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Speaker 1: R and B. Well Saja Valatic. We are the authority

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Speaker 1: R and B. R. Ladies and gentlemen, what's going on?

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Speaker 1: I am Tank, I'm J Valentine and this is the

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Speaker 1: R and B Money Podcast. The authority on all things

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Speaker 1: R and B is here today. He is he here

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Speaker 1: all days. One of the architects architects discography, uh eight

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Speaker 1: bar to sixteen far turnaround King and the Bridge brought

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Speaker 1: his own sound, gets own sound. Huh. The man got

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Speaker 1: his own sound. The man got his own sound man,

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Speaker 1: the man with messiment, oscillators and stuff to make these sounds.

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, we have in the building super producer

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Speaker 1: brother Mr Mike s like y'all having um. This clows

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Speaker 1: this claimed I mean, okay, I know these guys, so

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Speaker 1: they you can look him up. Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: You should know. Um. I thought I had a single

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Speaker 1: one day of hollis there. We'll start here and then

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Speaker 1: we'll go back right to I want to go right there.

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Speaker 1: I thought I had a single, you know, and uh

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Speaker 1: and Dreano came and picked me up and price something

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Speaker 1: for something. I think it was the band bands By. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he came and picked me up and he was like,

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Speaker 1: He's like, he's like, you do you do a smash records?

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, You're doing crazy records, brothers,

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Speaker 1: But we're going with this MC city record. I said,

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Speaker 1: what what are you? What are you talking about? He

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Speaker 1: sounds like like your record is not the one because

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Speaker 1: he sounds like just like we're going to City Record.

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Speaker 1: It's a spec it's just you played that. And I

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Speaker 1: was like, it's just smash. But I'm just sad. I

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Speaker 1: you like three of mine, You're gonna throw when you

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Speaker 1: learn with the difference between it's matching the hit. Bro

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Speaker 1: listen because it's a record that could be a hit,

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Speaker 1: but it's it's record that scene and you reminds me off. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I think nights how I used to beat it up?

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Speaker 1: We know, Oh my god, isn't it crazy how back

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Speaker 1: then beat it up was almost a problem. It was

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Speaker 1: almost it was you know what I'm saying, it was

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Speaker 1: having a problem for me. But you're not saying as

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Speaker 1: far as radio on platforms, you know it was from

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Speaker 1: then to now, I think that was racy. It was aggressive.

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Speaker 1: It's and you know, we and I remember Steve irt

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Speaker 1: was saying, like did that boy say beat it up?

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Speaker 1: Did he say? He was like, and he sang it,

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Speaker 1: and he was like, Okay, we're gonna play it. But

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Speaker 1: he's saying beat it up now like the nights I

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Speaker 1: used to beat it up. Yeah, I would do it again,

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Speaker 1: but I can't. Everything is different. Okay, let's talk about it,

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Speaker 1: because I would love to talk about we're gonna start normally.

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Speaker 1: We'd like to start at the beginning. We're gonna start here,

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Speaker 1: then we're gonna go back. Come on my city, let's

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Speaker 1: talk about it. So he was there, so I think

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Speaker 1: at that time, if you remember, Day was dealing with

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Speaker 1: something with his wife. He at the time, I said, David,

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Speaker 1: the marriage, like to stay whatever this is. And I

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Speaker 1: was cool, you know what I'm saying. And I was like,

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Speaker 1: first he was like, I don't know about that city

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Speaker 1: because we had other joint. I said, come on, Dave,

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Speaker 1: youve me a try, give me a try. So I

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Speaker 1: played for Gerald Busby was like, oh, not only are

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Speaker 1: we cutting this the first single before we cut it.

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Speaker 1: We was at west Lake on Bella. Not only are

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Speaker 1: the album done, like in two weeks. Gerald had got

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Speaker 1: his MS, The Child at Night, the whole not so

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Speaker 1: what I did. And I was just telling J. I said, Dave,

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Speaker 1: don't know what he had, he might have a single more,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what he's He's like, it's so fun.

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Speaker 1: They just moved it all the way out. And then

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Speaker 1: getting back to our constant conversation, we got to the bridge.

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Speaker 1: I said, Dave, you're going commission. He's like, yes, do,

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Speaker 1: let's do it. And we went commission. And you know what,

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Speaker 1: if you can talk about one twelve, I don't know

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Speaker 1: one who ever lost. They've never lost. You. You gained

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Speaker 1: the audience from that lesson. That's just what it is,

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Speaker 1: and take it still do. Army Records years later because

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Speaker 1: don't know if I want quick question, did you write

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Speaker 1: a different breed. No, no, it's just it's a different

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Speaker 1: breed of creative. I want to go back, Okay on

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Speaker 1: my drink champs rant Okay, I want to I want

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Speaker 1: to go, I want to back. I want to because no,

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Speaker 1: he dropped the jewels back away from and add another

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Speaker 1: person to the hundred percenters. I omitted you in that. No, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: no you Mike City is a hundred represent with smashes smash.

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Speaker 1: I'm no you should. You should be saluted and celebrated

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Speaker 1: for that, because that is not an easy feat. Like

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Speaker 1: there are guys who can really write songs, There are

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Speaker 1: guys who can do great beats, there are guys who

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Speaker 1: can produce Those are all separate things. But for someone

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Speaker 1: to be able to bring all that into one's an

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Speaker 1: amazing feat. Man, Because and and and so many people

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Speaker 1: have tried it are so many people have said they

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Speaker 1: were those guys and put their names on it, like

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Speaker 1: the ghost Everywhere, Ghosting everywhere guys. But it's the crazy

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Speaker 1: thing about it is, Like the crazy thing about it

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Speaker 1: is I never really it's all fun to me, right,

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Speaker 1: So I never really kind of know what I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: sitting down practicing, no court, I'm not even a keyboard player.

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Speaker 1: I came up playing the drums in the base. But

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Speaker 1: that principle allowed me to figure out whatever I need

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Speaker 1: So it's like I don't even sit down and just

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Speaker 1: So it's like just like even um working with Brandy.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get the Brandy to the beginning. Okay, North Carolina, Okay, Okay, Okay,

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Speaker 1: So what is the moment or when is the moment

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Speaker 1: I can I can produce, I can actually do this,

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Speaker 1: Like this is a this is a real thing. You

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Speaker 1: because for sure, I mean my father was in the Highway.

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Speaker 1: the Mike clause of Jordan, your brother played for the Mighty. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so it's you. Yeah, listen, listen. Somebody had a pistol. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you gotta respect. You gotta have any money you have.

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Speaker 1: Jola got the money. I can't play with them. Somebody

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Speaker 1: somebody had a piston Yeah, what somebody's gonna have your brother? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: my brother. You know what I'm saying. So it's like

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Speaker 1: and then like when I was young, like um, because

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Speaker 1: is cool with um, Like um, um, what's my man name?

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Speaker 1: not not Jeffrey m. The old lou Raws like Lou

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Speaker 1: people with lou Raws. Um Um Glenn Jones. Remember seeing

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Speaker 1: the Champain King. My brother went to high school. Like,

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Speaker 1: so this is all around me coming up anyway, right,

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Speaker 1: So all that energy is helping, you know, breathe, like

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. So it's like I hear and I hear bridges,

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Speaker 1: and I hear all that stuff, But I want to

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, I want to hear dream under it.

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Speaker 1: So that was my music was aggressive. It's still aggressive,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I never you know, it's like I

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Speaker 1: have an you don't have a deal for Sunshine at

423
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 1: this No, we didn't have a deal yet came into

424
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 1: the door. We have to straight up because no question

425
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,160
Speaker 1: because Anthony, Anthony was supposed to come first, because Anthony

426
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 1: had already had a deal before Hamilton. You know what

427
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 1: I'm You're supposed to come first. That record went so crazy.

428
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,679
Speaker 1: It was out in l A a whole year. Remember

429
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: before it came out, everybody in l A new the record.

430
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 1: It was playing that praise those in different club so

431
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 1: we kind of seated it a whole year before it

432
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 1: came out. So it's crazy because it's like after Karl

433
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 1: came out, that's when I got with Day, But I

434
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 1: had already had Sunshine in the can, just sitting there

435
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 1: the whole time, just waiting, just waiting a turn everything.

436
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 1: So it's like it's like everything happened, but you gotta

437
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 1: be prepared when it happened everything, And for me, I

438
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 1: was like, man, I know what it's like not to have,

439
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna be I'm gonna be prepared. So my sessions.

440
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 1: You know, you can't be up in here, no, and

441
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: then you ain't gonna be a paining wasting the time.

442
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 1: We gotta get it the work done. We're gonna have fun,

443
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 1: but we're gonna get the work done. I gotta be

444
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 1: a finisher now that I'm in the game right now,

445
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 1: I gotta be a finisher. We gotta get it done.

446
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: And we got And that's what mindset, because that's what

447
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: you know, We've we've talked about this, you know, many

448
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 1: times on the podcast at this point, like that's truly

449
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: what a producer is. I gotta be finished. We gotta

450
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 1: we gotta get finished. We gotta get these vocals out.

451
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,959
Speaker 1: We gotta do this that in the third and I mean,

452
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 1: I'm singing on Sunshine, I'm a lot because I had

453
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: to get her motivated to go on, let's go, let's go,

454
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 1: let's get in the move, let's go, and you know,

455
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 1: you push those right buttons and you get it to

456
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: go and everything. And it was like a lot of

457
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 1: female some female artists who were big then they wanted

458
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: and labels wanted to get that record. He hell, I

459
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,439
Speaker 1: was like, no, I can't do her. Like they were

460
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 1: trying to take the record, and they was trying to

461
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: take that. Yeah, they were trying to take the record.

462
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: They're trying to take the record. Was like, no, I

463
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 1: can't do that. And you know it was heard it

464
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 1: all before. Um from an experience you might have had

465
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: in the DC, Maryland, Virginia area. I go even deeper.

466
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: I know something I knew her old boyfriend. We didn't

467
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 1: have to reach for the story we talk. I pulled

468
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 1: the whole thing. But I'm talking about I'm talking about musically, No, yes,

469
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: go go without a question, a question, without without a question.

470
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 1: There's a large percentage of go go and hurt because

471
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 1: asked swing. When you hear the go go version, I've

472
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 1: heard it all before. Yeah, that's without a question, without

473
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: a question. I wanted that. I wanted I wanted that

474
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: go work, no question from Scott and not argue to

475
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: hot in here with Nellie. It's just work, work and

476
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 1: do something to you when that when that's man, listen,

477
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,719
Speaker 1: rest in peace of my man. Grandmaster Slice. He had

478
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: one of those. He had that beat on a bat tape.

479
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 1: He had lect your slide joint back in the day,

480
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: and it went crazy and he ended up being on

481
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: a drive and he had that beating the B tape

482
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 1: and he he reminded me of it. He was like, yeah,

483
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 1: like I did always like the record. I was like,

484
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 1: he's like, what you're gonna do it? I said, I

485
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: give me a Minut'm gonna playing for Sunshine. I see

486
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: if she liked it. So I played it for and

487
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: obviously she was just coming from living in d C.

488
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: She was like, yeah, city, let's do that. So I

489
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, I want to do her

490
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: all before and I knew her story because it dude

491
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: that she was with. So the first day you meet,

492
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: her and Pinky were sitting there and we came up

493
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 1: the hook. Pinky don't show up to the session the

494
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: next day. That's why she's not that she's a writer,

495
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: but she probably have had more. But everything happened for

496
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,479
Speaker 1: a reason. So we got that together and next thing,

497
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 1: you know, I was like, I didn't know. I wish

498
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: it was gonna jump off. I knew her that before.

499
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: It had a winning spirit. The song just had a

500
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: it had it had a spiritual like you can't hear

501
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: that and not react, and and and and if you're

502
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: a woman, they're gonna, they're gonna that's gonna resonate with women.

503
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: Heard it all before and everything, you know, so we

504
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: we we had and everything, and I'll never forget. We

505
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: was in New York and meet one time and me

506
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 1: a tough week. I had to go get a charge

507
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 1: of something. When I came out the store and Jazzy

508
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: Joyce was playing it a tough look that me. He said,

509
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: it's about to be a problem. He said, New York

510
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 1: is gonna go crazy with this record. He said. He said,

511
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 1: I knew it's crazy here in the studio, but hearing

512
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: the blast not of New York speakers, I know what

513
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: this is and it's like just so crazy. It was

514
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 1: crazy because I remember D from because once I had

515
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 1: had a relationship with the Rough Light. D call me, No,

516
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: why called me? He said, you know, um, just gonna

517
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: get on this remix. You know what I'm saying, hold

518
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: on before the sun shone joint. And I'm thinking, like,

519
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: wait a minute, I think Fox he supposed to be

520
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 1: on the remix of that. You know what I'm saying

521
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: Like that, We had talked about team today, We had

522
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: talked about it. Yos put his own remix out. He

523
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: just put his and how that he said was playing

524
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: his remix. He was like and he when I saw

525
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: He's like, City, I had to what you expect? I

526
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: had to, you see, how to beat this movie? I

527
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: just I mean that's what I do. So was Sunshine

528
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: through your production company? No, it was it was through

529
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: Um Sparking Um and Chris Dawley. I grew up with

530
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: Chris like trip, like like a lot of relationships with

531
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: people I went to school with. I was in fifth

532
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: grade with Chris, Like, we go back to that, you

533
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Didn't he always start? It wasn't

534
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: my deal. I always thought that was through you deal

535
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: with Mark Spark and Chris Dawley soul Like, you know

536
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So, um, yeah, we go back. And

537
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: then he started, he got and he started managing like

538
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: nicest mooth and he got older and everything, and obviously

539
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: sparked this shoot from Salt Pepper. So like you know,

540
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: with with with with all that stuff, Spark was just

541
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: showing me through the through the ropes somemember one time

542
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: weeks in New York recording and he was like, Um,

543
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: see City called me, see you see you? We were

544
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: going to l A. I'm like what he said, yeah,

545
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: we're gonna. We hopped on the t W A t

546
00:29:51,480 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: W the t W at night listen. We app. I said, Yo,

547
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: ain't got no call. He's like, are We're gonna get

548
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: some clothes? We get there. So we went up. We

549
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: was uptown. We know, we got some like boxers, socks

550
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: and all types of stuff to go to l A.

551
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: We get some clothes, we get there, we get here.

552
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: I think we go to Bedlely Center where we get

553
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: some clothes, and we get here. We go to Enterprise Studio.

554
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: We just touching down. Remember Dana Dane. He's like, yo,

555
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,719
Speaker 1: He's like, took me the fat burgers, like Dana all

556
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: my marrier. He's like, you don't even say my way around.

557
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: I had been here before, Like my first time here

558
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: was back in the day with Malik Levy when I'm

559
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: supposed to do the deal with Capital A G and everything.

560
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: But I hadn't really started to be going to studios

561
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: and everything yet, you know. But my whole journey is crazy,

562
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: like like honestly, when I got when I when I

563
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: first came to l A. The next day, I met

564
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: Aaliyah and Brandy at the Hollywood Roosevelt on on a

565
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: whim just I was standing there and the was downstairs

566
00:30:55,240 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: doing something on a whim right, didn't at night, I

567
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: end up The first people I met was probably Ian

568
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: Raining and Regina King. I'm end up. I end up

569
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: at their house. The first night I'm literally in l A.

570
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: I Don'm like, okay, you know, just touching down with people.

571
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: And then the next day, I mean with ras like

572
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: these these people I just know since it's like ninety five,

573
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, And I first came up,

574
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: I first came to l A. The first time I

575
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: came to l A is when the Chargers in the

576
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: forty nine playing in the super Bowl that weekend, whatever

577
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: weekend that was, whatever weekend it was. I mean it was,

578
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: you know, when the nine is one, we want a

579
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: super Bowl because I see, no, no, this is no

580
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: kind of central egoeah yeah yeah, yeah yea. So you know,

581
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: like just just the whole just the whole experience and everything,

582
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: and it's like, you know, but I always just I

583
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: try to have fun and everything because it's like it's

584
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,080
Speaker 1: a blessing. Man, we ain't gonna be It's so me

585
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: talented people they don't know where they're starting everything, but

586
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: the one thing you will you gotta do. If you

587
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: don't put in the word, you're gonna start going backwards.

588
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: So let's go back into something you said. You said,

589
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: you said you got paid for I wish, but you

590
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: kept all of your publishing. Yes, I did, And so

591
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: back in those that puff me a person to check.

592
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: So back in back in those days, people are even

593
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: labels for that matter, or you know, the the bite

594
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: out of the publishing. It was a real thing. It

595
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: was a real thing, you know what I'm saying, And

596
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: trying to hold on and maintain that it was a

597
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: fight for your life. Here's here, here's what my blessing was.

598
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: Though I used to cut hair, so I didn't have

599
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: to do that record, meaning what meaning I go back

600
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: cut hair and just do what I got a gig. Yeah,

601
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,239
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it's like and um

602
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: and hocking tough. They ushered me through and everything, and

603
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: they basically said, um, he's gonna give me on the

604
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: publish and if he don't get a check for us,

605
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: what is it. We're gonna take the record some wor else.

606
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: But but I didn't me and Carl was already cool

607
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: and it was so that wasn't gonna happen. But but

608
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: PUFF respected that though, and he was like, you know what,

609
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: he wrote a personal check out of his own thing.

610
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: I should have took it. We didn't have camera phone

611
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,959
Speaker 1: back then, but he wrote me a personal check back then,

612
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And I remember the first

613
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: thing I did. You know, back then, I went and

614
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: bought some more like drums, Like I was like, let

615
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: me get some more drums and sample drums because as

616
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: a producer you always want to, you always wanted to.

617
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: You did with your first check. I didn't spend the

618
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: office on it. But I M but look, you know,

619
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: but back then, put back then, it gave him something

620
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: more to right about me? Back what right? The real

621
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: the Low and Heart ld ones on the GS three

622
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: hundred Latinum edition Black Old Black floating through l A man,

623
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: that's how it helped. I pulled up to the strip clubs.

624
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: Oh me but man, and I knew. I knew it

625
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 1: went from just getting on the album to oh, this

626
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: record is a real record. Right. So then I remember

627
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: one time I had caught the bus back to Jersey,

628
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: my mom and Dad's living down in South Jersey. Um

629
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: and they called me back up to Daddy's asset the

630
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 1: bus bus from where to where? From port authority? Yeah no, no, no, no,

631
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: what happened? Yeah, yeah no. And this is when we're

632
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: still getting everything together for the album. I'm catching it

633
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 1: back to Jersey. But by then I get a call

634
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: from I think the A and R Bobby Springsteen, and

635
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: somebody's like, how you come back there? You're gonna through

636
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: an impromptu listening party for Carl. I catched the bus

637
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: right back, get a hotel room up there. So I

638
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: get up there, and that's not That's when it really

639
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 1: became real to me because I remember, um remember jay

640
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: Z pulling me to the side. He was like, Yo,

641
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: this record feel like when I was when I was

642
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: a young and rotten with my mom and a bus,

643
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: Like this is giving me the stop to you right now,

644
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I was like, and you

645
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: know this is like uh n j D. This is

646
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: right in the middle of jay I mean not that

647
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: that slowed down, but this is right in the middle.

648
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, this is you know what I'm saying.

649
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, And then the next thing, you know,

650
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: they getting everything together and I think they were going

651
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: to come with emotional first. Who did emotional Mario? Yeah,

652
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: you hear, Yeah, there's Cody emotional first. And then he

653
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: was doing the sampler and everything, and it was like

654
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: they switched it up at the last minute. Now by

655
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: this time, I'm living in l A. By Tom Carl

656
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: really comes out right. So I remember, Um, I had

657
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: met Jilil White. Yeah, my god, yeah, and he and

658
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: he and he verified. So Jelil came and I said,

659
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: you lit, I'm working to the jail, I said, with Carl,

660
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 1: and Carl was, I said, but he's on a bad boy.

661
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: I said, I think it's gonna jump off and everything.

662
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: So I gave him the sampler. He went on the

663
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: ski trip when he because I never get hit me.

664
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: When by time he got back from the ski trip,

665
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: all here in the radios, I wish and he hit me.

666
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: He was like, yo, so I'm listening to the thing

667
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 1: and you're telling me it's gonna be all right. And

668
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: by time I get back from the ski trip, it

669
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: consumed the radio. And it's like even with Big with

670
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: Big John I met, I met with John. Um I

671
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: think I when I say, um, how can I be

672
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: down on one of those conferences in Miami a year

673
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: before UM Carl came and I told him, I said,

674
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: I didn't even know who he was. I just happened

675
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 1: to sit next to him at the conference. I was like,

676
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: and they said he's a publisher. I say, I said, Yo, man,

677
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 1: you know what I said. I don't. I don't think

678
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 1: I'm ready for a publishing right now. I said, I

679
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: just did a record on Puff label. Gonna come on

680
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: next year, but I don't think I'm ready for it

681
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 1: yet and everything. But you know, when I'm ready, I

682
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: think i'll be able Hot Tree. So next year came

683
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: wrong with vig John. He said, Yo, I can't believe

684
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: you told me last year you did this record. He said,

685
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: I can't believe. He was like, I'm not ready, but

686
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: it just did you do your first deal with John? No,

687
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: I actually did my first deal with UM with Warner

688
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: because John, I'm supposed to actually go to Warner. He

689
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: was actually supposed to go to Warner because he and

690
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: my buddy he kind of he and Art Brandy Project

691
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 1: and y'all would do that. Yeah, people that people that

692
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: people are ninety people didn't know, but people don't know

693
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: how many projects he's been instrumental in UM from even

694
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: an a and arsen he's known as like the the

695
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: greatest publisher. That's that is what Big John is. No,

696
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 1: but people don't realize he's behind major projects. From an arsense,

697
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 1: he is and UM and it's like, um, I remember

698
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: one day we had a conversation. He said, City, write

699
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: me something happy for Brandy. Brandy meeds something happy. Just

700
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: give me something happy and everything. And that's how I

701
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: got full Moon. I mean I was I said, okay,

702
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: what what kind of doing everything? And I just didn't

703
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: know if I wasn't there cooking and I just started so, um,

704
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: I wrote it. But but that didn't just come to me.

705
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: It took me two weeks. Right there, record let me

706
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 1: let me go in so so we so we're doing that, right,

707
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: I'm doing that and I'm working on the track. And

708
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: she went to the Beverly Center. I want to say

709
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: we was at the City used to be question, it's

710
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: not like that you might need just nine yeah, she said,

711
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: sim since since All Star Weekend when Being Meth was

712
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: throwing hundreds of said in the same since thence since

713
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: probably two thousand three. That was like the last time

714
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: it was cracking, cracking, cracking when being math made it

715
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: rain like it was the strip club at Beverly Center.

716
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,439
Speaker 1: I never seen anything like that in my life. I'm sorry,

717
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: it's all good. So she went. So she went to um,

718
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,760
Speaker 1: she went to Beverly Center and I had it going everything,

719
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,959
Speaker 1: so I thought she came back. I had went to booth,

720
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 1: you know, do a little like dim or than. I

721
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: ain't even gonna So she was like she came back.

722
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, she she when she gets

723
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: to work more, it's like it's worked more. She's not

724
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: playing around. She'd belone to the booth. She knocked out

725
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 1: the hook and I was like, I'll work on it.

726
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: So for two weeks I worked on it because I

727
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: didn't want to. You know, she was coming off and

728
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 1: never say never. I wanted to make sure I had

729
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: it right. So we got it done. It was crazy,

730
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: and then we had other joints done. And the next thing,

731
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: you know, when the time for her album came wrong,

732
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: they was taking all these songs off the record, and

733
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 1: they was trying to take everything off the record right,

734
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: and even full Moon. Now I have other people want

735
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: to buy a full Moon. What is Brandy? She's different,

736
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: He's different. So she does a gangster move. She calls

737
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: a meeting and she names the album full Moon, just

738
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: so they can't take this play with the record I love.

739
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: Named the album full Moon so they can't take it

740
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: off of She's like, I had enough. Yeah, she named

741
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 1: the full Moon record. What a record? You know what

742
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So and I'll say that like, um, just

743
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: working on her. It just lets you know, like this

744
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: level said you know what I'm saying, like, because it's

745
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: all levels, like like crawls a crooner crawls, like you

746
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. He's like, uh, that King Cole,

747
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: he pronounces every world clear and everything. I mean, John,

748
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: letend come from Carls know what I'm saying. Thomas walked Yeah, yeah,

749
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: you know we're not gonna lit the first I missed

750
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 1: the first time because he got he got into the

751
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: groove of um, I think he got into the group

752
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: with Will I Am and whoever else. They finished it,

753
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: but ka people, John threwe we chopped it up for

754
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: the first time. We're supposed to work. But yeah, he

755
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: walked on. He can from right, and then you know

756
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: you have Dave Well, David's commissioning though I know what

757
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: when he when he went there, like Davids, you know

758
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: even know what that is. Brandy is an alien. It's

759
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: something else happening. No, seriously, like it's it's something else.

760
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 1: It prepares you for anything because it's like or or that. Yeah,

761
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: because because because you get so scruwed, he'd be like, yeah,

762
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 1: I don't want to do it, un that's it's on this.

763
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 1: But you know, so it prepares you and our work

764
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: ethic and it just it prepares you, like you know,

765
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 1: it's like a little susting. Like she would do a

766
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: hundred a hundred tracks of vocals and then say she

767
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: don't like the intonation or something, and I already choke

768
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: her out because you know, we didn't spend three hours

769
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: doing that, and she's like, no, I want to do

770
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 1: all over and then she hit you with the the city.

771
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: It's my it's my voice, star, it's my it's my instrument.

772
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: I know, and I gotta respect that because it's like,

773
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: I mean, she's been putting four and five ammaz on

774
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: the board since she was seventeen eighteen, so you got

775
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like she'd give and take

776
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: a little bit but I always got you. Speaking of which,

777
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: which they did the show and they did the hurt

778
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: Um whatever it show. It seems like it was the

779
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: hottest day ever in Calabasa. I don't know what was

780
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: going on to day when she did her own TV show,

781
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: when she when she was on Pregnance a RAI, it

782
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 1: felt like the sun was it felt like the equator.

783
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened that day, but you know

784
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like even that album, it would platinum,

785
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: but it got it kind of got cut short because

786
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 1: she couldn't do all the promotional run from everything. But no,

787
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 1: I mean like she raised a whole generation of singers

788
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: for sure. What do you feel like as ship, producer, songwriter?

789
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: Do you feel like I wish was was the breaking

790
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,760
Speaker 1: point for you? For sure? Where you felt like because

791
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,959
Speaker 1: you would you just said you were you were hip hop,

792
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 1: That's where you were going. But the thing about it

793
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: is it's still in my production, like even that record.

794
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: That's why I feel like that, But you're able to

795
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: do it. From a bottom standpoint, they let me do it.

796
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, they let me. Oh they're gonna let me

797
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,439
Speaker 1: do this? You mean I could, really I could really

798
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: put like I could get on some Lutanian Lutheran like

799
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: you know what bridges, let's get technical. Is it four

800
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: bar loops, eight bar loops or six teen bar loops?

801
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: It depends. It depends because like you know how when

802
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 1: you go on the loops, when you do them, you

803
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 1: might want to ask something here, ask something there, So

804
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: it depends. You might want the base to turn around,

805
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, make it feel different, or

806
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: you want to invert in everything. So it depends. But

807
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: it felt like to me from a technical standpoint that

808
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: you would because what I would do the same as

809
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 1: you is I would do either a fully blown out

810
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: eight or a fully blown out six teams and then

811
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: you start scaling back, start scaling back, and then at

812
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 1: bill pieces and all of these things. And then what

813
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: I stole from Davante was I would make certain things

814
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: happen in a certain part of the song that would

815
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: never happen to the little air candy that right, is

816
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: it gonna do? To gain we got we gotta want?

817
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,280
Speaker 1: Like I stole that from Davante. But you I felt

818
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: like like the reason why I really zoned in on

819
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: you and your production is because it was banging so crazy.

820
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: It was almost like Dr Dre doing R and B music, Like,

821
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: maybe that's why that's why, because it is bang and

822
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: even at that though, even after that's why the producer

823
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,240
Speaker 1: community is so close knit. Right, even after I already

824
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 1: had hit records, I go check, I'm sitting Dre with

825
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: Slobby some drums. He'd be like, slow with that, you

826
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, even after because he knew that's

827
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: what I was on a loss, super you know what

828
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:48,280
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You made jay Z have memories of the childhood.

829
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: He told me that I couldn't believe that Right's personal checks,

830
00:45:53,719 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: personal checks of his nation's bank account. Dr Right just

831
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: casually slies you drums. Let me see what you can do. Yeah,

832
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: because because I think you're great, because he's not slide

833
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: drum sounds just you yeah, you know, you know, it's

834
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: just to be the vibe and everything. But it's like,

835
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: and it's funny because rest in peace, um um your

836
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: man who roll them hit for for Leah static mad Right.

837
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 1: I had that contagiously before Staddy. I didn't know what

838
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: to do with it. I'm sure what's still on my

839
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: ru I mean, mom, I had that beat before he

840
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: wrote that record. Wow, it just it wasn't wasn't that

841
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: wasn't my awesome. So so were you at one point

842
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: a higher gun from that side as far as as

843
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: as just your pin just your lyrics, because I did.

844
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: I never knew that. I always looked at you as

845
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 1: Mike City does Mike City Records. I never looked at

846
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: it like, oh Dr Dre, DJ Quick whoever uh producer

847
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: is sending Mike City Records to right top line too.

848
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: Here's the thing when you when you're around greatness. The

849
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: good thing about when nice to do all that stuff.

850
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: When I go on Dre, I ain't got to produce.

851
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: You got Drey and you got all these right right,

852
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: so almost relaxed for real, you know what I'm saying.

853
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: I could write just all right cool, So end up

854
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: writing on the game record on Baby, don't worry about it.

855
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be right here. That was That was game

856
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,240
Speaker 1: featuring Brandy first we got married on at the last minute.

857
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 1: M that was gave you know what I'm saying. So

858
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: it was like, I show up what we're doing because

859
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 1: it's the community. Dr Dre ain't gotta come here and

860
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: producing and and I'm gonna learn something. I'm gonna see

861
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: what you How are you tweaking? I told him last week,

862
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: I'm trying to come over there and see and tweak

863
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: something so I could because I'm learning. That's what we do.

864
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 1: He was the first person whose house I went to.

865
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: You can't I'm about to tell your story about on

866
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: him though, that had an SSL board. No it was,

867
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: it wasn't it was baby face had it's the um,

868
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:19,919
Speaker 1: it was the euphonics. It was the old many many,

869
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: it was euphonics. You had a big in your house here.

870
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: But here's its crazy though, this is crazy, so look,

871
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: take take care to catch a flight. One day when

872
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,320
Speaker 1: he was cutting the record. He literally shows up on

873
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: the way to the airport and cut a record in

874
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: the hour, and I mean like top the bottom, Like yeah,

875
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: he's antien too. But I knew that though, because you

876
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: remember I used to stick my head in sometime and

877
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: um the underdogs, and I always would tell I told

878
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: him I was like Dawkins and take out there. The

879
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: placements went up went up, because are you hearing that?

880
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: When artists hearing that, even if they can't get to

881
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 1: that level, they'd be like, I need to try to

882
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: get to that level. I want that recorded, great selling point,

883
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 1: thank you. I mean it might have been could have

884
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 1: been smack. I'm just saying because I saw it left

885
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: and right, ste Evils there there you had a machine

886
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: of umm boom boom boom. I mean, I mean, you

887
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I mean, I saw it. So

888
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: another piece that you spoke about earlier that we didn't

889
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: get to, that we haven't gotten to yet is not

890
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: only are you doing you know, records hit records for artists,

891
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,919
Speaker 1: there's also a space that you know which is new

892
00:49:56,120 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: to most songwriters and producers, which is the TV and

893
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 1: film side. Yeah, you know what I mean, I got it.

894
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: I got my first taste of that working with the

895
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: Underdogs doing dream Girls. I was like my first like

896
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: intro to like you like and that was a different

897
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: kind of dog that was like that was like zero

898
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: to a hundred, you know what I'm saying. There was

899
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: no intro to prepare you for dream Girls, which became

900
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: like a year process. Right, But can you can you

901
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: speak to even making the decision to even go in

902
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: that direction, to even do that, like what prompted that, Well,

903
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: we kind of talked about before, like basically you're kind

904
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: of lasting more. Heagans. Label started starting to R and B. Right,

905
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: we don't want to do this in the third. Just

906
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 1: then the third I was like, I found somebody to

907
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: use my services. Right, I don't care what want me.

908
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm blessed. I don't went platinum. I have

909
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 1: had no one records and you know this that in

910
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: the third, I don't need to chase that, you know

911
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I just want to be comfortable and

912
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: doing doing, have fun doing and everything. So a TV

913
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: and film want to rock with me and what I

914
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: do and everything, so be it. I get to just

915
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 1: go have fun and create. And when y'all want to

916
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: come back and see me, y'all want to hollerand what

917
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:15,879
Speaker 1: I do Other than that, I'm at the gym where

918
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 1: I'm walking. I'm trying to preserve myself, you know what

919
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So I'm trying lutive. If you can tell

920
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 1: the producers and writers, it depends. Now it's a steady grind,

921
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 1: So that could be if you do a lot, it

922
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: could be looking at it, or if you if you

923
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: get into the right agencies, there's actually more lucrative than records.

924
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 1: Because some agencies when you're doing um ads and different

925
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: stuff depending on who you get with, it's like a budget,

926
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 1: like like umum budget, you're saying, because they're paying off

927
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: of that and everything, so you gotta ride the way.

928
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: But it's like I could have every day and I

929
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: do this down the third like you know, Autumn fifty

930
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 1: shows you hear me on if you're hearing something, you

931
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: feel like some boom back whatever might be me might

932
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: be and you say you have a specific agency that

933
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 1: represents you for no or not, it's just your relationships,

934
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: my relationships if I give the agency and we're talking

935
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: right to be cool, But yeah, I know I got

936
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: I gotta um. I just did a theme song for

937
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: a Disney thing on Munchlands character they just released last week.

938
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: I did that with a company and hopefully that go

939
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: big and everything. I'm spitting bars and everything. But the

940
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 1: thing about it though is that's like if you could sing,

941
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: of course you can spit a bar. I mean like

942
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 1: not being it's not even discrediting rappers. You know, how

943
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: hardest you know, people sing thank you like people don't

944
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: realize how hard it is to sing and sing on

945
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: thank you city, you know, it's just not being funny,

946
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: thank you, because what I'd be trying to tell Ja

947
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 1: is he continues to hate on the original, you know,

948
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 1: on my origin SMC Hurricane. You know what I'm saying.

949
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 1: He hates on that, And I tell him because I

950
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: was able to wrap so good, you know, the way

951
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: you could translate it and can translated into R and

952
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 1: B and then I'm able to get my wrap off sometimes.

953
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 1: I was working on some of the TV and film

954
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: a few years ago. They was gonna do a reboot

955
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 1: of of m New York Undercover something like that, and um,

956
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 1: I wasn't there with your little proje Luke, I know

957
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 1: about and Jasmine and I was saw in the jas

958
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: In mind because I know jas In mom from church

959
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:29,439
Speaker 1: when I was going up and you know my brother.

960
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: So she's like, Mike talked to Jasmine try to get

961
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: a motivated to doing something. I was like, look, I said,

962
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: jas what you're doing? And She's like, And I think

963
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 1: jasm just probably felt like she didn't know where she

964
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 1: fitting and she went through what I went through. Yeah,

965
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: I don't know what she fitting, what's going on everything,

966
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 1: But I knew one thing though, I knew our c

967
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 1: a wasn't dropping her because she's a generational talent. They

968
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: was gonna wait for whenever the album got ready, because

969
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 1: there's some people that got it, and she just got

970
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: something else. Like it's just specially she sounded, and when

971
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 1: she was fourteen, she sounded like she do now. Like

972
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,879
Speaker 1: I'm sure she's more season now, but I can't really

973
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: tell because she had it all that day, you know

974
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like one of her demos, just like

975
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: she had it. She literally had it all together. Let

976
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 1: me tell you how ill she at the beginning. I

977
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: was in London one time doing I was doing some work.

978
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: I'm just walking down the hall got a lot of

979
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: London flux on you too, because you're not be going

980
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 1: with doing house music and different stuff, you know. I'm like,

981
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: I catch your fibe right right. So I'm here somebody

982
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: walking down the hallway from a distance crazy and I'm

983
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:41,399
Speaker 1: I listened to that. This is a world class singer

984
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: because I can hear it from fifty ft away. It's Jasmine.

985
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: I'm working, like Chaz, what's good? She's like, oh, she said,

986
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 1: I'm doing a promo tourn every day, but like this

987
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,800
Speaker 1: is fifty this is down the Hall. I'm hearing somebody

988
00:54:55,880 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: mumbling something. I'm like, whoever, that is a problem. I

989
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 1: know what it is. I heard some people at the

990
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 1: songwriting camp. That's a problem. That's why I think I

991
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: think we got a shot. But you know what I'm saying, like,

992
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: I just feel like if they want to get the lessons,

993
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 1: I'm here for. But you know, if the labels want to,

994
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 1: you know, they gotta they gotta, um, hey for our

995
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: expertise to They got invested. You can't play around with that.

996
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: I just we've lived life. I prayed that their nurtured. Yeah,

997
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: my my own selfish love of R and B. Like,

998
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: I pray that they're nurtured. The love R and B. Man,

999
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: I'm just saying from the from the just from the

1000
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: it's in your blood though anyway, the cultural sense of

1001
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: you know, was being delivered because yeah, it's it's some

1002
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: good songs out there. Um, it's some it's some good

1003
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: artists out there, but those generational talents between what they

1004
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: need to be, they need to be nurtured because they

1005
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: you know, they don't come around and you just can't

1006
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 1: just microwave them and just throw them out there. It's

1007
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 1: like things have to happen. Things have to be developed.

1008
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:12,720
Speaker 1: Jasmine needed to be developed, her need to be from Gabby.

1009
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 1: He's a development incredible you know what I'm saying, Like

1010
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: that is but the keys being dropped with those same

1011
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 1: same songs, same so it had to be developed, though

1012
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:27,240
Speaker 1: it had you know, I mean, like it just wouldn't

1013
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: have hit the same way. Like it's man, they give up,

1014
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: remember that quick. I heard that, Donnyanna. I said, Alicia

1015
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 1: keys and and Um Schaeffer, who's neo were two words,

1016
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: two of the worst artists in each time. You know,

1017
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. He wasn't up in the tunnel.

1018
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 1: He wasn't up in the church when everything was going

1019
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You know, he wasn't He

1020
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 1: wasn't there when takes six first came out traveling the van.

1021
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: You know what's going around. You know what I'm saying.

1022
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:52,879
Speaker 1: I was in. I was in high school. I mean,

1023
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: commission came in singing my high school. I was in.

1024
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,439
Speaker 1: The Other point that I make is that we don't

1025
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: have we don't have any true gatekeepers in those offices.

1026
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 1: We don't And is that by design? No think about it.

1027
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 1: When is the last time you. Mike City super Producer said, Hey,

1028
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 1: I'd love to be um head A and r VP

1029
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: at your label and help you develop your army talent.

1030
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: I'm saying anybody on the podcast that yes, y'all know

1031
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: what it is. Y'all know what it is. Y'all know

1032
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 1: what it is. Yeah, that's what if y'all want to

1033
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: get it right, you listen, If y'all want to get

1034
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 1: it right, we'll have it right because because production styles change,

1035
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: so if it varies, so whether you got trapp, aren't

1036
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 1: trapped or whatever we was doing or whatever, But that's

1037
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: that sound and that cohesive singing and everything. A field

1038
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: of us really know what we're doing with some understanding.

1039
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: A few of us need to do the work. We've

1040
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 1: already put in the work. We have the information we

1041
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: have to get in position for our work to work

1042
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: for us, that's the truth, and to help build the

1043
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: genre back to glory. That's the only way, because it's

1044
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 1: going to work because you're right, because not that's not

1045
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 1: that it's necessary. But I'm most Anais can't jump into

1046
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 1: how many with us things they don't know it. They

1047
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 1: just mean I actually think it is necessary. I'm going

1048
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to I'm going to do to get it

1049
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: back right back, because to fight them, talk to talk

1050
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: every every person in there they did right sing play,

1051
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, up and up into the

1052
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: founder who was a song the A and R who

1053
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 1: was smokey rock, smoky like. At some point somebody got

1054
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: to be up there with some understanding listening, coming in singing.

1055
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 1: Somebody should be able to harmonized with Tank at least. Yeah,

1056
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: it shouldn't be a whole label trying to do R

1057
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 1: and B with no R and B singer, songwriters and

1058
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 1: producers involved. It can't be. It can't be. Listen, I'm

1059
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: with you because you gotta touch down. You gotta touch

1060
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 1: down with the people and everything. And that's honestly why

1061
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 1: as a producer all those are I mean, I'll work

1062
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 1: with you, you know, Leylon, because they know they get them.

1063
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: They you know what I'm saying. Um Me and music

1064
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: song never came out. But when I first been to

1065
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 1: Music Music, like do you need to do album? The

1066
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 1: first thing he said was like, why don't you do album?

1067
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: I was like, I gave my songs away. That's like,

1068
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 1: I mean, this is my calling right now to do

1069
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 1: what I'm doing. But it's like somebody got to be

1070
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 1: able to understand that, or or the real gifted artists

1071
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 1: gonna look at the beat meager producer like, uh, go ahead,

1072
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 1: because you gotta have some type of understanding and to

1073
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: taking the top level I've seen in my own two

1074
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 1: wise if I go peep my head on the DRE.

1075
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 1: I made a poster about with me, him and Bluetooth before.

1076
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: I like this new group because I know he understand

1077
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 1: can sing something he's saying better than people. Probably no,

1078
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 1: he not, but he understands where the noting things know

1079
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:28,919
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. There's a reason why he's been able

1080
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 1: to do what he might be shy by it. He's

1081
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: never going to release a singing record, but he knows

1082
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 1: more about notes than people think. He'll sit down and

1083
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 1: play at the po and You've be like, you've been practicing,

1084
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it's like like that

1085
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 1: you know exactly. So it's like, you know, where's that

1086
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 1: in the labels? Because honestly, I wasn't seeing that what

1087
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 1: I was doing. No, no, that when I was on

1088
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 1: the Yeah, yeah, but you had a chance to do it. Yeah,

1089
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 1: But been I've been. I've been that artist that has

1090
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 1: asked an, are you ever wrote a song before? Not

1091
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 1: even know it is? But no, but I'm talking about

1092
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 1: when it get when it get dirty. We're having a

1093
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 1: conversation about this song, ain't it? And I'm like, you

1094
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 1: wrote what? Have you written one before? Have you written anything?

1095
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 1: Because you need to have a placement because you know,

1096
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:26,959
Speaker 1: you know what you know. No, I'm just asking because

1097
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 1: you're telling me did you break dance? Did you dj? Like?

1098
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 1: What did you do something in this industry that was creative?

1099
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 1: And now y'all see why do more music for TV

1100
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 1: and filming these days? Yeah, but I don't let you

1101
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 1: do what you do. But but I'm gonna tell you

1102
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 1: this though I'm not saying, I'm not saying you're selfish.

1103
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is that what I'm saying is

1104
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 1: that you have the gift and the information and relationships.

1105
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 1: I'm not and the relationships, and they're tucked away, hiding

1106
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 1: in your vault. And while we're screaming for more heads

1107
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 1: and more executives and more people with that information to

1108
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: be in charge of that musical space to help us

1109
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 1: get us, get it, get it back, You're somewhere doing

1110
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: TV and enjoying yourself, enjoying it through your TV and film,

1111
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 1: feed your family. I get it, A gautiful family man.

1112
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 1: You know, I love it. I love I respect it.

1113
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 1: But R and B's greatness and glory, it's tied in

1114
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:49,919
Speaker 1: to the people who do it, who do it, yeah,

1115
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 1: and who've done it and who have done it on

1116
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 1: a level you are. You are necessary in that space.

1117
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 1: What you do on the on the drink chat, that's

1118
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: profound though. Are they afraid of our love? That's profound though,

1119
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:11,440
Speaker 1: because top down, you know, what I'm saying is like

1120
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 1: I mean, not being funny like you said, just just

1121
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 1: the relationships to be like, you know, just the people

1122
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 1: I can just get to, yeah, and what I do

1123
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 1: and what I knowed to do. You would think they

1124
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 1: would be like, you know what, he help us get

1125
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,919
Speaker 1: right if we want to spend and that they don't

1126
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 1: they want to dump down. I feel like I think

1127
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 1: they are afraid of our love. We're not We're not right.

1128
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 1: So ultimately there's something that Tank and I have been

1129
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:51,919
Speaker 1: been talking about behind closed doors about what we see

1130
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 1: and what and what I believe is that we should

1131
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 1: all be doing this mhm. We all need to become

1132
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 1: partners with each other in some form of fashion. We

1133
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 1: need to become partners with the artists. We need to

1134
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 1: become partners with the writers. We need to become partners.

1135
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 1: It's these things we need to create a strength in

1136
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 1: numbers where it's like, hey man, I'm not trying to

1137
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 1: take from you, I'm trying to collaborate with you and

1138
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 1: build with you, and we split profits. We figure it

1139
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 1: out like hey, hey, new artists, I'm an established such

1140
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 1: and such such and such, so I'm going to give

1141
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 1: that to you and add to the pot for you.

1142
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 1: But okay, this is my percentage of it, and let's

1143
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 1: do projects together and anything anything I need to own

1144
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: my own I p but then we don't have to.

1145
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 1: But then we don't have to. We can we can

1146
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 1: do good business. We can be economical with it because

1147
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 1: because exactly because an artist can now eat off of

1148
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 1: off off of their project even if it doesn't sell,

1149
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 1: doesn't need to wrap it out of here. And so

1150
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 1: that's gonna yeah, that's gonna make more people do it

1151
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 1: once they see the company is called R and B

1152
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 1: Money for a reason. We'll put in your face we

1153
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 1: make money doing if you would like to make money

1154
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 1: doing R and B music, come to R and B

1155
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 1: money And before I forget it, amvializes you name club Quarantine.

1156
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 1: That's incredible, hey man, d Nice I told him it's

1157
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 1: his pivot. D Nice shot the album cover when when

1158
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 1: me and Karl did it on independent album too, he

1159
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 1: shot the album. Wow, he was the photographer. He was

1160
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 1: the photographer. Wow. That's crazy, like just the way his

1161
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 1: whole like he's one of our advocates and to see him,

1162
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 1: to see this he put R and B. But he

1163
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 1: put R and B and he put made international again.

1164
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 1: He put it in front of the world and then

1165
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 1: put out an R and B record with him and

1166
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:58,440
Speaker 1: he oh that was great. And then another pivot. Remember

1167
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 1: Jason knowing that dream Works. Yeah, got fired. Listen got fired.

1168
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 1: I was I think I was there today. He got fired.

1169
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 1: It was not good. It was like it was like

1170
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 1: to walk out good. No, it was to walk out.

1171
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 1: It was a lot that went on up there. A

1172
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 1: lot of guys have been walked out. Wasn't good? Became

1173
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 1: something great? I ever get a job out so you

1174
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 1: can have that. You had that in my box. Yeah,

1175
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 1: what I've seen I've seen that in movies where you

1176
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 1: get all your kid you know, because you know, you know,

1177
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 1: you know, because Gerald and Gerald was gone by that,

1178
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 1: so you know Gerald was I got he was my

1179
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 1: guy too, right, So Jerrold was gone by then. And

1180
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 1: to see him, I think he was. I think he

1181
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 1: went to MTV after that and the next thing, you know,

1182
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 1: I should see him on the day Fasada, you know,

1183
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 1: getting the lessons, getting the lessons and getting the lessons.

1184
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 1: And now he's Jason. He didn't know song structure. He

1185
01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:00,120
Speaker 1: was just he was a and R that didn't no

1186
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 1: song structure. He's probably one of those guys I would

1187
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:06,920
Speaker 1: have custed out earlier. Absolutely, but he recognized greatness. It

1188
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 1: was such an awesome guy, and he recognized let them

1189
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 1: do what they do. He know what he did, Yeah,

1190
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 1: he said, let them do what they do. Just just

1191
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 1: just do what you do. Man, do what you do.

1192
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 1: You know what it is. Come on, let's call you

1193
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 1: know what. Right. So to see that, and then when

1194
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 1: I saw when he had when he got that Rhanna thing,

1195
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 1: that went crazy. And it's been ever since then. So

1196
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like people pivots, like you know, you

1197
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 1: can do different things it's like you're saying in two

1198
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 1: thousand two, because I'm remember that used like I don't

1199
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 1: even know if I want to do this no more

1200
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 1: because she's like, I don't what is it? What am

1201
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 1: I doing it? You don't know if you want to

1202
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 1: do it? You will find you something, you know what

1203
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So it's like with me, I was like,

1204
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 1: I'm not going to chase these records and everything, you know,

1205
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:53,440
Speaker 1: seeing my d do it? Do you know? Let me

1206
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 1: do what I do? Did I found I could do

1207
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 1: this all right? Cool? I could do have fun because

1208
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 1: I gotta have fun of doing what I'm doing everything.

1209
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, And it's like peace of mind.

1210
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 1: There's no price to what I'm saying. So it's like

1211
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to be um everything that's going on

1212
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 1: right now. I don't even want to be around a

1213
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 1: lot of energy like that. I didn't want to be reminded. Then.

1214
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 1: You know, I've been in some stick situations before, but

1215
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 1: it's like, man, we just left the studio and then

1216
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 1: that happened. Come on, man, you know what I'm saying,

1217
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 1: Like it's just I'm claiming the pivot. Uh, you back

1218
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 1: in charge? Of some R and B space in some way,

1219
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 1: shape or form, let's go. I'm claiming that it definitely

1220
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 1: need to solve, and you, you know, you stand in

1221
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:35,680
Speaker 1: front of it. I got a question too, though, and

1222
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:40,600
Speaker 1: it's it's is there a difference between R and B

1223
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 1: and soul or it was just to get together? I

1224
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:47,560
Speaker 1: think I think the lines are very blurred, and you

1225
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 1: know the difference. I think it's the difference between hip

1226
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 1: hop and rap music is R and B and soeld

1227
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 1: to me, you know what I'm saying, Like because because

1228
01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 1: it seems like they walk in the same so it's

1229
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 1: a little more pure, it's more the purest deal with

1230
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:05,840
Speaker 1: the soul the same way. And for rap, hip hop

1231
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 1: is more of it's pure. It's more pure than rap.

1232
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 1: Like R and B can can can be auto tuned up.

1233
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:16,639
Speaker 1: You can't auto tune, so yeah, you can't auto tune,

1234
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 1: So you can't auto tune hip hop all the tune

1235
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 1: rapt you Okay, Okay? That yeah, Because I mean that's

1236
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:27,599
Speaker 1: the question. I wanted to act so like a soul

1237
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 1: singer because you can't auto tune. Casey, Well, here's the

1238
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:35,640
Speaker 1: thing about it, Anthony. But here's here's the thing a

1239
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 1: soul take could be a soul singer r and be.

1240
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 1: It just depends on that. But that's the development of

1241
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 1: my gifts. What I'm saying it you want to do that,

1242
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:47,760
Speaker 1: but me, But me, me being little way can be

1243
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 1: a rapper or are hip hop. He can't. And so

1244
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:52,720
Speaker 1: it's just about the development of theft. I had to

1245
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 1: learn the space. J I was a soul singer first,

1246
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:59,600
Speaker 1: and then I learned how to be alright, Okay, I

1247
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 1: learned and that you know what I'm saying, which is

1248
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 1: a hell of a learning curve coming from So yeah,

1249
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 1: I know what you're saying. No, because it's like you're right,

1250
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 1: like like like fantastic. She's gonna have some holy ghosts

1251
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 1: in her singing, she taking her shoes. Yeah, that's just

1252
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 1: that's what that is, man like. And she can't help it,

1253
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 1: can help herself. That's and and and Anthony is high

1254
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 1: in southern soul, not like complete, but I'm saying, like,

1255
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 1: you know, like it's a southern soul movement going on.

1256
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 1: I actually I'm working on man a g We're doing

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Speaker 1: a southern some southern soul stuff. He getting shows and everything,

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01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 1: and it's like that's my guy like like you gotta

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01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:38,720
Speaker 1: you gotta remember there's there's a guy. Uh uh, what's

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Speaker 1: what's Calvin's last name? Kid a man boy Richard. That's

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Speaker 1: what he does. That's what he does. What he does.

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Speaker 1: He down there doing it as we speak, two shows

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Speaker 1: a week doing it, no question. I'm about to get

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Speaker 1: my man a G on that circuit like straight, you know,

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01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 1: like like a G. That's my guy, like out of

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Speaker 1: our whole thing. He had to deal first, he was

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Speaker 1: signed the Capital n Wow. That's when I came out

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01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:17,599
Speaker 1: here with him in he was sign a rough Friday.

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Speaker 1: That's why I went to New York messing with him.

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01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:23,680
Speaker 1: Now he was on Platinum, Um compilation, Gold Compilation, but

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01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 1: he never got his dude. Now he's doing something so

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Speaker 1: he's getting booked crazy. Yeah. So I'm like, okay, I

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, and you know, but see you

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Speaker 1: got you know when to turn that one the crowd. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I see what you're here for. Women still put money,

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01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 1: they bras. You better believe it. You better believe you

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01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 1: know what I mean, and we'll offer you some of

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01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 1: it and a home cooking meal. They still put jay.

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01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 1: They still put money in their bras baby, they will

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01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 1: offer you a meal. You're trying to figure out what

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01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 1: I am. You want to come to my house? Something

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01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:05,599
Speaker 1: is they called exotic nicka ex So you're not saying

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01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 1: but you right, Calvin basically been doing back. You know

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01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:15,080
Speaker 1: what I mean? You know what I mean. So no,

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01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:18,519
Speaker 1: so Calvin been basically doing this says more than a

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01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:22,120
Speaker 1: woman getting those things. But it's a whole movement going on.

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Speaker 1: But I say Anthony is high end Southern soul because

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01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:27,640
Speaker 1: he had the chance to have the backing of the

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Speaker 1: label and everything. But the way he did it shout yeah.

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01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:34,679
Speaker 1: I mean because Anthony was with us as Soul Life

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Speaker 1: Soul Life disbanded. I got Anthony with um Nappy Roots. Wow,

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Speaker 1: I got you did, Yeah, I got you did. Because

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01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 1: the song that I did with Anthony, yeah, you know Anthony.

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01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 1: We all family, right. So when such Sean had an

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01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 1: album coming out, first I said, I gotta get Anthony

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01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 1: on this album because that's Anthony Hamiltons. So I put

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01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:59,320
Speaker 1: him on the song with Sunshine and my man Dolo

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01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 1: Pacino and I was working with Nappi Routs. I said, Yo,

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01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:04,400
Speaker 1: we gotta get Anthony over here to do this. So

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01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:06,519
Speaker 1: the song that I did. Anthony actually didn't come to

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Speaker 1: the second album, but he ended up doing another song

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01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 1: um on the first album that went crazy. But I

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01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:15,720
Speaker 1: don't know who. I don't know if um Jazzy who

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01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 1: did it. But you know, it's all our relationships coming

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01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 1: together because that's what we supposed and exactly and that's

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01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:25,640
Speaker 1: what we hold on to. And let me charge you

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01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 1: for this, my man, that's my god community, right, you

1308
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:30,800
Speaker 1: should do I need you over here for that. You

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01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 1: should do that. And then the first first we we

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01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:37,560
Speaker 1: we build it by the dropping the ego and you

1311
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 1: because because now like you gotta like by you doing

1312
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:46,040
Speaker 1: your tours, your feeding families, Anthony's feeding families. You know

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01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, you know, people, this this is

1314
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 1: this is this R and B stuff. If you do

1315
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:53,799
Speaker 1: it right, you can be a collective. Yeah, you feed families.

1316
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 1: It's got to be a collective. Definitely, back to us.

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01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 1: We gotta get back to five and six R and

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Speaker 1: B X on the road as a tool, the mown

1319
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 1: the motown review, Like, we gotta get back to that.

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01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 1: And I say that, you know, not only to myself,

1321
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:14,120
Speaker 1: but to all high level R and B artists, Like

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01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:16,560
Speaker 1: if we're R and B. Let's do R and B

1323
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 1: let's and you know what, and don't be ashamed or

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01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:22,120
Speaker 1: afraid to do it. Do it and let's put it

1325
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 1: in these big things. Do it because you know what,

1326
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:28,000
Speaker 1: people want to feel good, man, People tired of getting

1327
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 1: shot at the shot that energies. Let's get that energy.

1328
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:34,679
Speaker 1: They want to feel good, tired. And I posted something

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01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:38,559
Speaker 1: my g yesterday, um like, uh shout out to Melvin right,

1330
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 1: I mean, like buddy for the world. We came up.

1331
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 1: Then we had slow jam tapes, man, like if you

1332
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:45,800
Speaker 1: didn't have the right slow jam tape, chicks was looking

1333
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 1: at you sideways like you was getting the last hour

1334
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 1: and a half at any party, no question. It was

1335
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 1: time for you to work your wiggle, work your magic.

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01:14:57,400 --> 01:14:59,720
Speaker 1: And these dudes today I don't know what that is

1337
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 1: because they'll get a charge because they don't know, Like, no,

1338
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:06,400
Speaker 1: you gotta fines, you gotta talk to her, right, So

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01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like if we can get

1340
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:10,560
Speaker 1: back to that, I think we can. I think you

1341
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, because these kids got the

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01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:15,080
Speaker 1: lesson from their parents. Now you're always gonna have but

1343
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:19,800
Speaker 1: what but they don't they don't. So we we have

1344
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:26,080
Speaker 1: to become like I said, and our our word is

1345
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 1: a different word. It's respected differently because we we've done it.

1346
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:32,479
Speaker 1: We've done it, look at it different. They'll look at

1347
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:34,640
Speaker 1: it different. You understand what I'm saying. And that's how

1348
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 1: we rebuild it. That's how we we have to be.

1349
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:44,840
Speaker 1: We can't be disconnected from the next generation of R

1350
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:47,760
Speaker 1: and B superstars. Man, listen the other day when I

1351
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 1: found when I when I heard this girl that was

1352
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:53,280
Speaker 1: going crazy. My man runs publishing or what am I

1353
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 1: called him? There? Sean Brown is there? I said, you

1354
01:15:57,240 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 1: have more talk? He said, you said you need to

1355
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:01,800
Speaker 1: sew her next week. I said, not like there's not

1356
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:04,479
Speaker 1: nothing you should play. I'm telling you what this is.

1357
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:08,599
Speaker 1: Don't play with this like I don't get excited about stuff.

1358
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 1: Like I'm telling you what this is. Bro, you need

1359
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:15,640
Speaker 1: to sign her next week and let me we we

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01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:17,840
Speaker 1: get it together. But she wanted to do with the

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01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:19,960
Speaker 1: real thing, you know what I'm saying. And she's so

1362
01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 1: and the girl I was working when she's so talented,

1363
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:26,720
Speaker 1: she don't even know how dope she is. She she

1364
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:29,800
Speaker 1: don't even know because she hasn't. But but it's like

1365
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 1: I'm down for all that and everything. You know what

1366
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:34,599
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Just like how you've always maintained and nurture

1367
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:37,920
Speaker 1: of the relationship with Chris because he respect that when you.

1368
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:40,479
Speaker 1: When he came up, he had to go see y'all

1369
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 1: that he felt that pressure from you and error. That's pressure, singer,

1370
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:49,360
Speaker 1: go see none the Dolls and Eric Dawkins and takt

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01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 1: that that's pressure. Maybe that's a lot of pressure. Like

1372
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:55,519
Speaker 1: I hear this demo that sounds like a real radio

1373
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 1: radio record. That should be all right, Now, that's pressure.

1374
01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:01,240
Speaker 1: So you know what I'm saying, Like a lot of

1375
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:03,680
Speaker 1: these kids can't handle pressure up. That's the other thing

1376
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:06,479
Speaker 1: we're dealing with too. That caught him. We don't come

1377
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:10,920
Speaker 1: from everybody get a We've diagnosed everything. Everything's everything needs

1378
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 1: help in medication. Listen, I went through a lot as

1379
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:18,679
Speaker 1: a kid. I had to get no medication. I didn't

1380
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:23,480
Speaker 1: get no help. Keep back up. I got my asswhip

1381
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:27,360
Speaker 1: and in some punishment and figure it out and get

1382
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 1: it together. It was but it happened, but it happened

1383
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 1: here and I'm a monster, and listen, I am still here.

1384
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 1: I wouldn't I wouldn't have had my mom and my

1385
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 1: dad and my grandmother, my great grandmother, my auntie Bed.

1386
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have them raised me any different. It was.

1387
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:47,479
Speaker 1: It was it was a tough you know what I'm saying.

1388
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:50,560
Speaker 1: It was a man like you are laugh, Like like

1389
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 1: my parents bought me equipment. But I remember when I

1390
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 1: was a freshman in high school, I couldn't try for

1391
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:58,280
Speaker 1: a basketball team. You know why. I had to go

1392
01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 1: to prayer meeting and man, I've never said that publicly.

1393
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 1: I had to go to my I had to be revival.

1394
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:12,920
Speaker 1: It was I had. I couldn't try for basketball because

1395
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:15,760
Speaker 1: I had to go to revival with my parents talk

1396
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:19,600
Speaker 1: five nights a week. I had. It wasn't no not

1397
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:22,760
Speaker 1: going either. I had to go. You're punch in your eye.

1398
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:30,879
Speaker 1: But in turn, in turn, in turn, well me equipment.

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01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:32,519
Speaker 1: You know. He wanted me to keep on and stuff

1400
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 1: and he helped me nurture your mind, you know what

1401
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So I was like, what was really supposed

1402
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 1: to be doing? Right? So I was like, I had this.

1403
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:42,600
Speaker 1: I wasn't going to college playing ball anyway. He was

1404
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:44,400
Speaker 1: like he's like I said, He was like, you can

1405
01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:46,639
Speaker 1: go to the and that's what speak about that when

1406
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:48,360
Speaker 1: I when I speak to these young artists coming in,

1407
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:51,960
Speaker 1: I tell him straight up. I was like, Yo, this

1408
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:56,280
Speaker 1: is the league what we're dealing with. It's the league.

1409
01:18:57,439 --> 01:18:59,599
Speaker 1: It's the pros. You're on that bench. You're gonna get

1410
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 1: in the game is to lead, you know what I'm saying.

1411
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:03,760
Speaker 1: I was. I was doing a record with Kelly Price

1412
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:05,960
Speaker 1: one time. I walked the girl out to the car.

1413
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:11,719
Speaker 1: I came back. She's halfway done the record, like literally,

1414
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:14,280
Speaker 1: just you know. She had started. See I'm going here

1415
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:16,439
Speaker 1: and messing around on something at the record player. I

1416
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 1: go out to what is it? I walked somebody out

1417
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:21,800
Speaker 1: of the car and I'll never forget it. I walked

1418
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:24,040
Speaker 1: somebody out to the car. I think, I'm out there

1419
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 1: talking to Januine and Okyo, we out there, you know,

1420
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 1: chopping it up. I get back to my session. Kelly

1421
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:35,320
Speaker 1: got a song popping going and she hit a little know.

1422
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:39,400
Speaker 1: I checked her throat. I was like, you you hit that, though.

1423
01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:42,600
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, this is these are beast you know

1424
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:45,720
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. These is professional snipers that we're dealing with.

1425
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 1: And if you want to play in the league and

1426
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:50,080
Speaker 1: be and get that respect, you gotta be a sniper,

1427
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:53,479
Speaker 1: you gotta, you gotta develop because these people have been

1428
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 1: you know, they've gone through the wringer, and it's like

1429
01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:58,560
Speaker 1: there's a whole another thing we're dealing with. You know

1430
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:00,800
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like Crawl waiting a long time to

1431
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 1: get that shot and he wasn't gonna blow it. He

1432
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 1: definitely didn't blow blow you know what I'm saying here? Yo?

1433
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 1: All right, So listen city, Okay, we R B Money Podcasts.

1434
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:15,639
Speaker 1: I appreciate you all having me. We're gonna talk about

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01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 1: R and B, which amen. Um. I want to get

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01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:29,760
Speaker 1: some information from you, Okay, I want to know your

1437
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:37,360
Speaker 1: top five R and B artists male or female all time,

1438
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:54,960
Speaker 1: all time. M h get tricking, mm hmm. Donnie and

1439
01:20:54,960 --> 01:21:10,280
Speaker 1: Stevie gotta be on that. Want to came out? Oh yeah,

1440
01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:13,760
Speaker 1: killing me right now? I'm scared because I put some

1441
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:18,439
Speaker 1: females in there. Wow. Absolutely? I mean, can you really

1442
01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 1: deny eath you cannot know me? You better not? Can

1443
01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 1: you better not? I mean I mean you better not. Okay,

1444
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:35,639
Speaker 1: if I come with that, that's three. I'm really stone.

1445
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 1: Who who would be froming five R and B? So

1446
01:21:51,080 --> 01:22:06,479
Speaker 1: Sam Cook, j I mean, yeah, he did. He Brandy,

1447
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:14,639
Speaker 1: I gotta give it because she she raised the whole

1448
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:19,360
Speaker 1: generation of singers. Now could I could say Whitney, but

1449
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:23,240
Speaker 1: Brandy took what we do. It's almost like she did

1450
01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:28,640
Speaker 1: like commission did the whinings. Because since Brandy did, I

1451
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:29,840
Speaker 1: want to be done. I knew I wanted to work

1452
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:32,439
Speaker 1: with her. I didn't know how it was gonna happen.

1453
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:35,519
Speaker 1: I knew I wanted to work with her. I didn't

1454
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:37,360
Speaker 1: have no plan. I didn't know what it was like.

1455
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 1: But that's what she's doing. I didn't know how. I

1456
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:43,479
Speaker 1: didn't even know she was a girl from THEA. I

1457
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:47,639
Speaker 1: had no idea. I just knew something magical about her voice.

1458
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:53,560
Speaker 1: And you know it's like lay is crazy too, and

1459
01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:55,720
Speaker 1: these people are my friends, man, Like I got I

1460
01:22:55,800 --> 01:23:01,439
Speaker 1: got tough because because she's said he studied. Yeah, like

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01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like she has all of it. Yeah,

1462
01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:07,960
Speaker 1: she's like and the stuff that she can do with

1463
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:12,280
Speaker 1: her voice, I've never heard any human Yeah, like she

1464
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:16,400
Speaker 1: can harmonize with her Yeah. And the only reason why

1465
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:18,920
Speaker 1: I just didn't say her because I said her Yeah,

1466
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:23,560
Speaker 1: like you know she's got but like like people like

1467
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:27,200
Speaker 1: not not being funny, like not like and I love

1468
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:31,439
Speaker 1: Monica music, but she wasn't Brandy. Brandy was like Monica

1469
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:35,599
Speaker 1: was great. Brandy was she was the bar that was set.

1470
01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:39,720
Speaker 1: Like people tried to immulate Brandy. I think Brandy was

1471
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:42,080
Speaker 1: just more of a vocal blueprint. Yeah you know what

1472
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:44,559
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Monica was more soulful. So that's that soul

1473
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:51,040
Speaker 1: R and B thing, right. Monica had that grit. Monica listen,

1474
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:55,080
Speaker 1: white shoes. She said she came without the white shoes

1475
01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:57,639
Speaker 1: and she was never meant to know what I'm saying.

1476
01:23:57,720 --> 01:24:01,880
Speaker 1: And we Brandy was was she just it was just

1477
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:05,799
Speaker 1: a technical She's a sniper. So that's why the boys

1478
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:08,640
Speaker 1: Marvelly works so well anyway, because it was just the

1479
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:12,400
Speaker 1: opposite of what I'm saying. But I'll never I'll never sleep.

1480
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:15,280
Speaker 1: I mean, Monica had bangers, bangers, bankers, just like and

1481
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:18,800
Speaker 1: the thing with Late is she didn't per se have

1482
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 1: those bangers. But everybody that knew knew what it was.

1483
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:25,000
Speaker 1: If you knew singing, you knew what that is like.

1484
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:27,479
Speaker 1: You do you know what that is like? You don't

1485
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:29,400
Speaker 1: have to Okay, baby, you didn't go platinum, but we

1486
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:33,040
Speaker 1: come to that concert she goes to land on d C.

1487
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:44,559
Speaker 1: It's so it's an experience. Top five R and B song, Wow,

1488
01:24:47,920 --> 01:25:04,000
Speaker 1: Top five R and B songs. Um, yeah, killing me

1489
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:10,800
Speaker 1: right now. So Donnie have to wear a song for you.

1490
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:16,880
Speaker 1: I just can't escape that pain. Yeah, I just I

1491
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:27,639
Speaker 1: can't escape that pain. Um um man. Trying to get

1492
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:39,600
Speaker 1: the singler songs, staple things. Let's do it again, the

1493
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:44,120
Speaker 1: staple singers, Let's do it again. Making nil. I mean

1494
01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:49,559
Speaker 1: like I mean, like, I mean, it's never going away,

1495
01:25:50,479 --> 01:25:53,679
Speaker 1: and that's not something that's just somebody. No, you gotta yeah,

1496
01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:58,640
Speaker 1: gonna be versed. But I hear you're popping that. You

1497
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:06,280
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying like that here like that. It's like, um,

1498
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:09,640
Speaker 1: let me see and I'm trying to I'm trying to

1499
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:24,280
Speaker 1: nail down the single artists too. Mm hmm. Just just

1500
01:26:24,439 --> 01:26:28,599
Speaker 1: songs that I played out, random songs that I played

1501
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:34,920
Speaker 1: me on. Marvin got something. I mean, y'all killing me

1502
01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:40,200
Speaker 1: right now, Marvin Gates. You want to say, we're not

1503
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:46,599
Speaker 1: gonna you know what I'm saying, like, mm hmm, could

1504
01:26:46,640 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 1: you go wrong with let's get on? I mean, I mean,

1505
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:53,679
Speaker 1: like just for what it is. I mean, the first

1506
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:58,240
Speaker 1: win we I mean you because you're going wrong. Let's

1507
01:26:58,280 --> 01:27:06,439
Speaker 1: try to find some that's three. Let's we're something for

1508
01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:18,400
Speaker 1: the ladies that she's y'all killing me? Man, I got

1509
01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:22,559
Speaker 1: a name. Five. Yeah, absolutely, you died leaving this room

1510
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:28,360
Speaker 1: as some micro punched holes in your tires. Come on,

1511
01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:30,599
Speaker 1: you give me my five songs that I just went

1512
01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:36,360
Speaker 1: crazy over. I'm trying to take it back to the

1513
01:27:36,439 --> 01:27:47,280
Speaker 1: day to Yeah, it's just like give me an Earth

1514
01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:50,559
Speaker 1: from the fire I was going crazy over. I used

1515
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:51,920
Speaker 1: to hear it from the fire so much from skill.

1516
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:53,880
Speaker 1: I thought they was from Philly. I just thought they

1517
01:27:53,920 --> 01:28:04,800
Speaker 1: were just coming radio just uh reasons, of course. I

1518
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:11,080
Speaker 1: mean that just resonates. Let me slide a moment up

1519
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:28,479
Speaker 1: and here R and B songs. You know what, I'm

1520
01:28:28,479 --> 01:28:32,680
Speaker 1: gonna throw a curveball. I got love for women, but

1521
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:35,720
Speaker 1: y'all was talking about it lately. Um I played I

1522
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:40,160
Speaker 1: played this song out, John B. They don't go, they

1523
01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:44,920
Speaker 1: don't don't listen to what I played. I played that

1524
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:47,680
Speaker 1: song out. I told her. I was like, I mean,

1525
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 1: and Brian got some songs to s w V. I couldn't.

1526
01:28:51,240 --> 01:28:55,160
Speaker 1: I mean, but I literally it's hard to pick. But

1527
01:28:55,320 --> 01:29:01,120
Speaker 1: I played I played that song out. I flat I yoh,

1528
01:29:02,439 --> 01:29:07,639
Speaker 1: ain't ye. Nothing's going on from him? I mean nothing.

1529
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:10,400
Speaker 1: I don't care what I just wanted. Nothing's gonna make

1530
01:29:10,439 --> 01:29:13,040
Speaker 1: you falling. I'm a wife that s like clean every

1531
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:18,080
Speaker 1: time your sins have been forgiven, even before you've committed

1532
01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:23,680
Speaker 1: it to me, to me, to me, you brand new

1533
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:26,360
Speaker 1: to me. And the way to the way to get

1534
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:28,479
Speaker 1: tar was man in the pocket. I don't care where

1535
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:34,400
Speaker 1: you've been, dude, m boom, because that's the by the

1536
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:36,600
Speaker 1: amount of time. I was like, I gotta get my

1537
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:40,439
Speaker 1: production chops up. Whatever you do. Because timmy Bob was

1538
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:45,799
Speaker 1: applying pressure. Oh major, they've been pressure applying pressure, pressure

1539
01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:49,519
Speaker 1: all right, Tim, Tim was there when I do. Tim

1540
01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:51,320
Speaker 1: was the first person to tell me full Moon was

1541
01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:53,800
Speaker 1: going to be He walked into the studio when I

1542
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:57,680
Speaker 1: was He was like, he don't get hype over much.

1543
01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:05,040
Speaker 1: He was like you know what he's like. He was like,

1544
01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:09,439
Speaker 1: he was like, you go crazy that because I had

1545
01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:13,360
Speaker 1: it going on. He was like, he said, and you know,

1546
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:16,439
Speaker 1: Brandy's like he said, oh my god, but those are

1547
01:30:16,439 --> 01:30:18,640
Speaker 1: a fun time. I'd be in the studio him to

1548
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:20,360
Speaker 1: be here for real and being all let we're just

1549
01:30:20,479 --> 01:30:25,040
Speaker 1: a community, everybody just having fun. I remember, um what's

1550
01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:27,240
Speaker 1: her name from? No Doubt used to be around, Um

1551
01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:33,800
Speaker 1: what's her name? Um Billy singer. Yeah, everybody would be

1552
01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:49,720
Speaker 1: coming in as rehearsing with all of them. Okay, I need,

1553
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:52,000
Speaker 1: we need, we need to build a volt run. Okay,

1554
01:30:52,280 --> 01:30:54,120
Speaker 1: I want to know who are you gonna get the

1555
01:30:54,200 --> 01:30:58,160
Speaker 1: vocals from, who you're going to get the performance style from,

1556
01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:02,000
Speaker 1: who are you gonna get the island from, and who

1557
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:05,560
Speaker 1: you're going to get the passion from. Let's start with

1558
01:31:05,680 --> 01:31:10,120
Speaker 1: the vocal. If you're building your you're perfect your R

1559
01:31:10,160 --> 01:31:13,040
Speaker 1: and B singer, Who you're taking the vocal from? Donnie Away?

1560
01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:20,120
Speaker 1: What fast, fast, no deliberation he had got in his voice. Man,

1561
01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:23,880
Speaker 1: it was something's going on just his whole He was

1562
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:30,599
Speaker 1: made in his image with his vocal because Stevie got

1563
01:31:30,640 --> 01:31:35,479
Speaker 1: a little Donnie when I was you know, like he'll

1564
01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:38,280
Speaker 1: tell you it was something going on don Like it

1565
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:41,960
Speaker 1: was some special going on with him. Donnie was definitely

1566
01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:46,080
Speaker 1: the originator. And like you said, Hiss had a different

1567
01:31:46,120 --> 01:31:48,800
Speaker 1: type of spirituality connected to a different kind of awe

1568
01:31:49,479 --> 01:31:54,680
Speaker 1: as we like to say haunting oil. Yeah, yeah, like

1569
01:31:55,240 --> 01:32:00,439
Speaker 1: sprinkle Okay, styling, styling, who don't get to stop fly

1570
01:32:02,600 --> 01:32:04,880
Speaker 1: or performance style, we'll get to stop first. We don't

1571
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:16,760
Speaker 1: get the performance because it's weird because Martin, I mean like,

1572
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:23,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what, I always fly always, I

1573
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:31,960
Speaker 1: mean always had that ship up. Yeah, performance style like

1574
01:32:32,280 --> 01:32:35,840
Speaker 1: who the king of quindon stage? Can you quindon stage?

1575
01:32:36,200 --> 01:32:41,519
Speaker 1: Are both? Maurice White? Oh? Hey Earth from the fire?

1576
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:43,519
Speaker 1: He no, no, no, no, no no. The way he was,

1577
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:49,320
Speaker 1: you know, frustrating. I mean, I mean a lot of

1578
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:56,280
Speaker 1: people to orchestrated. K White was going on baby, and

1579
01:32:56,920 --> 01:32:58,680
Speaker 1: who are gonna get the passion from? Who are you

1580
01:32:58,720 --> 01:33:06,439
Speaker 1: gonna get the heart and soul? David Ship putting a

1581
01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:13,840
Speaker 1: temptation without David Ruffin looking for Davi because Sam Cooke

1582
01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:17,120
Speaker 1: was smooth, but David, David just had he was. I'm sorry,

1583
01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:22,920
Speaker 1: but you know David had to he was. He just had. Yeah,

1584
01:33:22,960 --> 01:33:26,040
Speaker 1: he had his whole He influenced a lot of people

1585
01:33:26,080 --> 01:33:29,240
Speaker 1: to it. They're gonna be up there. But while they're

1586
01:33:29,320 --> 01:33:31,400
Speaker 1: up there, just I need you to put that spotlight

1587
01:33:31,439 --> 01:33:33,400
Speaker 1: on me while I walked down this owl real quick.

1588
01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:38,240
Speaker 1: Some people just lead singers, Yeah, you're just leads. Lead.

1589
01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:42,280
Speaker 1: He was a leading he was lead singer and he

1590
01:33:42,439 --> 01:33:45,160
Speaker 1: knew it. He knew it with it all, with all

1591
01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:49,439
Speaker 1: his being and just just to fly and scruffing lf

1592
01:33:49,479 --> 01:33:53,760
Speaker 1: his voice. It's just like, you know, whenever we get

1593
01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:56,800
Speaker 1: a chance to interview Robert Townsend, I want to ask

1594
01:33:56,920 --> 01:33:59,920
Speaker 1: him did he make Eddie came m off a day?

1595
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:04,200
Speaker 1: And he had to? But I need to know for sure,

1596
01:34:04,360 --> 01:34:06,519
Speaker 1: you know someone who just loves Robert. We need to

1597
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:10,160
Speaker 1: see you. Yeah, the greatest, greatest R and B movie

1598
01:34:10,200 --> 01:34:12,720
Speaker 1: of all time. Oh my god, it's like you. It

1599
01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:16,439
Speaker 1: can't come on and I don't watch if perfectly the

1600
01:34:16,520 --> 01:34:21,000
Speaker 1: perfect movie, absolutely, Kevin, even a comedy because as you

1601
01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:23,760
Speaker 1: can tell with our podcast, RB has some funny as moments.

1602
01:34:25,400 --> 01:34:28,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, and the Gangster Ship, all of it. That

1603
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:34,840
Speaker 1: was great. That was David. He's white. I can't argue.

1604
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:39,640
Speaker 1: I don't you're going there today. I love it. Here.

1605
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:44,680
Speaker 1: We like to go into a segment it's called I

1606
01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:47,880
Speaker 1: ain't saying on that because you know we amunch your

1607
01:34:47,960 --> 01:34:52,320
Speaker 1: many travels, the amazing people you've worked with. I know

1608
01:34:52,439 --> 01:34:57,920
Speaker 1: you've got some stories and in this game it's funny.

1609
01:34:58,080 --> 01:35:01,840
Speaker 1: Are fucked up? Are both? Mh? The only rule is

1610
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:06,080
Speaker 1: you can't say their names. It could be funny, are

1611
01:35:06,200 --> 01:35:09,720
Speaker 1: fucked up? Are funny and fucked up? I just can't

1612
01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:13,080
Speaker 1: say their names. This is Mike Cities. I ain't saying

1613
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:22,320
Speaker 1: no names. Let me see, I know, let me see.

1614
01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:29,320
Speaker 1: H m hmmm, I don't know. Man, Like I'll tell

1615
01:35:29,360 --> 01:35:39,519
Speaker 1: you this. One time I hung out was somebody that

1616
01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:50,720
Speaker 1: you used to kick it with. That person's dude, and

1617
01:35:50,840 --> 01:35:53,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure I'm the only one who knew it. And

1618
01:35:53,240 --> 01:35:58,120
Speaker 1: then we all hang out together, right, so you were

1619
01:36:00,920 --> 01:36:04,200
Speaker 1: the one person who knew about the whole situation. Yeah,

1620
01:36:04,520 --> 01:36:07,560
Speaker 1: but were you messing with this girl too? No? I

1621
01:36:07,680 --> 01:36:11,519
Speaker 1: just was sitting there like, oh, this is interesting, and

1622
01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:14,920
Speaker 1: everybody's working together. Though now we're kicking in the club together.

1623
01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:23,479
Speaker 1: Every single person that's involved. It was left right. I'm

1624
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:27,920
Speaker 1: here like, how does this? How does this workout? You

1625
01:36:27,960 --> 01:36:31,640
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, who did you? Who were

1626
01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:36,040
Speaker 1: you friends with? All off? And I didn't you know,

1627
01:36:36,120 --> 01:36:38,560
Speaker 1: there's nothing like And then that happened and I was like,

1628
01:36:39,320 --> 01:36:43,960
Speaker 1: uh so was it two couples? No, there was one girl,

1629
01:36:44,040 --> 01:36:53,200
Speaker 1: two guys, two girls that I knew. Uh did that

1630
01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:58,400
Speaker 1: mess with the same man? High level? Yeah? I mean

1631
01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:02,600
Speaker 1: and they knew it. I knew it. You knew it.

1632
01:37:04,840 --> 01:37:09,840
Speaker 1: Everybody's high level of this conversation to high level. And

1633
01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:12,800
Speaker 1: this guy's hanging out with all of them. I'm sitting

1634
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:15,439
Speaker 1: there with with Did he bring them on purpose? No,

1635
01:37:16,439 --> 01:37:21,560
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there with them too. He wasn't there, but

1636
01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:27,320
Speaker 1: I'm the only one who knew about. But they're those

1637
01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:31,160
Speaker 1: two are they're hanging out together their friends? Yeah, high level.

1638
01:37:32,200 --> 01:37:38,040
Speaker 1: What you probably didn't know is they was probably together.

1639
01:37:38,840 --> 01:37:47,080
Speaker 1: Maybe I might even known somebody just at whatever. Anyway,

1640
01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:52,679
Speaker 1: the world of R and B. Oh Man, the world

1641
01:37:52,760 --> 01:37:55,840
Speaker 1: of R and B. You were uncomfortable. It's just it

1642
01:37:55,960 --> 01:37:58,960
Speaker 1: wasn't not because it wasn't my deal. But I was

1643
01:37:59,000 --> 01:38:02,599
Speaker 1: sitting there like, you know, how does this work out?

1644
01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:07,840
Speaker 1: How this go? Because this is quite serious now and

1645
01:38:09,640 --> 01:38:11,880
Speaker 1: this is not you know, this wasn't that long ago.

1646
01:38:13,560 --> 01:38:15,280
Speaker 1: We're all gonna sit up here and drink our drinks

1647
01:38:15,400 --> 01:38:22,640
Speaker 1: and listening. You don't have to call something whatever. Meason, No,

1648
01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:33,120
Speaker 1: he went out. Definitely, No, he definitely yea because saying that, well,

1649
01:38:33,240 --> 01:38:37,320
Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. Um, First of all, let me say

1650
01:38:37,400 --> 01:38:42,280
Speaker 1: this man, Mike City, Um, you're absolutely amazing. I appreciate

1651
01:38:42,360 --> 01:38:46,040
Speaker 1: the love. Haven't been that way for quite some time. Um.

1652
01:38:46,680 --> 01:38:52,200
Speaker 1: You are absolutely necessary for the resurgence of R and

1653
01:38:52,320 --> 01:38:57,120
Speaker 1: B music. Your information, your gift, your understanding of how

1654
01:38:57,240 --> 01:39:03,000
Speaker 1: this ship goes absolutely necessary. Um. So, first off, it

1655
01:39:03,080 --> 01:39:04,960
Speaker 1: was good to see you the other night. Running into you.

1656
01:39:05,560 --> 01:39:09,760
Speaker 1: It was like because I saw Says running into you

1657
01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:12,240
Speaker 1: because I had to really quickly get that in because

1658
01:39:12,560 --> 01:39:15,920
Speaker 1: it was crowded, like we had to really. I was like, oh, oh,

1659
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:19,280
Speaker 1: guys are here like cities here, this is this was

1660
01:39:19,320 --> 01:39:24,000
Speaker 1: a real call um. But again, you're necessary, brother, um

1661
01:39:24,240 --> 01:39:26,320
Speaker 1: to the to this R and B fabric man, and

1662
01:39:27,400 --> 01:39:30,360
Speaker 1: we we need to see and hear more of you

1663
01:39:31,680 --> 01:39:37,120
Speaker 1: right now, not later, right now. So that is my

1664
01:39:37,320 --> 01:39:43,000
Speaker 1: charge to you, R and B Theologian that I'm tired

1665
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:45,679
Speaker 1: to just running to you at the street fair. Sick

1666
01:39:45,720 --> 01:39:51,880
Speaker 1: of it. Can we miss it this year? I think

1667
01:39:51,920 --> 01:39:55,479
Speaker 1: it comes to Halloween, doesn't it. Think it's it's Halloween stuff.

1668
01:39:55,520 --> 01:39:59,400
Speaker 1: But so, um on behalf of the Army Money podcast

1669
01:39:59,520 --> 01:40:01,320
Speaker 1: man and my brother Jake Valentie, and we thank you,

1670
01:40:01,439 --> 01:40:04,080
Speaker 1: brother for giving us your time. I appreciate you. You know,

1671
01:40:04,160 --> 01:40:07,320
Speaker 1: you your family, your friend, but your time is valuable. Brother,

1672
01:40:09,720 --> 01:40:12,760
Speaker 1: and your music is expensive. Man, listen, I'm glad to

1673
01:40:12,840 --> 01:40:15,439
Speaker 1: be here. And like you said, army money. If people

1674
01:40:15,479 --> 01:40:18,040
Speaker 1: want to get the information everything, these guys they've been

1675
01:40:18,080 --> 01:40:21,040
Speaker 1: doing it forever and everything. And I hit you, I said,

1676
01:40:21,160 --> 01:40:23,240
Speaker 1: um when I entr on that, I'm like, he went

1677
01:40:23,360 --> 01:40:27,479
Speaker 1: right back to commission once again. You cannot lose doing

1678
01:40:27,560 --> 01:40:32,360
Speaker 1: that commission just magic and whatever that is. If there

1679
01:40:32,479 --> 01:40:35,760
Speaker 1: is magic in there, I'll always be there. And it's transferable,

1680
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:38,080
Speaker 1: like you like you like you can put it. You

1681
01:40:38,160 --> 01:40:42,400
Speaker 1: can put that ship on everything, and each voice can

1682
01:40:42,479 --> 01:40:50,479
Speaker 1: has it have, each voice can have like before we go. Um, see,

1683
01:40:50,520 --> 01:40:52,400
Speaker 1: now that I found the love of my life, I

1684
01:40:52,439 --> 01:40:55,120
Speaker 1: don't have to trick no more. I told Dave this

1685
01:40:55,240 --> 01:40:57,960
Speaker 1: is what we're doing. He said, yes, we're doing this

1686
01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:00,880
Speaker 1: and that was a big part of that song because

1687
01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:03,880
Speaker 1: we broke the monotony of everything else. It let Dave

1688
01:41:03,960 --> 01:41:06,080
Speaker 1: be Dave again for a minute, and then we got

1689
01:41:06,160 --> 01:41:10,639
Speaker 1: back off into being allowed singer. You know what I'm saying.

1690
01:41:10,680 --> 01:41:13,000
Speaker 1: So I just feel like and it's more, but people

1691
01:41:13,280 --> 01:41:15,519
Speaker 1: just get to get the lessons and study the great

1692
01:41:15,560 --> 01:41:20,400
Speaker 1: study the older generation everything. It's not that the older generations. Hey, nah,

1693
01:41:20,560 --> 01:41:23,000
Speaker 1: you gotta get your craft up. You gotta get your

1694
01:41:23,120 --> 01:41:26,160
Speaker 1: your ten thousand hours gotta be spent right or just

1695
01:41:26,320 --> 01:41:30,080
Speaker 1: ten thousand hours. You can't just spend ten thousand hours

1696
01:41:30,240 --> 01:41:32,280
Speaker 1: saying I practiced. I did not. But if it ain't

1697
01:41:32,320 --> 01:41:37,679
Speaker 1: spent right, you need ten more thod hours. And that's

1698
01:41:37,720 --> 01:41:39,240
Speaker 1: just what That's what it is, you know what I'm saying.

1699
01:41:39,280 --> 01:41:42,639
Speaker 1: Like he torn with everybody singing background making it doing

1700
01:41:42,680 --> 01:41:44,519
Speaker 1: this every third, I'm being a printed I'm doing this.

1701
01:41:44,840 --> 01:41:47,600
Speaker 1: I remember one when I first met heavy D. He

1702
01:41:47,680 --> 01:41:49,519
Speaker 1: didn't know what I did. While I was up he

1703
01:41:49,600 --> 01:41:52,559
Speaker 1: was running motown up to that. He said. He looked

1704
01:41:52,600 --> 01:41:55,519
Speaker 1: at me, sad, I don't know what you do. You're

1705
01:41:55,560 --> 01:41:57,280
Speaker 1: gonna make it. He said, you got a certain energy,

1706
01:41:57,360 --> 01:41:59,280
Speaker 1: but you just minding your business. You're just soaking up

1707
01:41:59,320 --> 01:42:01,400
Speaker 1: the game. And I was sitting in the corner like

1708
01:42:02,439 --> 01:42:05,000
Speaker 1: when my time comes, my time would come and I'll

1709
01:42:05,040 --> 01:42:11,680
Speaker 1: do it. There guys and artists, but amazing executive who

1710
01:42:11,880 --> 01:42:15,360
Speaker 1: loved R and b MutS loved it. Man really helped.

1711
01:42:16,200 --> 01:42:17,479
Speaker 1: He did, you know what I'm saying. So it's like

1712
01:42:17,560 --> 01:42:19,640
Speaker 1: he you know, it's just just stuff like that. And

1713
01:42:19,680 --> 01:42:22,200
Speaker 1: when he got out here, you know, it's just funny stuff.

1714
01:42:22,200 --> 01:42:24,960
Speaker 1: I used to go box with him and Andreirol just

1715
01:42:25,080 --> 01:42:27,120
Speaker 1: working on everything, and O'Neill will be there, just all

1716
01:42:27,200 --> 01:42:31,000
Speaker 1: funny stuff. But it's just a community of people getting together,

1717
01:42:31,120 --> 01:42:33,080
Speaker 1: like minded with for the for the calls and everything.

1718
01:42:33,080 --> 01:42:35,360
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, It's like, we gotta get

1719
01:42:35,400 --> 01:42:37,439
Speaker 1: back to that, and the young gotta they gotta want

1720
01:42:37,479 --> 01:42:39,920
Speaker 1: the lesson too. They gotta want it, or we gotta

1721
01:42:39,960 --> 01:42:43,120
Speaker 1: find the people who want the less because there are

1722
01:42:43,200 --> 01:42:45,720
Speaker 1: people who want the lesson everything. But you know, just

1723
01:42:46,160 --> 01:42:47,880
Speaker 1: just with the songs, you don't need to use a

1724
01:42:47,960 --> 01:42:51,000
Speaker 1: million words. Space it out, baby, give the person a

1725
01:42:51,080 --> 01:42:53,160
Speaker 1: chance to learn the record or keep the person a

1726
01:42:53,280 --> 01:42:57,000
Speaker 1: chance to learn, understand what it is and break it down.

1727
01:42:57,680 --> 01:42:59,640
Speaker 1: We don't want to hear five thousand. I don't want

1728
01:42:59,680 --> 01:43:02,519
Speaker 1: to have every then you know, on one record, but

1729
01:43:02,800 --> 01:43:04,240
Speaker 1: I want to hear it. So don't mumble it, eive.

1730
01:43:04,280 --> 01:43:06,880
Speaker 1: I want to hear it. Let's hear it and so

1731
01:43:07,000 --> 01:43:08,920
Speaker 1: we can so we can absorb it and take it in.

1732
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:11,040
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, listen to the old

1733
01:43:11,040 --> 01:43:13,560
Speaker 1: stuff and do and and modernize and do what you do,

1734
01:43:14,280 --> 01:43:19,080
Speaker 1: but use those principles because you're still touring twenties down

1735
01:43:19,080 --> 01:43:20,880
Speaker 1: the line. Are these R and B artists gonna be

1736
01:43:20,920 --> 01:43:23,720
Speaker 1: over tour? Was it two and two thousand forty two?

1737
01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:25,360
Speaker 1: Are they gonna be over tour? They're gonna be like,

1738
01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:30,800
Speaker 1: I'm cool. That's the real thing they got to think about. Well,

1739
01:43:31,479 --> 01:43:33,519
Speaker 1: I know him to close out there and be money podcast,

1740
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:36,120
Speaker 1: but Mike City just did it for us, ladies and gentlemen.

1741
01:43:36,120 --> 01:43:39,560
Speaker 1: I'm take and this has been the R and B

1742
01:43:39,720 --> 01:43:44,720
Speaker 1: Money Podcast featuring my brother Mike. That's having me