WEBVTT - Mea Culpa w/ George Newbern 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.960 Of the law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.760 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:08.799 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:10.240 These are our stories. 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:31.080 Done done, Yay, that's messed up an SVU podcast. 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:36.400 I'm Lisa Trade said my name wrong. That's a new one. 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:38.040 That's new. 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:39.239 Wow. 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:42.959 It's episode two eighty three. And Lisa said her own 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:49.199 name wrong like a truck made a noise and I 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:54.640 got distracted, mother mid name. Well, I am Lisa Trigger 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:59.360 and we do we talk crime. We do SVU and 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:02.000 we have guests and that's my co host, Kara Clink 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:08.320 and I'm Kara Klump. I'm so nice to meet you all. Wait, 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:12.360 so okay, so first of all, we are we obviously 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:14.560 chat up top and last week Lisa was telling me 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:16.200 about how she went to go see Lost Boys and 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:18.720 then ever since then obviously non stop on my feed, 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:20.560 Danny Pino saw it. 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:25.840 What Danny pinow the Lost Boys? I thought he messages 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:29.479 Oh gosh, no, sorry, no sorry, I could I worded 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:29.840 that wrong. 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:33.720 Danny Pino listened to the pod now, so I think 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:35.520 after he was a guest who was like I've had enough. 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:39.240 But all these people I've just been seeing go to it, 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:41.480 and I feel like a lot of them are our 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:42.760 former guests. 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:46.800 Well, everyone is going, and now I've learned that like 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:50.040 a friend's husband is the direct Like everyone's connected. It's 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:54.000 just like it keeps growing. And then like Marcia and Anderson, 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:56.440 like people are buying tickets and then Marsha was like, 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:59.480 that's that's that's word of mouth, like you can't buy 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:01.200 that kind of you know what I mean. I guess 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:03.880 we did on Like it's like if something is good 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:06.240 and people are chatting, like people are gonna go. 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:09.680 So oh yeah, right, short, anything we talk about at 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:12.359 the beginning of this podcast is not sponsored, like we 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:15.519 are just stuff, like we are just telling you things 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:17.560 we genuinely like or don't like. 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:21.440 Oh people, people are like really having a good time. 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:25.560 But I saw Larry Owens was went, and so I 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:27.640 messaged him like I saw it, I loved it, and 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:30.280 he goes, okay, vampire diva, and I go I would 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:33.080 like to be called that from now on. So when 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:35.239 you saw me get excited about a text is because 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:37.920 he called me a vampire de vampire diva. 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:41.119 Love that, So it got me really excited. I actually okay. 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:43.200 So remember we had all of it on Doctor Olivet 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:45.680 and she was saying, how Annette Benning's daughter is in 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:48.320 a play with Hugh Jackman. I saw that on Sunday, 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:52.560 will say what it's called again, sexual misconduct of the 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:53.400 middle classes. 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:54.520 I think, okay. 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:59.240 So I got invited and I got to I went 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:02.000 to Minetta Tavern. I went to the show for free, 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:05.320 so so I we had the best dinner. 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:06.880 I've never been a Minetta Tavern. So I was like 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:10.040 so excited. I called at like three something and I 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:12.520 was like after my Justin Bieber soul cycle. But I 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:14.320 was like, do you got anything? And they did, so 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:16.960 I felt really cool. In New Yorky, I will say, 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:18.920 I have a lot to I got blacked out. It 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:19.639 was an open bar. 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:22.080 We went to Hugh Jackman's bar for the after party, 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:26.360 and at Benning was at Manetta Tavern. We saw her 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:28.880 walk by, so that was like a thrill for sure. 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:31.240 So it was like a reception. 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:34.520 And the show was it like opening night. No, that's 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:36.560 what they said that. They're like, it's not opening or closing. 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:40.280 So basically there's this director he's directing three simultaneous shows 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:40.880 that are happening. 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:42.680 Corey Stoltz is in one of them. He was at 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:45.280 the party fucking hot. I like made a lap just 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:46.880 to look at him, and I was happy. 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:46.960 I did that. 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:50.880 And then so Cecily Strong was there, like, I guess 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:53.640 it's just like something the audible theater is doing Medeta. 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:56.880 I don't I'm not sure what's happening. I also was like, 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:59.600 why am I being invited? And then my Michael krus 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:01.960 Kane's like, the told me to invite cool people, and 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:03.960 I go, does Hugh Jackman need us? 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:06.480 Like I don't understand why I get to go for free? 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:07.320 What's happening? 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:09.920 And then Hugh Jackman did a speech of like this 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:12.560 will be the most people here throughout our whole run, 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:16.120 and I'm like, are you not Wolverine? Like I don't 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:19.040 understand what's happening? Like is the theater having that hard 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:21.680 of a time that like, I don't, I don't know. 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:24.240 Thrilled to be invited, I'll tell you that much confused 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:26.120 by the event, no idea, what's happening. 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:28.719 It wasn't for charity. I don't know why I was there. 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:30.640 Oh, Molly Bernard was there, who I was in the 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:32.920 horror movie with She's from Younger, so that was exciting 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:34.200 to we ran. 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:36.840 Into each other. I have a couple of questions, ask 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:39.760 me anything you want. Who's Corey Stoltz. 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:43.000 I hope that's how you say his name. He was 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:46.080 in House of Cards. He's the bald guy. Him and 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:49.440 Andrew Reynolds have a love story in Girls. He's like 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:51.680 the Ball's guy. Is that not his name? 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:52.799 Cory Stole? 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:57.440 Okay, okay, so I ad a z so no, sorry 0:04:57.920 --> 0:04:59.479 that I was like that. I was like, is she 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:01.919 talking about Rick Stolts Like, but no, Corey? So I 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:03.719 know exactly. You're talking about the guy from House of Cards. 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:03.920 Yeah. 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:07.120 What's Hugh Jackman's connection to the plays? He in it? 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:10.000 He's in it, He's in it. It's him and Anette Benning. 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:13.120 So daughter's daughter. I'm sorry, I don't know her name, 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:13.920 but that's your dad. 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:15.440 I think that's I don't know what to tell you. 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:18.640 It's something baby Yeah, yeah, I mean she was great, 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:21.000 she was great. Okay, so this is the thing. And 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:24.080 Ella baby Ella, she was great. Okay. 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:27.599 So I'm like trying to figure out how to say 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:29.960 this all. I hated the first half hour in a 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:34.960 way you don't understand. I was livid, I was getting 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:36.800 I just didn't want to be there. I was like, no, 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:39.159 wonder if Hugh Jackman needs our help. This is a nightmare. 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:41.520 I go, what is doctor Elivette? Thinking I don't want 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:43.640 to be here? And then the person I'm next to 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:47.760 kind of size and we're confused. Then something like hits 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:49.960 where the person with Marsha's like smart, so like she 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:53.520 opens the the program for a second, so like I 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:55.280 clocked that. I was like, okay, so she's looking at 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:57.360 the program at this moment. I wonder what she's looking for, 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:01.040 like something's happening. Then there's this kind of twist that's incredible, 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:05.039 and then then it all makes sense and it's so cool, 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:07.560 and I'm like, oh, this is cool. And then I 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:09.360 looked at Marsha after I go what'd you look at? 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:11.040 And she goes, I knew a woman wrote it. At 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:12.800 that moment, she goes, I fucking hated it. And then 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:14.480 I realized a woman wrote it, and I looked it 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:16.640 up and then like, you realize this stuff. So the 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:19.560 play is incredible. And then at the party I meet 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:20.560 the director. 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:23.800 And I hate him so much. 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:28.040 And I like, I hated him with my whole being, 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:30.039 and he made I could tell my friend was uncomfortable 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:32.440 leaning ants, and I thought that he was friends with 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:34.480 the people that invited me. So I was more polite 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:38.200 than I think I would have been. And then she goes, no, 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:39.960 I just met him. So I was like, I wish 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:41.880 I was a little bit. I wish I was brutal 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:44.880 to him. But when I tried to talk about him 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:46.880 to someone else, I like checked in first, and they 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:49.000 were like, love him, He's the best. Oh my god. 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:50.240 I was like, oh, hey, well, I'm glad I checked 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:52.960 in before, I like. And then so I think he's beloved. 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:56.679 I think the director is liked. I asked him a question. 0:06:56.680 --> 0:07:00.640 First of all, Brussels sprout warm, weird salad is not 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:02.919 a party food, and it's definitely not a food to 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:05.719 chew in my face. I don't want to smell it. 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:08.000 So to me, I was just like the Brussels sprout 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:09.400 of it all was like a nightmare. 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:12.760 The chewing was a nightmare. And then why he picked 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:14.120 the play, I was like, I want to see it 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:15.280 with a female director. 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:16.040 I want to know. 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:19.280 If the playwright's happy with it. I want to know everything. 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:21.680 And the reason I hated that. What I hated was 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:24.920 I think because of him and Hugh Jackman and men 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:28.640 not understanding stuff. And at the end of the day, 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:30.800 it is two old men with a young girl. So 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:34.200 I don't know, but I love art that causes conversation 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:37.800 and I and there was a lot of conversation and 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:40.480 then I got blacked out Manhattan's for Free all night 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:43.440 went to a three AM. I mean we talked like 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:46.560 I think I smoked eight joints. My throat hurts, and 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:50.320 but we talked about it most of the night, like 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:52.120 there was just like a lot to discuss. 0:07:52.160 --> 0:07:53.320 So then I understood why. 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:55.000 She liked it and why she's so impressed with her, 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:58.720 like you know, yeah, like her best friend's daughter, Like 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:01.200 I get it all, and I want to read it, 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:03.800 and like my acting teacher read it, and we talked 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:07.120 about it, like I understand it all. But I think 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:09.520 it's kind of when I found out Noah Bombback was 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:11.440 like involved in the Barbie movie, and I'm like. 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:15.160 I see it everywhere. Yeah, you fucking lose. You get 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:16.880 a beanie on. This guy at a beanie on that 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:18.360 didn't cover his ears. You know, I don't like that 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:20.000 eating the brussels. 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:21.720 There was just a lot and when I asked him, 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:23.720 I was like, I asked some questions about it, and 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:26.240 what he was saying was not what I felt. So yeah, 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:28.040 it was just like it was like a cool night. 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:29.480 I love living in New York at the end of 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:29.800 the day. 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:33.679 So that's that. I guess it was originally directed by 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:36.280 a woman. But yeah, and I'd love to see that. Yeah, 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:39.760 and I would love to see that. And then what we. 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:41.480 Also discussed and it's not something I know, but I 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:43.559 guess Nabookov is that who wrote Lolita. 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:46.720 Yeah, right, so like I guess his whole thing. I 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:48.800 don't know anything about this. I was told this that 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:51.400 like he had a disclaimer where it was like the 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:56.160 advertiser like this should never be perceived as sexual, like 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:59.360 it should never be like the iconography should not be sexual, 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:02.920 and obviously made Lolita and everything sexual, and that's how 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:05.600 we felt. Like the photos they're using to sell this 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:10.640 play are very Lowlita and it's just like that was 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:14.920 something we talked about. There was just but then the 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:17.720 twit the play is genius. I will say the play 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:21.040 is genius. That's funny because I'm right now. I'm looking 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:24.480 at the cover of the play, like the cover of 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:26.840 like whatever the play book would have been, and it's 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:30.560 like just an outline of a body and a person, 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:32.800 like it's supposed to be a woman, but it's like 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:35.719 a sort of featureless shape. You the photos that were 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:37.680 happening at the party, So I'll show you the photo 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:45.720 I'm talking about. Okay ready, yeah, yeah, so that's uncomfortable, yeah, sexual, right, yes, 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:49.840 because there's a huge age difference between this girl's young. 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:53.800 Yeah, it's about a professor and a nineteen year old. Yeah, 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:57.000 that's what it's about. Yeah, and so and so. Then 0:09:57.080 --> 0:09:58.800 also a bunch of people because I was at the 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:02.359 party talking. It's like so many women connect. 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:05.760 To this story. And then I don't know, like for 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:08.040 some reason, the director thought that the male character was 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:13.400 interesting and I was like, oh, He's like, I don't know, 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:14.880 tell me if this isn't. I was like, how did 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:17.800 you find the play? And he goes like, how did 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:19.800 I literally find it? Or how did I find it? 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:22.559 And it's like, oh, I'll choke you right now, ha ha. 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:26.280 Why would I ask you about how you found your 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:28.840 own play? Like, I'm not brish I'm also not British. 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:29.400 Why would I. 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:32.680 Speak like that? Like, yeah, why would I ask you 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:35.000 how you thought your play? Did you? Obviously? 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:38.720 I also hate when plays don't have a distinct start. 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:41.000 I hate when like characters start just walking and like, 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:44.239 you know, checking the thing and sitting at the desk. 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:46.400 Like I don't like. I don't like a slow start 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:48.319 of a play. I don't like that for any I 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:50.400 don't like that when I guessed on a podcast and 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:53.319 I'm like, have we started, and people are like, oh, yeah, 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:56.320 we started. I'm like, yeah, we do things differently here. Yeah, 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:58.640 things are a little different. Everything's meant to be shared. 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:01.160 Fuck you, so whatever. I guess I'm talking shit about 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:03.479 this man, but like he did cause a lot of conversation, 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:07.079 and I don't know, I was interested as well. That's cool, 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:09.559 I mean, and you liked it in the end the. 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:12.720 Play, Yeah, I followed the play right immediately, and I 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:15.679 liked all the discussions and there was like certain lines. 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:23.360 That like hit so hard. Anna Moskovich is the play Canadian, Canadian, 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:30.400 Canadian having a real real time Canada. I speaking of 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:36.080 art that causes this conversation. I saw the drama, which 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:38.400 I'm not going to I don't think. I don't want 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:40.319 to get into like a full in depth conversation about it, 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:43.000 because I know you guys get mad when we talk 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:46.040 about a movie that's been out for or still could 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:49.240 be playing in any theater anywhere. So I don't want 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:55.400 to give anything away. I just want everybody to know that, Liza, 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:59.439 you were correct. And I don't know why. I mean, 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:01.800 I belie leave you, but you were like, there's no twist, 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:03.920 and I was like, okay, but everybody's saying there's a 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:07.280 fucking twist and there's no fucking twist. And it really 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:10.400 affected the way I saw it, Like it affected the 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:14.280 way I watched the movie because I kept waiting for 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:18.640 some major event to happen, even though like not maybe 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:20.400 not like a icee dead people. 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:22.280 You know what I always say, I'm like, the words 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:25.280 mean things, so like yes, Like when people were saying that, 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:29.400 it's like, no, the the point that moment is advertised, 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:33.559 the secret reveal is advertised. 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:35.480 And that's the thing everybody goes, oh no. When I 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:37.480 went back to people that told me there was a twist, 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:41.280 they go, I think it's just because the marketing was 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:44.400 X and the movie was why and I go, I 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:47.440 didn't see any marketing for it, like that should not 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:50.520 be part of like the description of the movie, like 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:52.520 it could be it's one thing to go oh, I 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:54.880 just expected it to be something different than it was. 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:57.880 But like, I don't know, it's like all this stuff 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:01.560 now where it's like the materialists like had like this 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:04.200 is like another A twenty four, right, casey, that's another 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:06.720 A twenty four where it's like they had one preview 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:09.480 that came out that was very like dramatic, and then 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:11.960 another one that was very rom cammy, And I don't 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:13.520 know what the point of all this is, Like I 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:16.920 don't like all of this weird the marketing is part 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:19.040 of the plot now to the movie, Like I don't 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:21.800 I don't know. But I had a lot to think 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:24.400 about after that movie and a lot to say about it, 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:27.360 But I don't want to get any of it here though. 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:29.280 I just don't want to see it if it's gonna 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:32.840 if it's gonna like I don't know, but talk about 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:35.320 it a few weeks ago, you just not really liking it, 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:37.280 but you didn't give away any plot points because I 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:39.000 hadn't seen it and I really wanted to, like go 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:41.720 in blind and I didn't get spoiled either, Like you 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:44.600 said you read a spoiler, like I somehow didn't get 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:47.199 any spoiler, Like I had no it. But like what 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:50.360 people are perceiving to be the spoiler, like the twist, 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:52.719 I'm like, that did not shock me when I when 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:55.720 I heard it, I just yeah, it's so, it's all 0:13:55.840 --> 0:14:00.599 just so good. Yeah, it's a very interesting movie, has it. 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:04.000 It's like, and I don't know anything that this guy 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:07.280 has done. But he has also done this movie called 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:09.280 Sick of Myself that my husband has seen. Have you 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:11.559 seen that, Casey, No, I haven't seen it. It's a 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:15.199 Norwegian the guy's Norwegian, and Sick of Myself came out 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:17.960 and people were seeing it in LA and it's like, 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:20.640 I think it's about a woman who like can't stop 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:24.400 getting plastic surgery. She almost has like a she almost 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:27.320 has like Munchausen's for like, and she just keeps getting 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:31.160 plastic surgery in a way and like fucking with her face. 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:32.480 So I was like, I don't think that's for me, 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:34.520 Like I can't do body horror stuff. But then he 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:38.000 also did this movie called Dream Scenario that sounds interesting 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:43.040 that is about Nicholas Cage plays like a schlubby professor 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:45.680 or something like his life is boring, and then suddenly 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:48.600 all these people all over the world start having dreams 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:52.040 about him and he becomes famous, and it's kind of 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:55.680 like that about dealing with the fame and like this 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:56.080 and that. 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:58.680 Well, I don't know, because Michael Sarah's in it. This 0:14:58.720 --> 0:14:59.920 is good for my movie games. 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:03.600 Yeah, wow, scenario. It's so funny. 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:05.640 The moment you said the Body Horror wasn't for you 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:09.560 is the moment I started. You were like, she keeps 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:11.720 getting plastic surgery, and then as you said it's not 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:15.080 for me, I was like, oh, I'm going to yeh yeah, yeah. 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:16.720 Well we definitely could take a look at that. That 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:20.120 doesn't seem like well and yeah, these kind of weirdo guys. 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:24.160 I'm into the weirdo guys. I guess let's see something weird. 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:28.760 I'm just in a mood, you know. Yeah, wa talk 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:33.240 about I finished Yesteryear. Oh okay, I gotta order it. 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:34.200 I'm going on Amazon. 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:37.040 I already gave it to someone. Oh my god, So 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:40.320 Ashley Hamilton from Good Noticings I she's the only other 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:42.040 person who that finished it at the moment, So like 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:44.360 I'm sending her voice notes, I'm writing, I'm all these 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:44.960 things she's condor. 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:49.560 Then I see her and Claire interviewed the author. She's 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:51.560 like with the author, I'm like, this never came up. 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:53.040 I'm like putting it in the trap. I'm like, you're 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:54.400 out of your mind. I'm like, you have insight. 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:56.720 And then she actually asked one of the questions that 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:58.680 I asked, so I felt really smart and the author 0:15:58.760 --> 0:15:59.720 didn't have an answer. 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:02.720 So that was annoying. But oh yeah, wait the the 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:07.360 I've seen this author on my Instagram like feed something 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:11.200 because well I just followed her so and it's the book. Yeah. 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:11.440 Yeah. 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:13.800 One last thing I was going to say about the drama, though, 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:16.560 is I think the woman that plays the photographer is 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:20.560 so good and that scene is so funny. I love her. 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:24.680 Where's she from? Really good? She's in She's in an SVU, 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:27.480 right or no, I don't think so, but I think 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:30.880 she's in another wait, hold on, hold on, let me look, 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:34.560 because I looked her up Zoe Winters, Zoe Witters, and 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:38.040 she had just been in a Materialists. That's what, yeah, Materialists, 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:39.160 the movie I just brought. 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:39.280 I go. 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:42.120 She was just in another big like indie ish type 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:46.200 of movie. Yes, oh, succession, and Succession is where she's 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:48.560 got like a long running part that I don't I 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:51.400 never watched Succession, but I mean I did, and I 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:55.520 didn't like it, so I stopped little gust demeanors she's 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:59.800 she's only been in OG for Law and Order. Unfortunate. Unfortunately, 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:05.639 she was great. She was really funny. And yeah, I 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:08.280 don't know, we'll tell I mean maybe in like a 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:10.240 few weeks when it's out of the theaters and people 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:11.720 don't get mad at us, we can have a more 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:13.720 in depth conversation about it. But I feel like we'll 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:15.919 give people a few more times, Yeah, a few more, 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:18.080 a little bit more time, but then we'll get into it. 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:21.359 But also so then I was so drunk the play 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:25.800 night that then yesterday I really struggled, and so I 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:28.320 just went down to the coffee shop downstairs to have 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:31.520 a beer, and I was there for seven hours. I 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:35.359 would say. The mailman came in. I mean it was 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:37.120 I truly felt like I was in a sitcom. 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:39.720 We all were waving to the mailman. We all know 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:42.600 each other all the regular like it was. And then 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:48.560 a friend did come meet me, but I just kept. 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:49.480 I just kept sitting at the coffee shop. 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:50.520 Nice. 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:53.959 Hey, you can always use a little day to just 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:56.800 people watch and pretend getting drunk. I was like, I 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:58.560 just need two beers because I was like, so I 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:00.760 couldn't even eat. I was like, I can't even function 0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:02.359 at the moment. Oh you needed a little hair of 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:04.399 the dog, Damn. I did. 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:10.159 And I had a lot of tasks. The tasks, tasks. 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:13.800 Yeah, hopefully the audition I sent in they wanted someone 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:17.199 that looks haggard, because that's what I delivered. But I 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:20.639 was gonna say, you know, sometimes a little a little 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:24.280 drink make you a little nose. Before it was no, 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:26.000 but I told I was like I just have to 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:28.439 yeah whatever. I don't know. I'm like so desperate to 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:32.280 be on a set again. It's just so fun, you know. Yeah, yeah, 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:35.800 I hear you. Okay, So a couple orders of business 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:38.159 as always, before we get started. You guys can go 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:42.920 to the link in our Instagram bio or that's messed 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:44.920 up live dot com takes you to our merch page 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:47.919 and we have our cute little Louise Louis Lewis Luis 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:51.440 Slowis t shirt. You can also you can also check 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:53.800 out promo codes for all of our ad stuff. 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Lisa's on the road. 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:27.800 You can go to Glittercheese dot com for all of that. 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:33.240 You can check out my other podcast, Who's the Bitch, 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:35.600 where we're get We get so many funny submissions on 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:37.840 this fucking podcast, you guys. And we're on YouTube now 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:40.720 at YouTube dot com slash at Who's the Best, so 0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:42.399 you can watch us or listen. 0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:44.520 And I would like to just say that I didn't 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:46.040 even mention heated rivalry ones. 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:51.280 That's amazing. I'm just actually we just actually we just 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:55.600 did an episode on Who's the Bitch where somebody wrote 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:59.640 in and said, my husband refuses to watch heated rivalry 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:02.680 with me, and I've asked him a bunch of times, 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:04.840 and it's worrying me because I feel like it's just 0:20:04.960 --> 0:20:07.919 the gay part of that is the reason. And I 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:10.159 was like, yeah, I mean you have to grapple with 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:13.840 that if that's like some kind of internalized homophobia. But like, 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:15.960 if it's making among like I don't know, why is 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:18.560 it making him uncomfortable? It's like I think also people 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:21.280 are talking up the show in a way that makes 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:24.440 it seem like there are dicks slapping against faces and shit, 0:20:24.600 --> 0:20:26.879 like it's not that graphic, but it doesn't. 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:28.919 It truly doesn't matter because it's like, h you know 0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:31.920 what HBO is. Yeah, and if it wasn't gay, you'd 0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:34.320 be into it. No, it's totally homophobia. It is one 0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:38.439 hundred percent that, and I I truly judge, like, your 0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:40.760 wife is asking you to watch it if you're just 0:20:40.760 --> 0:20:42.800 like alone, I don't have to do anything, but your 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:45.160 wife is begging you to watch the thing she loves, 0:20:45.240 --> 0:20:47.560 Like I don't understand. And actually one of the people 0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:49.720 at the party on Sunday, who's like a friend of 0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:53.960 a friend whatever, is talking. He's like, oh, yeah, I 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:55.720 didn't see that movie. I go, you know, it's a 0:20:55.760 --> 0:20:58.439 TV show. I go, You pretending you think it's a movie? 0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:01.800 Makes me know you are fucking like you were in 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:03.040 the closet, you know what I mean? 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:05.480 Oh wait, what is that? I hadn't really heard of it? 0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:08.719 Oh really, Oh really, I was like livid. 0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:13.800 I was truly livid. Oh my god. Okay, well I 0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:19.680 just ordered Yesteryear and it's happening. But also you did 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:22.800 mention heated rivalry then, so that you don't get the 0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:26.800 credit anymore. We got to start the clock over because 0:21:26.840 --> 0:21:27.840 now we've talked about it now. 0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:31.240 No, but no, it really is weird, because that's what 0:21:31.280 --> 0:21:32.960 I said to the guy. I'm like, it's a sensation. 0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:36.960 You don't want to watch a sensation? Like that's so strange. 0:21:37.119 --> 0:21:38.760 I mean, I can't relate to that, because you know, 0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:40.639 I'll even go see a horror movie if it's like 0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:43.040 gets talked enough about enough, even though that's not my 0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:46.200 favorite thing. You know, like, if something is zeitgeisty enough, 0:21:46.240 --> 0:21:46.879 I gotta see it. 0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:49.399 Well, it's also like you don't trust your life, you 0:21:49.440 --> 0:21:52.239 don't care about connecting your to your wife. It's just 0:21:52.320 --> 0:21:54.840 so much fucking deeper. And I could tell one of 0:21:54.880 --> 0:21:56.439 my friends is annoyed when I'm like, yeah, I'm like, 0:21:56.480 --> 0:21:58.439 I look at your husband differently, Like the fact that 0:21:58.480 --> 0:22:00.879 he won't watch it made it just kind of disgusts me. 0:22:00.920 --> 0:22:03.920 I don't know what to tell you. Yeah, well we 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:08.840 dive into it over there, but you know, I knew, 0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:12.919 I knew what your take would be. But let's get started. 0:22:13.000 --> 0:22:15.960 But it's when men don't like my stand up, I go, oh, 0:22:16.000 --> 0:22:19.880 well you hate women, because I'm like, very funny. You're 0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:22.240 either religious or hate women, like I don't know why 0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:23.560 else I can't. 0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:29.760 Okay, let's get started. We've got a great episode for 0:22:29.800 --> 0:22:39.960 you guys today. Okay, I thought it was mia culpa. 0:22:40.080 --> 0:22:43.199 You just said maya culpa off screen, and so you 0:22:43.240 --> 0:22:45.080 probably know what it means, right, I didn't look it up. 0:22:45.400 --> 0:22:48.760 I didn't think twice. Maya culpa just means my fault. 0:22:48.840 --> 0:22:50.840 So usually you say it like when you're like, sorry, 0:22:50.920 --> 0:22:56.120 my maya copa my fault, my fault. The word culpability 0:22:56.160 --> 0:23:01.480 would come from Colpa Warren Light get alife. Yeah, or 0:23:01.520 --> 0:23:02.320 is this not him? 0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:05.000 Because it's not the Letters of twenty So who is 0:23:05.040 --> 0:23:05.920 the showrunner here? 0:23:06.080 --> 0:23:06.159 Now? 0:23:06.240 --> 0:23:09.040 No, this isn't him. This is took the year off 0:23:09.560 --> 0:23:12.800 the other guy. Yeow, I have more enemies, more enemies 0:23:12.800 --> 0:23:13.639 with names. 0:23:14.280 --> 0:23:17.080 Okay, so we're in court. Stone is tap dancing. This 0:23:17.119 --> 0:23:20.760 is Peter Stone, friend of the pod. A man is 0:23:20.760 --> 0:23:24.359 saying it was consensual. The judge's agreeing with him and 0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:28.679 gives him remand oh agrees with Stone in remand not 0:23:28.840 --> 0:23:31.879 agrees with the rapist that it was consensual. So the 0:23:31.960 --> 0:23:34.800 rapist is going to jail. Everyone's excited. Chorasey and the 0:23:34.880 --> 0:23:37.000 victim are sitting in the galley and then the woman 0:23:37.040 --> 0:23:39.480 walks out of the courthouse with Stone and Creasy on 0:23:39.560 --> 0:23:42.160 either side of her, and so like, what a fun night, 0:23:42.560 --> 0:23:45.199 and I mean day is an actress just like flanked 0:23:45.200 --> 0:23:46.080 by these guys. 0:23:45.800 --> 0:23:49.399 In suits walking out. Not a bad day. Not a 0:23:49.440 --> 0:23:50.160 bad day. 0:23:51.160 --> 0:23:54.160 Chrisey wants to go out for a beer, but Peterstone 0:23:54.200 --> 0:23:56.800 is not interested, and he wants a hot dog. Love 0:23:56.880 --> 0:24:01.080 that Chicago boy. So a woman recog him from the 0:24:01.119 --> 0:24:04.640 cubs and it's like, damn, it's you, Peter Stone. She says, 0:24:04.720 --> 0:24:07.280 let's get a drink. He goes, hell yeah, hands the 0:24:07.280 --> 0:24:08.560 hot dog back to the man. 0:24:09.920 --> 0:24:13.240 That does That's not gonna happen. But it's like the 0:24:13.240 --> 0:24:14.840 guy made you a hot dog and put it in 0:24:14.880 --> 0:24:16.600 a thing? Did you pay him for it? Like it's 0:24:16.640 --> 0:24:18.760 just really weird to be like, well, I'm about to 0:24:18.760 --> 0:24:20.240 maybe go fuck this girl, and I don't want to 0:24:20.280 --> 0:24:22.240 smell like hot dog, Like I don't know, why are you? 0:24:22.560 --> 0:24:26.920 It's weird. You gotta throw a person or you can't 0:24:26.960 --> 0:24:27.959 take a bit. I don't know. 0:24:28.119 --> 0:24:31.760 I just maybe maybe he gets a hot dog a 0:24:31.760 --> 0:24:34.520 lot after court, like this is his dude, you know, 0:24:36.480 --> 0:24:40.040 but she remembers him. Okay, So we're at a fancy 0:24:40.119 --> 0:24:42.680 place now and Rollin's in the doctor guy. 0:24:43.160 --> 0:24:46.800 Baby Daddy number two. They're they're having dinner. Is she 0:24:46.880 --> 0:24:47.600 pregnant yet? No? 0:24:47.800 --> 0:24:48.000 Right? 0:24:48.560 --> 0:24:50.919 Or she is she is sure had the baby? 0:24:51.720 --> 0:24:53.719 No, I think she might have had it or whatever, 0:24:54.119 --> 0:24:57.359 pregnant baby whatever, who knows, who cares? So they're at dinner. 0:24:57.440 --> 0:25:00.399 It's fancy, he go. He orders one of ever desert 0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:03.240 on the menu. She says, wow, I can get used 0:25:03.240 --> 0:25:05.399 to this, and he's like, well, I actually have a 0:25:05.480 --> 0:25:07.679 question for you. Puts a red box on the table. 0:25:08.160 --> 0:25:10.879 Amanda Rollins is getting stressed, but guess what she opens? 0:25:10.880 --> 0:25:11.720 It is just a key. 0:25:11.880 --> 0:25:13.000 I don't know why you would put it in the 0:25:13.040 --> 0:25:15.320 box like boxes me and things like, it's such a 0:25:15.359 --> 0:25:19.000 stupid trick. This is a doctor sociopath trying to connect 0:25:19.000 --> 0:25:21.280 with like a sense of humor and it's a flop. 0:25:21.880 --> 0:25:24.760 So will you move in with me? She smiles. So 0:25:24.840 --> 0:25:26.760 now we cut back to Stone and the pretty woman 0:25:26.800 --> 0:25:29.879 who like recognized him, and they're in a purple beaded 0:25:30.000 --> 0:25:34.480 curtain shell shaped couch lounge area. It's like very purple, 0:25:35.080 --> 0:25:37.280 and he goes to gret He's like, I'll get another round. 0:25:37.359 --> 0:25:39.680 He goes to the bar. A blonde woman now approaches 0:25:39.760 --> 0:25:42.520 him and goes, what are you doing in New York? 0:25:42.760 --> 0:25:42.960 You? 0:25:43.320 --> 0:25:45.560 And she's like, oh, you don't even remember me, and 0:25:45.600 --> 0:25:49.080 he doesn't. She slaps him and then says you raped me, 0:25:49.160 --> 0:25:53.560 you son of a bitch, stresses him out. So yeah, 0:25:53.560 --> 0:25:57.840 it's understand about and how many how many former athletes 0:25:58.119 --> 0:26:03.920 have become district any niece do you think, Like, I'm just. 0:26:04.240 --> 0:26:06.680 Yeah, they usually buy like car washes or Chick fil 0:26:06.680 --> 0:26:10.119 a is so or like coach or whatever. But like 0:26:10.160 --> 0:26:12.119 it's just so funny to me that it's like he's 0:26:12.280 --> 0:26:14.000 walking from court and it's like you used to play 0:26:14.040 --> 0:26:16.600 for the cubs like I don't know. I guess definitely 0:26:16.640 --> 0:26:21.040 a part of his lore, but yeah, I'm curious. Let 0:26:21.119 --> 0:26:25.080 us know, guys sports nuts, any sports nuts. So he's 0:26:25.080 --> 0:26:28.439 getting up, he's groggy, it's fun. He's like leather couch 0:26:28.800 --> 0:26:31.080 and Finn's standing over him with their drink. It looks 0:26:31.119 --> 0:26:34.320 like maybe some headache medicine for the hangover. But to me, 0:26:34.400 --> 0:26:37.000 I'm like, did you keep partying after the accusation or 0:26:37.040 --> 0:26:39.160 did you go home? Like because he didn't seem that waste, 0:26:39.160 --> 0:26:41.600 like did he get me the sign? 0:26:41.680 --> 0:26:45.600 Felt Jujubi's situation, like did he still try to hang 0:26:45.640 --> 0:26:46.840 out with the other girl? 0:26:47.200 --> 0:26:50.040 And why are you at Finns? Like were you you 0:26:50.080 --> 0:26:51.920 couldn't make it to your own apartment, but you could 0:26:51.920 --> 0:26:54.480 make it to Finns. Like if your hou wants to 0:26:54.480 --> 0:26:57.119 get to the bottom of it, oh okay, because if 0:26:57.160 --> 0:26:59.280 you're out with somebody, I could see, Oh I'm so 0:26:59.320 --> 0:27:00.800 fucked up. I'm just go back to your place, Like 0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:03.000 let's go back to your place or whatever. But not 0:27:03.119 --> 0:27:04.399 if you're like out with a girl and you're just 0:27:04.400 --> 0:27:06.320 like I'm gonna go to my buddy's house, I'm fucked up. 0:27:06.320 --> 0:27:08.760 Like we're after the rape accusation. Did he say bye 0:27:08.760 --> 0:27:11.000 to that girl? Do they still exchange numbers? 0:27:11.200 --> 0:27:14.120 Like, I don't. I just he didn't seem that drunk 0:27:14.119 --> 0:27:17.240 when we met him. Yeah, but I didn't kill the vibe. 0:27:17.280 --> 0:27:19.480 Did the rape accusation kill the vibe? Is what we 0:27:19.560 --> 0:27:19.959 want to know. 0:27:20.640 --> 0:27:24.880 But he tells Finn everything explains what happened, and he's 0:27:25.040 --> 0:27:27.240 he says he didn't do it, but it was twelve 0:27:27.320 --> 0:27:29.600 years ago. It was a last season game against the Mets, 0:27:30.000 --> 0:27:31.760 and a few guys went to the bar. There was 0:27:31.800 --> 0:27:35.679 a woman there. It's the slapper. Obviously he was drunk 0:27:35.880 --> 0:27:38.760 and they all went back to like the hotel. He 0:27:38.840 --> 0:27:41.639 remembers going at it with her hot and heavy. But 0:27:41.720 --> 0:27:43.919 when he woke up, he was in bed alone and 0:27:44.040 --> 0:27:46.320 everyone else was gone. And he called her the next 0:27:46.400 --> 0:27:48.680 day and she said, try to talk to me again, 0:27:48.720 --> 0:27:51.360 and I'll go to the police. And so Finn demands 0:27:51.359 --> 0:27:53.520 to make sure he's not lying, like, tell me the truth, 0:27:53.560 --> 0:27:55.200 tell me the truth, let me know, and he's like, 0:27:55.240 --> 0:27:57.199 I didn't rape anyone, but I also don't remember, so 0:27:57.280 --> 0:27:59.719 like if I did rape someone, eat So then Benson 0:27:59.720 --> 0:28:03.399 and ros are talking to the woman from the beginning 0:28:03.400 --> 0:28:06.320 court case and they send her on her way with 0:28:06.400 --> 0:28:09.200 some comforting words, and Benson direx rowins to go find 0:28:09.200 --> 0:28:12.280 more evidence and surveillance for that case. And now we 0:28:12.359 --> 0:28:15.000 cut to a man being super excited to see Stone. 0:28:15.359 --> 0:28:19.760 He's a bartender, Beard just like two thousand and six. 0:28:19.840 --> 0:28:21.040 I remember the games. 0:28:21.440 --> 0:28:24.280 So I guess this former baseball player he opened a 0:28:24.320 --> 0:28:27.399 bar in New York or manages it. That probably bought 0:28:27.400 --> 0:28:29.760 it with the money. Yeah, right, a sports bar. Yeah 0:28:29.760 --> 0:28:31.800 that makes sense. Yeah, I guess I don't know. 0:28:31.800 --> 0:28:37.560 Okay, So he's like, oh six patron Dan Perion, and 0:28:37.600 --> 0:28:40.640 I'm like, I remember the patron days. And then so 0:28:40.720 --> 0:28:44.440 then he goes, I remember everything that night, and he goes, 0:28:44.560 --> 0:28:47.000 I married her, And so he like married the girl 0:28:47.040 --> 0:28:48.640 he met that night, best night of his life. 0:28:48.840 --> 0:28:52.080 Her name's Wanda, and I love where that went, you 0:28:52.120 --> 0:28:55.040 know what I mean, And then anticipate like a cute 0:28:55.080 --> 0:28:57.720 married night out and the background of his phone's the wife. 0:28:57.800 --> 0:28:58.560 That's just nice. 0:28:58.640 --> 0:29:00.520 So but then they're like, oh my god, do you 0:29:00.520 --> 0:29:03.520 think your wife would have information on this accuser that 0:29:03.560 --> 0:29:07.080 we have, and and she does. So it's Sarah Kent 0:29:07.280 --> 0:29:10.280 and she lives in Bushwick. So we go to Bushwick. 0:29:10.480 --> 0:29:13.200 It looks actually like the suburbs, and Queen's like, I don't, 0:29:14.640 --> 0:29:17.760 but I guess there could be single family homes in 0:29:17.800 --> 0:29:20.120 Bushwick that I don't know about. Obviously I don't really 0:29:20.160 --> 0:29:20.760 go there. 0:29:21.360 --> 0:29:24.320 So I honestly don't know the last time I've been 0:29:24.320 --> 0:29:27.160 to Bushwick. I for I would go there once in 0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:33.080 a while for like that freakin Life show. Oh yeah, 0:29:33.080 --> 0:29:33.840 the Cobra Club. 0:29:33.920 --> 0:29:36.840 Yeah, Cobroo Club, some of the worst bathrooms in New 0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:41.960 York City. Finn is like, are you sure you want 0:29:42.000 --> 0:29:45.080 to do this, and he's like, yeah, I know it's wrong, 0:29:45.360 --> 0:29:47.280 and let's you know, we got to get down to 0:29:47.320 --> 0:29:50.760 the bottom of it. Before Finn goes, Stone asks him 0:29:50.760 --> 0:29:52.880 not to tell Benson about it yet though, and Finn 0:29:52.880 --> 0:29:55.560 go's knocking at Kent's place. She lies to her husband 0:29:55.560 --> 0:29:58.240 and says it's a Jehovah's witness, but steps out to 0:29:58.280 --> 0:30:01.240 talk to Finn after he mentioned stuff. She says, I 0:30:01.280 --> 0:30:03.680 never want to hear that name, and don't come back, 0:30:03.760 --> 0:30:05.800 and then she goes back inside, and then Finn spies 0:30:05.800 --> 0:30:08.680 on her like a ghost of Christmas pass looking at 0:30:08.720 --> 0:30:11.479 like a family enjoying dinner, you know, like questioning all 0:30:11.520 --> 0:30:14.920 his choices, and she is like very mom in the burbs. 0:30:14.960 --> 0:30:17.160 She's wearing black leggings, like all of this is just 0:30:17.240 --> 0:30:19.560 kind of perfect, besides you know, the rape. 0:30:20.200 --> 0:30:23.120 So then Rollins is eating steak leftovers for lunch because 0:30:23.200 --> 0:30:27.520 Al always over orders, she explains, and Carisee's like, ah, fuck, 0:30:27.600 --> 0:30:29.600 I wanted to go to the deli with you. Fuck 0:30:29.640 --> 0:30:33.800 that guy, and she's like so she then tells Carisey like, 0:30:33.880 --> 0:30:37.440 you know, he we're gonna move in together, and he's pissed. 0:30:37.440 --> 0:30:39.640 He's like, after he lied to you? What the fuck? 0:30:39.760 --> 0:30:42.920 I hate this guy? And I don't remember the lying. 0:30:42.960 --> 0:30:45.840 What was the lying? Do you remember anything? There was 0:30:45.880 --> 0:30:48.480 like the time he's cheated on her, I think, and 0:30:48.640 --> 0:30:50.200 like there was like a time where he was like 0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:52.360 I want you back, I love you. And then like 0:30:52.440 --> 0:30:53.800 she goes to the bathroom when she comes back and 0:30:53.840 --> 0:30:55.800 he's like getting a waitress phone number. Like he seems 0:30:55.800 --> 0:30:59.080 like a fuck boy, you know, got it, gotta gotta 0:30:59.120 --> 0:31:02.000 got it. Okay, So Crisey's not into it. He's also 0:31:02.040 --> 0:31:03.480 like fully in love with her. We all know that. 0:31:03.640 --> 0:31:06.600 So and we end up together. It's like I hate 0:31:07.000 --> 0:31:10.360 dealing with certain things sometimes. So Robin's is like, I mean, 0:31:10.400 --> 0:31:11.760 it would be nice to just like live in a 0:31:11.800 --> 0:31:14.440 big apartment with a rich guy. And Creasey's like, shut up, 0:31:14.720 --> 0:31:16.760 like is even going to marry you? And then she 0:31:16.800 --> 0:31:19.760 says shut up. And then he says, you deserve to 0:31:19.800 --> 0:31:22.040 be happy and taken care of, and she goes, he 0:31:22.080 --> 0:31:24.120 does take care of me, and he goes, there's a 0:31:24.160 --> 0:31:26.959 difference between flowers and dinner and being taken care of. 0:31:27.120 --> 0:31:29.719 She brushes him off, and then he proves to her 0:31:29.840 --> 0:31:31.600 how caring he is by saying, I'm going to get 0:31:31.640 --> 0:31:34.320 you a ginger ale because you're gonna have stomach issues 0:31:34.360 --> 0:31:35.560 from your expensive steak. 0:31:35.640 --> 0:31:37.440 Is that what he was getting out? Like, I don't know. 0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:39.440 I thought I thought she was pregnant here, but maybe 0:31:39.480 --> 0:31:41.560 I'm am I crazy. I really thought she was pregnant. 0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:43.640 No, but I'm telling you, like something, I just can't 0:31:43.680 --> 0:31:46.520 deal with certain things. And that's and that's this storyline, 0:31:47.280 --> 0:31:49.440 like I can't do it. I do enough for this 0:31:49.520 --> 0:31:52.760 podcast and learning about when she's pregnant and what al 0:31:52.840 --> 0:31:54.520 said to her part timeline. 0:31:54.840 --> 0:31:57.560 The timelines of Amanda's various pregnancies do not need to 0:31:57.600 --> 0:32:00.200 be involved. It's like every few years It's like she's 0:32:00.240 --> 0:32:03.080 either pregnant, her sister's ruining her life, or she's ruining 0:32:03.120 --> 0:32:06.720 the priescincts life, you know what I mean, Like yeah, 0:32:06.840 --> 0:32:09.560 or Cariese's you know, breaking his heart time after time. 0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:12.400 So anyways, so he goes to get a ginger all 0:32:12.480 --> 0:32:15.600 and now we cut to Stone. He is going to court, 0:32:15.640 --> 0:32:18.240 and Benson and Stone do a gorgeous walk and talk 0:32:18.280 --> 0:32:20.960 through the marble, talking details of the case. And it's 0:32:20.960 --> 0:32:21.880 a drunk situation. 0:32:22.040 --> 0:32:24.440 So nobody believes the girl, obviously, but they believe the 0:32:24.520 --> 0:32:27.240 drunk guy. And Benson goes, do you think she would 0:32:27.280 --> 0:32:28.120 make all this up? 0:32:28.160 --> 0:32:28.240 Like? 0:32:28.280 --> 0:32:30.680 Does this seem fun to you? This investigation? You think 0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:35.280 this trial's just for kicks? And Benson goes, he's guilty Peter, 0:32:35.640 --> 0:32:38.520 and Peter's thinking about his own rape and then Benson's 0:32:38.560 --> 0:32:40.720 a detective and catches it and he blames it on 0:32:40.840 --> 0:32:44.120 lack of sleep. So now the victim's on the stand, 0:32:44.200 --> 0:32:47.440 she's being brave and Stone is helping her through her testimony. 0:32:48.000 --> 0:32:51.000 And now the rapist, I mean, whatever is it mean 0:32:51.040 --> 0:32:51.479 to call her? 0:32:51.520 --> 0:32:51.680 This? 0:32:51.960 --> 0:32:58.120 The blonde butch blonde butch body bitch defense attorney. I 0:32:58.200 --> 0:33:02.200 hate her, so much so like the rapist defense attorney's like, 0:33:02.280 --> 0:33:04.960 you're a drunk bitch, so maybe you did consent and forgot. 0:33:05.040 --> 0:33:05.560 How about that? 0:33:06.000 --> 0:33:08.480 And she's like, fuck you think I want to be here. 0:33:08.520 --> 0:33:10.320 I'm here to try to get my life back by 0:33:10.360 --> 0:33:13.320 confronting the man who did this to me. And this 0:33:13.440 --> 0:33:16.080 really hits Peter and he runs to Benson's apartment in 0:33:16.120 --> 0:33:18.440 the middle of the night. She's in a robe, and 0:33:18.480 --> 0:33:22.240 he's like, hey, listen, I've been accused of sexual assault 0:33:22.240 --> 0:33:25.160 from twelve years ago. I was drunk, but in my bones, 0:33:25.440 --> 0:33:28.440 soul and heart, he did and rape her, That's what 0:33:28.480 --> 0:33:31.600 he says. Benson's like, well, she said you did, and 0:33:31.680 --> 0:33:34.000 he says, well, that's not who I am. Drunk or not, 0:33:34.120 --> 0:33:36.080 I swear to God I didn't do this. And Benson's 0:33:36.080 --> 0:33:39.320 thinking taking it in and he asked if she believes him, 0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:43.640 and she's like yeah, but like not really, so she 0:33:43.720 --> 0:33:46.160 says it's not that simple. He said, oh, because it's 0:33:46.200 --> 0:33:47.880 your job to believe her, and she's like, no, I 0:33:47.920 --> 0:33:49.400 need to talk to her though and see what she 0:33:49.440 --> 0:33:51.640 says to get to the truth. And if you want 0:33:51.640 --> 0:33:54.280 something else, you came to the wrong person. And he goes, no, 0:33:54.400 --> 0:33:56.360 I'm not asking for any of this to go away. 0:33:56.680 --> 0:33:59.800 I want the truth too, I want an open investigation. 0:34:00.520 --> 0:34:04.880 He's gonna regret that. The music's dramatic. Benson's face is beautiful. 0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:07.520 Rollin's Finn and creas here in the break room and 0:34:07.560 --> 0:34:11.160 Finn is questioning Peter and the other two trust Peter, 0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:15.399 and Finn's like, she definitely believes he did it, and Creasey's. 0:34:14.840 --> 0:34:18.080 Like whatever, okay. 0:34:18.120 --> 0:34:21.080 So then Rollins is like, this sucks, but it happens, 0:34:21.239 --> 0:34:24.480 and he's like, no, this you know, if a bus 0:34:24.600 --> 0:34:26.960 full of nuns said that he was somewhere else. In 0:34:27.000 --> 0:34:29.239 the back of my mind, I'll always question. 0:34:29.040 --> 0:34:31.560 If he raped. That's what sucks. Like we need to 0:34:31.600 --> 0:34:33.480 get to the bottom of it, or I'll always have 0:34:33.560 --> 0:34:36.760 this suspicion that he's a rapist. And like, yeah, Creasey's 0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:39.240 just like making it about him, okay. So then Benson 0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:43.520 goes to talk to Sarah. She's livid, but like Benson 0:34:43.560 --> 0:34:46.000 wants to investigate. So there's like nothing Sarah can do, 0:34:46.040 --> 0:34:47.880 and I think she realizes that. So they're at the 0:34:47.920 --> 0:34:50.200 kitchen table and she's like, listen, it was a long 0:34:50.200 --> 0:34:52.840 time ago. We were both drinking and then husband walks in. 0:34:52.880 --> 0:34:53.439 Who is it. 0:34:53.440 --> 0:34:57.480 It's Bruno in one of his five other characters, Kevin Kane, 0:34:58.800 --> 0:35:01.800 friend of the pod. So she tells him about the 0:35:01.880 --> 0:35:05.520 rape and then she's like, you know, we're not pressing 0:35:05.600 --> 0:35:09.040 charges and he's like, the fuck we aren't. We're getting 0:35:09.040 --> 0:35:12.600 this motherfucker. If anyone raped you, we're murdering everyone. And 0:35:12.640 --> 0:35:15.880 then she says sorry. He's like no, sorry, and she's 0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:18.000 like just drop it. And he's like, do you know 0:35:18.040 --> 0:35:21.760 who did it? And then it's silence, and then he goes, well, 0:35:21.800 --> 0:35:23.799 we're gonna do whatever it takes to put this guy 0:35:23.840 --> 0:35:26.319 in jail. So now Carisy and Rollins are at the 0:35:26.360 --> 0:35:29.799 lockers and Sarah and Benson are on their way to 0:35:29.960 --> 0:35:32.000 the precinct. But like, everyone's having a hard time with 0:35:32.040 --> 0:35:34.080 this case. Obviously it's like one of their own. And 0:35:34.120 --> 0:35:37.040 Creasy's like, our job is to believe survivors, but I 0:35:37.080 --> 0:35:40.880 believe him, and like that feels wrong, and Rollins is like, well, 0:35:41.160 --> 0:35:44.360 you know. Rollind tells him that he was right about 0:35:44.400 --> 0:35:48.080 not living with al Okay, he goes, no, no, no, 0:35:48.120 --> 0:35:50.120 don't listen to me. Do what's right for your babies 0:35:50.120 --> 0:35:54.879 and family. Live with this weird rich doctor and yeah, 0:35:54.880 --> 0:35:57.799 I don't know, Wait, why did this switch so fast? 0:35:58.880 --> 0:36:01.360 We never see this guy again this episode? And she's 0:36:01.400 --> 0:36:02.040 switching it up. 0:36:02.840 --> 0:36:06.440 Well, there is another there's a deleted scene from this 0:36:06.520 --> 0:36:09.200 episode that I looked up. Oh my god, Caara, how 0:36:09.200 --> 0:36:11.000 did you know to look it up? What the fuck 0:36:11.120 --> 0:36:14.680 it was in the wiki? So let me send it 0:36:14.719 --> 0:36:17.359 to you right now. It's no, just tell us, I'm 0:36:17.400 --> 0:36:20.319 not watching it. Tell us, tell us. It's two. It's 0:36:20.360 --> 0:36:23.560 a minute and a half long, but it's basically she 0:36:23.680 --> 0:36:28.239 goes to have dinner with Al and there she's making 0:36:28.320 --> 0:36:30.200 fun of like the shitty puts on his burger, like, 0:36:30.320 --> 0:36:32.360 and he's like, even though I'm a doctor and I 0:36:32.360 --> 0:36:34.640 tell people to eat well, I actually love pizza and 0:36:34.640 --> 0:36:37.040 burgers and chicken wings. And it's like, I don't know, 0:36:37.080 --> 0:36:39.040 he's like trying to. It feels like he's trying to 0:36:39.120 --> 0:36:43.080 kind of make himself more Joe Joe public for rollins, 0:36:43.719 --> 0:36:49.400 and she's like seeing through it. But then a girl 0:36:49.400 --> 0:36:52.080 at the table next to them, a little girl, starts choking, 0:36:52.719 --> 0:36:55.040 and Al gets up and like gives her the heimlick. 0:36:55.160 --> 0:36:58.160 It's very un I can see why they cut the scene, 0:36:58.200 --> 0:37:01.600 it's like it looks very staged, like not good, and 0:37:02.080 --> 0:37:05.640 then saves this little girl and the woman's like, thank 0:37:05.680 --> 0:37:07.560 you so much or whatever, and then she sits down 0:37:07.560 --> 0:37:09.600 and goes, so, when can I move any And he 0:37:09.640 --> 0:37:11.120 sits back down and she goes, so, when can I 0:37:11.160 --> 0:37:14.239 move in? So it's like just seeing him be like 0:37:14.800 --> 0:37:18.399 competent and like a caregiver makes her want to move in. 0:37:19.200 --> 0:37:22.879 But then I think later in the episode, I think 0:37:22.920 --> 0:37:24.680 he's in this episode again, isn't he? Don't they have 0:37:24.680 --> 0:37:25.400 another dinner. 0:37:25.600 --> 0:37:27.239 I thought you're gonna tell me something that led to 0:37:27.280 --> 0:37:28.560 her changing her mind. 0:37:29.360 --> 0:37:31.480 That's what I don't know, but that's what I'm saying. 0:37:31.520 --> 0:37:33.239 I think there's another scene that leads her to change 0:37:33.239 --> 0:37:37.399 her mind or something, because in this choking scene, she's 0:37:37.440 --> 0:37:40.080 like all in. But maybe it's just the conversations. Maybe 0:37:40.080 --> 0:37:41.960 that's why they cut it, and they just want Careese 0:37:42.200 --> 0:37:45.000 to be the reason that she's not doing it, like 0:37:45.640 --> 0:37:50.319 cause Careese more like knows, you know. She's like like 0:37:50.360 --> 0:37:52.840 there's all this shit where she's like, oh, we didn't 0:37:52.840 --> 0:37:57.040 really have you know, blah blah blah. Back in Georgia, 0:37:57.200 --> 0:37:59.879 A truffles like they have a whole conversation about truffles, right, 0:38:00.480 --> 0:38:03.239 and she's like more like and he's like shrimp and grits, right, 0:38:03.320 --> 0:38:07.600 Like he's trying to do his homework about who she is. Yeah, 0:38:07.640 --> 0:38:10.080 and I don't think she's buying it, but. 0:38:10.760 --> 0:38:13.000 Because I bet, if I bet if they ended up together, 0:38:13.040 --> 0:38:14.359 he'd be like, you should quit your job. 0:38:14.680 --> 0:38:16.200 Oh yeah, he'd be like, you don't need to work 0:38:16.200 --> 0:38:23.080 anymore for sure. Also, I think it's interesting that Carreese 0:38:23.640 --> 0:38:25.600 is like having such a hard time with this because 0:38:25.600 --> 0:38:27.239 it's like so many guys we know, it's like how 0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:28.879 we talk to guys. And I'm like, if you don't 0:38:28.920 --> 0:38:30.560 think that you're not friends with a bunch of guys 0:38:30.560 --> 0:38:33.040 who have like sexually assaulted a woman before, you're crazy. 0:38:33.360 --> 0:38:34.959 And you can talk to guys that are like, no way, 0:38:35.040 --> 0:38:37.320 not my friends. And like that's kind of like Cariese's 0:38:37.360 --> 0:38:41.400 thing here, even though he's a professional SVU detective turned 0:38:42.040 --> 0:38:45.000 ADA in training or whatever he is at this point. Yeah, 0:38:45.160 --> 0:38:45.880 so annoying. 0:38:50.280 --> 0:38:53.239 Well, and now we're moving right right over to wood 0:38:53.280 --> 0:38:56.080 room blinds from that, and her husband was out of 0:38:56.080 --> 0:38:59.760 town in Hawaii with his dad golfing. That's Kevin Kane 0:38:59.760 --> 0:39:01.600 and so she went out to be slutty with some 0:39:01.640 --> 0:39:07.120 baseball guys. She says Peterstone was so nice, and Benson's like, okay, well, 0:39:07.160 --> 0:39:08.920 you know, walk us through the night and she's like 0:39:08.960 --> 0:39:12.120 having fun, drinking and dancing, flirting. She's like, I remember kissing. 0:39:12.560 --> 0:39:14.279 It was okay at first, but then she's like he 0:39:14.360 --> 0:39:16.200 became different, not as nice. 0:39:16.760 --> 0:39:18.080 And then one of the guys. 0:39:17.800 --> 0:39:20.160 And Peter, they were both on the bed, but we 0:39:20.239 --> 0:39:22.799 don't remember who this other guy is, so we have 0:39:22.880 --> 0:39:25.440 to find him. And then she passed down and she 0:39:25.480 --> 0:39:27.400 said she woke up, she was naked, she knew she 0:39:27.440 --> 0:39:29.239 had sex, and Peter was on the bed and she 0:39:29.280 --> 0:39:32.160 did not say yes. And so Benson asks, are you 0:39:32.280 --> 0:39:35.160 saying Peter Stone assaulted you? And she says, yes, I 0:39:35.160 --> 0:39:37.080 didn't want to have sex. I would never do that 0:39:37.120 --> 0:39:40.399 to Gary. So you know, they were having a rough 0:39:40.440 --> 0:39:43.000 patch and you know they're happy now, but they were 0:39:43.000 --> 0:39:46.759 having issues. And Gary is with Caresy asking advice for 0:39:47.440 --> 0:39:49.680 dopes like him that didn't know their wives were raped. 0:39:50.160 --> 0:39:51.520 I don't know if like dope is the. 0:39:51.480 --> 0:39:55.200 Word, and he's like, wow, seems tough and he and 0:39:55.239 --> 0:39:57.919 he goes, she never told me what does that mean? 0:39:58.400 --> 0:40:00.319 And Carisey's like, well, it doesn't mean she he doesn't 0:40:00.360 --> 0:40:02.160 love or trust you, and He's like, fuck, I was 0:40:02.200 --> 0:40:05.560 golfing at that time, and I'll never forgive myself. He says, 0:40:05.600 --> 0:40:08.840 think about her right now. Thank you, Creesy, Thank you Creesy. 0:40:09.760 --> 0:40:12.160 Think about her right now more than ever. She needs 0:40:12.280 --> 0:40:17.800 your support, right It's not really about yourself. So Benson 0:40:17.880 --> 0:40:20.399 is staring into the distance and Finn's like, you want 0:40:20.440 --> 0:40:22.120 me to do it? And she's like, is it any 0:40:22.160 --> 0:40:24.879 easier for you? So they go do a little knock 0:40:24.960 --> 0:40:28.600 knock Peter's big office. They spoke Sarah. He scoffs, I 0:40:28.600 --> 0:40:31.920 would say basically. Benson's like, Sarah said that you know, 0:40:31.960 --> 0:40:34.120 he rapes her and the husband wants to press charges. 0:40:34.560 --> 0:40:37.080 She's being more cold with him for sure, because you 0:40:37.120 --> 0:40:40.319 know the story is credible. And he says, you said 0:40:40.360 --> 0:40:42.879 you believed me, and she responds, while I also believe her, 0:40:43.280 --> 0:40:45.839 And if this was anybody else, you wouldn't you know, 0:40:45.880 --> 0:40:48.640 we wouldn't be having this convo. And he goes, wow, 0:40:49.080 --> 0:40:51.560 you're just gonna arrest me now, and Benson goes, well, 0:40:51.640 --> 0:40:54.919 I have to. And it's also like, you did this 0:40:55.800 --> 0:40:59.440 you asked for the investigations, like what it is you 0:40:59.560 --> 0:41:02.640 just thought it would be like whambam, you're done. 0:41:03.680 --> 0:41:07.760 Yeah. But this is also so the SVU world of justice, 0:41:07.800 --> 0:41:10.600 where like something that happened twelve years ago, where there's 0:41:10.680 --> 0:41:13.040 kind of like no evidence of it at all. I 0:41:14.400 --> 0:41:15.840 hate to say it, but like, I don't think they 0:41:15.840 --> 0:41:17.560 would be arresting him. I think they'd be like, can 0:41:17.560 --> 0:41:19.759 we bring you in for questioning, can we get your 0:41:19.800 --> 0:41:22.120 side or whatever, like on the record. But I don't 0:41:22.120 --> 0:41:25.280 know if he would be arrested quite yet, just based 0:41:25.280 --> 0:41:28.359 off of a woman's accusation from twelve years ago in 0:41:28.400 --> 0:41:33.640 a different state and city. Yes, yes, yes that's true. 0:41:33.680 --> 0:41:37.360 He'd be extradited to Illinois, damn. 0:41:37.880 --> 0:41:41.200 So Finn is like, you should get a lawyer, and 0:41:41.239 --> 0:41:43.520 he goes, I am a lawyer, and it's like okay, 0:41:43.880 --> 0:41:46.120 semantics like you're not going to you know, you can't 0:41:46.520 --> 0:41:47.040 stop it. 0:41:47.160 --> 0:41:49.960 You need to call a lawyer. She's like, how do 0:41:50.000 --> 0:41:50.560 you want to do this? 0:41:50.640 --> 0:41:53.319 He stands out, grabs his jacket aggressively, and walks out 0:41:53.320 --> 0:41:56.600 the door. So we're at the next morning. Careesy walks 0:41:56.640 --> 0:42:00.279 into the precinct and lets Benson know that Stone been 0:42:00.320 --> 0:42:03.160 released to roar, and she's like, yeah, I've heard, thank you. 0:42:03.400 --> 0:42:04.320 I'm like in charge. 0:42:05.120 --> 0:42:07.480 He asked that she's testifying, and she says, if she 0:42:07.520 --> 0:42:10.120 wants to stay married, she is weird. 0:42:10.920 --> 0:42:14.080 That's a weird comment, Like Gary will divorce her if 0:42:14.080 --> 0:42:17.560 she doesn't prosecute her rapist or testify. That's weird. 0:42:18.239 --> 0:42:20.439 He's acting like a baby, and she's like I hate 0:42:20.440 --> 0:42:23.200 this too, like stop being annoying or not the only one. 0:42:23.320 --> 0:42:25.319 And he's like, come on, can we give him the 0:42:25.320 --> 0:42:27.799 benefit of the doubt? And she goes what about her? 0:42:28.320 --> 0:42:29.359 Like what about what. 0:42:29.440 --> 0:42:30.320 She's going through? 0:42:30.880 --> 0:42:33.399 And she's like, I mean she feels guilty for going 0:42:33.400 --> 0:42:35.520 out and not reporting and do and like doing it 0:42:35.600 --> 0:42:38.000 during a rough patch, and so Crazy's like, well what 0:42:38.040 --> 0:42:39.960 do you mean rough patch? The husband said, they're like 0:42:40.000 --> 0:42:42.800 so madly in love. It's like both can be true. 0:42:42.880 --> 0:42:44.880 This was a while ago, they've been together. It seems 0:42:44.920 --> 0:42:47.680 like for a long time, like I don't know. Everyone 0:42:47.800 --> 0:42:50.120 just seems to like a chunk of their brain goes 0:42:50.120 --> 0:42:53.360 missing at every case, like where they forget everything else, 0:42:53.520 --> 0:42:57.799 Like yes, but yeah, but they they've poke a hole 0:42:57.840 --> 0:42:59.560 through this. Because he didn't mention they were having a 0:42:59.640 --> 0:43:03.319 rough pat that moment. Stone is at the bar and 0:43:03.560 --> 0:43:08.080 who's next to him. It's Gary not good, so he goes, hey, 0:43:08.120 --> 0:43:12.000 I'm Gary Kent and you know, and so then Peter goes, 0:43:12.000 --> 0:43:13.960 for what it's worth, I didn't know she was married. 0:43:15.200 --> 0:43:18.800 Terrible thing to say. He's like, hey, what are you 0:43:18.840 --> 0:43:19.239 gonna do? 0:43:19.719 --> 0:43:22.520 He's like, I didn't do anything to her, and then 0:43:22.680 --> 0:43:25.160 he's like, yeah, you know, all you ballplayers, that's just 0:43:25.239 --> 0:43:28.279 what you do. A different girl in every port. And 0:43:28.320 --> 0:43:30.400 then Stone tries to leave and Gary's like, come on, 0:43:30.480 --> 0:43:33.840 at least have a drink with me, and he starts 0:43:33.880 --> 0:43:37.560 reminiscing about college and meeting her, and he's just like, oh, 0:43:37.600 --> 0:43:39.960 I was staring at the back of her neck. Oh 0:43:39.960 --> 0:43:42.120 when you raped her? What did you see? Her neck? 0:43:42.239 --> 0:43:44.880 Was her hair up? And the bartender beard guy, the friend, 0:43:44.960 --> 0:43:46.960 he's like, hey yo yo yo, friend like chill out, 0:43:47.040 --> 0:43:50.439 chill out, and he stands up drunk, screaming and goes, 0:43:50.600 --> 0:43:53.520 oh cool, he played for the Cubs, and Peter goes 0:43:53.600 --> 0:43:57.560 nobody cares, and he screams, I cared this guy in 0:43:57.600 --> 0:44:02.400 a nice suit raped my wife. And the bartenders like relax, 0:44:02.640 --> 0:44:05.640 and then he goes okay, yeah, nobody cares about my problems, 0:44:06.000 --> 0:44:09.160 and Peter says, I'm gonna go. Gary takes out a gun, 0:44:09.360 --> 0:44:12.120 goes sit down and shut up, So Peter obviously has 0:44:12.120 --> 0:44:14.439 no choice. There is a gun, so he does sit down. 0:44:14.800 --> 0:44:17.520 Gary screams for everybody else to get out, and the 0:44:17.680 --> 0:44:21.319 whole bar empties quickly. Even his bearded friend sprints out 0:44:21.360 --> 0:44:23.560 of there, hops over the bar like. 0:44:23.520 --> 0:44:24.960 He's doing hurdles. 0:44:25.040 --> 0:44:28.920 Okay, and so he screams, that guy that raped my 0:44:29.000 --> 0:44:30.680 wife and I are gonna have a heart to heart. 0:44:30.760 --> 0:44:33.560 As he like empties the bar out, he drinks a 0:44:33.560 --> 0:44:36.280 beer while holding a gun kind of looks cool. Stone 0:44:36.320 --> 0:44:38.400 says I might be a dick, but I'm not a rapist, 0:44:38.480 --> 0:44:40.400 and he goes, okay, so what you're saying is the 0:44:40.440 --> 0:44:44.080 mother of my child just fucked you willingly. And he's like, well, 0:44:44.080 --> 0:44:45.919 I don't really remember, and he goes, of course you don't, 0:44:46.000 --> 0:44:49.880 just sad, nameless and faceless piece of ass, and Peter goes, 0:44:50.000 --> 0:44:51.840 I never said that, and he goes, she meant nothing 0:44:51.840 --> 0:44:53.360 to you, but she's a goddess. 0:44:53.480 --> 0:44:55.880 And it's like a really funny line read like I 0:44:55.880 --> 0:44:58.360 know it's serious. In the smith of a mental collapse, 0:44:58.480 --> 0:45:01.440 but it's just like really funny to me. But he cries, 0:45:01.640 --> 0:45:04.279 and then you know, when she agreed to marry me, 0:45:04.360 --> 0:45:07.319 I almost passed out. I was so happy and I 0:45:07.360 --> 0:45:09.560 couldn't protect her them, but I'm gonna do it now 0:45:09.640 --> 0:45:12.600 by making sure I serve eight years in prison. So 0:45:13.080 --> 0:45:16.640 Stone says, be smart, let the justice system work this out, 0:45:16.640 --> 0:45:20.160 and he goes that, fuck justice, I want revenge. He 0:45:20.200 --> 0:45:22.359 starts saying how he wants his daughter to feel safe 0:45:22.360 --> 0:45:25.400 without guys like him. But it's like, you are waving 0:45:25.440 --> 0:45:28.640 a gun at a bar, like I'm just this is 0:45:28.680 --> 0:45:30.160 the kind of guy you want your daughter to end 0:45:30.200 --> 0:45:33.439 up with. Like you're gonna lose some parental rights, I think. Yeah. 0:45:34.040 --> 0:45:36.800 So the phone rings, Stone's like, well, it's probably the cops. 0:45:37.080 --> 0:45:40.479 The sirens start blaring from outside, so we know things 0:45:40.520 --> 0:45:43.399 are getting moven. Stone's like, the last thing you want 0:45:43.480 --> 0:45:46.600 is a swat team bursting through that door. So he 0:45:46.719 --> 0:45:50.440 lets Stone answer the phone. Peter does it very slowly, 0:45:50.920 --> 0:45:52.920 and I love that they were both on our podcast, 0:45:52.960 --> 0:45:55.320 and then they're both in this intense scene. 0:45:55.600 --> 0:45:58.719 Oh yeah, cool. I don't know if we talk to 0:45:58.760 --> 0:46:00.520 either of them about this one we. 0:46:00.480 --> 0:46:01.959 Talked about all of it because I think I brought 0:46:02.000 --> 0:46:04.520 up this goddess line because it's so humiliating and funny. 0:46:04.560 --> 0:46:04.799 Ha ha. 0:46:05.200 --> 0:46:07.640 But I also watched all these episodes. There's no way 0:46:07.680 --> 0:46:08.560 I didn't bring it up. 0:46:08.600 --> 0:46:10.880 But maybe we have. For Peter Stoney more focused on 0:46:10.920 --> 0:46:12.200 his thresome scenes, you know. 0:46:12.440 --> 0:46:14.960 Yeah, Well for the Kevin Kane episode, do you remember 0:46:15.040 --> 0:46:18.399 he talked about how his brother took a picture of 0:46:18.440 --> 0:46:22.000 the scene where he's holding a beer and a gun 0:46:22.160 --> 0:46:25.080 at somebody, and his brother texted that to him and said, 0:46:25.840 --> 0:46:28.640 this is you whenever somebody tries to leave a party early. 0:46:32.040 --> 0:46:37.680 Good one casey, I don't let you remember that. Hell yeah, 0:46:37.719 --> 0:46:39.479 oh my god, hell yah. 0:46:40.600 --> 0:46:46.440 So anyways, the phones gets answered and Benson's on the scene. 0:46:46.560 --> 0:46:49.319 Sarah and her daughter are there too. Benson meets them. 0:46:49.480 --> 0:46:53.799 Daughter says, my daddy would never hurt anybody. Honey, you 0:46:53.960 --> 0:46:55.839 got a lot to learn. So that I felt like I 0:46:55.920 --> 0:46:56.920 was shocked by the daughter. 0:46:57.000 --> 0:46:58.879 I didn't know they had one, Like, I didn't even 0:46:58.880 --> 0:47:00.960 I think when the daughter shows up there, I was like, 0:47:01.000 --> 0:47:03.600 did they like, did they did we see her before? 0:47:04.120 --> 0:47:04.319 Yeah? 0:47:04.360 --> 0:47:05.200 I knew about the daughter. 0:47:05.200 --> 0:47:06.959 I don't know why or how, but I've also saying 0:47:06.960 --> 0:47:10.120 that I can't tell you, Kara, like I've seen this 0:47:10.160 --> 0:47:12.640 episode so many like did I see it? 0:47:12.800 --> 0:47:15.200 Did I invent it? Did it happen? Did it not? 0:47:15.560 --> 0:47:17.479 I knew the daughter, I know it did the daughter 0:47:17.560 --> 0:47:20.439 shows up and I'm like they had like I thought 0:47:20.440 --> 0:47:22.560 it was a baby the whole time. So I was 0:47:22.680 --> 0:47:25.719 shocked at the age. And it Also she looks kind 0:47:25.760 --> 0:47:28.960 of like Apple Paltrow, Martin or whatever, Like she's like 0:47:29.000 --> 0:47:31.120 a really stunning, young, like. 0:47:32.680 --> 0:47:37.120 Social lite looking person. I would say, but who knows. 0:47:37.120 --> 0:47:40.480 She could be white trash, But I'm just saying she's 0:47:40.560 --> 0:47:44.160 kind of stunning, Like I feel like her mom's let's 0:47:44.160 --> 0:47:45.399 see who her parents are. 0:47:46.040 --> 0:47:49.840 I don't even Oh Carly Connors is her name. Oh yeah, 0:47:49.880 --> 0:47:54.399 she's very beautiful. Oh she was in The Goldfinch, which 0:47:54.400 --> 0:47:56.759 I never saw but I read the book. Oh okay, yeah, 0:47:56.760 --> 0:47:58.520 I don't know what that. Oh she only has two crowds, 0:47:58.560 --> 0:48:01.719 that's all she's done in the gold Bench. She's young, 0:48:01.800 --> 0:48:02.960 kitsy barber yep. 0:48:03.520 --> 0:48:07.680 Maybe oh no, she's where maybe she unts to college. 0:48:07.719 --> 0:48:09.240 But look at wait, what is that photo? 0:48:09.280 --> 0:48:12.120 Is that our brother? Like, oh, that's the Gold Finished premiere? 0:48:12.120 --> 0:48:18.200 Like those look like socialite children, you know what I mean. Yeah, oh, 0:48:18.400 --> 0:48:22.120 she follows. She's followed by Becca who was in the 0:48:22.120 --> 0:48:28.680 Book of Esther and Mike Doyle on Instagram, whoa cute Yeah, 0:48:28.719 --> 0:48:33.200 but she has a private profile. But yeah, almost ten 0:48:33.239 --> 0:48:36.799 thousand dollars should maybe be maybe get back into the game. 0:48:37.560 --> 0:48:42.239 Yeah, it's it's all I understand you thinking like, wait, 0:48:42.280 --> 0:48:43.719 where did she come from? Because I thought it was 0:48:43.760 --> 0:48:45.799 a baby until we saw her. But also like, yeah, 0:48:46.719 --> 0:48:50.440 why is she here? Why are you bringing her to 0:48:50.480 --> 0:48:51.400 a gun shootout? 0:48:52.400 --> 0:48:55.840 Maybe like that maybe making a neighbor, a trusted friend 0:48:55.880 --> 0:48:58.120 we could leave her with back in Bushwick. It's just 0:48:58.160 --> 0:49:00.520 like crazy to bring the daughter as the dad is 0:49:00.560 --> 0:49:03.520 like waving a gun in the air. So the daughter 0:49:03.600 --> 0:49:04.759 is still like stand up for her today. 0:49:04.800 --> 0:49:07.000 Okay, So the Benson goes to the man in charge, 0:49:07.040 --> 0:49:08.520 and I don't I think he was an extra and 0:49:08.600 --> 0:49:10.400 was not allowed to speak because he only like nodded 0:49:10.440 --> 0:49:12.160 and shook his head and stuff from a distance. It's 0:49:12.160 --> 0:49:15.560 in his uniform, Like I think, yeah, they really tried 0:49:15.560 --> 0:49:17.400 hard to make sure they didn't pay this man. So 0:49:19.560 --> 0:49:21.719 Benson's like, this is his wife, his kid, We need 0:49:21.719 --> 0:49:24.719 to speak to him. The man hands over the phone. 0:49:24.920 --> 0:49:27.720 She calls him. She's crying. The phone rings. He's making 0:49:27.760 --> 0:49:30.080 Stone look at photos of them together on his phone, 0:49:30.360 --> 0:49:32.400 talking about how she's the reason he gets up in 0:49:32.440 --> 0:49:32.880 the morning. 0:49:33.239 --> 0:49:35.600 This mel this man is not doing well. I would 0:49:35.640 --> 0:49:37.480 say this man is not doing well. It's a bit much. 0:49:38.200 --> 0:49:40.239 And he's getting ready to shoot Stone. As the phone 0:49:40.280 --> 0:49:42.799 is ringing again, he answers it. Stone's like, hey, it's free. 0:49:42.880 --> 0:49:43.000 Oh. 0:49:43.080 --> 0:49:45.719 She's like it's Sarah, babe, and we'll get through this, 0:49:45.840 --> 0:49:48.840 but don't hurt anybody. Emma's here. She's like, Daddy, I 0:49:48.920 --> 0:49:51.480 love you. This is gonna weigh on her, you know, 0:49:51.520 --> 0:49:54.480 the responsibility of making sure the dad like comes out 0:49:54.480 --> 0:49:57.319 of the hostage situation. So he cries. He loves her too. 0:49:57.840 --> 0:49:59.719 He wants you know, he's sorry, He's sorry, but he 0:49:59.719 --> 0:50:02.200 says he has to go. She doesn't want him to 0:50:02.239 --> 0:50:05.680 hang up. He makes Stone hang the phone back up, 0:50:05.719 --> 0:50:08.120 and I don't think he yeah again, I don't think 0:50:08.120 --> 0:50:12.719 Emma should be here. Grat So Gary also is like, 0:50:12.719 --> 0:50:16.920 why is Emma here? Like me and Gary are on 0:50:16.960 --> 0:50:20.480 the same page here, and Stone is like, because they 0:50:20.520 --> 0:50:22.759 need you and love you and want to be with you, 0:50:23.239 --> 0:50:26.400 and he walks out, arms out, and Emma's screaming daddy, 0:50:26.560 --> 0:50:30.000 but he's like chill as fuck, calm in a flannel chill, 0:50:30.080 --> 0:50:34.600 arrest Sarah and Emma run away. Okay, you waited, you 0:50:34.640 --> 0:50:38.240 brought her and run away for the other direction. Benson 0:50:38.280 --> 0:50:40.960 watches them leave, and then Stone runs out and says like, oh, 0:50:40.960 --> 0:50:44.000 I'm okay. And Benson's at her desk. There's a snow 0:50:44.000 --> 0:50:46.440 globe on her desk, and I like that. Finn walks in. 0:50:46.840 --> 0:50:50.520 Gun wasn't loaded, so that's good. So I think that's 0:50:50.560 --> 0:50:54.280 a lesser charge if the gun's not loaded. Maybe maybe not. Yeah, 0:50:54.360 --> 0:50:56.640 probably he borrowed it from her friend. But Stone's not 0:50:56.680 --> 0:50:59.040 pressing charges. He's like that's a good guy whatever. And 0:50:59.080 --> 0:51:00.359 Finn's like okay, well. 0:51:00.880 --> 0:51:03.120 Like is that how it works? Can you just go 0:51:03.200 --> 0:51:05.799 into a bar and make everybody leave by brandishing a 0:51:05.840 --> 0:51:08.560 gun and then if Stone doesn't press charges, it's all good? 0:51:09.640 --> 0:51:11.800 Like I think he still gets like a weird Maybe 0:51:11.800 --> 0:51:12.960 there's other charges. 0:51:13.360 --> 0:51:16.000 I don't know, right, Yeah, if I was one of 0:51:16.040 --> 0:51:17.719 the people that was had to run out of the 0:51:17.760 --> 0:51:19.919 bar because there was a gun and I was traumatized, 0:51:19.960 --> 0:51:21.360 like maybe I'll press charges. 0:51:21.800 --> 0:51:27.680 Yeah, can I press charges like why only? Yeah, criminal 0:51:27.719 --> 0:51:29.960 mischief something even like low grade. I don't even know 0:51:30.000 --> 0:51:32.120 what it would be. No, maybe something's happening. 0:51:32.760 --> 0:51:35.399 Yeah, I wish we got to the bottom of it. 0:51:35.920 --> 0:51:38.760 So Benson says, you know, Stone asked for this Careesy 0:51:38.880 --> 0:51:41.960 runs in, he goes the Department of Health is online 0:51:42.000 --> 0:51:46.160 one okay. He also calls her Loo for lieutenant, and 0:51:46.200 --> 0:51:48.280 I'd never heard that, and I thought that was cute. 0:51:48.560 --> 0:51:49.560 Yeah, I thought that was cute. 0:51:50.800 --> 0:51:54.360 And then Benson is shady, okay, so she asks for 0:51:54.440 --> 0:51:57.680 Emma's date of birth. So I don't know why, and 0:51:57.840 --> 0:51:59.759 you know what, like when she saw them on the 0:51:59.760 --> 0:52:01.640 scene and I could tell she was looking at them 0:52:01.719 --> 0:52:04.840 extra different. But like, I don't know why this all 0:52:05.000 --> 0:52:08.319 got together in Benson's mind. I've really it's that's why 0:52:08.360 --> 0:52:12.080 she gets that's why she's the lou because I didn't 0:52:12.120 --> 0:52:15.399 catch any of this at all. So so I guess 0:52:15.400 --> 0:52:17.120 the Dad's not the dad is what we're getting. And 0:52:17.160 --> 0:52:19.239 so now we're going to ruin Gary's life some more. 0:52:19.320 --> 0:52:21.960 This is a Will Sasso situation now where I'm like, 0:52:22.080 --> 0:52:25.800 oh Jesus Christ, like this man cannot handle anything else. 0:52:26.320 --> 0:52:29.400 So Benson is back with Sarah and they're chatting, and 0:52:29.440 --> 0:52:32.239 Benson's like, hey, you know, Emma was born eight and 0:52:32.280 --> 0:52:36.320 a half months after your assault, So what's going on, babe. 0:52:36.680 --> 0:52:37.120 And so. 0:52:38.880 --> 0:52:41.120 Again I don't know how she connected it, but Sarah's like, 0:52:41.120 --> 0:52:42.640 we were trying so hard to have a baby. We 0:52:42.640 --> 0:52:45.400 were in a really bad place. She starts crying and 0:52:45.440 --> 0:52:47.800 Benson's like, chill out, like, just tell me what happened. 0:52:48.200 --> 0:52:50.120 So they were partying and a group went back to 0:52:50.160 --> 0:52:52.399 Peter's hotel room, and then her friend left, and when 0:52:52.440 --> 0:52:54.480 she woke up alone in the bed with Peter, her 0:52:54.520 --> 0:52:57.920 clothing was off and she wanted that night to disappear. 0:52:57.960 --> 0:52:58.840 And so she's crying. 0:52:58.880 --> 0:53:01.759 More than six six weeks later, a positive pregnancy test. 0:53:02.320 --> 0:53:04.399 She did not get a DNA test. She just loves 0:53:04.440 --> 0:53:07.000 Gary so much. He wanted a baby so bad she 0:53:07.120 --> 0:53:10.960 couldn't tell him again. It's like another man. It's like 0:53:11.000 --> 0:53:13.560 how everyone else is feeling and stuff. You know, I'm 0:53:13.560 --> 0:53:16.040 thinking about last week's episode and now it's like, I'm 0:53:16.040 --> 0:53:18.200 gonna make sure Gary is a good life and I'm 0:53:18.239 --> 0:53:20.200 going to be tortured with the secret and trauma for 0:53:20.239 --> 0:53:23.239 the rest of my life. It's just like it's so 0:53:23.600 --> 0:53:26.760 twisted and sad, and so she's like, I just couldn't 0:53:26.760 --> 0:53:29.319 tell him. I couldn't do it. So Benson goes, I 0:53:29.320 --> 0:53:32.000 believe you were assaulted. So now we cut to Benson 0:53:32.040 --> 0:53:34.040 and she's going to go talk to this bearded bartender 0:53:34.080 --> 0:53:39.640 guy from earlier, his friend and Kingle style hat. But 0:53:39.680 --> 0:53:42.480 they couldn't they didn't pay for the Kangle logo, so 0:53:42.880 --> 0:53:46.239 just the style and just the style. And Benson's like, well, 0:53:46.280 --> 0:53:49.840 if you say she consented that night, then you know, 0:53:50.840 --> 0:53:54.239 can you do that? And he's like purgery And she's like, well, 0:53:54.239 --> 0:53:56.840 I know, you guys cover for each other, and we 0:53:56.920 --> 0:53:59.320 obviously as an audience know immediately this is a mission 0:53:59.480 --> 0:54:01.799 because Ben and would never you know what I mean. 0:54:02.280 --> 0:54:04.600 So she's like, you know, you could just say you 0:54:04.680 --> 0:54:07.440 heard her consent before you left, and then you know 0:54:07.560 --> 0:54:10.759 he would have a fighting chance. But yeah, so then 0:54:10.800 --> 0:54:14.399 she plays into like what he obviously like she knows 0:54:14.400 --> 0:54:16.480 who he is. So she's like, oh, and in this 0:54:16.600 --> 0:54:20.120 day and age, without your fib, he's gonna lose. Think 0:54:20.160 --> 0:54:22.839 of all the ballplayers that have covered for you. And 0:54:22.880 --> 0:54:24.840 he agrees and says, yeah, sure, why the hell not? 0:54:24.960 --> 0:54:28.400 And Benson goes, thanks, that's a start, and you know, 0:54:28.480 --> 0:54:30.759 we're gonna wait also for the test, the DNA test, 0:54:30.840 --> 0:54:32.320 And he's like, wait, what test? What what are you 0:54:32.360 --> 0:54:34.319 talking about? And she's like, you know, the DNA test. 0:54:34.480 --> 0:54:37.480 I wish I had rhythms so I could do the Lizzo. 0:54:38.120 --> 0:54:39.040 I took a DNA. 0:54:39.239 --> 0:54:42.520 I just took a DNA test. Turns out Peterstone is 0:54:42.560 --> 0:54:46.719 one hundred percent. Maybe the father, I don't know, that 0:54:46.760 --> 0:54:47.319 could be fun. 0:54:47.440 --> 0:54:51.520 I liked her, I liked the riff. Okay, So then 0:54:51.800 --> 0:54:54.319 so then we see, you know, things are weird. But 0:54:55.360 --> 0:54:57.319 she goes, you know, we're just gonna make sure. Is 0:54:57.360 --> 0:55:00.279 he the dad of Sarah's daughter? And the time a 0:55:00.280 --> 0:55:03.120 spot on everything works the husband couldn't get her pregnant, 0:55:03.160 --> 0:55:06.440 and the dramatic music plays, and then the beard he 0:55:06.560 --> 0:55:10.440 gets what's happening. He's not that stupid, so then stares 0:55:10.480 --> 0:55:13.040 at Benson, leans back slowly. It's like he won a 0:55:13.040 --> 0:55:13.680 game of chess. 0:55:13.760 --> 0:55:16.000 I mean lost loss, obviously lost a game of chess, 0:55:16.120 --> 0:55:20.080 leans back slowly against the exposed brick wall, and he goes, 0:55:20.280 --> 0:55:23.279 you know, he says softly, and Benson says, I know 0:55:23.320 --> 0:55:25.319 what a guy who's willing to commit perjury in a 0:55:25.400 --> 0:55:29.880 rape case. Thinks about women boom, and she and he 0:55:29.920 --> 0:55:32.440 married someone, So like what he raped this woman and 0:55:32.480 --> 0:55:35.759 then married the other woman, the friend that she was 0:55:35.800 --> 0:55:36.399 with that night. 0:55:36.480 --> 0:55:38.759 Yeah, and did they not all see each other at 0:55:38.800 --> 0:55:40.880 the wedding? Like, I don't get what's happening. 0:55:40.960 --> 0:55:44.040 So and also Sarah also said that Stone started to 0:55:44.040 --> 0:55:46.080 get mean at the end. So did this guy like 0:55:46.120 --> 0:55:48.240 fucking drug everybody so that he could do whatever? 0:55:48.440 --> 0:55:48.640 Or what? 0:55:49.640 --> 0:55:51.200 Like? Why was Stone being? She was like, he was 0:55:51.280 --> 0:55:52.880 so nice, but then at the end he got different 0:55:52.920 --> 0:55:55.880 and he was jerk, but a jerky Yeah, but that 0:55:55.920 --> 0:55:58.879 doesn't mean full blow. Yeah, maybe he was just passing out. 0:55:59.040 --> 0:56:04.719 Yeah, but so yeah, but you know, Peter Stone passed out, 0:56:04.840 --> 0:56:07.800 didn't he. Benson goes, she was so drunk she didn't 0:56:07.840 --> 0:56:10.480 know what was going on, so she arrests his ass. 0:56:10.760 --> 0:56:16.759 Reggie Griggs turn around, here's some new bracelets, bitch, and 0:56:17.040 --> 0:56:19.640 now it's daytime. We're on the water and Peter is 0:56:19.680 --> 0:56:21.920 met with Benson, who says that Reggie is taking a 0:56:22.000 --> 0:56:25.760 deal with the DA right now and the charges against 0:56:25.760 --> 0:56:28.680 Peter have been dropped. He says, it doesn't let him 0:56:28.719 --> 0:56:30.640 off the hook like it was his hotel room and 0:56:30.680 --> 0:56:34.480 it was his friend. But also in other great news, 0:56:35.239 --> 0:56:38.200 Gary is the father of the baby. Great news for Gary. 0:56:38.280 --> 0:56:40.960 He does not need that. No, I'm really happy. I 0:56:40.960 --> 0:56:42.520 think it would have meant a lot to him. He's 0:56:42.800 --> 0:56:45.040 hanging on by a thread. He honestly needs like a 0:56:45.080 --> 0:56:45.920 weekend in o Hi. 0:56:47.160 --> 0:56:48.239 He needs to get out. 0:56:50.400 --> 0:56:52.839 But she did think Peter was the father the whole time, 0:56:53.000 --> 0:56:57.920 like the So Sarah's free of it too, like they're free. 0:56:59.000 --> 0:57:01.000 Oh you think he would of like grabbed a piece 0:57:01.040 --> 0:57:03.560 of your daughter's hair when she was like three and 0:57:03.600 --> 0:57:06.480 figured it out earlier, just to know that you weren't 0:57:07.280 --> 0:57:10.799 raising your rapist's daughter, you know, and that it was. 0:57:11.000 --> 0:57:12.920 She didn't want to, she didn't watch. She also was 0:57:13.000 --> 0:57:16.840 too scared, too scared. Yeah, she wanted that night to disappear, 0:57:17.040 --> 0:57:19.000 Like didn't want to fucking think about it. And that 0:57:19.040 --> 0:57:21.200 would be really hard to confront actually if that was 0:57:21.240 --> 0:57:24.240 the case. Yeah. 0:57:24.280 --> 0:57:29.240 So, uh, this affects Peter huge because you know, I 0:57:29.280 --> 0:57:31.960 don't know why so Benson apologizes for doubting it. I 0:57:31.960 --> 0:57:34.920 guess I know why So Benson apologizes for doubting it. 0:57:35.960 --> 0:57:39.800 Stone says, no way, don't that's why I work with you. 0:57:40.000 --> 0:57:41.760 When all the noise was coming up, there was a 0:57:41.800 --> 0:57:43.400 moment I doubted myself too. 0:57:44.360 --> 0:57:44.880 He's hot. 0:57:45.200 --> 0:57:47.840 He walks off, She stands at the water, Benson like 0:57:47.880 --> 0:57:49.000 looks into the distance. 0:57:49.080 --> 0:57:53.960 And that's stick Wolf Baby A season twenty gem from 0:57:54.040 --> 0:58:04.600 the Stone Chronicles. So there's two cases that are kicking 0:58:04.600 --> 0:58:07.320 around the internet as being based like the inspiration for 0:58:07.360 --> 0:58:10.520 this episode. And one is like sci fula con case 0:58:10.560 --> 0:58:13.640 which is one of the only college rape cases that's 0:58:13.640 --> 0:58:18.160 gone to court. But it's like it seemed really unrelated 0:58:18.200 --> 0:58:20.040 to this one, but it is interesting, and I wonder 0:58:20.040 --> 0:58:22.800 if there'll be another chance to cover it later because 0:58:22.880 --> 0:58:26.200 this guy was acquitted of rape at school, but then 0:58:26.240 --> 0:58:30.120 his college still kicked him out. Yale still kicked him out, 0:58:30.120 --> 0:58:32.080 and then I think he tried to sue Yale and 0:58:32.240 --> 0:58:35.680 the girl who accused him. He seems maybe like not 0:58:35.760 --> 0:58:37.640 a good person, but I don't know. I need to 0:58:38.000 --> 0:58:39.840 do more research on that, but it doesn't seem like 0:58:39.840 --> 0:58:41.240 it has anything to do with this one, and I 0:58:41.280 --> 0:58:44.160 really want to talk about the other one. So, oh 0:58:44.240 --> 0:58:46.640 my god, I want to talk to you about this. 0:58:46.760 --> 0:58:48.480 We're going back. This is once in a while we 0:58:48.560 --> 0:58:54.280 go back into pre nineteen hundred right wait, no way, Yeah, 0:58:54.320 --> 0:58:57.760 so this is an older, older crime. So this is 0:58:57.840 --> 0:59:01.600 Evelyn Nesbit. This is a famous fucking story. I've never 0:59:01.640 --> 0:59:02.440 heard it before. 0:59:02.760 --> 0:59:05.000 Wait, you know why I'm thinking of the Nesbits because 0:59:05.040 --> 0:59:08.120 that's the name in that SVU where like the brothers. 0:59:08.200 --> 0:59:10.520 Oh, Marilyn Nesbit, the one who doesn't feed her kids. 0:59:10.520 --> 0:59:12.360 That's so sick that I know that I know. But 0:59:12.520 --> 0:59:14.800 well that's what I thought of immediately as well. But 0:59:15.840 --> 0:59:17.920 why have we done that episode? I don't know if 0:59:17.920 --> 0:59:20.680 we've done it. No, we haven't waited based on anything. 0:59:21.040 --> 0:59:22.600 I don't know if it's based on the wet to 0:59:22.640 --> 0:59:26.120 look it up. We got to look it up. Okay. Yeah, 0:59:26.240 --> 0:59:31.000 but that's yeah, that is one to put right down. Okay. 0:59:31.160 --> 0:59:34.280 So this was the crime of the century when it happened. 0:59:34.280 --> 0:59:37.160 So let me just get into the history. So Evelyn 0:59:37.280 --> 0:59:42.120 Nesbit is considered the world's first supermodel. She started modeling it. 0:59:42.680 --> 0:59:48.200 J Dickinson would not want to hear that. She is pissed. 0:59:48.960 --> 0:59:51.480 You better watch out out. But she's like a Comfrey, 0:59:51.680 --> 0:59:56.040 She's like Evelyn Nesbit, shut up, you old bitch. Yeah. No, 0:59:56.320 --> 0:59:59.760 she was fourteen years old in eighteen ninety eight, just 0:59:59.800 --> 1:00:02.160 as his fashion photography was starting to take off, like 1:00:02.400 --> 1:00:05.640 people were starting to use photographs for advertising a lot more. 1:00:05.640 --> 1:00:07.240 And it used to just be like drawings, you know, 1:00:07.320 --> 1:00:10.720 like you'll see old like like drawings of like La 1:00:10.800 --> 1:00:13.120 Chete Noir and stuff like that, like that's kind of 1:00:13.200 --> 1:00:16.120 was the thing. But now people are starting to pose. 1:00:16.320 --> 1:00:18.960 And she was very good at like staying still and 1:00:19.040 --> 1:00:22.000 posing for a long time for photographs or paintings or whatever. 1:00:22.360 --> 1:00:24.880 So she becomes this big model. She quickly rises to 1:00:24.920 --> 1:00:27.880 prominence as a model, and she's very sought after. So 1:00:27.960 --> 1:00:31.640 then in nineteen oh one, when she's around sixteen, she 1:00:31.680 --> 1:00:35.160 becomes a chorus girl on Broadway and one of her 1:00:35.200 --> 1:00:40.400 castmates introduces her to Stanford White, who is a well 1:00:40.440 --> 1:00:43.560 known architect. He's like a very famous architect in Manhattan, 1:00:44.000 --> 1:00:48.120 and he's forty six years old. She's sixteen. Just a reminder, okay. 1:00:48.800 --> 1:00:52.440 So Stanford White invites Evelyn and her cast mate to 1:00:52.520 --> 1:00:55.960 his multi floor apartment on West twenty fourth Street, which 1:00:56.320 --> 1:00:58.200 at the time is right next door to the delivery 1:00:58.320 --> 1:01:00.919 entrance for Fao Schwartz, which is doesn't mean anything, it's 1:01:00.960 --> 1:01:04.960 just kind of a fun tidbit means a lot to me. Yeah, 1:01:05.000 --> 1:01:09.400 And so this guy is loaded multi floor apartment. She's 1:01:09.440 --> 1:01:11.760 really swept off of her feet by like everything that's 1:01:11.800 --> 1:01:15.160 going on there, like the lunch, the expensive furniture, like 1:01:15.400 --> 1:01:18.520 everything about him. He's he's pretty, he's high society, right, 1:01:19.080 --> 1:01:24.080 and he basically becomes her benefactor. He moves her, her brother, 1:01:24.240 --> 1:01:26.920 and her mother into a suite at the Wellington Hotel 1:01:27.120 --> 1:01:29.520 because I think previously her father had died and left 1:01:29.520 --> 1:01:32.040 them penniless, so they had moved to New York to 1:01:32.080 --> 1:01:34.720 try to The mom was trying to make it work 1:01:34.760 --> 1:01:37.560 as like a costumer or like a seamstress, and so 1:01:37.720 --> 1:01:40.680 now the daughter's becoming a model. This rich guy is like, 1:01:40.720 --> 1:01:42.440 I'm gonna pay for you guys like to move into 1:01:42.520 --> 1:01:45.040 this nice hotel. She he pays for the younger brother 1:01:45.080 --> 1:01:47.720 to go to a military school, and he talks the 1:01:47.800 --> 1:01:51.240 mom into taking a trip over to Pittsburgh to visit 1:01:51.280 --> 1:01:54.200 some friends, promising, don't worry, I'll make sure Evelyn is safe. 1:01:54.240 --> 1:01:58.120 But of course he is a predator. So Evelyn reports 1:01:58.160 --> 1:02:04.360 that later when her mother is this is very bad way. Yeah, 1:02:04.400 --> 1:02:07.560 It's like I was like, I'm surprised, I've never seen 1:02:07.600 --> 1:02:09.960 a movie or whatever based on this. It's like really crazy. 1:02:10.040 --> 1:02:11.880 So but there is, there are movies and like other 1:02:11.960 --> 1:02:15.520 things based on this character, this person, real life person. 1:02:16.320 --> 1:02:21.880 So while she's gone, you know, this guy has her 1:02:21.920 --> 1:02:25.080 over for dinner and champagne with him at his home. 1:02:25.480 --> 1:02:27.880 And the last thing she remembers is changing into a 1:02:27.960 --> 1:02:31.080 yellow kimono that White asked her to change into. When 1:02:31.080 --> 1:02:33.760 she woke up, she was naked. There was blood on 1:02:33.800 --> 1:02:35.760 the sheets, which she said meant that she had he 1:02:35.800 --> 1:02:39.960 had taken her virginity. And even though she did recount 1:02:39.960 --> 1:02:43.200 this incident to other people and described it as date rape. 1:02:43.240 --> 1:02:46.160 But then she eventually entered into a relationship with White, 1:02:46.520 --> 1:02:49.040 which we all know could have been for a million reasons, 1:02:49.120 --> 1:02:51.800 like he's rich and powerful, her family didn't have money, 1:02:51.960 --> 1:02:55.640 he's thirty years older than her. You know, this man 1:02:55.720 --> 1:02:58.440 probably could have ruined her life if she didn't like 1:02:58.560 --> 1:03:01.760 consent to what like was altily abuse. But like, they 1:03:02.040 --> 1:03:07.440 eventually became like quote unquote lovers, and as their relationship 1:03:07.520 --> 1:03:09.520 sort of fizzled out, she found out that he had 1:03:09.600 --> 1:03:13.360 many quote unquote affairs with minors, which he recorded all 1:03:13.400 --> 1:03:17.120 of these crimes in a Little Black Book. So I 1:03:17.120 --> 1:03:19.440 feel like that's we've touched on that in several episodes 1:03:19.440 --> 1:03:21.480 of Best View as well, Like this little freak guy 1:03:21.600 --> 1:03:24.040 is like constantly going after young girls. He's in his 1:03:24.120 --> 1:03:29.520 late forties, and he's recording all of it. So another 1:03:29.600 --> 1:03:32.520 little tidbit is that she had a much more age 1:03:32.520 --> 1:03:37.000 appropriate relationship with actor John Barrymore, grandfather of Drew, during 1:03:37.000 --> 1:03:40.640 this time when Barrymore was twenty and Evelyn was sixteen 1:03:40.680 --> 1:03:44.520 or seventeen, and White tried to keep them apart by 1:03:44.520 --> 1:03:47.960 sending her to boarding school. And at one point Barrymore 1:03:48.040 --> 1:03:50.160 proposed to Evelyn and she turned him down, maybe because 1:03:50.160 --> 1:03:53.080 she was too young, or maybe she didn't. I don't know. 1:03:53.160 --> 1:03:55.760 I don't know why, but apparently he describes Evelyn as 1:03:55.800 --> 1:04:00.560 his first love. He did later. So Evelyn eventually moves 1:04:00.720 --> 1:04:04.720 from chorus girl up to a starring role and was 1:04:04.760 --> 1:04:07.760 cast in a Broadway play called The wild Rose. And 1:04:08.480 --> 1:04:12.800 she eventually becomes involved with a guy named Harry Kendall Thaw, 1:04:12.920 --> 1:04:15.880 and he is the son of a Pittsburgh railroad baron, 1:04:16.320 --> 1:04:20.160 heir to a forty million dollar fortune well nineteen who 1:04:20.880 --> 1:04:24.680 so that's a lot right. Thaw had a long history 1:04:24.680 --> 1:04:27.160 of mental instability going back to his childhood. And he 1:04:27.240 --> 1:04:29.320 was a hot mess, and he had seen the wild 1:04:29.400 --> 1:04:32.800 Rose upwards of forty times before he even met Evelyn. 1:04:33.160 --> 1:04:36.919 So he's obsessed, right, and he hates White. He hates 1:04:36.960 --> 1:04:41.000 Stanford White, the architect, right. He thinks that White has. 1:04:40.960 --> 1:04:43.520 Sots, like it's like, I have no idea where this 1:04:43.600 --> 1:04:45.960 is going, like this is it's a wild. 1:04:46.040 --> 1:04:50.880 It's crazy White. He he thinks White stopped him from 1:04:50.920 --> 1:04:54.120 being welcomed into New York City high society. And he 1:04:54.240 --> 1:04:56.640 also knew that he was a womanizer who preyed on 1:04:56.720 --> 1:04:59.320 underage girl. So he like fucking hates this white guy. 1:05:00.000 --> 1:05:03.600 So it's some suspect that one of the reasons that 1:05:03.640 --> 1:05:07.960 thought even pursued Evelyn was because of her rumored relationship 1:05:08.000 --> 1:05:10.400 with White, which like not everyone is clear about, right, 1:05:10.480 --> 1:05:13.000 It's like, oh, benefactor, is something going on? Like no 1:05:13.040 --> 1:05:14.760 one you know, it's like not clear to a lot 1:05:14.760 --> 1:05:18.320 of people. Okay, So now it's nineteen oh three, Evelyn's 1:05:18.320 --> 1:05:20.600 about eighteen, She's at boarding school. She has to have 1:05:20.640 --> 1:05:26.760 an emergency appendectomy, which many speculate is an abortion. Perhaps 1:05:26.840 --> 1:05:31.200 John Barrymore's No one is sure. Thaw is very super 1:05:31.240 --> 1:05:33.600 protective of her and make sure she gets like top 1:05:33.600 --> 1:05:36.000 of the line medical treatment, like the best doctors. Right. 1:05:36.680 --> 1:05:38.919 He pressures her to go on this trip with him 1:05:38.920 --> 1:05:42.600 to Europe to help with her recovery. Her mother went 1:05:42.640 --> 1:05:45.360 along too, so that it wouldn't be like indecent or whatever. 1:05:45.800 --> 1:05:50.560 But then this motherfucker intentionally makes the schedule of travel insane, 1:05:50.680 --> 1:05:52.800 Like the pace of the travel is like so intense 1:05:52.840 --> 1:05:55.520 that eventually Evelyn and her mother start like fighting and 1:05:55.560 --> 1:05:57.840 being stressed out and going at each other until the 1:05:57.880 --> 1:06:02.760 mind like a villa, like what the fuck? Yeah, yeah, 1:06:02.800 --> 1:06:07.040 And he's one of these classic nineteen hundred 's morphine freaks, 1:06:07.080 --> 1:06:09.920 like he's addicted. He's got to get on addictions, you know, 1:06:10.160 --> 1:06:14.080 Like but he's loaded, so it's like no one's calling 1:06:14.120 --> 1:06:17.760 him just like a weirdo and a creep because he's loaded, 1:06:17.800 --> 1:06:20.960 and so he's allowed a certain amount of I don't know, 1:06:21.120 --> 1:06:25.400 you know so status. So basically he causes the mom 1:06:25.400 --> 1:06:27.600 and the daughter to fucking hate each other on this trip, 1:06:27.640 --> 1:06:29.040 and the mom decides I want to go back to 1:06:29.040 --> 1:06:31.480 the States, so they leave the mom's ass in London 1:06:31.560 --> 1:06:34.240 and thought takes Evelyn to Paris alone. And this is 1:06:34.280 --> 1:06:37.520 where he starts pressuring Evelyn to marry him. And but 1:06:37.760 --> 1:06:41.840 Evelyn knows this guy is like pious, like this guy's 1:06:41.920 --> 1:06:46.320 kind of weirdly freakishly religious or like all about purity, 1:06:46.760 --> 1:06:49.600 and he's gonna want a virgin bride. And she's like, 1:06:49.640 --> 1:06:51.600 and I'm not a virgin, like she knows she's not, 1:06:52.280 --> 1:06:57.040 and so she's resisting because yes, it's like so weird. 1:06:57.040 --> 1:06:59.280 It's like this guy is a weird He's on this 1:06:59.320 --> 1:07:02.080 weird more high horse, even though he's like a morphine 1:07:02.080 --> 1:07:04.280 addict and like does all this shit, you know what 1:07:04.320 --> 1:07:06.080 I mean, But women have to be a certain way. 1:07:06.240 --> 1:07:10.840 That's like his vibe, right, So and it gets more 1:07:10.880 --> 1:07:15.040 into how he feels about that. So she's like, oh 1:07:15.040 --> 1:07:17.080 my god, this guy wants like a virgin bride, Like 1:07:17.240 --> 1:07:19.960 that's not me. But he just pushes her and pushes 1:07:20.000 --> 1:07:23.440 her so much that eventually she just comes clean to 1:07:23.520 --> 1:07:26.160 him and tells him about the assault from White, that 1:07:26.280 --> 1:07:30.240 how he like date raped her, and then Thaw accuses 1:07:30.360 --> 1:07:34.560 her mother of being unfit, and like you know, he's 1:07:34.600 --> 1:07:37.120 he's upset when he hears about what happened from White, 1:07:37.160 --> 1:07:39.520 of course, because he also hates fucking white. So then 1:07:39.560 --> 1:07:44.080 they continue their European tour and in some point in Austria, 1:07:44.200 --> 1:07:47.000 Dash hungry it says, I don't know if at one 1:07:47.000 --> 1:07:49.400 point that was considered a place together. I'm not very 1:07:49.400 --> 1:07:53.320 good at geography. He takes her to a gothic Katzenstein 1:07:53.560 --> 1:07:57.200 castle where he locks is going on. He locks Evelyn 1:07:57.240 --> 1:07:59.960 in her room, beats her with a whip and sexualist 1:08:00.680 --> 1:08:03.040 over the period of over a two week period. 1:08:03.360 --> 1:08:06.840 What the fuck I mean? Obviously this wasn't a good 1:08:06.840 --> 1:08:08.760 news guy, but like, fuck. 1:08:09.120 --> 1:08:13.400 I know, and then Evelyn and then afterwards he apologizes, 1:08:13.720 --> 1:08:15.520 and something that I read was like and then he 1:08:15.560 --> 1:08:17.479 was pretty upbeat. I'm like, oh, he's pretty upbeat after 1:08:17.520 --> 1:08:21.760 he apologized for basically terrorizing and torturing a woman for 1:08:21.800 --> 1:08:25.000 two weeks. So when they get back to New York City, 1:08:25.320 --> 1:08:28.160 Evelyn tells some friends about what went down in Europe, 1:08:28.200 --> 1:08:30.439 and they're all like, oh, yeah, girl, that guy's nuts, 1:08:30.479 --> 1:08:33.440 Like everybody knows he's nuts. He's a morphine addict, he's unhinged, 1:08:33.479 --> 1:08:37.519 like everyone knows this. So now Evelyn is freaking out 1:08:37.720 --> 1:08:40.360 because she's kind of worried that if people know the 1:08:40.360 --> 1:08:42.599 full extent of her relationship with White, that no one 1:08:42.640 --> 1:08:46.479 will marry her, right, Like that's this old way of 1:08:46.520 --> 1:08:50.280 thinking that she's she thinks she's like damaged goods. But 1:08:50.360 --> 1:08:53.639 she's also pissed at White for letting her go because 1:08:53.640 --> 1:08:55.640 she's still kind of in touch with White, and she's like, 1:08:55.640 --> 1:08:58.280 why didn't you tell me what a Psychothaw was? Like 1:08:58.400 --> 1:08:59.880 you know who he is, Like, why didn't you tell 1:08:59.920 --> 1:09:03.000 me what a psycho this guy was? So then at 1:09:03.000 --> 1:09:05.000 some point her mom gets remarried, and if you thought 1:09:05.000 --> 1:09:07.719 she was a shitty mom before, well now she's just gone. 1:09:07.760 --> 1:09:11.200 Her mom's like out of the picture. So Thaw is 1:09:11.240 --> 1:09:15.120 continuing to pressure Evelyn into marriage and promised that once 1:09:15.160 --> 1:09:17.320 they get married, he'll be like a Benedictine monk if 1:09:17.360 --> 1:09:20.920 they get married, like and she finally agrees, and his 1:09:21.040 --> 1:09:23.639 family approves of the marriage as long as she gives 1:09:23.720 --> 1:09:26.280 up modeling, gives up acting, and doesn't talk about her 1:09:26.320 --> 1:09:31.360 past at all. Very cool. So they get married April fourth, 1:09:31.439 --> 1:09:34.479 nineteen oh five, and this bitch thinks she's going to 1:09:34.560 --> 1:09:38.040 be traveling and entertaining like a millionaire's wife. But it 1:09:38.120 --> 1:09:41.240 turns out Thaw is kind of like religious and like 1:09:41.320 --> 1:09:44.479 straight edge, like he's not about the party lifestyle, and 1:09:44.640 --> 1:09:48.400 he kind of he goes on this mission to expose 1:09:48.520 --> 1:09:51.320 White and all of his crimes as part of like 1:09:51.360 --> 1:09:55.519 these moral vigilance campaigns. Like this man is evil and 1:09:55.600 --> 1:09:57.760 you know, I mean this is like even before prohibition, 1:09:57.920 --> 1:10:02.760 like people were really on their guy. Yeah, but that 1:10:02.840 --> 1:10:04.759 he's an addict, so I don't even know if he's 1:10:05.920 --> 1:10:09.080 really putting things into perspective. What he does is not 1:10:09.120 --> 1:10:11.320 what she does. And you know, like he's all about 1:10:11.320 --> 1:10:15.400 having this like perfect like clean bride or whatever, like 1:10:15.520 --> 1:10:19.160 women or have to be this certain way. So he 1:10:19.400 --> 1:10:22.800 was paranoid not only that White had start had like 1:10:22.880 --> 1:10:24.800 kept him out of New York society, but also that 1:10:24.840 --> 1:10:27.160 he had hired a gang to kill him. Like he 1:10:27.280 --> 1:10:31.720 was paranoid obviously this man and what's just it's just 1:10:31.760 --> 1:10:35.280 something like this is I'm just sad, I know should 1:10:35.240 --> 1:10:37.720 in no way out. It kind of reminds me of 1:10:37.760 --> 1:10:41.840 the movie Poor Things, Like that's what I keep thinking about. Yeah, 1:10:41.880 --> 1:10:44.679 it was reminding me of like rumors I've heard about 1:10:44.720 --> 1:10:47.599 like young actresses getting sort of like passed around and 1:10:47.680 --> 1:10:49.320 like bad things happening to them, do you know what 1:10:49.400 --> 1:10:51.519 I mean? Like I feel like, that's what I was 1:10:51.600 --> 1:10:55.080 kind of thinking of too. But this guy, Thaw is 1:10:55.120 --> 1:10:57.360 obsessed with White and thinks about him all the time. 1:10:57.520 --> 1:10:59.960 It turns out White doesn't really think about Thaw that much. 1:11:00.160 --> 1:11:02.120 She doesn't really He goes, yeah, I think he's like 1:11:02.160 --> 1:11:04.200 a loser. He's like a peon. He's like not really 1:11:04.240 --> 1:11:05.840 a part of my life. He just does not really 1:11:05.840 --> 1:11:07.800 give that much like credence to this guy at all. 1:11:08.640 --> 1:11:12.080 So now it's June nineteen oh six. Oh and by 1:11:12.080 --> 1:11:13.280 the way, I don't know if I said this. After 1:11:13.320 --> 1:11:16.559 they got married, they basically moved back to the Pittsburgh area. 1:11:16.880 --> 1:11:19.400 So this Evelyn is like, I was a fucking actress 1:11:19.400 --> 1:11:21.679 and a hot model in New York City. I thought 1:11:21.680 --> 1:11:23.320 I was going to marry a millionaire and just start 1:11:23.360 --> 1:11:25.800 living a cool life. Now I have to move to 1:11:25.840 --> 1:11:29.240 Pittsburgh and my only companions are basically my mother in law, 1:11:29.400 --> 1:11:32.080 like Thaw's mom, who is like the matriarch of the 1:11:32.120 --> 1:11:35.839 family and like very sounds very bitchy and very controlling 1:11:35.880 --> 1:11:39.240 of her. So in June of nineteen oh six, Evelyn 1:11:39.320 --> 1:11:42.000 and Thaw stop in New York City before getting on 1:11:42.040 --> 1:11:44.360 a luxury liner to Europe for a vacation, so I 1:11:44.360 --> 1:11:46.080 guess they're traving a little bit, but maybe not as 1:11:46.160 --> 1:11:48.720 much as she'd like. Thaw gets some tickets to the 1:11:48.720 --> 1:11:53.720 premiere of Momzelle Champagne or maybe it's Mamzelle Champagne at 1:11:53.760 --> 1:11:57.280 the rooftop theater of Madison Square Garden, a building which, 1:11:57.360 --> 1:12:01.840 by the way, Stanford White designed. He designed Madison Square Garden. 1:12:02.040 --> 1:12:05.720 This man, what the fuck? Yes, So they go out 1:12:05.760 --> 1:12:09.400 to dinner pre show. Yeah, they go out to a 1:12:09.439 --> 1:12:12.000 little pre show dinner, and they happened to see White 1:12:12.040 --> 1:12:14.439 at the restaurant. And even though it's like June in 1:12:14.479 --> 1:12:17.000 New York City, it's hot, Thaw is wearing a long 1:12:17.040 --> 1:12:19.719 black overcoat over his suxceedo and he wouldn't take it off. 1:12:20.439 --> 1:12:23.800 So now it's eleven PM, the show is wrapping up, 1:12:24.240 --> 1:12:27.120 and for some reason, White walks in with like only 1:12:27.120 --> 1:12:29.479 a few minutes left at the show, and he sits 1:12:29.520 --> 1:12:32.400 down at like a table that is he probably his 1:12:32.439 --> 1:12:35.200 table's He designed the fucking building, So I guess table 1:12:35.680 --> 1:12:39.080 and Thaw approached him apparently a couple times, but then 1:12:39.200 --> 1:12:43.040 kept backing away. And then during the finale number called 1:12:43.160 --> 1:12:47.360 I Could Love a Million Girls, Thaw walks right up 1:12:47.400 --> 1:12:49.760 to White, pulls out a gun and shoots him in 1:12:49.760 --> 1:12:54.479 the face twice from two feet away, and then Thaw 1:12:54.560 --> 1:12:57.920 tells the crowd, I did it because he ruined my wife. 1:12:58.200 --> 1:13:00.960 He had it coming to him, advantage of the girl, 1:13:00.960 --> 1:13:03.320 and then abandon her. You'll never go out with that 1:13:03.439 --> 1:13:08.160 woman again. So this guy is off his rocker. So 1:13:09.360 --> 1:13:12.800 also because of differing witness accounts, some reports say that 1:13:12.840 --> 1:13:15.000 he said you ruined my life, and others heard him 1:13:15.000 --> 1:13:17.680 say you ruined my wife, but no one knows, so 1:13:18.840 --> 1:13:21.719 either way, I guess that's kind of where this connects 1:13:21.760 --> 1:13:24.479 into the SVU episode with the bar and the you know, 1:13:24.880 --> 1:13:28.960 you raped my wife or whatever. So some people in 1:13:29.000 --> 1:13:31.080 the theater thought it was a joke or like part 1:13:31.120 --> 1:13:33.360 of the show. But then it was very obvious, very 1:13:33.400 --> 1:13:36.240 quickly that White was very dead and that was arrested 1:13:36.280 --> 1:13:39.439 by the authorities. His trial was called the Trial of 1:13:39.479 --> 1:13:44.439 the Century. His mother, this crazy millionaire matriarch, did not 1:13:44.600 --> 1:13:47.880 want him to be classified or stigmatized as insane, so 1:13:47.920 --> 1:13:51.880 she urged his defense to pursue a temporary insanity plea 1:13:52.200 --> 1:13:54.439 which is apparently at the time was referred to as 1:13:54.439 --> 1:13:58.720 a brainstorm lol. Being temporary insanity was like, oh, got 1:13:58.760 --> 1:14:01.880 another one of my brainstorm. I thought she did want that. No, 1:14:02.000 --> 1:14:04.120 she wanted him to go under after temporary insanity. They 1:14:04.160 --> 1:14:07.320 didn't want him to be labeled like clinically insane and 1:14:07.400 --> 1:14:12.479 like you know, put away forever. Like she spent over 1:14:12.600 --> 1:14:16.280 five hundred thousand dollars in that time period on doctors 1:14:16.320 --> 1:14:18.720 to work up this defense that this murder was at 1:14:18.800 --> 1:14:21.920 one moment of insanity, even though there's a history of 1:14:21.920 --> 1:14:23.600 mental illness in the family, and there's a history of 1:14:23.640 --> 1:14:27.400 mental illness. Yeah, like in her family, the mother's family, 1:14:27.880 --> 1:14:31.800 many of her relatives have been you know, like she 1:14:32.400 --> 1:14:35.080 had mental illness, and so it's like, yes, your son 1:14:35.200 --> 1:14:37.840 just got that, you know, like, but instead they just 1:14:37.880 --> 1:14:39.840 threw money at the problems all the time. So the 1:14:39.880 --> 1:14:42.360 first trial was in nineteen oh seven Trial the Century. 1:14:42.400 --> 1:14:45.760 Evelyn testified and even detailed her assault by White, which 1:14:45.800 --> 1:14:49.400 she had not told anybody but Thaw. Apparently the press 1:14:49.560 --> 1:14:52.719 was horrible to her. Of course, many of them blamed 1:14:52.760 --> 1:14:55.760 her for this all happening, and that her mother like 1:14:55.800 --> 1:14:58.600 prostituted her by letting her like, you know, be with 1:14:58.680 --> 1:15:01.559 White and all this stuff. A lot of them were 1:15:01.560 --> 1:15:04.479 sympathetic to Thaw because they were like, wow, he was 1:15:04.520 --> 1:15:07.559 just defending his wife's honor, you know. So the lot 1:15:07.560 --> 1:15:09.960 of the press coverage was really fucked up. Like one 1:15:10.040 --> 1:15:12.719 article I read, I actually put it in my show notes, 1:15:12.720 --> 1:15:15.880 but like one of the articles I read is a 1:15:15.920 --> 1:15:19.160 true scan of a paper from that time, and it 1:15:19.280 --> 1:15:22.920 is wild. Like it's like it starts by describing her 1:15:22.920 --> 1:15:26.479 physically her weight and basically was like, I don't know, 1:15:27.040 --> 1:15:29.640 beautiful shock of hair, big eyes? Is that enough for 1:15:29.680 --> 1:15:32.920 getting the electricity? Is the electricity worth it? The electric shock? 1:15:32.960 --> 1:15:36.400 Like basically, is this bitch worth getting the electric chair for? Like, 1:15:36.880 --> 1:15:41.000 you know, they're just talking about her. Imagine like someone's 1:15:42.080 --> 1:15:44.519 testifying at a trial and you're like one hundred and 1:15:44.520 --> 1:15:47.240 three pounds, like you like list the weight in the 1:15:47.360 --> 1:15:49.840 article of the woman on the stand, Like that's the 1:15:49.920 --> 1:15:53.759 kind of time period we're dealing with here. So they're horrible, 1:15:53.800 --> 1:15:58.720 they're shitty. The jury this this trial was so sensationalized 1:15:58.720 --> 1:16:01.520 and people were so obsessed that the jury was sequestered. 1:16:01.560 --> 1:16:03.519 And this is the first time a jury has ever 1:16:03.520 --> 1:16:07.080 been sequestered in US history. This is the I literally 1:16:07.080 --> 1:16:09.599 googled what was the first trial to have sequestered jurors 1:16:09.640 --> 1:16:12.240 after I read this and it's like the murder of 1:16:12.240 --> 1:16:19.760 Stanford White. So this jury is sequestered, and after a 1:16:19.800 --> 1:16:23.240 three month trial and a forty seven hour deliberate deliberation, 1:16:23.600 --> 1:16:27.439 they are deadlocked. Seven of them say guilty, five say 1:16:27.479 --> 1:16:31.120 not guilty. This man shot a man at point blank 1:16:31.160 --> 1:16:34.920 practically range, in front of an audience of people, like 1:16:35.160 --> 1:16:39.080 multiple witnesses, and five people are like, I don't know, 1:16:39.320 --> 1:16:43.000 maybe it's not what we think like or whatever. Maybe 1:16:43.040 --> 1:16:45.760 it had to do with whether they were willing to do. 1:16:46.800 --> 1:16:48.960 I think it was probably whether they were believing that 1:16:49.000 --> 1:16:51.240 he was temporarily insane or not, because that's the plea 1:16:51.320 --> 1:16:53.920 that was actor. So that's probably actually what it was about. 1:16:53.960 --> 1:16:57.600 But they were deadlocked. Thaw was outraged, of course, that 1:16:57.680 --> 1:16:59.479 the jury didn't see what he did as an act 1:16:59.520 --> 1:17:01.679 of chivalry, Like what are you talking about? Like, I'm 1:17:01.720 --> 1:17:05.440 the hero in the story, right. The second trial happens 1:17:05.479 --> 1:17:08.719 in nineteen oh eight the following year, where he pleads 1:17:08.760 --> 1:17:12.280 temporary insanity again and he has found not guilty on 1:17:12.360 --> 1:17:15.599 those grounds, and he was sentenced to involuntary commitment for 1:17:15.760 --> 1:17:21.160 life in Mattawan State Hospital for the criminally insane in Venezua, 1:17:21.280 --> 1:17:26.960 New York. But isn't that what the mom didn't want? Yes, so, obviously, 1:17:27.360 --> 1:17:30.559 because he is beyond loaded, he gets a lot of 1:17:30.600 --> 1:17:34.640 perks and privileges at this place. And immediately from the 1:17:34.680 --> 1:17:37.400 moment he has put into this hospital, he's hiring a 1:17:37.439 --> 1:17:40.200 legal team and assigned all of them to get him 1:17:40.240 --> 1:17:43.120 declared sane, like that is their job. And it took 1:17:43.160 --> 1:17:46.479 a little while. It took so long that in nineteen thirteen, 1:17:46.560 --> 1:17:49.200 after five years in confinement, he escaped the hospital and 1:17:49.240 --> 1:17:52.400 bled to Canada. But he has caught and extradited back 1:17:52.400 --> 1:17:55.040 to the US. But two years later, in nineteen fifteen, 1:17:55.360 --> 1:17:58.559 he is released from custody after being judged sane. They 1:17:58.600 --> 1:18:01.040 did it, The doctors did it. He paid enough money. 1:18:01.240 --> 1:18:03.400 It's classic what we talk about all the time. So 1:18:03.439 --> 1:18:06.800 he had been confined at this mental hospital for seven 1:18:06.880 --> 1:18:11.360 years total for killing this man. Evelyn gave birth to 1:18:11.400 --> 1:18:16.679 a son in nineteen ten, Russell William Thaw in Berlin, Germany, 1:18:16.760 --> 1:18:19.599 and she has always claimed that it was that that 1:18:19.880 --> 1:18:23.040 was Thaw's biological child, conceived during a conjugal visit while 1:18:23.040 --> 1:18:27.559 he was at Mattawan Hospital for the State Hospital for 1:18:27.600 --> 1:18:31.920 the criminally insane in Beacon, New York, and Thaw denied paternity. 1:18:32.000 --> 1:18:35.760 He never would accept this child's paternity or as his 1:18:35.800 --> 1:18:39.280 own child. She divorced him in nineteen fifteen, the same 1:18:39.360 --> 1:18:42.599 year that the child was born, and she went on 1:18:42.800 --> 1:18:46.439 to do silent movies and some vaudeville. She had a 1:18:46.479 --> 1:18:49.679 tough run. I mean, like Thow's family basically cut her off. 1:18:49.720 --> 1:18:51.840 Like at first, they were still giving her money as 1:18:51.840 --> 1:18:54.160 long as she testified in like a favorable way for 1:18:54.280 --> 1:18:56.960 Thaw in the trials, then they would like give her 1:18:57.000 --> 1:18:59.559 these really sporadic payments, and she never knew where any 1:18:59.560 --> 1:19:03.720 money was coming from. And so, you know, and she 1:19:03.920 --> 1:19:06.960 was so infamous now, like the press hounded her. She 1:19:07.200 --> 1:19:09.400 eventually ended up marrying one of her vaudeville partners, but 1:19:09.400 --> 1:19:12.160 then they divorced because he couldn't handle being like mister 1:19:12.240 --> 1:19:16.280 Evelyn nesbit like, because she was so notorious. And then 1:19:16.640 --> 1:19:18.559 she tried to take her life at one point. But 1:19:18.640 --> 1:19:21.880 she did live until eighty two, and she died right 1:19:21.920 --> 1:19:25.080 here in southern California, and she's buried in Culver City. 1:19:26.200 --> 1:19:31.759 So that is the story of the murder of Stanford 1:19:31.760 --> 1:19:35.040 White by Harry Kendallshaw as a result of the rape 1:19:35.040 --> 1:19:38.639 of Evelyn Nesbit. I'm gonna be here for Halloween. I mean, 1:19:39.600 --> 1:19:43.719 I love this outfit. Yeah, it's at the National Gallery 1:19:43.760 --> 1:19:47.080 of Where of Canada. And like her mother never came 1:19:47.120 --> 1:19:49.880 back into her life. Really, her brother had come to 1:19:49.920 --> 1:19:52.200 see White as like a father figure because he sent 1:19:52.280 --> 1:19:54.559 him to military school and blah blah blah, so he 1:19:54.640 --> 1:19:57.439 thought she was lying. And like her brother didn't like 1:19:57.840 --> 1:20:01.519 come to her defense at all. And so this poor 1:20:01.560 --> 1:20:04.720 girl just like thrust into the limelight too young, and 1:20:04.840 --> 1:20:09.120 like do like forced to. It just makes me so 1:20:09.200 --> 1:20:14.679 sad the like trad or like backwards thinking women's movement, 1:20:14.720 --> 1:20:17.719 because it's like, yeah, it's just not a good life 1:20:17.760 --> 1:20:22.080 to be at the hands of these men. Yes, and 1:20:22.160 --> 1:20:25.240 like men who will do as I say, not as 1:20:25.280 --> 1:20:27.120 I do, you know, like they'll do whatever the fuck 1:20:27.160 --> 1:20:29.240 they want. And then she's got to be this like 1:20:29.840 --> 1:20:30.879 proper little flower. 1:20:30.920 --> 1:20:34.880 I love this photo of her. Damn crazy. Wait what 1:20:34.960 --> 1:20:36.640 are these guys' names again? I want to see what 1:20:36.640 --> 1:20:37.120 they look like. 1:20:38.400 --> 1:20:44.719 Oh, Stanford White, Oh my god, it's like mustachio looks 1:20:44.720 --> 1:20:47.840 like a classic guy from like this time. Very cotic. Okay, 1:20:47.960 --> 1:20:52.479 what's then, Harry Kendall Thaw, Yeah, Pittsburgh Cole and. 1:20:53.960 --> 1:20:56.360 I love the photo of him having like a white 1:20:56.479 --> 1:21:00.679 linen table, gorgeous dinner and like the prison behind bars. 1:21:01.080 --> 1:21:05.439 Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. Lots of perks. I mean, it 1:21:05.439 --> 1:21:07.000 looks like he has crystal like one of the pictures 1:21:07.000 --> 1:21:10.760 in front of him looks crystal like. It's nuts. So 1:21:11.040 --> 1:21:12.920 even if he hadn't been able to pay his way 1:21:13.680 --> 1:21:16.439 out of the insane asylum, I think even when he 1:21:16.479 --> 1:21:18.280 was in the insane asylum, he got tons of perks 1:21:18.280 --> 1:21:21.479 and was probably living better than most people in there. 1:21:22.040 --> 1:21:28.720 But that is that on that and that is cinematic. 1:21:28.880 --> 1:21:32.360 I am shock No one's like done anything with that. 1:21:33.840 --> 1:21:37.479 I mean there's like I was looking at, like, you know, 1:21:37.600 --> 1:21:41.280 her thing of like what her portrayal in the media 1:21:41.320 --> 1:21:43.360 has been Like, There's been characters like there was a 1:21:43.439 --> 1:21:46.679 character on Boardwalk Empire that was loosely based on her. 1:21:47.880 --> 1:21:53.320 There's been movies and books that like, oh yeah, I 1:21:53.320 --> 1:21:56.559 guess in the historical novel rag Time, which is I 1:21:56.640 --> 1:21:59.160 believe is what the musical rag Time is based on, 1:21:59.320 --> 1:22:03.000 they refer to murder and the resulting fame for ansbit 1:22:03.040 --> 1:22:07.280 she's a main character in Ragtime. Whoa but oh yeah, 1:22:07.280 --> 1:22:07.880 she's played by. 1:22:07.800 --> 1:22:12.519 Elizabeth Why couldn't she just like live on her own 1:22:12.600 --> 1:22:15.559 with this career? Did she not get paid? Like are 1:22:15.600 --> 1:22:17.400 you just can't be a single woman even if you 1:22:17.400 --> 1:22:20.479 have a career in the arts, Like fuck, I don't. 1:22:20.280 --> 1:22:23.320 Even know she was allowed to have a bank account. 1:22:23.479 --> 1:22:25.880 We could only get credit cards in nineteen seventy or something, 1:22:25.960 --> 1:22:30.160 so like I wonder if it was just like no choice. Yeah, 1:22:30.240 --> 1:22:34.640 she just was so worried about being branded as like 1:22:34.640 --> 1:22:37.680 like untouchable. But from what happened with White that she 1:22:37.880 --> 1:22:43.160 just married this other psycho and then I guess her 1:22:43.160 --> 1:22:45.280 problem kind of got solved after that because one killed 1:22:45.320 --> 1:22:47.720 the other one. But then she got nothing like out 1:22:47.760 --> 1:22:51.880 of that, really, you know. So yeah, it's crazy. This 1:22:52.040 --> 1:22:56.280 is like this is a really nuts story. But I 1:22:56.280 --> 1:22:59.360 had not heard really anything about it. So oh I 1:22:59.400 --> 1:23:02.840 watched this online and it was this guy and he's like, 1:23:02.880 --> 1:23:05.280 you know, we was like, oh, why so much violence? Violence? 1:23:05.280 --> 1:23:07.960 And he goes, Caine killed Abel. He's like like the 1:23:08.040 --> 1:23:10.559 third guy killed the fourth guy. So like murder has 1:23:10.600 --> 1:23:12.640 been around since, like it could they couldn't even make 1:23:12.680 --> 1:23:15.080 it to four guys or five guys. 1:23:14.760 --> 1:23:19.040 You know what I mean. Yeah, And I thought that 1:23:19.160 --> 1:23:22.240 was like funny or sad, whatever you want to I 1:23:22.240 --> 1:23:24.240 don't know. Well, yeah, and it's just kind of like 1:23:24.280 --> 1:23:27.000 this guy was just like carrying a gun and taking 1:23:27.080 --> 1:23:29.280 him to the show like you you obviously planned this out. 1:23:29.280 --> 1:23:31.160 It was like pre meditated. He didn't just like run 1:23:31.160 --> 1:23:32.160 into him in New York. 1:23:32.720 --> 1:23:32.920 You know. 1:23:34.640 --> 1:23:40.639 So money always buys whatever you want. And don't trust 1:23:40.640 --> 1:23:44.240 a man. And definitely not a morphine addict. Not a 1:23:44.280 --> 1:23:49.880 morphine no. But we have a guest, so don't go anywhere. 1:23:56.800 --> 1:24:00.760 Our guest today is an actor that I know, I 1:24:00.840 --> 1:24:04.640 remember from classic films like Father of the Bride and 1:24:04.720 --> 1:24:08.479 Adventures in Babysitting, not to mention it takes two. He 1:24:08.560 --> 1:24:12.639 also had recurring roles on the show Scandal and Designing Women. 1:24:12.840 --> 1:24:16.120 Excuse me, iconic or you might recognize his voice because 1:24:16.120 --> 1:24:19.040 he is the longest running animated Superman voice actor. But 1:24:19.120 --> 1:24:22.240 you know him today as one of Rollin's baby daddies, 1:24:22.439 --> 1:24:30.200 Doctor Al Pollock. Please enjoy our chat with George Newborn. Hi, Jay, Hello, Hello, 1:24:30.760 --> 1:24:34.439 how are nice to meet you? Well, you know you're 1:24:34.479 --> 1:24:40.760 the number one fuck boy in s FU history. Thrilled here. 1:24:42.120 --> 1:24:45.160 It's really rare to see a doctor fuck boy out 1:24:45.200 --> 1:24:47.000 in the well representation. 1:24:47.880 --> 1:24:48.880 Yeah, they are out there. 1:24:48.880 --> 1:24:55.760 Apparently he did a great job. Yeah, how did this? 1:24:56.120 --> 1:24:56.559 How did this? 1:24:56.880 --> 1:24:56.960 Like? 1:24:57.000 --> 1:24:58.559 When you first did this role, did you think it 1:24:58.600 --> 1:25:00.000 was just gonna be like one episode or did you 1:25:00.040 --> 1:25:01.879 always know it was going to be this like longer 1:25:02.080 --> 1:25:03.880 love interest thing with Kelly Giddish. 1:25:03.960 --> 1:25:07.800 Yeah, I knew, well, I I got I got the offer. 1:25:07.840 --> 1:25:09.640 It's it's one of those rare, rare jobs that I 1:25:09.640 --> 1:25:12.799 didn't have to audition, which is just like never happens. 1:25:13.680 --> 1:25:16.599 But I knew and had worked and done a series 1:25:16.680 --> 1:25:20.240 for Michael Chernichen, who was I guess the showrunner at 1:25:20.240 --> 1:25:23.000 the time on the show. I think he was had 1:25:23.000 --> 1:25:24.840 done it for several years and then stopped thinking back 1:25:24.880 --> 1:25:25.479 and back and forth. 1:25:25.520 --> 1:25:28.680 But but yeah, so he said, hey, come you want 1:25:28.680 --> 1:25:31.320 to come be a love interest of this character? And 1:25:31.320 --> 1:25:33.559 I said, sure, man, And I thought it was gonna 1:25:33.560 --> 1:25:35.360 be one or two, and I guess it turned into four, 1:25:36.960 --> 1:25:38.760 and and then I kept thinking, hey, maybe it's like 1:25:38.800 --> 1:25:41.960 he'd know, and the teams for Driver said, I don't worry, 1:25:42.000 --> 1:25:46.000 he's not gonna last. He's like, well, wait wait what Yeah, no, no, no, 1:25:46.000 --> 1:25:47.680 because she's too she's too big of a deal with 1:25:47.720 --> 1:25:48.719 the other the lead characters. 1:25:48.800 --> 1:25:48.960 Yah. 1:25:49.600 --> 1:25:51.200 Yeah, I was like, oh ship. 1:25:51.560 --> 1:25:55.360 So yeah, but I could see you coming back needing 1:25:55.520 --> 1:26:00.440 something from the squad yeah yeah, or or you're involved 1:26:00.760 --> 1:26:02.040 like the patient. 1:26:01.880 --> 1:26:04.400 Something, there's a baby. 1:26:04.560 --> 1:26:06.800 That's what I don't understand that. I don't understand why 1:26:06.840 --> 1:26:09.040 you haven't come back for like a little bit of like, uh, 1:26:09.400 --> 1:26:11.519 I want to spend time with my daughter kind. 1:26:11.320 --> 1:26:13.400 Of, That's what I was thinking. 1:26:13.520 --> 1:26:15.919 Yeah, busy and he's busy making the round. 1:26:15.800 --> 1:26:16.799 Yeah exactly. 1:26:18.280 --> 1:26:21.200 Do you is your character independently wealthy or doctor rich 1:26:22.000 --> 1:26:22.920 and they're just cops? 1:26:23.840 --> 1:26:27.800 I think, you know, I think that maybe he's just 1:26:28.479 --> 1:26:29.800 done okay as being a doctor. 1:26:30.040 --> 1:26:32.640 I'm gonna go with that. Okay. 1:26:32.920 --> 1:26:36.000 Have you ever been at a restaurant and ordered like 1:26:36.120 --> 1:26:38.120 all the dessert or everything on the menu. 1:26:39.120 --> 1:26:42.520 Do you have any personal life? What's your big flashy 1:26:42.600 --> 1:26:43.439 restaurant moment? 1:26:44.360 --> 1:26:45.960 What's my thing flashy? 1:26:46.200 --> 1:26:48.120 You know our flashy restaurants we go to here in 1:26:48.160 --> 1:26:51.200 Eli's three Months, which we love like to sit, like 1:26:51.280 --> 1:26:53.400 to sit at the counter and watch Nancy Silverton come 1:26:53.439 --> 1:26:57.000 in and you know, you know, place that you know, 1:26:57.080 --> 1:27:00.560 compose the plates and stuff and yeah. 1:27:00.280 --> 1:27:02.479 Great one. I love it, love it, love it, love it. 1:27:02.560 --> 1:27:05.120 Yeah yeah, we ordered just lots of matsa rollan, not 1:27:05.160 --> 1:27:05.839 a lot of dessert. 1:27:07.000 --> 1:27:09.400 One of my favorite things about this episode is that 1:27:09.439 --> 1:27:12.920 there's a cut scene where you I don't know if 1:27:12.960 --> 1:27:14.760 you remember this, because I don't know if you watch 1:27:14.800 --> 1:27:16.760 the episodes of like What you Do after you do that? 1:27:16.840 --> 1:27:17.120 I did. 1:27:17.320 --> 1:27:19.439 Sometimes I do and don't, but I did watch these. 1:27:19.479 --> 1:27:22.759 You're busier, you do want a scene of you giving 1:27:22.760 --> 1:27:25.439 the heimlick to a little girl while you're in the 1:27:25.479 --> 1:27:30.280 restaurant with Kelly Yiddish and girl like, it's so funny 1:27:30.280 --> 1:27:33.280 because like it's on YouTube and yeah, you just like 1:27:33.400 --> 1:27:35.360 pop it out real quick and then the little girls 1:27:35.439 --> 1:27:37.320 like thank you, and then you just go back to 1:27:37.360 --> 1:27:37.880 your seat. 1:27:37.960 --> 1:27:39.439 And yeah, I kind of forgot about that. 1:27:39.520 --> 1:27:41.439 I was just trying to humanize him, right because he 1:27:41.560 --> 1:27:43.600 was sort of a dish right for she's kind of 1:27:43.640 --> 1:27:45.479 mean and cheetah, and then he's like just to show hey, 1:27:45.520 --> 1:27:46.000 I'm a good guy. 1:27:46.080 --> 1:27:47.280 Yeah I remember that. It was good. 1:27:47.360 --> 1:27:51.160 Yeah, yeah, yeah, is your character and scandal because like 1:27:51.200 --> 1:27:55.400 to me, you're like, to me, you're like Father of 1:27:55.400 --> 1:27:57.559 the Bride, You're all these like I watched all these 1:27:57.600 --> 1:28:01.240 movies you were in, like even It Takes Two. That's 1:28:01.640 --> 1:28:03.400 back when I was looking at your see that what 1:28:03.560 --> 1:28:05.600 I was when I was a kid that was on 1:28:05.680 --> 1:28:08.320 TV all the time, Like I see like I want 1:28:08.360 --> 1:28:10.599 like Adventures of babysitting. Like you seem like you always 1:28:10.600 --> 1:28:12.000 played kind of like the nice guy. 1:28:12.400 --> 1:28:12.679 Yeah. 1:28:12.800 --> 1:28:14.320 Yeah, and then I don't know, like I don't know 1:28:14.320 --> 1:28:16.439 what your character in Scandal is because I'm sorry, I 1:28:16.479 --> 1:28:17.240 never I'm just like. 1:28:18.600 --> 1:28:21.880 I'll tell you. I played an assassin. He was a 1:28:21.920 --> 1:28:25.200 really bad guy. Yeah, it was a cool part. It's 1:28:25.240 --> 1:28:27.160 one of the coolest parts I've ever gotten to. So 1:28:27.280 --> 1:28:29.599 he was assassin, but he got to be funny and 1:28:29.640 --> 1:28:30.880 I kind of ended up with a girl at the 1:28:30.920 --> 1:28:32.200 end that stayed on in seven years. 1:28:32.240 --> 1:28:32.559 It was. 1:28:32.640 --> 1:28:34.559 It was a great It was a great part, really 1:28:34.600 --> 1:28:37.920 interesting character. But he killed a lot of people, tortured 1:28:37.920 --> 1:28:38.960 with a lot of people. 1:28:38.840 --> 1:28:40.400 And you got to do all those scenes. 1:28:40.720 --> 1:28:43.080 I got to do all that stuff. Yeah, man, it was. 1:28:43.520 --> 1:28:43.880 It was one. 1:28:44.000 --> 1:28:45.920 It was actually I got hired as a guest star 1:28:46.320 --> 1:28:48.760 and I did one episode and then three episodes later, 1:28:48.760 --> 1:28:50.679 I get on another and another, and then my character 1:28:50.760 --> 1:28:53.240 kind of became like this all purpose hit man for 1:28:53.320 --> 1:28:55.040 all the people who were doing all these shitty things 1:28:55.040 --> 1:28:57.360 on the show. And I got to just keep going. 1:28:57.360 --> 1:28:58.559 And I said, well, how am I going to stay 1:28:58.560 --> 1:29:00.439 on this when I getting killed? And I said, I 1:29:00.439 --> 1:29:01.960 got it. I gotta be funny, I gotta do something. 1:29:01.960 --> 1:29:04.200 So I kind of would try to insert little things 1:29:04.240 --> 1:29:07.559 that made me as appealing as possible for bad guys. 1:29:07.600 --> 1:29:10.200 So so I was so as I managed, with some 1:29:10.280 --> 1:29:11.200 help from some writer. 1:29:11.160 --> 1:29:14.160 Friends, to stay on the show. I went to I 1:29:14.160 --> 1:29:14.960 went to that job. 1:29:15.479 --> 1:29:17.519 There were four times where I was dead in the 1:29:17.560 --> 1:29:20.799 morning and by the afternoon they'd kept me alive on 1:29:20.800 --> 1:29:22.120 on four different emicods. 1:29:22.479 --> 1:29:24.760 So yeah, I was. I would sweat every time i'd 1:29:24.800 --> 1:29:25.360 go to the table. 1:29:25.800 --> 1:29:28.280 You have done like you've done. You've been working for 1:29:28.320 --> 1:29:30.320 a long time and you've done all these procedurals. But 1:29:30.640 --> 1:29:34.439 is this little arc as Al Pollock like the first 1:29:34.600 --> 1:29:36.360 Dick Wolf Universe thing you ever did? 1:29:38.080 --> 1:29:40.120 Uh? Hold on, let me think. 1:29:40.280 --> 1:29:42.280 Because I went through your IMDb and like, I didn't 1:29:42.280 --> 1:29:45.760 see any other law and orders or any fires or meds. 1:29:46.240 --> 1:29:48.439 No, wait, hold on, I didn't do the fires or meds. 1:29:48.920 --> 1:29:49.360 I did. 1:29:49.600 --> 1:29:54.040 I did all the uh, shoot, what's what's the thing 1:29:54.040 --> 1:29:54.839 with Billy Peterson? 1:29:55.080 --> 1:29:59.960 All the not csize csize. I did all the CSI 1:30:01.920 --> 1:30:04.040 and then I did look, I did, I did s 1:30:04.120 --> 1:30:05.840 for you. I don't think I didn't know. 1:30:05.880 --> 1:30:08.080 You got some cold cases Boston. 1:30:09.960 --> 1:30:11.080 There's about two years there. 1:30:11.240 --> 1:30:14.360 I was the purp on every show for two years, 1:30:14.800 --> 1:30:16.719 and uh, and then it stopped and then. 1:30:16.640 --> 1:30:20.040 You know, uh, but you have like nice sky face, 1:30:20.160 --> 1:30:23.839 so you're not the first person that people think exactly. 1:30:23.960 --> 1:30:26.160 Yeah, everybody, everybody's going to go through that cycle and 1:30:26.200 --> 1:30:29.600 you come out the other. Yeah. I've been doing it 1:30:29.600 --> 1:30:32.439 a long time, so it's I've been I've been really lucky. 1:30:32.479 --> 1:30:35.920 It's been a little slow these last couple of years, boys, 1:30:35.960 --> 1:30:40.360 since the stay at home and the strikes, strike and stuff. Man, 1:30:40.400 --> 1:30:44.400 it is, it's glacially slow. At the moment it comes wrong, 1:30:44.479 --> 1:30:45.080 it'll come wrong. 1:30:45.200 --> 1:30:51.760 Yeah, you've I mean you've done like that, you've read. Yes, 1:30:51.880 --> 1:30:53.639 you do a lot of voiceover. 1:30:54.080 --> 1:30:55.920 I do a lot of voiceover. I mean I gotta 1:30:55.920 --> 1:30:57.559 stay busy. You gotta stay busy, man. 1:30:57.680 --> 1:31:03.599 Yeah, what are you do you have any like stuff 1:31:03.600 --> 1:31:06.040 of your of Superman? Like, did you get any cool. 1:31:06.400 --> 1:31:08.599 What are they called where it's clear like the film 1:31:08.640 --> 1:31:09.360 with the drawings. 1:31:09.479 --> 1:31:12.439 Oh yeah, how did I do? I have a company? 1:31:12.479 --> 1:31:14.760 I think like animation cells, cells. 1:31:14.520 --> 1:31:16.880 Some animation cells. I have drawings. 1:31:17.280 --> 1:31:20.479 I have some drawings from the animators that that just 1:31:20.560 --> 1:31:23.320 drew stuff for me. I don't have any original cells 1:31:23.360 --> 1:31:27.599 from the shows. But I'm the longest running Superman uh 1:31:27.720 --> 1:31:29.160 in in history. 1:31:29.240 --> 1:31:30.760 Actually, I've just. 1:31:30.680 --> 1:31:33.920 Been doing it for almost twenty twenty years, from from 1:31:33.960 --> 1:31:36.960 all the from all the animated shows, the games, and 1:31:37.000 --> 1:31:38.680 the one off movies. I mean there's been there have 1:31:38.680 --> 1:31:42.120 been another. There's another Superman super in between. 1:31:42.200 --> 1:31:46.920 Christopher Reeve, the newer guy. Horn Sweat's the new guy. 1:31:47.400 --> 1:31:49.519 Oh he's great. I just need any animation. 1:31:49.920 --> 1:31:52.719 Animation Hanry Cavils, the guy was trying to think of no. 1:31:52.600 --> 1:31:55.240 No no in the animated world and the longest running 1:31:55.320 --> 1:31:57.080 you know, yeah, I've been sucked. 1:31:57.720 --> 1:31:59.160 You know, I've been like you to do that games 1:31:59.160 --> 1:32:00.840 and movies and. 1:32:00.240 --> 1:32:02.800 And then you've narrated over five hundred audiobooks. 1:32:03.120 --> 1:32:05.559 It's six hundred at this point. 1:32:06.760 --> 1:32:07.519 I've been there today. 1:32:07.520 --> 1:32:09.760 I've been in the booth right spent four feet for 1:32:09.840 --> 1:32:11.760 me right now, But in there I got to go 1:32:11.760 --> 1:32:13.000 back in when we finish. 1:32:13.400 --> 1:32:15.120 You know, do you ever are you ever narrating an 1:32:15.160 --> 1:32:17.080 audiobook and you're like, this book is bad? 1:32:18.479 --> 1:32:21.040 Oh all about more than half the time. More than 1:32:21.040 --> 1:32:24.760 half the time. Oh yeah, yeah. But it's what's great 1:32:24.760 --> 1:32:26.840 about it is that it for for for me, I've 1:32:26.920 --> 1:32:27.839 just been really fortunate. 1:32:28.520 --> 1:32:29.800 You don't have to have an agent, you don't have 1:32:29.800 --> 1:32:30.080 to wait. 1:32:30.840 --> 1:32:34.040 You have direct relationships with publishers, so I reach out 1:32:34.040 --> 1:32:35.760 to them and I have conversations with the authors and 1:32:35.760 --> 1:32:36.280 the publishers. 1:32:36.320 --> 1:32:38.559 There's no it's it's not a show quote unquote show 1:32:38.600 --> 1:32:39.160 business job. 1:32:39.640 --> 1:32:43.439 It's more like a like a one man it's like 1:32:43.479 --> 1:32:47.479 a stand up or a one one man performance piece 1:32:47.560 --> 1:32:51.519 every time because you're recording, you're directing yourself, you're engineering yourself, 1:32:51.960 --> 1:32:55.200 you're performing it. You're you know, there's some technical aspects 1:32:55.240 --> 1:32:59.599 to this on the computer, but it's solitary. But it's 1:32:59.640 --> 1:33:02.559 a union job, which is great. So it's it's it's 1:33:02.600 --> 1:33:05.880 great to stay I can stay busy in between jobs. 1:33:05.880 --> 1:33:08.080 So it's wonderful. Yeah. 1:33:08.200 --> 1:33:10.080 Yeah, Unfortunately it has been a really long stretch of 1:33:10.160 --> 1:33:13.240 his last batch. But but uh, but it's good. It's 1:33:13.520 --> 1:33:16.400 it's really hard, hard, hard on the heart of my 1:33:16.520 --> 1:33:19.840 voice because I'm I'm talking for six hours a day 1:33:20.479 --> 1:33:23.920 non stop, you know, and and it's really hard, but 1:33:24.320 --> 1:33:28.360 it's keeps your brain active, you know, it's you know, stimulating, 1:33:28.400 --> 1:33:30.160 and it's. 1:33:30.000 --> 1:33:31.320 Like you have to be like an athlete. 1:33:31.360 --> 1:33:34.599 You know, you're you're breathing and you're all of all 1:33:34.600 --> 1:33:36.800 the rest of it. 1:33:35.439 --> 1:33:38.559 It's it's it's definitely disciplined. You know. 1:33:38.840 --> 1:33:40.800 Do you have to read the book or how many 1:33:40.840 --> 1:33:42.640 times before you report it? 1:33:43.400 --> 1:33:46.760 My good god, how could you? I don't know. I mean, 1:33:46.760 --> 1:33:48.639 I'm telling you, I got a four hundred page book. 1:33:48.640 --> 1:33:51.560 I can't possibly read the four hundred page book and 1:33:51.600 --> 1:33:52.840 then reread the I mean. 1:33:53.520 --> 1:33:54.479 There's there's not enough time. 1:33:54.560 --> 1:33:56.880 So you kind of you know, you you scan it, 1:33:57.000 --> 1:33:59.439 you do the do the prep work for it. If 1:33:59.439 --> 1:34:00.920 it's a fiction, you know, you got to stand all 1:34:00.920 --> 1:34:03.560 the one one one of the science fiction things. I 1:34:03.560 --> 1:34:05.720 had two hundred characters and I have to sketch it 1:34:05.720 --> 1:34:07.840 out on a notebook and as a you know, who 1:34:07.880 --> 1:34:09.960 are the main ones, who's you know, who speaks the 1:34:09.960 --> 1:34:13.000 most and where are they from? Do they assign accents 1:34:13.040 --> 1:34:15.200 to it? You can reference this stuff. They're a program 1:34:15.240 --> 1:34:18.559 I've got on my computer, but uh, you have to 1:34:18.560 --> 1:34:20.799 do the prep work. But as I'm reading, and I'm 1:34:20.920 --> 1:34:23.599 generally reading it, you know, for the first time. 1:34:25.240 --> 1:34:28.639 Sense like you know, he's a British guy. It got 1:34:28.800 --> 1:34:31.200 like that. You know, you don't go crazy all the time. 1:34:31.479 --> 1:34:34.120 You not just sort of give it a you give. 1:34:34.040 --> 1:34:37.519 A hint of it unless it's is super pronounced, because 1:34:37.560 --> 1:34:39.920 otherwise it takes the listener out of the book, you know. 1:34:40.200 --> 1:34:42.400 Yeah, and if they're Brits, they know there's like so 1:34:42.560 --> 1:34:45.400 many regional accents they'll know they're wrong. 1:34:45.600 --> 1:34:49.080 Yeah, And you know, I'm sure that I've got about 1:34:49.080 --> 1:34:50.240 four British accents. 1:34:50.760 --> 1:34:52.320 Uh, and they're like hundreds of them. 1:34:52.400 --> 1:34:55.400 But you know, George, you mentioned being from the South, 1:34:55.840 --> 1:34:58.639 and you know, I mean I was looking up your 1:34:59.080 --> 1:35:02.360 your bio and in this age of NEPO babies, you 1:35:02.439 --> 1:35:04.800 seem like you just came from like a pretty non 1:35:04.880 --> 1:35:08.640 Hollywood family in Arkansas. So then it was like the 1:35:08.720 --> 1:35:11.920 next step was northwestern and then starting to act or 1:35:11.960 --> 1:35:14.439 like how did you did you do theater in Chicago? 1:35:14.479 --> 1:35:15.240 For I did? 1:35:15.360 --> 1:35:18.439 I did children's theater out of Little Rock, Arkansas, I 1:35:18.439 --> 1:35:21.720 believe it or not, Since I was thirteenth, I was 1:35:22.200 --> 1:35:24.320 I was doing tons of musicals in Arkansas, and I 1:35:24.400 --> 1:35:26.599 was did a couple of musical tours that actually came 1:35:26.640 --> 1:35:29.280 to New York. I spent some time in the child 1:35:29.320 --> 1:35:32.679 Was Theater in Minneapolis when I was fourteen. I would 1:35:32.880 --> 1:35:36.120 spend a semester up in Minneapolis. But uh, and then 1:35:36.160 --> 1:35:38.880 I went to Northwestern and did a ton of shows 1:35:38.920 --> 1:35:42.240 at school, and I thought, I was, I did you 1:35:42.240 --> 1:35:45.240 know stuff in Equity theaters in Chicago at the time, 1:35:45.960 --> 1:35:47.400 and I thought it was going to end up in 1:35:47.400 --> 1:35:50.760 New York. But I auditioned for this this movie, and 1:35:50.800 --> 1:35:52.519 I got flown out to la when I was a 1:35:52.600 --> 1:35:55.960 junior in college, and it was Back to the Future 1:35:56.080 --> 1:35:58.160 and I got down to the very end of that 1:35:58.200 --> 1:36:02.519 thing between right before Eric Stilts got hired and I did. 1:36:02.680 --> 1:36:05.640 I did a twelve hour screen test with everybody. The 1:36:05.680 --> 1:36:08.080 whole cast had been cast, they built the sets and everything, 1:36:08.600 --> 1:36:11.080 and I just left my you know, my theater class 1:36:11.080 --> 1:36:12.559 at school. I got on an airplane, came out there, 1:36:12.560 --> 1:36:15.040 and what the hell is this? So I kind of 1:36:15.080 --> 1:36:16.720 that event for me. I got so close to it 1:36:16.880 --> 1:36:21.559 and it was really really fun. But that experience sort 1:36:21.600 --> 1:36:23.280 of said we maybe don't go to New York. 1:36:23.200 --> 1:36:26.400 Now, maybe go to LA. And so then I went 1:36:26.479 --> 1:36:28.040 up to LA when I graduating. 1:36:27.760 --> 1:36:30.720 And are your kids in the arts? 1:36:31.200 --> 1:36:31.479 None? 1:36:31.520 --> 1:36:32.640 They want nothing to do with it. 1:36:32.800 --> 1:36:32.840 No. 1:36:36.479 --> 1:36:39.599 My oldest is a she's a works for social media 1:36:39.600 --> 1:36:41.800 for a restaurant group and does events. 1:36:41.840 --> 1:36:44.240 She's she's she had a design degree. My middle girl 1:36:44.960 --> 1:36:46.559 worked for the New York Times for five years. She 1:36:46.600 --> 1:36:47.879 lives in London with her boyfriend. 1:36:47.880 --> 1:36:51.559 And my youngest it lives in Chicago and he's in 1:36:51.600 --> 1:36:53.519 commercial real estate. They don't want anything to do. They 1:36:53.560 --> 1:36:56.080 saw how hard it was with two hours growing. It 1:36:56.120 --> 1:36:59.760 was it's it's a bitch. It's fun, it's really fun, 1:36:59.800 --> 1:37:02.040 but you know, if you want to have like have 1:37:02.080 --> 1:37:04.599 a family and raise kids and stuff, it's just it 1:37:04.680 --> 1:37:07.280 was hard then. I can't imagine how how it is 1:37:07.320 --> 1:37:11.000 now because it could change, you know, dramatically. 1:37:11.240 --> 1:37:15.040 So how did it end up where you became Julius 1:37:15.080 --> 1:37:18.639 sugar Baker's son, because that's like really out of this world. 1:37:19.280 --> 1:37:23.479 A huge Carter fan, that's crazy. So I was when 1:37:23.479 --> 1:37:26.280 I was a senior in high school. They came this 1:37:26.640 --> 1:37:29.840 TV movie came to Arkansas to shoot the Teve movie, 1:37:29.840 --> 1:37:32.040 and I auditioned and I got a part because the 1:37:32.080 --> 1:37:36.080 producer was a football coach, Harry Thomas and who was 1:37:36.120 --> 1:37:38.880 married to Lynda Bloodwork thomasin he was a football coach 1:37:39.520 --> 1:37:43.040 turned producer and just moved to LA and he had 1:37:43.040 --> 1:37:44.840 seen me as a kid and children's theater. So hey 1:37:44.840 --> 1:37:46.599 come out in nodiciably. So yeah, I got my SAG 1:37:46.680 --> 1:37:49.639 card Mi union card. Was a senior in high school. 1:37:49.760 --> 1:37:51.679 And then when I came out to LA after college, 1:37:51.760 --> 1:37:54.840 this is you know whatever. Six years later, my first 1:37:54.920 --> 1:37:56.920 audition was for Designing Women and I walked in the 1:37:56.960 --> 1:38:00.439 room and Harry goes hey, I said, we called you 1:38:00.479 --> 1:38:02.320 and do you remember from Blue Ragams? Oh my god 1:38:02.320 --> 1:38:05.120 of courseriy. So anyway, so I auditioned and I got 1:38:05.120 --> 1:38:10.080 that part. So and I knew I'm close to to 1:38:10.200 --> 1:38:14.479 Harry and Lindon, that whole group and Annie Potts and 1:38:15.080 --> 1:38:19.639 I miss Dixie terribly, terrible, terrible loss. 1:38:19.680 --> 1:38:22.280 But She's was a beautiful woman, wonder wonderful. 1:38:21.960 --> 1:38:24.519 Person, gone too soon. I mean I was so obsessed 1:38:24.560 --> 1:38:26.599 with her, like I love her. 1:38:28.000 --> 1:38:30.479 She was life force man, she was something. 1:38:30.880 --> 1:38:33.120 Yeah like later she came later, she was on Desperate 1:38:33.160 --> 1:38:35.360 Housewives when it was and I was like, she is 1:38:35.520 --> 1:38:39.960 just like the best. Annie Potts is a recurring SVU 1:38:40.280 --> 1:38:41.000 legend as well. 1:38:41.160 --> 1:38:44.000 Sure, sure, yeah, I don't. I don't know. You know, 1:38:44.080 --> 1:38:45.280 you guys watched all that. I don't. 1:38:45.320 --> 1:38:48.200 I don't watch them. I watch all those proceduals that much. 1:38:48.280 --> 1:38:51.360 I know they're super popular. I have the attention span 1:38:51.439 --> 1:38:52.120 of the squirrel. 1:38:52.439 --> 1:38:53.640 Can people recognize you? 1:38:53.680 --> 1:38:56.559 Because these are all shows with such big fandoms? Do 1:38:56.640 --> 1:38:59.160 you ever get like What's in the Street? 1:38:59.240 --> 1:39:00.760 I do a lot of cop I do a lot 1:39:00.800 --> 1:39:04.400 of comic cons for the voice of Superman in this 1:39:04.439 --> 1:39:05.559 other video game character. 1:39:05.640 --> 1:39:07.840 So so the last six years I got to a 1:39:07.840 --> 1:39:08.519 lot of com cons. 1:39:08.520 --> 1:39:10.880 So come to my table, and a lot of people 1:39:10.920 --> 1:39:13.040 do know me from the SPU thing. 1:39:13.040 --> 1:39:15.400 And then it was only four episodes. I'm shocked. 1:39:15.600 --> 1:39:18.680 Yeah, but well you're it's a love interest of one 1:39:18.680 --> 1:39:22.160 of the detectives. It's not like you're some Lucy goosey criminal. 1:39:22.320 --> 1:39:25.000 You're in there and you did her. 1:39:24.920 --> 1:39:28.560 Dirty Kelly So Kelly Kelly. Yeah, so Kelly left the 1:39:28.560 --> 1:39:29.599 show and now she's back on run. 1:39:29.720 --> 1:39:33.320 Yeah, she didn't leave. She definitely was contentious. It was 1:39:33.360 --> 1:39:35.360 like what happened to Maloney after twelve years, they didn't 1:39:35.360 --> 1:39:37.360 want to pay her, so then they fired her and 1:39:37.400 --> 1:39:39.320 then I think the fandom was livid. 1:39:40.040 --> 1:39:42.160 So then and. 1:39:42.080 --> 1:39:45.960 She's still with Caresi, who Peter Scanavino, So that was weird. 1:39:46.320 --> 1:39:49.559 So they made her a professor and then now they 1:39:49.640 --> 1:39:52.160 like use her for help, but they can't afford her 1:39:52.200 --> 1:39:56.439 and Iced Tea right now. So this season they're both 1:39:56.560 --> 1:39:57.479 kind of part. 1:39:57.320 --> 1:40:00.680 Time interesting, interesting and kept up. 1:40:01.080 --> 1:40:02.679 So well, yeah, that would be crazy if you did, 1:40:02.800 --> 1:40:06.160 but Ice See says he's keeping busy anyways, you know 1:40:06.200 --> 1:40:06.880 he'll do it. 1:40:07.439 --> 1:40:11.000 Yeah, like the bag after like ca Scale, I don't 1:40:11.000 --> 1:40:13.439 know if it can like handle, like when someone like 1:40:13.640 --> 1:40:15.439 Iced Tea has been on a show for like twenty 1:40:15.479 --> 1:40:18.960 seven years. It's the longest running show, so like both 1:40:19.040 --> 1:40:22.120 him and then Kelly Ginnish probably also are like expensive 1:40:22.200 --> 1:40:23.840 in terms of like sure. 1:40:23.800 --> 1:40:28.880 But we interviewed her right after that moment and we 1:40:28.880 --> 1:40:31.080 felt like we got an exclusive and it felt like 1:40:31.360 --> 1:40:33.240 she was pissed, so we're happy. 1:40:33.600 --> 1:40:36.640 Yeah, yeah, well that's good and. 1:40:36.880 --> 1:40:43.280 Sure like residuals forever. But was there yeah, like overall 1:40:43.320 --> 1:40:46.280 working on the SVU set, like any little tidbits, any 1:40:46.280 --> 1:40:48.240 little fun things that happened, we just you know, our 1:40:48.320 --> 1:40:49.599 viewers love the inside school. 1:40:49.640 --> 1:40:49.800 You know. 1:40:49.840 --> 1:40:54.800 I've known Mauritia for thirty years. Oh yeah, just as 1:40:54.800 --> 1:40:57.719 an actress, you know, banging around Los Angeles. And she's 1:40:57.800 --> 1:41:00.800 good friends with other good friends of mine h from 1:41:00.880 --> 1:41:03.000 their college years. And one of the guys actually dated 1:41:03.000 --> 1:41:03.679 her for a minute. 1:41:04.920 --> 1:41:06.960 And she and I. 1:41:06.880 --> 1:41:10.840 Tested for she Shut together at CBS once and neither 1:41:10.880 --> 1:41:13.800 one of us got it, although we were, oh, no, 1:41:13.920 --> 1:41:15.800 this is yours to lose, and we go, okay, let's go. 1:41:15.800 --> 1:41:19.400 We going to get both of us bumps. But but 1:41:19.520 --> 1:41:23.280 she's it's been. It's really fun to watch to have 1:41:23.360 --> 1:41:25.160 watched her own sort of evolve on the show and 1:41:25.200 --> 1:41:27.320 it being such a big hit, and for being a 1:41:27.400 --> 1:41:30.280 spokesman and and all for all these things, and uh, 1:41:30.760 --> 1:41:34.720 it's it's it's pretty impressive and unbelievable that that show 1:41:34.760 --> 1:41:36.600 is on for so long. No show has stay on 1:41:36.640 --> 1:41:38.639 that long, you know. Crazy. 1:41:39.120 --> 1:41:41.519 Yeah, she really did it. 1:41:42.680 --> 1:41:44.400 Yeah, she's she's she's a good one. 1:41:44.560 --> 1:41:46.160 What it's coming up for you? 1:41:46.680 --> 1:41:48.080 Well, I did a movie a year and a half 1:41:48.120 --> 1:41:54.920 ago called A Prince with I'm Sorry, Andy Garcia, JK. Simmons, 1:41:55.439 --> 1:41:59.559 Nicholas Cage and who else is in it. Gunning Scott Hayes, 1:41:59.560 --> 1:42:02.880 He's is the lead of it. What's it called The Prince? 1:42:03.800 --> 1:42:06.839 And David Mammont wrote it. David Mammont wrote it. 1:42:06.560 --> 1:42:09.840 So it's so it's good good pedigree. Script is really good. 1:42:10.560 --> 1:42:13.280 It hasn't gotten released, it hasn't gotten distribution as far 1:42:13.280 --> 1:42:15.240 as I know, So I don't. 1:42:15.080 --> 1:42:16.200 Have a big part of it, but I have a 1:42:16.200 --> 1:42:20.000 smaller part. But that's the last bigger thing I did, 1:42:20.560 --> 1:42:22.719 and the rest of it. I've been doing video games 1:42:22.720 --> 1:42:26.280 and narration. And you know, I'm also on an olive farmer. 1:42:26.360 --> 1:42:26.880 We have a farm. 1:42:27.000 --> 1:42:29.000 I know. I was gonna ask you about this in 1:42:29.439 --> 1:42:31.360 you have this olive oil? You are busy? 1:42:31.520 --> 1:42:32.240 What the fuck? 1:42:32.479 --> 1:42:33.120 So many things? 1:42:33.320 --> 1:42:34.880 What listen, What are you gonna do is sit on 1:42:34.880 --> 1:42:37.320 your butt all day? I can't. I gotta do something. 1:42:37.439 --> 1:42:38.719 So you're making olive oil. 1:42:39.520 --> 1:42:42.480 Yeah, we have four hundred trees that we planted, and 1:42:42.600 --> 1:42:44.320 I'm kind of the I kind of do it all. 1:42:44.360 --> 1:42:46.280 Yeah, I've got We've got eight different varietals. 1:42:46.280 --> 1:42:48.760 And how'd you get into it? 1:42:48.800 --> 1:42:53.439 We we had we built this house in the wine 1:42:53.439 --> 1:42:56.479 country north of Santa Barbara about twenty years ago, and 1:42:56.520 --> 1:42:58.400 we put some smaller, all the trees around the house, 1:42:58.400 --> 1:43:00.000 and then they got really big and they started throwing 1:43:00.120 --> 1:43:02.479 off all these islands. And about five years ago it's like, what, 1:43:02.920 --> 1:43:06.400 you know, we do something of this And yeah, then 1:43:06.439 --> 1:43:08.439 I kind of got into I got massively into it, 1:43:08.439 --> 1:43:10.080 and then it just we started planting and planting and 1:43:10.120 --> 1:43:11.200 planting plenty. 1:43:11.479 --> 1:43:14.919 So uh, we have a farm now and it's really beautiful. 1:43:15.040 --> 1:43:17.760 And the olive oil is called hands right. 1:43:18.160 --> 1:43:21.720 Ten hands hands, and it's the quality is insane, it's 1:43:21.720 --> 1:43:24.360 so good. We only made three hundred bttles this year 1:43:24.800 --> 1:43:28.280 and I'm well, we haven't. We are not good with 1:43:28.320 --> 1:43:31.080 the distribution part of this. We have a website, but 1:43:31.280 --> 1:43:33.320 we when we get more to sell, we will put 1:43:33.320 --> 1:43:35.160 it on the website because they sell really quickly. 1:43:35.160 --> 1:43:39.400 When I mentioned it, it just just goes. So but 1:43:39.880 --> 1:43:41.080 when we have more to sell. 1:43:41.080 --> 1:43:43.559 I'm on the site. Okay, I'm ready, Yeah, yeah, We're 1:43:43.560 --> 1:43:44.080 all just. 1:43:44.200 --> 1:43:47.240 We sell it locally. We sell it locally, you know, folks. 1:43:47.280 --> 1:43:49.920 So yeah, you'll love it. You'll love it when you 1:43:49.960 --> 1:43:50.599 got it. 1:43:50.640 --> 1:43:52.640 Sounds like something that needs to go into Arawan, you 1:43:52.640 --> 1:43:54.760 know what I mean. Just charge like one hundred and 1:43:54.760 --> 1:43:55.679 fifty dollars a bottle. 1:43:57.800 --> 1:44:02.840 Jeez, I my daughter. Still that wasn't I understand that? 1:44:03.320 --> 1:44:03.680 Do you? 1:44:05.200 --> 1:44:10.000 I have to ask about Father of the Bride too, Yeah, obviously, Yeah, 1:44:10.240 --> 1:44:12.280 like the Father of the Bride was that like that 1:44:12.360 --> 1:44:14.439 movie just feels maybe it was like the age I 1:44:14.560 --> 1:44:16.280 was when it came out. It was just like such 1:44:16.280 --> 1:44:19.040 a big movie to me, you know. And it's on Delta. 1:44:19.280 --> 1:44:21.080 You can watch it anytime you want on a flight. 1:44:21.240 --> 1:44:21.439 Yeah. 1:44:21.479 --> 1:44:21.880 I love that. 1:44:22.000 --> 1:44:24.280 Yeah, it's it's a great movie. You know, it's just 1:44:24.280 --> 1:44:25.920 a great movie. Both both of them are really good. 1:44:26.040 --> 1:44:28.400 It's just I've done a lot of stinkers, but then 1:44:28.560 --> 1:44:30.880 a lot of kind of classic ones, which is fun. 1:44:31.080 --> 1:44:31.360 Yeah. 1:44:31.400 --> 1:44:33.479 So you know, do. 1:44:33.560 --> 1:44:35.040 People ever come up to you and go, you know, 1:44:35.120 --> 1:44:36.800 twenty two is a little bit young for Annie to 1:44:36.800 --> 1:44:37.519 be getting married. 1:44:38.120 --> 1:44:41.120 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I get I get it all 1:44:41.120 --> 1:44:44.240 the time in the airport, man, people you know, people 1:44:44.240 --> 1:44:45.880 in LA don't come up to me when I when 1:44:45.920 --> 1:44:46.439 I travel. 1:44:46.600 --> 1:44:49.280 It's like it's like suddenly, like why are people well, 1:44:49.280 --> 1:44:50.120 oh oh that's right. 1:44:50.160 --> 1:44:52.400 I guess usually Fathered Bride had been on a loop 1:44:52.479 --> 1:44:56.000 or something or scandal was just recently honestly, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:44:56.160 --> 1:44:57.479 I just sit in my booth all day and I 1:44:57.560 --> 1:44:59.000 don't I don't ever see people. 1:45:00.040 --> 1:45:01.880 And you're in the booth after this, you're just in 1:45:01.920 --> 1:45:05.200 there in the booth. Do you keep in touch with 1:45:05.200 --> 1:45:06.840 all your old scandal pals. 1:45:07.160 --> 1:45:07.519 We do. 1:45:07.560 --> 1:45:09.920 We have a really big text chain on what's happened, 1:45:10.160 --> 1:45:11.040 Probably talked three. 1:45:10.920 --> 1:45:11.439 Times a week. 1:45:11.800 --> 1:45:13.280 Nice. That's amazing. 1:45:15.080 --> 1:45:15.800 That's a great group. 1:45:16.320 --> 1:45:19.200 I love crushing it. I also am just still thinking, 1:45:19.240 --> 1:45:22.360 how like this movie with Nicholas Cage can't get distribution, 1:45:22.560 --> 1:45:25.920 Like what the fuck? Like it's David Mammott, like, let 1:45:26.040 --> 1:45:27.519 us watch it, we want it. 1:45:27.600 --> 1:45:29.799 Well I don't. I don't know that it can't get distribution. 1:45:29.840 --> 1:45:31.880 I don't know if if it's the right distribution, you know, 1:45:31.880 --> 1:45:34.840 I mean, and maybe waiting for a special deal. 1:45:35.200 --> 1:45:36.920 Yeah. I want to watch this. 1:45:37.680 --> 1:45:39.080 Yeah, I need too. I want to see it. 1:45:39.240 --> 1:45:42.160 I want to see it a satirical drama exploring the 1:45:42.200 --> 1:45:45.080 life of a troubled son within a powerful American dynasty, 1:45:45.640 --> 1:45:48.680 like I want Beverly friend of the Pod also on 1:45:48.840 --> 1:45:49.599 sv Oh. 1:45:49.760 --> 1:45:55.679 Yeah, I'm really glad that you came and did this. 1:45:55.960 --> 1:45:58.479 And I'm just think because the fact that you talk 1:45:58.520 --> 1:46:01.080 all day to give us some extra talking, we feel 1:46:01.360 --> 1:46:02.040 You're welcome. 1:46:02.400 --> 1:46:04.879 You're welcome. I have throat coat and pineapple juice. 1:46:05.160 --> 1:46:08.120 Wait, pineapple juice a thing? Tell us more? Wait, no, 1:46:08.280 --> 1:46:10.439 give us we're a stand away. We talk a lot too, 1:46:10.840 --> 1:46:14.000 ye will you be a secret constantly voice? 1:46:14.880 --> 1:46:15.920 Well, I'll tell you. 1:46:15.960 --> 1:46:18.439 So you start out in the morning or earlier in 1:46:18.479 --> 1:46:22.240 the day with throat warm tea, which is throat coat. Yeah, 1:46:23.400 --> 1:46:25.160 and then first you want to hydrate. You want to 1:46:25.200 --> 1:46:26.200 drink a couple of guys of water. 1:46:26.520 --> 1:46:27.120 That's where I'm out. 1:46:27.640 --> 1:46:30.599 Then start with throat coat, and then as the day 1:46:30.640 --> 1:46:33.479 goes on, you want to cool it down and maybe 1:46:33.520 --> 1:46:35.960 throw a little ice in there, and then then start 1:46:36.040 --> 1:46:39.040 adding pineapple juice to the throat coat. And then the 1:46:39.080 --> 1:46:42.759 pineapple juice is is it's an enzyme coach your throat. 1:46:42.920 --> 1:46:47.240 Wow, pineapple juice okay, into the throat coat, iced, and 1:46:47.240 --> 1:46:48.200 then it probably tastes good. 1:46:49.040 --> 1:46:54.240 It tastes great, it tastes great. Yeah, there you go. 1:46:55.880 --> 1:46:57.000 Pineapple juice is the key. 1:46:57.120 --> 1:47:06.000 Pineapple juice like ten people. So I'm excited. Oh oh 1:47:06.040 --> 1:47:07.280 my god. Okay, that was really fun. 1:47:07.320 --> 1:47:10.080 But something did just come into my brain and I'd 1:47:10.120 --> 1:47:14.200 like to discuss someone Yesterday was like who's your favorite 1:47:14.200 --> 1:47:16.000 NEPO And so we were like talking and I finally 1:47:16.000 --> 1:47:18.280 was like, oh, Marishka, like Marishka would be my favorite NEPO. 1:47:19.320 --> 1:47:21.800 That's like it should have come to me faster. And 1:47:21.840 --> 1:47:24.160 then this person said, Juli Louis Dreyfus. I go, she's 1:47:24.200 --> 1:47:27.320 just rich it's not NEPO, and they go, no, Richard 1:47:27.400 --> 1:47:28.559 Dreyfus is the father. 1:47:28.640 --> 1:47:32.519 I go, no, no, and he was just so sure 1:47:32.640 --> 1:47:35.559 and then of course wrong and embarrassed. I go, thank 1:47:35.600 --> 1:47:36.200 god it happened here. 1:47:36.240 --> 1:47:37.880 I'm like, I'm a safe space, like I'm glad it 1:47:37.880 --> 1:47:39.479 happened in front of me and I can just like 1:47:39.520 --> 1:47:40.400 correct you and move on. 1:47:40.560 --> 1:47:43.439 But you would be humiliated in life. They're like fourteen 1:47:43.479 --> 1:47:45.920 years apart. Maybe, Yeah, I was gonna say, they're like 1:47:46.880 --> 1:47:48.760 I'm looking up their ages right now, and I'm like, 1:47:48.800 --> 1:47:52.160 that's not even. They're thirteen years apart from each other 1:47:52.160 --> 1:47:57.240 in age, so it's not impossible, but it's not. No, Yeah, 1:47:57.320 --> 1:47:59.120 I think I thought that when I was like ten 1:47:59.240 --> 1:48:02.000 years old, like Seinfeld was first on, I was like, 1:48:02.200 --> 1:48:04.280 she must be related to Richard Drevis. Their names are 1:48:04.360 --> 1:48:06.360 also spelt differently. Y. 1:48:07.360 --> 1:48:10.280 Yeah, it's like it is you know, embarrassing things happen 1:48:10.479 --> 1:48:13.400 and it's good that I'm a safe space. Yeah yeah, 1:48:13.439 --> 1:48:16.000 but also just so sure to my face and I'm like, 1:48:16.640 --> 1:48:18.680 I I don't know what to tell you. 1:48:18.760 --> 1:48:21.320 It's just like you're just wrong. I thought they were 1:48:21.320 --> 1:48:24.920 gonna argue with you on the on whether it is 1:48:25.040 --> 1:48:28.160 kind of NEPO to just be the child of like 1:48:28.200 --> 1:48:30.160 people with billions of dollars. 1:48:30.200 --> 1:48:33.640 That's definitely a thing. But like in the discussion we, 1:48:33.880 --> 1:48:36.160 like I was having in my head, it's like, what 1:48:36.240 --> 1:48:39.080 are the industry people you know, Like, because I don't 1:48:39.280 --> 1:48:42.200 I respect NEPO, I think more than billionaire. 1:48:42.720 --> 1:48:44.760 Well, I mean cause it's all like related. It's like 1:48:44.800 --> 1:48:47.240 you're getting a leg up. Like a billionaire still knows 1:48:47.240 --> 1:48:49.639 a producer in Hollywood to call to get you an audition, 1:48:49.840 --> 1:48:51.439 you know what I mean, Like even if they are 1:48:51.479 --> 1:48:54.080 in finance, they still know these people. Like it's all 1:48:54.560 --> 1:48:57.479 you know, Like Lena Dunham's parents like one of them, 1:48:57.600 --> 1:48:59.880 Like she's always considered this hugepo and like aren't they 1:49:00.080 --> 1:49:03.200 Like if your mom's a fine artist, that's a famous 1:49:03.200 --> 1:49:05.799 fine artist, but you become an actor writer? Is that NEPO? 1:49:05.960 --> 1:49:09.000 Like, so someone we probably have talked about it on 1:49:09.040 --> 1:49:11.439 this I watched an interview. This isn't like an original take, 1:49:11.600 --> 1:49:14.720 but she was just saying, like with in terms of 1:49:14.800 --> 1:49:17.799 Lena Dunnam, where it's like both your parents are fine artists, 1:49:17.840 --> 1:49:21.000 like just knowing culture, just being able to go to 1:49:21.040 --> 1:49:25.080 stuff like knowing like when when the nepos go, my 1:49:25.200 --> 1:49:27.599 dad was just like a DP and it's like most 1:49:27.640 --> 1:49:29.800 people don't know that that's a job, yeah, you know, 1:49:29.960 --> 1:49:31.960 or that you could build a set, Like most people 1:49:32.000 --> 1:49:35.200 don't know these jobs even exist. It's like even living 1:49:35.280 --> 1:49:38.800 in New York City, like being proximity to culture and 1:49:38.880 --> 1:49:42.559 understanding your parents being super educated, Like there are just 1:49:42.720 --> 1:49:45.120 things that it's it's. 1:49:44.960 --> 1:49:45.519 A good thing. 1:49:45.720 --> 1:49:48.360 It's not like you deserve less, but it's just like 1:49:48.880 --> 1:49:51.040 not understanding that. 1:49:51.120 --> 1:49:52.720 It's kind of when I talk to the lions Gate 1:49:52.720 --> 1:49:54.680 guy who was like, well, everyone gets help, and I'm like, no, 1:49:54.760 --> 1:49:56.400 some people are in foster care, Like what are you 1:49:56.520 --> 1:49:59.320 talking about. So it's this idea because I think about 1:49:59.320 --> 1:50:01.200 it all the time when my immigrant parents like they 1:50:01.240 --> 1:50:04.160 don't they didn't know anything, Like I truly had to 1:50:04.200 --> 1:50:06.120 figure everything out. People are like why'd you go to 1:50:06.160 --> 1:50:07.000 Iowa for college? 1:50:07.040 --> 1:50:09.720 I go because I was seventeen and trusted to my 1:50:09.800 --> 1:50:12.200 own decisions and had no one telling me otherwise, Like 1:50:12.680 --> 1:50:15.640 no one like they and what they were telling me 1:50:17.400 --> 1:50:23.040 irrelevant to my life, like they were teaching me where 1:50:23.040 --> 1:50:25.720 it's just like, yeah, it's nonsense. It's the rich dad, 1:50:25.760 --> 1:50:26.240 poor dad. 1:50:26.280 --> 1:50:26.479 Shit. 1:50:26.640 --> 1:50:28.559 It's like if you know how to invest her, I 1:50:28.600 --> 1:50:30.799 have stocks as a kid, like all of those things. 1:50:31.040 --> 1:50:33.439 Like if your parents are super educator in the art 1:50:33.479 --> 1:50:35.720 world in New York City and you get to go 1:50:35.760 --> 1:50:39.800 to parties or their friends with writers and directors and 1:50:39.840 --> 1:50:43.240 you go to school with Martin Scorsese's daughter, Yeah, that's 1:50:43.240 --> 1:50:44.479 a different fucking life. 1:50:44.800 --> 1:50:47.240 I kind of like talking to George Nubern today because 1:50:47.280 --> 1:50:50.000 I thought it was interesting how he was literally grew 1:50:50.080 --> 1:50:52.120 up in like little Rock, Arkansas. 1:50:52.040 --> 1:50:54.640 With I always tell people, Miname, I'm so grateful to 1:50:54.680 --> 1:50:57.519 my high school theater teacher, Like I am aware enough 1:50:57.560 --> 1:51:00.160 to be like I had the best education and that's 1:51:00.200 --> 1:51:03.519 why I know things because I got to like work 1:51:03.520 --> 1:51:07.280 at a costume shop in high school and know what 1:51:07.320 --> 1:51:09.320 a black box theater is, you know what I mean? 1:51:09.520 --> 1:51:12.320 Like that is also huge, Like some people don't even 1:51:12.360 --> 1:51:14.720 have arts at their high school so I don't know. 1:51:14.880 --> 1:51:18.000 I just like don't know why people don't practice gratitude. 1:51:18.240 --> 1:51:19.599 But yeah, bring it back to George. 1:51:19.680 --> 1:51:20.200 He's great. 1:51:20.280 --> 1:51:22.479 I can't see him as like I only see him 1:51:22.479 --> 1:51:24.200 from Father of the Bride. Even looking at him now 1:51:24.240 --> 1:51:26.000 at his face, I just like see a young little guy, 1:51:26.200 --> 1:51:26.840 like I don't know. 1:51:26.840 --> 1:51:29.400 I know, it's like I gotta watch Scandal that he 1:51:29.720 --> 1:51:33.720 was an assassin, Like that's so wild. But he was 1:51:33.760 --> 1:51:36.000 lovely to talk to and I love that he's just 1:51:36.080 --> 1:51:41.719 reading these fucking books. Yeah book. 1:51:41.880 --> 1:51:44.680 I've done three voiceover auditions that I usually wouldn't do 1:51:44.720 --> 1:51:46.559 because I was like, oh, okay, I want to be 1:51:46.800 --> 1:51:47.599 I like this George. 1:51:47.600 --> 1:51:50.440 I like what George is up to. Oh yeah, voiceover 1:51:50.560 --> 1:51:51.639 is the best I know. 1:51:51.720 --> 1:51:53.680 But my thing is like I'm not going to like 1:51:54.000 --> 1:51:57.280 competing with people that are actually do this, like you 1:51:57.400 --> 1:51:59.680 either have to want me or not, Like I am 1:51:59.760 --> 1:52:01.000 not putting on a voice or not. 1:52:01.160 --> 1:52:04.360 Like it's either you want me or not. Yeah, that's 1:52:04.360 --> 1:52:04.880 what it is. 1:52:04.960 --> 1:52:07.720 So and I've been specific voice yeah yeah, So I've 1:52:07.720 --> 1:52:10.599 been kind of like neglectful about that, and now because 1:52:10.640 --> 1:52:12.519 of George, I've submitted a bunch. 1:52:13.360 --> 1:52:16.720 Hey, I'm always learning from our guests. You're always yeah, 1:52:16.720 --> 1:52:18.519 You're like keep taking note. You should, like we should 1:52:18.520 --> 1:52:20.960 write a book that's like what we learned from our guests. 1:52:20.920 --> 1:52:22.880 Because I actually think about it all the time. I 1:52:22.920 --> 1:52:25.479 have because I have fit conversations with myself because I'm 1:52:25.479 --> 1:52:26.479 alone most of the time. 1:52:26.840 --> 1:52:27.240 And. 1:52:28.880 --> 1:52:31.320 Like I was saying about favorite guests, and like Kelly Who, 1:52:31.360 --> 1:52:32.679 I still think about all the time. 1:52:33.160 --> 1:52:35.639 Oh yeah, I think about how she like sent out 1:52:35.680 --> 1:52:39.600 those cards car Like people had to freaking hustle so 1:52:39.760 --> 1:52:43.240 hard at the beginning of their careers back in the day, 1:52:43.240 --> 1:52:45.080 and you still do, but like you hustle in a 1:52:45.120 --> 1:52:46.879 different way. You like hustle to get followers. 1:52:46.920 --> 1:52:48.920 Now it feels just like yeah, taking out ads and 1:52:49.000 --> 1:52:52.639 variety and running around and like then like her getting 1:52:52.680 --> 1:52:55.120 the maxim sexy cover and then them being like, no, 1:52:55.240 --> 1:52:58.880 we don't want people to think it's Asian yah, and 1:52:58.920 --> 1:53:00.559 like we want a white person with you, and she 1:53:00.640 --> 1:53:02.559 fought for it, and then her cover was the most 1:53:02.640 --> 1:53:05.400 high selling cover ever in history. And it's just like 1:53:05.920 --> 1:53:08.559 thinking about Kelly Who, and then sorry, thinking about like 1:53:08.640 --> 1:53:10.800 Hudson williams Now and all of this is just like 1:53:11.880 --> 1:53:15.679 I don't know, it's time has gone. It's it's cool 1:53:15.720 --> 1:53:20.200 to see things be better so much as bad or 1:53:20.240 --> 1:53:23.360 not moving. So it's just cool to see that they 1:53:23.360 --> 1:53:25.520 wouldn't even put her on the cover of a magazine. 1:53:26.520 --> 1:53:27.519 And now it's. 1:53:27.360 --> 1:53:30.639 Like, yeah, yeah, I think I think about Kelly Who 1:53:30.720 --> 1:53:33.040 a lot. Well, you know I've been thinking about a lot. 1:53:33.120 --> 1:53:39.040 Is Evelyn fucking Nesbit the subject of this true crime 1:53:39.120 --> 1:53:42.360 that we did today, And damn, what a freaking story. 1:53:42.600 --> 1:53:49.080 I mean, fuck so wild and I don't know, like 1:53:49.680 --> 1:53:52.280 it's like I want to do some kind of post mortem. 1:53:52.360 --> 1:53:54.200 Here's what I learned, But it's like, I don't know. 1:53:54.280 --> 1:53:56.200 She was like a fourteen year old model in the 1:53:56.240 --> 1:53:58.360 city with like no one else. You know, you know 1:53:58.439 --> 1:54:04.160 what you learned that is important? Yeah, yes, that's what 1:54:04.200 --> 1:54:07.960 you learn from when like these kinds of satuations after 1:54:08.160 --> 1:54:11.400 bad man but needed them for financial game. I mean 1:54:11.920 --> 1:54:16.600 it's just like any tale about a woman reminds you 1:54:16.680 --> 1:54:20.320 why all women need to be protected at all times. Yeah, 1:54:20.360 --> 1:54:23.800 And like even her own brother was like, I love 1:54:23.840 --> 1:54:26.360 this guy. He sent me to military school because like, 1:54:27.400 --> 1:54:29.439 you know, he doesn't know anybody. He just knows who's 1:54:29.439 --> 1:54:31.800 helping him. Wait, I know I'm late to the game. 1:54:31.920 --> 1:54:35.360 Do you know you know Hassan Piker. Yeah, he's like 1:54:35.480 --> 1:54:42.320 so hot. So well, because Caleb just did his. 1:54:42.320 --> 1:54:45.160 Pods so that's so now he's in my feed because Caleb. 1:54:45.400 --> 1:54:48.400 I'm a Caleb because I'm a Caleb fanatic. And then 1:54:48.480 --> 1:54:53.280 Caleb talked about being on Hassan show, like on less culture, 1:54:53.320 --> 1:54:57.280 so whatever. So now and all his friends are in 1:54:57.360 --> 1:55:01.839 my feed and I'm like, whoa, where's the famous obviously 1:55:02.120 --> 1:55:02.520 well known. 1:55:02.560 --> 1:55:05.840 I got to watch this episode because that sounds like 1:55:05.960 --> 1:55:08.480 a meeting of the minds. Yeah, it was really fun. 1:55:08.840 --> 1:55:11.680 And actually just like I've been watching his onpiker clips 1:55:11.680 --> 1:55:14.280 for a long time, but I just you just realized 1:55:14.280 --> 1:55:16.360 how hot he is. No, no, I just looked him 1:55:16.440 --> 1:55:18.360 up and like got his like found out a little 1:55:18.360 --> 1:55:20.960 bit more about his like history, like that he's like 1:55:21.360 --> 1:55:24.920 this twitch guy and he said some problematic shit in 1:55:24.920 --> 1:55:28.640 the past, but now he's like mostly good and progressive 1:55:28.680 --> 1:55:35.360 and not saying slurs and uh, and he's got good 1:55:35.440 --> 1:55:37.480 people on and I just like whenever he's on like 1:55:37.520 --> 1:55:39.960 Pierce Morgan or whatever, he's just like fucking owning everybody 1:55:39.960 --> 1:55:42.680 and it's very good. He's very good. Yeah, I'm new 1:55:42.680 --> 1:55:45.960 to him. I like it. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. 1:55:46.120 --> 1:55:49.040 I brought him up. No, hey, you know what, never 1:55:49.080 --> 1:55:51.360 too late to bring up a crush on on the 1:55:51.400 --> 1:55:52.160 old TMU. 1:55:52.960 --> 1:55:54.720 I have a question, not really what are those shirts 1:55:54.720 --> 1:55:57.360 cat like Louis Luis, Like, what's that style? 1:55:58.240 --> 1:56:00.960 Like I would say they're like the Ampers shirts, like, 1:56:01.280 --> 1:56:03.360 because that's what those the Amber sam But like, I 1:56:03.400 --> 1:56:07.320 don't really know what that's called. I guess the first 1:56:07.480 --> 1:56:09.839 company to do that was a design company in Amsterdam 1:56:09.920 --> 1:56:11.760 did it with the Beatles in two thousand and one. 1:56:12.360 --> 1:56:14.960 Somebody made a shirt that's ampersand and ambersand and amber 1:56:15.040 --> 1:56:18.480 sand and amber sand in period. So that's very meta. 1:56:19.240 --> 1:56:23.320 All right, let's get going onto our what would sisterpeg Do, 1:56:23.400 --> 1:56:25.360 which is our weekly segment where we direct you to 1:56:27.080 --> 1:56:29.880 an article, a book, a doc, an organization, something to 1:56:29.880 --> 1:56:31.520 give you more info about what we talked about today. 1:56:31.560 --> 1:56:33.680 And this week, I wanted to just point you guys 1:56:33.720 --> 1:56:35.920 to this short doc on YouTube I found called The 1:56:35.920 --> 1:56:40.600 Tragic Life of Evelyn Nesbitt, the Murder that Shocked America. 1:56:40.680 --> 1:56:44.040 This is a dock on the Stories through Time YouTube channel. 1:56:44.120 --> 1:56:46.240 It's a little under an hour. If you wanted to 1:56:46.760 --> 1:56:49.280 put more faces to the names and get some more 1:56:49.280 --> 1:56:52.240 details over the crime that we covered. 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