Speaker 1: Of the law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.
Speaker 1: These are our stories.
Speaker 3: Done done, Yay, that's messed up an SVU podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm Lisa Trade said my name wrong. That's a new one.
Speaker 1: That's new.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: It's episode two eighty three. And Lisa said her own
Speaker 1: name wrong like a truck made a noise and I
Speaker 1: got distracted, mother mid name. Well, I am Lisa Trigger
Speaker 1: and we do we talk crime. We do SVU and
Speaker 1: we have guests and that's my co host, Kara Clink
Speaker 1: and I'm Kara Klump. I'm so nice to meet you all. Wait,
Speaker 1: so okay, so first of all, we are we obviously
Speaker 1: chat up top and last week Lisa was telling me
Speaker 1: about how she went to go see Lost Boys and
Speaker 1: then ever since then obviously non stop on my feed,
Speaker 1: Danny Pino saw it.
Speaker 2: What Danny pinow the Lost Boys? I thought he messages
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, no, sorry, no sorry, I could I worded
Speaker 2: that wrong.
Speaker 1: Danny Pino listened to the pod now, so I think
Speaker 1: after he was a guest who was like I've had enough.
Speaker 1: But all these people I've just been seeing go to it,
Speaker 1: and I feel like a lot of them are our
Speaker 1: former guests.
Speaker 2: Well, everyone is going, and now I've learned that like
Speaker 2: a friend's husband is the direct Like everyone's connected. It's
Speaker 2: just like it keeps growing. And then like Marcia and Anderson,
Speaker 2: like people are buying tickets and then Marsha was like,
Speaker 2: that's that's that's word of mouth, like you can't buy
Speaker 2: that kind of you know what I mean. I guess
Speaker 2: we did on Like it's like if something is good
Speaker 2: and people are chatting, like people are gonna go.
Speaker 1: So oh yeah, right, short, anything we talk about at
Speaker 1: the beginning of this podcast is not sponsored, like we
Speaker 1: are just stuff, like we are just telling you things
Speaker 1: we genuinely like or don't like.
Speaker 2: Oh people, people are like really having a good time.
Speaker 2: But I saw Larry Owens was went, and so I
Speaker 2: messaged him like I saw it, I loved it, and
Speaker 2: he goes, okay, vampire diva, and I go I would
Speaker 2: like to be called that from now on. So when
Speaker 2: you saw me get excited about a text is because
Speaker 2: he called me a vampire de vampire diva.
Speaker 1: Love that, So it got me really excited. I actually okay.
Speaker 2: So remember we had all of it on Doctor Olivet
Speaker 2: and she was saying, how Annette Benning's daughter is in
Speaker 2: a play with Hugh Jackman. I saw that on Sunday,
Speaker 2: will say what it's called again, sexual misconduct of the
Speaker 2: middle classes.
Speaker 1: I think, okay.
Speaker 2: So I got invited and I got to I went
Speaker 2: to Minetta Tavern. I went to the show for free,
Speaker 2: so so I we had the best dinner.
Speaker 1: I've never been a Minetta Tavern. So I was like
Speaker 1: so excited. I called at like three something and I
Speaker 1: was like after my Justin Bieber soul cycle. But I
Speaker 1: was like, do you got anything? And they did, so
Speaker 1: I felt really cool. In New Yorky, I will say,
Speaker 1: I have a lot to I got blacked out. It
Speaker 1: was an open bar.
Speaker 2: We went to Hugh Jackman's bar for the after party,
Speaker 2: and at Benning was at Manetta Tavern. We saw her
Speaker 2: walk by, so that was like a thrill for sure.
Speaker 2: So it was like a reception.
Speaker 1: And the show was it like opening night. No, that's
Speaker 1: what they said that. They're like, it's not opening or closing.
Speaker 1: So basically there's this director he's directing three simultaneous shows
Speaker 1: that are happening.
Speaker 2: Corey Stoltz is in one of them. He was at
Speaker 2: the party fucking hot. I like made a lap just
Speaker 2: to look at him, and I was happy.
Speaker 1: I did that.
Speaker 2: And then so Cecily Strong was there, like, I guess
Speaker 2: it's just like something the audible theater is doing Medeta.
Speaker 2: I don't I'm not sure what's happening. I also was like,
Speaker 2: why am I being invited? And then my Michael krus
Speaker 2: Kane's like, the told me to invite cool people, and
Speaker 2: I go, does Hugh Jackman need us?
Speaker 1: Like I don't understand why I get to go for free?
Speaker 1: What's happening?
Speaker 2: And then Hugh Jackman did a speech of like this
Speaker 2: will be the most people here throughout our whole run,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, are you not Wolverine? Like I don't
Speaker 2: understand what's happening? Like is the theater having that hard
Speaker 2: of a time that like, I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Thrilled to be invited, I'll tell you that much confused
Speaker 2: by the event, no idea, what's happening.
Speaker 1: It wasn't for charity. I don't know why I was there.
Speaker 2: Oh, Molly Bernard was there, who I was in the
Speaker 2: horror movie with She's from Younger, so that was exciting
Speaker 2: to we ran.
Speaker 1: Into each other. I have a couple of questions, ask
Speaker 1: me anything you want. Who's Corey Stoltz.
Speaker 2: I hope that's how you say his name. He was
Speaker 2: in House of Cards. He's the bald guy. Him and
Speaker 2: Andrew Reynolds have a love story in Girls. He's like
Speaker 2: the Ball's guy. Is that not his name?
Speaker 4: Cory Stole?
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so I ad a z so no, sorry
Speaker 1: that I was like that. I was like, is she
Speaker 1: talking about Rick Stolts Like, but no, Corey? So I
Speaker 1: know exactly. You're talking about the guy from House of Cards.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: What's Hugh Jackman's connection to the plays? He in it?
Speaker 2: He's in it, He's in it. It's him and Anette Benning.
Speaker 2: So daughter's daughter. I'm sorry, I don't know her name,
Speaker 2: but that's your dad.
Speaker 1: I think that's I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 1: It's something baby Yeah, yeah, I mean she was great,
Speaker 1: she was great. Okay, so this is the thing. And
Speaker 1: Ella baby Ella, she was great. Okay.
Speaker 2: So I'm like trying to figure out how to say
Speaker 2: this all. I hated the first half hour in a
Speaker 2: way you don't understand. I was livid, I was getting
Speaker 2: I just didn't want to be there. I was like, no,
Speaker 2: wonder if Hugh Jackman needs our help. This is a nightmare.
Speaker 2: I go, what is doctor Elivette? Thinking I don't want
Speaker 2: to be here? And then the person I'm next to
Speaker 2: kind of size and we're confused. Then something like hits
Speaker 2: where the person with Marsha's like smart, so like she
Speaker 2: opens the the program for a second, so like I
Speaker 2: clocked that. I was like, okay, so she's looking at
Speaker 2: the program at this moment. I wonder what she's looking for,
Speaker 2: like something's happening. Then there's this kind of twist that's incredible,
Speaker 2: and then then it all makes sense and it's so cool,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, this is cool. And then I
Speaker 2: looked at Marsha after I go what'd you look at?
Speaker 2: And she goes, I knew a woman wrote it. At
Speaker 2: that moment, she goes, I fucking hated it. And then
Speaker 2: I realized a woman wrote it, and I looked it
Speaker 2: up and then like, you realize this stuff. So the
Speaker 2: play is incredible. And then at the party I meet
Speaker 2: the director.
Speaker 1: And I hate him so much.
Speaker 2: And I like, I hated him with my whole being,
Speaker 2: and he made I could tell my friend was uncomfortable
Speaker 2: leaning ants, and I thought that he was friends with
Speaker 2: the people that invited me. So I was more polite
Speaker 2: than I think I would have been. And then she goes, no,
Speaker 2: I just met him. So I was like, I wish
Speaker 2: I was a little bit. I wish I was brutal
Speaker 2: to him. But when I tried to talk about him
Speaker 2: to someone else, I like checked in first, and they
Speaker 2: were like, love him, He's the best. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, hey, well, I'm glad I checked
Speaker 2: in before, I like. And then so I think he's beloved.
Speaker 2: I think the director is liked. I asked him a question.
Speaker 1: First of all, Brussels sprout warm, weird salad is not
Speaker 1: a party food, and it's definitely not a food to
Speaker 1: chew in my face. I don't want to smell it.
Speaker 1: So to me, I was just like the Brussels sprout
Speaker 1: of it all was like a nightmare.
Speaker 2: The chewing was a nightmare. And then why he picked
Speaker 2: the play, I was like, I want to see it
Speaker 2: with a female director.
Speaker 1: I want to know.
Speaker 2: If the playwright's happy with it. I want to know everything.
Speaker 2: And the reason I hated that. What I hated was
Speaker 2: I think because of him and Hugh Jackman and men
Speaker 2: not understanding stuff. And at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: it is two old men with a young girl. So
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I love art that causes conversation
Speaker 2: and I and there was a lot of conversation and
Speaker 2: then I got blacked out Manhattan's for Free all night
Speaker 2: went to a three AM. I mean we talked like
Speaker 2: I think I smoked eight joints. My throat hurts, and
Speaker 2: but we talked about it most of the night, like
Speaker 2: there was just like a lot to discuss.
Speaker 1: So then I understood why.
Speaker 2: She liked it and why she's so impressed with her,
Speaker 2: like you know, yeah, like her best friend's daughter, Like
Speaker 2: I get it all, and I want to read it,
Speaker 2: and like my acting teacher read it, and we talked
Speaker 2: about it, like I understand it all. But I think
Speaker 2: it's kind of when I found out Noah Bombback was
Speaker 2: like involved in the Barbie movie, and I'm like.
Speaker 1: I see it everywhere. Yeah, you fucking lose. You get
Speaker 1: a beanie on. This guy at a beanie on that
Speaker 1: didn't cover his ears. You know, I don't like that
Speaker 1: eating the brussels.
Speaker 2: There was just a lot and when I asked him,
Speaker 2: I was like, I asked some questions about it, and
Speaker 2: what he was saying was not what I felt. So yeah,
Speaker 2: it was just like it was like a cool night.
Speaker 2: I love living in New York at the end of
Speaker 2: the day.
Speaker 1: So that's that. I guess it was originally directed by
Speaker 1: a woman. But yeah, and I'd love to see that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I would love to see that. And then what we.
Speaker 2: Also discussed and it's not something I know, but I
Speaker 2: guess Nabookov is that who wrote Lolita.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, so like I guess his whole thing. I
Speaker 1: don't know anything about this. I was told this that
Speaker 1: like he had a disclaimer where it was like the
Speaker 1: advertiser like this should never be perceived as sexual, like
Speaker 1: it should never be like the iconography should not be sexual,
Speaker 1: and obviously made Lolita and everything sexual, and that's how
Speaker 1: we felt. Like the photos they're using to sell this
Speaker 1: play are very Lowlita and it's just like that was
Speaker 1: something we talked about. There was just but then the
Speaker 1: twit the play is genius. I will say the play
Speaker 1: is genius. That's funny because I'm right now. I'm looking
Speaker 1: at the cover of the play, like the cover of
Speaker 1: like whatever the play book would have been, and it's
Speaker 1: like just an outline of a body and a person,
Speaker 1: like it's supposed to be a woman, but it's like
Speaker 1: a sort of featureless shape. You the photos that were
Speaker 1: happening at the party, So I'll show you the photo
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. Okay ready, yeah, yeah, so that's uncomfortable, yeah, sexual, right, yes,
Speaker 1: because there's a huge age difference between this girl's young.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's about a professor and a nineteen year old. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what it's about. Yeah, and so and so. Then
Speaker 2: also a bunch of people because I was at the
Speaker 2: party talking. It's like so many women connect.
Speaker 1: To this story. And then I don't know, like for
Speaker 1: some reason, the director thought that the male character was
Speaker 1: interesting and I was like, oh, He's like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: tell me if this isn't. I was like, how did
Speaker 1: you find the play? And he goes like, how did
Speaker 1: I literally find it? Or how did I find it?
Speaker 1: And it's like, oh, I'll choke you right now, ha ha.
Speaker 2: Why would I ask you about how you found your
Speaker 2: own play? Like, I'm not brish I'm also not British.
Speaker 2: Why would I.
Speaker 1: Speak like that? Like, yeah, why would I ask you
Speaker 1: how you thought your play? Did you? Obviously?
Speaker 2: I also hate when plays don't have a distinct start.
Speaker 2: I hate when like characters start just walking and like,
Speaker 2: you know, checking the thing and sitting at the desk.
Speaker 1: Like I don't like. I don't like a slow start
Speaker 1: of a play. I don't like that for any I
Speaker 1: don't like that when I guessed on a podcast and
Speaker 1: I'm like, have we started, and people are like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we started. I'm like, yeah, we do things differently here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: things are a little different. Everything's meant to be shared.
Speaker 1: Fuck you, so whatever. I guess I'm talking shit about
Speaker 1: this man, but like he did cause a lot of conversation,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, I was interested as well. That's cool,
Speaker 1: I mean, and you liked it in the end the.
Speaker 2: Play, Yeah, I followed the play right immediately, and I
Speaker 2: liked all the discussions and there was like certain lines.
Speaker 1: That like hit so hard. Anna Moskovich is the play Canadian, Canadian,
Speaker 1: Canadian having a real real time Canada. I speaking of
Speaker 1: art that causes this conversation. I saw the drama, which
Speaker 1: I'm not going to I don't think. I don't want
Speaker 1: to get into like a full in depth conversation about it,
Speaker 1: because I know you guys get mad when we talk
Speaker 1: about a movie that's been out for or still could
Speaker 1: be playing in any theater anywhere. So I don't want
Speaker 1: to give anything away. I just want everybody to know that, Liza,
Speaker 1: you were correct. And I don't know why. I mean,
Speaker 1: I belie leave you, but you were like, there's no twist,
Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, but everybody's saying there's a
Speaker 1: fucking twist and there's no fucking twist. And it really
Speaker 1: affected the way I saw it, Like it affected the
Speaker 1: way I watched the movie because I kept waiting for
Speaker 1: some major event to happen, even though like not maybe
Speaker 1: not like a icee dead people.
Speaker 2: You know what I always say, I'm like, the words
Speaker 2: mean things, so like yes, Like when people were saying that,
Speaker 2: it's like, no, the the point that moment is advertised,
Speaker 2: the secret reveal is advertised.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing everybody goes, oh no. When I
Speaker 1: went back to people that told me there was a twist,
Speaker 1: they go, I think it's just because the marketing was
Speaker 1: X and the movie was why and I go, I
Speaker 1: didn't see any marketing for it, like that should not
Speaker 1: be part of like the description of the movie, like
Speaker 1: it could be it's one thing to go oh, I
Speaker 1: just expected it to be something different than it was.
Speaker 1: But like, I don't know, it's like all this stuff
Speaker 1: now where it's like the materialists like had like this
Speaker 1: is like another A twenty four, right, casey, that's another
Speaker 1: A twenty four where it's like they had one preview
Speaker 1: that came out that was very like dramatic, and then
Speaker 1: another one that was very rom cammy, And I don't
Speaker 1: know what the point of all this is, Like I
Speaker 1: don't like all of this weird the marketing is part
Speaker 1: of the plot now to the movie, Like I don't
Speaker 1: I don't know. But I had a lot to think
Speaker 1: about after that movie and a lot to say about it,
Speaker 1: But I don't want to get any of it here though.
Speaker 1: I just don't want to see it if it's gonna
Speaker 1: if it's gonna like I don't know, but talk about
Speaker 1: it a few weeks ago, you just not really liking it,
Speaker 1: but you didn't give away any plot points because I
Speaker 1: hadn't seen it and I really wanted to, like go
Speaker 1: in blind and I didn't get spoiled either, Like you
Speaker 1: said you read a spoiler, like I somehow didn't get
Speaker 1: any spoiler, Like I had no it. But like what
Speaker 1: people are perceiving to be the spoiler, like the twist,
Speaker 1: I'm like, that did not shock me when I when
Speaker 1: I heard it, I just yeah, it's so, it's all
Speaker 1: just so good. Yeah, it's a very interesting movie, has it.
Speaker 1: It's like, and I don't know anything that this guy
Speaker 1: has done. But he has also done this movie called
Speaker 1: Sick of Myself that my husband has seen. Have you
Speaker 1: seen that, Casey, No, I haven't seen it. It's a
Speaker 1: Norwegian the guy's Norwegian, and Sick of Myself came out
Speaker 1: and people were seeing it in LA and it's like,
Speaker 1: I think it's about a woman who like can't stop
Speaker 1: getting plastic surgery. She almost has like a she almost
Speaker 1: has like Munchausen's for like, and she just keeps getting
Speaker 1: plastic surgery in a way and like fucking with her face.
Speaker 1: So I was like, I don't think that's for me,
Speaker 1: Like I can't do body horror stuff. But then he
Speaker 1: also did this movie called Dream Scenario that sounds interesting
Speaker 1: that is about Nicholas Cage plays like a schlubby professor
Speaker 1: or something like his life is boring, and then suddenly
Speaker 1: all these people all over the world start having dreams
Speaker 1: about him and he becomes famous, and it's kind of
Speaker 1: like that about dealing with the fame and like this
Speaker 1: and that.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, because Michael Sarah's in it. This
Speaker 2: is good for my movie games.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, scenario. It's so funny.
Speaker 2: The moment you said the Body Horror wasn't for you
Speaker 2: is the moment I started. You were like, she keeps
Speaker 2: getting plastic surgery, and then as you said it's not
Speaker 2: for me, I was like, oh, I'm going to yeh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Well we definitely could take a look at that. That
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like well and yeah, these kind of weirdo guys.
Speaker 1: I'm into the weirdo guys. I guess let's see something weird.
Speaker 1: I'm just in a mood, you know. Yeah, wa talk
Speaker 1: about I finished Yesteryear. Oh okay, I gotta order it.
Speaker 1: I'm going on Amazon.
Speaker 2: I already gave it to someone. Oh my god, So
Speaker 2: Ashley Hamilton from Good Noticings I she's the only other
Speaker 2: person who that finished it at the moment, So like
Speaker 2: I'm sending her voice notes, I'm writing, I'm all these
Speaker 2: things she's condor.
Speaker 1: Then I see her and Claire interviewed the author. She's
Speaker 1: like with the author, I'm like, this never came up.
Speaker 1: I'm like putting it in the trap. I'm like, you're
Speaker 1: out of your mind. I'm like, you have insight.
Speaker 2: And then she actually asked one of the questions that
Speaker 2: I asked, so I felt really smart and the author
Speaker 2: didn't have an answer.
Speaker 1: So that was annoying. But oh yeah, wait the the
Speaker 1: I've seen this author on my Instagram like feed something
Speaker 1: because well I just followed her so and it's the book. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: One last thing I was going to say about the drama, though,
Speaker 1: is I think the woman that plays the photographer is
Speaker 1: so good and that scene is so funny. I love her.
Speaker 1: Where's she from? Really good? She's in She's in an SVU,
Speaker 1: right or no, I don't think so, but I think
Speaker 1: she's in another wait, hold on, hold on, let me look,
Speaker 1: because I looked her up Zoe Winters, Zoe Witters, and
Speaker 1: she had just been in a Materialists. That's what, yeah, Materialists,
Speaker 1: the movie I just brought.
Speaker 4: I go.
Speaker 1: She was just in another big like indie ish type
Speaker 1: of movie. Yes, oh, succession, and Succession is where she's
Speaker 1: got like a long running part that I don't I
Speaker 1: never watched Succession, but I mean I did, and I
Speaker 1: didn't like it, so I stopped little gust demeanors she's
Speaker 1: she's only been in OG for Law and Order. Unfortunate. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: she was great. She was really funny. And yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know, we'll tell I mean maybe in like a
Speaker 1: few weeks when it's out of the theaters and people
Speaker 1: don't get mad at us, we can have a more
Speaker 1: in depth conversation about it. But I feel like we'll
Speaker 1: give people a few more times, Yeah, a few more,
Speaker 1: a little bit more time, but then we'll get into it.
Speaker 1: But also so then I was so drunk the play
Speaker 1: night that then yesterday I really struggled, and so I
Speaker 1: just went down to the coffee shop downstairs to have
Speaker 1: a beer, and I was there for seven hours. I
Speaker 1: would say. The mailman came in. I mean it was
Speaker 1: I truly felt like I was in a sitcom.
Speaker 2: We all were waving to the mailman. We all know
Speaker 2: each other all the regular like it was. And then
Speaker 2: a friend did come meet me, but I just kept.
Speaker 1: I just kept sitting at the coffee shop.
Speaker 4: Nice.
Speaker 1: Hey, you can always use a little day to just
Speaker 1: people watch and pretend getting drunk. I was like, I
Speaker 1: just need two beers because I was like, so I
Speaker 1: couldn't even eat. I was like, I can't even function
Speaker 1: at the moment. Oh you needed a little hair of
Speaker 1: the dog, Damn. I did.
Speaker 2: And I had a lot of tasks. The tasks, tasks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully the audition I sent in they wanted someone
Speaker 1: that looks haggard, because that's what I delivered. But I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, you know, sometimes a little a little
Speaker 1: drink make you a little nose. Before it was no,
Speaker 1: but I told I was like I just have to
Speaker 1: yeah whatever. I don't know. I'm like so desperate to
Speaker 1: be on a set again. It's just so fun, you know. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I hear you. Okay, So a couple orders of business
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Speaker 2: And I would like to just say that I didn't
Speaker 2: even mention heated rivalry ones.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. I'm just actually we just actually we just
Speaker 1: did an episode on Who's the Bitch where somebody wrote
Speaker 1: in and said, my husband refuses to watch heated rivalry
Speaker 1: with me, and I've asked him a bunch of times,
Speaker 1: and it's worrying me because I feel like it's just
Speaker 1: the gay part of that is the reason. And I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I mean you have to grapple with
Speaker 1: that if that's like some kind of internalized homophobia. But like,
Speaker 1: if it's making among like I don't know, why is
Speaker 1: it making him uncomfortable? It's like I think also people
Speaker 1: are talking up the show in a way that makes
Speaker 1: it seem like there are dicks slapping against faces and shit,
Speaker 1: like it's not that graphic, but it doesn't.
Speaker 2: It truly doesn't matter because it's like, h you know
Speaker 2: what HBO is. Yeah, and if it wasn't gay, you'd
Speaker 2: be into it. No, it's totally homophobia. It is one
Speaker 2: hundred percent that, and I I truly judge, like, your
Speaker 2: wife is asking you to watch it if you're just
Speaker 2: like alone, I don't have to do anything, but your
Speaker 2: wife is begging you to watch the thing she loves,
Speaker 2: Like I don't understand. And actually one of the people
Speaker 2: at the party on Sunday, who's like a friend of
Speaker 2: a friend whatever, is talking. He's like, oh, yeah, I
Speaker 2: didn't see that movie. I go, you know, it's a
Speaker 2: TV show. I go, You pretending you think it's a movie?
Speaker 1: Makes me know you are fucking like you were in
Speaker 1: the closet, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Oh wait, what is that? I hadn't really heard of it?
Speaker 2: Oh really, Oh really, I was like livid.
Speaker 1: I was truly livid. Oh my god. Okay, well I
Speaker 1: just ordered Yesteryear and it's happening. But also you did
Speaker 1: mention heated rivalry then, so that you don't get the
Speaker 1: credit anymore. We got to start the clock over because
Speaker 1: now we've talked about it now.
Speaker 2: No, but no, it really is weird, because that's what
Speaker 2: I said to the guy. I'm like, it's a sensation.
Speaker 2: You don't want to watch a sensation? Like that's so strange.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't relate to that, because you know,
Speaker 1: I'll even go see a horror movie if it's like
Speaker 1: gets talked enough about enough, even though that's not my
Speaker 1: favorite thing. You know, like, if something is zeitgeisty enough,
Speaker 1: I gotta see it.
Speaker 2: Well, it's also like you don't trust your life, you
Speaker 2: don't care about connecting your to your wife. It's just
Speaker 2: so much fucking deeper. And I could tell one of
Speaker 2: my friends is annoyed when I'm like, yeah, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I look at your husband differently, Like the fact that
Speaker 2: he won't watch it made it just kind of disgusts me.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you. Yeah, well we
Speaker 1: dive into it over there, but you know, I knew,
Speaker 1: I knew what your take would be. But let's get started.
Speaker 2: But it's when men don't like my stand up, I go, oh,
Speaker 2: well you hate women, because I'm like, very funny. You're
Speaker 2: either religious or hate women, like I don't know why
Speaker 2: else I can't.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's get started. We've got a great episode for
Speaker 1: you guys today. Okay, I thought it was mia culpa.
Speaker 2: You just said maya culpa off screen, and so you
Speaker 2: probably know what it means, right, I didn't look it up.
Speaker 1: I didn't think twice. Maya culpa just means my fault.
Speaker 1: So usually you say it like when you're like, sorry,
Speaker 1: my maya copa my fault, my fault. The word culpability
Speaker 1: would come from Colpa Warren Light get alife. Yeah, or
Speaker 1: is this not him?
Speaker 2: Because it's not the Letters of twenty So who is
Speaker 2: the showrunner here?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: No, this isn't him. This is took the year off
Speaker 1: the other guy. Yeow, I have more enemies, more enemies
Speaker 1: with names.
Speaker 2: Okay, so we're in court. Stone is tap dancing. This
Speaker 2: is Peter Stone, friend of the pod. A man is
Speaker 2: saying it was consensual. The judge's agreeing with him and
Speaker 2: gives him remand oh agrees with Stone in remand not
Speaker 2: agrees with the rapist that it was consensual. So the
Speaker 2: rapist is going to jail. Everyone's excited. Chorasey and the
Speaker 2: victim are sitting in the galley and then the woman
Speaker 2: walks out of the courthouse with Stone and Creasy on
Speaker 2: either side of her, and so like, what a fun night,
Speaker 2: and I mean day is an actress just like flanked
Speaker 2: by these guys.
Speaker 1: In suits walking out. Not a bad day. Not a
Speaker 1: bad day.
Speaker 2: Chrisey wants to go out for a beer, but Peterstone
Speaker 2: is not interested, and he wants a hot dog. Love
Speaker 2: that Chicago boy. So a woman recog him from the
Speaker 2: cubs and it's like, damn, it's you, Peter Stone. She says,
Speaker 2: let's get a drink. He goes, hell yeah, hands the
Speaker 2: hot dog back to the man.
Speaker 1: That does That's not gonna happen. But it's like the
Speaker 1: guy made you a hot dog and put it in
Speaker 1: a thing? Did you pay him for it? Like it's
Speaker 1: just really weird to be like, well, I'm about to
Speaker 1: maybe go fuck this girl, and I don't want to
Speaker 1: smell like hot dog, Like I don't know, why are you?
Speaker 1: It's weird. You gotta throw a person or you can't
Speaker 1: take a bit. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just maybe maybe he gets a hot dog a
Speaker 2: lot after court, like this is his dude, you know,
Speaker 2: but she remembers him. Okay, So we're at a fancy
Speaker 2: place now and Rollin's in the doctor guy.
Speaker 1: Baby Daddy number two. They're they're having dinner. Is she
Speaker 1: pregnant yet? No?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 1: Or she is she is sure had the baby?
Speaker 2: No, I think she might have had it or whatever,
Speaker 2: pregnant baby whatever, who knows, who cares? So they're at dinner.
Speaker 2: It's fancy, he go. He orders one of ever desert
Speaker 2: on the menu. She says, wow, I can get used
Speaker 2: to this, and he's like, well, I actually have a
Speaker 2: question for you. Puts a red box on the table.
Speaker 2: Amanda Rollins is getting stressed, but guess what she opens?
Speaker 2: It is just a key.
Speaker 1: I don't know why you would put it in the
Speaker 1: box like boxes me and things like, it's such a
Speaker 1: stupid trick. This is a doctor sociopath trying to connect
Speaker 1: with like a sense of humor and it's a flop.
Speaker 2: So will you move in with me? She smiles. So
Speaker 2: now we cut back to Stone and the pretty woman
Speaker 2: who like recognized him, and they're in a purple beaded
Speaker 2: curtain shell shaped couch lounge area. It's like very purple,
Speaker 2: and he goes to gret He's like, I'll get another round.
Speaker 1: He goes to the bar. A blonde woman now approaches
Speaker 1: him and goes, what are you doing in New York?
Speaker 3: You?
Speaker 2: And she's like, oh, you don't even remember me, and
Speaker 2: he doesn't. She slaps him and then says you raped me,
Speaker 2: you son of a bitch, stresses him out. So yeah,
Speaker 2: it's understand about and how many how many former athletes
Speaker 2: have become district any niece do you think, Like, I'm just.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they usually buy like car washes or Chick fil
Speaker 1: a is so or like coach or whatever. But like
Speaker 1: it's just so funny to me that it's like he's
Speaker 1: walking from court and it's like you used to play
Speaker 1: for the cubs like I don't know. I guess definitely
Speaker 1: a part of his lore, but yeah, I'm curious. Let
Speaker 1: us know, guys sports nuts, any sports nuts. So he's
Speaker 1: getting up, he's groggy, it's fun. He's like leather couch
Speaker 1: and Finn's standing over him with their drink. It looks
Speaker 1: like maybe some headache medicine for the hangover. But to me,
Speaker 1: I'm like, did you keep partying after the accusation or
Speaker 1: did you go home? Like because he didn't seem that waste,
Speaker 1: like did he get me the sign?
Speaker 2: Felt Jujubi's situation, like did he still try to hang
Speaker 2: out with the other girl?
Speaker 1: And why are you at Finns? Like were you you
Speaker 1: couldn't make it to your own apartment, but you could
Speaker 1: make it to Finns. Like if your hou wants to
Speaker 1: get to the bottom of it, oh okay, because if
Speaker 1: you're out with somebody, I could see, Oh I'm so
Speaker 1: fucked up. I'm just go back to your place, Like
Speaker 1: let's go back to your place or whatever. But not
Speaker 1: if you're like out with a girl and you're just
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna go to my buddy's house, I'm fucked up.
Speaker 2: Like we're after the rape accusation. Did he say bye
Speaker 2: to that girl? Do they still exchange numbers?
Speaker 1: Like, I don't. I just he didn't seem that drunk
Speaker 1: when we met him. Yeah, but I didn't kill the vibe.
Speaker 1: Did the rape accusation kill the vibe? Is what we
Speaker 1: want to know.
Speaker 2: But he tells Finn everything explains what happened, and he's
Speaker 2: he says he didn't do it, but it was twelve
Speaker 2: years ago. It was a last season game against the Mets,
Speaker 2: and a few guys went to the bar. There was
Speaker 2: a woman there. It's the slapper. Obviously he was drunk
Speaker 2: and they all went back to like the hotel. He
Speaker 2: remembers going at it with her hot and heavy. But
Speaker 2: when he woke up, he was in bed alone and
Speaker 2: everyone else was gone. And he called her the next
Speaker 2: day and she said, try to talk to me again,
Speaker 2: and I'll go to the police. And so Finn demands
Speaker 2: to make sure he's not lying, like, tell me the truth,
Speaker 2: tell me the truth, let me know, and he's like,
Speaker 2: I didn't rape anyone, but I also don't remember, so
Speaker 2: like if I did rape someone, eat So then Benson
Speaker 2: and ros are talking to the woman from the beginning
Speaker 2: court case and they send her on her way with
Speaker 2: some comforting words, and Benson direx rowins to go find
Speaker 2: more evidence and surveillance for that case. And now we
Speaker 2: cut to a man being super excited to see Stone.
Speaker 2: He's a bartender, Beard just like two thousand and six.
Speaker 2: I remember the games.
Speaker 1: So I guess this former baseball player he opened a
Speaker 1: bar in New York or manages it. That probably bought
Speaker 1: it with the money. Yeah, right, a sports bar. Yeah
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Yeah, I guess I don't know.
Speaker 2: Okay, So he's like, oh six patron Dan Perion, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, I remember the patron days. And then so
Speaker 2: then he goes, I remember everything that night, and he goes,
Speaker 2: I married her, And so he like married the girl
Speaker 2: he met that night, best night of his life.
Speaker 1: Her name's Wanda, and I love where that went, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, And then anticipate like a cute
Speaker 1: married night out and the background of his phone's the wife.
Speaker 1: That's just nice.
Speaker 2: So but then they're like, oh my god, do you
Speaker 2: think your wife would have information on this accuser that
Speaker 2: we have, and and she does. So it's Sarah Kent
Speaker 2: and she lives in Bushwick. So we go to Bushwick.
Speaker 2: It looks actually like the suburbs, and Queen's like, I don't,
Speaker 2: but I guess there could be single family homes in
Speaker 2: Bushwick that I don't know about. Obviously I don't really
Speaker 2: go there.
Speaker 1: So I honestly don't know the last time I've been
Speaker 1: to Bushwick. I for I would go there once in
Speaker 1: a while for like that freakin Life show. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: the Cobra Club.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Cobroo Club, some of the worst bathrooms in New
Speaker 2: York City. Finn is like, are you sure you want
Speaker 2: to do this, and he's like, yeah, I know it's wrong,
Speaker 2: and let's you know, we got to get down to
Speaker 2: the bottom of it. Before Finn goes, Stone asks him
Speaker 2: not to tell Benson about it yet though, and Finn
Speaker 2: go's knocking at Kent's place. She lies to her husband
Speaker 2: and says it's a Jehovah's witness, but steps out to
Speaker 2: talk to Finn after he mentioned stuff. She says, I
Speaker 2: never want to hear that name, and don't come back,
Speaker 2: and then she goes back inside, and then Finn spies
Speaker 2: on her like a ghost of Christmas pass looking at
Speaker 2: like a family enjoying dinner, you know, like questioning all
Speaker 2: his choices, and she is like very mom in the burbs.
Speaker 1: She's wearing black leggings, like all of this is just
Speaker 1: kind of perfect, besides you know, the rape.
Speaker 2: So then Rollins is eating steak leftovers for lunch because
Speaker 2: Al always over orders, she explains, and Carisee's like, ah, fuck,
Speaker 2: I wanted to go to the deli with you. Fuck
Speaker 2: that guy, and she's like so she then tells Carisey like,
Speaker 2: you know, he we're gonna move in together, and he's pissed.
Speaker 2: He's like, after he lied to you? What the fuck?
Speaker 2: I hate this guy? And I don't remember the lying.
Speaker 1: What was the lying? Do you remember anything? There was
Speaker 1: like the time he's cheated on her, I think, and
Speaker 1: like there was like a time where he was like
Speaker 1: I want you back, I love you. And then like
Speaker 1: she goes to the bathroom when she comes back and
Speaker 1: he's like getting a waitress phone number. Like he seems
Speaker 1: like a fuck boy, you know, got it, gotta gotta
Speaker 1: got it. Okay, So Crisey's not into it. He's also
Speaker 1: like fully in love with her. We all know that.
Speaker 2: So and we end up together. It's like I hate
Speaker 2: dealing with certain things sometimes. So Robin's is like, I mean,
Speaker 2: it would be nice to just like live in a
Speaker 2: big apartment with a rich guy. And Creasey's like, shut up,
Speaker 2: like is even going to marry you? And then she
Speaker 2: says shut up. And then he says, you deserve to
Speaker 2: be happy and taken care of, and she goes, he
Speaker 2: does take care of me, and he goes, there's a
Speaker 2: difference between flowers and dinner and being taken care of.
Speaker 2: She brushes him off, and then he proves to her
Speaker 2: how caring he is by saying, I'm going to get
Speaker 2: you a ginger ale because you're gonna have stomach issues
Speaker 2: from your expensive steak.
Speaker 1: Is that what he was getting out? Like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I thought I thought she was pregnant here, but maybe
Speaker 1: I'm am I crazy. I really thought she was pregnant.
Speaker 2: No, but I'm telling you, like something, I just can't
Speaker 2: deal with certain things. And that's and that's this storyline,
Speaker 2: like I can't do it. I do enough for this
Speaker 2: podcast and learning about when she's pregnant and what al
Speaker 2: said to her part timeline.
Speaker 1: The timelines of Amanda's various pregnancies do not need to
Speaker 1: be involved. It's like every few years It's like she's
Speaker 1: either pregnant, her sister's ruining her life, or she's ruining
Speaker 1: the priescincts life, you know what I mean, Like yeah,
Speaker 1: or Cariese's you know, breaking his heart time after time.
Speaker 1: So anyways, so he goes to get a ginger all
Speaker 1: and now we cut to Stone. He is going to court,
Speaker 1: and Benson and Stone do a gorgeous walk and talk
Speaker 1: through the marble, talking details of the case. And it's
Speaker 1: a drunk situation.
Speaker 2: So nobody believes the girl, obviously, but they believe the
Speaker 2: drunk guy. And Benson goes, do you think she would
Speaker 2: make all this up?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 1: Does this seem fun to you? This investigation? You think
Speaker 1: this trial's just for kicks? And Benson goes, he's guilty Peter,
Speaker 1: and Peter's thinking about his own rape and then Benson's
Speaker 1: a detective and catches it and he blames it on
Speaker 1: lack of sleep. So now the victim's on the stand,
Speaker 1: she's being brave and Stone is helping her through her testimony.
Speaker 1: And now the rapist, I mean, whatever is it mean
Speaker 1: to call her?
Speaker 5: This?
Speaker 2: The blonde butch blonde butch body bitch defense attorney. I
Speaker 2: hate her, so much so like the rapist defense attorney's like,
Speaker 2: you're a drunk bitch, so maybe you did consent and forgot.
Speaker 1: How about that?
Speaker 2: And she's like, fuck you think I want to be here.
Speaker 2: I'm here to try to get my life back by
Speaker 2: confronting the man who did this to me. And this
Speaker 2: really hits Peter and he runs to Benson's apartment in
Speaker 2: the middle of the night. She's in a robe, and
Speaker 2: he's like, hey, listen, I've been accused of sexual assault
Speaker 2: from twelve years ago. I was drunk, but in my bones,
Speaker 2: soul and heart, he did and rape her, That's what
Speaker 2: he says. Benson's like, well, she said you did, and
Speaker 2: he says, well, that's not who I am. Drunk or not,
Speaker 2: I swear to God I didn't do this. And Benson's
Speaker 2: thinking taking it in and he asked if she believes him,
Speaker 2: and she's like yeah, but like not really, so she
Speaker 2: says it's not that simple. He said, oh, because it's
Speaker 2: your job to believe her, and she's like, no, I
Speaker 2: need to talk to her though and see what she
Speaker 2: says to get to the truth. And if you want
Speaker 2: something else, you came to the wrong person. And he goes, no,
Speaker 2: I'm not asking for any of this to go away.
Speaker 2: I want the truth too, I want an open investigation.
Speaker 2: He's gonna regret that. The music's dramatic. Benson's face is beautiful.
Speaker 2: Rollin's Finn and creas here in the break room and
Speaker 2: Finn is questioning Peter and the other two trust Peter,
Speaker 2: and Finn's like, she definitely believes he did it, and Creasey's.
Speaker 1: Like whatever, okay.
Speaker 2: So then Rollins is like, this sucks, but it happens,
Speaker 2: and he's like, no, this you know, if a bus
Speaker 2: full of nuns said that he was somewhere else. In
Speaker 2: the back of my mind, I'll always question.
Speaker 1: If he raped. That's what sucks. Like we need to
Speaker 1: get to the bottom of it, or I'll always have
Speaker 1: this suspicion that he's a rapist. And like, yeah, Creasey's
Speaker 1: just like making it about him, okay. So then Benson
Speaker 1: goes to talk to Sarah. She's livid, but like Benson
Speaker 1: wants to investigate. So there's like nothing Sarah can do,
Speaker 1: and I think she realizes that. So they're at the
Speaker 1: kitchen table and she's like, listen, it was a long
Speaker 1: time ago. We were both drinking and then husband walks in.
Speaker 1: Who is it.
Speaker 2: It's Bruno in one of his five other characters, Kevin Kane,
Speaker 2: friend of the pod. So she tells him about the
Speaker 2: rape and then she's like, you know, we're not pressing
Speaker 2: charges and he's like, the fuck we aren't. We're getting
Speaker 2: this motherfucker. If anyone raped you, we're murdering everyone. And
Speaker 2: then she says sorry. He's like no, sorry, and she's
Speaker 2: like just drop it. And he's like, do you know
Speaker 2: who did it? And then it's silence, and then he goes, well,
Speaker 2: we're gonna do whatever it takes to put this guy
Speaker 2: in jail. So now Carisy and Rollins are at the
Speaker 2: lockers and Sarah and Benson are on their way to
Speaker 2: the precinct. But like, everyone's having a hard time with
Speaker 2: this case. Obviously it's like one of their own. And
Speaker 2: Creasy's like, our job is to believe survivors, but I
Speaker 2: believe him, and like that feels wrong, and Rollins is like, well,
Speaker 2: you know. Rollind tells him that he was right about
Speaker 2: not living with al Okay, he goes, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: don't listen to me. Do what's right for your babies
Speaker 2: and family. Live with this weird rich doctor and yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know, Wait, why did this switch so fast?
Speaker 2: We never see this guy again this episode? And she's
Speaker 2: switching it up.
Speaker 1: Well, there is another there's a deleted scene from this
Speaker 1: episode that I looked up. Oh my god, Caara, how
Speaker 1: did you know to look it up? What the fuck
Speaker 1: it was in the wiki? So let me send it
Speaker 1: to you right now. It's no, just tell us, I'm
Speaker 1: not watching it. Tell us, tell us. It's two. It's
Speaker 1: a minute and a half long, but it's basically she
Speaker 1: goes to have dinner with Al and there she's making
Speaker 1: fun of like the shitty puts on his burger, like,
Speaker 1: and he's like, even though I'm a doctor and I
Speaker 1: tell people to eat well, I actually love pizza and
Speaker 1: burgers and chicken wings. And it's like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: he's like trying to. It feels like he's trying to
Speaker 1: kind of make himself more Joe Joe public for rollins,
Speaker 1: and she's like seeing through it. But then a girl
Speaker 1: at the table next to them, a little girl, starts choking,
Speaker 1: and Al gets up and like gives her the heimlick.
Speaker 1: It's very un I can see why they cut the scene,
Speaker 1: it's like it looks very staged, like not good, and
Speaker 1: then saves this little girl and the woman's like, thank
Speaker 1: you so much or whatever, and then she sits down
Speaker 1: and goes, so, when can I move any And he
Speaker 1: sits back down and she goes, so, when can I
Speaker 1: move in? So it's like just seeing him be like
Speaker 1: competent and like a caregiver makes her want to move in.
Speaker 1: But then I think later in the episode, I think
Speaker 1: he's in this episode again, isn't he? Don't they have
Speaker 1: another dinner.
Speaker 2: I thought you're gonna tell me something that led to
Speaker 2: her changing her mind.
Speaker 1: That's what I don't know, but that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I think there's another scene that leads her to change
Speaker 1: her mind or something, because in this choking scene, she's
Speaker 1: like all in. But maybe it's just the conversations. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's why they cut it, and they just want Careese
Speaker 1: to be the reason that she's not doing it, like
Speaker 1: cause Careese more like knows, you know. She's like like
Speaker 1: there's all this shit where she's like, oh, we didn't
Speaker 1: really have you know, blah blah blah. Back in Georgia,
Speaker 1: A truffles like they have a whole conversation about truffles, right,
Speaker 1: and she's like more like and he's like shrimp and grits, right,
Speaker 1: Like he's trying to do his homework about who she is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I don't think she's buying it, but.
Speaker 2: Because I bet, if I bet if they ended up together,
Speaker 2: he'd be like, you should quit your job.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he'd be like, you don't need to work
Speaker 1: anymore for sure. Also, I think it's interesting that Carreese
Speaker 1: is like having such a hard time with this because
Speaker 1: it's like so many guys we know, it's like how
Speaker 1: we talk to guys. And I'm like, if you don't
Speaker 1: think that you're not friends with a bunch of guys
Speaker 1: who have like sexually assaulted a woman before, you're crazy.
Speaker 1: And you can talk to guys that are like, no way,
Speaker 1: not my friends. And like that's kind of like Cariese's
Speaker 1: thing here, even though he's a professional SVU detective turned
Speaker 1: ADA in training or whatever he is at this point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so annoying.
Speaker 2: Well, and now we're moving right right over to wood
Speaker 2: room blinds from that, and her husband was out of
Speaker 2: town in Hawaii with his dad golfing. That's Kevin Kane
Speaker 2: and so she went out to be slutty with some
Speaker 2: baseball guys. She says Peterstone was so nice, and Benson's like, okay, well,
Speaker 2: you know, walk us through the night and she's like
Speaker 2: having fun, drinking and dancing, flirting. She's like, I remember kissing.
Speaker 2: It was okay at first, but then she's like he
Speaker 2: became different, not as nice.
Speaker 1: And then one of the guys.
Speaker 2: And Peter, they were both on the bed, but we
Speaker 2: don't remember who this other guy is, so we have
Speaker 2: to find him. And then she passed down and she
Speaker 2: said she woke up, she was naked, she knew she
Speaker 2: had sex, and Peter was on the bed and she
Speaker 2: did not say yes. And so Benson asks, are you
Speaker 2: saying Peter Stone assaulted you? And she says, yes, I
Speaker 2: didn't want to have sex. I would never do that
Speaker 2: to Gary. So you know, they were having a rough
Speaker 2: patch and you know they're happy now, but they were
Speaker 2: having issues. And Gary is with Caresy asking advice for
Speaker 2: dopes like him that didn't know their wives were raped.
Speaker 1: I don't know if like dope is the.
Speaker 2: Word, and he's like, wow, seems tough and he and
Speaker 2: he goes, she never told me what does that mean?
Speaker 2: And Carisey's like, well, it doesn't mean she he doesn't
Speaker 2: love or trust you, and He's like, fuck, I was
Speaker 2: golfing at that time, and I'll never forgive myself. He says,
Speaker 2: think about her right now. Thank you, Creesy, Thank you Creesy.
Speaker 2: Think about her right now more than ever. She needs
Speaker 2: your support, right It's not really about yourself. So Benson
Speaker 2: is staring into the distance and Finn's like, you want
Speaker 2: me to do it? And she's like, is it any
Speaker 2: easier for you? So they go do a little knock
Speaker 2: knock Peter's big office. They spoke Sarah. He scoffs, I
Speaker 2: would say basically. Benson's like, Sarah said that you know,
Speaker 2: he rapes her and the husband wants to press charges.
Speaker 2: She's being more cold with him for sure, because you
Speaker 2: know the story is credible. And he says, you said
Speaker 2: you believed me, and she responds, while I also believe her,
Speaker 2: And if this was anybody else, you wouldn't you know,
Speaker 2: we wouldn't be having this convo. And he goes, wow,
Speaker 2: you're just gonna arrest me now, and Benson goes, well,
Speaker 2: I have to. And it's also like, you did this
Speaker 2: you asked for the investigations, like what it is you
Speaker 2: just thought it would be like whambam, you're done.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But this is also so the SVU world of justice,
Speaker 1: where like something that happened twelve years ago, where there's
Speaker 1: kind of like no evidence of it at all. I
Speaker 1: hate to say it, but like, I don't think they
Speaker 1: would be arresting him. I think they'd be like, can
Speaker 1: we bring you in for questioning, can we get your
Speaker 1: side or whatever, like on the record. But I don't
Speaker 1: know if he would be arrested quite yet, just based
Speaker 1: off of a woman's accusation from twelve years ago in
Speaker 1: a different state and city. Yes, yes, yes that's true.
Speaker 1: He'd be extradited to Illinois, damn.
Speaker 2: So Finn is like, you should get a lawyer, and
Speaker 2: he goes, I am a lawyer, and it's like okay,
Speaker 2: semantics like you're not going to you know, you can't
Speaker 2: stop it.
Speaker 1: You need to call a lawyer. She's like, how do
Speaker 1: you want to do this?
Speaker 2: He stands out, grabs his jacket aggressively, and walks out
Speaker 2: the door. So we're at the next morning. Careesy walks
Speaker 2: into the precinct and lets Benson know that Stone been
Speaker 2: released to roar, and she's like, yeah, I've heard, thank you.
Speaker 1: I'm like in charge.
Speaker 2: He asked that she's testifying, and she says, if she
Speaker 2: wants to stay married, she is weird.
Speaker 1: That's a weird comment, Like Gary will divorce her if
Speaker 1: she doesn't prosecute her rapist or testify. That's weird.
Speaker 2: He's acting like a baby, and she's like I hate
Speaker 2: this too, like stop being annoying or not the only one.
Speaker 2: And he's like, come on, can we give him the
Speaker 2: benefit of the doubt? And she goes what about her?
Speaker 2: Like what about what.
Speaker 1: She's going through?
Speaker 2: And she's like, I mean she feels guilty for going
Speaker 2: out and not reporting and do and like doing it
Speaker 2: during a rough patch, and so Crazy's like, well what
Speaker 2: do you mean rough patch? The husband said, they're like
Speaker 2: so madly in love. It's like both can be true.
Speaker 2: This was a while ago, they've been together. It seems
Speaker 2: like for a long time, like I don't know. Everyone
Speaker 2: just seems to like a chunk of their brain goes
Speaker 2: missing at every case, like where they forget everything else,
Speaker 2: Like yes, but yeah, but they they've poke a hole
Speaker 2: through this. Because he didn't mention they were having a
Speaker 2: rough pat that moment. Stone is at the bar and
Speaker 2: who's next to him. It's Gary not good, so he goes, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm Gary Kent and you know, and so then Peter goes,
Speaker 2: for what it's worth, I didn't know she was married.
Speaker 1: Terrible thing to say. He's like, hey, what are you
Speaker 1: gonna do?
Speaker 2: He's like, I didn't do anything to her, and then
Speaker 2: he's like, yeah, you know, all you ballplayers, that's just
Speaker 2: what you do. A different girl in every port. And
Speaker 2: then Stone tries to leave and Gary's like, come on,
Speaker 2: at least have a drink with me, and he starts
Speaker 2: reminiscing about college and meeting her, and he's just like, oh,
Speaker 2: I was staring at the back of her neck. Oh
Speaker 2: when you raped her? What did you see? Her neck?
Speaker 2: Was her hair up? And the bartender beard guy, the friend,
Speaker 2: he's like, hey yo yo yo, friend like chill out,
Speaker 2: chill out, and he stands up drunk, screaming and goes,
Speaker 2: oh cool, he played for the Cubs, and Peter goes
Speaker 2: nobody cares, and he screams, I cared this guy in
Speaker 2: a nice suit raped my wife. And the bartenders like relax,
Speaker 2: and then he goes okay, yeah, nobody cares about my problems,
Speaker 2: and Peter says, I'm gonna go. Gary takes out a gun,
Speaker 2: goes sit down and shut up, So Peter obviously has
Speaker 2: no choice. There is a gun, so he does sit down.
Speaker 2: Gary screams for everybody else to get out, and the
Speaker 2: whole bar empties quickly. Even his bearded friend sprints out
Speaker 2: of there, hops over the bar like.
Speaker 1: He's doing hurdles.
Speaker 2: Okay, and so he screams, that guy that raped my
Speaker 2: wife and I are gonna have a heart to heart.
Speaker 2: As he like empties the bar out, he drinks a
Speaker 2: beer while holding a gun kind of looks cool. Stone
Speaker 2: says I might be a dick, but I'm not a rapist,
Speaker 2: and he goes, okay, so what you're saying is the
Speaker 2: mother of my child just fucked you willingly. And he's like, well,
Speaker 2: I don't really remember, and he goes, of course you don't,
Speaker 2: just sad, nameless and faceless piece of ass, and Peter goes,
Speaker 2: I never said that, and he goes, she meant nothing
Speaker 2: to you, but she's a goddess.
Speaker 1: And it's like a really funny line read like I
Speaker 1: know it's serious. In the smith of a mental collapse,
Speaker 1: but it's just like really funny to me. But he cries,
Speaker 1: and then you know, when she agreed to marry me,
Speaker 1: I almost passed out. I was so happy and I
Speaker 1: couldn't protect her them, but I'm gonna do it now
Speaker 1: by making sure I serve eight years in prison. So
Speaker 1: Stone says, be smart, let the justice system work this out,
Speaker 1: and he goes that, fuck justice, I want revenge. He
Speaker 1: starts saying how he wants his daughter to feel safe
Speaker 1: without guys like him. But it's like, you are waving
Speaker 1: a gun at a bar, like I'm just this is
Speaker 1: the kind of guy you want your daughter to end
Speaker 1: up with. Like you're gonna lose some parental rights, I think. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So the phone rings, Stone's like, well, it's probably the cops.
Speaker 2: The sirens start blaring from outside, so we know things
Speaker 2: are getting moven. Stone's like, the last thing you want
Speaker 2: is a swat team bursting through that door. So he
Speaker 2: lets Stone answer the phone. Peter does it very slowly,
Speaker 2: and I love that they were both on our podcast,
Speaker 2: and then they're both in this intense scene.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, cool. I don't know if we talk to
Speaker 1: either of them about this one we.
Speaker 2: Talked about all of it because I think I brought
Speaker 2: up this goddess line because it's so humiliating and funny.
Speaker 4: Ha ha.
Speaker 2: But I also watched all these episodes. There's no way
Speaker 2: I didn't bring it up.
Speaker 1: But maybe we have. For Peter Stoney more focused on
Speaker 1: his thresome scenes, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well for the Kevin Kane episode, do you remember
Speaker 5: he talked about how his brother took a picture of
Speaker 5: the scene where he's holding a beer and a gun
Speaker 5: at somebody, and his brother texted that to him and said,
Speaker 5: this is you whenever somebody tries to leave a party early.
Speaker 1: Good one casey, I don't let you remember that. Hell yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my god, hell yah.
Speaker 2: So anyways, the phones gets answered and Benson's on the scene.
Speaker 2: Sarah and her daughter are there too. Benson meets them.
Speaker 2: Daughter says, my daddy would never hurt anybody. Honey, you
Speaker 2: got a lot to learn. So that I felt like I
Speaker 2: was shocked by the daughter.
Speaker 1: I didn't know they had one, Like, I didn't even
Speaker 1: I think when the daughter shows up there, I was like,
Speaker 1: did they like, did they did we see her before?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I knew about the daughter.
Speaker 2: I don't know why or how, but I've also saying
Speaker 2: that I can't tell you, Kara, like I've seen this
Speaker 2: episode so many like did I see it?
Speaker 1: Did I invent it? Did it happen? Did it not?
Speaker 1: I knew the daughter, I know it did the daughter
Speaker 1: shows up and I'm like they had like I thought
Speaker 1: it was a baby the whole time. So I was
Speaker 1: shocked at the age. And it Also she looks kind
Speaker 1: of like Apple Paltrow, Martin or whatever, Like she's like
Speaker 1: a really stunning, young, like.
Speaker 2: Social lite looking person. I would say, but who knows.
Speaker 2: She could be white trash, But I'm just saying she's
Speaker 2: kind of stunning, Like I feel like her mom's let's
Speaker 2: see who her parents are.
Speaker 1: I don't even Oh Carly Connors is her name. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: she's very beautiful. Oh she was in The Goldfinch, which
Speaker 1: I never saw but I read the book. Oh okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know what that. Oh she only has two crowds,
Speaker 1: that's all she's done in the gold Bench. She's young,
Speaker 1: kitsy barber yep.
Speaker 2: Maybe oh no, she's where maybe she unts to college.
Speaker 2: But look at wait, what is that photo?
Speaker 1: Is that our brother? Like, oh, that's the Gold Finished premiere?
Speaker 1: Like those look like socialite children, you know what I mean. Yeah, oh,
Speaker 1: she follows. She's followed by Becca who was in the
Speaker 1: Book of Esther and Mike Doyle on Instagram, whoa cute Yeah,
Speaker 1: but she has a private profile. But yeah, almost ten
Speaker 1: thousand dollars should maybe be maybe get back into the game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's all I understand you thinking like, wait,
Speaker 2: where did she come from? Because I thought it was
Speaker 2: a baby until we saw her. But also like, yeah,
Speaker 2: why is she here? Why are you bringing her to
Speaker 2: a gun shootout?
Speaker 1: Maybe like that maybe making a neighbor, a trusted friend
Speaker 1: we could leave her with back in Bushwick. It's just
Speaker 1: like crazy to bring the daughter as the dad is
Speaker 1: like waving a gun in the air. So the daughter
Speaker 1: is still like stand up for her today.
Speaker 2: Okay, So the Benson goes to the man in charge,
Speaker 2: and I don't I think he was an extra and
Speaker 2: was not allowed to speak because he only like nodded
Speaker 2: and shook his head and stuff from a distance. It's
Speaker 2: in his uniform, Like I think, yeah, they really tried
Speaker 2: hard to make sure they didn't pay this man. So
Speaker 2: Benson's like, this is his wife, his kid, We need
Speaker 2: to speak to him. The man hands over the phone.
Speaker 2: She calls him. She's crying. The phone rings. He's making
Speaker 2: Stone look at photos of them together on his phone,
Speaker 2: talking about how she's the reason he gets up in
Speaker 2: the morning.
Speaker 1: This mel this man is not doing well. I would
Speaker 1: say this man is not doing well. It's a bit much.
Speaker 2: And he's getting ready to shoot Stone. As the phone
Speaker 2: is ringing again, he answers it. Stone's like, hey, it's free.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 2: She's like it's Sarah, babe, and we'll get through this,
Speaker 2: but don't hurt anybody. Emma's here. She's like, Daddy, I
Speaker 2: love you. This is gonna weigh on her, you know,
Speaker 2: the responsibility of making sure the dad like comes out
Speaker 2: of the hostage situation. So he cries. He loves her too.
Speaker 2: He wants you know, he's sorry, He's sorry, but he
Speaker 2: says he has to go. She doesn't want him to
Speaker 2: hang up. He makes Stone hang the phone back up,
Speaker 2: and I don't think he yeah again, I don't think
Speaker 2: Emma should be here. Grat So Gary also is like,
Speaker 2: why is Emma here? Like me and Gary are on
Speaker 2: the same page here, and Stone is like, because they
Speaker 2: need you and love you and want to be with you,
Speaker 2: and he walks out, arms out, and Emma's screaming daddy,
Speaker 2: but he's like chill as fuck, calm in a flannel chill,
Speaker 2: arrest Sarah and Emma run away. Okay, you waited, you
Speaker 2: brought her and run away for the other direction. Benson
Speaker 2: watches them leave, and then Stone runs out and says like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm okay. And Benson's at her desk. There's a snow
Speaker 2: globe on her desk, and I like that. Finn walks in.
Speaker 2: Gun wasn't loaded, so that's good. So I think that's
Speaker 2: a lesser charge if the gun's not loaded. Maybe maybe not. Yeah,
Speaker 2: probably he borrowed it from her friend. But Stone's not
Speaker 2: pressing charges. He's like that's a good guy whatever. And
Speaker 2: Finn's like okay, well.
Speaker 1: Like is that how it works? Can you just go
Speaker 1: into a bar and make everybody leave by brandishing a
Speaker 1: gun and then if Stone doesn't press charges, it's all good?
Speaker 1: Like I think he still gets like a weird Maybe
Speaker 1: there's other charges.
Speaker 2: I don't know, right, Yeah, if I was one of
Speaker 2: the people that was had to run out of the
Speaker 2: bar because there was a gun and I was traumatized,
Speaker 2: like maybe I'll press charges.
Speaker 1: Yeah, can I press charges like why only? Yeah, criminal
Speaker 1: mischief something even like low grade. I don't even know
Speaker 1: what it would be. No, maybe something's happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wish we got to the bottom of it.
Speaker 2: So Benson says, you know, Stone asked for this Careesy
Speaker 2: runs in, he goes the Department of Health is online
Speaker 2: one okay. He also calls her Loo for lieutenant, and
Speaker 2: I'd never heard that, and I thought that was cute.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought that was cute.
Speaker 2: And then Benson is shady, okay, so she asks for
Speaker 2: Emma's date of birth. So I don't know why, and
Speaker 2: you know what, like when she saw them on the
Speaker 2: scene and I could tell she was looking at them
Speaker 2: extra different. But like, I don't know why this all
Speaker 2: got together in Benson's mind. I've really it's that's why
Speaker 2: she gets that's why she's the lou because I didn't
Speaker 2: catch any of this at all. So so I guess
Speaker 2: the Dad's not the dad is what we're getting. And
Speaker 2: so now we're going to ruin Gary's life some more.
Speaker 2: This is a Will Sasso situation now where I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh Jesus Christ, like this man cannot handle anything else.
Speaker 2: So Benson is back with Sarah and they're chatting, and
Speaker 2: Benson's like, hey, you know, Emma was born eight and
Speaker 2: a half months after your assault, So what's going on, babe.
Speaker 1: And so.
Speaker 2: Again I don't know how she connected it, but Sarah's like,
Speaker 2: we were trying so hard to have a baby. We
Speaker 2: were in a really bad place. She starts crying and
Speaker 2: Benson's like, chill out, like, just tell me what happened.
Speaker 2: So they were partying and a group went back to
Speaker 2: Peter's hotel room, and then her friend left, and when
Speaker 2: she woke up alone in the bed with Peter, her
Speaker 2: clothing was off and she wanted that night to disappear.
Speaker 1: And so she's crying.
Speaker 2: More than six six weeks later, a positive pregnancy test.
Speaker 2: She did not get a DNA test. She just loves
Speaker 2: Gary so much. He wanted a baby so bad she
Speaker 2: couldn't tell him again. It's like another man. It's like
Speaker 2: how everyone else is feeling and stuff. You know, I'm
Speaker 2: thinking about last week's episode and now it's like, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna make sure Gary is a good life and I'm
Speaker 2: going to be tortured with the secret and trauma for
Speaker 2: the rest of my life. It's just like it's so
Speaker 2: twisted and sad, and so she's like, I just couldn't
Speaker 2: tell him. I couldn't do it. So Benson goes, I
Speaker 2: believe you were assaulted. So now we cut to Benson
Speaker 2: and she's going to go talk to this bearded bartender
Speaker 2: guy from earlier, his friend and Kingle style hat. But
Speaker 2: they couldn't they didn't pay for the Kangle logo, so
Speaker 2: just the style and just the style. And Benson's like, well,
Speaker 2: if you say she consented that night, then you know,
Speaker 2: can you do that? And he's like purgery And she's like, well,
Speaker 2: I know, you guys cover for each other, and we
Speaker 2: obviously as an audience know immediately this is a mission
Speaker 2: because Ben and would never you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So she's like, you know, you could just say you
Speaker 2: heard her consent before you left, and then you know
Speaker 2: he would have a fighting chance. But yeah, so then
Speaker 2: she plays into like what he obviously like she knows
Speaker 2: who he is. So she's like, oh, and in this
Speaker 2: day and age, without your fib, he's gonna lose. Think
Speaker 2: of all the ballplayers that have covered for you. And
Speaker 2: he agrees and says, yeah, sure, why the hell not?
Speaker 2: And Benson goes, thanks, that's a start, and you know,
Speaker 2: we're gonna wait also for the test, the DNA test,
Speaker 2: And he's like, wait, what test? What what are you
Speaker 2: talking about? And she's like, you know, the DNA test.
Speaker 2: I wish I had rhythms so I could do the Lizzo.
Speaker 2: I took a DNA.
Speaker 1: I just took a DNA test. Turns out Peterstone is
Speaker 1: one hundred percent. Maybe the father, I don't know, that
Speaker 1: could be fun.
Speaker 2: I liked her, I liked the riff. Okay, So then
Speaker 2: so then we see, you know, things are weird. But
Speaker 2: she goes, you know, we're just gonna make sure. Is
Speaker 2: he the dad of Sarah's daughter? And the time a
Speaker 2: spot on everything works the husband couldn't get her pregnant,
Speaker 2: and the dramatic music plays, and then the beard he
Speaker 2: gets what's happening. He's not that stupid, so then stares
Speaker 2: at Benson, leans back slowly. It's like he won a
Speaker 2: game of chess.
Speaker 1: I mean lost loss, obviously lost a game of chess,
Speaker 1: leans back slowly against the exposed brick wall, and he goes,
Speaker 1: you know, he says softly, and Benson says, I know
Speaker 1: what a guy who's willing to commit perjury in a
Speaker 1: rape case. Thinks about women boom, and she and he
Speaker 1: married someone, So like what he raped this woman and
Speaker 1: then married the other woman, the friend that she was
Speaker 1: with that night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and did they not all see each other at
Speaker 2: the wedding? Like, I don't get what's happening.
Speaker 1: So and also Sarah also said that Stone started to
Speaker 1: get mean at the end. So did this guy like
Speaker 1: fucking drug everybody so that he could do whatever?
Speaker 3: Or what?
Speaker 1: Like? Why was Stone being? She was like, he was
Speaker 1: so nice, but then at the end he got different
Speaker 1: and he was jerk, but a jerky Yeah, but that
Speaker 1: doesn't mean full blow. Yeah, maybe he was just passing out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but so yeah, but you know, Peter Stone passed out,
Speaker 2: didn't he. Benson goes, she was so drunk she didn't
Speaker 2: know what was going on, so she arrests his ass.
Speaker 2: Reggie Griggs turn around, here's some new bracelets, bitch, and
Speaker 2: now it's daytime. We're on the water and Peter is
Speaker 2: met with Benson, who says that Reggie is taking a
Speaker 2: deal with the DA right now and the charges against
Speaker 2: Peter have been dropped. He says, it doesn't let him
Speaker 2: off the hook like it was his hotel room and
Speaker 2: it was his friend. But also in other great news,
Speaker 2: Gary is the father of the baby. Great news for Gary.
Speaker 2: He does not need that. No, I'm really happy. I
Speaker 2: think it would have meant a lot to him. He's
Speaker 2: hanging on by a thread. He honestly needs like a
Speaker 2: weekend in o Hi.
Speaker 1: He needs to get out.
Speaker 2: But she did think Peter was the father the whole time,
Speaker 2: like the So Sarah's free of it too, like they're free.
Speaker 1: Oh you think he would of like grabbed a piece
Speaker 1: of your daughter's hair when she was like three and
Speaker 1: figured it out earlier, just to know that you weren't
Speaker 1: raising your rapist's daughter, you know, and that it was.
Speaker 1: She didn't want to, she didn't watch. She also was
Speaker 1: too scared, too scared. Yeah, she wanted that night to disappear,
Speaker 1: Like didn't want to fucking think about it. And that
Speaker 1: would be really hard to confront actually if that was
Speaker 1: the case. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, uh, this affects Peter huge because you know, I
Speaker 2: don't know why so Benson apologizes for doubting it. I
Speaker 2: guess I know why So Benson apologizes for doubting it.
Speaker 2: Stone says, no way, don't that's why I work with you.
Speaker 2: When all the noise was coming up, there was a
Speaker 2: moment I doubted myself too.
Speaker 1: He's hot.
Speaker 2: He walks off, She stands at the water, Benson like
Speaker 2: looks into the distance.
Speaker 1: And that's stick Wolf Baby A season twenty gem from
Speaker 1: the Stone Chronicles. So there's two cases that are kicking
Speaker 1: around the internet as being based like the inspiration for
Speaker 1: this episode. And one is like sci fula con case
Speaker 1: which is one of the only college rape cases that's
Speaker 1: gone to court. But it's like it seemed really unrelated
Speaker 1: to this one, but it is interesting, and I wonder
Speaker 1: if there'll be another chance to cover it later because
Speaker 1: this guy was acquitted of rape at school, but then
Speaker 1: his college still kicked him out. Yale still kicked him out,
Speaker 1: and then I think he tried to sue Yale and
Speaker 1: the girl who accused him. He seems maybe like not
Speaker 1: a good person, but I don't know. I need to
Speaker 1: do more research on that, but it doesn't seem like
Speaker 1: it has anything to do with this one, and I
Speaker 1: really want to talk about the other one. So, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I want to talk to you about this.
Speaker 1: We're going back. This is once in a while we
Speaker 1: go back into pre nineteen hundred right wait, no way, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so this is an older, older crime. So this is
Speaker 1: Evelyn Nesbit. This is a famous fucking story. I've never
Speaker 1: heard it before.
Speaker 2: Wait, you know why I'm thinking of the Nesbits because
Speaker 2: that's the name in that SVU where like the brothers.
Speaker 1: Oh, Marilyn Nesbit, the one who doesn't feed her kids.
Speaker 1: That's so sick that I know that I know. But
Speaker 1: well that's what I thought of immediately as well. But
Speaker 1: why have we done that episode? I don't know if
Speaker 1: we've done it. No, we haven't waited based on anything.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's based on the wet to
Speaker 1: look it up. We got to look it up. Okay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's yeah, that is one to put right down. Okay.
Speaker 1: So this was the crime of the century when it happened.
Speaker 1: So let me just get into the history. So Evelyn
Speaker 1: Nesbit is considered the world's first supermodel. She started modeling it.
Speaker 1: J Dickinson would not want to hear that. She is pissed.
Speaker 1: You better watch out out. But she's like a Comfrey,
Speaker 1: She's like Evelyn Nesbit, shut up, you old bitch. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: she was fourteen years old in eighteen ninety eight, just
Speaker 1: as his fashion photography was starting to take off, like
Speaker 1: people were starting to use photographs for advertising a lot more.
Speaker 1: And it used to just be like drawings, you know,
Speaker 1: like you'll see old like like drawings of like La
Speaker 1: Chete Noir and stuff like that, like that's kind of
Speaker 1: was the thing. But now people are starting to pose.
Speaker 1: And she was very good at like staying still and
Speaker 1: posing for a long time for photographs or paintings or whatever.
Speaker 1: So she becomes this big model. She quickly rises to
Speaker 1: prominence as a model, and she's very sought after. So
Speaker 1: then in nineteen oh one, when she's around sixteen, she
Speaker 1: becomes a chorus girl on Broadway and one of her
Speaker 1: castmates introduces her to Stanford White, who is a well
Speaker 1: known architect. He's like a very famous architect in Manhattan,
Speaker 1: and he's forty six years old. She's sixteen. Just a reminder, okay.
Speaker 1: So Stanford White invites Evelyn and her cast mate to
Speaker 1: his multi floor apartment on West twenty fourth Street, which
Speaker 1: at the time is right next door to the delivery
Speaker 1: entrance for Fao Schwartz, which is doesn't mean anything, it's
Speaker 1: just kind of a fun tidbit means a lot to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so this guy is loaded multi floor apartment. She's
Speaker 1: really swept off of her feet by like everything that's
Speaker 1: going on there, like the lunch, the expensive furniture, like
Speaker 1: everything about him. He's he's pretty, he's high society, right,
Speaker 1: and he basically becomes her benefactor. He moves her, her brother,
Speaker 1: and her mother into a suite at the Wellington Hotel
Speaker 1: because I think previously her father had died and left
Speaker 1: them penniless, so they had moved to New York to
Speaker 1: try to The mom was trying to make it work
Speaker 1: as like a costumer or like a seamstress, and so
Speaker 1: now the daughter's becoming a model. This rich guy is like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pay for you guys like to move into
Speaker 1: this nice hotel. She he pays for the younger brother
Speaker 1: to go to a military school, and he talks the
Speaker 1: mom into taking a trip over to Pittsburgh to visit
Speaker 1: some friends, promising, don't worry, I'll make sure Evelyn is safe.
Speaker 1: But of course he is a predator. So Evelyn reports
Speaker 1: that later when her mother is this is very bad way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: It's like I was like, I'm surprised, I've never seen
Speaker 1: a movie or whatever based on this. It's like really crazy.
Speaker 1: So but there is, there are movies and like other
Speaker 1: things based on this character, this person, real life person.
Speaker 1: So while she's gone, you know, this guy has her
Speaker 1: over for dinner and champagne with him at his home.
Speaker 1: And the last thing she remembers is changing into a
Speaker 1: yellow kimono that White asked her to change into. When
Speaker 1: she woke up, she was naked. There was blood on
Speaker 1: the sheets, which she said meant that she had he
Speaker 1: had taken her virginity. And even though she did recount
Speaker 1: this incident to other people and described it as date rape.
Speaker 1: But then she eventually entered into a relationship with White,
Speaker 1: which we all know could have been for a million reasons,
Speaker 1: like he's rich and powerful, her family didn't have money,
Speaker 1: he's thirty years older than her. You know, this man
Speaker 1: probably could have ruined her life if she didn't like
Speaker 1: consent to what like was altily abuse. But like, they
Speaker 1: eventually became like quote unquote lovers, and as their relationship
Speaker 1: sort of fizzled out, she found out that he had
Speaker 1: many quote unquote affairs with minors, which he recorded all
Speaker 1: of these crimes in a Little Black Book. So I
Speaker 1: feel like that's we've touched on that in several episodes
Speaker 1: of Best View as well, Like this little freak guy
Speaker 1: is like constantly going after young girls. He's in his
Speaker 1: late forties, and he's recording all of it. So another
Speaker 1: little tidbit is that she had a much more age
Speaker 1: appropriate relationship with actor John Barrymore, grandfather of Drew, during
Speaker 1: this time when Barrymore was twenty and Evelyn was sixteen
Speaker 1: or seventeen, and White tried to keep them apart by
Speaker 1: sending her to boarding school. And at one point Barrymore
Speaker 1: proposed to Evelyn and she turned him down, maybe because
Speaker 1: she was too young, or maybe she didn't. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know why, but apparently he describes Evelyn as
Speaker 1: his first love. He did later. So Evelyn eventually moves
Speaker 1: from chorus girl up to a starring role and was
Speaker 1: cast in a Broadway play called The wild Rose. And
Speaker 1: she eventually becomes involved with a guy named Harry Kendall Thaw,
Speaker 1: and he is the son of a Pittsburgh railroad baron,
Speaker 1: heir to a forty million dollar fortune well nineteen who
Speaker 1: so that's a lot right. Thaw had a long history
Speaker 1: of mental instability going back to his childhood. And he
Speaker 1: was a hot mess, and he had seen the wild
Speaker 1: Rose upwards of forty times before he even met Evelyn.
Speaker 1: So he's obsessed, right, and he hates White. He hates
Speaker 1: Stanford White, the architect, right. He thinks that White has.
Speaker 2: Sots, like it's like, I have no idea where this
Speaker 2: is going, like this is it's a wild.
Speaker 1: It's crazy White. He he thinks White stopped him from
Speaker 1: being welcomed into New York City high society. And he
Speaker 1: also knew that he was a womanizer who preyed on
Speaker 1: underage girl. So he like fucking hates this white guy.
Speaker 1: So it's some suspect that one of the reasons that
Speaker 1: thought even pursued Evelyn was because of her rumored relationship
Speaker 1: with White, which like not everyone is clear about, right,
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, benefactor, is something going on? Like no
Speaker 1: one you know, it's like not clear to a lot
Speaker 1: of people. Okay, So now it's nineteen oh three, Evelyn's
Speaker 1: about eighteen, She's at boarding school. She has to have
Speaker 1: an emergency appendectomy, which many speculate is an abortion. Perhaps
Speaker 1: John Barrymore's No one is sure. Thaw is very super
Speaker 1: protective of her and make sure she gets like top
Speaker 1: of the line medical treatment, like the best doctors. Right.
Speaker 1: He pressures her to go on this trip with him
Speaker 1: to Europe to help with her recovery. Her mother went
Speaker 1: along too, so that it wouldn't be like indecent or whatever.
Speaker 1: But then this motherfucker intentionally makes the schedule of travel insane,
Speaker 1: Like the pace of the travel is like so intense
Speaker 1: that eventually Evelyn and her mother start like fighting and
Speaker 1: being stressed out and going at each other until the
Speaker 1: mind like a villa, like what the fuck? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And he's one of these classic nineteen hundred 's morphine freaks,
Speaker 1: like he's addicted. He's got to get on addictions, you know,
Speaker 1: Like but he's loaded, so it's like no one's calling
Speaker 1: him just like a weirdo and a creep because he's loaded,
Speaker 1: and so he's allowed a certain amount of I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know so status. So basically he causes the mom
Speaker 1: and the daughter to fucking hate each other on this trip,
Speaker 1: and the mom decides I want to go back to
Speaker 1: the States, so they leave the mom's ass in London
Speaker 1: and thought takes Evelyn to Paris alone. And this is
Speaker 1: where he starts pressuring Evelyn to marry him. And but
Speaker 1: Evelyn knows this guy is like pious, like this guy's
Speaker 1: kind of weirdly freakishly religious or like all about purity,
Speaker 1: and he's gonna want a virgin bride. And she's like,
Speaker 1: and I'm not a virgin, like she knows she's not,
Speaker 1: and so she's resisting because yes, it's like so weird.
Speaker 1: It's like this guy is a weird He's on this
Speaker 1: weird more high horse, even though he's like a morphine
Speaker 1: addict and like does all this shit, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, But women have to be a certain way.
Speaker 1: That's like his vibe, right, So and it gets more
Speaker 1: into how he feels about that. So she's like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, this guy wants like a virgin bride, Like
Speaker 1: that's not me. But he just pushes her and pushes
Speaker 1: her so much that eventually she just comes clean to
Speaker 1: him and tells him about the assault from White, that
Speaker 1: how he like date raped her, and then Thaw accuses
Speaker 1: her mother of being unfit, and like you know, he's
Speaker 1: he's upset when he hears about what happened from White,
Speaker 1: of course, because he also hates fucking white. So then
Speaker 1: they continue their European tour and in some point in Austria,
Speaker 1: Dash hungry it says, I don't know if at one
Speaker 1: point that was considered a place together. I'm not very
Speaker 1: good at geography. He takes her to a gothic Katzenstein
Speaker 1: castle where he locks is going on. He locks Evelyn
Speaker 1: in her room, beats her with a whip and sexualist
Speaker 1: over the period of over a two week period.
Speaker 2: What the fuck I mean? Obviously this wasn't a good
Speaker 2: news guy, but like, fuck.
Speaker 1: I know, and then Evelyn and then afterwards he apologizes,
Speaker 1: and something that I read was like and then he
Speaker 1: was pretty upbeat. I'm like, oh, he's pretty upbeat after
Speaker 1: he apologized for basically terrorizing and torturing a woman for
Speaker 1: two weeks. So when they get back to New York City,
Speaker 1: Evelyn tells some friends about what went down in Europe,
Speaker 1: and they're all like, oh, yeah, girl, that guy's nuts,
Speaker 1: Like everybody knows he's nuts. He's a morphine addict, he's unhinged,
Speaker 1: like everyone knows this. So now Evelyn is freaking out
Speaker 1: because she's kind of worried that if people know the
Speaker 1: full extent of her relationship with White, that no one
Speaker 1: will marry her, right, Like that's this old way of
Speaker 1: thinking that she's she thinks she's like damaged goods. But
Speaker 1: she's also pissed at White for letting her go because
Speaker 1: she's still kind of in touch with White, and she's like,
Speaker 1: why didn't you tell me what a Psychothaw was? Like
Speaker 1: you know who he is, Like, why didn't you tell
Speaker 1: me what a psycho this guy was? So then at
Speaker 1: some point her mom gets remarried, and if you thought
Speaker 1: she was a shitty mom before, well now she's just gone.
Speaker 1: Her mom's like out of the picture. So Thaw is
Speaker 1: continuing to pressure Evelyn into marriage and promised that once
Speaker 1: they get married, he'll be like a Benedictine monk if
Speaker 1: they get married, like and she finally agrees, and his
Speaker 1: family approves of the marriage as long as she gives
Speaker 1: up modeling, gives up acting, and doesn't talk about her
Speaker 1: past at all. Very cool. So they get married April fourth,
Speaker 1: nineteen oh five, and this bitch thinks she's going to
Speaker 1: be traveling and entertaining like a millionaire's wife. But it
Speaker 1: turns out Thaw is kind of like religious and like
Speaker 1: straight edge, like he's not about the party lifestyle, and
Speaker 1: he kind of he goes on this mission to expose
Speaker 1: White and all of his crimes as part of like
Speaker 1: these moral vigilance campaigns. Like this man is evil and
Speaker 1: you know, I mean this is like even before prohibition,
Speaker 1: like people were really on their guy. Yeah, but that
Speaker 1: he's an addict, so I don't even know if he's
Speaker 1: really putting things into perspective. What he does is not
Speaker 1: what she does. And you know, like he's all about
Speaker 1: having this like perfect like clean bride or whatever, like
Speaker 1: women or have to be this certain way. So he
Speaker 1: was paranoid not only that White had start had like
Speaker 1: kept him out of New York society, but also that
Speaker 1: he had hired a gang to kill him. Like he
Speaker 1: was paranoid obviously this man and what's just it's just
Speaker 1: something like this is I'm just sad, I know should
Speaker 1: in no way out. It kind of reminds me of
Speaker 1: the movie Poor Things, Like that's what I keep thinking about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was reminding me of like rumors I've heard about
Speaker 1: like young actresses getting sort of like passed around and
Speaker 1: like bad things happening to them, do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like I feel like, that's what I was
Speaker 1: kind of thinking of too. But this guy, Thaw is
Speaker 1: obsessed with White and thinks about him all the time.
Speaker 1: It turns out White doesn't really think about Thaw that much.
Speaker 1: She doesn't really He goes, yeah, I think he's like
Speaker 1: a loser. He's like a peon. He's like not really
Speaker 1: a part of my life. He just does not really
Speaker 1: give that much like credence to this guy at all.
Speaker 1: So now it's June nineteen oh six. Oh and by
Speaker 1: the way, I don't know if I said this. After
Speaker 1: they got married, they basically moved back to the Pittsburgh area.
Speaker 1: So this Evelyn is like, I was a fucking actress
Speaker 1: and a hot model in New York City. I thought
Speaker 1: I was going to marry a millionaire and just start
Speaker 1: living a cool life. Now I have to move to
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh and my only companions are basically my mother in law,
Speaker 1: like Thaw's mom, who is like the matriarch of the
Speaker 1: family and like very sounds very bitchy and very controlling
Speaker 1: of her. So in June of nineteen oh six, Evelyn
Speaker 1: and Thaw stop in New York City before getting on
Speaker 1: a luxury liner to Europe for a vacation, so I
Speaker 1: guess they're traving a little bit, but maybe not as
Speaker 1: much as she'd like. Thaw gets some tickets to the
Speaker 1: premiere of Momzelle Champagne or maybe it's Mamzelle Champagne at
Speaker 1: the rooftop theater of Madison Square Garden, a building which,
Speaker 1: by the way, Stanford White designed. He designed Madison Square Garden.
Speaker 1: This man, what the fuck? Yes, So they go out
Speaker 1: to dinner pre show. Yeah, they go out to a
Speaker 1: little pre show dinner, and they happened to see White
Speaker 1: at the restaurant. And even though it's like June in
Speaker 1: New York City, it's hot, Thaw is wearing a long
Speaker 1: black overcoat over his suxceedo and he wouldn't take it off.
Speaker 1: So now it's eleven PM, the show is wrapping up,
Speaker 1: and for some reason, White walks in with like only
Speaker 1: a few minutes left at the show, and he sits
Speaker 1: down at like a table that is he probably his
Speaker 1: table's He designed the fucking building, So I guess table
Speaker 1: and Thaw approached him apparently a couple times, but then
Speaker 1: kept backing away. And then during the finale number called
Speaker 1: I Could Love a Million Girls, Thaw walks right up
Speaker 1: to White, pulls out a gun and shoots him in
Speaker 1: the face twice from two feet away, and then Thaw
Speaker 1: tells the crowd, I did it because he ruined my wife.
Speaker 1: He had it coming to him, advantage of the girl,
Speaker 1: and then abandon her. You'll never go out with that
Speaker 1: woman again. So this guy is off his rocker. So
Speaker 1: also because of differing witness accounts, some reports say that
Speaker 1: he said you ruined my life, and others heard him
Speaker 1: say you ruined my wife, but no one knows, so
Speaker 1: either way, I guess that's kind of where this connects
Speaker 1: into the SVU episode with the bar and the you know,
Speaker 1: you raped my wife or whatever. So some people in
Speaker 1: the theater thought it was a joke or like part
Speaker 1: of the show. But then it was very obvious, very
Speaker 1: quickly that White was very dead and that was arrested
Speaker 1: by the authorities. His trial was called the Trial of
Speaker 1: the Century. His mother, this crazy millionaire matriarch, did not
Speaker 1: want him to be classified or stigmatized as insane, so
Speaker 1: she urged his defense to pursue a temporary insanity plea
Speaker 1: which is apparently at the time was referred to as
Speaker 1: a brainstorm lol. Being temporary insanity was like, oh, got
Speaker 1: another one of my brainstorm. I thought she did want that. No,
Speaker 1: she wanted him to go under after temporary insanity. They
Speaker 1: didn't want him to be labeled like clinically insane and
Speaker 1: like you know, put away forever. Like she spent over
Speaker 1: five hundred thousand dollars in that time period on doctors
Speaker 1: to work up this defense that this murder was at
Speaker 1: one moment of insanity, even though there's a history of
Speaker 1: mental illness in the family, and there's a history of
Speaker 1: mental illness. Yeah, like in her family, the mother's family,
Speaker 1: many of her relatives have been you know, like she
Speaker 1: had mental illness, and so it's like, yes, your son
Speaker 1: just got that, you know, like, but instead they just
Speaker 1: threw money at the problems all the time. So the
Speaker 1: first trial was in nineteen oh seven Trial the Century.
Speaker 1: Evelyn testified and even detailed her assault by White, which
Speaker 1: she had not told anybody but Thaw. Apparently the press
Speaker 1: was horrible to her. Of course, many of them blamed
Speaker 1: her for this all happening, and that her mother like
Speaker 1: prostituted her by letting her like, you know, be with
Speaker 1: White and all this stuff. A lot of them were
Speaker 1: sympathetic to Thaw because they were like, wow, he was
Speaker 1: just defending his wife's honor, you know. So the lot
Speaker 1: of the press coverage was really fucked up. Like one
Speaker 1: article I read, I actually put it in my show notes,
Speaker 1: but like one of the articles I read is a
Speaker 1: true scan of a paper from that time, and it
Speaker 1: is wild. Like it's like it starts by describing her
Speaker 1: physically her weight and basically was like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: beautiful shock of hair, big eyes? Is that enough for
Speaker 1: getting the electricity? Is the electricity worth it? The electric shock?
Speaker 1: Like basically, is this bitch worth getting the electric chair for? Like,
Speaker 1: you know, they're just talking about her. Imagine like someone's
Speaker 1: testifying at a trial and you're like one hundred and
Speaker 1: three pounds, like you like list the weight in the
Speaker 1: article of the woman on the stand, Like that's the
Speaker 1: kind of time period we're dealing with here. So they're horrible,
Speaker 1: they're shitty. The jury this this trial was so sensationalized
Speaker 1: and people were so obsessed that the jury was sequestered.
Speaker 1: And this is the first time a jury has ever
Speaker 1: been sequestered in US history. This is the I literally
Speaker 1: googled what was the first trial to have sequestered jurors
Speaker 1: after I read this and it's like the murder of
Speaker 1: Stanford White. So this jury is sequestered, and after a
Speaker 1: three month trial and a forty seven hour deliberate deliberation,
Speaker 1: they are deadlocked. Seven of them say guilty, five say
Speaker 1: not guilty. This man shot a man at point blank
Speaker 1: practically range, in front of an audience of people, like
Speaker 1: multiple witnesses, and five people are like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe it's not what we think like or whatever. Maybe
Speaker 1: it had to do with whether they were willing to do.
Speaker 1: I think it was probably whether they were believing that
Speaker 1: he was temporarily insane or not, because that's the plea
Speaker 1: that was actor. So that's probably actually what it was about.
Speaker 1: But they were deadlocked. Thaw was outraged, of course, that
Speaker 1: the jury didn't see what he did as an act
Speaker 1: of chivalry, Like what are you talking about? Like, I'm
Speaker 1: the hero in the story, right. The second trial happens
Speaker 1: in nineteen oh eight the following year, where he pleads
Speaker 1: temporary insanity again and he has found not guilty on
Speaker 1: those grounds, and he was sentenced to involuntary commitment for
Speaker 1: life in Mattawan State Hospital for the criminally insane in Venezua,
Speaker 1: New York. But isn't that what the mom didn't want? Yes, so, obviously,
Speaker 1: because he is beyond loaded, he gets a lot of
Speaker 1: perks and privileges at this place. And immediately from the
Speaker 1: moment he has put into this hospital, he's hiring a
Speaker 1: legal team and assigned all of them to get him
Speaker 1: declared sane, like that is their job. And it took
Speaker 1: a little while. It took so long that in nineteen thirteen,
Speaker 1: after five years in confinement, he escaped the hospital and
Speaker 1: bled to Canada. But he has caught and extradited back
Speaker 1: to the US. But two years later, in nineteen fifteen,
Speaker 1: he is released from custody after being judged sane. They
Speaker 1: did it, The doctors did it. He paid enough money.
Speaker 1: It's classic what we talk about all the time. So
Speaker 1: he had been confined at this mental hospital for seven
Speaker 1: years total for killing this man. Evelyn gave birth to
Speaker 1: a son in nineteen ten, Russell William Thaw in Berlin, Germany,
Speaker 1: and she has always claimed that it was that that
Speaker 1: was Thaw's biological child, conceived during a conjugal visit while
Speaker 1: he was at Mattawan Hospital for the State Hospital for
Speaker 1: the criminally insane in Beacon, New York, and Thaw denied paternity.
Speaker 1: He never would accept this child's paternity or as his
Speaker 1: own child. She divorced him in nineteen fifteen, the same
Speaker 1: year that the child was born, and she went on
Speaker 1: to do silent movies and some vaudeville. She had a
Speaker 1: tough run. I mean, like Thow's family basically cut her off.
Speaker 1: Like at first, they were still giving her money as
Speaker 1: long as she testified in like a favorable way for
Speaker 1: Thaw in the trials, then they would like give her
Speaker 1: these really sporadic payments, and she never knew where any
Speaker 1: money was coming from. And so, you know, and she
Speaker 1: was so infamous now, like the press hounded her. She
Speaker 1: eventually ended up marrying one of her vaudeville partners, but
Speaker 1: then they divorced because he couldn't handle being like mister
Speaker 1: Evelyn nesbit like, because she was so notorious. And then
Speaker 1: she tried to take her life at one point. But
Speaker 1: she did live until eighty two, and she died right
Speaker 1: here in southern California, and she's buried in Culver City.
Speaker 1: So that is the story of the murder of Stanford
Speaker 1: White by Harry Kendallshaw as a result of the rape
Speaker 1: of Evelyn Nesbit. I'm gonna be here for Halloween. I mean,
Speaker 1: I love this outfit. Yeah, it's at the National Gallery
Speaker 1: of Where of Canada. And like her mother never came
Speaker 1: back into her life. Really, her brother had come to
Speaker 1: see White as like a father figure because he sent
Speaker 1: him to military school and blah blah blah, so he
Speaker 1: thought she was lying. And like her brother didn't like
Speaker 1: come to her defense at all. And so this poor
Speaker 1: girl just like thrust into the limelight too young, and
Speaker 1: like do like forced to. It just makes me so
Speaker 1: sad the like trad or like backwards thinking women's movement,
Speaker 1: because it's like, yeah, it's just not a good life
Speaker 1: to be at the hands of these men. Yes, and
Speaker 1: like men who will do as I say, not as
Speaker 1: I do, you know, like they'll do whatever the fuck
Speaker 1: they want. And then she's got to be this like
Speaker 1: proper little flower.
Speaker 2: I love this photo of her. Damn crazy. Wait what
Speaker 2: are these guys' names again? I want to see what
Speaker 2: they look like.
Speaker 1: Oh, Stanford White, Oh my god, it's like mustachio looks
Speaker 1: like a classic guy from like this time. Very cotic. Okay,
Speaker 1: what's then, Harry Kendall Thaw, Yeah, Pittsburgh Cole and.
Speaker 2: I love the photo of him having like a white
Speaker 2: linen table, gorgeous dinner and like the prison behind bars.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. Lots of perks. I mean, it
Speaker 1: looks like he has crystal like one of the pictures
Speaker 1: in front of him looks crystal like. It's nuts. So
Speaker 1: even if he hadn't been able to pay his way
Speaker 1: out of the insane asylum, I think even when he
Speaker 1: was in the insane asylum, he got tons of perks
Speaker 1: and was probably living better than most people in there.
Speaker 1: But that is that on that and that is cinematic.
Speaker 1: I am shock No one's like done anything with that.
Speaker 1: I mean there's like I was looking at, like, you know,
Speaker 1: her thing of like what her portrayal in the media
Speaker 1: has been Like, There's been characters like there was a
Speaker 1: character on Boardwalk Empire that was loosely based on her.
Speaker 1: There's been movies and books that like, oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess in the historical novel rag Time, which is I
Speaker 1: believe is what the musical rag Time is based on,
Speaker 1: they refer to murder and the resulting fame for ansbit
Speaker 1: she's a main character in Ragtime. Whoa but oh yeah,
Speaker 1: she's played by.
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Why couldn't she just like live on her own
Speaker 2: with this career? Did she not get paid? Like are
Speaker 2: you just can't be a single woman even if you
Speaker 2: have a career in the arts, Like fuck, I don't.
Speaker 1: Even know she was allowed to have a bank account.
Speaker 1: We could only get credit cards in nineteen seventy or something,
Speaker 1: so like I wonder if it was just like no choice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she just was so worried about being branded as like
Speaker 1: like untouchable. But from what happened with White that she
Speaker 1: just married this other psycho and then I guess her
Speaker 1: problem kind of got solved after that because one killed
Speaker 1: the other one. But then she got nothing like out
Speaker 1: of that, really, you know. So yeah, it's crazy. This
Speaker 1: is like this is a really nuts story. But I
Speaker 1: had not heard really anything about it. So oh I
Speaker 1: watched this online and it was this guy and he's like,
Speaker 1: you know, we was like, oh, why so much violence? Violence?
Speaker 2: And he goes, Caine killed Abel. He's like like the
Speaker 2: third guy killed the fourth guy. So like murder has
Speaker 2: been around since, like it could they couldn't even make
Speaker 2: it to four guys or five guys.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. Yeah, And I thought that
Speaker 1: was like funny or sad, whatever you want to I
Speaker 1: don't know. Well, yeah, and it's just kind of like
Speaker 1: this guy was just like carrying a gun and taking
Speaker 1: him to the show like you you obviously planned this out.
Speaker 1: It was like pre meditated. He didn't just like run
Speaker 1: into him in New York.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: So money always buys whatever you want. And don't trust
Speaker 1: a man. And definitely not a morphine addict. Not a
Speaker 1: morphine no. But we have a guest, so don't go anywhere.
Speaker 1: Our guest today is an actor that I know, I
Speaker 1: remember from classic films like Father of the Bride and
Speaker 1: Adventures in Babysitting, not to mention it takes two. He
Speaker 1: also had recurring roles on the show Scandal and Designing Women.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, iconic or you might recognize his voice because
Speaker 1: he is the longest running animated Superman voice actor. But
Speaker 1: you know him today as one of Rollin's baby daddies,
Speaker 1: Doctor Al Pollock. Please enjoy our chat with George Newborn. Hi, Jay, Hello, Hello,
Speaker 1: how are nice to meet you? Well, you know you're
Speaker 1: the number one fuck boy in s FU history. Thrilled here.
Speaker 2: It's really rare to see a doctor fuck boy out
Speaker 2: in the well representation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they are out there.
Speaker 1: Apparently he did a great job. Yeah, how did this?
Speaker 1: How did this?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: When you first did this role, did you think it
Speaker 1: was just gonna be like one episode or did you
Speaker 1: always know it was going to be this like longer
Speaker 1: love interest thing with Kelly Giddish.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I knew, well, I I got I got the offer.
Speaker 6: It's it's one of those rare, rare jobs that I
Speaker 6: didn't have to audition, which is just like never happens.
Speaker 6: But I knew and had worked and done a series
Speaker 6: for Michael Chernichen, who was I guess the showrunner at
Speaker 6: the time on the show. I think he was had
Speaker 6: done it for several years and then stopped thinking back
Speaker 6: and back and forth.
Speaker 4: But but yeah, so he said, hey, come you want
Speaker 4: to come be a love interest of this character? And
Speaker 4: I said, sure, man, And I thought it was gonna
Speaker 4: be one or two, and I guess it turned into four,
Speaker 4: and and then I kept thinking, hey, maybe it's like
Speaker 4: he'd know, and the teams for Driver said, I don't worry,
Speaker 4: he's not gonna last. He's like, well, wait wait what Yeah, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: because she's too she's too big of a deal with
Speaker 4: the other the lead characters.
Speaker 3: Yah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was like, oh ship.
Speaker 2: So yeah, but I could see you coming back needing
Speaker 2: something from the squad yeah yeah, or or you're involved
Speaker 2: like the patient.
Speaker 4: Something, there's a baby.
Speaker 1: That's what I don't understand that. I don't understand why
Speaker 1: you haven't come back for like a little bit of like, uh,
Speaker 1: I want to spend time with my daughter kind.
Speaker 4: Of, That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, busy and he's busy making the round.
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: Do you is your character independently wealthy or doctor rich
Speaker 2: and they're just cops?
Speaker 6: I think, you know, I think that maybe he's just
Speaker 6: done okay as being a doctor.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go with that. Okay.
Speaker 2: Have you ever been at a restaurant and ordered like
Speaker 2: all the dessert or everything on the menu.
Speaker 1: Do you have any personal life? What's your big flashy
Speaker 1: restaurant moment?
Speaker 4: What's my thing flashy?
Speaker 6: You know our flashy restaurants we go to here in
Speaker 6: Eli's three Months, which we love like to sit, like
Speaker 6: to sit at the counter and watch Nancy Silverton come
Speaker 6: in and you know, you know, place that you know,
Speaker 6: compose the plates and stuff and yeah.
Speaker 4: Great one. I love it, love it, love it, love it.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, we ordered just lots of matsa rollan, not
Speaker 6: a lot of dessert.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite things about this episode is that
Speaker 1: there's a cut scene where you I don't know if
Speaker 1: you remember this, because I don't know if you watch
Speaker 1: the episodes of like What you Do after you do that?
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 4: Sometimes I do and don't, but I did watch these.
Speaker 1: You're busier, you do want a scene of you giving
Speaker 1: the heimlick to a little girl while you're in the
Speaker 1: restaurant with Kelly Yiddish and girl like, it's so funny
Speaker 1: because like it's on YouTube and yeah, you just like
Speaker 1: pop it out real quick and then the little girls
Speaker 1: like thank you, and then you just go back to
Speaker 1: your seat.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I kind of forgot about that.
Speaker 6: I was just trying to humanize him, right because he
Speaker 6: was sort of a dish right for she's kind of
Speaker 6: mean and cheetah, and then he's like just to show hey,
Speaker 6: I'm a good guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah I remember that. It was good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, is your character and scandal because like
Speaker 1: to me, you're like, to me, you're like Father of
Speaker 1: the Bride, You're all these like I watched all these
Speaker 1: movies you were in, like even It Takes Two. That's
Speaker 1: back when I was looking at your see that what
Speaker 1: I was when I was a kid that was on
Speaker 1: TV all the time, Like I see like I want
Speaker 1: like Adventures of babysitting. Like you seem like you always
Speaker 1: played kind of like the nice guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I don't know, like I don't know
Speaker 1: what your character in Scandal is because I'm sorry, I
Speaker 1: never I'm just like.
Speaker 6: I'll tell you. I played an assassin. He was a
Speaker 6: really bad guy. Yeah, it was a cool part. It's
Speaker 6: one of the coolest parts I've ever gotten to. So
Speaker 6: he was assassin, but he got to be funny and
Speaker 6: I kind of ended up with a girl at the
Speaker 6: end that stayed on in seven years.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 6: It was a great It was a great part, really
Speaker 6: interesting character. But he killed a lot of people, tortured
Speaker 6: with a lot of people.
Speaker 1: And you got to do all those scenes.
Speaker 4: I got to do all that stuff. Yeah, man, it was.
Speaker 4: It was one.
Speaker 6: It was actually I got hired as a guest star
Speaker 6: and I did one episode and then three episodes later,
Speaker 6: I get on another and another, and then my character
Speaker 6: kind of became like this all purpose hit man for
Speaker 6: all the people who were doing all these shitty things
Speaker 6: on the show. And I got to just keep going.
Speaker 6: And I said, well, how am I going to stay
Speaker 6: on this when I getting killed? And I said, I
Speaker 6: got it. I gotta be funny, I gotta do something.
Speaker 6: So I kind of would try to insert little things
Speaker 6: that made me as appealing as possible for bad guys.
Speaker 6: So so I was so as I managed, with some
Speaker 6: help from some writer.
Speaker 4: Friends, to stay on the show. I went to I
Speaker 4: went to that job.
Speaker 6: There were four times where I was dead in the
Speaker 6: morning and by the afternoon they'd kept me alive on
Speaker 6: on four different emicods.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I was. I would sweat every time i'd
Speaker 4: go to the table.
Speaker 1: You have done like you've done. You've been working for
Speaker 1: a long time and you've done all these procedurals. But
Speaker 1: is this little arc as Al Pollock like the first
Speaker 1: Dick Wolf Universe thing you ever did?
Speaker 4: Uh? Hold on, let me think.
Speaker 1: Because I went through your IMDb and like, I didn't
Speaker 1: see any other law and orders or any fires or meds.
Speaker 4: No, wait, hold on, I didn't do the fires or meds.
Speaker 4: I did.
Speaker 6: I did all the uh, shoot, what's what's the thing
Speaker 6: with Billy Peterson?
Speaker 4: All the not csize csize. I did all the CSI
Speaker 4: and then I did look, I did, I did s
Speaker 4: for you. I don't think I didn't know.
Speaker 1: You got some cold cases Boston.
Speaker 4: There's about two years there.
Speaker 6: I was the purp on every show for two years,
Speaker 6: and uh, and then it stopped and then.
Speaker 1: You know, uh, but you have like nice sky face,
Speaker 1: so you're not the first person that people think exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, everybody, everybody's going to go through that cycle and
Speaker 4: you come out the other. Yeah. I've been doing it
Speaker 4: a long time, so it's I've been I've been really lucky.
Speaker 6: It's been a little slow these last couple of years, boys,
Speaker 6: since the stay at home and the strikes, strike and stuff. Man,
Speaker 6: it is, it's glacially slow. At the moment it comes wrong,
Speaker 6: it'll come wrong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've I mean you've done like that, you've read. Yes,
Speaker 1: you do a lot of voiceover.
Speaker 4: I do a lot of voiceover. I mean I gotta
Speaker 4: stay busy. You gotta stay busy, man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what are you do you have any like stuff
Speaker 1: of your of Superman? Like, did you get any cool.
Speaker 1: What are they called where it's clear like the film
Speaker 1: with the drawings.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, how did I do? I have a company?
Speaker 1: I think like animation cells, cells.
Speaker 4: Some animation cells. I have drawings.
Speaker 6: I have some drawings from the animators that that just
Speaker 6: drew stuff for me. I don't have any original cells
Speaker 6: from the shows. But I'm the longest running Superman uh
Speaker 6: in in history.
Speaker 4: Actually, I've just.
Speaker 6: Been doing it for almost twenty twenty years, from from
Speaker 6: all the from all the animated shows, the games, and
Speaker 6: the one off movies. I mean there's been there have
Speaker 6: been another. There's another Superman super in between.
Speaker 1: Christopher Reeve, the newer guy. Horn Sweat's the new guy.
Speaker 4: Oh he's great. I just need any animation.
Speaker 1: Animation Hanry Cavils, the guy was trying to think of no.
Speaker 6: No no in the animated world and the longest running
Speaker 6: you know, yeah, I've been sucked.
Speaker 4: You know, I've been like you to do that games
Speaker 4: and movies and.
Speaker 1: And then you've narrated over five hundred audiobooks.
Speaker 6: It's six hundred at this point.
Speaker 4: I've been there today.
Speaker 6: I've been in the booth right spent four feet for
Speaker 6: me right now, But in there I got to go
Speaker 6: back in when we finish.
Speaker 1: You know, do you ever are you ever narrating an
Speaker 1: audiobook and you're like, this book is bad?
Speaker 6: Oh all about more than half the time. More than
Speaker 6: half the time. Oh yeah, yeah. But it's what's great
Speaker 6: about it is that it for for for me, I've
Speaker 6: just been really fortunate.
Speaker 4: You don't have to have an agent, you don't have
Speaker 4: to wait.
Speaker 6: You have direct relationships with publishers, so I reach out
Speaker 6: to them and I have conversations with the authors and
Speaker 6: the publishers.
Speaker 4: There's no it's it's not a show quote unquote show
Speaker 4: business job.
Speaker 6: It's more like a like a one man it's like
Speaker 6: a stand up or a one one man performance piece
Speaker 6: every time because you're recording, you're directing yourself, you're engineering yourself,
Speaker 6: you're performing it. You're you know, there's some technical aspects
Speaker 6: to this on the computer, but it's solitary. But it's
Speaker 6: a union job, which is great. So it's it's it's
Speaker 6: great to stay I can stay busy in between jobs.
Speaker 4: So it's wonderful. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Unfortunately it has been a really long stretch of
Speaker 6: his last batch. But but uh, but it's good. It's
Speaker 6: it's really hard, hard, hard on the heart of my
Speaker 6: voice because I'm I'm talking for six hours a day
Speaker 6: non stop, you know, and and it's really hard, but
Speaker 6: it's keeps your brain active, you know, it's you know, stimulating,
Speaker 6: and it's.
Speaker 4: Like you have to be like an athlete.
Speaker 6: You know, you're you're breathing and you're all of all
Speaker 6: the rest of it.
Speaker 4: It's it's it's definitely disciplined. You know.
Speaker 1: Do you have to read the book or how many
Speaker 1: times before you report it?
Speaker 4: My good god, how could you? I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 4: I'm telling you, I got a four hundred page book.
Speaker 6: I can't possibly read the four hundred page book and
Speaker 6: then reread the I mean.
Speaker 4: There's there's not enough time.
Speaker 6: So you kind of you know, you you scan it,
Speaker 6: you do the do the prep work for it. If
Speaker 6: it's a fiction, you know, you got to stand all
Speaker 6: the one one one of the science fiction things. I
Speaker 6: had two hundred characters and I have to sketch it
Speaker 6: out on a notebook and as a you know, who
Speaker 6: are the main ones, who's you know, who speaks the
Speaker 6: most and where are they from? Do they assign accents
Speaker 6: to it? You can reference this stuff. They're a program
Speaker 6: I've got on my computer, but uh, you have to
Speaker 6: do the prep work. But as I'm reading, and I'm
Speaker 6: generally reading it, you know, for the first time.
Speaker 4: Sense like you know, he's a British guy. It got
Speaker 4: like that. You know, you don't go crazy all the time.
Speaker 4: You not just sort of give it a you give.
Speaker 6: A hint of it unless it's is super pronounced, because
Speaker 6: otherwise it takes the listener out of the book, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if they're Brits, they know there's like so
Speaker 1: many regional accents they'll know they're wrong.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And you know, I'm sure that I've got about
Speaker 6: four British accents.
Speaker 4: Uh, and they're like hundreds of them.
Speaker 1: But you know, George, you mentioned being from the South,
Speaker 1: and you know, I mean I was looking up your
Speaker 1: your bio and in this age of NEPO babies, you
Speaker 1: seem like you just came from like a pretty non
Speaker 1: Hollywood family in Arkansas. So then it was like the
Speaker 1: next step was northwestern and then starting to act or
Speaker 1: like how did you did you do theater in Chicago?
Speaker 4: For I did?
Speaker 6: I did children's theater out of Little Rock, Arkansas, I
Speaker 6: believe it or not, Since I was thirteenth, I was
Speaker 6: I was doing tons of musicals in Arkansas, and I
Speaker 6: was did a couple of musical tours that actually came
Speaker 6: to New York. I spent some time in the child
Speaker 6: Was Theater in Minneapolis when I was fourteen. I would
Speaker 6: spend a semester up in Minneapolis. But uh, and then
Speaker 6: I went to Northwestern and did a ton of shows
Speaker 6: at school, and I thought, I was, I did you
Speaker 6: know stuff in Equity theaters in Chicago at the time,
Speaker 6: and I thought it was going to end up in
Speaker 6: New York. But I auditioned for this this movie, and
Speaker 6: I got flown out to la when I was a
Speaker 6: junior in college, and it was Back to the Future
Speaker 6: and I got down to the very end of that
Speaker 6: thing between right before Eric Stilts got hired and I did.
Speaker 6: I did a twelve hour screen test with everybody. The
Speaker 6: whole cast had been cast, they built the sets and everything,
Speaker 6: and I just left my you know, my theater class
Speaker 6: at school. I got on an airplane, came out there,
Speaker 6: and what the hell is this? So I kind of
Speaker 6: that event for me. I got so close to it
Speaker 6: and it was really really fun. But that experience sort
Speaker 6: of said we maybe don't go to New York.
Speaker 4: Now, maybe go to LA. And so then I went
Speaker 4: up to LA when I graduating.
Speaker 1: And are your kids in the arts?
Speaker 5: None?
Speaker 4: They want nothing to do with it.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 6: My oldest is a she's a works for social media
Speaker 6: for a restaurant group and does events.
Speaker 4: She's she's she had a design degree. My middle girl
Speaker 4: worked for the New York Times for five years. She
Speaker 4: lives in London with her boyfriend.
Speaker 6: And my youngest it lives in Chicago and he's in
Speaker 6: commercial real estate. They don't want anything to do. They
Speaker 6: saw how hard it was with two hours growing. It
Speaker 6: was it's it's a bitch. It's fun, it's really fun,
Speaker 6: but you know, if you want to have like have
Speaker 6: a family and raise kids and stuff, it's just it
Speaker 6: was hard then. I can't imagine how how it is
Speaker 6: now because it could change, you know, dramatically.
Speaker 1: So how did it end up where you became Julius
Speaker 1: sugar Baker's son, because that's like really out of this world.
Speaker 6: A huge Carter fan, that's crazy. So I was when
Speaker 6: I was a senior in high school. They came this
Speaker 6: TV movie came to Arkansas to shoot the Teve movie,
Speaker 6: and I auditioned and I got a part because the
Speaker 6: producer was a football coach, Harry Thomas and who was
Speaker 6: married to Lynda Bloodwork thomasin he was a football coach
Speaker 6: turned producer and just moved to LA and he had
Speaker 6: seen me as a kid and children's theater. So hey
Speaker 6: come out in nodiciably. So yeah, I got my SAG
Speaker 6: card Mi union card. Was a senior in high school.
Speaker 6: And then when I came out to LA after college,
Speaker 6: this is you know whatever. Six years later, my first
Speaker 6: audition was for Designing Women and I walked in the
Speaker 6: room and Harry goes hey, I said, we called you
Speaker 6: and do you remember from Blue Ragams? Oh my god
Speaker 6: of courseriy. So anyway, so I auditioned and I got
Speaker 6: that part. So and I knew I'm close to to
Speaker 6: Harry and Lindon, that whole group and Annie Potts and
Speaker 6: I miss Dixie terribly, terrible, terrible loss.
Speaker 4: But She's was a beautiful woman, wonder wonderful.
Speaker 1: Person, gone too soon. I mean I was so obsessed
Speaker 1: with her, like I love her.
Speaker 4: She was life force man, she was something.
Speaker 1: Yeah like later she came later, she was on Desperate
Speaker 1: Housewives when it was and I was like, she is
Speaker 1: just like the best. Annie Potts is a recurring SVU
Speaker 1: legend as well.
Speaker 4: Sure, sure, yeah, I don't. I don't know. You know,
Speaker 4: you guys watched all that. I don't.
Speaker 6: I don't watch them. I watch all those proceduals that much.
Speaker 6: I know they're super popular. I have the attention span
Speaker 6: of the squirrel.
Speaker 1: Can people recognize you?
Speaker 2: Because these are all shows with such big fandoms? Do
Speaker 2: you ever get like What's in the Street?
Speaker 6: I do a lot of cop I do a lot
Speaker 6: of comic cons for the voice of Superman in this
Speaker 6: other video game character.
Speaker 4: So so the last six years I got to a
Speaker 4: lot of com cons.
Speaker 6: So come to my table, and a lot of people
Speaker 6: do know me from the SPU thing.
Speaker 4: And then it was only four episodes. I'm shocked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but well you're it's a love interest of one
Speaker 1: of the detectives. It's not like you're some Lucy goosey criminal.
Speaker 1: You're in there and you did her.
Speaker 4: Dirty Kelly So Kelly Kelly. Yeah, so Kelly left the
Speaker 4: show and now she's back on run.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she didn't leave. She definitely was contentious. It was
Speaker 2: like what happened to Maloney after twelve years, they didn't
Speaker 2: want to pay her, so then they fired her and
Speaker 2: then I think the fandom was livid.
Speaker 1: So then and.
Speaker 2: She's still with Caresi, who Peter Scanavino, So that was weird.
Speaker 2: So they made her a professor and then now they
Speaker 2: like use her for help, but they can't afford her
Speaker 2: and Iced Tea right now. So this season they're both
Speaker 2: kind of part.
Speaker 4: Time interesting, interesting and kept up.
Speaker 2: So well, yeah, that would be crazy if you did,
Speaker 2: but Ice See says he's keeping busy anyways, you know
Speaker 2: he'll do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the bag after like ca Scale, I don't
Speaker 1: know if it can like handle, like when someone like
Speaker 1: Iced Tea has been on a show for like twenty
Speaker 1: seven years. It's the longest running show, so like both
Speaker 1: him and then Kelly Ginnish probably also are like expensive
Speaker 1: in terms of like sure.
Speaker 2: But we interviewed her right after that moment and we
Speaker 2: felt like we got an exclusive and it felt like
Speaker 2: she was pissed, so we're happy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well that's good and.
Speaker 1: Sure like residuals forever. But was there yeah, like overall
Speaker 1: working on the SVU set, like any little tidbits, any
Speaker 1: little fun things that happened, we just you know, our
Speaker 1: viewers love the inside school.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 6: I've known Mauritia for thirty years. Oh yeah, just as
Speaker 6: an actress, you know, banging around Los Angeles. And she's
Speaker 6: good friends with other good friends of mine h from
Speaker 6: their college years. And one of the guys actually dated
Speaker 6: her for a minute.
Speaker 4: And she and I.
Speaker 6: Tested for she Shut together at CBS once and neither
Speaker 6: one of us got it, although we were, oh, no,
Speaker 6: this is yours to lose, and we go, okay, let's go.
Speaker 4: We going to get both of us bumps. But but
Speaker 4: she's it's been. It's really fun to watch to have
Speaker 4: watched her own sort of evolve on the show and
Speaker 4: it being such a big hit, and for being a
Speaker 4: spokesman and and all for all these things, and uh,
Speaker 4: it's it's it's pretty impressive and unbelievable that that show
Speaker 4: is on for so long. No show has stay on
Speaker 4: that long, you know. Crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she really did it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's she's she's a good one.
Speaker 1: What it's coming up for you?
Speaker 6: Well, I did a movie a year and a half
Speaker 6: ago called A Prince with I'm Sorry, Andy Garcia, JK. Simmons,
Speaker 6: Nicholas Cage and who else is in it. Gunning Scott Hayes,
Speaker 6: He's is the lead of it. What's it called The Prince?
Speaker 6: And David Mammont wrote it. David Mammont wrote it.
Speaker 4: So it's so it's good good pedigree. Script is really good.
Speaker 4: It hasn't gotten released, it hasn't gotten distribution as far
Speaker 4: as I know, So I don't.
Speaker 6: Have a big part of it, but I have a
Speaker 6: smaller part. But that's the last bigger thing I did,
Speaker 6: and the rest of it. I've been doing video games
Speaker 6: and narration. And you know, I'm also on an olive farmer.
Speaker 6: We have a farm.
Speaker 1: I know. I was gonna ask you about this in
Speaker 1: you have this olive oil? You are busy?
Speaker 4: What the fuck?
Speaker 1: So many things?
Speaker 4: What listen, What are you gonna do is sit on
Speaker 4: your butt all day? I can't. I gotta do something.
Speaker 1: So you're making olive oil.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we have four hundred trees that we planted, and
Speaker 6: I'm kind of the I kind of do it all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've got We've got eight different varietals.
Speaker 1: And how'd you get into it?
Speaker 6: We we had we built this house in the wine
Speaker 6: country north of Santa Barbara about twenty years ago, and
Speaker 6: we put some smaller, all the trees around the house,
Speaker 6: and then they got really big and they started throwing
Speaker 6: off all these islands. And about five years ago it's like, what,
Speaker 6: you know, we do something of this And yeah, then
Speaker 6: I kind of got into I got massively into it,
Speaker 6: and then it just we started planting and planting and
Speaker 6: planting plenty.
Speaker 4: So uh, we have a farm now and it's really beautiful.
Speaker 1: And the olive oil is called hands right.
Speaker 6: Ten hands hands, and it's the quality is insane, it's
Speaker 6: so good. We only made three hundred bttles this year
Speaker 6: and I'm well, we haven't. We are not good with
Speaker 6: the distribution part of this. We have a website, but
Speaker 6: we when we get more to sell, we will put
Speaker 6: it on the website because they sell really quickly.
Speaker 4: When I mentioned it, it just just goes. So but
Speaker 4: when we have more to sell.
Speaker 1: I'm on the site. Okay, I'm ready, Yeah, yeah, We're
Speaker 1: all just.
Speaker 6: We sell it locally. We sell it locally, you know, folks.
Speaker 6: So yeah, you'll love it. You'll love it when you
Speaker 6: got it.
Speaker 1: Sounds like something that needs to go into Arawan, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Just charge like one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty dollars a bottle.
Speaker 4: Jeez, I my daughter. Still that wasn't I understand that?
Speaker 3: Do you?
Speaker 1: I have to ask about Father of the Bride too, Yeah, obviously, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like the Father of the Bride was that like that
Speaker 1: movie just feels maybe it was like the age I
Speaker 1: was when it came out. It was just like such
Speaker 1: a big movie to me, you know. And it's on Delta.
Speaker 1: You can watch it anytime you want on a flight.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's a great movie. You know, it's just
Speaker 6: a great movie. Both both of them are really good.
Speaker 6: It's just I've done a lot of stinkers, but then
Speaker 6: a lot of kind of classic ones, which is fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So you know, do.
Speaker 1: People ever come up to you and go, you know,
Speaker 1: twenty two is a little bit young for Annie to
Speaker 1: be getting married.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I get I get it all
Speaker 6: the time in the airport, man, people you know, people
Speaker 6: in LA don't come up to me when I when
Speaker 6: I travel.
Speaker 4: It's like it's like suddenly, like why are people well,
Speaker 4: oh oh that's right.
Speaker 6: I guess usually Fathered Bride had been on a loop
Speaker 6: or something or scandal was just recently honestly, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: I just sit in my booth all day and I
Speaker 6: don't I don't ever see people.
Speaker 1: And you're in the booth after this, you're just in
Speaker 1: there in the booth. Do you keep in touch with
Speaker 1: all your old scandal pals.
Speaker 4: We do.
Speaker 6: We have a really big text chain on what's happened,
Speaker 6: Probably talked three.
Speaker 4: Times a week.
Speaker 1: Nice. That's amazing.
Speaker 4: That's a great group.
Speaker 1: I love crushing it. I also am just still thinking,
Speaker 1: how like this movie with Nicholas Cage can't get distribution,
Speaker 1: Like what the fuck? Like it's David Mammott, like, let
Speaker 1: us watch it, we want it.
Speaker 4: Well I don't. I don't know that it can't get distribution.
Speaker 6: I don't know if if it's the right distribution, you know,
Speaker 6: I mean, and maybe waiting for a special deal.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I want to watch this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I need too. I want to see it.
Speaker 1: I want to see it a satirical drama exploring the
Speaker 1: life of a troubled son within a powerful American dynasty,
Speaker 1: like I want Beverly friend of the Pod also on
Speaker 1: sv Oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really glad that you came and did this.
Speaker 2: And I'm just think because the fact that you talk
Speaker 2: all day to give us some extra talking, we feel
Speaker 2: You're welcome.
Speaker 4: You're welcome. I have throat coat and pineapple juice.
Speaker 1: Wait, pineapple juice a thing? Tell us more? Wait, no,
Speaker 1: give us we're a stand away. We talk a lot too,
Speaker 1: ye will you be a secret constantly voice?
Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you.
Speaker 6: So you start out in the morning or earlier in
Speaker 6: the day with throat warm tea, which is throat coat. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and then first you want to hydrate. You want to
Speaker 6: drink a couple of guys of water.
Speaker 1: That's where I'm out.
Speaker 6: Then start with throat coat, and then as the day
Speaker 6: goes on, you want to cool it down and maybe
Speaker 6: throw a little ice in there, and then then start
Speaker 6: adding pineapple juice to the throat coat. And then the
Speaker 6: pineapple juice is is it's an enzyme coach your throat.
Speaker 1: Wow, pineapple juice okay, into the throat coat, iced, and
Speaker 1: then it probably tastes good.
Speaker 4: It tastes great, it tastes great. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 4: Pineapple juice is the key.
Speaker 1: Pineapple juice like ten people. So I'm excited. Oh oh
Speaker 1: my god. Okay, that was really fun.
Speaker 2: But something did just come into my brain and I'd
Speaker 2: like to discuss someone Yesterday was like who's your favorite
Speaker 2: NEPO And so we were like talking and I finally
Speaker 2: was like, oh, Marishka, like Marishka would be my favorite NEPO.
Speaker 2: That's like it should have come to me faster. And
Speaker 2: then this person said, Juli Louis Dreyfus. I go, she's
Speaker 2: just rich it's not NEPO, and they go, no, Richard
Speaker 2: Dreyfus is the father.
Speaker 1: I go, no, no, and he was just so sure
Speaker 1: and then of course wrong and embarrassed. I go, thank
Speaker 1: god it happened here.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm a safe space, like I'm glad it
Speaker 2: happened in front of me and I can just like
Speaker 2: correct you and move on.
Speaker 1: But you would be humiliated in life. They're like fourteen
Speaker 1: years apart. Maybe, Yeah, I was gonna say, they're like
Speaker 1: I'm looking up their ages right now, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's not even. They're thirteen years apart from each other
Speaker 1: in age, so it's not impossible, but it's not. No, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I thought that when I was like ten
Speaker 1: years old, like Seinfeld was first on, I was like,
Speaker 1: she must be related to Richard Drevis. Their names are
Speaker 1: also spelt differently. Y.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it is you know, embarrassing things happen
Speaker 2: and it's good that I'm a safe space. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: but also just so sure to my face and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 1: It's just like you're just wrong. I thought they were
Speaker 1: gonna argue with you on the on whether it is
Speaker 1: kind of NEPO to just be the child of like
Speaker 1: people with billions of dollars.
Speaker 2: That's definitely a thing. But like in the discussion we,
Speaker 2: like I was having in my head, it's like, what
Speaker 2: are the industry people you know, Like, because I don't
Speaker 2: I respect NEPO, I think more than billionaire.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean cause it's all like related. It's like
Speaker 1: you're getting a leg up. Like a billionaire still knows
Speaker 1: a producer in Hollywood to call to get you an audition,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like even if they are
Speaker 1: in finance, they still know these people. Like it's all
Speaker 1: you know, Like Lena Dunham's parents like one of them,
Speaker 1: Like she's always considered this hugepo and like aren't they
Speaker 1: Like if your mom's a fine artist, that's a famous
Speaker 1: fine artist, but you become an actor writer? Is that NEPO?
Speaker 2: Like, so someone we probably have talked about it on
Speaker 2: this I watched an interview. This isn't like an original take,
Speaker 2: but she was just saying, like with in terms of
Speaker 2: Lena Dunnam, where it's like both your parents are fine artists,
Speaker 2: like just knowing culture, just being able to go to
Speaker 2: stuff like knowing like when when the nepos go, my
Speaker 2: dad was just like a DP and it's like most
Speaker 2: people don't know that that's a job, yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: or that you could build a set, Like most people
Speaker 2: don't know these jobs even exist. It's like even living
Speaker 2: in New York City, like being proximity to culture and
Speaker 2: understanding your parents being super educated, Like there are just
Speaker 2: things that it's it's.
Speaker 1: A good thing.
Speaker 2: It's not like you deserve less, but it's just like
Speaker 2: not understanding that.
Speaker 1: It's kind of when I talk to the lions Gate
Speaker 1: guy who was like, well, everyone gets help, and I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: some people are in foster care, Like what are you
Speaker 1: talking about. So it's this idea because I think about
Speaker 1: it all the time when my immigrant parents like they
Speaker 1: don't they didn't know anything, Like I truly had to
Speaker 1: figure everything out. People are like why'd you go to
Speaker 1: Iowa for college?
Speaker 2: I go because I was seventeen and trusted to my
Speaker 2: own decisions and had no one telling me otherwise, Like
Speaker 2: no one like they and what they were telling me
Speaker 2: irrelevant to my life, like they were teaching me where
Speaker 2: it's just like, yeah, it's nonsense. It's the rich dad,
Speaker 2: poor dad.
Speaker 3: Shit.
Speaker 2: It's like if you know how to invest her, I
Speaker 2: have stocks as a kid, like all of those things.
Speaker 2: Like if your parents are super educator in the art
Speaker 2: world in New York City and you get to go
Speaker 2: to parties or their friends with writers and directors and
Speaker 2: you go to school with Martin Scorsese's daughter, Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: a different fucking life.
Speaker 1: I kind of like talking to George Nubern today because
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting how he was literally grew
Speaker 1: up in like little Rock, Arkansas.
Speaker 2: With I always tell people, Miname, I'm so grateful to
Speaker 2: my high school theater teacher, Like I am aware enough
Speaker 2: to be like I had the best education and that's
Speaker 2: why I know things because I got to like work
Speaker 2: at a costume shop in high school and know what
Speaker 2: a black box theater is, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like that is also huge, Like some people don't even
Speaker 2: have arts at their high school so I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just like don't know why people don't practice gratitude.
Speaker 2: But yeah, bring it back to George.
Speaker 1: He's great.
Speaker 2: I can't see him as like I only see him
Speaker 2: from Father of the Bride. Even looking at him now
Speaker 2: at his face, I just like see a young little guy,
Speaker 2: like I don't know.
Speaker 1: I know, it's like I gotta watch Scandal that he
Speaker 1: was an assassin, Like that's so wild. But he was
Speaker 1: lovely to talk to and I love that he's just
Speaker 1: reading these fucking books. Yeah book.
Speaker 2: I've done three voiceover auditions that I usually wouldn't do
Speaker 2: because I was like, oh, okay, I want to be
Speaker 2: I like this George.
Speaker 1: I like what George is up to. Oh yeah, voiceover
Speaker 1: is the best I know.
Speaker 2: But my thing is like I'm not going to like
Speaker 2: competing with people that are actually do this, like you
Speaker 2: either have to want me or not, Like I am
Speaker 2: not putting on a voice or not.
Speaker 1: Like it's either you want me or not. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what it is.
Speaker 2: So and I've been specific voice yeah yeah, So I've
Speaker 2: been kind of like neglectful about that, and now because
Speaker 2: of George, I've submitted a bunch.
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm always learning from our guests. You're always yeah,
Speaker 1: You're like keep taking note. You should, like we should
Speaker 1: write a book that's like what we learned from our guests.
Speaker 2: Because I actually think about it all the time. I
Speaker 2: have because I have fit conversations with myself because I'm
Speaker 2: alone most of the time.
Speaker 3: And.
Speaker 2: Like I was saying about favorite guests, and like Kelly Who,
Speaker 2: I still think about all the time.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think about how she like sent out
Speaker 1: those cards car Like people had to freaking hustle so
Speaker 1: hard at the beginning of their careers back in the day,
Speaker 1: and you still do, but like you hustle in a
Speaker 1: different way. You like hustle to get followers.
Speaker 2: Now it feels just like yeah, taking out ads and
Speaker 2: variety and running around and like then like her getting
Speaker 2: the maxim sexy cover and then them being like, no,
Speaker 2: we don't want people to think it's Asian yah, and
Speaker 2: like we want a white person with you, and she
Speaker 2: fought for it, and then her cover was the most
Speaker 2: high selling cover ever in history. And it's just like
Speaker 2: thinking about Kelly Who, and then sorry, thinking about like
Speaker 2: Hudson williams Now and all of this is just like
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's time has gone. It's it's cool
Speaker 2: to see things be better so much as bad or
Speaker 2: not moving. So it's just cool to see that they
Speaker 2: wouldn't even put her on the cover of a magazine.
Speaker 2: And now it's.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, yeah, I think I think about Kelly Who
Speaker 1: a lot. Well, you know I've been thinking about a lot.
Speaker 1: Is Evelyn fucking Nesbit the subject of this true crime
Speaker 1: that we did today, And damn, what a freaking story.
Speaker 1: I mean, fuck so wild and I don't know, like
Speaker 1: it's like I want to do some kind of post mortem.
Speaker 1: Here's what I learned, But it's like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: She was like a fourteen year old model in the
Speaker 1: city with like no one else. You know, you know
Speaker 1: what you learned that is important? Yeah, yes, that's what
Speaker 1: you learn from when like these kinds of satuations after
Speaker 1: bad man but needed them for financial game. I mean
Speaker 1: it's just like any tale about a woman reminds you
Speaker 1: why all women need to be protected at all times. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And like even her own brother was like, I love
Speaker 1: this guy. He sent me to military school because like,
Speaker 1: you know, he doesn't know anybody. He just knows who's
Speaker 1: helping him. Wait, I know I'm late to the game.
Speaker 1: Do you know you know Hassan Piker. Yeah, he's like
Speaker 1: so hot. So well, because Caleb just did his.
Speaker 2: Pods so that's so now he's in my feed because Caleb.
Speaker 2: I'm a Caleb because I'm a Caleb fanatic. And then
Speaker 2: Caleb talked about being on Hassan show, like on less culture,
Speaker 2: so whatever. So now and all his friends are in
Speaker 2: my feed and I'm like, whoa, where's the famous obviously
Speaker 2: well known.
Speaker 1: I got to watch this episode because that sounds like
Speaker 1: a meeting of the minds. Yeah, it was really fun.
Speaker 1: And actually just like I've been watching his onpiker clips
Speaker 1: for a long time, but I just you just realized
Speaker 1: how hot he is. No, no, I just looked him
Speaker 1: up and like got his like found out a little
Speaker 1: bit more about his like history, like that he's like
Speaker 1: this twitch guy and he said some problematic shit in
Speaker 1: the past, but now he's like mostly good and progressive
Speaker 1: and not saying slurs and uh, and he's got good
Speaker 1: people on and I just like whenever he's on like
Speaker 1: Pierce Morgan or whatever, he's just like fucking owning everybody
Speaker 1: and it's very good. He's very good. Yeah, I'm new
Speaker 1: to him. I like it. Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I brought him up. No, hey, you know what, never
Speaker 1: too late to bring up a crush on on the
Speaker 1: old TMU.
Speaker 2: I have a question, not really what are those shirts
Speaker 2: cat like Louis Luis, Like, what's that style?
Speaker 1: Like I would say they're like the Ampers shirts, like,
Speaker 1: because that's what those the Amber sam But like, I
Speaker 1: don't really know what that's called. I guess the first
Speaker 1: company to do that was a design company in Amsterdam
Speaker 1: did it with the Beatles in two thousand and one.
Speaker 1: Somebody made a shirt that's ampersand and ambersand and amber
Speaker 1: sand and amber sand in period. So that's very meta.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get going onto our what would sisterpeg Do,
Speaker 1: which is our weekly segment where we direct you to
Speaker 1: an article, a book, a doc, an organization, something to
Speaker 1: give you more info about what we talked about today.
Speaker 1: And this week, I wanted to just point you guys
Speaker 1: to this short doc on YouTube I found called The
Speaker 1: Tragic Life of Evelyn Nesbitt, the Murder that Shocked America.
Speaker 1: This is a dock on the Stories through Time YouTube channel.
Speaker 1: It's a little under an hour. If you wanted to
Speaker 1: put more faces to the names and get some more
Speaker 1: details over the crime that we covered. You can head
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Speaker 1: will be doing constricted. Wow, old school, old school stuff. Constriction.
Speaker 2: But it's season twenty six, episode four. Also, we didn't
Speaker 2: even talk about Melissa McCarthy. Next week, next week, next week.
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