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Speaker 7: Yeah, Welcome back to day one of the NFL Combine

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Speaker 7: at Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis. Jerry Dulac joining you

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Speaker 7: Steeler tackle Max Starks, Max, always good to see you,

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Speaker 7: my friend.

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Speaker 6: Always good to see YouTube Jar and of course Dale,

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Speaker 6: this is this is the fun part. We get to

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Speaker 6: kick off Underwear Olympics week here here in Indianapolis. Of

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Speaker 6: course we're we're we're wearing jeans and longer pants here.

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Speaker 7: But those guys temporary, temporary for you though temporary for me.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm going I'm going to shorts after today. I've

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Speaker 6: made the executive decision.

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Speaker 7: Max, you were a big part of this combine as

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Speaker 7: a player. What was the anticipation, angst, nervousness, excitement leading

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Speaker 6: So, I mean there's a lot of anxiety because I mean,

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Speaker 7: And I would never refer to you like that, but

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Speaker 6: But but you know, there was a lot because it's like, Okay,

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Speaker 7: You were like Nick Harper Harper on the Internet on

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Speaker 6: So yeah, the biggest thing that comes out of the combine.

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Speaker 7: This is at this sor for your bowl.

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Speaker 6: This is that senior bowl, and they're interviewing you, and

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Speaker 4: Does that happen now?

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Speaker 6: Everybody around him and yes, I might think I'm sending

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I wouldn't be sitting here. Yeah, match, how many

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Speaker 6: No, I because I mean we have infinite resources and

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Speaker 7: That's a lot. So what you do is it an extension?

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Speaker 7: What you do is separate from that I do.

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Speaker 6: What I do is separate from that or an enhancement

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Speaker 7: With all those, you know what. They're like, hey, mactually

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Speaker 7: You know. It's funny. I don't think people well they don't.

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Speaker 7: They just don't comprehend what's involved in terms of quote

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Speaker 6: of these kids play, and I've talked to their ads

437
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Speaker 6: because we get their ads in the booth with us

438
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Speaker 6: for half an hour before these games, so I get

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Speaker 6: to actually drill down on guys that I want to see,

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Speaker 6: and I know who the scouts are that are there

441
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Speaker 6: at every single game, so I get a little bit

442
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Speaker 6: of a different view. So I feel more in touch

443
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Speaker 6: with a lot of these guys when they come through

444
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Speaker 6: because I've had I've had to sit down conversation ahead

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Speaker 6: of time for a lot of these guys and the

446
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Speaker 6: guys who are projected as potential draft picks for their

447
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Speaker 6: team and watch them play and you get to see

448
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Speaker 6: them on play by play analysis. So I feel good

449
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Speaker 6: about where I'm at because I see it from a

450
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Speaker 6: different lens. And I also have that additional, Hey, if

451
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Speaker 6: I like this guy, I'm gonna go ask dig a

452
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Speaker 6: little bit deeper. We got a lot of D Lineman

453
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Speaker 6: coming up here.

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Speaker 7: D Line.

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Speaker 6: Sadly, you hate to say it, D Liman, you usually

456
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Speaker 6: have a little more issue about it. It's a lot

457
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Speaker 6: more things in an offensive lineman, right, offensive lineman. It's like, Hey,

458
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Speaker 6: this guy really is really into woodworking, like you know

459
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Speaker 6: what I'm saying, Like this guy really enjoys cartoons.

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Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 6: This alignment you there's a whole different world you've got

462
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Speaker 6: to deal with with those guys.

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Speaker 7: We're gonna take a break. It's day one of the

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Speaker 7: NFL Combine in Indianapolis. Jerry do lag Dale Lawley and

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Speaker 7: Max Starks will take a break and we're gonna come

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Speaker 7: back with a whole lot more. You're listening to Fox

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Speaker 7: Sports Pittsburgh and Steeler Nation Radio the NFL Combine in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 7: We're we're broadcasting at Radio Row at the Convention Center,

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Speaker 7: but of course it's attached to Lucas Oil Stadium where

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Speaker 7: the drills will take place. Many of the drills that

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Speaker 7: you will see over the next three to four days, yeah,

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Speaker 7: five days, maybe even on the NFL Network Jerry dou

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Speaker 7: Lac along with Dale, Lawley and Max for the next

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Speaker 7: two hours. We will be with you until two pm,

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Speaker 7: and then after that Dale gets another three hour shift.

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Speaker 7: I believe with Max all that Matt Williamson so Dale. Earlier,

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Speaker 7: you know, Omar Khan spoke to a group of Pittsburgh media.

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Speaker 7: He followed that with getting up on the combine here

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Speaker 7: and speaking to the quote national media, and then he

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Speaker 7: joined you here on Stealer Nation Radio on Fox Sports Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 7: And of course the number one thing he was asked

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Speaker 7: about in all three instances was the quarterback situation. And

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Speaker 7: he said, you know when he spoke to us that

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Speaker 7: you know, they've had discussions with both Russell Wilson and

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Speaker 7: Justin Fields. They're both free agents, unrestricted free agents, and

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Speaker 7: you know they kind of want to see how this

487
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Speaker 7: thing is going to evolve. Well, what's it going to take?

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Speaker 7: Who do they want, you know, to be their quarterback?

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Speaker 7: Obviously from that comment that decision has not been made,

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Speaker 7: but he said deciding who that quarterback is going to

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Speaker 7: be is going to impact other areas who they target

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Speaker 7: and free agency, what type of player, and he mentioned

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Speaker 7: especially of course, not surprisingly wide receivers.

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Speaker 8: Absolutely, and you know he even followed up on that

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Speaker 8: when he was on with us in the previous hour.

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Speaker 8: There is like, look at you know, they're two different

497
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Speaker 8: styles of quarterback and so it affects how you build

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Speaker 8: around them, you know, with what you're going to do there.

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Speaker 8: And I think you know what people need to remember

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Speaker 8: about the timeline of last year's They signed Russell Wilson,

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Speaker 8: then Kenny Pickett decided he didn't want to be in

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Speaker 8: Pittsburgh anymore. Then they went and traded for Justin Fields.

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Speaker 8: You know, it wasn't it wasn't a hey, we're going

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Speaker 8: to do both of these things. That wasn't the original plan.

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Speaker 8: The original plan was to be Russell Wilson and Kenny Pickett,

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Speaker 8: you know. So they were fortunate Justin Fields was available,

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Speaker 8: and you know they went out and got him. But

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Speaker 8: you can't close the door to either guy, as he

509
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Speaker 8: can continue to say, we have to leave our options open,

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Speaker 8: and you know, until we have somebody under contract. That includes,

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Speaker 8: you know, exploring potential trades elsewhere. It includes looking at

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Speaker 8: the free agent market, because they want to have somebody

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Speaker 8: in place here.

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Speaker 4: If not by February or March.

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Speaker 8: Twelfth, I should say in the new league year opens

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Speaker 8: soon thereafter, because again it affects everything else.

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Speaker 7: That you do. And and sitting here this time last year, Dale,

518
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Speaker 7: who among us thought Russell Wilson or and or Justin

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Speaker 7: Fields would be the quarterback of the Steelers. That really

520
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Speaker 7: was like the farthest thought really from anyone's mind going

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Speaker 7: to a quarterback, right, and all of a sudden that changed,

522
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Speaker 7: bang bang bang. You know when when they brought in

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Speaker 7: Russell Wilson can he Pickett did not like that. He

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Speaker 7: asked to be traded through a bit of a fit.

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Speaker 7: They traded him. And because they traded him, then they

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Speaker 7: went to Chicago and said bring in Justin Fields and Max.

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Speaker 7: We would have never thought that this time last year, No,

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Speaker 7: we wouldn't.

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Speaker 6: And then that's the other that's the other part about

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Speaker 6: the combine that that we kind of overlooked because we're

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Speaker 6: so focused on the collegiate kids.

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Speaker 7: A lot of the preachers, Mars filth.

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Speaker 4: Isn't that from the pre.

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Speaker 7: Free agency period.

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Speaker 6: This is this is the non tampering We're having a

536
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Speaker 6: conversation type of deal because every agent's here, every owner's here,

537
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Speaker 6: every GM is here, and every head coach is here,

538
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Speaker 6: so you can't help if you run into a guy

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Speaker 6: at kill Roy's or or over at Saint Elmo's, Harry

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Speaker 6: and is he's I'm.

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Speaker 7: Just you're just saying. I'm just saying, just saying.

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Speaker 6: If you walk in and just happens to be somebody

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Speaker 6: sitting at the bar like, hey, I'm just here to

544
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Speaker 6: get the shrimp cocktail, and the guy I'm just here.

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Speaker 7: To get a drink.

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Speaker 8: And that was like, for example, when the quote unquote

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Speaker 8: Trevor Lawrence rumor of a couple of weeks ago could

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Speaker 8: have been something as simple as, first of all, Jacksonville

549
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Speaker 8: didn't have a GM, so yes, who the heck are

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Speaker 8: you talking to?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: And secondly, you know, it may have just been a

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Speaker 8: conversation that somebody had at the Senior Bowl. For example,

554
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Speaker 8: two scouts get together, Oh hey, well, how you doing

555
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Speaker 8: good as a family?

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Speaker 7: Good?

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Speaker 4: What's going on with Trevor Lawrence?

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Speaker 8: And it's your place, you guys, you guys, happy with

559
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Speaker 8: you And now all of a sudden that turns into

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Speaker 8: it dealers are looking you know, yeah, Or.

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Speaker 6: It could be well, if you already have a quarterback,

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Speaker 6: why are you staring at the quarterbacks right practice, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I mean it's just something as simple as that. Like

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Speaker 6: if if Mike Tomlin or Omar cons is behind and

565
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Speaker 6: watches a quarterback throw, you know, saying during seven on seven,

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Speaker 6: it's like it turns out maybe they could be looking

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Speaker 6: at the wide receiver he's throwing to and they're just

568
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Speaker 6: watching to see what the quarterback does. Does it mimic

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Speaker 6: what we do? Like and and that's how it that's

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Speaker 6: how it goes. I mean, you have to imagine the

571
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Speaker 6: Matthew Stafford news right with the rams about allowing him

572
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Speaker 6: to go see what his market value is. Well, guess

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Speaker 6: what those conversations Funny you release that right before the

574
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Speaker 6: combine is happening, where you know everybody's going to be here,

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Speaker 6: and it's like it just it leads to too much speculation.

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Speaker 6: But I mean, our job is, yes, we run in,

577
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Speaker 6: we chase the carrot right at the end of the day.

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Speaker 6: But at the end of the day, some things are

579
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Speaker 6: just non starters and people are looking to make something up. Right,

580
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Speaker 6: this is the business of football season that we're in.

581
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Speaker 6: So every little thing is going to happen, is going

582
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Speaker 6: to lead to any type of conversation and.

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Speaker 7: All what you just referenced Dale. Omar Cohn said, all

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Speaker 7: options are on the table, and that includes potentially exploring

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Speaker 7: something on the outside. When I look who the free

586
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Speaker 7: agent quarterbacks are, I mean, you know, the top one

587
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Speaker 7: for the most part that's available. Everyone wants to say

588
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Speaker 7: Sam Darnold. I don't see that happening. But Matthew Stafford is.

589
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Speaker 7: Steelers have not talked to Matthew Stafford, and Matthew Stafford

590
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Speaker 7: wants to see if he can get more than twenty

591
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Speaker 7: seven million, which is what he's owed. But I don't

592
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Speaker 7: see the Steelers going above that anyhow, And even if

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Speaker 7: they would bring Russell Wilson back, he is looking Russell

594
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Speaker 7: Wilson is not looking at anything more than twenty five

595
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Speaker 7: million annually. I was told so. Would the Steelers go

596
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Speaker 7: up to thirty or something more? Perhaps for Matthew Stafford,

597
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Speaker 7: I don't know. I expect probably some other team to

598
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Speaker 7: sign him. But that is going to be the domino,

599
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Speaker 7: that's going to be the lead domino. When he signs,

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Speaker 7: then that's going to kind of set the market for

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Speaker 7: veteran free agent quarterbacks.

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Speaker 6: That's the ceiling for it, right, It sets the ceiling

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Speaker 6: for those veterans because obviously we saw what a Kirk

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Speaker 6: Cousins did last year and we also saw what happened

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Speaker 6: because of that, So that has knocked down the veteran

606
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Speaker 6: QB market a lot, and so that's one of the things.

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Speaker 6: I think that's that's going to be really interesting. And

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Speaker 6: like you said, Russell's waiting for matt now, so now

609
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Speaker 6: he's in line, and let's just be honest. You know,

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Speaker 6: Matt stafford production versus what Russ's production was, there's a

611
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Speaker 6: big difference. And I know we can argue about whether

612
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Speaker 6: how much a Pro Bowl matters now in this day

613
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Speaker 6: and age when you kind of look at the list

614
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Speaker 6: and obviously what's asked of a Pro Bowl player. This

615
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Speaker 6: isn't a full fledged football game anymore. This is flag

616
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Speaker 6: football and this is dodgeball. So when you say there's

617
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Speaker 6: a difference, what's the difference, I think it's it's in

618
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Speaker 6: the club's favor. I don't think it's in the player's favorite.

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Speaker 7: Oh I thought you meant there was a difference between

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Speaker 7: Is there a different line of demarcation for Matthew Stafford

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Speaker 7: and yeah, what is?

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Speaker 6: I think it's the production and what he's done. You know,

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Speaker 6: playoff wise, So who were talking about which one. Stafford

624
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Speaker 6: has more of the leverage because he shows the Russell

625
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Speaker 6: WI what Russ did right, and also he played the

626
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Speaker 6: entire season. Russ came in a little bit later, and

627
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Speaker 6: then we also saw what the playoffs look like like.

628
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Speaker 6: I mean, he was a couple of plays away from

629
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Speaker 6: beating Philly, who's now the Super Bowl champion. That looks

630
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Speaker 6: a lot different than how we played in the Baltimore

631
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Speaker 6: Ravens game, you know what I'm saying, Like and the

632
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Speaker 6: weapons that you know that he dealt with the first

633
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Speaker 6: month and a half of the season and still kind

634
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Speaker 6: of made it to the position where they're winning the

635
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Speaker 6: division and we had lead pole position and we lost

636
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Speaker 6: it at the end of the season. Like, there's a

637
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Speaker 6: lot of different parallels. So that's why you know, yes,

638
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Speaker 6: Stafford and Russell Wilson were both playoff capable quarterbacks and

639
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Speaker 6: they got Pro Bowl bids, but not they're not all

640
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Speaker 6: the same.

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Speaker 7: Like it's measured very differently, and.

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Speaker 8: That's one thing that I think people are are kind

643
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Speaker 8: of they're right now, I believe six teams that don't

644
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Speaker 8: have their starting quarterback in the league. You get the Jets,

645
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Speaker 8: and the Giants. Yeah, you've got Tennessee. Yeah, you've got Cleveland, Cleveland, Deaf,

646
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Speaker 8: pitt Pittsburgh. And who's the six winner out west?

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Speaker 7: It is well, I mean the Raiders, Raiders.

648
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Speaker 8: Half their Yes, so there's six teams out there. But

649
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Speaker 8: one of those six teams is not like the others. Yeah,

650
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Speaker 8: one actually made the playoffs last year. One has a

651
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Speaker 8: much better roster than those other teams. Those other situations

652
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Speaker 8: are all quote unquote rebuilding situations, and so the Steelers

653
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Speaker 8: do have a little bit of working in their favor

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Speaker 8: in that regard as well.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, they do have the cachet, but it doesn't lead

656
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Speaker 6: to a discount though.

657
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Speaker 7: No, it does not do that.

658
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but it certainly makes them more attractive.

659
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Speaker 7: You expect Matthew Stafford to have more marketability and demand

660
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 7: than Russell Wilson. I think so. But of course Matthew

661
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Speaker 7: Stafford's not a free agent. That have to involve a trade, right.

662
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Speaker 6: You're going to give something up, but you but you

663
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Speaker 6: have you have to give it up, and you have

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Speaker 6: to think about what, you know, what is he walking

665
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Speaker 6: away from it? Also is it lucrative enough to make

666
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Speaker 6: him walk away? You know, because he is comfortable with

667
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 6: what he has in LA. And this is more so

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Speaker 6: the Rams, not Matthew Stafford, kind of like the Cooper

669
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Speaker 6: cup situation. Right, they're saying, Hey, you know, Cooper, we're

670
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Speaker 6: trading you. Hey, matt go see the market and then

671
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Speaker 6: we can have a conversation.

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Speaker 7: Yeah. And I don't get I don't get the sense

673
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Speaker 7: that the Rams are disinterested in Matthew Stafford. I think

674
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Speaker 7: they're actually out of a deference in respect to him,

675
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Speaker 7: saying we don't want you. Yeah, we'll let you go

676
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Speaker 7: do this and you come back and we'll talk. Yeah.

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Speaker 8: But what you don't want to be is that team

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Speaker 8: that sets the market for them exactly. Then you end

679
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Speaker 8: up with egg on your face and you know, so, yeah, left,

680
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Speaker 8: hold your left holding the bags.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 8: It's like, hey, it's very much like the Brandon Ayuk

683
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Speaker 8: situation last year, where I mean, you know, the forty

684
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Speaker 8: nine Ers used basically the Steelers or whoever else was

685
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Speaker 8: involved in that to kind of help set the tone

686
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 8: for their negotiations exactly exactly.

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Speaker 7: I mean.

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Speaker 6: And and that's one of the things you don't want

689
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Speaker 6: to be, that team that, like you said, it's doing

690
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Speaker 6: all of this due diligence and doing all of this

691
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Speaker 6: to make a legitimate offer, only for the Rams to say,

692
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 6: all right, we'll match that.

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Speaker 7: Come on, okay, we're good.

694
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Speaker 6: By the way, you had a no trade clause anyway,

695
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 6: So no harm, no foul.

696
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 7: We're off. Where where do you think this thing leads

697
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 7: the Steeler quarterback situation?

698
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Speaker 6: Steeler quarter What I mean you think? I think I

699
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 6: think one of those two will what would you like

700
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Speaker 6: to see? Well, I'd like to see one one of

701
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Speaker 6: those two, and it's younger of the two, you know

702
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Speaker 6: that I'd like to see back. And then I think

703
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 6: you go and you take one of these guys late

704
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 6: in day two or day three, and you bring that

705
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Speaker 6: and you start to build that roster that way, the

706
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Speaker 6: organic way.

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Speaker 7: You know, am I calling it? Am I calling this?

708
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Speaker 6: Oh it's a stop A lot of people use the

709
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Speaker 6: word stop gap. It's like, no, there's a prove it situation.

710
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Speaker 6: You prove it, just like Gino Smith went out to Seattle, right,

711
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 6: it was a proved type of situation, and then you

712
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 6: can become the starter. I mean, it's not guaranteed that, Oh,

713
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 6: we're just placeholder here until we get a low enough

714
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Speaker 6: draft pick that we can go get one of these

715
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Speaker 6: quarterbacks or waiting for next year's draft. It's no, we're

716
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Speaker 6: giving you a legitimate opportunity. We know you're liked in

717
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 6: the building. Situations were what they were, but now we're

718
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 6: going to start from scratch. But the difference is you

719
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Speaker 6: have a year under your belt in this system, so

720
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Speaker 6: now you understand it a lot better to be able

721
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Speaker 6: to move forward. And then we'll get a young guy

722
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Speaker 6: in here, groom him along and hopefully he's a guy

723
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Speaker 6: that can push, compete or be a be a viable

724
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Speaker 6: number two guy for us, and then we just move

725
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Speaker 6: from there. I mean, that's what I think the ideal

726
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 6: situation is. I think that's how Omar and the scouting

727
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Speaker 6: department's looking at it is. We already got one in here,

728
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Speaker 6: and you need to keep one in here because you

729
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 6: can't full sale clear house again two years in a

730
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Speaker 6: row and then just bring in new pieces because you've

731
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Speaker 6: lost all the goodwill and all the training with Arthur

732
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 6: Smith in this offense, you're and you're taking a step

733
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Speaker 6: star back over.

734
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Speaker 7: Yeah, you're starting back over again. So if we're not

735
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Speaker 7: the Browns, so no, and and and we have to

736
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 7: take a break. But if they would move on from

737
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Speaker 7: Russell Wilson, for example, and bring in Matthew Stafford. Just

738
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Speaker 7: for argument's sake, Justin Fields ain't going to take isn't

739
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Speaker 7: going to stand for that now, not for another year,

740
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Speaker 7: That's what I mean. Now, you run the risk you're

741
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Speaker 7: going to lose both of them if you do, If

742
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Speaker 7: you go outside, you're gonna lose both guys. Yes, is

743
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Speaker 7: my feeling. And that's why I don't think they'll go out. No,

744
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Speaker 7: I don't think they'll go outside either.

745
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Speaker 6: I think one of them is going to stay and

746
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Speaker 6: I think the other one's going to come from the draft.

747
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Speaker 7: That's why. That's why, you know, kind of the word the.

748
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 6: Word play that was used for Omar was we want

749
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Speaker 6: to make sure we have somebody during free agency and

750
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Speaker 6: then move on from there. Now you can go get

751
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Speaker 6: a third string guy, you know, your third emergency quarterback

752
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Speaker 6: in free agency. That's fine. But I believe that number

753
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Speaker 6: two is going to be drafted and number one is

754
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Speaker 6: already on the team.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know about I don't know about number

756
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Speaker 7: two being drafted, but I could see number three being drafted. Typically,

757
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 7: as you guys know, they have two proven quarterbacks yeah,

758
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Speaker 7: one and two. Typically, you know, Charlie Batch, Iron, left Wick, Iron,

759
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 7: left Wick, just go right down the list, you know.

760
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Speaker 7: And so even even this year, you know, having former

761
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Speaker 7: starters in the league as your backup. So I don't

762
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Speaker 7: know that they would get a rookie to be number two,

763
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Speaker 7: but I think unless he's really good.

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Speaker 6: And I think the thing is when you look at

765
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Speaker 6: that second tier, right, you take out cam Ward and

766
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Speaker 6: take out Shador.

767
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Speaker 4: Sanders Tanner shuck all day long.

768
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Speaker 6: Yeah, but I mean you have the Tanner shuck, you

769
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Speaker 6: have the Will Howards, right, you have the Jackson Darts

770
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Speaker 6: of the world. And these guys and they're and they're

771
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Speaker 6: older quarterbacks.

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Speaker 7: Ye. That's the other thing. This is experience.

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Speaker 6: This is this isn't miss Trubisky. You know, one year

774
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 6: starting and then he's now a top draft shit. Yeah,

775
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 6: there's a lot more now with these guys, especially the end.

776
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 6: This is the last year of the COVID guys, so

777
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 6: you're older, more mature quarterbacks. So if you do get

778
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Speaker 6: a guy like a bow Knicks, right, you know that

779
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 6: guy's been here a lot longer and he's going to

780
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Speaker 6: be a more viable option for you.

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Speaker 7: We're gonna take a break. When we come back, Former

782
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Speaker 7: Steeler guard Ramone Foster is going to join us here

783
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 7: from the NFL Combine. Jerry Doulac, along with Dale Lolly

784
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 7: and Max Starts will be back right after this. You're

785
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 7: listening to Fox Sports Pittsburgh and Steeler Nation Radio. Welcome

786
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,959
Speaker 7: back to the NFL Combine in Indianapolis. It's day one.

787
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Speaker 7: This is part of our daily reports all day long

788
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 7: from the NFL Combine. Jerry do like Dale Lawley and

789
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Speaker 7: Max starts with you until two pm. We're joined now

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Speaker 7: by former Steeler guard Ramon Foster, played eleven seasons with

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Speaker 7: the Steelers. A radio guy now in Nashville, Tennessee. Uh

792
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 7: near and dear to your heart of course being a

793
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 7: Tennessee guy. University of Tennessee. How are you, my friend?

794
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 7: Goodness see as always, man.

795
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Speaker 9: I appreciate you guys having me on here so we

796
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 9: love having I like coming to these events Senior Bowl

797
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 9: Combine as I get a chance to see all you guys.

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Speaker 7: Man.

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Speaker 10: Honestly, I genuinely enjoy running past.

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Speaker 7: I'm still a family, so good. I appreciate it. And

801
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 7: you lined on the proper side of Max or not.

802
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,919
Speaker 7: We played beside each other Max, I was right left

803
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 7: guard for a second. You were left guard for a second.

804
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 6: So yes, we are in a line were yeah, yeah, make.

805
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 7: Sure you guys can goof it up well.

806
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 6: And and then Moan has pulled on the inside of

807
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 6: me when he was at right guard, and you just

808
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 6: knew it's like, what trap's coming this way? Okay, make

809
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 6: sure I take an extra footstep exactly exactly, you will

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00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 6: get step.

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Speaker 9: He sent me to Willie Cologne's side over there. He

812
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 9: knew it needed to be roughed up a little bit

813
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 9: as a suprief for one. Will he was a savage.

814
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 9: You go to him.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly, take a little step to the right. Okay. Yeah,

816
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 7: I know your eyes are on the Titans, I'm sure

817
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:19,919
Speaker 7: during the season, but I know you keep your eyes

818
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 7: on what's going on here with the Steelers. And what

819
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 7: do you make of what you see? Where do you think? Where?

820
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 7: What's the next step? Form? Next step is you see?

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Speaker 9: I see the quarterback is number one of course, figuring

822
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 9: out what they're gonna do there. I know Omar khn

823
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 9: saw that said today that he didn't give an answer.

824
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 10: In my opinion, I saw I saw Omar, and I

825
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 10: said Omar.

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00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 9: Him and Burt were together. I said, you really just

827
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 9: gonna give a non answer like that you want to

828
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 9: use both quarterbacks as a veil right here, But I

829
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Speaker 9: get it. But that is the most important part of it.

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Speaker 9: The thing is, the Steelers hasn't been in the spot

831
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Speaker 9: to pick top ten in a very long time. I

832
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Speaker 9: mean the time that they did, you still have been.

833
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Speaker 7: It was true they got at number eleven exactly.

834
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Speaker 9: And the last time you moved up to get Devin Bush,

835
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 9: you didn't need a quarterback at that moment. And that's

836
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 9: the issue that you're running into. And then of course

837
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 9: you speak about, well, they can just move up. This

838
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 9: isn't Madden, you can't. This isn't a video game. There's

839
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,439
Speaker 9: a lot of adsets that move up from twenty one

840
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 9: to the top ten, and you don't want to play

841
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 9: that game right there. But figuring out the quarterback is

842
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,919
Speaker 9: gonna be huge for the squad, just in the sense

843
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 9: of just selling it, settling it like who's your guy.

844
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 9: If it's Russ for the next two three years, cool,

845
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 9: If it's.

846
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 10: Justin Phils for longer than that, even better.

847
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Speaker 9: But it's a matter of getting somebody that autor Smith

848
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 9: feels comfortable with that this locker room and the offensive

849
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 9: line can also feel comfortable with too.

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Speaker 7: That's number one.

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Speaker 9: And secondly is asking the offensive line you know, take

852
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 9: that next step. That's always huge to me is when

853
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 9: you got a good offensive line and you got to

854
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 9: coordinator know he can call anything in the book, because look,

855
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 9: if we want to run it, we can, If we

856
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 9: gotta go deep, we can. And if we just have

857
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 9: to play thinking dunk, let me know what we are

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00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 9: and that's that's gonna be huge on seeing what turns

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00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 9: into and Troy town of Also, just as you know,

860
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 9: to mention the tackles.

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Speaker 7: Did you get to know Arthur at Tennessee? Not a y.

862
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 9: I met him for the first time. I shook his

863
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 9: hand at the combine, Taller than I thought.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, is a solid guy.

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Speaker 9: Yeah that don't try him, is what I'm telling you.

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Speaker 9: Mad at his play calling, say it on the message wards,

867
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 9: don't catch him on the south side. It might be

868
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,720
Speaker 9: your last time coming up to a coach. But author

869
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Speaker 9: has a plan for what he's capable doing. What I

870
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 9: do know is this and his offense having a mobile

871
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 9: quarterback I think matters, which that's not really telling with

872
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 9: Justin or Russ at this point justin a little bit

873
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 9: more mobile, but having a stud wide receiver now getting

874
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 9: George also Pickings to be a guy that if you're

875
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 9: gonna be him, be him all the time. You know

876
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 9: what I'm saying. Finding the number two is gonna be

877
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 9: huge for him. They got the tight ends. Running back

878
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 9: is one of those positions. I hate to say it

879
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 9: this way, but you can always find one, I know,

880
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 9: not just a free agent right now and deciding on what.

881
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 7: They're gonna do there.

882
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 9: If the best years he had in Tennessee was Dereck

883
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 9: Henry AJ Brown with Corey Davis right, Ryan Tannehill with

884
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 9: Taylor Lawan Rodgers, a fo Ben Jones on the offensive line,

885
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 9: Like I'm just naming the guys.

886
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 10: That are part of that core group. And he's also

887
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 10: very heavy tight end centric too. Got those.

888
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 9: So it's a matter of for me, okay o line

889
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 9: take the next step side on the quarterback, and I

890
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 9: think you need one or two more weapons because the

891
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,720
Speaker 9: better Arthur Smith is when he's got those types of guys.

892
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 8: You mentioned the offensive line, and obviously they've drafted five

893
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 8: offensive linemen in the last two years. We didn't get

894
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 8: to see Trey Fileton in last year.

895
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:42,959
Speaker 7: I love him though.

896
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 4: That's what I'm gonna ask you.

897
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 8: If he were in this draft, he might be the

898
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 8: number one tackling this draft easily.

899
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 9: Pittsburgh stole him, like legitimately stole him. Just saw him

900
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:54,720
Speaker 9: around pre.

901
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 7: Draft a little bit last year.

902
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 9: And then when you look at his taate, like, yeah,

903
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 9: he played on the right side, which was his quarterback

904
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 9: blind side. But his ability to kick, get out, be aggressible,

905
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 9: also light on his feet, Max, that is a that

906
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 9: is a heck of a place to be it as

907
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,760
Speaker 9: an offensive lineman. And just to his little body, strong

908
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 9: as ever, having the ability to move side to side,

909
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:19,479
Speaker 9: and he craves to me physicality. So if you're asking

910
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 9: him to run the football, I think that's awesome. But

911
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 9: then when you see him set, you're like, yeah, you

912
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 9: you start can be special.

913
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 10: Barring injuries, which he's just dealt with. I like him.

914
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 9: I wouldn't have bettered the eye if they told me

915
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,720
Speaker 9: he was gonna play left tackle either. I think he's

916
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,399
Speaker 9: that type of athlete. But it's easier sometimes to keep

917
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 9: right right and keep left left. We're gonna see if

918
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 9: Roderick is the one that can make the big step.

919
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 7: And now here's here's my question.

920
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 6: You ramon as a guy who came out of college

921
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 6: as a tackle but major hay and played over a decade,

922
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,959
Speaker 6: played eleven years in the league at guard. If he does,

923
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 6: does he project you to you as a premier guard

924
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 6: as well, because, like you said, the footwork, the ferocity

925
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 6: and just that tenacity. I'm thinking also, if you're in

926
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 6: a run heavy offense and you have those those capabilities

927
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 6: of light on your feet movement, I'm thinking the pools.

928
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 6: I'm thinking getting out of space. Not saying Alan Finnica,

929
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 6: but I am saying you put a big body out there,

930
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 6: like Dirt Dawson right from the center persis you have

931
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 6: an interior guy that could move the way that Troy does.

932
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 6: That screams to me all pro at a guard level.

933
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 6: If you can get him in there, what do you

934
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 6: think about that option as something I look at it.

935
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 9: Like this, he could be Michael Yopidi. I hate to

936
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 9: go culture with him. That's the guy that correlate. So

937
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 9: Michael was bigger. I feel like those but I look

938
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 9: at that, I think you may get more of a pop,

939
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 9: more flair from him at guard because of his athleticism,

940
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 9: because his ability to move well in space, and I

941
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 9: do think he can be a very fine, potentially pro

942
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 9: Bowl tackle too. That's the way I view him. You're

943
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 9: probably gonna get more excitement from him. But because his

944
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 9: t nasty played the position. But again, I see you

945
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 9: know what I'm saying. I see that is not super big,

946
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 9: not super tall. He doesn't tower you like let's say

947
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 9: you Max or Joe Thomas or one of those types

948
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:15,760
Speaker 9: of guys.

949
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 7: You don't get long range, you get long arms. What

950
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 7: is he six three six four four? About sixty four? Please? Yeah?

951
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 7: If that? Yeah, yeah, it's like right like that. Yeah,

952
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 7: that's the number they always give you, give give you

953
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 7: the five.

954
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 9: I can't have exactly, But I look at this and say,

955
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 9: I do like the interior that they've set up. Maybe

956
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 9: one of the guards you gotta figure out what you're

957
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 9: gonna do with them. But in totality, that group is

958
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 9: set especially it's so hard to find starting right tackles

959
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 9: and left tackles in this league. If you trust that

960
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 9: he's got the arm left, he's got the footwork, and

961
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 9: he also got the smarts to play out on the edge.

962
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 9: The athleticism is there, The power is there and the

963
00:42:58,800 --> 00:42:59,439
Speaker 9: drive is there.

964
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 7: You know, I will I will tell you that when

965
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 7: they drafted him last year, they thought, if they had to,

966
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 7: they would play him at guard if they were gonna

967
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 7: leave Frederick Jones at right tackle and Dan Moore left.

968
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 7: And they were completely comfortable with that idea when they

969
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 7: drafted him. He was totally capable of being that guard.

970
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 6: And and the early parts of camp watching him, I

971
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 6: was like, you know, I love I love our guards,

972
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 6: and they're they're nice veteran guys, but I was like,

973
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 6: who right guard with and Broderick Jones? The amount of

974
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 6: savagery that would have gone on on that right side

975
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 6: would have been colossal.

976
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 9: Things that those two if you did pair Troy and

977
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 9: Project together.

978
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 7: Because is Isaac up this year too? Is the contract expiring?

979
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 7: He goes through this one more year? James James James,

980
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 7: and they're gonna let go and d Yeah, I saw

981
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 7: that today he'll be a rich man. Yeah, listened with

982
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 7: starting left tackle in the league for four years.

983
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 9: Only one guy gotten them, really and that that's that's

984
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 9: the guy himself in Cleveland, Miles Garrett, right.

985
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:03,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, against everybody.

986
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's gott he's gotten everybody, so man walking with

987
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 6: a sling blade out, I mean, And there was something

988
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 6: about when he came up, what was that the Halloween

989
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 6: game we played and became as a grim Reaper and

990
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 6: had all the all the quarterback bodies.

991
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 7: Man.

992
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 9: But with that being said, though, here's the way I

993
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 9: feel about Troy and Project situation.

994
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 7: I've kind of said this before from time to time.

995
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 9: I think to get the better version of Project, you

996
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 9: might have to put him in a competition with Troy,

997
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 9: or at least if they played beside one another, Like

998
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 9: there are certain guys that you play with that you

999
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 9: bring your level up too.

1000
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 7: You know what, I'll just tell you real quickly too.

1001
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 7: And and this came from Mike Tom and I don't

1002
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 7: know if you ever he's ever said it publicly. He

1003
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 7: felt that with Cam and stuff on to it, yea onto,

1004
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 7: it made Cam better you his skill And then we.

1005
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 9: Started talking about the young guy to it. Then here's

1006
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 9: Cam with his legs like no, I'm still here, yeah,

1007
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 9: I man, you you know this about how coach he

1008
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 9: facilitates these type of stuff. I tell people all the time.

1009
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 9: For as many as y'all want to trash him and

1010
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 9: want them fired, like the idea that that guy knows

1011
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 9: how to pick and prod and use that cattle taser

1012
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 9: on you, that cattle prod on you, like, hey, look

1013
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 9: look what he's doing. Like in order to get the

1014
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 9: best out of guy's facilitation of like, competition means a lot.

1015
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 9: I'm telling all of those things that he said, and

1016
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 9: that to me, if they had a cap dan Or

1017
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 9: said they were gonna say, if they can sign them,

1018
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 9: put Troy and him in the competition.

1019
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,240
Speaker 4: I guaran that was their plan last year in camp.

1020
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 9: And then he hurt, you get the best version of project.

1021
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 9: And that's also to him too, like and this ain't

1022
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 9: no like slide.

1023
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 7: I don't.

1024
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 9: The guy's way more athletic than I ever was. He's

1025
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 9: a first round draft pick. He checks every box that

1026
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 9: you want. But you watch his tape and you see

1027
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 9: the oozing to finish, Like if you grab somebody by

1028
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 9: their throat and just take them to the ground one

1029
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 9: or two times, the perception of you changes at that point.

1030
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 9: Absolutely everything changes about him and the it's a matter

1031
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 9: of growing up. I know he's super young when he

1032
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 9: came into the league too, But if you put Troy, potentially,

1033
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 9: if you did go that route at guard next to him.

1034
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:11,879
Speaker 9: I feel like Troy, from what we've seen from him,

1035
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 9: is gonna drag him. Marquis used to say all the time,

1036
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 9: you're gonna lead a horse of water. You can't make

1037
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 9: him drink right, know what else? He also said, but

1038
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 9: you can drown him.

1039
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 7: Get this nurse one way or another.

1040
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 10: Just shout out to my guy, Marquis.

1041
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 7: I've said that locker room could use somebody like now

1042
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 7: you see why we are the way we were right.

1043
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 9: That was everybody's been maxim brought us the same way,

1044
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 9: like you had to earn your stripes. And it wasn't

1045
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 9: just showing up and uh, it's he'll get there if

1046
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 9: he wants it. And it is what Dan Moore I

1047
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 9: hope gets this free agency.

1048
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 6: Yeah absolutely, I mean well, and the thing is is

1049
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 6: that when you're talking about leadership, because the offense has

1050
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 6: been in such flux and you have such younger guys,

1051
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 6: nobody's really come out as the leader. And that's why

1052
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 6: you kind of needed Russell Wilson last year, right, because

1053
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 6: you had to bring in that veteran presence. And yes,

1054
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 6: you had a van jempionship, but there was no older guy.

1055
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:15,439
Speaker 6: There was no hinz.

1056
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 7: Ward, No, no big presence.

1057
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 6: There was no big presence at the skill position, respectfully.

1058
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 6: And then of course for Naji and Pat as your

1059
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,280
Speaker 6: next two, those aren't talkers.

1060
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 7: They're making them do Yeah, you're making them do it.

1061
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 6: It's not naturally a part of their personality.

1062
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 7: I do think that's a part of it too.

1063
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 9: Yeah, being under the quarterback for a long time spoiled

1064
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 9: the team and the fans and everything about it, and

1065
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,720
Speaker 9: there's nothing wrong with it. You get to your franchise quarterback,

1066
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 9: you got them for eighteen almost twenty years.

1067
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 7: If they're good right and right now.

1068
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 9: Without that, that's why you make that change to Russ potentially,

1069
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 9: and you want the quarterback to be the guy or

1070
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 9: your bigs.

1071
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 7: You guys.

1072
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 9: When we came in, like Ben was still growing up,

1073
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 9: but like the old lines, it's like y'all, here come

1074
00:47:58,400 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 9: these dudes again.

1075
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 7: All right, everybody rank and foul right now?

1076
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 6: So that Alan Fannic, I mean, who was talking over Allen,

1077
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 6: you know. And then if it wasn't Allan, it was Jerome.

1078
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 6: If it wasn't Jerome, it was Heines, Right. There was

1079
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 6: so many other levels to it that Ben just kind

1080
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 6: of fit into the process.

1081
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, always enjoy seeing you my friends.

1082
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1083
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 7: Ramone Foster, former Steeler guard. There has been our guest.

1084
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 7: We're gonna take a break, We're gonna come back with

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