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Speaker 1: where is that movie? It's incredible? Uh. You can get

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, where do people go to find information

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Speaker 1: or you can go to Jamie loftus is Innocent dot com. Incredible. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: see you there everybody you don Oh and uh, one

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Speaker 1: I had to say. On the dodcast, the questions asked

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the Bechtel Cast. My name is Caitlin Darante.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jamie Loftus. WHOA Sorry, Okay, I don't know something's

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Speaker 1: going on with me. My body has been really reacting

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, now I'm it's contagious. So also, I'm

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Speaker 1: end of the book, or maybe it's in the second sequel.

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00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 1: They like have children together. They have children and and

420
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: in the book she starts a school for boys boys. Yeah,

421
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 1: you're like, what that doesn't even make sense with the character. Yeah,

422
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 1: it's just she's not like for anyone who wants to

423
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: learn if you're a boy, a white boy. But yeah, no,

424
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: Joe's kind of a queer icon. Yeah in many ways. Yes, um,

425
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 1: but I know so. I think Fredrick in this movie

426
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: is her beard. Maybe not sure. Anyway, they get together,

427
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: and this is also when Joe has she's written about

428
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: her life and her sisters and submitted it and Freedrick's

429
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,199
Speaker 1: like he helps her get it published and then he

430
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: like drops off a galley of the book or something

431
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, and she's like, oh hey, let's be

432
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: it again. He's like, didn't you marry someone though, And

433
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: she's like, no, I'm not married. He's like, okay, let's kiss.

434
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 1: And then that is the end of the movie. He's

435
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: like walking away with a little bindle, Like this is

436
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: rather dramatic. It's nothing literally, like that's all he has.

437
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: My hands are empty except for my little bendle and

438
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: and the love in my heart Caitlin. I mean, weddings

439
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: aren't for Joe, but guess who they are for Meg,

440
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Speaker 1: Meg and eventually Amy as well. Which brings me to

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Speaker 1: let's let's get back to the Little Women, shall we.

489
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Speaker 1: I just had to get that out of my system

490
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: and now we can talk about Joe. Okay, let's do it. Okay,

491
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: So what a treat? Where to start? Where to start? Indeed,

492
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: should we start with a little context on this story?

493
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: I think that's a good idea, And Caitlin, I know

494
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: you have some context as well. So I didn't know

495
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: a lot about the history of the writing of this book,

496
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: or about Louise am Alcott as a person, but it's

497
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: all very interesting. There's a lot going on. So this

498
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: is auto fiction basically, like Louise my Alcoot grew up

499
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: in Conquered with three sisters. I mean, the father stuff

500
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: is kind of written out of little women. The father

501
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: stuff in Louise ma Alcott's life is bananas. It's a lot, um.

502
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: But she has three sisters. One of them died at

503
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: twenty two, not from uh what scarlett fever. No from

504
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: What is speculated now is that she had severe anxiety

505
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: and starved herself to death. There was like it was

506
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: very dark and very sad. Uh, which has stuff to

507
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: do with the father. So unfortunate. Okay, So the father

508
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: who Louisa May Alcott stands for her entire life, she

509
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: never really denounces him. She admires him a lot. They

510
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: were very close. And Louisa May Alcott died two days

511
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: after her dad passed and they had like the same birthday.

512
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: It was a whole lot of stuff. But her her

513
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: dad was Transcendentalist, which was a movement around this time,

514
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: hyper religious, and it was like a lot of very

515
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: very famous writers were associated with it. Henry David Thurreau

516
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: was involved. Um, who is the other Ralph Waldo Emerson

517
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: is involved. All these famous New England writers of the

518
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: time time were her mentors as she was growing up,

519
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: But it was her dad was a zealot for sure.

520
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: He did some good things, he like invented new teaching techniques,

521
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: but he also forced veganism on his family, which is

522
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: you know, in theory great Civil War times really not

523
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: called your family is malnourished and they were like starving. Um.

524
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: So he you know, I was on the right track,

525
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,719
Speaker 1: but maybe went a little too hard and I'll remember

526
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: his family. Uh. He also didn't like and this is

527
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: kind of alluded to in a scene that's not in

528
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: the book. He wouldn't allow them to wear wool or silk,

529
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: basically any basicthing but linen. I think, yeah, so, which

530
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: is also hard because they didn't have a lot of

531
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: money and so they were only allowed to wear one fabric,

532
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: so they also didn't really have anything to wear in

533
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: addition to really having nothing to eat. So he was

534
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: he was an intense Scott. He would leave for years

535
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: at a time and leave her mother to raise the

536
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: for little women on her own, which I think is

537
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: what is supposed to be maybe happening in in little women.

538
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: But it's like the dead would just bail for long

539
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: amounts of time to try to start up a religious

540
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: camp and would blow all the family's money putting it

541
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: into these religious sites, and then he wouldn't have any

542
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: money to feed or clothe his family. And even if

543
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: he didn't, he wouldn't So it was just it was

544
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: not a good situation. They were also abolitionists. They were

545
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: that's rights was like, which is great. Uh, they were

546
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: they were abolitionists. And their house was a stop on

547
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: the underground railroad, so they like Harbord fleeing slaves to

548
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: try to get them to they were I mean, they

549
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: were vegan in they were that it killed them. They

550
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: were so ok it nearly killed it was so yeah. No,

551
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: they weren't fucking around. They were uh and and um

552
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: the and and like her, I mean, her father was

553
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: always very supportive of her writing career. Her mother was

554
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: one of the first paid social workers in the state

555
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: of Massachusetts. Ever, so a good but bizarre family dynamic.

556
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: So basically Louise may Alcott is Joe Um in the books,

557
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: which tracks on everything down to um. Well, I mean

558
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: it's got you know, queer theory is in its infancy.

559
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: It might it might still not, it might even be born,

560
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: not even be born um at the time of this.

561
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: But Louise May Alcott, unlike Joe, who she's sort of

562
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: due to I think publishing notes, was told like, you

563
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: gotta get Joe married. You gotta Also the fans, like

564
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: wrote in after the first book, that she had to

565
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: marry Laurie. They were like, make Joe get married, and

566
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 1: and Louise Malcott was like, well, I like, I guess

567
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,439
Speaker 1: that she had to for whatever reason, she had to

568
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 1: get Joe married, but she refused to give people the

569
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: satisfaction of making it Laurie, which rules exactly um. But

570
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: but she never got married. There's some good quotes from her.

571
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,919
Speaker 1: She she identified as a life lung spinster um. And

572
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: she said this was in an interview with Louise Chandler

573
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: Moulton we all know and loves. She said quote, I

574
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 1: am more than half persuaded that I'm a man's soul

575
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: put by some freak of nature into a woman's body,

576
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: because I have fallen in love with so many pretty

577
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: girls and never wants the least bit with any man.

578
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 1: So it's it's mired in you know, the vernacular of

579
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: the time, but she was like fairly open about it.

580
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 1: She had she had an affair with a young Polish

581
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 1: man who I guess she based Laurie on at one point.

582
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: But there's not a ton known about her personal life

583
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: except that she never got married, never had a desire to,

584
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: and she really did not like writing the women. It

585
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: was the thing she was the least proud of. Um,

586
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: sort of like Joe, which I thought was interesting, where

587
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: Joe was writing all these kind of like waggy and

588
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: fantasy stories, which Louisa may Alcott also did under fake names,

589
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: and Joe, is you know enough? Men are like just

590
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,720
Speaker 1: write down your like, just right now, what happened? Your

591
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: sister died right right about that, And I think a

592
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: similar suggestion was made to Louisa may Alcott and then

593
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: I ended up being this gigantic thing. Um. But but

594
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: she was never really passionate about writing about herself. She

595
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: just wanted to write about the stuff that wanted to

596
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: write about. Yeah, I think that that's the primer on

597
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: covers what I had to all Right, Yeah, she's she's

598
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: a very interesting person. I wish that we knew more

599
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 1: about her personal life. She was she was a little

600
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: bit cranky. Uh, she didn't care for her fans, which

601
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: is which is a mood. You know, that's a that's

602
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: definitely a decision. But you know, very talented, ardent, feminist, abolitionist,

603
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: on on the right side of history with pretty much

604
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: every social issue you could be on the right side

605
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: at that time. So we love her, we love Oh wait,

606
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: oh wait. The last thing I wanted to say was,

607
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: for some reason, they did document her last words, and

608
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: very funny. She died of some complications student meningitis, and

609
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: her last words were is it not meningitis? And those

610
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: are the last and then she just mid diagnosis or something.

611
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: I don't know I was. I just thought that that

612
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 1: was very funny. I was like, wow, move over, Steve Jobs.

613
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: You know, is it not meningitis? Has logged in? Incredible,

614
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: very cool. So, because Joe is so closely modeled after

615
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: the author, let's maybe start with Joe talking about Joe.

616
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 1: I love I love Joe too, but um, one of

617
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: the things that I noticed on my first watch of

618
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: this movie and then obviously again watching it through the

619
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: lens for the podcast, is I was like, oh, there

620
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: there are all these feminist monologues that again don't really

621
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: take place in the book, but there's like the foundations

622
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: of them are there. And then the screenwriter, Robbins Swigered

623
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: just kind of modernized what Louisa may Alcott was doing.

624
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: And so we get different bits of dialogue or monologues

625
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: where I think the first one is, um, Marmie is

626
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: talking about corsets and just sort of like the energy

627
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: levels of young women, and she says, uh, it is

628
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: my opinion that young girls are no different than boys

629
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: in their need for exertion. Feminine weakness and fainting spells

630
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: are the direct result of our confining young girls to

631
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 1: the house bent over their need to work in restrictive corsets.

632
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: And then mag noted kill joys, Like, Mom, was that necessary?

633
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: Like shut up? And then and then John Brooke's right

634
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: there and he's talking about Lori, and he's one hopes

635
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: that your girls would be a gentle thing influence, but

636
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: instead they're like getting him all riled off. And then

637
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: and She's like okay, John, Like she basically was like,

638
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: shut up, you dumb John. Sucks man, John, Like I

639
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: couldn't sucks too. I don't think Lorie is great. I

640
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: think Lorie at least has redeeming qualities. Want name one

641
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: thing that's good about John? Literally not nothing, and he's

642
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: way worse than the books too. In the books, he

643
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 1: like yells at Meg right after she has twins because

644
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: he's like, you're not paying attention to me, and then

645
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: Meg apologizes for two whole chapters. So you know, the

646
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: men don't fare well in this though, like that, there's

647
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: no we don't have any great examples of men in

648
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,240
Speaker 1: this in the in the movie for sure, at least,

649
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: I mean maybe the closest thing is their father, who

650
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: barely gets screen time words, which is very old to

651
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: be a soldier. I'm am I wrong? Is that by

652
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: our standards? Yes? But I think in like Civil War

653
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: era they would just take anybody could have only been thirty.

654
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: We have no idea, like literally like that's just a

655
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: very grizzled yeah, and he said it sounds like he's

656
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: like modeled after Louis and Alcott's father, minus all the

657
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: cult stuff. But truly, though none of the guys are great.

658
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: Great isn't great, and even Friedrich is not great. They're

659
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 1: not great? Right, Yeah? Okay, So let me talk about

660
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 1: Lori for a moment because I like the fans always

661
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: like I just didn't Christian, but it was so cute.

662
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: That's what I can't. That's I mean, this is what's

663
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: the only right. But he is a character. Here's a

664
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: few examples of why he pretty much sucks. Um. He

665
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: shows up at that debutante party that Meg is at,

666
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: and she's like kind of surprised to see him. She's

667
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: been like dolled up by her rich friends, and she

668
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: covers her chest a little bit, and then he says like,

669
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: oh no, don't cover up. There might be one or

670
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: two gentlemen here who haven't seen your charm. Yes, And

671
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 1: then she was like having this is the only time

672
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: we make modest yeah, never has fun. I'm like, this

673
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: is the first time she's ever had fun in your room? Right?

674
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 1: And she expresses like she's like I like the way

675
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: I look like, I like what's and he and then

676
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: he makes fun of horror like truly yeah, yeah, he's

677
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 1: like a yeah, he's an asshole. And then what about

678
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: about telling a child he's going to kiss her? I

679
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: mean not now, I mean it was there was she

680
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: was a child, she was like seven or something. That

681
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: reminded me of I wrote down Taylor Lautner, Oh, and

682
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: Twilight when he's like, I'm going to make out with

683
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: this baby one day and you're like, oh, dear God,

684
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 1: why why are we bringing put to our brain? Yeah? Ever?

685
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: Why you? And it's supposed to be romantic, but if

686
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: he imprinted on Nasty King of not good kissing situations

687
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 1: in the movie, he loves yes, yes, yes, uh. He

688
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: loves to surprise kiss because he first does it. He

689
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: only he does it with Joe when he proposes to

690
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 1: her after she's been like I'm not really into this

691
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 1: and and he's like he kisses her and then she

692
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: pulls away, and then later he tries to kiss Amy.

693
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: He like pulls the little veil off of her face.

694
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm reminded of a promise I made to

695
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: kiss you when you were a child. And then Taylor,

696
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: she like backs away and starts she like changes the

697
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: subject so he doesn't get to kiss her, but he

698
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: like very hard tries to surprise kiss her, and then

699
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: right after that he insults her painting. He's like, your

700
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: paintings are mediocre copies of another man's genius. And then

701
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: she's like, what are you in a band? And he's

702
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: not really. And then and then he turns himself around

703
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: and he's like, all right, fine, I'll go to London

704
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: and make myself worthy of you. And then the next

705
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: thing we know they're married. And it's just like, I

706
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: hate how that plays out. I guess it's expanded on

707
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: more in the book, but it's all but I don't remember. Yeah.

708
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: I also, I didn't get to that part. Didn't get there.

709
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: It's not even worth rehashing, I don't. I mean, it

710
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: was a choice to have him marry Amy. I'm like,

711
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: couldn't they couldn't. He just remained friends with the family. Also,

712
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: Louise May Alcott's youngest sister was a painter, and she

713
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,439
Speaker 1: was like a sort of famous painter of her time.

714
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: She's like, yeah, sort of famous female painter. Good for her. Yeah,

715
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: at a time where you know, women weren't really artists

716
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: or authors. Women didn't so you know the fact that

717
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 1: you get these characters who have like these creative interests

718
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,399
Speaker 1: in our and pursue them, and that comes with some

719
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: level of privilege of being able to pursue these interests.

720
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: But even so, like it was like okay, like writing

721
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 1: and it was kind of reserved for men at the time,

722
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 1: and in Joe's case, I mean, Joe doesn't really get

723
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: help from anybody, and like starting her writer writing career,

724
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: I think he gets like the Parisian bump or wherever

725
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,959
Speaker 1: the fun you wanted to study painting, But like Joe

726
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: does it all by herself, Like she doesn't get help

727
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: from anybody at until Frederick comes along and he's like

728
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: with my editor friend right, and he's like, you have

729
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 1: to change everything you write about um, But I don't count.

730
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: The second half of the book is canon, Okay, So

731
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: she doesn't get any help right up until that point. Yes,

732
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: she's she's doing it on her own. I don't count.

733
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 1: Frederick is not a part of my head canon. Well,

734
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: I am going to talk about him a little bit.

735
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. Well we should talk about well we should,

736
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 1: we should talk about him. Yeah, complicated. The main thing

737
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: for me is that, like she has not expressed really

738
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: any romantic interest in any man up to this point,

739
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 1: and you know, anyone, and then suddenly this guy who's

740
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: like twenty or thirty years older than her comes along.

741
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 1: I think the actor is at least twenty years older

742
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 1: than when a writer. It's a little alarming to look

743
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: at uh, not to shame anyone who you know, and

744
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: this was this was standard of the time. Much older

745
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 1: men were marrying much younger Christian Bill. But I was

746
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: just like, Okay, She's like this whole time has been

747
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: like no, I'm not going to go and be someone's wife,

748
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: and like, no, I'm I care about my writing. That's

749
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: the only pursuit I care about. And then Friedrich comes

750
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: along and because he likes books, she's like, well, I

751
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: guess we can kiss. And I mean it was like

752
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: the cultural the cultural influence of the time in terms

753
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: of like Louisa may Alcott had no choice, her hand

754
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: was forced in terms of like they all had to

755
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 1: get married at the end because that wasn't even reflective

756
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: of her life when everything else is pretty much beat

757
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: for beat the same. But it's like she had to

758
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: like marry off her own avatar to some random which

759
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 1: doesn't seem very and she like she very vocally did

760
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: not want to marry Joe, have Joe be married, but

761
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: the fans and the publishers alike were like, no, she's

762
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 1: got to be married, big moment for marriage. Um, the

763
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 1: only I mean, it's kind of like I don't know,

764
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 1: I've I've read a lot of like criticism in either

765
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: direction on Joe's I mean, there's a ton written about

766
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: Joe and people are like, oh, I wonder if, like

767
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 1: greta girl is going to change that or leave that

768
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 1: out or like something Alige differently. But it's hard because

769
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 1: it's like if you it's like what you said, Kitl

770
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: and I was like, you're never really led to believe

771
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: that this is something that Joe wants out of life,

772
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: So it rings a little hollow, and all of a

773
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 1: sudden she does want it. But then also it's like

774
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 1: she's nineteen, and I think that it is nice to have.

775
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: Like what I like about her story arc with Frederick

776
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: included is that she you know, gets something that not

777
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: a lot of women of this time got, which is

778
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 1: like a relationship that is on her own terms and

779
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: like not having. And then from a class perspective, her

780
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: turning down Alor was a huge deal because that would

781
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: have had her and her entire family set for life.

782
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: So it was like not a small choice for her

783
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,919
Speaker 1: to be like, I am going to marry for love.

784
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: So there is from like from having it all perspective

785
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: of like she waited, I mean who it's her life.

786
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: She's also not real, but like she waited until she

787
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: had at least a footing in her career, and she

788
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,479
Speaker 1: was like pursuing what she wanted to pursue and took

789
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: the chances that she was wanting to take before choosing

790
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: someone to be in a relationship with, which I thought

791
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 1: is nice in it in its way where it's like

792
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: pie this guy. Sure, she becomes the most famous writer

793
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 1: ever and is traveling the world, but in terms of

794
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: like this time, it is kind of cool to be like, oh,

795
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: like and she found some of that. She really loves

796
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 1: who next her? But but aside from that, I mean,

797
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 1: he supports her career and there you know, it's like,

798
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's a complicated one. She just definitely

799
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: did not marry for money, which is which is he

800
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: isn't French exactly, he has nothing. So that's you know,

801
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: that's of that time. That's you know, that's that would

802
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: be a crazy thing, right all right and right away

803
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: to turn on all right. Yeah, and the fact that

804
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: no one gives her ship for it to in her

805
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: family because it's like, but it does, I mean in

806
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 1: the movie it does. There is that moment where it's

807
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, she's like tying up blue ends,

808
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 1: like she like, you know, it was okay, you're all married,

809
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 1: you've got kids, she's dead, Okay, I'm gonna and then

810
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: she basically like okay, I gotta do something, and that

811
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 1: she just chased him. I feel like it was a

812
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 1: little like, well I gotta do something kind of thing. Yes,

813
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: someone author, but all right, I'm still nothing if I'm

814
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: not married is what the world tells her. So she's like,

815
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: all right, let's yeah. I was surprised, based on the

816
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: more feminist choices that are made in the adaptation, that

817
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 1: they also wouldn't have chose to leave Joe like single

818
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: and pursuing her writing, but ended the movie a little

819
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: earlier because it was like the movie even ends on

820
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,720
Speaker 1: the shot of her getting like saying she'll get married,

821
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: and you're like, that wasn't the point of all this,

822
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: and that's what you want to leave us on, right,

823
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: we want to care about this bendle guy. Honestly to me,

824
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: like I had forgotten that aspect of the whole story.

825
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: I forgot that. I forgot that, and then when it

826
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 1: was I was like, oh, yes, she does end up me.

827
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: She does end up marrying, you know, which is very unbacked,

828
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: isn't it, Like I mean it's I mean, it's well,

829
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: I have I continue to have complicated feelings about this,

830
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: where it's like a romantic relationship with a man doesn't

831
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 1: make you not feminist if you're like a straight lady. Yes, Jamie,

832
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: that means for you, but like to me, it's more

833
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: about everything that had been previously established about the Joe

834
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: character gets sold out. I feel when she ends up

835
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: with it is it is, and it's worse than the

836
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: book to where we were told in the book that

837
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: it's Frederick's dream to run a school for boys, and

838
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: then Joe then uses her inheritance to manifest her husband's

839
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 1: dream and then does all that work. I think I'm

840
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 1: more upset just by hearing you talk about like the

841
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 1: actual truth story of of the book, like about she

842
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: must marry. That makes me the saddest and not even

843
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: you know, the movie or any adaptation. It's just so

844
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: that's what it was, especially because Louis doesn't get like

845
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: never married and never want and wanted, Fine, I'll marry her.

846
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 1: And that sucks, Yeah, yeah, it sucks, and and and

847
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: Louisa may Alcott all these things at the end that

848
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: we're having issues with. She also she also like it

849
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: seems like her hand was very much forced. So another

850
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 1: thing that carried from the book that I'm kind of

851
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 1: glad didn't make it to the movie. I think that

852
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 1: as far as adapting this book, the Screamer does a

853
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 1: really good job because she, like, like you were saying,

854
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: she articulates feminist thoughts that were kind of like, you know,

855
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: more embryos in the Louise may Alcott book and just

856
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: like states them in a way that doesn't feel jarring

857
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: or like out of time or anything. But in the

858
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: in the book, Um, I think that the reason we're

859
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 1: meant to believe that Joe gives up her dreams and

860
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 1: decides I'm going to get married all very quickly is

861
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: because of Beth's death. Um. And there's this little passage

862
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: that I found that I found very depressing. It goes

863
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 1: like this quote, Joe laid her wearied head down on

864
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: Beth's little brown hood, which no one had thought of

865
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: moving from the table where she left it. It must

866
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: have possessed some magic, for the submissive spirit of its

867
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 1: gentle owner seemed to enter into Joe. So Beth's ghost

868
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: made Joe want to get married to give up, which

869
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,919
Speaker 1: was like, hello, Jamie, that happens to me all the time.

870
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:43,720
Speaker 1: You just taken some submissive spirits. Submissive spirit really didn't

871
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 1: sit well. Also, that's kind of mean to Beth too.

872
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: You're like, can we just can we just say this?

873
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: And this is just out of nowhere. But it irked

874
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: me the entire time about how just everyone kept calling

875
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: Joe ugly like I couldn't, Like I was, that's your

876
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: only beauty when she got out her hair herself ugly

877
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: and like, I mean, we can and I know it's

878
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: a movie and blah blah, but we can all admit

879
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: one on a writer is anything but ugly. She is

880
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: a beautiful I mean, a little gammen feminine. Just I mean,

881
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:20,280
Speaker 1: I can't every actor that's ever played is Joe is traditional,

882
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: e mentionally beautiful, which is kind of frustrating because I

883
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: think that, I mean, I think that's like a Hollywood

884
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: thing where because it would be neat if it was, like,

885
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: you know, less than typically beautiful woman playing it right

886
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: right now at least, And Luisa may Alcott was not

887
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: a conventionally beautiful woman and she's writing this part about

888
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: herself and it's just like, well, then cast that, but

889
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: people can anyway, but that just just jarring to hear it. Whatever.

890
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: And it's just like because they really made that, They've

891
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: really made that a part of were they tried to

892
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: make that a part of her character, you know what

893
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: I mean. It's like that's what she had overcome physical

894
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: unattracted this and people aren't buying. Yeah, we got to

895
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: take another quick break, but we'll come right back, and

896
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: we're back, and we're there's still so much. Well, continuing

897
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 1: on some of the feminist sentiments in the movie, I

898
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 1: have a few more. Amy gets in trouble at school

899
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: with the whole Lime debacle and not she doesn't have

900
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:31,760
Speaker 1: twenty four limes scooters in her desk. I mean maybe

901
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: that's what happened in it was modernized. Yeah, So Amy's

902
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: teacher strikes Amy on the hands to punish her for

903
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: having all these lines. Everyone's in an uproar, and then

904
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:49,720
Speaker 1: Amy says Mr Davis said it's as useful to educate

905
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: a woman as it is to educate a female cat.

906
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: And Joe is like, I'm going to fucking strangle that dude,

907
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 1: she's great, and then Marmie writes a letter to the

908
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:03,919
Speaker 1: tacher withdrawing Amy from the school. So it's it's like,

909
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: my daughters will educate themselves or be homeschooled rather than

910
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: be taught by this, Like misogynist creep is the implication here, right, Yeah,

911
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: that was not that was a welt. That was yes

912
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,760
Speaker 1: on tiny cares and dunce, how dare you. Then there's

913
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: a conversation kind of just about like the double standards

914
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 1: for men and women and they're sort of like perceptions

915
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: by society. Where this is after Meg has gone to

916
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: that coming out party of her friend. I think Sally

917
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: Moffatt is the name, and Joe is like, I don't

918
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,839
Speaker 1: like people speculating about Lori and Meg as if they

919
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: are characters in some play, and Marmie is like, when

920
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: nothing provokes speculation more than the sight of a woman

921
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 1: enjoying herself. And there's like a really nice conversation that

922
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 1: follows that, and then um, Meg is like, why is

923
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 1: it that Lori made do Izzy likes and flirt and

924
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: tipple champagne, And Marmie's like, and no one thinks the

925
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 1: less of him? Well, I suppose for one practical reason,

926
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,439
Speaker 1: Laurie is a man, and as such he may vote,

927
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: and hold property and pursue any profession he pleases, and

928
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 1: so he is not so easily demeaned. And then they

929
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: start talking about like, well, you know, who cares what

930
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: people think? And and Meg is like, well, I kind

931
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: of do, and then Marmie says, I only care what

932
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,240
Speaker 1: you think of yourself if you feel your value lies

933
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: and being merely decorative. I fear that someday you might

934
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: find yourself believing that's all you really are. Time erodes

935
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: all such beauty, but what it cannot diminish is the

936
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 1: wonderful workings of your mind. So she's like saying, like,

937
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 1: don't just value yourself for how you look like it's

938
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,720
Speaker 1: your it's your brain and your mind and your thoughts

939
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: and feelings that are important. I really and I like

940
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 1: that that conversation that Meg was given, that line of

941
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: dialogue being like, well but wait, and then that like

942
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, I I like how distinct they are

943
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: from each other, and that like no one's perspective is

944
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: treated as lesser than or and no one's really punished

945
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: by the narrative for their perspective. Except of course Beth,

946
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 1: who is an angel who has killed Um and then

947
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:16,959
Speaker 1: her spirit goes into goes into a hat at Joe

948
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,760
Speaker 1: puts on, and then she you know, torpedoes her narrative.

949
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 1: But I thought that that scene was really cool. Uh.

950
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: And then there's one other major scene like this that

951
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 1: I took note of, which is like the should women vote?

952
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: Scene where a couple of times Joe is in New York.

953
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: There's like all these guys at this like a boarding

954
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: house that she's living in, and they're talking about should

955
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 1: women be able to vote? In Some guys like stinky right,

956
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 1: literally this pile of stinky dudes being like, should we

957
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 1: let women vote? What do you think? And You're like,

958
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: oh god, they probably have some influence. Yeah, And so

959
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: the conversation goes like this, Um, some guy is like

960
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:00,040
Speaker 1: a constitution that denies the basic rights of citizenship to

961
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 1: women in black people? Uh. And another guy responds, well,

962
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: they just passed the fifteenth Amendment. They can vote. The

963
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: other guy responds, black men can vote. Someone else says like,

964
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 1: a lady has no need of suffrage if she has

965
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: a husband. And then a guy's like, if women are

966
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: a moral force, shouldn't they be able to like govern,

967
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: preach and testifying court. And then meanwhile, Joe is like

968
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: trying to speak up, but all these like men are

969
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 1: talking loudly and not giving her any space even though

970
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:30,439
Speaker 1: she's like the only woman in the room who could

971
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: actually like offer, which is an experience all the time,

972
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: still every day. Um. And then freederch is like, hey, Joe,

973
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: what do you have to say? And she says, I

974
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 1: find it poor logic to say that because women are good,

975
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: women should vote. Men do not vote because they are good.

976
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: They vote because they are male. And women should vote

977
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: not because they are angels and men are animals, but

978
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: because we are human beings and citizens of this country.

979
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 1: So those were just a few examples of like the

980
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: feminist sentiments that I was surprised were in this movie.

981
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 1: Again based were it's supposed to be sat at the

982
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 1: time that it's supposed to be said, it's pretty, But

983
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: we read that it's because Robin Swikerd, the screenwriter who

984
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: adapted this. This is from an Atlantic article entitled The

985
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: Lie of Little Women from um. Sophie Gilbert writes, quote

986
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 1: Robin Swykerd, who wrote the screenplay, created virtually every line

987
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: of dialogue from scratch, saying that she had imagined what

988
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: Alcott might have written had she been quote freed of

989
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,919
Speaker 1: the cultural restraints of her time. The results swerves from

990
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 1: the usual homie scene to offer a politically engaged drama

991
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 1: in which Marmie and Joe advocate for women's suffrage and

992
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: none of the marches were silk because it's produced using

993
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: slavery and child labor, males are Males are relegated to

994
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: the margins. The March household as a matriarchy presided over

995
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: by a few feminist and reformist crusader who emphasizes the

996
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 1: importance of education and moral character rather than interior decoration. Uh.

997
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: And then Swygert even names Marmi Abigail, which is Alcott's

998
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: mother's name end quote. Yes, uh yeah, I and she

999
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: does I think, like yeah, Robin Swiker does a really really,

1000
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 1: really good job. And Gillian Armstrong as well, who I

1001
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 1: didn't know a ton about. This is I think her

1002
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: most famous movie that she made, her most mainstream movie,

1003
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: So she's a famous Australian director. She also does a

1004
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: ton of UM documentaries UM and a lot of her

1005
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 1: recent work as documentaries. Her other most famous movie was

1006
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: also adapted from an old as book UH called My

1007
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: Brilliant Career, So that was in It was the first

1008
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: Australian feature length film to be directed by a woman

1009
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 1: for forty six years. Uh. So she's like a pioneer

1010
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 1: in in uh film as well. So I think between

1011
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 1: like Robin swaker It and Julian I'm strong, they they

1012
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: got it unlock. Yeah, and it's like really cool that

1013
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: all that stuff, you know, made it in and didn't

1014
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: get like noted out of the movie, like I got

1015
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 1: noted out of the book right right exactly. And then

1016
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 1: I mean another thing I just really like both about

1017
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 1: the book and the movie is that like and this

1018
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 1: kind of manifests in a in a weird way that

1019
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 1: you were talking about earlier, Deborah, but like Joe is

1020
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: described as like being boyish and not conventionally attractive, but

1021
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 1: she was often saying things like oh, like I wish

1022
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 1: I wish I were a boy and like and that

1023
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 1: can be you know, read a couple of different ways

1024
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 1: where it's like, okay, like is this is this part

1025
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 1: of maybe her possible queer identity or is she saying

1026
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 1: something to the effect of like if I were a boy,

1027
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 1: I would have like the freedoms and men have at

1028
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 1: this time. But you know, I just I like the

1029
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: like you see them dressing up as men several times.

1030
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 1: You know, she's she's often just described as a tomboy,

1031
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 1: and I thought that was cool, especially for a story

1032
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:11,439
Speaker 1: that takes place in a time when gender rules were

1033
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: so rigid, yeah, even more than they are now. So

1034
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 1: I kind of like, yeah, I like that. The movie

1035
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 1: doesn't you know, like hamper itself down by getting more

1036
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 1: specific with any of it either, just like opens it

1037
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 1: up to more interpretations and like readings and makes it

1038
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 1: more accessible to more people. So it's good. I'm training

1039
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: the Oath and that scene, I mean, it's just worth

1040
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,959
Speaker 1: shouting out like that, the scene where Joe turns down

1041
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: Laurie is like so good. Yeah, it's so good. I

1042
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 1: love to watch it. I went back and I just

1043
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 1: googled that scene and other adaptations of it because it's

1044
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 1: just great to watch and like for like reasons we've

1045
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 1: already talked about, but that seemed just like it sucks

1046
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 1: me up. It's so exciting too, because that really happens

1047
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 1: in any rom com, any sort of romantic movie. But

1048
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 1: to have it just mean again, I know it's but

1049
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 1: just disadaptation obviously, but just having the woman saying no

1050
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 1: to the many, changing her mind at the end and

1051
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 1: showing up in the rain, you know, and being like,

1052
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 1: you see it was always like that never. It's just

1053
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 1: it's pretty impressive. It's really cool. She was like, I

1054
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: think of you as a brother, don't kiss me, like

1055
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 1: and then and truly means it, And You're just like,

1056
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: that's no, meant no, right, because normally in stories like

1057
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 1: this you would see like the Lori character like wearing

1058
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: her down until she finally submits. Instead he does that

1059
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 1: to Amy, but at least with Joe, she's like she

1060
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 1: probably really wasn't mad about the Amy she actually wanted.

1061
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 1: I would be, well, I think, well, I mean, I

1062
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: guess it's not you know, in the days of texting,

1063
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 1: but like it would be weird to find out and

1064
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 1: because I married your sister, oh, I mean the pigeon

1065
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 1: never made it or whatever it was, to finding out

1066
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 1: on Instagram, it would be really seriously, tell me, are

1067
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 1: you kidding? I wasn't even invited. I'm literally my best friend.

1068
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 1: That would be crazy, That would be a little crazy,

1069
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 1: And I guess it would be strange. Although I do

1070
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 1: you know anybody in your life that is married their

1071
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 1: best friend's sister? I do know someone. I think that's

1072
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 1: just a little weird because I don't know. But like,

1073
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 1: I think we're possessive over our friends, aren't we a little?

1074
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 1: I think a little bit. Yeah, I don't my best

1075
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 1: friend out if I get Yeah, like if my like

1076
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 1: cousin married like someone I did in high school, I'd

1077
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 1: be like, you'd still be necessary. Really, I'm not mad.

1078
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 1: There's still be that there's a slight factor. It's just like,

1079
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 1: right a minute, Like for me, it's more about like

1080
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 1: what do they have in commons? Like why are they sudden?

1081
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:45,439
Speaker 1: Why is he suddenly like? Because that is we could

1082
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 1: say that that's Lorie's sort of redeeming characteristic that he

1083
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:53,479
Speaker 1: did like Joe so much because you know, not yes

1084
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 1: exactly for the right reasons, that they just really truly

1085
01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: got each other and had fun and challenged each other.

1086
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 1: There's a great joke during that scene when he's proposing.

1087
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 1: She's like, no, we have such horrible tempers. He's like, no,

1088
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 1: I can keep mine under control unless provoked. I laughed

1089
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 1: out loud. But then you know, then he marries the

1090
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 1: pretty little girl like he's supposed to and Amy and

1091
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 1: Amy also it's like I think she's sort of given

1092
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 1: some like first of all, she's kind of dunked on,

1093
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 1: I think unfairly by him several times. You've brought up

1094
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 1: a couple of them. But there's also Amy is about

1095
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 1: to marry someone else, and it does seem to be

1096
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 1: largely for financial reason, but like she mentioned several times,

1097
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 1: which you like, dude, it's like eighteens, like seventy and

1098
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 1: like this, but he wants to use that is one

1099
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 1: of his Lorie did like I could give you everything

1100
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 1: you wanted, so the same thing, and I just I

1101
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 1: don't know, just like shaming her so that she into

1102
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 1: dating him. Was like, well, this is like this criticism

1103
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 1: is not coming from a place of caring. It's coming

1104
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 1: from a place of horny nous and the and and

1105
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 1: Amy like I feel like she's like sort of allowed

1106
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 1: to stand up for herself. But then she ends up

1107
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 1: marrying him anyways, where he's like, oh, well, your family

1108
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 1: is so chill, and she's like, well, I don't want

1109
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 1: to marry you because you think my family's chill. And

1110
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 1: then he's like no, no, no, I like you. I

1111
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 1: like you. I want to march, but I'll take it anyway.

1112
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 1: I'll get anywhere I can get in there. I'll marry death,

1113
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 1: dead body death, march. Um. Can we talk about Beth briefly? Beth?

1114
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:38,440
Speaker 1: I mean there's unfortunately we don't know that much like Piano,

1115
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 1: she likes. Yes, she's very I think Beth is interesting.

1116
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:44,120
Speaker 1: I mean, there's been a lot of different reads on

1117
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 1: Beth as well, which are like, I think some of

1118
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 1: them have some strength to them, but for the most part,

1119
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 1: it seems like Beth and um, Louise and Mailcott sister

1120
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 1: who passed away at twenty two was literally named Elizabeth

1121
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 1: and so she just called her Bath instead of Lizzie

1122
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 1: in the book. So it's like pretty one to one

1123
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 1: with how that character was adapted. But the way that

1124
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 1: she's adapted in the movies I think is like kind

1125
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 1: of worth discussing because she is such a like delicate feminine,

1126
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 1: Like I think all the traditional feminine values of this

1127
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 1: time are all represented in bad see not heard very

1128
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 1: way and just that sort of like yeah, kind of

1129
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 1: forgotten almost if you will, right, which is like kind

1130
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 1: of I mean, she's surrounded by all these very strong personalities,

1131
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 1: and she's like more reticent, she shy, she doesn't like

1132
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 1: the spotlight and a and all this stuff, and she's

1133
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 1: I think, kind of presented as like this feminine ideal

1134
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 1: in a way. But then she dies. But it's like,

1135
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 1: but it it was interesting of I was reading some

1136
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 1: like takes on the character of like that's a statement

1137
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:53,440
Speaker 1: from Louis mal from the writers saying that, like this

1138
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 1: type of femininity can't uphold for much longer or it's

1139
01:06:57,160 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 1: growing less relevant. And these characters that are very strong

1140
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:05,440
Speaker 1: willed and challenging status quo is constantly like Joe and

1141
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:09,439
Speaker 1: like Marmie, are the ones that endure. And then the

1142
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 1: sort of shrinking violet person exercise the ones that get

1143
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 1: to run around a bit, right right, which Marmie says herself,

1144
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 1: let the girls outside, Like what are we thinking? She

1145
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 1: us fifteen from the movie starts, and then four years later, yeah, yeah,

1146
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 1: she's very young, and I mean and but then it's

1147
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 1: like you have to take it with a grain of salt,

1148
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 1: because Louisa mail cut sister died very tragically at a

1149
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 1: similar age, and it truly might just be a one

1150
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 1: to one, but it is interesting. I think that she

1151
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 1: is the least developed character of the Little Women, and

1152
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 1: I mean I think probably that and maybe the scene

1153
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 1: with Lori and Joe are like the two most remembered

1154
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 1: things about this movie is of course turns on the

1155
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:02,320
Speaker 1: proposal and that died absolutely and the hair hair off

1156
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 1: it's another one, but cutting your hair off to which

1157
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 1: has nothing doing anything but like um, But yeah, I

1158
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, there's not really that much to

1159
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: say about Beth, unfortunately, but it is. It is interesting

1160
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 1: the way that she's pretty consistently represented. I don't think

1161
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 1: that there's really any made many different takes on Clordine

1162
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:25,200
Speaker 1: isn't given much to do except to I mean, it

1163
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:27,679
Speaker 1: must have been a chill shoot for her. She's mostly

1164
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 1: lame and just having Susan Sarandon hold her hand, You're like, yeah,

1165
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 1: I get, where's the check? That's great? Yeah. I wonder

1166
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:40,559
Speaker 1: if this new adaptation, the Greta Gerwig one will maybe

1167
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 1: give us playing good question Eliza Scanlon, who I am

1168
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:50,320
Speaker 1: not familiar with here, but she plays Beth. Emma Watson's Meg,

1169
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 1: so Sharonan is Joe and Florence Pugh is Amy. But

1170
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 1: so that's Beth. We talked a little bit about Amy.

1171
01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:04,120
Speaker 1: Meg is interesting. Jill Loftis my mother famously played Meg

1172
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 1: in the Brocton High School adaptation of Little Women. My

1173
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:15,559
Speaker 1: mom Laurie played Lorie. No, that's not kid Um. I

1174
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:19,080
Speaker 1: like Meg, and I like what her character kind of

1175
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:23,599
Speaker 1: represents in the story because they like it's so, you know, rare,

1176
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 1: especially in Louise may Alcot's time for women to be

1177
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 1: the protagonist of the story at all, much less a

1178
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:33,480
Speaker 1: lot of different types of women who are constantly disagreeing

1179
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 1: because their siblings, but they also have like a very

1180
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 1: strong bond they love each other. And Meg, I think,

1181
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:44,679
Speaker 1: is like the representation in this very headstrong family of

1182
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 1: someone who craves something a little more traditional. And I

1183
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 1: thought it was cool to see, even though like when

1184
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 1: I was little, I was like Meg go somewhere too.

1185
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:57,799
Speaker 1: But but it's like she she's clear about what she wants.

1186
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:00,920
Speaker 1: She wants a married life, she wants a family, and

1187
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:03,120
Speaker 1: no one gives her a ship for it. They're just

1188
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 1: like Marmie's very supportive. She's just like, well, if that's

1189
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:07,600
Speaker 1: what you want, you know, do whatever you want. And

1190
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 1: then when she's like, I want to marry this loser.

1191
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 1: Marmie's like, I guess, whatever your your choice, like a

1192
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 1: loser who says um over the mysteries of female life

1193
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 1: there is drawn a veil best left undisturbed, basically meaning

1194
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 1: I don't know what the women do, and I don't

1195
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 1: I don't want to find it, and I'm not going

1196
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 1: to look it up. So I mean, there's a lot

1197
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:35,559
Speaker 1: of talk in this movie, especially the first half, before

1198
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 1: any of the women, the little women are married, about

1199
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:42,719
Speaker 1: getting married. There's all this talk about who they might marry.

1200
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 1: Should you marry a rich man or is it okay

1201
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 1: to marry a poor man? Will anyone ever want to

1202
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 1: marry any of them? Will there be suitors for them?

1203
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 1: At one point on March big fan of Aunt March,

1204
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 1: love her, She's basically at March. Yeah. I love that

1205
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 1: scene when Laurie's like, I think they're in France later

1206
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 1: on and he's like, oh, Aunt March, you're looking well,

1207
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:06,840
Speaker 1: and she's like, I wish I could say the same,

1208
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:12,960
Speaker 1: like you look like shitri he does. He has like

1209
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 1: a shitty little beer and that he's got the like

1210
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 1: you know, but the undone sort of tuxedo, which is

1211
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:20,920
Speaker 1: a classic drunk, Yeah, he moved and trying the band,

1212
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 1: and you're like, Aunt March is not having it. But

1213
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 1: Aunt March is saying pretty early on in the movie

1214
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:31,599
Speaker 1: to Marmy the one hope this family has is for

1215
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:34,519
Speaker 1: Meg to marry well. And then Joe comes in and

1216
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:37,599
Speaker 1: Aunt March is like, and this one's entirely ruined her

1217
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 1: disposition with books, so, you know, maybe not the feminist

1218
01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 1: icon we were all hoping for. But later Marmy and

1219
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:49,759
Speaker 1: Meg are talking about Meg marrying John Brooke and she's

1220
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 1: and you know, Marmy saying like, oh, you know, I

1221
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 1: would rather Meg that you marry for love and be

1222
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:57,639
Speaker 1: a poor man's wife than Mary for riches and lose

1223
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 1: your self respect. So which I like. I like them.

1224
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 1: I like the message of it. I just was the

1225
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 1: poor man she chose wasn't a asshole. And then Joe

1226
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 1: chimes in and says, well, why must we marry it all?

1227
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 1: And it's like cool that you have that perspective from

1228
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 1: a female character in this like nineteenth century story. But

1229
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 1: then she goes and marries Frederick for no reason. It's frustrating,

1230
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:28,200
Speaker 1: but I mean, I'm happy for Meg, but there the

1231
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:31,639
Speaker 1: I mean there's just I have a small I hate

1232
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 1: John's character so much, and he's so much worse in

1233
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 1: the book. I have just a quick pull quote. So

1234
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:41,360
Speaker 1: this happens right after Meg gives birth. Right, she just

1235
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 1: put her underwear back on after giving birth to and

1236
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 1: then do you were? Meg's like, Marmy, I don't know

1237
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 1: how you did it four times? And then John's like, well,

1238
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:56,760
Speaker 1: she didn't do it twice at once, Like shut up?

1239
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 1: So annoying, but okay. So Mega is very recently given birth,

1240
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 1: and John is mad because he is not getting as

1241
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:10,599
Speaker 1: much attention as literal babies. So John yells, quote, where's

1242
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 1: the beef and vegetables I sent home? And the pudding

1243
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:16,280
Speaker 1: you promised? Alcott wrote that John was a mild man,

1244
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:18,760
Speaker 1: but he was human, explaining that a man can't be

1245
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:23,800
Speaker 1: expected to conduct himself properly when he's hungry. Um, let's

1246
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 1: see there. Here's here's another passage quote. The poor man

1247
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:30,680
Speaker 1: was very uncomfortable, for the children had bereft him of

1248
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,760
Speaker 1: his wife. Home was merely a nursery, and the perpetual

1249
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 1: hushing made him feel like a brutal intruder whenever he

1250
01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 1: entered the secret precincts of baby dumb um so, and

1251
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:43,760
Speaker 1: I guess like Alcott ends up being very sympathetic to

1252
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 1: John of like, well, of course he's yelling at her.

1253
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 1: She's breastfeeding two children all the time. You're like, that's

1254
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 1: that's a great reason to not yell at her. She's

1255
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 1: literally so busy. Um. But I don't, I don't know,

1256
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:00,840
Speaker 1: I get. Yeah, the men the milk care in this

1257
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:05,760
Speaker 1: movie are either not good role models or just basically

1258
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:09,559
Speaker 1: absent from the story, which is kind of right. I mean,

1259
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 1: I didn't need more men around in this movie. Sure,

1260
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:17,760
Speaker 1: And like Friedrich, I wish had if he had kind

1261
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 1: of taken it upon himself to be maybe like a

1262
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:24,240
Speaker 1: mentor to Joe and been like, let me help lift

1263
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 1: you up as a like woman being a writer. But

1264
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:30,799
Speaker 1: the fact that he's like, I don't like these stories.

1265
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:35,519
Speaker 1: You should write different stories, and right, I felt because

1266
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 1: I totally forgot everything that happened with Friedrich. And so

1267
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 1: the first time when he criticizes her, and she's like

1268
01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 1: very taken it back and it's like that this is

1269
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 1: my life's work, and he like immediately apologizes and it's

1270
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:47,439
Speaker 1: like I'm sorry that was out of line. I shouldn't

1271
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 1: have said that. I'm like, Okay, I guess, let's see

1272
01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 1: where this goes. And then she sort of becomes receptive

1273
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:55,519
Speaker 1: to dating him after he apologizes to her, but then

1274
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:59,559
Speaker 1: he does it again and and it's like that's kind

1275
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:03,400
Speaker 1: of so an adaptation change that the screenwriter makes in

1276
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 1: this movie is that she has Joe leave New York

1277
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:10,480
Speaker 1: shortly after she like cuts him off after he criticizes

1278
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:13,280
Speaker 1: her the second time and doubles down in the book,

1279
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:18,080
Speaker 1: Joe takes it very personally and stops writing. Uh, you know,

1280
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 1: she like stops writing for a long time and then

1281
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:23,760
Speaker 1: only starts writing again when she's writing her memoirs, when

1282
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 1: she starts writing Little Women. Basically, Um, So, the movie,

1283
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 1: I mean tries to do some damage control around that,

1284
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:33,720
Speaker 1: but it's still just like there's also I think an

1285
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:38,360
Speaker 1: attempt to kind of have the perspective of the movie

1286
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:41,920
Speaker 1: to agree with Friedrich in the sense that like we

1287
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:46,759
Speaker 1: see Joe not necessarily really wanting to write these stories

1288
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:50,400
Speaker 1: but doing it because like that's what the newspapers want

1289
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:56,640
Speaker 1: or like that's what I think, and and suggesting that

1290
01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:59,680
Speaker 1: she wishes she could write something else, but like no

1291
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 1: one wants to hear girls stories or whatever, but like

1292
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like I've had male people men uh

1293
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 1: that's what they're called to tell me. Like when I

1294
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:13,519
Speaker 1: was in grad school, like I had male professors be

1295
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 1: like because I was writing like action comedies, and they're like,

1296
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 1: but Caitlin, like are you sure you want to write these?

1297
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:23,760
Speaker 1: Like why don't you write something more personal? And I

1298
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 1: was like, I don't want to, Like I'm writing the

1299
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:28,519
Speaker 1: things that I want to write, and it's to me

1300
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:31,760
Speaker 1: like it felt to me like that's what Joe was doing.

1301
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:34,000
Speaker 1: Like she was writing the things that she wanted to write,

1302
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:37,839
Speaker 1: and then at the persuasion of this like male mentor

1303
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 1: of hers, she's like, Okay, fine, I'll write about yeah,

1304
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:45,439
Speaker 1: which really bugged me. But that's another thing directly pulled

1305
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:49,720
Speaker 1: from Alcott's life is like she was and she continued

1306
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:54,080
Speaker 1: to write her fantasy stories. I'm not many of which

1307
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:56,600
Speaker 1: I think are still in existence, but the stuff she

1308
01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 1: was actually passionate about, and I think she's kind of

1309
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:01,920
Speaker 1: used a little women into like bankroll her being able

1310
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:03,479
Speaker 1: to do stuff she actually wanted to do, but she

1311
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 1: still had to write it under an assumed name, which

1312
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 1: Joe also does she writes under a male name, Louisa

1313
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:15,040
Speaker 1: did as well. It's just like God, what a mess mess? Uh?

1314
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:20,120
Speaker 1: Does anyone have any other final thoughts? Um? I think

1315
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:22,720
Speaker 1: that an adaptation of Little Women for a story that

1316
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:26,800
Speaker 1: takes place literally during the Civil War should not have

1317
01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:32,720
Speaker 1: one thousand white people yet seems like a very specific

1318
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 1: and bizarre omission that any more modern adaptation should have included.

1319
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:40,280
Speaker 1: I mean, kind of, let's see what this the next

1320
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 1: one is. I mean, you know, I was like, credit

1321
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 1: card doesn't have a great track record white people, but

1322
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 1: let's let's let's see. Let's see. That reminds me of

1323
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:54,480
Speaker 1: when we covered The Beguiled, that story that completely omits

1324
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:58,000
Speaker 1: a black character who is in the novel and then

1325
01:17:58,160 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 1: and in the first movement and then the first move

1326
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:03,599
Speaker 1: V and then Sofia Coppola chooses to because she is

1327
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:06,400
Speaker 1: not black and doesn't understand how to write black characters,

1328
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:11,840
Speaker 1: decides to complete omit that character. Yes, I felt that

1329
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:16,600
Speaker 1: to where, especially because, like al Caught, her parents were abolitionists,

1330
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 1: there were slaves fleeing to freedom passing through their house.

1331
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:25,519
Speaker 1: In fact, I read a story that she found one

1332
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:29,599
Speaker 1: such person, like hiding in an unused oven in her

1333
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 1: house when she was like seven years old, so she

1334
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:36,679
Speaker 1: would have had interactions with black people and the fact

1335
01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 1: that they're omitted from the book, and then I also

1336
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 1: not included in any adaptation. I very much understand why

1337
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:45,599
Speaker 1: that would be omitted from the book. I think that

1338
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:48,719
Speaker 1: that would be very very hard to get published. Um,

1339
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 1: in the time that she read it. I don't understand

1340
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:56,080
Speaker 1: why it hasn't been included in future adaptations because it's basically,

1341
01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 1: uh biopic with different names. So it's like, if these

1342
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:01,840
Speaker 1: things were happening and we're a big part and she's

1343
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:06,120
Speaker 1: from an abolitionist family, like include that in a meaningful way,

1344
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 1: like it is not disloyal to the source material, but

1345
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:13,759
Speaker 1: it's literally right there. Um, So that's yeah. It's always

1346
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:15,559
Speaker 1: weird to see a movie about the Civil War that

1347
01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 1: only has white people in it. And I think that

1348
01:19:19,240 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 1: was my last thing. Yes, my last thing is that

1349
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:30,360
Speaker 1: the March family has many cats. Little son my cats

1350
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 1: started mowing. Yeah, there's a there's little kittens, there's a

1351
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:38,160
Speaker 1: few adult cats. There's just and just a reminder to

1352
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:40,760
Speaker 1: everyone out there that cats do have eight nipples and

1353
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:45,360
Speaker 1: that's cat facts. With Caitlin and this household has dozens

1354
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 1: and nipples living under one roof, one enormous roof, because

1355
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 1: again they lived a huge house. The I love that narrative.

1356
01:19:57,600 --> 01:19:59,720
Speaker 1: You're just like, we're so I mean, and it's like,

1357
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:02,559
Speaker 1: but if they include the actual Louisa may alcots out,

1358
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:04,560
Speaker 1: they're like, well, our dad's making us be vegan, but

1359
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 1: we only have meat, so we're starving. The last thing

1360
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 1: I wanted to say it was about adaptation stuff where

1361
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:15,160
Speaker 1: I think that, like, this is like the best adaptation

1362
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:17,920
Speaker 1: of this that I've seen, But there's also a list

1363
01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 1: in the New Republic of just like other ways that

1364
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:25,960
Speaker 1: the source material has been interpreted in very specific times.

1365
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:31,800
Speaker 1: And my favorite stupid one is in THEE. I don't

1366
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 1: remember this, but this was like post war big capitalism boom, consume, consume, consume,

1367
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:42,280
Speaker 1: And so they add in a little women's shopping spree

1368
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:46,120
Speaker 1: scene where the Marchin sisters get a little bit of

1369
01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 1: coin and they go to town because women be a

1370
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:54,920
Speaker 1: shopping They get Aunt march just like writes them a

1371
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:57,880
Speaker 1: check and they're like, let's go shopping. Like and then

1372
01:20:57,960 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 1: just which is a very stu I just I want

1373
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:03,800
Speaker 1: to see that scene. Yes, it's so out of place.

1374
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:07,200
Speaker 1: I want to see it. It's so extremely Yeah, I

1375
01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 1: think that's all I had. Yeah, no one else I

1376
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:17,599
Speaker 1: think it. No, that's good, will do it? Yeah? Well

1377
01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:22,120
Speaker 1: does the movie pass the back to Tista? Does? Yeah?

1378
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:24,439
Speaker 1: They do talk about men a lot. They do talk

1379
01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:26,880
Speaker 1: about men a lot, but a lot of daddy talk,

1380
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:30,880
Speaker 1: a lott of LORI talk heavily male, you know, dominated

1381
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:36,400
Speaker 1: in no one's conversation, not meningitis. That should be men

1382
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:41,800
Speaker 1: men more like yeah, more more like little women. Technically

1383
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:46,040
Speaker 1: it does pass the women right right, think about it.

1384
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, there are many scenes where you know, they're

1385
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:55,320
Speaker 1: talking about hair and dresses and you know, pretty traditionally

1386
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:58,960
Speaker 1: feminine things. But the baldest women is in charge. Rule works.

1387
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:02,720
Speaker 1: But then she was back out again. Yes, well she y.

1388
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:05,040
Speaker 1: I also like that she didn't keep that upkeep I

1389
01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:07,519
Speaker 1: mean that day, so she wasn't going for a trim

1390
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 1: every eight week. She had to grow back out. She

1391
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:11,760
Speaker 1: also like that she got sad for a minute and

1392
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:14,439
Speaker 1: then she That was really funny because they're like, are

1393
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:16,920
Speaker 1: you because that was like when Beth goes up to her,

1394
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:19,439
Speaker 1: it's like, are you sad? Because daddy got injured in

1395
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 1: the war. She's like, no, my hair, and then the

1396
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:24,840
Speaker 1: next day she was like, actually, looks nice. I have

1397
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:31,000
Speaker 1: cried after so many haircuts. I also like that Beth

1398
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:33,320
Speaker 1: starts laughing. I was like, yeah, we don't care that

1399
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:38,479
Speaker 1: dad got injured in the war. Oh gosh, um, So

1400
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:42,200
Speaker 1: let's write it on our nipple scale to five nipples.

1401
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:44,920
Speaker 1: Based on the representation of women, I think I'd give

1402
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:47,439
Speaker 1: this like a three and a half or four, maybe

1403
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:50,719
Speaker 1: even because I don't even know how much we actually

1404
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:53,400
Speaker 1: talked about this during the discussion, but it is a

1405
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 1: movie where almost all the main characters are women, very

1406
01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:02,560
Speaker 1: female driven story. Women are the focus. Women's stories and

1407
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:06,560
Speaker 1: characters and their growths and arcs like that is the

1408
01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:11,240
Speaker 1: core of the film. The fact that you get these

1409
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:17,240
Speaker 1: feminist sentiments sprinkled throughout that. I mean, definitely progressive for

1410
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:20,320
Speaker 1: her story set in Civil War era, and then even

1411
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 1: progressive for something from ninety four like expecting that really

1412
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:31,680
Speaker 1: And while I feel things kind of fall apart by

1413
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:35,120
Speaker 1: the end where the focus does become more on the

1414
01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 1: relationship that these little women have with men, and especially

1415
01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:43,760
Speaker 1: the Joe character, I feel being sold out because she

1416
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:47,040
Speaker 1: had previously been established as someone who's like, no, I'm

1417
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:49,000
Speaker 1: not really interested in being a wife. I'm not really

1418
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 1: interested in being married. I just want to pursue my writing.

1419
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:56,120
Speaker 1: And then Friedrich comes along and she's like, well, even

1420
01:23:56,160 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 1: though you made me change everything I write about, we

1421
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:03,320
Speaker 1: should maybe end up together. I didn't like that. But overall,

1422
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:07,360
Speaker 1: I really like this movie, and I like what it's

1423
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 1: trying to do, and I think it is generally executed

1424
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:13,960
Speaker 1: pretty well. Just stay for a few little beats that

1425
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:16,720
Speaker 1: I wasn't too crazy about. But yeah, overall, I'll give

1426
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:21,280
Speaker 1: it a three point seven. I will give one nipple

1427
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:26,559
Speaker 1: to Aunt March, I will give one to Marmie, one

1428
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:30,120
Speaker 1: to Joe, and I'll give my three quarters of a

1429
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:36,360
Speaker 1: nipple to the little cute, little orange Katie Cat. I'm

1430
01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:39,600
Speaker 1: gonna I think three and a half. Yeah. I like

1431
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:41,679
Speaker 1: this movie, so I feel like this is the best

1432
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:45,200
Speaker 1: adaptation so far. I hope that, like Greta Garroway kind

1433
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:47,799
Speaker 1: of keeps pushing it. I mean, based on the trailer alone,

1434
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:50,200
Speaker 1: I feel like we're going to see quite a bit

1435
01:24:50,240 --> 01:24:54,680
Speaker 1: of it. Although Debrah's Joe runs a lot of criticism,

1436
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:58,160
Speaker 1: I think is alive and well, we see Sarscha puts

1437
01:24:58,240 --> 01:25:04,080
Speaker 1: in ten thousand steps easily. She women be running to

1438
01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:08,160
Speaker 1: indicate that their spirit is Yeah, it's a thing, it's

1439
01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:10,960
Speaker 1: a thing. But no, I mean I think that this

1440
01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:13,960
Speaker 1: is like it does, it does, it does? Yeah, and

1441
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:17,479
Speaker 1: I like that a lot of There's two women from

1442
01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:21,360
Speaker 1: the production team of this movie that are coming back

1443
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:25,800
Speaker 1: to work on the Gerwig movie. Denise da Novi, who

1444
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:28,720
Speaker 1: is a producer on the main producer in this movie,

1445
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:32,160
Speaker 1: is also producing the new one. And then Robin spikers back.

1446
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:34,400
Speaker 1: So it seems like they have people who have a

1447
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:37,560
Speaker 1: history like the you know, I hope this is the

1448
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:43,040
Speaker 1: next m c U l W the uh you know.

1449
01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:45,240
Speaker 1: And then we meet more little women. There's so many.

1450
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:48,960
Speaker 1: There's some of them are looking for special rock and

1451
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:53,640
Speaker 1: then they fight each other. I uh, the that was

1452
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:55,720
Speaker 1: like I think I just pitched a terrible funny or

1453
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:59,800
Speaker 1: died sketch. Um, but I watch Yeah, No, I think

1454
01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:03,639
Speaker 1: it's really good. And yeah, I mean there's definitely things

1455
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:06,400
Speaker 1: about it that are of its time, but a lot

1456
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:10,439
Speaker 1: is also course corrected. Um. I want to give the

1457
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:12,640
Speaker 1: production team the benefit of the doubt and say that

1458
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:15,519
Speaker 1: ending the scene on Joe deciding to get married was

1459
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:18,759
Speaker 1: a studio note and not something that anyone actually wanted

1460
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 1: to do, because it just doesn't it seems like totally

1461
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:23,719
Speaker 1: dissonant with the rest of I think. Yeah, I would,

1462
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:26,240
Speaker 1: I would say, so that is them going, let's let's

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Speaker 1: tie this up nicely. Every Yeah, and everyone was kicking

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Speaker 1: each other under the table, but they had to do

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Speaker 1: it because that's where the money was coming. Right. It's

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01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:35,160
Speaker 1: like it seems like a male executive note. It does

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Speaker 1: at the end, but but for the most part, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, like giving Marmie a name, giving Marmy a

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Speaker 1: feminist identity, and and just I mean to like shout

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Speaker 1: out the original book to like Louise was really cool.

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01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:51,800
Speaker 1: She seemed like she would be really mean to me.

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Speaker 1: I got a big step on my neck energy from

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01:26:57,720 --> 01:26:59,760
Speaker 1: because she was just like, you like my work. I

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01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:03,800
Speaker 1: don't like she just was like, she seemed like a

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01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:07,640
Speaker 1: really fun she said. She wrote the second half of

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01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:11,519
Speaker 1: the story good wives quote in a very stupid style.

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01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:16,240
Speaker 1: She says, there's also I read a quote that this

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01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:20,320
Speaker 1: other sequel, Joe's Boys. She said she was so just

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01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:23,240
Speaker 1: like piste off about having to write the whole thing

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01:27:23,320 --> 01:27:25,360
Speaker 1: that by the end she wished she could have had

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01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:29,160
Speaker 1: the school for boys that they open up just get

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Speaker 1: swallowed up by an earthquake. I'm paraphrasing, but but something

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01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:40,320
Speaker 1: like that. I do like when people start to resent

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01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:44,280
Speaker 1: their cash cow. It's I think that's really like very

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Speaker 1: It's humanizing, isn't it. It's like, all, yeah, we get it,

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Speaker 1: we get it. Sometimes to do it for the paycheck,

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Speaker 1: you know, Oh god, what about you? I would say,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think we all agree it's around a

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01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:56,679
Speaker 1: three point five it is, right. I just they lose

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Speaker 1: a point. They lose a nipple or two for me,

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01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:02,240
Speaker 1: because it's just the word insipid comes up for me.

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01:28:02,360 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 1: And I know that's of the time, but it just

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01:28:05,240 --> 01:28:08,040
Speaker 1: it did it. It irked me a little bit. Um,

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01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:10,000
Speaker 1: it just really did it. And I know I'm being

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01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 1: ah too picky, but um, but generally speaking, right, it

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01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:17,080
Speaker 1: was you know, it was they didn't do little women

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01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 1: and and replace it like we see in comedy so much.

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01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:21,720
Speaker 1: They'll be like it's a it's a women's festival, but

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01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:24,600
Speaker 1: there's four male headliners. Like they didn't do that, and

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Speaker 1: I mean they didn't go a little women, but there's

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01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:27,920
Speaker 1: a brother at this one. Like there was none of that.

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01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:30,960
Speaker 1: So that in and God bless them because they could

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01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:33,320
Speaker 1: and I'm sure they got notes for it, so you

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01:28:33,439 --> 01:28:35,280
Speaker 1: have to still really give them, you know, three and

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01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:37,840
Speaker 1: a half nipples, three point seven five nipples for that.

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01:28:38,120 --> 01:28:40,040
Speaker 1: So thank you very much on that one, you know

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01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:41,559
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, come on, we've all been there.

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01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:43,599
Speaker 1: It's just like a woman show. But there's three guys. Okay,

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01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:48,080
Speaker 1: we got Yeah. The twist is they haven't assaulted a woman.

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01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:51,280
Speaker 1: You're like, okay, well they've earned their place here. T J.

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Speaker 1: Miller's back in movies. You see that, Yeah, that underwater

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Speaker 1: killing me now, which I would but with normally that

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01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:01,960
Speaker 1: my kind of I love that sort of genre that

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Speaker 1: I do. But I know when he's not the preview,

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01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:08,120
Speaker 1: like I think I shrieked out like that kind of

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01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:11,439
Speaker 1: I was like, oh no, keep it in, canceled, not

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01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:19,120
Speaker 1: anymore anyway. Anyway. To conclude, little Women, pretty good, pretty good,

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Speaker 1: pretty is. Yeah, Debora, thank you so much for joining

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Speaker 1: us for a third time. Girls, ladies, humans, little WoT

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Speaker 1: woman dudes exactly. Always a pleasure, truly. Where can people

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Speaker 1: follow your stuff? Um? Instagram, I'm Debora d g And

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Speaker 1: on Twitter, I'm Debora Dgovanny. I know it's my whole name.

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Speaker 1: How awful. But yeah, d E b R A d

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Speaker 1: that about does it. Yeahl bye bye bye