1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: The third hour of Clay and Buck kicks off now everybody, 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:08,239 Speaker 1: and it's the last week of the Biden administration. So 3 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: we got that going for us, which is nice. Joe 4 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: Biden still technically the president of the United States for 5 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: a few more days. Doesn't really feel like he's been 6 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: president for quite some time. But this is where we are, 7 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: and Biden is going to be giving a speech here, 8 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: I believe, focusing on foreign policy, shortly going to talk 9 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 1: about the way forward. One of the remarkable things about 10 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: Joe Biden is that he has a record of being 11 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: really catastrophically wrong on foreign policy issues. As a president. 12 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: He has a record and vice president under the Obama 13 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: administration of catastrophic foreign policy decisions, things that he pushed 14 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: forward directly himself, or that he supposedly decided himself, although 15 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: I think it's always the advisors, but that's supposed to 16 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: be his strong suit. I think that tells you a 17 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: lot about Joe Biden, that the area of his greatest 18 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: competency is actually an area of tremendous weakness if you 19 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 1: listen to anybody who is honest and has been paying 20 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: attention throughout his career. But Clay, this also leaves a 21 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: lot of open territory right now for the Democrats. I think, 22 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: given the wildfires in California continuing to create devastation across 23 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: a wide swath of Los Angeles, and the fact that 24 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom is running as he's doing a lot of 25 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 1: pr damage control for his stewardship of that state along 26 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: with Karen Bass, It's not a moment where you would 27 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: think that Gavin Newsom is a top contender for the 28 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: leadership of the Democrat Party. He certainly is looking a 29 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: little weak in the moment at least. And it's interesting 30 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: to me that Peter Doucey news in the closing week 31 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: of Carrige Jean Pierre's tenure as White House Press Secretary, 32 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: asks her who is the leader of the Democrat Party 33 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: between next Monday, when Trump takes office and the next 34 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: the next presidential election cycle. Here's just what she had 35 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: to say in response, is play twenty eight between next 36 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 1: Monday and twenty twenty eight, who's the leader of the 37 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: Democrat Party? Goodness wow? 38 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 2: That is honestly, that is for people much smarter than 39 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 2: I to make that assessment that decision. Obviously, voters will 40 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 2: decide that is not something for me to decide. I 41 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 2: could say, right now in this moment in this room, 42 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 2: as I'm looking at the clock as it's counting down 43 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 2: because we have to leave shortly. You have the president, 44 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 2: President Joe Biden, who is obviously the president and the 45 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 2: leader of the Democratic Party. I cannot predict the future. 46 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 2: So that is not something that I'm going to do 47 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 2: from here. 48 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: So no, leader of Department. That's not what I said, 49 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: full time President. I'm regretting this right now. That's not 50 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: what I said. 51 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 2: I said that I am. You asked me about what's 52 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 2: the twenty twenty eight is going to look like between 53 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 2: now and twenty twenty eight. I can't or post post 54 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 2: obviously this president's tenure does That's not for me to decide. 55 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 2: That's not for me to speak. 56 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: To Clay now. I actually think that it isn't for 57 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: her necessarily way in right, I think that it's Peter 58 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: Doucy having a little fun in the last week here, 59 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: but pointing out a question that I think has to 60 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 1: not only be on the minds of Republicans but Democrats 61 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: as well. Who is the leader of the resistance to Trump? 62 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: Right now? You know, there used to be this whole, 63 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: this whole team, this whole bench of people that were 64 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: vying for the leader of the hashtag resistance against Trump, 65 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: and now it feels like it's all just been put 66 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: on pause. It's it's been sent into remission. I don't know, 67 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: it's I've never seen a Democrat party so leaderless in 68 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: my adult lifetime as it seems to be right now. 69 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 3: I think Gavin Newsom wanted to be that Trump alternative, 70 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:16,679 Speaker 3: and honestly, the LA wildfires have to a large extent 71 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 3: crippled him politically, and I don't think that's gonna happen. 72 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 3: My expectation is that it's going to be Gretchen Witmer, 73 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,239 Speaker 3: and I know some of you out there are thinking 74 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 3: it's crazy, but she can't run for reelection again. Josh 75 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 3: Shapiro can, and when he gets re elected, I think 76 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 3: there'll be some DeSantis like momentum, presuming that he is reelected. 77 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 3: I think Bucky would get reelected in twenty six, which 78 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 3: would be a natural jumping off point for his political 79 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 3: movement then to move national, But I don't think there's 80 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 3: a national figure. Keem Jefferies is not particularly charismatic or 81 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 3: well spoken enough to me to be a compelling national figure. 82 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 3: Chuck Schumer certainly is not in the Senate as the 83 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 3: minority leader. Sometimes that's the person who's in opposition. I 84 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 3: think there's a huge void of leadership. Kamala Harris is 85 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 3: not because she's never been a particularly well spoken advocate 86 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 3: for the Democrat side. And I do think California Democrats 87 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 3: are going to have a tough time because this fire 88 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 3: in la is going to be seen as an indictment 89 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 3: of their leadership, even if they're national. And let me 90 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 3: mention this two buck because you just play that audio, 91 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 3: are you gonna miss a little bit the Peter Doucy 92 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 3: Corene Jean Pierre interactions. I mean, we've had basically four 93 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 3: years of sharing those clips because Peter Deucy has been 94 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 3: one of the few media members who would actually ask 95 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 3: questions of Karine Jean Pierre that were something other than 96 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 3: on a scale of awesomeness, How awesome would you say 97 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 3: Joe Biden and his administration have done, which is the 98 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 3: default White House Press Corps questioning in general, with the 99 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 3: exception after June twenty seventh. Obviously that changed when suddenly 100 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 3: everybody had teeth after the debate performance. But Peter Deucey 101 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 3: is going to be, I imagine, having way less fun 102 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 3: in a Trump White House briefing room than he has 103 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 3: with Karine Jean Pierre. And a part of me thinks 104 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 3: Karine Jean Pierre, even in that interaction, likes Peter Deucy, 105 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 3: like you know, even though they obviously are have gone 106 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 3: at it quite a lot. And I think Karine Jean 107 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 3: Pierre has lost almost He's got like an O and 108 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 3: six hundred and forty two record against Peter Deucy questions. 109 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 3: I do think that even she's going to miss that 110 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 3: a little bit. Well, there's a degree of theatricality in 111 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 3: the in these West Wing press corps exchange. 112 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: Both of them are performing in some West right. 113 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 3: It's not yeah, it's televised, it's a it's a it's 114 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 3: a shadow boxing. 115 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: Our friend Caroline Levitt, though, is going to be taking 116 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: over that role for the Trump administration, and I would 117 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: think that there would be a degree of theatrics there. 118 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: But to start off with, I don't know. I think 119 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: that a lot of these I think a lot of 120 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: the journals out there, the people that really insist that 121 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: they're still the quote mainstream and unbiased or nonpartisan journalists. 122 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: I think that they realized that that whole brand is 123 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: shakier than it has been in a very long time. 124 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: When even Bezos at the Washington Post, you know, with 125 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: his Washington Post says, guys, we need to stop being 126 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: so crazy. So I don't know that they're going to 127 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,679 Speaker 1: go after the White House Press secretary with the same 128 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: ferocity that say they initially did in twenty sixteen when 129 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: Trump's team were in twenty seventeen, rather when Trump's team 130 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: took over, you know, I think that they may ease 131 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: into it a little more. Again, we'll see where this 132 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: goes with deportations. I still believe that as those ramp up, 133 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: that's going to become a centerpiece of the of the 134 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: resistance to Trump such as such as it will be uh. 135 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: But yeah, I I think also, I know you've you've 136 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: mentioned this, Clay Di Biden UH State Departments, his his 137 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: farewell UH address at the State Department. UH is going 138 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: to be defending his foreign policy legacy. Has its Has 139 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: it kicked off yet? I don't think it started yet. 140 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:27,559 Speaker 1: Has it? We're on the air as this is going 141 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: not yet. Yeah, he's a little late. It was supposed 142 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: to start around too. But it's Biden. So they got 143 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: to wake him up. They got to get him some 144 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 1: apple juice. They got to probably give him a shot 145 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: of something to get him, you know, get his eyes 146 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: open and look with some clarity. So he's going to 147 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 1: give a speech, but they are hopefully going to be 148 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: announcing a pretty major breakthrough with the release of hostages 149 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: from Hamas uh. That is the expected The expectation, right, 150 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: is that that's what's going to be announced in this speech, 151 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:00,719 Speaker 1: some some degree of hostage swap uh and or a 152 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: hostage trade. And I think that that's Biden's attempting. Look, 153 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,199 Speaker 1: we want all the hostages free, we want the hostages home. 154 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: So good news is good news no matter what. Of course, 155 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: it's tragic that it's so few hostages. It should have 156 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: been all of them. It should have been done a 157 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:20,839 Speaker 1: long time ago. But I think that it's an incredibly 158 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:26,559 Speaker 1: meek and almost chastened Biden Whitehouse that is handing over 159 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: the reins here. They're really desperate for some kind of 160 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: legacy to latch onto. That's something that they can say, 161 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: look what we did, and look what we have to 162 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: be proud of. I think it's you know, what I mean. 163 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: I think it's a remarkably weak record that they're trying 164 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: to trying to, you know, doll up a bit here 165 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: in the final stages, and it just goes to the 166 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: overall Democrat lack of leadership, lack of message. I've never 167 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: seen the Democrat Party as a brand and look as 168 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: depressed as it does right now. And I know that 169 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: it's temporary. I'm not deluding myself into thing this is 170 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: going to last forever. It's not. 171 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 3: But right now they're at a nator good word. Look, 172 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 3: I do think you also have to give a lot 173 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 3: of credit. Again, we're getting a little bit ahead of 174 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 3: this speech, but there are reports that they are going 175 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,199 Speaker 3: to be somewhere in the neighborhood of thirty some odd 176 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 3: hostages that are going to be released in Gaza by 177 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 3: Hamas Trump saying that there's going to be hell to 178 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 3: pay if these hostages were not released before he came 179 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 3: into office. Buck, I think is actually the impetus to 180 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 3: the extent that we get a result behind that, because 181 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 3: I think much of the Middle East fears Trump in 182 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 3: the wake of his assassination of Solomony, and there's talk 183 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 3: already about hey, what's going to happen with Iran going forward. Hezbola, 184 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 3: you have a ceasefire in the North, now do you 185 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 3: get one with Hamas. I think that Trump's victory has 186 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 3: created negotiating power for Israel. And I know this because 187 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 3: the Israelis told it to me when I was over 188 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 3: there last month in December. They said that Trump's election 189 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 3: fundamentally altered that the hostage negotiations because there was an 190 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 3: understanding that you're not going to get Kamala Harris, who's 191 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 3: trying to Playkate the left of her base that just 192 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 3: doesn't frankly care that much about what happens to Jews, 193 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 3: that Trump was going to come in and recavoc if necessary. 194 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: There's something very clear here, and it's something that all 195 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: of MAGA and Trump voters can be quite proud of, 196 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: which is that there is no pro Hamas wing of 197 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: Trump voting world. This is not a thing, doesn't exist. 198 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: There's no contingent that Trump is trying to play Kate 199 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: on the right that thinks that Hamas is a glorious 200 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: resistance to tear the organization or something right. That is 201 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: a thing on the left. As we all know, it 202 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: was a big problem for the Democrats in this last 203 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 1: election cycle. We saw it with the protests on college campuses. 204 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: There is a pro Hamas wing of the Democrat Party 205 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: and that's gone now. So anything that the US can 206 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: and would do going forward to put greater to really 207 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 1: support Israel and you know, allow Israel to do what 208 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: it needs to do. Hamas knows that that's happening now. 209 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: So there's a new sheriff in town and his name 210 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: is Donald Trump. 211 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 3: Well, not only that, remember the Hitler taught We got 212 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 3: some funny clips for you about Democrats freaking out about 213 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 3: Barack Obama interacting with Trump because he's Hitler. Still in 214 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 3: their mind, Remember that Trump would have won Israel if 215 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 3: Israel were voting as a United States state by a 216 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 3: margin similar to what he won West Virginia and Wyoming 217 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 3: by I mean we're talking about like seventy thirty if 218 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 3: Israeli's were voting for who the next United States president 219 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 3: should be. Which is why the whole idea of oh, 220 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 3: this guy's Hitler, Like, I don't think Hitler's that popular 221 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 3: at Israel. Just going to toss that out there, he 222 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 3: would have won. Trump would have on the same level 223 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 3: as he won the most Trumpian states in the United States, 224 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 3: and it's like no one ever wants to even talk 225 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,839 Speaker 3: about that, but it's pretty consequential. And again, I think 226 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,719 Speaker 3: if we get that news, I think Trump deserves a 227 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 3: lot of credit for it with his hell to Pay commentary. 228 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: You know, if you're in the markets, people are very 229 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: uncertain about what's going to happen this year and what 230 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: they should do going forward to try to get some yield, 231 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,719 Speaker 1: to try to make smart decisions. 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Clay Travis at buck Sexton. 249 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 3: Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you 250 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 3: get your podcasts. Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. 251 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 3: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. 252 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: Buck. 253 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 3: You asked who is the leader of the Democrat Party 254 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 3: right now? And I think the easy answer is there 255 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 3: isn't one, certainly not in the House or the Senate. 256 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 3: I think you would have to go down to a 257 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 3: state figure, which is why I came back to Gretchen Whitmer. 258 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 3: I think Gavin Newsom was trying to brand himself as 259 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 3: the anti Trump with the way that he had undertaken 260 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 3: Trump proofing the California economy and. 261 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: The laws that they had passed. 262 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 3: But I think anyone in California politically, it's going to 263 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 3: be almost impossible for them to have any national standing 264 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 3: when they can't put out fires in their backyard in 265 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:25,359 Speaker 3: Los Angeles. 266 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: But I do think. 267 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 3: They're trying to brand someone as the king or queen, 268 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 3: as it may be, of the Trump resistance. In media, 269 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 3: Rachel Maddow MSNBC's audience has completely collapsed. Fox News now 270 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 3: has something like seventy percent roughly of the overall news viewership, 271 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 3: as both CNN and MSNBC have lost all their audience. 272 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 3: Did you see our good friend Rachel Maddow, she of 273 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 3: the Monday Only Show and twenty five or thirty million 274 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 3: dollars a year paycheck, is now going to return to 275 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 3: anchor her show for the first one hundred days of 276 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 3: the Trump administration. If you were wondering how the media 277 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 3: would gear up, there hasn't really been any resistance or opposition. 278 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 3: You and I will get up to DC on Friday, 279 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 3: but I haven't even heard of any major protests that 280 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 3: they're trying to put in place for the Trump inauguration 281 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 3: so far. Mattow is going to try to rebrand herself 282 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 3: as the anti Trump zealot that made her a lot 283 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 3: of money in twenty sixteen. 284 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: I wonder how she'll position this, though, I think that 285 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: there's this The difference here is they said that Trump 286 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: was hitler and then he got reelected. Do you know, 287 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: it's a whole The popular vote didn't just win. 288 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 3: It's why I think the popular vote matters so much. 289 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 3: This felt like a sweeping victory. And it also has 290 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 3: to feel something like. 291 00:16:55,360 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: A rejection of the legacy corporate media's ability to direct 292 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 1: elections the way that they had been able to get 293 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: away with in the past. Something. It's very different now 294 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: we're in a very different environment. I think the existence 295 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: of X as well as you know, Rumble and you 296 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: know truth and these other places for the narrative or 297 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: counter narratives to get out make a major difference. I 298 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: think Rachel Maddow, look, I don't know what the finances 299 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: are of that show. My guess is she's wildly overpaid 300 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: at thirty million dollars a year. She would not make 301 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: thirty million dollars a year if MSNBC wasn't signing her checks. 302 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: So I don't think that it's justifiable based on the 303 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: audience size that they have over there. 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Go to LifeLock dot com use promo code 325 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 1: Buck that's LifeLock dot com promo code Buck or just 326 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: call this number one eight hundred LifeLock. Welcome back in 327 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: here to Clay and Buck. You got President I almost 328 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,360 Speaker 1: President Biden almost there not trying to get ahead of things. 329 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 3: Thankfully, I'm one week thankfully seven days. 330 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, one one week left here Biden soon to be 331 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: ex President Biden giving a speech right now where he 332 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: is touting his foreign policy accomplishments. Twenty three of thirty 333 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 1: two NATO allies spending two percent on defense. So okay, 334 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: I bet of the what's my math here? Of the 335 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 1: nine that aren't, I bet there's some of the bigger ones. 336 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: But put that aside. Nobody, no one's really all that 337 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: focused in on this. But here's what I will say. Gosh, 338 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: I was going to say in Biden's defense. I can't 339 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: believe I'm gonna say that out loud, but I am Clay. 340 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: You know, we keep it real here. I think that 341 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: Joe Biden, getting up in front of the camera right now, 342 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: giving this closing speech at the State Department in his 343 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 1: last week as president, I think that he still feels 344 00:19:55,320 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 1: very much vindicated by in a sense, by the the 345 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 1: loss that Kamala had I think he views himself as 346 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 1: a winner still, even though he got pushed out by 347 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 1: his own party. I think that he views his legacy 348 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 1: as one to zero against Trump, and you know, if 349 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 1: he had been in there. Again, I'm speaking from the 350 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: Biden perspective, but you could see this guy up there 351 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: into the degree that he looks not particularly vacant and present. 352 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 1: I think that Biden feels like his legacy is in 353 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: much better shape than say, Kamala Harris is at this stage, 354 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 1: and it's in better shape than it would have been 355 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: for him had he lost the big bout. So you know, 356 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: this is probably an overly charitable view of Biden, but again, 357 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: from his perspective, he's not the guy that got annihilated 358 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: in the general election and led to this current state 359 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,120 Speaker 1: where it's really a leaderless Democrat party. I think he 360 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 1: believes again this is my Biden interpretation, Clay. I think 361 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: he believes that history will look bite I'm talking about 362 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: from the Democrat perspective, will look more kindly on him 363 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 1: in this election cycle, and it will look more and 364 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: more to people like they should have back Biden all along. 365 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 1: I'm just this is where I think his mind is 366 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: as he's closing the books here, I think so. 367 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,479 Speaker 3: I always like to say it's hard to predict recent 368 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,199 Speaker 3: future history, meaning we got a lot right looking at 369 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, it's very hard to predict. Hey, forty 370 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 3: years from now, sixty hundred years from now, how will 371 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 3: people look back on the Biden presidency? With that in mind, 372 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 3: here's why I think he's actually going to continue to 373 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 3: look worse and worse. What did Biden that in retrospect 374 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 3: could look really smart. I'll give you an example. 375 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: George W. Bush. 376 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 3: I think, personally, this is my personal opinion, utterly failed 377 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 3: in the money that he spent in Iraq and to 378 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 3: a large extent, Afghanistan. We should never have gone to 379 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 3: war in Iraq. But one hundred years from now, Buck, 380 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 3: if suddenly the Middle East becomes a flourishing, democrat, human 381 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 3: rights laden outpost of civilization, people may look back at 382 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 3: George W. Bush and say, you know what, his decision 383 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 3: to go to war in Iraq, even though it got 384 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 3: criticized at the time, was brilliant. Historically, I don't think 385 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 3: that's going to happen. But if there were the seeds 386 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 3: that Bush helped to create, and they flourished in Iraq 387 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 3: becomes a democracy that is the envy of countries around 388 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 3: the Middle East, and everybody moves in that direction. You 389 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 3: could look at that and say what seeds did Biden 390 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 3: plant that you can look at during his four years 391 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 3: and say, boy, this looks really bad right now, but 392 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 3: it could flourish fifty or one hundred years from now. 393 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 3: I can't even think of anything that he could look 394 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 3: better at in retrospect. 395 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: I think that Biden's presidency will largely be now Again, 396 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: I was saying from I'm thinking about this from the 397 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 1: Democrat branding perspective, totally totally understanding perspective of what are 398 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: the names that you know, we've lived in this world, 399 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: Clay for twenty years now, where it's well, I mean 400 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: the Obamas are more recent, but it's Clinton, Obama, Kennedy, 401 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: and now Biden has become a name, one of the 402 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:45,360 Speaker 1: big Democrat names out there. He's been president for four years, 403 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: and they're going to want to have some kind of 404 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 1: a legacy going forward to rally around on their side. 405 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: Biden's presidency I think is very inconsequential in many ways 406 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 1: because I don't think that Biden's presidency was anything other 407 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: than the machine running right. The Democratic Party was making 408 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: a lot of the decisions. But here's what I would say, they, 409 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: you know, the big disaster of the Biden years in 410 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 1: a sense, again, if you're a Democrat, is the win 411 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: that Donald Trump just had and Biden's not really I 412 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: think that he's gonna be viewed as not really responsible 413 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: for it. Yes, So I think his party made the 414 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 1: decision to shove him aside. And people are going to 415 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 1: look at this and they're going to say that was 416 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: you never push out an incumbent president. It was a huge, 417 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: huge mistake because it's also sacrificed Kamala Harris's political future 418 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 1: in the process too. You see, it is the worst 419 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 1: possible world what they did. Push out your incumbent, serve 420 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: up Kamala to get absolutely destroyed. Now what do they have? 421 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 3: Yes, So I think the criticism is going to end 422 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 3: up bouncing back on Biden and his team saying he 423 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 3: should have never announced that he was running, That that 424 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 3: was reckless and that was the sin. The only things 425 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,360 Speaker 3: that I could say, like, and I'm trying to think, 426 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 3: like fifty years down the horizon, do you see where 427 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 3: Jake Sullivan said that Jake Sullivan said, well, one reason 428 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 3: we're not getting a lot of credit right now is 429 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 3: because we made so many decisions that in the decades 430 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 3: to come will look brilliant. And I'm paraphrasing him, but basically, 431 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 3: I'm trying to look and say, Okay, let's be generous. 432 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 3: What did Biden do. I can see historians saying, okay, 433 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 3: he beat COVID. That's not accurate. COVID was gonna go away, 434 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 3: as you and I talked about because the natural flow 435 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 3: of virus, whether Trump was in office or Biden like so, 436 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 3: I don't think they can make that argument. 437 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: That could be one of their arguments. 438 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 3: Then they could say, I guess the withdrawal from Afghanistan, 439 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 3: even though it was a disaster, was the right one. 440 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 3: They can say, hey, we stood up against Russia in 441 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 3: the battle with Ukraine and we kept Vladimir Putin from 442 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,120 Speaker 3: what being Hitler and going into like Belarus and other countries. 443 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: I don't think you buy that. That could be their argument. 444 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 3: They could say, hey, in the Middle East, October seventh 445 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 3: really made it hard. Remember Jake Sullivan said, We've never 446 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 3: seen a quieter Middle East, and one week later, October seventh, happened. 447 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 3: So I think it's hard to argue, but they can say, hey, 448 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 3: we stood behind Israel, and that helps set the foundation. 449 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 3: My point is, I think it's going to be hard 450 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 3: to make long range Biden made a big difference arguments. 451 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 3: I think Biden is Jimmy Carter. Jimmy Carter just died, 452 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 3: and everybody's reassessing the difference is Unlike Jimmy Carter, Biden's 453 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 3: not going to have a post presidency where he creates 454 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 3: habitats for humanity and does a lot of global jet 455 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 3: setting to try to make up for the fact that 456 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 3: he was a bad president. 457 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: I think unless my major advances in biogenetics years, I. 458 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 3: Think I think Biden is Jimmy Carter without the Jimmy 459 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 3: Carter post presidency, which actually means Biden is the worst 460 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 3: president in any of our lives. And I think, again, 461 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 3: I'm thinking historically, not right now. I'm trying to think 462 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 3: decades into the future. I just see very few things 463 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 3: that in retrospect somebody can point to and today, boy 464 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 3: he got ripped, but he got this. 465 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 1: See I'll I'll throw this out there. First of all, 466 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I think Barack Obama set in motion the 467 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: entire leftward tilt of the country that really just crashed 468 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: into the wall of Trump in this past election with 469 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 1: all of the most insane left wing stuff. You can 470 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: trace back to the Obama administration into the early years 471 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: of Obama. So I, you know, to the beginnings of obamasm. 472 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: So I would say Obama's the worst president of the 473 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 1: century by far. I think, far more destructive and far 474 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 1: more consequential in his destruction than what we've seen now. 475 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: To be fair, eight years versus four years. You know, 476 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: there's a there's a you. 477 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 3: Could point to Obama and say he killed Osama bin Laden, right, 478 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 3: most presidents. 479 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 1: You can point to Joe Biden and say he's the 480 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: president who in twenty years of the Iraq I mean, 481 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 1: of the Afghanistan war, just said enough is enough and 482 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: he ended the war. I know, well, that's the Afghanistan argument. 483 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 1: But that's what they're gonna say. 484 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 3: That's the Afghanistan argument you can make in twenty forty 485 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,919 Speaker 3: to fifty years. Here's why I think Jimmy Carter is 486 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 3: the appropriate analogy. Historically, again, were history nerds here. Jimmy 487 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 3: Carter really got elected because of Watergate, right, because Gerald 488 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,880 Speaker 3: Ford pardoned because Gerald Ford made the decision to pardon 489 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 3: Richard Nixon, and Carter narrowly got in in seventy six 490 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 3: as the ultimate Washington outsider, and there was an anger 491 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 3: associated with the Nixon end of that era, and Ford 492 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:34,719 Speaker 3: tried to run. Ford, by the way, is a good 493 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 3: guy who historically most people have said, Yeah, that was 494 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 3: the right decision to pardon Nixon. The country benefited, he 495 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 3: lost in the short term. Carter is somewhat of an 496 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 3: accidental president as a result. I think Joe Biden is 497 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 3: an accidental president because of COVID, because Democrats used COVID, 498 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 3: much like they did Watergate, to get a otherwise never 499 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 3: electable guy into office, and then, much like in nineteen eighty, 500 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 3: Reagan came in and just swept out Carter. I think 501 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 3: Trump re emerging in twenty four and sweeping out Biden 502 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,479 Speaker 3: makes the analogy between Jimmy Carter and Joe Biden. Then 503 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 3: you can toss in the selection yours inflation. 504 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, but this election was a lot closer than Carter 505 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: the Reagan just to I mean, I think it's well worth. 506 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 3: To be fair. The Carter Reagan example was supposed to 507 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 3: be very close, and this is actually we're a little 508 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 3: bit scary. Is it possible to have a truly Reagan 509 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 3: era whipping of anybody who's a Democrat, even if they're 510 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 3: an awful candidate. 511 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: You know, the country is dug in in a way 512 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: now where people will continue to stay with party. I 513 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: think almost irrespective of results. I believe this of Democrats. 514 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: They would say it's true. Republicans too, I would disagree, 515 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: but I think that yes, the polarization of the country 516 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: is a reality. The Democrat Party has moved far to 517 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: the left compared to what it was even a few 518 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: decades ago. Look, I'm just trying to sort of see 519 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: what the messaging is here from. I mean, Biden's trying 520 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: to tell us how the US is so strong and 521 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: the foreign policy front where so strong. Things are great. 522 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: It's a weak argument, Clay, I get it. I'm just 523 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,719 Speaker 1: trying to figure out what the Democrat to do with this, 524 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:28,719 Speaker 1: because they need something to rally or someone, some brand 525 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 1: to rally around. It's by it's not going to be 526 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: Obama going forward, it's not going to be a Clinton 527 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: going forward. They are so leaderless and without messaging at 528 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: this point too, because the whole last year, the messaging 529 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: wasn't you know we got to finish the job with 530 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: the middle class and get more. It was Trump is hitler, 531 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: let's prosecute him, and then the country said, actually, we 532 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: kind of like this guy, Let's give him four more years. 533 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: I don't know how they come back from that. And 534 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: I think Biden is running around doing his version of 535 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: you know, the farewell tour based on foreign policy because 536 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: you know who really, you know, it's not going to 537 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: be No one really cares that much about what Biden 538 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: says at this stage, so he's just trying to put 539 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: some put some nice flowery of words together in his defense. 540 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: Let me put something out there that points to how 541 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: hard the history can be to predict, even in the 542 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: short term, to say nothing of decades into the future. 543 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: You and I were not on together as a team yet. 544 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 1: If on January seventh, the day after January sixth, twenty 545 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: twenty one, I had come on and I'd said, Hey, 546 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: things look bad for Trump now, but I'm telling you 547 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: January twenty twenty five, Trump is going to win the 548 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: popular vote, the biggest Republican win since nineteen eighty eight. 549 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: Every single person in America just about would have called 550 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: me a moron, not crazy, not dissimilar from normal, and 551 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: that would have been a headline everywhere. Four years later 552 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: that all happened. So while you think about Kamala, I'll 553 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: just say in winter, so to speak, she's not in 554 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: as bad of a spot right now as Trump was 555 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: on January seventh, twenty twenty one. I see, this is 556 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 1: kind of what I was getting at Clay. I think 557 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: that there'll be some Biden nostalgia within a couple of years. 558 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: This is what I mean, I think. And then Biden 559 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: knows that, and they're gonna they're gonna go with it. 560 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: They're gonna pretend you're gonna say, you know, he was 561 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: a steady hand and you know things are okay, because 562 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: they's gonna need something. 563 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 3: Kamala's team has to convince the nation over the next 564 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 3: two years that but for Biden's decision to wait to 565 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 3: step down, she would have beaten Trump. That's her argument 566 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 3: for why she deserves to be the nominee in twenty 567 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 3: eight I think it's wrong because I think Kamala, the 568 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 3: more time people spend with her, the less they like her. 569 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 3: But there's gonna be a battle over who is to 570 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 3: blame for twenty twenty four, and Kamala's people need it 571 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 3: to be Biden, and Biden's people need it to be. 572 00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: Common and that that's really what I'm trying to get 573 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: out here with Biden is is I think laying the 574 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: groundwork for in the future Democrats to feel like it 575 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: was Kamala's fault, right, this is the whole thing. It's 576 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: it's in the fault. 577 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 3: Remember in the debate Republican debate, We're about to go 578 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 3: to break but when suddenly Nicky Haley like pulled out 579 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 3: a knife and metaphorically stabbed Tim Scott and they were 580 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 3: like close friends to that point, and Tim Scott's like, Okay, 581 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 3: we're gonna go here. But they were so similar, both 582 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 3: South Carolina Republicans, that one or the other had to survive. 583 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 3: And Nicky Haley had the knife in her hand and 584 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 3: just gutted Tim Scott on the stage metaphorically speaking, that's 585 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 3: what's gonna have to happen, Biden, Kamala, one of them 586 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 3: is gonna have to get get a knife. 587 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: And just it was like Tim Scott's such a nice guy. 588 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: What just happened? He's so nice? 589 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 3: And what Nicky Haley ended up surviving the longest. She 590 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 3: was the last you know, the last executioner you know 591 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 3: in that respects, like, what does she gain? But she 592 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 3: had to do that, I think to get to the 593 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 3: point she did. Kamala Biden are gonna have to make 594 00:33:58,320 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 3: that choice at some point. 595 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: Look, we're talking a lot about Trump taken over next week. 596 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: It's going to be fantastic in so many ways. I'm 597 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,359 Speaker 1: honestly thrilled for the country. I think this is going 598 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:12,760 Speaker 1: to be a great era in America. But you also 599 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,879 Speaker 1: got to prepare for the unexpected. 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Report from CNN World 634 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 3: that Hamas is expected to release thirty three hostages in 635 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:15,399 Speaker 3: the first phase of. 636 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:16,320 Speaker 1: An emerging deal. 637 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 3: That is according to multiple Israeli officials. According to CNN 638 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 3: reporting from Jerusalem, that would obviously be very good news. 639 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 3: Biden has not mentioned that to our knowledge so far. Buck, 640 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 3: we will break all of this down and more. Plus 641 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,880 Speaker 3: Pete Hegseth starts his testimony tomorrow as the cabinet hearings 642 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:35,800 Speaker 3: really get underway. 643 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: Also, congrats to our friend Will Caine for us getting 644 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 1: the four pm show at Fox News. Will is a 645 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 1: longtime friend of mine, friend to Clay's richly deserves. He's 646 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,239 Speaker 1: a great guy. We wish him all the best. He's 647 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 1: going to do a great job.