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Speaker 2: we'll talk to Jim Jackson, former NBA player, get his
Speaker 2: thoughts on the best duo in the NBA. I said,
Speaker 2: it's Luca and Lebron because Lebron is playing as a
Speaker 2: top ten player, maybe top seven, maybe top five, and
Speaker 2: then you put Luca in there when Luca is able
Speaker 2: to play like he normally does.
Speaker 3: Is there a better duo?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 2: You could say Tatum and Jalen Brown, and I'd have
Speaker 2: no argument with that. They're obviously a very very dangerous tandem.
Speaker 2: Joker Jamal Murray. I mean, there's a couple of teams
Speaker 2: that you can go down the list and say, all right,
Speaker 2: those two guys are really really good. But Luca and
Speaker 2: Lebron with the way they're playing now. They got the
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Speaker 2: good morning those watching on Peacock. Some of the headlines here.
Speaker 2: As I mentioned with last hour, we talked a lot
Speaker 2: of football, and we talked, you know, the guys who
Speaker 2: are coming and going. The fact that Joey Bosa got released.
Speaker 2: Max Crosby is now the highest paid non quarterback in
Speaker 2: the NFL, at least for the time being. Sam Darnold
Speaker 2: is he going to re sign with the Vices and
Speaker 2: if not, where would he end up. Daniel Jeremiah, the
Speaker 2: draft expert for NFL Network, said he could see maybe
Speaker 2: the Colts stepping in because the Colts are ready to
Speaker 2: win now. But DK Metcalf wants a trade, and the
Speaker 2: Chiefs traded one of their more decorated offensive linemen, Joe
Speaker 2: Toney to the Bears, Alex Ovechkin is nine behind the
Speaker 2: great one. Cabs had won twelve in a row, and
Speaker 2: as I mentioned, the Knicks at the Lakers coming up tonight.
Speaker 2: Deathbed confessionals, we were talking a couple of these, and
Speaker 2: we had a listener who said, you know, would you
Speaker 2: want to know Michael Jordan the flu game. That's not
Speaker 2: what I want to know from Michael and his death bed.
Speaker 2: I want to know did the commissioner suspend you for gambling?
Speaker 2: Pete Rose, I already know what that story is. Barry Bonds,
Speaker 2: do you care if he said, you know I did
Speaker 2: use steroids?
Speaker 3: I don't care. I already know it. So you know
Speaker 3: what is the mystery?
Speaker 2: And then Paulie goes, you know who I would love
Speaker 2: to hear the truth from, and I go who? And
Speaker 2: he goes Manti Tao and I go, well, wait a minute,
Speaker 2: he got catfished, but he was at Notre Day.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Paulie, I've seen an interviewer two. He's had a
Speaker 5: nice media career going on right now. But man, that story,
Speaker 5: when the Manti Tao story broke, that still is jaw dropping.
Speaker 5: Everything that happened that two or three month period. I
Speaker 5: would I've got about six questions.
Speaker 6: I would like to just check off the box.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he just got catfish. That's all.
Speaker 2: He had an imaginary girlfriend. But they did, didn't they
Speaker 2: answer everything in the documentary.
Speaker 6: I guess I got him. It's just fascinating.
Speaker 2: He's not the first guy to get catfish, but he's
Speaker 2: probably the first Heisman candidate to get cat He is the.
Speaker 5: First Heisman Trophy candidate to show up to New York
Speaker 5: and have that star story told on National TV that
Speaker 5: he knew was false when he walked in the Heisman ceremony.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's yeah, but he just got down too far
Speaker 2: down the rabbit hole. He was embarrassed, Like what do
Speaker 2: you say, Hey, I really don't have a girlfriend. Hey
Speaker 2: I have an imaginary girlfriend. Hey my girlfriend just died.
Speaker 2: Like it was one of those where it happened and
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, you didn't realize that it.
Speaker 3: Was going to be that big.
Speaker 2: But it's Notre Dame Heisman candidate, and all of a
Speaker 2: sudden you're trying to defend, explain what happened.
Speaker 3: He just got catfished.
Speaker 2: He believed that he was communicated with somebody who was
Speaker 2: his girlfriend or going to be his girlfriend or wanted
Speaker 2: to be his girlfriend. And then then when you watch
Speaker 2: the documentary, like, man, there's other layers to this. This
Speaker 2: is really really deep and Mantiteo. I'm happy for him.
Speaker 2: He's got a good career. I think he's been doing
Speaker 2: some stuff NFL Network, charismatic guy. But yeah, that's still
Speaker 2: one of those where and I wonder if his friends.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's married. I think he's married now.
Speaker 2: But did they joke with him if they met one
Speaker 2: of his girlfriends or he said he had a girlfriend,
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, can we meet her?
Speaker 3: Can? Can you?
Speaker 7: Like?
Speaker 3: Can your buddies do that to you?
Speaker 8: You've got to be very very very good friends.
Speaker 3: What hey, look at that? So let me pinch you.
Speaker 2: Sally, Hey, you're real. This is a little joke from before. Yeah, wait,
Speaker 2: what are they talking about? Man, Tie, it's nothing. I
Speaker 2: had imaginary friend. We all have imaginary friends, don't we
Speaker 2: didn't we that's all. He had an imaginary friend. It
Speaker 2: turned out to be a girlfriend that wasn't a girlfriend.
Speaker 5: Yes, PAULI one more NBA mystery that I know you
Speaker 5: know about and covered, Uh, did Patrick Ewing? Did the
Speaker 5: NBA get Patrick Ewing to the Knicks? Was the nineteen
Speaker 5: eighty five NBA Draft lottery fix?
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, because.
Speaker 5: People could see how the NBA would want it to
Speaker 5: be fixed. You can't exaggerate how big Ewing was at
Speaker 5: the time, and to go to the Knicks that needed
Speaker 5: a breath of life.
Speaker 2: And even though David Stern rest his soul is dead,
Speaker 2: I still feel like he could somehow come back and
Speaker 2: haunt me if I even talk about this. I remember
Speaker 2: talking to him and I remember him telling me to
Speaker 2: shut up. I'm with him in his office and we
Speaker 2: were just talking about you know, NBA top you know,
Speaker 2: a variety of things. And I said, you know I
Speaker 2: was there in eighty five and he said where. I said,
Speaker 2: at the at the lottery and he goes, oh, Patrick,
Speaker 2: don't tell me you're one of those guys who thinks.
Speaker 2: And I go, well, I'm just curious, like, could you
Speaker 2: friend homeboy. I'm I'm already nervous saying this because you know,
Speaker 2: Stern would yell at me, you know, you could freeze
Speaker 2: the car. And he goes, shut up, and I said,
Speaker 2: but you know that was shut up and I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: all right, and I'm thinking you could freeze the car.
Speaker 2: That was the big story. Did they put the Knicks
Speaker 2: card in the refrigerator? So when David was, you know,
Speaker 2: rifling through to find out you know what order that
Speaker 2: he felt that card and then the next won the lottery.
Speaker 6: Damn.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Seen, that's another one that sets up for massive deathbed
Speaker 8: disappointment for me.
Speaker 3: Was the lottery fixed?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 8: And then that's it, Like, oh crap, all this time
Speaker 8: I thought it was fixed.
Speaker 3: It wasn't. Yeah, but what if it was? What if
Speaker 3: they truly fixed it?
Speaker 2: If you're the commissioner, you want to have a star
Speaker 2: in New York, you want the Knicks to be competitive.
Speaker 3: Why didn't they keep doing that place? Couldn't they rigged
Speaker 3: the draft a little more for them?
Speaker 9: Then?
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 5: Okay, going back to when Lebron was eighteen, would you
Speaker 5: have fixed it for him to go to Cleveland or elsewhere?
Speaker 5: If you were fixing that draft.
Speaker 2: I would have Well, the Calves did fix it. They
Speaker 2: tanked so they could get the number one pick. Would
Speaker 2: I would have had him be in Cleveland? He's from Cleveland.
Speaker 2: You got to have other franchises that are healthy competitive.
Speaker 2: I mean, you want to play the hits. You want
Speaker 2: to have Philly, Boston, New York DC. But you know
Speaker 2: you got the hometown kid, and that's why they were tanking.
Speaker 2: And I don't think anybody had a problem with it
Speaker 2: back then. It's like, yeah, they're losing, they want to
Speaker 2: get Lebron keep them in Cleveland.
Speaker 3: Yeah, seen, where are we fixing the draft for Cooper Flag?
Speaker 3: I wouldn't send him to d C.
Speaker 2: Although when you think Flag and patriotism, Washington d C.
Speaker 2: But I wouldn't do that to that kid. That's where
Speaker 2: i'd go. You know, I really like college. I'm proud
Speaker 2: to be Washington Wizard. Where at least I know I
Speaker 2: can play.
Speaker 3: The Cooper Flag. Where would I put him? Not Charlot.
Speaker 2: I don't want to say San Antonio because it I
Speaker 2: don't know that people would be angry that the Spurs
Speaker 2: won the lottery Again. He wouldn't be in a big market,
Speaker 2: but I got him with dearon Fox and Victor Wembenyama.
Speaker 3: I would love that. I would I would love that.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Point, here are the top six teams for the NBA Draft.
Speaker 5: You got to pick one of them to fix it.
Speaker 5: For Cooper Flag Washington, Charlotte, Utah, New Orleans, Toronto, Brooklyn.
Speaker 3: Boy.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're in New York, you're not. If
Speaker 2: you're in Brooklyn, you're not in New York. You know,
Speaker 2: he would be a guy that would get some national
Speaker 2: TV games, but not a good team Cooper Flag and Zion,
Speaker 2: the the Dookies.
Speaker 3: Maybe DC Charlotte, MM Toronto, Utah m r m hm.
Speaker 9: Yes, Marton, another year in Durham sounds pretty nice. Yes,
Speaker 9: it does, especially with Nio. Yeah, I wonder what he's
Speaker 9: making now.
Speaker 2: And you know, you get Gatorade or Nike or whoever,
Speaker 2: and he gets an endorsement deal.
Speaker 3: Let's say you make five million dollars.
Speaker 9: Yeah, he's already got the New Balance sneaker deal.
Speaker 2: Also, Oh okay, so if he's getting at least four million,
Speaker 2: if he decides to stay, maybe he gets seven eight million,
Speaker 2: And then you take your chances that, Okay. Who is
Speaker 2: going to be bad next year? Washington, Utah, Toronto, Toronto.
Speaker 2: He's gonna be like, oh damn uh all right? Eight
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Speaker 3: That's kind of ugly, is it is?
Speaker 8: None of that's really ideal.
Speaker 9: Yes, at least college basketball will have a returning superstar
Speaker 9: if he if he does decide to come back, I
Speaker 9: doubt it, but if he.
Speaker 2: Does, uh KD in Texas leads us off? Hi, KD,
Speaker 2: what's on your mind?
Speaker 5: Hey?
Speaker 4: DP, what's going on now?
Speaker 3: Hey?
Speaker 4: First time, long time, sixty one to sixty. I just
Speaker 4: wanted to call it, like, thanks man. I listen to
Speaker 4: y'all every morning. Y'all pretty much start my day off
Speaker 4: right every day. But speaking up this Cooper Black. Surely
Speaker 4: if they're gonna rig it, they got to rig it
Speaker 4: for Dallas after that Lupe trade.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I guess I guess.
Speaker 2: You want him to be able to be on a
Speaker 2: good team instead of Hey, I'm going to tune in
Speaker 2: because I did this with the Spurs. The Spurs weren't
Speaker 2: a good team, but I wanted to see when Ben Yama.
Speaker 2: I don't you know, it's tough to watch a game
Speaker 2: when you're only watching one player on the other team
Speaker 2: and go, yeah, this is entertaining. They're down fourteen at
Speaker 2: the end of the first quarter. But and you know,
Speaker 2: we're going to find out the greatness of lin Ben
Speaker 2: Yama now because he's got Dearon Fox. And that's the
Speaker 2: thing that the Spurs didn't do. They didn't have a
Speaker 2: really good point guard there, even Chris Paul. Now they do.
Speaker 2: Castle is a really good player, but you know Dearon
Speaker 2: Fox is he's an All Star and now you're going
Speaker 2: to find out how good Victor can be. You got
Speaker 2: to have players around you, plain and simple. I mean,
Speaker 2: Joker has to have somebody to throw it to. To
Speaker 2: get all these assists, you have to have some kind
Speaker 2: of talent there. And that's the problem with Cooper Flag.
Speaker 2: You go to Washington, you know, at least New Orleans
Speaker 2: you got Zion there, and Zion has played really well.
Speaker 2: The question is does he want to be there? And
Speaker 2: do they want to Now that's a team where you
Speaker 2: can say, could they have the same approach to Zion
Speaker 2: that Dallas did to Luca of do you want to
Speaker 2: give him three hundred and fifty million dollars? I would
Speaker 2: have more questions about Zion moving forward than I would
Speaker 2: have Luca because we saw Luca be out of shape,
Speaker 2: but he at least played when he was out of shape,
Speaker 2: and he played at a really high level. And they
Speaker 2: went to the NBA Finals, a year ago, Genie Buss
Speaker 2: had a comment on the trade that got them Luca,
Speaker 2: and Genie Buss was interviewed on NPR's morning edition and
Speaker 2: she said, Hey, we couldn't get past Denver. We had
Speaker 2: to do something different. Anthony Davis was complaining he didn't
Speaker 2: want to be a sinner, wanted to be a forward,
Speaker 2: and Genie Buss says, we gave up a lot to
Speaker 2: get Luca. We're happy we have him. We'd lost the
Speaker 2: last two years in a row to the Nuggets. We
Speaker 2: really didn't have anything that was going to look different
Speaker 2: going into the playoffs again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think it was a big decision
Speaker 2: to try aid whatever you traded for Luca. But that's where,
Speaker 2: if you know, you got to have a humble brag there.
Speaker 2: If you're Genie Boss, you're like, you know, and we
Speaker 2: gave up a lot, we did. You don't want to
Speaker 2: be like, can you believe we got Luca and that's
Speaker 2: all we gave up, because that's what you're thinking.
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, what do they want?
Speaker 6: They want?
Speaker 3: Ad Max Christy, what are they serious?
Speaker 9: Do it? Do it?
Speaker 4: Do it?
Speaker 3: Rob do it? Now? You imagine you hang up the phone.
Speaker 3: You gotta be gigly, Yes, Mark.
Speaker 9: What decision is worse? I'm gonna maybe not decision. But
Speaker 9: if you're the Giants GM with Saquan or if you're
Speaker 9: the Dallas GM with Luca, what's gonna age worse?
Speaker 3: Well, they got embarrassed.
Speaker 2: Imagine if Nico Harrison was doing the deal and he
Speaker 2: was on TV on camera, that would be great. If
Speaker 2: he's like a genie, You interested in Luca and then
Speaker 2: you put your hand over the phone.
Speaker 9: Are we interested in?
Speaker 3: I don't know, every be.
Speaker 6: Quite be question?
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe why what are you proposing?
Speaker 9: I think it's real thing?
Speaker 2: Oh, Anthony Davis, Max Christy, Holy you know, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: have to run this up the flagpole there. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: have to talk to Rob and JJ and you know,
Speaker 2: just make sure it's gonna work. Okay, but we got
Speaker 2: to act on this now. Okay, you know what. I'll
Speaker 2: get back to you in fifteen seconds.
Speaker 3: Oh man, I'd better think about it first.
Speaker 2: But I would just love to know at least if
Speaker 2: you're the Lakers, you have to have you have to
Speaker 2: have pause where you go why are they getting rid
Speaker 2: of this guy? That first thing I would think of
Speaker 2: Why are they getting rid of him? Because you have
Speaker 2: to ask that, why, yes.
Speaker 10: Tod, what if a Bill Belichick type with the Mavericks coach,
Speaker 10: then you're like, wait a second, something's very EFFICI.
Speaker 3: No, no, no.
Speaker 2: If Jerry West was calling good, then I would go
Speaker 2: or red our box. Then I would go, uh oh,
Speaker 2: something's not right here. All right, Mike Floria will join us.
Speaker 2: We'll get to more phone calls. I think we touched
Speaker 2: on deathbed confessional. We'll get to more phone calls coming
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Speaker 2: stumbled upon something thanks to one of our callers, deathbed
Speaker 2: confessionals in sports. If I said NFL deathbed confessional, who
Speaker 2: do you want to hear from to solve a mystery?
Speaker 7: Wow? Boy, I had never really thought about that. For years,
Speaker 7: it was the whole did frenchi Fuku touch the ball
Speaker 7: before it caramed into the hands of Frank o'harris for
Speaker 7: the immaculate reception? But that was fifty years ago. Nobody
Speaker 7: cares about that anymore. I need to think that through
Speaker 7: a bit more. There's got to be something Brady and
Speaker 7: Belichick related that we'd love to know the answer to,
Speaker 7: and we may never know the answer to.
Speaker 3: Malcolm Butler.
Speaker 7: Possibly there's a good one. What happened with Malcolm Butler?
Speaker 7: They'd have another ring if they had just used Malcolm
Speaker 7: Butler at all in Super Bowl fifty two in Minnesota
Speaker 7: when they lost to the Eagles. That's a good one.
Speaker 3: What do you think happened?
Speaker 7: Something happened that pissed off Bill Belichick to the point
Speaker 7: that he made a personal decision, not a best interest
Speaker 7: to the team decision, and he wanted to send a message.
Speaker 7: He wanted to show Malcolm Butler whose boss, and ended
Speaker 7: up doing something that he believed would cost the team
Speaker 7: the game, but that many believe cost the team the game.
Speaker 2: All right, let's look at what's happened so far since
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. Biggest surprise so far is what or who?
Speaker 7: Well, based upon the way Travis Kelsey was talking right
Speaker 7: after the Super Bowl, if you're that far down the
Speaker 7: road of retirement and his comments on the New Heights
Speaker 7: podcast just a few days after the Super Bowl, Man Dan,
Speaker 7: it sounded like he was done. It sounded like he
Speaker 7: was walking and he was just coming to terms with it,
Speaker 7: and in a few weeks we'd find out that he
Speaker 7: was moving on. The fact that he so quickly decided
Speaker 7: to come back really surprised me. And I've seen some
Speaker 7: suggestion that he was ill for the Super Bowl. Of course,
Speaker 7: illnesses don't always get disclosed on the injury report, so
Speaker 7: we didn't know he was sick. But if that explains
Speaker 7: why it kind of looked at times like he was
Speaker 7: just going through the motions out there, maybe that maybe
Speaker 7: that helps just and explain why he feels so determined
Speaker 7: to come back and go out on a higher note.
Speaker 7: Hard to get back to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 9: But with the.
Speaker 7: Chiefs, they get to the ANFC Championship game every year,
Speaker 7: so he may have a chance to walk off into
Speaker 7: the sunset with yet another rank.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you get players who chase their tail because you
Speaker 2: don't want to go out that way, but there's only
Speaker 2: one team that wins the Super Bowl. Is he okay
Speaker 2: with going out by playing a really good game in
Speaker 2: a loss.
Speaker 3: That's what I would be curious about.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And I think you're right, And it's gonna be
Speaker 7: hard for the Chiefs this year. They got a lot
Speaker 7: of work to do. The gap between them and the
Speaker 7: Eagles was made abundantly clear at the Super Bowl. So
Speaker 7: I think it's a combination of love of the sport
Speaker 7: and look, Dan, you got the rest of your life
Speaker 7: to do whatever you're gonna do next, And we know
Speaker 7: he's gonna do great things. Once you stop playing, it's done,
Speaker 7: it's gone, and it's never coming back unless you're Brett Farv.
Speaker 7: But even then, at some point it ends and it's
Speaker 7: done and it's never coming back. So I can understand
Speaker 7: why he wants to keep doing the thing he loves
Speaker 7: if he feels like he can keep doing it, because
Speaker 7: for the rest of the life his life, once he retires,
Speaker 7: he won't be doing it.
Speaker 3: Biggest story out of the combine was what.
Speaker 7: Well you mean the thriller in Vanilla Latte? That wasn't
Speaker 7: that weird When that all happened like I was both
Speaker 7: dismayed by and proud of the fact that I actually
Speaker 7: did reporting to find out what happened, why had happened,
Speaker 7: Who said what to whom?
Speaker 3: Okay, give us the background on it, Well, it was
Speaker 3: the whole.
Speaker 7: Jordan Schultz of Fox Ian Rappaport of NFL Media, they
Speaker 7: had an encounter at a Starbucks in Indy, which makes
Speaker 7: it a great coincidence because Jordan Schultz's dad was the
Speaker 7: CEO of Starbucks as it became a worldwide brand, and
Speaker 7: one guy got the other guy's face, some words were exchanged,
Speaker 7: words we can't say on an FCC regulated broadcast, and
Speaker 7: NFL Security was alerted. NFL Security investigated. And the thing
Speaker 7: about the combine is every year it's lather, rinse, repeat
Speaker 7: the same stuff. This guy's you know, this guy can't
Speaker 7: work out, this guy's not working out, and then every
Speaker 7: four or five years there's one that pops. And this
Speaker 7: is the one that popped because my wife said to me,
Speaker 7: number one, why do you care? And number two, why
Speaker 7: does anyone else care? It's like they just do things
Speaker 7: like this that are so different from the usual NFL
Speaker 7: news grind and are fascinating and bizarre and KOOKI. Everybody
Speaker 7: goes nuts for that.
Speaker 2: Have you been confronted by another member of the media
Speaker 2: or a player or GM or coach.
Speaker 7: Oh, I've been confronted verbally by several not people in
Speaker 7: the media per se. Usually it's by text, usually coaches, players, etc.
Speaker 7: It's by text. But I've had I've had an awkward
Speaker 7: encounter or two in the twenty years i've been doing this.
Speaker 7: And I'll leave it at that. Oh, I had come on,
Speaker 7: it's old news, you know, care's been like nine years ago.
Speaker 7: Dirt Cutter, remember Dirt Cutter, the former Buccaneers coach at
Speaker 7: the league meetings, and I think it was in Florida
Speaker 7: that year. I had asked him a question when I
Speaker 7: interviewed him when he got the job two months earlier,
Speaker 7: and I never heard boo after the fact that he
Speaker 7: was upset, So me, like an idiot, I go bound
Speaker 7: it over to him like a sheep dog. Hey, Dirk,
Speaker 7: how are you? And I got the verbal uppercut about
Speaker 7: the BS question, although he didn't say BS that I
Speaker 7: asked him, And he'll never do another interview with me,
Speaker 7: and he went on and on. Usually I've learned that
Speaker 7: if you just take it it peters out and then
Speaker 7: you find a way to flip it into something positive.
Speaker 7: That's the one guy who I let him chew on me.
Speaker 7: And then when it was done, I thought maybe I
Speaker 7: can flip it. No, it didn't flip, and it was
Speaker 7: never flipped. And that's my Dirk Cutter story.
Speaker 2: He's Mike Florio Pro Football Talk Live co host and
Speaker 2: you can see that program on Peacock preceding hours. The
Speaker 2: wide receiver market here free agency wise, you got DK Metcalf,
Speaker 2: you got well Debo going to the Commanders, you got
Speaker 2: DeVante Adams going to be out there, got a few
Speaker 2: of these players. Why all of a sudden, this flood
Speaker 2: of the market.
Speaker 7: Well, you've got older players who have contracts that no
Speaker 7: longer match their current skills and abilities and more importantly,
Speaker 7: what their projected skills and abilities are. And DeVante Adams
Speaker 7: is no surprise. When he was traded to the Raiders
Speaker 7: three years ago, he did a five year contract with
Speaker 7: two and this is a technical term phony Baloni back
Speaker 7: end years that were just aimed at bumping up the average.
Speaker 7: So they said, oh, he got twenty eight million dollars
Speaker 7: a year. Yeah, but the last two years of thirty
Speaker 7: five point sixty four million each year. That deal was
Speaker 7: never going to go beyond year three, and if he
Speaker 7: was going to stay with the Raiders, it would have
Speaker 7: been a major redo and restructuring. But when you're with
Speaker 7: the Jets and he's not going to do a restructuring
Speaker 7: with the Jets, Aaron Rodgers has gone. He was always
Speaker 7: going to be cut, and now he's available. He's not
Speaker 7: going to get thirty five million a year. He'll get
Speaker 7: good money. He's still got gas in the tank and
Speaker 7: he's available to anyone who wants to get him. And
Speaker 7: all the Jets have to show for that third round
Speaker 7: pick is eleven games during which they went three and eight,
Speaker 7: and I'm sure they'd love to get that third round
Speaker 7: pick back and have never done that trade.
Speaker 3: What's the market for Sam Darnald Now?
Speaker 7: Nobody really knows, because the big question is can what
Speaker 7: Sam Donald did last year with Kevin O'Connell drawing up
Speaker 7: the plays with Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison and TJ. Hawkinson
Speaker 7: catching the passes, can that be duplicated somewhere else or
Speaker 7: does he revert to the seeing ghosts Sam Donald from
Speaker 7: early in his career that Monday night game when he
Speaker 7: was with the Jets against the Patriots. So if you
Speaker 7: make a major financial investment in Donald and you can't
Speaker 7: replicate what happened in Minnesota, you made a mistake. I
Speaker 7: mean Donald, and I think a lot of it had
Speaker 7: to do with how it ended that Week eighteen game
Speaker 7: that everybody saw he got the yips at the worst
Speaker 7: possible time, biggest game of his life, and then the
Speaker 7: Vikings didn't show up across the board in the playoff game.
Speaker 7: That's the caveat now, and I think that's why the
Speaker 7: Vikings are still kind of lurking as they figure out
Speaker 7: do we go with Donald where we know what the
Speaker 7: floor is, maybe the ceiling isn't as high as we'd like,
Speaker 7: or do we go with the guy that we don't
Speaker 7: know what he's gonna because he hasn't played yet in
Speaker 7: JJ McCarthy and I have a feeling they're really wrestling Internally,
Speaker 7: people who have been dealing with the Vikings come away
Speaker 7: with the conclusion that they don't know who's running the
Speaker 7: show and calling the shots, but they're gonna have to
Speaker 7: make a decision fairly soon. They might let Donald go
Speaker 7: out there and see what's available or what's not available,
Speaker 7: and then maybe whatever they have budgeted is kind of
Speaker 7: a low ball number. Maybe that's what he takes and
Speaker 7: that makes the decision for them, But there is some dismay.
Speaker 7: And if he does like a two year deal to
Speaker 7: stay in Minnesota and the Vikings say, we'll just do
Speaker 7: the Aaron Rodgers, Jordan love JJ McCarthy sits for three years,
Speaker 7: I believe that's not going to go over well with McCarthy,
Speaker 7: and the next domino could be McCarthy saying I want out.
Speaker 2: Let me give you this scenario. I'd say, you're the
Speaker 2: Giant and you have the third pick. You could maybe
Speaker 2: sign Sam Darnald and then take Travis Hunter, or you
Speaker 2: could go up and get cam Ward. Now I got
Speaker 2: Molik neighbors, I'd have Travis Hunter and I have Sam Darnald.
Speaker 2: We're already a whole lot better than we were last year,
Speaker 2: and I don't have to get rid of draft capital.
Speaker 2: Or I can go up and I got to spend
Speaker 2: a little bit of you know, draft capital to get
Speaker 2: cam Ward, and I got a rookie contract.
Speaker 4: Here.
Speaker 3: What would you do.
Speaker 7: Well, here's the problem with the Giants. You've got an
Speaker 7: owner who's decided to keep GM, Joe Shane and Brian Daball.
Speaker 7: But the owner also said, I've just about run out
Speaker 7: of patience, so through what prison or decisions being made
Speaker 7: in New York. Is it we just got to put
Speaker 7: something together this year and get to the playoffs and
Speaker 7: we'll worry about twenty twenty six and twenty twenty seven
Speaker 7: when they come, or is it we're trying to lay
Speaker 7: the foundation for a long term contender. And this is
Speaker 7: what happens with this function teams. And I gotta give
Speaker 7: the Giants credit. They've somehow won a couple of Super
Speaker 7: Bowls this century, but by and large they're basically the
Speaker 7: same as the Jets, and there is dysfunction there. And
Speaker 7: the ultimate dysfunction is having coach and GM clearly on
Speaker 7: the hot seat and thus motivated to make short term decisions,
Speaker 7: because long term decisions don't help help us if we're
Speaker 7: not here to see the fruits of them. That's the
Speaker 7: challenge for the organization. The best long term approach is
Speaker 7: stabilized the quarterback position for years to come. The worst
Speaker 7: long term approach is to grab this short term shiny
Speaker 7: object like Aaron Rodgers and try to put a playoff
Speaker 7: run together, and then next year it's like, what do
Speaker 7: we do? I don't know. That's not good for the
Speaker 7: Giants over the long haul.
Speaker 2: You and Chris Sims talked to Shador Sanders. What four
Speaker 2: days ago, five days ago at the combine? What was
Speaker 2: your takeaway after the conversation?
Speaker 7: Great personality, magnetic and see that his dad is Dion Sanders,
Speaker 7: very worldly, kind of mature beyond his years, knows how
Speaker 7: to deal with people very well, a lot of emotional intelligence.
Speaker 7: I was impressed with him, but I knew it was
Speaker 7: gonna happen. The chatter's already begun, and I think the
Speaker 7: chatter stems from one very simple fact. When we had
Speaker 7: Deon Sanders at the Super Bowl, I pressed him on
Speaker 7: this question of are you ever interested in coaching in
Speaker 7: the NFL? Because he's given different answers over the past
Speaker 7: couple of years about that, and he told us the
Speaker 7: only way he would ever coach in the NFL is
Speaker 7: if he was coaching his son. That creates for some coaches,
Speaker 7: I think a hesitation to ever sign off on your
Speaker 7: team drafting should or Sanders because you might be signing
Speaker 7: your own pink slip because Dion ends up being the
Speaker 7: coach of the team that should ar Sanders goes to.
Speaker 7: At least that's one of the concerns that one of
Speaker 7: these coaches would have. So I think that's where some
Speaker 7: of this noise is coming from. You've got coaches who
Speaker 7: are thinking, wait a minute, I don't want to have
Speaker 7: Deon Sanders hovering over me if we have his son
Speaker 7: as our quarterback. And I think the four D chess
Speaker 7: that Dion might be playing here. By saying what he said,
Speaker 7: you scare away the coaches of the dysfunctional teams, the
Speaker 7: coaches who would be worried about outside noise from Dion,
Speaker 7: and maybe you engineer a little slide down to a
Speaker 7: team where it is stable, it isn't dysfunctional, and the
Speaker 7: coach is sufficiently secure and confident that he's not worried
Speaker 7: about the possibility that Dion Sanders would want to become
Speaker 7: the coach of the team that his son's playing for.
Speaker 7: So it could work out well for Shador. The noise
Speaker 7: that's going to start, and it's already started, it could
Speaker 7: cause him to drop, but he could drop into a
Speaker 7: good spot. Not a team with a history of derailing
Speaker 7: the careers of young quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: Paulie and I have a pie to the face bet
Speaker 2: Shador Sanders over under first five and a half picks.
Speaker 7: Wow, I would say at this point he will and
Speaker 7: I don't know what over unders. I guess it's over.
Speaker 7: I think that his window opens with the Raiders at six.
Speaker 3: Okay, don't you owe us a pie to the face?
Speaker 9: MinC.
Speaker 7: I think I owe you a couple? Yeah, thanks, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: and I'm hoping you.
Speaker 3: I know you don't want to hurt the hair, but
Speaker 3: I mean at some point I.
Speaker 7: Don't want to knock off the two pey.
Speaker 2: Your hair looks great. Thank you, just like Tom Brady's
Speaker 2: thank you. Yeah, mine's real.
Speaker 7: I don't know about his. Mine's real. My wife says,
Speaker 7: from Tom to Tom, you should just shave your head
Speaker 7: so everyone can see it's not a two pay. I
Speaker 7: am afraid of two things. Number one, it might not
Speaker 7: grow back, and number two, Dan, I am afraid that
Speaker 7: my head is misshapen, and I don't want to find
Speaker 7: out along with the rest of the world that it
Speaker 7: is not.
Speaker 3: Everybody looks like Michael Jordan with their head shaved.
Speaker 7: That's true. That's true.
Speaker 2: Scotty Pippen, I think had his head shaved one time,
Speaker 2: and I was like, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.
Speaker 3: Are you gonna be at the draft in Green Bay?
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I've been to the draft since the last time it
Speaker 7: was in New York. It's so much easier to work
Speaker 7: it from home because the only people at the draft
Speaker 7: are the people who run the cards to the to
Speaker 7: the podium. Now the players are there, but it had
Speaker 7: gotten harder and harder to get good access to them
Speaker 7: for interviews and stuff ahead of time. And we'll just
Speaker 7: do zoom interviews with them and I'll do it all
Speaker 7: from here. I go down to the barn and we
Speaker 7: do videos after every pick and it's much more effective here.
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Speaker 2: WAPP deathbed Confessional sports wise. Friend of mine sent this
Speaker 2: in during cal Ripkin's consecutive game streak. Did the Orioles
Speaker 2: cut the power to the stadium in one game because
Speaker 2: there might have been an incident between cal Ripkin and
Speaker 2: Kevin Costner and that he hurt his hand?
Speaker 3: Do you remember this? The consecutive game streak? The rumor?
Speaker 2: And I don't know enough about it. I know enough,
Speaker 2: but not enough enough about it. I remember the story
Speaker 2: as I was working at the Mother Show. We're like, wait,
Speaker 2: the lights went out.
Speaker 3: It's uh an ugly story. Yes it is. It's not good,
Speaker 3: it's not great, but.
Speaker 2: But we they the night the power went out at
Speaker 2: Camden Yards and so the consecutive game streak would continue.
Speaker 9: Uh de I.
Speaker 2: Is that a Kevin Costner deathbed confessional? Cal Ripken deathbed confessional.
Speaker 3: Dang, that's an ugly story.
Speaker 2: Now it's dark and then my friend signs it juicy.
Speaker 2: All right, yeah, okay, I see what you did there
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Speaker 2: Time to play the popular game. It's called in, in
Speaker 2: or out. You're either in or out, PAULI give us
Speaker 2: the topics here.
Speaker 5: Again, Dan, you say in if you're in, out, if
Speaker 5: you're out. I'm gonna start in the back row. The
Speaker 5: running back position in the NFL is hot again. Fritzy
Speaker 5: in on that, absolutely, see in hot, Marvin.
Speaker 2: In in in in Yeah, yeah, you're gonna have You're
Speaker 2: gonna have two running backs in the first round.
Speaker 6: I'm in in in temporarily hot or hot hot.
Speaker 3: I hope it's hot hot hot.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe they're they're coming back there we go, okay,
Speaker 2: in in in.
Speaker 5: Sam Donald's free agency has cooled dramatically Backron.
Speaker 9: I am in on that as well.
Speaker 8: I'm gonna say I'm out on that because I don't
Speaker 8: believe it was ever hot to get it.
Speaker 12: I think that was a media creation. Think that Paulie
Speaker 12: kept this alive. I no, I do think paul kept
Speaker 12: this alive. I think the media kept Sam Donald's appeal alive.
Speaker 12: I know, I don't think that the football teams were
Speaker 12: actually hot.
Speaker 5: In November and December, he threw eighteen touchdowns and two
Speaker 5: picks and then had two no show games in the season.
Speaker 8: He also had years and years and years and years
Speaker 8: of statistics before that.
Speaker 2: Marvin, are you in around? I'm in I'm in on
Speaker 2: the market cooling. I don't know if the market was
Speaker 2: as hot to begin with, but I do think that
Speaker 2: there was the Hey, Sam Donald, they brought in Sam
Speaker 2: Donald to be a backup, did JJ McCarthy. The Vikings
Speaker 2: didn't even know what they had, and they may not
Speaker 2: know what they have. But Mike Florio said he could
Speaker 2: see a scenario where Sam Darnold at a reduced rate
Speaker 2: comes back in place for the Vikings. Now, if I'm
Speaker 2: Sam Donald and I can go anywhere, I would want
Speaker 2: to go back to Minnesota with that head coach and
Speaker 2: those wide receivers ab absolutely, even for less money than
Speaker 2: going to the Raiders or going to the Giants.
Speaker 3: Yes, Paul, I.
Speaker 5: Think I'm out on that because the clock would be
Speaker 5: ticking on your time with that team. Eventually they're going
Speaker 5: to go with McCarthy eventually.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, what you're saying. I don't know how
Speaker 3: many choices he had best chance to play well. Yes,
Speaker 3: but you.
Speaker 2: Can showcase yourself for the next team in two years.
Speaker 5: We are playing the Sam Darnold game next week early
Speaker 5: next week. My total value of his contract.
Speaker 3: Oh, you're gonna have to pick out an outfit for
Speaker 3: that day.
Speaker 5: All right, here we go in or out. Now, you're
Speaker 5: not a football player, You're just a civilian. I would
Speaker 5: like to be built like DK Metcalf, but I don't
Speaker 5: play sports.
Speaker 6: I'm just built like him.
Speaker 3: And what's the downside?
Speaker 5: You're stunningly jacked and there's not a big purpose for
Speaker 5: it if you're not.
Speaker 2: Paring to walk around without a shirt on. Hell, I'd
Speaker 2: walk around without clothes.
Speaker 6: On back row.
Speaker 10: I'm totally in on that. I can pass on being
Speaker 10: some great athlete if I can be looking like that.
Speaker 3: Seatan, No, I'm out. You don't want to look like
Speaker 3: DK Metcalf. I don't want to be six four and
Speaker 3: not athletic.
Speaker 8: I don't want to be built like that and like
Speaker 8: like and then like when you see me throw a ball,
Speaker 8: it looks like this.
Speaker 9: Yes, I don't want that.
Speaker 6: I was seating. I'm out.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't want my ethnic ability in that package?
Speaker 3: Whoa packaging? Marvin gotcha?
Speaker 9: Oh mile two? I can't have that physique and work
Speaker 9: of Verizon, right.
Speaker 2: I think, you know, when I go out to the
Speaker 2: bar tonight, I think I'd be okay. Well, if I
Speaker 2: go to the beach, I'd be okay.
Speaker 5: Do you think girls like eight nine? Girls like then
Speaker 5: that eight nine category? Like a guy like Dk Metcalf,
Speaker 5: who's stunningly good looking in jacked.
Speaker 2: I've been married for thirty seven years and I still
Speaker 2: don't understand. I mean, I'm still trying to and I
Speaker 2: have three daughters. I think he's in too good a shape.
Speaker 2: I don't understand.
Speaker 3: I try. It's a moving target, yes, Todd.
Speaker 10: So if a girl sees a hot Dk metcap on
Speaker 10: the beach but he just can't seem to catch that
Speaker 10: frisbee or is having a tough time tracking down that
Speaker 10: nerf football, like, oh my god, I thought he was hot.
Speaker 2: I don't think a woman is gonna go. You know,
Speaker 2: he can't throw a frisbee. It'd be like, damn, he
Speaker 2: can't throw a frisbee. But it doesn't matter, honey.
Speaker 9: He was so good looking, but he can't catch the
Speaker 9: ball about.
Speaker 3: It all right?
Speaker 1: In or out?
Speaker 5: Paul, here we go, Damn Cooper Flagg should refuse to
Speaker 5: play for Washington if they get the number one pick.
Speaker 2: Wait all, okay Ton out, Seaton out, Marvin out, I'm out.
Speaker 6: But then your career goes in underwater.
Speaker 3: You play, you play?
Speaker 6: Uh, here's one.
Speaker 5: Lebron James will play longer than both Steph Curry and
Speaker 5: Kevin Durant In or out, Fritzy.
Speaker 8: Out, Oh man, I think I'm out because Kevin Durant
Speaker 8: plays longer.
Speaker 6: Marvin I'm out.
Speaker 2: Also, could you see a scenario when all three bow
Speaker 2: out in three years.
Speaker 6: Or all four on the same team.
Speaker 2: I think Durant will play a little bit longer and
Speaker 2: maybe Steph then Lebron. Although I see no reason for
Speaker 2: Lebron to go, let me put a timeframe on this.
Speaker 2: Interer out continue In or out.
Speaker 5: Wayne Gretzky's legacy is safer than Michael Jordan's legacy In
Speaker 5: or out.
Speaker 10: Ritzy I'm gonna say in because again the whole debate
Speaker 10: with Lebron MJ. Gretzky doesn't really have that person that
Speaker 10: people bring up next to Gretzky's name, Seaton.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be out on that.
Speaker 9: I think.
Speaker 8: I think Michael Jordan is pretty much cemented as the
Speaker 8: king of all sports.
Speaker 9: I mean.
Speaker 2: I'm out because more people have written, more things, said,
Speaker 2: more things, documentary, the Last Dance. I mean, there's so
Speaker 2: much there with Michael Jordan, and he put that out
Speaker 2: to remind people of you know, a younger generation of
Speaker 2: just he's the greatest of all time.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Right, when you look across the sports landscape, I know
Speaker 8: that one is playing and one is branding. But like
Speaker 8: Derek Jeter wore the Jordan logo, MESSI, where's the Jordan logo?
Speaker 8: Like all of the greats of every sport, where's the
Speaker 8: Jordan logo?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Poe, honest question, does Wayne Gretzky have to attend
Speaker 5: the game where Ovechkin's going to break his record?
Speaker 2: He doesn't have to, but he will because Wayne will
Speaker 2: do what's right for the sport.
Speaker 6: How many nights let's say Ovechkin goes on a.
Speaker 2: Coltst I think he's going to have to be there
Speaker 2: five nights, five nights following grade eight?
Speaker 3: Yes, Tom, when do you start following him?
Speaker 9: What have these three goals away?
Speaker 10: And gets a hat trick? Oh, I missed it.
Speaker 2: I was going to go to next then you missed him.
Speaker 2: That's it, you tried. That's in or out. You're either
Speaker 2: in or you're out. Are Luke and Lebron the best
Speaker 2: duo in the NBA? We'll talk to Jim Jackson, our
Speaker 2: good buddy, former NBA player, now an analyst. More of
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