Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: Hey, welcome to Weird House Cinema.
Speaker 3: This is Rob and this is Joe. Were we not
Speaker 3: saying our last names here? That's a change?
Speaker 2: Oh you know, no, I guess we should say our
Speaker 2: last names.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well you're Rob Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick. That's it.
Speaker 2: That sound okay, let's go with that.
Speaker 3: Okay, So it looks like this is our pilot episode.
Speaker 3: We're recording this here as a test. It may or
Speaker 3: may not see the light of day, but if you're
Speaker 3: listening to it, it obviously did.
Speaker 2: Now. We originally explored the idea of this being a
Speaker 2: standalone podcast series, but then we realized, now, the perfect
Speaker 2: place to try and roll this out would be like
Speaker 2: late night on a Friday, like at midnight. If they'd
Speaker 2: let us do that. I don't think they can to
Speaker 2: let us do that, but at any rate, Yeah, this
Speaker 2: is kind of a little bonus episode. It's not core
Speaker 2: Stuff to Blow your Mind content, but we are featuring
Speaker 2: it in the Stuff to Blow Your Mind feed on Fridays.
Speaker 2: I like to think of it as the asexual budding
Speaker 2: offspring of our science podcast stuff to blow your mind.
Speaker 2: Where Really, we've frequently over the years brought up various
Speaker 2: weird movies, generally as a means of sort of illustrating
Speaker 2: a particular scientific topic or making a particular scientific topic
Speaker 2: maybe a little more engaging, at least to us. So
Speaker 2: this is just more of the same, except we're putting
Speaker 2: the cart in front of the horse here. We're putting
Speaker 2: the movie weirdness ahead of any other concerns that would
Speaker 2: otherwise be engaged.
Speaker 3: That's right, We're putting the jack Palance in front of
Speaker 3: the horse here. Because for our inaugural episode here we
Speaker 3: are going to be talking about, without warning, a film
Speaker 3: from nineteen eighty that is so exquisite. I could not
Speaker 3: have asked for a better opening episode, Robert, you suggested
Speaker 3: this film having not seen it yourself, I believe. But
Speaker 3: when when I laid eyes on the trailer, I knew
Speaker 3: it was going to be love at first sight, and
Speaker 3: and my heart was true once I saw it. This
Speaker 3: film holds up. This is b trash for the ages.
Speaker 2: All right, let's go ahead and get a taste for
Speaker 2: this film. Let's listen to the trailer in its entirety.
Speaker 4: The Hunting Season has begun. But the Hunter isn't human,
Speaker 4: only the prey are. It came without warning, like nothing
Speaker 4: on this earth.
Speaker 2: Friends, I did.
Speaker 4: Beyond any known terror, because when it leaves this planet,
Speaker 4: no one may be left alive.
Speaker 3: Good time warning. When they start eating you, don't come
Speaker 3: to me for help.
Speaker 2: Baby.
Speaker 3: He came down with a spot he wants to give
Speaker 3: some of your t is not right now, You and
Speaker 3: me we are the prize game.
Speaker 4: The Hunter, the hunting that was no true, the thing
Speaker 4: that preys on human fear and feeds on human flesh
Speaker 4: from deepest space. It came, and now man is the
Speaker 4: endangered species. It came without warning, and now it's coming
Speaker 4: for you.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: That was something. It's pretty wonderful for a number of
Speaker 2: reasons we're going to discuss in this episode, but for
Speaker 2: me personally, one of the things I liked about it
Speaker 2: is that while while the Internet is a wonderful means
Speaker 2: of discovering new weird films, you know, everything from b
Speaker 2: movies and exploitation films to art films and even blockbusters
Speaker 2: that didn't quite you know, bust the block back in
Speaker 2: the day, that sort of thing. But this is a
Speaker 2: film that I discovered the old fashioned Way on a
Speaker 2: video rental shelf I went to Atlanta's own video drome.
Speaker 2: I was perusing the horror and science fiction and there
Speaker 2: it was a videodrome.
Speaker 3: Is the holy temple of the show. It's been a
Speaker 3: sight of pilgrimage for us for quite some time. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and it's great that they're still operating even during these
Speaker 3: are dark times by a wonderful sort of exchange system
Speaker 3: that operates out of a table at the front door.
Speaker 3: And so you can just walk right up to them
Speaker 3: and say, give me something disgusting that reminds you of
Speaker 3: The Uninvited by Graydon Clark, and you may well get
Speaker 3: without warning.
Speaker 2: Yes, because this is a directed by great on Clark,
Speaker 2: all of that film, and we'll we'll touch based on
Speaker 2: him in a bit. But before we get any further, Joe,
Speaker 2: do you want to summarize this film for us? Give
Speaker 2: us a quick breakdown on the plot?
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, the short version is that without warning, this
Speaker 3: is a movie that came out in nineteen eighty and
Speaker 3: it's Predator before Predator. When did the Schwarzenegger Predator come out,
Speaker 3: like eighty seven, eighty eight something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So this is Predator before Predator, except instead of
Speaker 3: a bug mouth gadget alien with like a laser cannon
Speaker 3: and dreadlocks, this is a fifty style big head alien,
Speaker 3: sort of a cross between the creepy clay monsters from
Speaker 3: Fire in the Sky and then just full camp Martians
Speaker 3: like the ones in Invasion of the Saucer Men. Big
Speaker 3: head a large alien compound eye is kind of a
Speaker 3: screeching a mouth. Does it make a noise? I think
Speaker 3: maybe at some point the does the Invasion of the
Speaker 3: Body Snatcher's screech?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes some sort of an animal noise at
Speaker 2: some point.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. And so instead of taking place in a
Speaker 3: vague Central American war zone, this is set somewhere in
Speaker 3: I think it's supposed to be the rural western US.
Speaker 3: I would guess rural California. And instead of Arnold Schwarzenegger
Speaker 3: and his team of commandos, you've got whiny hunters, You've
Speaker 3: got boy scouts who just sing incessantly, You've got makeout
Speaker 3: point teenes, and you've got Jack Palance. And Jack Palance,
Speaker 3: by the way, is a force of nature. In this movie.
Speaker 3: He plays a hunter. I guess half the characters are
Speaker 3: supposed to be hunters of some kind or another. We'll
Speaker 3: get to that more when we talk about the themes
Speaker 3: and message of the film later on. But Jack Palance
Speaker 3: is some kind of hunter who likes to kill animals,
Speaker 3: put their heads on the wall of his gas station,
Speaker 3: put them in jars, put them in formaldehyde. And when
Speaker 3: he talks in this film, he is human cocaine. Half
Speaker 3: of his lines are delivered literally quivering.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is a leathery intensity to this performance that,
Speaker 2: to a certain extent, you would expect from Palants. But yeah,
Speaker 2: he really brings it. There's not a sense that he
Speaker 2: missed call and phoned it in.
Speaker 3: But as for the basic plot, there's an alien who's here.
Speaker 3: It's hunting humans. It does hunt humans, including some of
Speaker 3: the actors that we're going to mention in just a minute.
Speaker 3: As it hunts them, it collects them and puts them
Speaker 3: in a water utility shed. I guess that's functioning as
Speaker 3: his temporary like food storage locker. I think there's the
Speaker 3: implication that the alien is going to eat the people.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's ever made entirely clear, but
Speaker 3: I recall that being suggested.
Speaker 2: And yeah, there's a lot of wonderful mystery about exactly
Speaker 2: what the alien is doing and why, which really works
Speaker 2: but yet also leads you wondering is this for food?
Speaker 2: It might be for food, or are they trophies perhaps
Speaker 2: their trophies, or is there something else in play here?
Speaker 2: And we're just taking our own human practices and sort
Speaker 2: of holding them up over the extraterrestrial in front of us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And so this alien is hunting humans.
Speaker 3: It doesn't use technology really at all that I can
Speaker 3: think of there. Like I said, there's no laser cannon,
Speaker 3: there are no extending wrist blades, there are no magical
Speaker 3: flying circular saw discs. Instead, it uses what I would
Speaker 3: call a jellyfish shuricken. It throws these little biological creatures
Speaker 3: that attach to people and then stab into the people
Speaker 3: with their tentacles and make the people bleed and then
Speaker 3: kill them. Is that about right?
Speaker 2: That pretty much? I like to think of them as
Speaker 2: fresh frisbees, but I think murder pancakes would also.
Speaker 3: Suffice frisbees from the seafood market.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So basically, this tall, big headed alien, which, by
Speaker 2: the way, I want to stress this is a nineteen
Speaker 2: eighties movie, a nineteen eighty film, which is key because
Speaker 2: you certainly expect that kind of a big headed alien
Speaker 2: in these older in decades pro prior, especially stuff like
Speaker 2: outer limits and so forth. But this is eighty. There
Speaker 2: is a Star Wars beach blanket that shows up in
Speaker 2: the film, and so there's something about the weirdness of that, Like,
Speaker 2: this creature is not only from a different world, he's
Speaker 2: from a different cinematic world, so he feels even more
Speaker 2: the outsider, but unlike those other cinematic big headed aliens. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's throwing these flesh frisbees around, and if one of
Speaker 2: these flesh frisbees attaches to your flesh, you're probably doomed.
Speaker 2: You have, like it seems like a few seconds in
Speaker 2: the movies, time to whip out a bowie knife and
Speaker 2: cut that sucker free. Otherwise you're done for.
Speaker 3: Though nobody seems to have that insight except Jack Palance himself.
Speaker 3: Everybody else who gets hit by one of the fresh frisbees. Wait,
Speaker 3: are we going with fresh frisbees or flesh frisbees?
Speaker 2: Either way, fresh flesh frisbees.
Speaker 3: Okay, one of the jellyfish meat frisbees attaches to you,
Speaker 3: Everybody else just goes h and then goo comes out
Speaker 3: of them and they fall over. But Jack Palance, yeah,
Speaker 3: of course he whips out his knife because I guess
Speaker 3: he's got more grit than any of the other ones,
Speaker 3: and he has the courage and the resolve to just
Speaker 3: stab right in there and get it off, like he's
Speaker 3: shucking an oyster.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, there is very much. There's an oyster shucking
Speaker 2: sense to these things. Seeah, it's never explained if the
Speaker 2: thing is the flesh frisbee it kills you so fast
Speaker 2: because it's like draining your essence or sucking your blood out,
Speaker 2: or if it's like a toxin situation. But it seems
Speaker 2: to work really well, and the movie does a good
Speaker 2: job of conveying that sense of danger.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I got the sense of a toxin from
Speaker 3: it because the flesh frisbee, the fresh flesh frisbee, is
Speaker 3: also very greasy. You know, it's like got this ooze
Speaker 3: that when Jack Palance stabs into it with his linoleum
Speaker 3: knife or whatever, it produces this oleaginous extrusion that is
Speaker 3: I don't know, it looks like it would not come
Speaker 3: out with water alone. You would need you know, goo
Speaker 3: gone or something to get rid of it, and we'll
Speaker 3: come back to that in just a little bit when
Speaker 3: we explore some monster science. But maybe first we should
Speaker 3: look at a cast of characters and associated artisans.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let's start at the top. I guess with
Speaker 2: director Greaton Clark not to be confused with tad artists
Speaker 2: great Anis and I have personally made that confusion, confusing
Speaker 2: these two. But Grayton Clark is perhaps best known, I
Speaker 2: think for directing Angel's Brigade back in nineteen seventy nine,
Speaker 2: but also the MST three k riffed Final Justice with
Speaker 2: Jodn Baker back in nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's the one with a dyspeptic Jodon Baker and
Speaker 3: he's running around Malta, right.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, Cowboy. It has some wonderful There's this one
Speaker 2: shot in that film where he has his hand on
Speaker 2: his hip and they're shoot it like between his arm
Speaker 2: and the side of his Torso it's one of my
Speaker 2: favorite bizarre shooting choices I've ever seen in a film.
Speaker 3: I also recall a joke about a felonious monk in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So Grayton Clark directed another film that came out
Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty seven, which that might be the same
Speaker 3: year that Predator came out, or maybe Predator was eighty nine,
Speaker 3: I don't know. In eighty seven, Graydon Clark made the
Speaker 3: movie Uninvited. I keep wanting to call it the Uninvited.
Speaker 3: I think there's no article. It's just Uninvited, which is
Speaker 3: about a mutant cat that gets aboard a yacht with
Speaker 3: klu Gooliger and George Kennedy and a bunch of some
Speaker 3: more makeout point teens.
Speaker 2: Basically, yeah, I haven't seen that one yet, but it's
Speaker 2: it's definitely on my list for this October.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Robert, it is a top tier creature film. You've
Speaker 3: got to see Uninvited. In fact, that should be a later,
Speaker 3: later addition to the show because it is. It is
Speaker 3: a creature film like none other. It is really unparalleled genius.
Speaker 3: It Dwelleth at the top of the creature film Zigarat.
Speaker 2: All right, well, okay, so we got Clark on board.
Speaker 2: Here another key individual makeup artist Greg Cannum. I now
Speaker 2: I should know that that sometimes Rick Baker name is
Speaker 2: attached to this film. Apparently he was involved in the
Speaker 2: film early on and actually made the alien head and
Speaker 2: designed some of the effects and then handed duties off
Speaker 2: to fellow FX makeup with Greg Cannum and Canum ends up,
Speaker 2: you know, completing everything. Canum is another superstar of special
Speaker 2: effects makeup. He went on to work on everything from
Speaker 2: Bromstoker's Dracula and Highlander two to most recently. I believe
Speaker 2: he was involved in that Christian Bale Dick Cheney makeup
Speaker 2: for that movie.
Speaker 3: Wece Oh wow, wow, Okay, well I see the through line. Actually,
Speaker 3: did he do the old man makeup for Connor MacLeod
Speaker 3: and Highlander two? And did he do the old man
Speaker 3: makeup for Gary Oldman in bram Stoker's Dracula and the
Speaker 3: old man makeup for Christian Bale and Vice?
Speaker 2: I would bet that that is the case.
Speaker 3: Yes, three extraordinary works, each of each of their own genre,
Speaker 3: as long as you consider that the stuff they put
Speaker 3: on Christoph Lambert is supposed to be oily looking and funny.
Speaker 2: Now, of course, the thing about effects in a film
Speaker 2: like this is they can look amazing, but it also
Speaker 2: comes down to how you shoot them and indeed how you
Speaker 2: light them. Oh, and that leads to our next future
Speaker 2: superstar that was involved in this picture.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dean Coundy. So Dean Coundy is a legendary cinematographer
Speaker 3: and director of photography. He's a member of the ASC.
Speaker 3: If you just think about a movie that is effortlessly
Speaker 3: visually absorbing, something that is constantly pleasing and interesting to
Speaker 3: look at without really calling attention to itself as flashy photography,
Speaker 3: and I think that there is a good chance that
Speaker 3: you're watching a Dean Coundy movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, I have to say with this film, it
Speaker 2: doesn't start off feeling like Cundy's presence is there because
Speaker 2: early on in the film, everything is in just stark daylight.
Speaker 2: You wake up late and arrive in this movie around
Speaker 2: noon in Littel, California, so everything has hungover to yeah,
Speaker 2: a little bit hungover. Everything's just super bright. It looks
Speaker 2: like it's probably hot and you should maybe be in
Speaker 2: a library somewhere or you want to crawl back into
Speaker 2: a trailer or something. So you know, that's the first
Speaker 2: section of the film. But eventually the sun goes down,
Speaker 2: and when the sun goes down in this movie, Kundy's
Speaker 2: lighting comes up, and that's when everything begins to take
Speaker 2: on an entirely new feel because that's when we see
Speaker 2: more and more of the monster, but then we also
Speaker 2: see more and more of these kind of and really
Speaker 2: at times monstrous character actor faces that are also lit
Speaker 2: up just so well. Some of the best scenes in
Speaker 2: the film are just character actors well lit.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. I would actually go
Speaker 3: disagree just a little bit that I think there's some
Speaker 3: really good photography and the film has a good look
Speaker 3: even in some of the daylight scenes. I definitely agree
Speaker 3: that it became more interesting to look at once you
Speaker 3: get to the nighttime. But there are a couple of
Speaker 3: daylight scenes that remind me of scenes in Halloween. Of course,
Speaker 3: Dean Cundy famously worked with John Carpenter on movies like
Speaker 3: Halloween and the Thing you Remember in Halloween how there
Speaker 3: will be these scenes that are just in broad daylight,
Speaker 3: and it'll be a creepy wide shot with Michael Myers
Speaker 3: standing somewhere in the distance and not really moving or
Speaker 3: doing anything all that menacing. He's just there in the
Speaker 3: mid ground background. And those are I think some of
Speaker 3: the most effective shots in Halloween. They really color how
Speaker 3: you experience the film. There are shots like that in
Speaker 3: Without Warning too. There's like a shot where a hunter
Speaker 3: is looking around at a field just with kind of
Speaker 3: like dead grass and overgrown weeds, and there is some
Speaker 3: figure with a large head just kind of standing in
Speaker 3: the distance behind the tall grass, not moving, and I
Speaker 3: thought it was an incredibly effective shot for such a
Speaker 3: low grade movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I do admit that some of those daylight
Speaker 2: scenes are creepy in that they convey that sense of
Speaker 2: the terror that stalks in the daylight is perhaps even
Speaker 2: more dangerous than that which stalks at night.
Speaker 3: But I agree in general Dean Coundy he's just got
Speaker 3: the magic touch, and it's especially magic once night comes
Speaker 3: on and he's messing around with lighting. There are scenes
Speaker 3: that are filmed inside a house, a sort of a
Speaker 3: hunting cabin where there's a sudden boo scare where the
Speaker 3: alien pops out from the corner of a room and
Speaker 3: I think points with his finger. Very again, very invasion
Speaker 3: of the body snatcher's style, but it's a very effective
Speaker 3: boo scare. Actually.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I have to throw in that the Shout Factory
Speaker 2: Scream Factory edition of this movie that came out on
Speaker 2: DVD and Blu Ray several years back has some special features,
Speaker 2: and one of them is Kundy talking about the film
Speaker 2: and it's really insightful. He for instance, brings up the
Speaker 2: fact that the monster costume looked really good and you
Speaker 2: had this maybe temptation to want to show a lot
Speaker 2: of it, but he held back. And you know, you
Speaker 2: depend on a little bit more shadow and mystery. So
Speaker 2: there are certain details on that monster head that you
Speaker 2: just don't necessarily get in the final feature, Like it
Speaker 2: has kind of compound eyes, yes, and you never complete
Speaker 2: I don't think you ever get a sense of that
Speaker 2: in the film, But ultimately you don't need it because
Speaker 2: great costume plus great lighting equals great experience.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, the monster is often in shadow, and
Speaker 3: this actually works to great effect. Again, it's a common
Speaker 3: feature you see when people are talking about Dean Kundy
Speaker 3: movies on the internet. I think a lot of times
Speaker 3: they don't even know that they're The reason they're saying
Speaker 3: this is that it's a Dean Kundy movie. But you
Speaker 3: see this thing in reviews over and over, a sentence
Speaker 3: like this trashy b movie is much more watchable than
Speaker 3: it has any right to be. I think it's that's
Speaker 3: just Dean. That's Dean work and his stuff, and a
Speaker 3: lot of it has to do with lighting. And good
Speaker 3: framing and pleasant cinematography. I don't know if pleasant's the
Speaker 3: right word, but it's interesting to look at, you know,
Speaker 3: it's visually not boring.
Speaker 2: Speaking of visually not boring, we've already touched on Jack
Speaker 2: Palance's presence in this and I think one of the
Speaker 2: key things about Jack Palance again, the intensity is great,
Speaker 2: but there is an inherent weirdness that Palance brings to
Speaker 2: any picture, whether you're looking at a blockbuster film that
Speaker 2: he was in. You know, if you're looking at you
Speaker 2: could be looking at City Slickers or Batman or Shane
Speaker 2: or Outlaw of Gore or anything like when he shows up, Like,
Speaker 2: if there's nothing else weird about the film, Palance is
Speaker 2: the weirdness.
Speaker 3: It's like he's always just about to start telling you
Speaker 3: about his erotic model train hobby. It's just he's got
Speaker 3: secrets and they're bursting out, they're about to leak out
Speaker 3: of his face.
Speaker 2: I should also add that Palance has this kind of
Speaker 2: captain ahab vibe throughout the film too, so you're never
Speaker 2: really sure if you can trust him him. You're not
Speaker 2: really sure if you can trust the character. And I
Speaker 2: think there's there's something about that that Palance brings to
Speaker 2: most films, like you look, just look at him, and
Speaker 2: this is not leading man, this is not the hero.
Speaker 2: This is a potential villain at least. And so, yeah,
Speaker 2: he really feels like this tweener character.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that. You walk into his gas
Speaker 3: station and he starts talking to you about hunting and
Speaker 3: that sort of thing. You don't know if you can
Speaker 3: rely on him when he later shows up in the
Speaker 3: dark with a gun.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, one of the beautiful things about this film
Speaker 2: is that Jack Palance is not the only creepy old
Speaker 2: man character played by an established character actor, because we
Speaker 2: also have Martin Landau in this picture.
Speaker 3: No, they really swung for the bleachers, I mean with
Speaker 3: the casting here. So it's got Martin Landel. Also Martin Landel,
Speaker 3: I'd say one of my favorite old character actors. He
Speaker 3: gives one of the best movie performances of all time
Speaker 3: playing Bello Legosi and Tim Burton's ed Wood. I've kind
Speaker 3: of you know, I hate to talk smack, but I've
Speaker 3: kind of gotten tired of Tim Burton movies in the
Speaker 3: modern era. But when you go back to some of
Speaker 3: the Tim Burton stuff from the nineties, it's so lively
Speaker 3: and fantastic, and Edwood is one of the best examples
Speaker 3: of that. Of course, it's about a schlock movie maker himself.
Speaker 3: What's his name, Edward? No, no, no, I mean no,
Speaker 3: who plays Edwood? What's the actor? The actor Johnny Depp?
Speaker 2: So, yeah, yeah, Johnny dep Yeah, yeah, sorry.
Speaker 3: Johnny Depp plays Edwood. And of course, late in life, Edwood,
Speaker 3: the schlock filmmaker, actually did form a relationship with the
Speaker 3: great actor Bella Lagosi and cast him in some of
Speaker 3: his films, and this is portrayed in the movie with
Speaker 3: with Martin Landau playing Bella Lagosi as a kind of tired,
Speaker 3: washed up, ornery version of himself.
Speaker 2: A quick note, Martin Landau has a lot of vampire
Speaker 2: in the family, because not only did he play Bella Lagosi,
Speaker 2: but his daughter Susan Finch was one of the producers
Speaker 2: of brom Stokers Dracula, and his other daughter Juliet played
Speaker 2: Drusella on Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
Speaker 3: Oh, we've looked that up before when we were watching Buffy. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I remember, we discovered that fact and it was just
Speaker 3: a delight. Martin Landau is so lovable as Bella and
Speaker 3: even in this movie where he's not playing a lovable character,
Speaker 3: he's somehow lovable anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I guess it's more of a like his
Speaker 2: character goes the way you really expect Palance's character to go,
Speaker 2: because he plays this character named Sarge who's a like
Speaker 2: an army vat. I guess we're supposed to believe, and
Speaker 2: he we learned increasingly learned that he has some some
Speaker 2: serious psychological baggage. And so even though he is aware
Speaker 2: that there's some sort of alien presence in the local
Speaker 2: area causing mischief, he heaps like additional conspiracy theory on
Speaker 2: top of that additional psychotic thinking where he believes also
Speaker 2: that the alien might be in disguising itself with various
Speaker 2: people that they you know, there's a real conspiracy going
Speaker 2: on when there isn't, but it may make for it's
Speaker 2: sort of a sort of a surprise villain in the film.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's he's he plays the unfortunate role of like
Speaker 3: the teens. Okay, maybe we should actually summarize the plot
Speaker 3: a little bit more to get up to those points. So, so, like, uh,
Speaker 3: it starts off with there are a pair of hunters
Speaker 3: who are out hunting. There's this older hunter played by
Speaker 3: Cameron Mitchell we can talk about in a minute. And
Speaker 3: then he's got this younger son with a mustache who
Speaker 3: doesn't like hunting and doesn't want to be outdoors and
Speaker 3: it's just whining. And then they both get killed by
Speaker 3: the alien. Okay, it's your classic, you know, prolog a
Speaker 3: slaughter in a horror movie, right. And then you've got
Speaker 3: the makeout point teens who show up in a van. They're,
Speaker 3: you know, the classic teens from the city. They want
Speaker 3: to go swimming at the lake and so they're hanging
Speaker 3: out in their bathing suits in their van. They stop
Speaker 3: at the gas station that I believe belongs to Jack
Speaker 3: Palance to get gas presumably, but they end up going
Speaker 3: in the bathroom and running into Martin Landau as Sarge,
Speaker 3: who it's kind of creepy, and then just disappears. And
Speaker 3: then they make it to the lake and then the
Speaker 3: slaughtering starts. The alien praise on one of the one
Speaker 3: couple of the teens, and then the other couple of
Speaker 3: teens run for help at a local bar, and then
Speaker 3: once they're at the bar, they run into Sarge and
Speaker 3: they're saying there's an alien trying to kill us, and
Speaker 3: Sarge believes them, but unfortunately he also I think, ends
Speaker 3: up believing that they are aliens themselves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is ultimately a clever idea, like having the
Speaker 2: two old men, creepy old men that you run into.
Speaker 2: One is going to be more more of a benefit
Speaker 2: than the other by far right. But Landau does a
Speaker 2: great job in this, brings a real kind of crazy
Speaker 2: intensity to it. And you know, I don't know that
Speaker 2: I remember seeing him play as much of like a
Speaker 2: deranged villain character before in a film. A lot of
Speaker 2: the things I'd seen him in he was more of
Speaker 2: a really more of a leading man or hero. I
Speaker 2: finally remember him on the seventies TV show Space nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety nine, which was rerun like crazy at one point
Speaker 2: in the on the Sci Fi Channel.
Speaker 3: He's actually in a really great old episode of The
Speaker 3: Twilight Zone where I believe he plays some kind of
Speaker 3: Eastern Bloc agent who's trying to defect in one episode,
Speaker 3: and he is being pursued by assassins in the company
Speaker 3: that he's trying from the country that he's trying to
Speaker 3: defect from, and they have booby trapped his hotel room
Speaker 3: with a bomb, and so it's his job to try
Speaker 3: to figure out where the bomb in the room is.
Speaker 3: And it's a nice tight little bottle episode.
Speaker 2: All right. So Landau's great in this, But let let's
Speaker 2: talk about some of the other actors here. You have
Speaker 2: Kevin Peter Hall playing the monster, the Hunter itself, and
Speaker 2: Hall is a legendary monster player who most ironically went
Speaker 2: on to play the Predator in both Predator one and two.
Speaker 3: So this is where things almost get kind of suspicious,
Speaker 3: and you wonder, like, I don't know about the screenwriter
Speaker 3: who wrote Predator, but did they actually watch this movie?
Speaker 3: Were they actually just ripping it off?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, I think we'll get into
Speaker 2: that a little bit when we discussed the ideas behind it,
Speaker 2: sort of the mythic underpinnings of the film. But maybe
Speaker 2: Kevin Peter Hall also played some other monsters during his time.
Speaker 2: He sadly died in nineteen ninety one, but before then
Speaker 2: he played the mutant Bear in the nineteen seventy nine
Speaker 2: film Prophecy. He also played Harry and Harry in the
Speaker 2: Henderson's Heart Eyes Bulging, Yeah, Yeah, and he was Big
Speaker 2: John in Big Top Peewee. Yeah, so famously a very
Speaker 2: tall actor, great you know, great presence for creature type roles.
Speaker 2: And you know what I got to say, his body
Speaker 2: performance as the Predator in the Predator film kind of
Speaker 2: makes it. I know, originally they had cast Jean Claude
Speaker 2: van Dam to play the Predator and no offense to
Speaker 2: Jean Claude van Dam, but I don't know if that
Speaker 2: would have been as effective in the movie, especially standing
Speaker 2: next to Arnold Schwarzenegger, like the aliens literally smaller than him. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Like the stature is key, I think.
Speaker 3: But also no, he's got a great physicality in the
Speaker 3: role too, like the way he you know, moves his
Speaker 3: arms and his stance and all that. He really knew
Speaker 3: how to play a non speaking role.
Speaker 2: Now, this movie also gave us a key cinematic debut
Speaker 2: the Ginger baby Face himself, David Caruso.
Speaker 3: David Caruso, So he plays one of the makeout point
Speaker 3: teenes in this He's one of the ones that unfortunately
Speaker 3: does not make it all the way to the bar.
Speaker 3: He and his girlfriend are swimming in the lake. I
Speaker 3: think the last time we see them, they're literally on
Speaker 3: a towel getting ready for some makeout action and then
Speaker 3: they just end up later in the waterworks shed. But
Speaker 3: so he is, he's very ginger, and he's wearing shorts
Speaker 3: in this movie that are so short they insert the
Speaker 3: axis of time and space. I'm like, I can't believe
Speaker 3: that people once wore shorts that short.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. He would, of course go on
Speaker 2: to just make a career out of playing mostly cops
Speaker 2: and detectives and occasionally criminals who basically seem like cops.
Speaker 2: But that's his point. He was only twenty four years
Speaker 2: old and he just plays a horny teen who gets
Speaker 2: himself killed by an alien.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But then also we have a veteran character actor,
Speaker 3: Cameron Mitchell, who I mentioned that earlier. He's in the prologue.
Speaker 3: He's one of the hunters who gets killed at the
Speaker 3: beginning of the movie. And I must admit, the whole
Speaker 3: time I was watching him in the prologue, I thought
Speaker 3: he was Jack Palance because he kind of looks like him.
Speaker 2: He has his face does a very similar thing to Palances, like,
Speaker 2: you just do not trust it. You know that something
Speaker 2: is up when Cameron Mitchell like Locke's eyes with you.
Speaker 3: For fans of Mystery Science Theater three thousand. Cameron Mitchell
Speaker 3: is maybe best known for playing the Santa Claus guy
Speaker 3: in Space Mutiny. He's the old man with the white beard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's one of the Ultimately, I feel like
Speaker 2: it's such a deserved because that was probably the first
Speaker 2: thing I saw him in and where in which I
Speaker 2: recognized him as Cameron Mitchell. But generally he just plays
Speaker 2: heavies and villains. And so if you watch most of
Speaker 2: his work from before Space Mutiny, those are the kind
Speaker 2: of characters he plays, like dangerous men, unsavory characters. And
Speaker 2: and here again he plays an unsavory character who is
Speaker 2: at one point just going to murder his own son
Speaker 2: because he doesn't like hunting in the outdoors.
Speaker 3: Because he doesn't like hunting. That is that is the
Speaker 3: reason we're given.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But anyway, Cameron Mitchell always of an interesting presence
Speaker 2: in a film he worked. He worked with Mario Bava
Speaker 2: a lot, for example. But I have also found that
Speaker 2: nobody dies ten minutes into a film quite like Cameron Mitchell.
Speaker 2: He has pulled this in other films.
Speaker 3: He's got a real dirty rat face.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, a few other just older actors have noted
Speaker 2: here Larry Storch shows up as a scout master. Neville
Speaker 2: Brand plays one of the drunks in the bar, and
Speaker 2: he has a He's another one of these character acts
Speaker 2: with just a real landslide of a face, just a
Speaker 2: total character actor, who, by the way, played the killer
Speaker 2: in Toby Hooper's Eating Alive from seventy six.
Speaker 3: Oh, the movie with the Gator Hotel.
Speaker 2: I think that's the one. Is like the cover is
Speaker 2: like he it's it's the cover is just a Neville
Speaker 2: Brand with a big sickle or something. Yeaheah.
Speaker 3: I think that's right. I could be wrong, but yeah,
Speaker 3: so so he's great. I must say one of the
Speaker 3: other teens, the male teen who survives longer into the movie.
Speaker 3: I hate to bring politics into it, but it's Scaramucie.
Speaker 3: He's baby Scaramoucie. That's exactly what he looks like. Maybe
Speaker 3: sort of a cross between him and Casper van Deen.
Speaker 3: He's got that that Van Den, sort of like a
Speaker 3: forest creature.
Speaker 2: I I have to say that both of the teens
Speaker 2: that last the longest in the film, those actors, I
Speaker 2: think were mainly stunt workers, but I thought they did
Speaker 2: a fine job as far as is like teen leads
Speaker 2: in a horror movie from nineteen eighty go. I have
Speaker 2: no problem with them at all. I thought they did
Speaker 2: a pretty good job.
Speaker 3: Yeah, neither of them appears to have done all that
Speaker 3: much else. The girl who sort of becomes the final
Speaker 3: girl in the movie. She is played by an actress
Speaker 3: named Tara Nutter, who I saw was also in some
Speaker 3: movie with Ron Howard about an evil company that's poisoning farmland.
Speaker 3: M Okay, yeah, not a hugely extensive acting career. Well,
Speaker 3: maybe now we should get infuriatingly granular about the physical
Speaker 3: reality imagined by this film.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's time for a little monster science, because ultimately,
Speaker 2: this is often the case if you have a suitably
Speaker 2: weird creature, monster, or even just monstrous scenario in a film,
Speaker 2: there's we always found that there's generally something in nature
Speaker 2: that is as weird, if not weirder. And this is
Speaker 2: the same it's gonna be said about this film. So
Speaker 2: we already touched on the fact that, unlike the predator,
Speaker 2: this hunter doesn't use technology to hunt its prey. No,
Speaker 2: it uses other organisms. It uses flesh, frisbees, I mean,
Speaker 2: presumably they're other organisms. I guess it's possible that it
Speaker 2: is like hatching these from its chest and then collecting
Speaker 2: them in its purse or satchel and then flinging them out.
Speaker 2: But I think the predominant interpretation, the fair interpretation, would
Speaker 2: be that these are other organisms that it has. Maybe
Speaker 2: it raises them in a tank somewhere, Maybe it goes
Speaker 2: to some weird moon and collects them like a mushroom harvester.
Speaker 2: But at any rate, it comes to Earth with a
Speaker 2: sack of these things looking for a good hunt. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the jellyfish shirocin as I mentioned, I think maybe
Speaker 3: you could think of them as technology, but they're definitely
Speaker 3: not like inert like mechanical technology. If there are technology
Speaker 3: at all, their biotechnology, these things are definitely alive in
Speaker 3: some way. They use They're full of oleaginousts, you know, substances.
Speaker 3: They got like little tentacle that poke out. They squeal
Speaker 3: I think when you stab them. So they're definitely alive
Speaker 3: in some way. And yeah, I was curious about the
Speaker 3: same thing. Are these like part of him part of
Speaker 3: the Hunter in some way? We don't. I don't think
Speaker 3: we ever see them come off of his body in
Speaker 3: the movie. He just throws them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they come out of a satchel or purse.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, so it makes me think maybe there's some
Speaker 3: kind of organism that he has collected from the natural
Speaker 3: world on his home planet, or like you say, like
Speaker 3: a moon or something. They made me think. Actually, I
Speaker 3: recall back in the very first half Life game, there
Speaker 3: was a weapon you could get. There were basically these
Speaker 3: little alien rats and I don't remember exactly what they
Speaker 3: were called, but you get like a bag of these
Speaker 3: alien rats and you could kind of throw them into
Speaker 3: a room and they'd run around and attack whatever was
Speaker 3: in the room. But if you ran into the room yourself,
Speaker 3: you were also vulnerable to them. They could like turn
Speaker 3: around and attack you. And I wondered if the same
Speaker 3: thing would be true of the flesh frisbees in this movie,
Speaker 3: Like could they turn against their master. I don't think
Speaker 3: we see a character try to employ that method, but
Speaker 3: we never see it work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she didn't really have a good thrown arm on her.
Speaker 3: No. So one thing about these projectiles that I was
Speaker 3: looking for biological parallels to is the fact that they
Speaker 3: are so obviously slimy and oleaginous. Right, they look greasy.
Speaker 3: You get repeated close ups of the slime and the
Speaker 3: mucus they produce, and it looks oily to me. It
Speaker 3: looks like you'd need some good soap or something to
Speaker 3: get it off. And as a point of comparison in
Speaker 3: the natural world, I do want to mention a very
Speaker 3: alarming grease throwing animal which is a type of petrol,
Speaker 3: a kind of bird of the southern half of the
Speaker 3: world which projects a greasy slime vomit against other birds
Speaker 3: as a defensive tactic. The most the bird best known
Speaker 3: for this is a type of bird called full mars,
Speaker 3: where they will spit out of their mouth a type
Speaker 3: of stomach oil that if it gets on the feathers
Speaker 3: of an attacking birds an eagle type predator, it makes
Speaker 3: it undercuts the feathers ability to be waterproof and it
Speaker 3: hurts their ability to fly. So birds have actually died
Speaker 3: because they were spit on with this mucous vomit oil
Speaker 3: stuff from the full mar's stomach. They were in fact
Speaker 3: like cases I was reading of where birds like auks
Speaker 3: were put in an enclosure with a full mar and
Speaker 3: then got vomited on and died. Oh wow, so you
Speaker 3: don't want this oil on you. I was also reading
Speaker 3: in a post on Scientific American about how sometimes the
Speaker 3: chicks of these full mars will just basically spit this
Speaker 3: oil at anything that gets close to them, including their
Speaker 3: own parents, and they have to like mature out of
Speaker 3: that over time, and the parents apparently can defend themselves
Speaker 3: by preening, by removing it, you know, from their feathers
Speaker 3: with their beaks. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at a picture of one of these right now,
Speaker 2: and it's like a vile orange grease that seems to
Speaker 2: be flying out of this creature's mouth.
Speaker 3: You don't want to get the goo on you. And
Speaker 3: just like in the movie, you don't want to get
Speaker 3: the goo on you. But it also is much more
Speaker 3: than goo. It's an organism in itself. And I was
Speaker 3: trying to think, you know, are there any animals could
Speaker 3: I could find examples of that threw a more complex thing,
Speaker 3: like like the flesh frisbees in this movie that actually
Speaker 3: does something. I was having trouble finding good examples of
Speaker 3: something that actually throws something more than just an object
Speaker 3: from its environment or a liquid from its body.
Speaker 2: Yeah, offhand, I can't think of a good example of
Speaker 2: that either. Yeah, generally animals are going to manipulate you know,
Speaker 2: it's like sand or dirt shell that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: But one example that I came across that's probably the
Speaker 2: best example of an organism using organisms as some sort
Speaker 2: of a tool or indeed some sort of a weapon,
Speaker 2: and that is to look at the boxing crab or
Speaker 2: pom pob crab found in the genus Libya. These are
Speaker 2: these are little guys. These are like two centimeters or
Speaker 2: point seven inches wide, so they're not very big crabs.
Speaker 2: But they have this wonderful adaptation where they will they
Speaker 2: will collect or acquire and that's part of the mystery,
Speaker 2: these little anemonies. And they'll have one in each claw
Speaker 2: and they'll brandish them almost like a pair of nunchucks
Speaker 2: or something. They will they'll wave them around when they're doing,
Speaker 2: you know, various displays for other crabs. But they also
Speaker 2: seem to use them to collect food. And there's a
Speaker 2: mutualism in play here because the anemy gets you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's far more mobile if a crab is carrying
Speaker 2: it around. But I was looking at a twenty thirteen
Speaker 2: study from Barilan University and they were really getting into
Speaker 2: how do they acquire these particular anemonies, and they found that,
Speaker 2: for instance, if they lose their anenemy, they may steal
Speaker 2: one from somebody else. If they have only one, they'll
Speaker 2: rip it in half so that they have two. And
Speaker 2: that particular study, they were looking at one variety of
Speaker 2: boxing crab, and they pointed out that the variety of
Speaker 2: anemony that the crab used had not been found yet
Speaker 2: in the wild. Now, that could just mean we just
Speaker 2: had not found it yet. There are a lot of
Speaker 2: organisms in the wild that we have not fully charged, obviously,
Speaker 2: But the other possibility is that it is essentially a domesticated,
Speaker 2: fully cultivated species that has henceforth gone extinct in the wild,
Speaker 2: and it is only carried on by these crabs that
Speaker 2: use them as a sort of tool or weapon.
Speaker 3: It's like an agricultural product of the crab society.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean you could compare it in that
Speaker 2: respect to leafcutter ants and the crop they grow. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I love the idea of comparing the boxing crab to
Speaker 2: the hunter from without Warning because it makes you wonder, like,
Speaker 2: what kind of evolutionary path led the hunter here? Did
Speaker 2: it grow up cultivating its weapon race of deathly flying discs?
Speaker 2: And just you know, it ends up being part of
Speaker 2: the way it lives its life. Eventually they start making
Speaker 2: satchels to carry them in. Maybe at some point they
Speaker 2: were like exo parasites that collected on their body and
Speaker 2: then they started using them offensively. I don't know.
Speaker 3: That would not be the only case in nature of
Speaker 3: something that begins as a parasite but then eventually is
Speaker 3: adopted into a kind of mutualism with the host.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: In fact, I think that could probably be said to
Speaker 3: be the case for a lot of you know, the
Speaker 3: regular microbiota that lives on and in all of us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I should add that we never see the alien
Speaker 2: hunter without his outfit on. If they were to pull
Speaker 2: that costume off, perhaps he's just covered with him. They
Speaker 2: just suckered all over.
Speaker 3: Him, right, or they're just like coming out of a
Speaker 3: little like a printer slot in his belly. Now we
Speaker 3: mentioned at some point the character played by the actress
Speaker 3: Tara Nutter tries to throw one of these things back
Speaker 3: at the alien, you know, to turn his weapons against him,
Speaker 3: and it fails, like throws it and it falls short
Speaker 3: of him. So you never since that would it have
Speaker 3: worked if it had hit him, Like if she was
Speaker 3: able to hit him with this thing. Would it latch
Speaker 3: on and poison him and do its thing like it
Speaker 3: does with humans, or you know, is it just like it?
Speaker 3: Would he be immune to it? Anyway? The movie does
Speaker 3: not solve this riddle that it itself has posed, but
Speaker 3: maybe that would be a good place to talk about
Speaker 3: what happens at the end of the film, because that's
Speaker 3: when she throws the disc. So there are various encounters
Speaker 3: where the teens are running around. The surviving teens are
Speaker 3: being pursued by Martin Landau who at some point he
Speaker 3: gets a police car and he's like driving after them
Speaker 3: in it.
Speaker 2: Oh, well, there's this wonderful scene where the police officer
Speaker 2: shows up, yeah to save the day, and Sarge shoots
Speaker 2: him dead.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: And then of course more police come to arrest Sarge.
Speaker 2: But then Sarge apparently steals the police vehicle and shows
Speaker 2: up in the police car. You think the bo the
Speaker 2: police are here to save the teens. No, it's Sarge again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Sarge shoots the police officer because he
Speaker 3: thinks s he's an alien. Yes, And then yeah, so
Speaker 3: he's in the police car. He's chasing the teens around
Speaker 3: and then At some point, the teens escape and they
Speaker 3: go into a hunting cabin or a house, and then
Speaker 3: the movie gets kind of quiet for a bit where
Speaker 3: they're just chilling out in the house. They're looking around
Speaker 3: the baby. Scaramushi bruised this pot of coffee and then
Speaker 3: presumably drinks it all from It looks like he drinks
Speaker 3: about four gallons of coffee and then dies in a chair.
Speaker 2: I remember him going to make the coffee, saying he's
Speaker 2: going to stay up all night and protect her. Why
Speaker 2: don't you sleep? And I wanted to be like, oh, sweetie,
Speaker 2: that's not how coffee works. You can't just brew a
Speaker 2: pot of coffee and that's going to keep alone, is
Speaker 2: going to keep you up all night?
Speaker 3: Yeah, how much coffee do I need in order to
Speaker 3: stay up all night? I would guess about four gallons. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that'll get me through. So he's dead in a chair
Speaker 3: when we find him with a flesh frisbee attached to
Speaker 3: his face. So you might assume, okay, the alien killed him,
Speaker 3: but it's also quite possible he just died of diarrhea
Speaker 3: from the four gallons of coffee. Before that, the alien
Speaker 3: just stuck the flesh frisbee on there, kind of as
Speaker 3: an afterthought, but then we get a chase. The alien
Speaker 3: is chasing Tera Nutter around and Jack Palance shows up
Speaker 3: to help her, and Jack Palance reveals that he has
Speaker 3: laid a trap for the alien that now the Aliens shed,
Speaker 3: the former water utilities shed that has all the dead
Speaker 3: bodies in it, is rigged with dynamite and they're going
Speaker 3: to lure the alien back to the shed and blow
Speaker 3: him to pieces. And essentially this process works, except that
Speaker 3: at some point Sarge shows up and temporarily foils their plan,
Speaker 3: and then he gets killed by the alien. Unfortunately, Jack
Speaker 3: Palance gets flesh frisbeed a lot, and no amount of
Speaker 3: cutting off the flesh frisbees will save him, so instead
Speaker 3: he sacrifices himself, charging straight on at the alien and yelling,
Speaker 3: and you can just tell when they film the scene
Speaker 3: they were looking around at each other thinking did we
Speaker 3: ever give the alien a name? Does it have a name,
Speaker 3: And the answer is no, so he just yells.
Speaker 2: Alien yeah really. He does ultimately have his Captain Ahab moment. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, from the heart of Hell, I stab at the
Speaker 3: I guess from the heart of Hell, I run at
Speaker 3: the alien.
Speaker 2: Yeah. If he presumably pulls it off.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeh see. He grabs the alien around the ankles
Speaker 3: and then they blow it to pieces with the dynamite
Speaker 3: and the day is saved.
Speaker 2: But that's why Palents didn't get to play Ahab in
Speaker 2: a film adaptation to Mobi Dick, because he's like, and
Speaker 2: then I killed the whale. That's how this goes, and
Speaker 2: they're like, no, no, it's not exactly how the novel goes,
Speaker 2: and he's like, it doesn't matter. I tink a run
Speaker 2: it that whale, I take it down.
Speaker 3: I thought you were gonna say. That's why he never
Speaker 3: played Ahab, because he's like, I've already done that role.
Speaker 2: It's perfect.
Speaker 3: No adaptation of Moby Dick could rival without warning. Do
Speaker 3: I get to run at the whale yelling? Well, perhaps
Speaker 3: we should talk about what is this film trying to say?
Speaker 3: If it is trying to say anything. I do think
Speaker 3: this one is trying to say something, but I'm not
Speaker 3: quite sure it's sure what that is, but I can
Speaker 3: tell you it is something about hunting. The film is
Speaker 3: clearly a meditation on the theme of hunting, because the
Speaker 3: alien is a hunter and they just really beat you
Speaker 3: over the head with it. Almost every single character talks
Speaker 3: about hunting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, from the very beginning, like the father and son
Speaker 2: are arguing about hunting, like, why do you like hunting? Dad?
Speaker 2: I don't know, Son, why don't you not like hunting?
Speaker 2: So they really kind of to a certain extent, beat
Speaker 2: you over the head with it. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: after a while, it feels like they're not really sure
Speaker 2: what point they're trying to make about hunting. I mean
Speaker 2: maybe to an extent, maybe that's good, Like you don't
Speaker 2: feel like there's a really heavy handed message to.
Speaker 3: This film, Oh sure, I mean I'm not saying that.
Speaker 3: I think every film should have a moral that can
Speaker 3: be stated in a sentence. Though if this film has
Speaker 3: any thoughts in general about hunting, even then I'm not
Speaker 3: quite sure what those are. But maybe maybe we'll find
Speaker 3: something here, because I wanted to explore these these hunting
Speaker 3: themes in literature a little bit and see if we
Speaker 3: can if that can inform our vision of the movie. Now, obviously,
Speaker 3: stories of divine hunters, like you would say the alien
Speaker 3: in this movie is in a way a divine hunter, right,
Speaker 3: it comes down from the sky, it's got superhuman powers,
Speaker 3: and it uses them to hunt on earth, but not
Speaker 3: just to hunt beasts, to hunt the most dangerous game
Speaker 3: of all, which is Madden. And so obviously, you know,
Speaker 3: these stories of divine hunters are just rich throughout ancient mythology.
Speaker 3: Most of the myths of hunters, I think, are about
Speaker 3: normal hunting. You know, they're humans or humanoid gods who
Speaker 3: hunt animals. And then a lot of hunting mythology is
Speaker 3: about the relationship between hunters and prey and the gods
Speaker 3: who aid hunters in the hunt. But there are a
Speaker 3: few myths that sort of turn the tables on the
Speaker 3: hunting dynamics in the style of Predator or this movie,
Speaker 3: or one of my favorites, the tagline from the for
Speaker 3: the nineties movie Congo. You remember that tagline goes where
Speaker 3: you are the endangered species?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I guess It's often pointed out too that
Speaker 2: modern twists on this or are all kind of a
Speaker 2: twist on a most dangerous game in which you know,
Speaker 2: humans are hunting humans. And then in just in sci fi,
Speaker 2: like there was an older Isaac Asimov's story in which
Speaker 2: there's like a time traveler who gets drunk at a
Speaker 2: bar and tells everybody that he traveled back to dinosaur
Speaker 2: days and found that reptilian humanoids hunted all the dinosaurs
Speaker 2: to extinction. So this idea of alien or alien esque hunters,
Speaker 2: you know, certainly predates even this film.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And other sci fi stories have touched
Speaker 3: on hunting themes, of course. I mean the one that
Speaker 3: immediately comes to mind is a Sound of Thunder, where
Speaker 3: there's time travel again and the idea that but this
Speaker 3: is also about humans hunting animals. In that story, the
Speaker 3: humans go back, they hunt dinosaurs, and unfortunately, in hunting
Speaker 3: dinosaurs they create ripple effects throughout time. You know, it's
Speaker 3: the butterfly effect explored. But this, of course is the
Speaker 3: theme where we're talking here about humans or humanoid gods
Speaker 3: being the prey. And I think there are some myths
Speaker 3: that sort of get into territory at least close to this.
Speaker 3: One example is a number of myths about the Greek
Speaker 3: goddess Artemis having various kinds of hunts for humans, or
Speaker 3: at least hunting sort of revenge on humans that in
Speaker 3: some way resembles a hunt. Artemis Artemis is an interesting figure,
Speaker 3: of course, she is the virgin goddess of the hunt
Speaker 3: in Greek mythology. There are some connections between her and
Speaker 3: probably older, more ancient goddesses who symbolized something having to
Speaker 3: do with fertility in the ancient Near East. But in
Speaker 3: Greek mythology, Artemis is very often associated with hunts and
Speaker 3: hunting weapons, and the wilderness and wild animals. She had
Speaker 3: these stags and deer that are sacred to her. She,
Speaker 3: like the predator, and like the alien in Without Warning,
Speaker 3: has powerful supernatural tools that aid her in the hunt.
Speaker 3: So whereas the Predator's got his laser cannon and his
Speaker 3: blades and his nets and all those things, and of
Speaker 3: course the alien from Without Warning has the flesh frisbees.
Speaker 3: Artemis has a silver bow and silver arrows that were
Speaker 3: forged by the cyclopes in this underwater realm, and the
Speaker 3: arrows of this bow could split a pine tree and
Speaker 3: the quiver would always be full. And she also has
Speaker 3: a pack of hunting dogs that she acquired from the
Speaker 3: god Pan you know, the little King of the Wood,
Speaker 3: which could outrun any deer or outfight any lion. And
Speaker 3: there are a number of myths where she sort of
Speaker 3: hunts a person or a deity after they've offended her
Speaker 3: in some way. I think that. Probably the best known
Speaker 3: of these is the myth of Acteon, right where Acteon
Speaker 3: is himself a hunter. He's a young hunter who's traveling
Speaker 3: through the forest and he sees Artemis bathing in a
Speaker 3: pool or a stream, and he's like wow. And then
Speaker 3: she catches him looking at her, and because he saw
Speaker 3: her naked, she transforms him into a stag, and then
Speaker 3: he is pursued by dogs. I think in most versions
Speaker 3: of the story, I think he's pursued by his own
Speaker 3: hunting dogs that mistake him for the prey now, and
Speaker 3: they catch him and they tear him to pieces. But
Speaker 3: I've also seen some version where apparently she hunts him
Speaker 3: with her hounds, maybe the hounds of Pan, and they
Speaker 3: catch and rip him apart.
Speaker 2: You know this is this is great because, on one hand,
Speaker 2: hunting dogs are a perfect analog to the flying fresh
Speaker 2: flesh frizdi. Yes, you know they are yea biotechnology, domesticated
Speaker 2: creatures that we send forth to do our will on
Speaker 2: the hunt. I wonder too about you know, obviously, hunting
Speaker 2: was such an important part of life, an essential part
Speaker 2: of life for for early humans, So it makes sense
Speaker 2: that this thing that we depended on on on a
Speaker 2: daily basis would would mingle so with our myth making.
Speaker 2: But also I wonder if there's a sense that it
Speaker 2: that it that it also reveals, especially for early humans,
Speaker 2: how delicate our place in the natural order was, Like
Speaker 2: in the same way that has often pointed out that
Speaker 2: our cats, our pet cats are are extra insane because
Speaker 2: in the in the wild, they are both predator and prey,
Speaker 2: you know, And and so for early and especially that
Speaker 2: would have been the case. There were beasts that would
Speaker 2: eat us, just as we had to eat beasts, and
Speaker 2: in doing so, you know, a lot of these myths
Speaker 2: kind of seem to explore that dual nature that you know,
Speaker 2: just but for the will of the goddess, I could
Speaker 2: be the creature hunted by these fierce beasts that do
Speaker 2: my bidding.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's it's a natural place to go,
Speaker 3: and it's a natural kind of irony to explore, you know,
Speaker 3: it's very much that like Avid's metamorphosis territory. You know,
Speaker 3: the ironies inherent in the natural order of things. One
Speaker 3: of the most obvious kind of ironies you could get
Speaker 3: into is the order of the food chain. We're usually
Speaker 3: at the top, we're doing all the hunting. But what
Speaker 3: if you were the prey, which, in fact, and that's
Speaker 3: not even something you have to imagine a magical scenario
Speaker 3: for Like, you know, if you are stranded without tools,
Speaker 3: without aid and stuff like that, you could easily become
Speaker 3: a prey animal to a lion or something like that.
Speaker 3: But but I think the strange part comes in the
Speaker 3: strangeness enters when you're imagining not being prey to a
Speaker 3: wild animal, but being prey to a human or humanoid hunter.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, being the focus of the hunter's will.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because human hunters are different than wild animals. They've
Speaker 3: got you know, these they've got tools, they've got technology
Speaker 3: like Artemis does, they've got language, they've got sort of
Speaker 3: complex desires and will that the reason that Artemis might
Speaker 3: hunt a human would be not because she desires its
Speaker 3: meat to eat, but because she hates it for some
Speaker 3: reason it has offended her. And that would be the
Speaker 3: case in say, the myth of Niobe. Again, this one
Speaker 3: is it's not a perfect analogy because it's not exactly
Speaker 3: a hunt. But the normal version of this myth is
Speaker 3: that Niobe is the human daughter of Tantalus and the
Speaker 3: wife of Amphion, the king of Thebes, and in a
Speaker 3: lot of tellings she boasts in pride that she has
Speaker 3: more children than the titan Letto, who is the mother
Speaker 3: of Apollo and Artemis. And then Apollo and Artemis get
Speaker 3: revenge against her for making this prideful boast against their
Speaker 3: mother by slaughtering all of Niobe's children, which is, you know,
Speaker 3: a very Greek myth kind of thing to happen. And
Speaker 3: so the way it happens is that Artemis showers them
Speaker 3: with shafts from her bow while they're in their home,
Speaker 3: and Apollo takes the sons of Niobe hunting and kills
Speaker 3: them all while on the hunt, and Niobe is left
Speaker 3: to grieve. So there is sort of like a hunting
Speaker 3: inflection in the revenge plot here.
Speaker 2: Now there's also a sense, especially without warning, there's this
Speaker 2: idea too that all right, you bumbling teens have just
Speaker 2: wandered into something beyond your comprehension, you know, and now
Speaker 2: you're stuck in it. And really we see this as
Speaker 2: well with this mythic concept of the doom that comes
Speaker 2: with interrupting a divine hunt, such as the wild hunt
Speaker 2: traditions of Northern Europe. So in these traditions you have
Speaker 2: gods such as Odin and or the spirits of hunters
Speaker 2: passed running amok across the countryside, often at night, with
Speaker 2: hell hounds in toe, in pursuit of prey. And that
Speaker 2: prey might be a magical or divine heart, you know,
Speaker 2: some sort of sacred deer. It might be demons thereafter,
Speaker 2: it might be the souls of the damned as another
Speaker 2: frequent prey, or they might be chasing nothing at all,
Speaker 2: or nothing that you can even you know, determine. Now,
Speaker 2: the rules of these hunts and these hunt encounters seem
Speaker 2: to vary, but basically getting in the way of these hunts,
Speaker 2: or certainly even being seen by these hunts is potentially dangerous.
Speaker 2: You might get swept away into the underworld. And in
Speaker 2: some versions of the tradition, trying to interfere with in
Speaker 2: the hunt will spell your doom. But in some versions,
Speaker 2: aiding the hunt could earn you a reward.
Speaker 3: Ah, I see, So these are kind of ghost riders
Speaker 3: in the sky, like yeah, and you come across them,
Speaker 3: you best not get in their way, even if they're
Speaker 3: not hunting for you. Right, there's kind of a sense
Speaker 3: of that in actually, I would say in a lot
Speaker 3: of horror movies, but also in definitely, in Without Warning
Speaker 3: and in Predator. Yeah, I know, there's a lot of
Speaker 3: sort of academic theory about one of the common themes
Speaker 3: of horror being, you know, the danger of going into
Speaker 3: liminal spaces, that people are punished for venturing into areas
Speaker 3: and meddling into affairs that are not their purview, and
Speaker 3: so you know, you go, and so in Predator would
Speaker 3: be there like these commandos go into some other country
Speaker 3: that is not their home, and they get involved in
Speaker 3: stuff that is none of their affair, and thus they
Speaker 3: become targets of this otherworldly hunt. I think the same
Speaker 3: thing is sort of true and Without Warning, except it's
Speaker 3: hokey or I mean, basically, the place they're going is
Speaker 3: like to some river in some kind of rural area.
Speaker 3: But again it's like city kids. It's the you know,
Speaker 3: the makeout point. Teens are not from here, and they
Speaker 3: go in and they suffer for invading this liminal space.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I guess you could even say that
Speaker 2: in Without Warning, you know, they're trying to they're trying
Speaker 2: to make some point about the distance between the young
Speaker 2: generation the older generation, between urban and rural and so
Speaker 2: you could say that there is some you some exploration
Speaker 2: of the idea that it is like another world, but
Speaker 2: but it does.
Speaker 3: They are getting in the way of the hunt, like
Speaker 3: the Ablest that's where he's doing his stuff, and they
Speaker 3: show up and almost kind of like get into the
Speaker 3: middle of it and are punished for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like everybody's doing basically okay with it. The drunks
Speaker 2: in the bar, they're just maintaining. Sergetes addled, but you know,
Speaker 2: he's not hurting anybody, and Palantes really wants to hunt
Speaker 2: that alien. But you get to see the feeling that
Speaker 2: he's just been waiting for the right opportunity to really
Speaker 2: bring it to the next level. And that's what the
Speaker 2: kids do. They just knock all of the norms out
Speaker 2: of out of position, and now we're in a you know,
Speaker 2: a much dire or situation. Right. But with the wild hunts,
Speaker 2: like I said, a lot of the time they're hunting
Speaker 2: demons and whatnot. But some of these wild hunt traditions
Speaker 2: do involve the wild hunters hunting the living. Consider the
Speaker 2: Devil's Dandy Dogs of Cornwall, which Carol Rose, a folk
Speaker 2: historian who's written a couple of wonderful encyclopedias that I
Speaker 2: continually come back to about monsters and fairies. She describes
Speaker 2: the Devil's Dandy Dogs as demonic huntsmen in a pack
Speaker 2: of black, fiery eyed demon dogs who quote hunt down
Speaker 2: the living and rip them to pieces. And then they
Speaker 2: also hunt the souls of the damned. And then there's
Speaker 2: also the coon Anen or the Hounds of Fairyland or
Speaker 2: the Hounds of Hell, also known as the Hounds of
Speaker 2: the Mother, or the Corpse Dogs or the sky Dogs.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have a number of different names, and according
Speaker 2: to Rose, they're mostly invisible, but when you do see
Speaker 2: these dogs, they're stark white and they have red eyes
Speaker 2: and red ears, and they're led by either the Devil
Speaker 2: or a giant named Bran or a quote monstrous, black faced,
Speaker 2: gray clad master huntsmen known as gwyn Appnon. And they
Speaker 2: might be hunting the living, They might be hunting the
Speaker 2: souls of the dead. They also might be hunting unrepentant
Speaker 2: sinners or unbaptized babies, depending on the telling.
Speaker 3: Is it much sport to hunt unbaptized babies.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I wouldn't think so, unless they're just
Speaker 2: really cagy babies.
Speaker 3: Okay, so yeah, so clearly there is this idea that
Speaker 3: there are uh I mean, I think this is common
Speaker 3: in beliefs about fairies or about the hidden people, that
Speaker 3: they have their own affairs and they're going about their
Speaker 3: own business, and that humans often get into trouble when
Speaker 3: you sort of wander into the middle of what they're doing.
Speaker 3: So are you saying that that's sort of what's going
Speaker 3: on here and connects in a way with Predator and
Speaker 3: Without Warning?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think there is a sense that you know,
Speaker 2: you've stumbled upon this otherworldly affair that you don't have
Speaker 2: any right to be a part of, but now you're
Speaker 2: in it, and you may well face your doom because.
Speaker 3: There is a strange sense of implied justice that is
Speaker 3: more there, I would say, in Predator than in Without Warning.
Speaker 3: In Predator, you recall that, like the predator does not
Speaker 3: seem to attack anyone who is unarmed, so in some
Speaker 3: way it is almost a chivalrous alien hunter that it
Speaker 3: only wants someone who's a good sport, and you're only
Speaker 3: good sport for it if you can defend yourself. I
Speaker 3: feel like that's less the case in Without Warning. I
Speaker 3: don't remember anything.
Speaker 2: Well, we do have that scene where the monster, the
Speaker 2: Hunter has no problem taken out the Scout Master, but
Speaker 2: lets an entire pack of boy Scouts go free.
Speaker 3: That's right, I forgot about that scene. So maybe the
Speaker 3: same thing is implied here. I'm coming back to it again,
Speaker 3: you screenwriters of Predator. I'm coming for you. I want
Speaker 3: to know. Was this just a variation on without Warning?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean, the Hunter knew that the baby Face David
Speaker 2: Caruso or David Face Baby Cruso, whichever it, knew that
Speaker 2: he was. This is a character worth hunting to the
Speaker 2: death right. But the boy Scouts gotta let him go,
Speaker 2: let him, let him grow up a little bit.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the other two teens who got killed by
Speaker 3: the lake weren't They weren't armed, So I don't know
Speaker 3: how that holds up. Well, yeah, so maybe the boy
Speaker 3: Scouts are let go just because they're too young. Maybe
Speaker 3: that's it.
Speaker 2: The flesh isn't tasty yet. I don't know, right, Maybe
Speaker 2: the sucker of frisbees don't actually attach to younglings. We
Speaker 2: don't know, or maybe they'd all been baptized. We don't
Speaker 2: know the full religious history of everybody in this film.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's true. We never get any glimpse at the
Speaker 3: religion of the hunter, though you kind of get the
Speaker 3: sense that there is at least some narrow bit of
Speaker 3: culture implied, because the hunter is not dressed in what
Speaker 3: appears to be utilitarian clothing. The alien hunter is dressed
Speaker 3: in something that looks at least from the Earth analogy,
Speaker 3: like religious garb. It has robes, and then it has
Speaker 3: this kind of woven net like or almost Macromay kind
Speaker 3: of thing over it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, which I think does also add to the
Speaker 2: just weird vibe of the villain here, because yeah, he's
Speaker 2: not outfitted like a human hunter. He's not using tools
Speaker 2: that are seemingly like anything we use to hunt. He's
Speaker 2: like some weird alien priest flinging flesh frisbees all over
Speaker 2: the woods.
Speaker 3: Here's a jellyfish Dominus vobiscum. So I wanted to point
Speaker 3: out something else that I thought was interesting. That's something
Speaker 3: in common with, or something in common between Without Warning
Speaker 3: Predator and some ancient myths about divine hunters, which is,
Speaker 3: how do you defeat them? If there's like a divine
Speaker 3: hunter with otherworldly powers and tools at its disposal, is
Speaker 3: there any way that immortal or a less powerful entity
Speaker 3: can face it down, and the answer appears to be traps.
Speaker 3: In this movie, it's Jack Palance with a shed rigged
Speaker 3: with dynamite. Remember he gets the explosives in the the
Speaker 3: watershed and then they blow the alien to pieces after
Speaker 3: he yells alien. And then in Predator, it's Schwarzenegger's tree
Speaker 3: trunk counterweight. Right. Oh yeah, like he Schwarzenegger sets up
Speaker 3: a trap that I think is supposed to originally hook
Speaker 3: under the predator's feet and then like throw him up
Speaker 3: into a bunch of spikes but or sharpened steaks. But
Speaker 3: then he has to kind of improvise because the predator
Speaker 3: goes around his trap. But then he gets him anyway,
Speaker 3: just by dropping a log on him.
Speaker 2: He's I think the more ingenious thing that Schwarzenegger's character
Speaker 2: was a Dutch could have employed. He's don't try and
Speaker 2: make a really good trap, make a terrible trap, like
Speaker 2: a really obviously bad trap that it just make the
Speaker 2: predator give up and realize, Okay, this guy's not a genius,
Speaker 2: not a discord after all. Yeah, I'm just gonna go
Speaker 2: ahead and call it a day, which I guess to
Speaker 2: a certain extent. That's what Sarage is doing in this movie,
Speaker 2: because we learned that Sarge is going around digging tiger traps, yes,
Speaker 2: deep pit traps all over the place, to the point
Speaker 2: where our heroes just fall into one at some point,
Speaker 2: but they're fine, there are any spikes or anything. It's
Speaker 2: not a very good trap.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But this actually does connect to a Greek myth.
Speaker 3: So there's a Greek myth about the pair of figures
Speaker 3: known as the Aloaid, in which Artemis, the divine hunter
Speaker 3: again kills two other divine hunters to otherwise invincible aggressive
Speaker 3: divine hunters only by resorting to a trap. So here
Speaker 3: is sort of predator versus predators. Now, the aload were
Speaker 3: these twin giants. They were the sons of a human
Speaker 3: mother named if Amidea and of the sea god Poseidon,
Speaker 3: and their names were ODIs and e Fialtes. And as
Speaker 3: demi gods, ODIs and e Fialtes grew large and violent,
Speaker 3: and they lived as these wild, uncontrollable hunters on the land,
Speaker 3: and they were so powerful that they could only be
Speaker 3: killed by each other, and they eventually nurtured designs on
Speaker 3: Mount Olympus. They wanted to attack the home of the gods,
Speaker 3: and it's said that Aris, the god of war, tried
Speaker 3: to stop them. He tried to kill them, but they
Speaker 3: crammed him into a brazen cauldron. And in some versions
Speaker 3: of the myth, the twin giants wanted to steal away
Speaker 3: Artemis and Hera from Olympus and make them into their wives.
Speaker 3: And in one telling of the myth, the way they're defeated.
Speaker 3: I think there are some versions where Apollo kills them,
Speaker 3: but in one version, the huntress Artemis is able to
Speaker 3: catch them in a trap. She transforms herself into a
Speaker 3: stag and then bates the two of them into a
Speaker 3: hunt And in animal form, Artemis positions herself between the
Speaker 3: two giants and they each throw their hunting spears at her,
Speaker 3: and then she dodges, and the spears thrown by each
Speaker 3: hunter pierced the other, and thus the Demi gods are slain.
Speaker 2: Ah. You know what that reminds me of? It also
Speaker 2: reminds me of RoboCop three. Isn't that how RoboCop defeats
Speaker 2: the two Cybern Ninjas? Oh?
Speaker 3: Is it?
Speaker 2: Kind of? Don't?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Like, basically he somehow tricks or some shenanigans occur that
Speaker 2: caused the two cyber ninjas to destroy each other with
Speaker 2: their swords.
Speaker 3: That's interesting And as a connections, I was reading on
Speaker 3: IMDb that the young actor who played Scaramuci van Deen
Speaker 3: in this movie he apparently did stunts in RoboCop three,
Speaker 3: if his IMDb page is correct. But anyway, is this
Speaker 3: a coincidence? Why are traps the obvious answer to an
Speaker 3: overpowered celestial hunter from the sky.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, one part of it could just be
Speaker 2: too you know, to think back on how we would
Speaker 2: have dealt with larger predators of old. You know, we
Speaker 2: had to figure out ways to outsmart them, and that
Speaker 2: may involve either setting a trap, like an actual physical
Speaker 2: trap like a pit or a tiger pit. Oh, or
Speaker 2: it might involve some sort of yeah we have buffalo jumps,
Speaker 2: you have some sort of ambush tactics would be employed,
Speaker 2: like some way of outsmarting them and using either a
Speaker 2: physical artifice or a strategic artifice against them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting. I mean, so when a human is hunted,
Speaker 3: it's obviously it's some kind of inversion of how things
Speaker 3: are supposed to be. It's a perversion of the divine order.
Speaker 3: We're supposed to hunt, not be hunted, And I wonder
Speaker 3: if there's an idea that, in order to reclaim your
Speaker 3: humanity and your position atop the chain of being, that
Speaker 3: you have to insist on victory by outsmarting this usurping
Speaker 3: hunter figure rather than simply overpowering it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that might well be the mythic energy
Speaker 2: that without Warning is tapping into. All right, well, we're
Speaker 2: reaching the end of our discussion here at this point.
Speaker 2: If you have not seen the film, you might be wondering, Hey,
Speaker 2: where can I watch without Warning? Well, as of this recording,
Speaker 2: I don't believe it's available on any of the major
Speaker 2: streaming sites, at least in the United States. I couldn't,
Speaker 2: but it's always worth checking around. Especially I find Amazon
Speaker 2: Prime to be a great place to find just righteous trash.
Speaker 2: They have just a wonderful selection of obscure titles.
Speaker 3: Yeah there. Recently they've expanded their jallo collection in eye
Speaker 3: popping ways. We watched a movie with baby Jing Carlo
Speaker 3: Janini in it, The Black Belly of the Tarantula. Have
Speaker 3: you seen that one? Oh?
Speaker 2: I haven't seen that one, but I love that title.
Speaker 3: Oh man, it is a it is a It is
Speaker 3: a Jallo Lover's Jaello.
Speaker 2: Now, as we mentioned earlier, Shout Factories, Scream Factory and
Speaker 2: Print put out an awesome DVD and Blu ray of
Speaker 2: Without Warning back in twenty fourteen. I think it is
Speaker 2: out of print. Maybe it'll go back in print by
Speaker 2: the time you're listening to this, but that's well worth
Speaker 2: finding a copy of. That is the addition that we
Speaker 2: both watched in preparation for this episode. Yeah, and hey,
Speaker 2: if you happen to live in Atlanta, you can totally
Speaker 2: rent it at Video drone in either format.
Speaker 3: I would highly recommend it. I would say it's like
Speaker 3: all of the Dean Cundi movies. Once again, it might
Speaker 3: be trash, but it's surprisingly watchable.
Speaker 2: All Right, we're going to go and close out the
Speaker 2: episode here, but we want to hear from you. What
Speaker 2: did you think of the film? Did you happen to
Speaker 2: see it back in nineteen eighty. I'm always interested in
Speaker 2: those accounts, Like, you know, I saw it on the
Speaker 2: screen in the time that it was speaking to all
Speaker 2: the time it was speaking too.
Speaker 3: Did you happen to make it in nineteen eighty? Are
Speaker 3: you great? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Were you involved in the in the film? Yeah? Are
Speaker 2: you great on Clark. Are you the ghost of Jack
Speaker 2: Pallence writing into us to let us know that you
Speaker 2: did defeat that alien? It was definitely dead, and that
Speaker 2: your character survived for the sequel that we never got
Speaker 2: to see. We want to know about that as well,
Speaker 2: Hunter of Core. All right, you know how to get
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