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Speaker 1: How about this from Chandler Rome, who of course is

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Speaker 1: on the Astros podcast that we do here on the

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Speaker 1: Foul Territory Network. Yourd on Alvarez just exited the Astros

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Speaker 1: clubhouse on crutches and with his left foot in a boot. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's not good, the team spokesman said. Alvarez did not

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Speaker 1: about his condition. You can certainly learn more on Crush

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Speaker 1: City Territory. This is bad news, you guys, or done.

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Speaker 1: Olivarez just coming off the ail not that long ago.

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Speaker 1: A huge bat in that lineup, of course, is the

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Speaker 1: dh AJ. How does this affect the Stros moving forward.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's a big It's a big blow depending on

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Speaker 2: how long he's out if they get into the postseason,

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Speaker 2: losing their their top option at dh left field, wherever

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Speaker 2: they want to put him is a huge blow. He's

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Speaker 2: one of the best bats in the American leagues. Basically

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Speaker 2: Something new for Astros to not talk injuries, because you know,

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Speaker 2: he had that hand thing and nobody could get figure

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Speaker 2: out why he was out for so long. So it's

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Speaker 2: a bad it's a bad thing for the Astros and

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Speaker 2: they're missing a bad man if he's out for a while. Hey,

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Speaker 2: did you did you wear moldeds? Did you wear moldens

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Speaker 2: or metals? I always wear molded Did you ever slip

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Speaker 2: foot slid on home plate like that. No I was.

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Speaker 2: I was light on my feet, So no, I didn't.

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Speaker 2: You're athletic.

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Speaker 1: Wait, tell me what you guys are talking about. What

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Speaker 1: are you ask and if he, if he were, what explained.

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Speaker 2: The lastic or metal spikes? Plastic or metal spikes? Molded

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Speaker 1: Ken rose Thal is next. We'll talk about the Astros

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Speaker 1: and much more coming up. Time now for the inside

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Speaker 1: scoop with our friend Ken Rosenthal. We appreciate you, Ken

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Speaker 1: as always being here the busiest man in the game.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with the Houston Astros and how this may

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Speaker 1: affect the Astros moving forward. Your on Alvarez, you heard it,

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Speaker 1: Ken Aj said he's missed most of the season with injury.

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Speaker 1: He's such a huge piece of that puzzle. What did

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Speaker 1: the Astros do if he's out for an extended period

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Speaker 3: Well, last night Zach Cole stepped in home run RBI single,

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Speaker 3: so they'll have him, and he's a former tenth rounder.

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Speaker 4: He's had a little.

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Speaker 3: Run here so far with them and it's been pretty good.

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Speaker 3: Now he's not your on Alvarez, obviously. The only thing

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Speaker 3: is that they played for nearly three months without him

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Speaker 4: And they were not just without him.

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Speaker 3: Of course, Paanya was down for a month during that time,

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Speaker 3: all these different starting pitchers, so they've showed an ability

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Speaker 3: Obviously, losing eurot On Alvarez for any length of time

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Speaker 3: Losing him for the postseason would not be good, But

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Speaker 3: The Astros do have this resourceful way about them, and

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Speaker 3: even last night they showed it the way they performed

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Speaker 2: Anyway that this speeds up, the recovery time speeds up,

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Speaker 2: how quickly they get estoc Parades back on the field

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Speaker 2: it's a lower body, if it's a hand, or what

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Speaker 3: Well, that's certainly true about zoc Parades and whether he

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Speaker 4: The injuries or whatever they are going to do. He

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Speaker 3: I don't expect they're going to accelerate it because of this.

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Speaker 3: it's going to be a few days, probably more than that.

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Speaker 3: So in a way, and I should have mentioned this

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Speaker 2: There's another team in their division to Mariners, who we

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Speaker 2: thought it crumbled because they went east of Spokane. It's

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Speaker 2: kind of my running joke. If they go east of

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Speaker 2: turnaround it as soon as they got home it was

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Speaker 2: a different team. So is this something they're worried about

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Speaker 2: why does it always seem like the Mariners have this problem.

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Speaker 3: I'm not exactly sure. I touched on this in my

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Speaker 3: they'll be fine. It's a different animal in the postseason.

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Speaker 3: But yes, for sure that they've struggled, particularly going east

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Speaker 1: And also when your notes call, I'm talking a little

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Speaker 3: It certainly matters, Alana if they make the postseason. In fact,

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Speaker 3: the entire premise is based on the making the postseason,

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Speaker 3: because they were not a team that anyone was particularly

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Speaker 3: would be they struggled all year long. They had a

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Speaker 3: because of the way that they have overcome their injuries,

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Speaker 3: if the Astros get in, he probably should win. But

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Speaker 3: you can certainly make a case for Ajhnchrin Detroit, John

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Speaker 3: and doing it with an offense that no one would

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Speaker 4: So it's an interesting race.

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Speaker 3: The most interesting thing about this to me with regard

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Speaker 3: to Bochie, was simply that, like you said, Alana, he

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Speaker 3: has not won this since nineteen ninety six.

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Speaker 4: It's almost thirty years.

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Speaker 3: He's won four World Series in that time, but he

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Speaker 3: this award is based on regular season performance only.

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Speaker 2: Ken, John Snyder's gonna win. Okay, let's just I know

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Speaker 2: you like to forget about the team up north, Ken,

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Speaker 2: but John Schneider's gonna win. Okay, He's gonna win this

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Speaker 2: everyone's gonna look at him, say, oh, the Yankees in

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Speaker 2: The Brewers. We just did the Brewers game on Saturday,

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Speaker 2: and in your notes you'd mentioned them the way they

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Speaker 2: and now they're actually doing okay against lefties. Why don't

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Speaker 2: more teams do this? Why don't more teams allow their

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Speaker 3: And teams the way they see it is we want

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Speaker 3: it's a left on left matchup with a young player

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Speaker 3: I had a conversation with him, I don't know, a

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Speaker 3: And what he said was very honest. He said, you

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Speaker 4: He said, No, it was.

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Speaker 2: That's what changed Jock around. Rowdy got there and they

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Speaker 1: That's funny that you say that, Ken, because yesterday we

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Speaker 1: New look for the Redbirds next season. Can we appreciate it?

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Speaker 1: As always, always love catching up with you on the inside, Scoop,

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Speaker 1: don't forget everybody. You can catch a brand new episode

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Speaker 1: of Fair Territory with Ken Rosenthal on Monday, of course,

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Speaker 1: thirty eastern. We'll be right back. Foul Territory rolls on