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Speaker 1: Revere, Revelle Dalks. We'll go to snow tip to tip.

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Speaker 1: This is all wine, this is all passion. I'm look Thomas.

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Speaker 1: I this this Morning Combat.

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Speaker 2: They showed me that intro before the show and I

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Speaker 3: That was very, very funny.

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Speaker 2: It won't be the permanent one, but it's the one

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Speaker 2: we have at least four today. Welcome everyone. My name

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Speaker 2: is Luke Thomas. How are you doing. I am merely

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Speaker 2: one half of the hosting duo here at Morning Combat

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Speaker 2: on the twelfth of January twenty twenty six. A new

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Speaker 2: era in Morning Combat. Obviously, you guys know why you're here.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot to get to in combat sports. We're

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Speaker 2: gonna talk about that today. But it's the first show. Well,

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Speaker 2: we did a show last Monday, and that was the

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Speaker 2: last show with Brian Campbell as the reigning co host.

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Speaker 2: Of course, as we've said a million times, Brian Campbell

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Speaker 2: will be back. That is not the of Brian Campbell

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Speaker 2: said was after I should say, during last Monday show,

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Speaker 2: only gave you on the live chat that it would

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Speaker 3: To be announced today.

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Speaker 2: There is a full slate of announcements about the future

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Speaker 2: of MK this new chapter. And before we get to

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Speaker 2: So here we are beginning of the show. You might

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Speaker 2: more than actually just this part of the announcement. There's

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Speaker 2: But you've waited long enough. No more delays. There's actually

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Speaker 2: When this seat opens up? It is this gentleman?

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Speaker 4: Oh well, well, it's funny how you only call when

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Speaker 3: How's everybody doing?

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Speaker 5: Good?

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Speaker 2: Welcome everyone. This is Chuck Minden Hall. This is this

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Speaker 2: is the great Charles Minden Hall. Chuck, I am delighted.

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Speaker 4: We don't iceman. What's all this? I'm usually the iceman

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Speaker 3: Yes, you are the iceman.

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Speaker 2: You're actually in my phone, you're as the iceman. The

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Speaker 2: very very nice to see that I'm now not the

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Speaker 2: You're the new host. How do you feel, what would

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Speaker 3: But check this out. I even wore for the occasion.

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Speaker 4: My Morning Combat and I wanted to show you that mine,

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Speaker 4: like Laverne from Levern and Shirley says chuck, they actually

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Speaker 4: the direct messaging through this whole processes that they're not

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Speaker 4: trying to get rid of sanction Avis, right, it's just

437
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Speaker 4: more of an and or through this whole process.

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Speaker 3: I felt like this was the first.

439
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Speaker 4: Time Dana or anybody from you know, from that side

440
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Speaker 4: of things worded it quite like that even though we

441
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Speaker 4: knew what was going on.

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Speaker 2: Right, let's see, let's see what the audio is. Let's

443
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Speaker 2: play this clip. If we can't look it on, I

444
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Speaker 2: don't know if we need to play the whole thing,

445
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Speaker 2: but let's start it off. This is Dana talking to

446
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Speaker 2: Stephen A. Smith help to us.

447
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Speaker 8: For a second about what you're doing in the sport

448
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Speaker 8: of boxing from start to finish, your promotional arm and

449
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Speaker 8: everything else in between.

450
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Speaker 9: So I've been talking smack about boxing for a long time,

451
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Speaker 9: and now it's time to put my money where my

452
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Speaker 9: mouth is. To get rid of the sanctioning organizations. The

453
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Speaker 9: best we'll fight the best. We're gonna sign all the

454
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Speaker 9: young up and coming guys. If you break into the

455
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Speaker 9: top ten and you're still undefeated, your undefeated record means something,

456
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Speaker 9: you know what I mean? Everybody's undefeated in boxing because

457
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Speaker 9: nobody fights anybody, right, everybody will everybody. And when you're undefeated,

458
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Speaker 9: like if you like John Jones, John Jones is under

459
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Speaker 9: Nobody has ever beat John Jones, and he fought all

460
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Speaker 9: the best in the world. You know, then he moved

461
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Speaker 9: up to heavyweight and walked right through the guy.

462
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Speaker 3: So you're you're, oh, will.

463
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Speaker 9: Actually mean something in boxing in the next couple of years.

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Speaker 3: How are you going to boy?

465
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Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, Chuck, he just can't quit John Jones, right.

466
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Speaker 4: John Jones was brought up multiple times in part because

467
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Speaker 4: Steven A. Smith I watched that entire thing. I don't

468
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Speaker 4: know if you sat through all of that, but man

469
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Speaker 4: Steven A. Smith would return to John Jones like, uh,

470
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Speaker 4: you know, like like that was kind of the the

471
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Speaker 4: default fighter that he knew the whole way through that conversation.

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Speaker 3: Long Island, do me a favor.

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Speaker 2: So I was at the congressional hearing, Chuck, where it

474
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Speaker 2: was the Education to Workforce Committee, I believe, and it

475
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Speaker 2: was my understanding, is what I found out after the

476
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Speaker 2: fact was that was basically so obviously, any kind of

477
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Speaker 2: committee is going to have members of the left party

478
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Speaker 2: and members of the right party, and depending on who's

479
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,639
Speaker 2: in control is of the broader Congress, it will often

480
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 2: be a consequence therefore who's in charge of these various committees.

481
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Speaker 2: So therefore it was a Republican basically committee meeting. Now

482
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Speaker 2: they don't totally exclude their colleagues on the other side

483
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Speaker 2: of the aisle. There is a nominal outreach and they

484
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Speaker 2: work together to bring it there.

485
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Speaker 3: But it was basically as I understand it. It was not.

486
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Speaker 2: My understanding is there's a different kind right where you

487
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Speaker 2: can have a sort of a fact finding congressional hearing

488
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Speaker 2: where both sides invite an equal number of experts and

489
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Speaker 2: it's much longer, and it's again you go into a

490
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Speaker 2: sort of a discovery process. This had four from the

491
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Speaker 2: Republicans and one from the Democrat, and that was Patrick English,

492
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Speaker 2: one of the original architects of the ALI Act. But anyway,

493
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Speaker 2: all the witnesses, when they eventually speak, have to have

494
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Speaker 2: an opening statement, and it's very short, it's not super long,

495
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Speaker 2: and then they submit their comments into the record. And

496
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Speaker 2: I was sitting there listening to the way in which

497
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Speaker 2: this was being sold to Congress, because, as you rightly

498
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Speaker 2: point out, Chuck, I mean, how you tell Congress and

499
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Speaker 2: the world that this works is actually pretty critically important.

500
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Speaker 2: Of course, how the legislation is drafted to match that

501
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,919
Speaker 2: just as much. And the message over and over again

502
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Speaker 2: was choice. And in fact the word that was given

503
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Speaker 2: over and over again was choice. Put up on the

504
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Speaker 2: screen here these are the comments from Lawrence Epstein, who

505
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Speaker 2: is Harvard educated, by the way, very bright. Guy's not

506
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Speaker 2: a stupid guy by instretch of the imagination. And on

507
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Speaker 2: top of that, you know, has been involved with the

508
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,360
Speaker 2: organization for quite some time. And you can see he says, quote,

509
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Speaker 2: they're going to offer boxers more freedom, choice and opportunities.

510
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Speaker 2: Next slide please here again is it later? Where he says,

511
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Speaker 2: again the act, the one they're proposing, is simply going

512
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Speaker 2: to provide boxers more choice and opportunities. If the sanctioning

513
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 2: model is beneficial for certain boxers, they can choose to

514
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Speaker 2: stay in that system. Next one and this is the

515
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Speaker 2: last one. But although there's other ways, you could point

516
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Speaker 2: to his in his statements that this would be the case,

517
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Speaker 2: where he says, UBOs, this is the parallel system that

518
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Speaker 2: they're trying to implement in boxing would produce additional boxing

519
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Speaker 2: events and give fighters more choice and opportunities to compete. Now, Chuck,

520
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,959
Speaker 2: you and I are old washed pos is. We've been

521
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 2: around a very long time, and for that we know

522
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Speaker 2: what the truth is. My response to this, Chuck would be,

523
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Speaker 2: is there a possible interpretation of what Dana is saying

524
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Speaker 2: as merely being a function of, Hey, we're going to

525
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Speaker 2: get rid of them in our version of boxing, like

526
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Speaker 2: we're not going to use them at all, not a

527
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 2: sense that we're out we're designed to like stamp them out. Yes,

528
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Speaker 2: I suppose that is what interpretation you could take. But

529
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Speaker 2: this is where I come down on this, Chuck, and

530
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Speaker 2: I would love to get your thoughts, namely, if you

531
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Speaker 2: know anything about the UFC's DNA and now TKO's DNA

532
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,919
Speaker 2: because it has kind of transferred up. They don't do

533
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 2: anything to share power. That's not what they do. What

534
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 2: they do is they want all of it. The number

535
00:24:55,160 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 2: one feature their corporate DNA is control. The idea that

536
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 2: they're like, oh well, this is really about choice by

537
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 2: itself is you know, hard to believe. And more to

538
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 2: the point, when the guy says we're going to get

539
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 2: rid of them, clearly what they want is for their

540
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,120
Speaker 2: system to undermine the existing order, which they see as

541
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 2: so disastrous that they don't even want to get into

542
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Speaker 2: boxing until they have a workaround.

543
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Speaker 4: That's exactly the way I see it, Luke, And you know,

544
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Speaker 4: it's funny you mentioned that because what Dana is putting

545
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 4: out there is exactly that. It's that they want to coexist,

546
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 4: but that has never been actually a term that they

547
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Speaker 4: ever want to do. And that's why, you know, we've

548
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 4: ended up in with lawsuits and everything else.

549
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Speaker 3: Remember when they purchased strike for US whatever year that.

550
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Speaker 4: Was, and there was like this line eleven, Yeah, twenty eleven,

551
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Speaker 4: which is that's crazy, has been that long, but just

552
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Speaker 4: the business as usual kind of comment. That comes out

553
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Speaker 4: of Dana White, and I mean, obviously we've seen multiple

554
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Speaker 4: versions of this over the years where there's a softer

555
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Speaker 4: kind of intrigue to the language of what they're doing,

556
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Speaker 4: and then it just comes down to the to the

557
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Speaker 4: hard facts of what they're going to do. And this

558
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Speaker 4: just seems to me that they're trying to present something

559
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Speaker 4: and you know, if this revival act goes through and

560
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Speaker 4: they're able to kind of accomplish that, it's just I

561
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 4: think that they look at it as like a funneling

562
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Speaker 4: into their way of thinking, and that everybody will come

563
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Speaker 4: to their way of thinking in the end. It's a

564
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Speaker 4: long play, right like over the next couple of years.

565
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Speaker 4: So I think that that's kind of where we're at.

566
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Speaker 4: And especially when you look at I guess the soft launch.

567
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Speaker 4: I don't know how you see it. And I know

568
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Speaker 4: we're going to talk about this of zoof of boxing

569
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 4: and what they're doing, but they just don't they don't

570
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Speaker 4: want to coexist and play nice with competing companies.

571
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Speaker 3: We've just known that for years, right, That's who they are.

572
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Speaker 2: That's it just I mean, I just think it's so

573
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Speaker 2: naive to be like, oh, you know, hey, if boxers

574
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Speaker 2: want this opportunity. Yeah, for now while it exists. For sure,

575
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Speaker 2: that might be a thing. And again, boxing is a

576
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Speaker 2: worldwide sport. I don't know if there is a world

577
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 2: where all of the same bodies go away. But the

578
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 2: model is not. Hey, we want to put on non

579
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Speaker 2: sanctioning bodied boxing.

580
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Speaker 4: And he'll treat it like a like a you know,

581
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 4: like an abusive relationship. It'll just be keeping reiterated that

582
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 4: boxing is broke and he's there to fix it, and

583
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 4: it's going to be this reiteration again and again.

584
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Speaker 2: You know, this is why the legislation, by the way,

585
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Speaker 2: independent of this comment. We'll get to Dana's other comments

586
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 2: here in a minute, but like, this is why the

587
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 2: legislation to me, Chuck feels like so like self contradictory.

588
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 3: Is because you actually read their.

589
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 2: Fuller comments and also just like how they answered certain

590
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 2: questions that came to them from you know, various congressmen.

591
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 2: Their answers are all like, yeah, this model that exists

592
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 2: is a fucking disaster and has ruined boxing, but we don't.

593
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 3: Want to change it.

594
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Speaker 2: We just want to Like, why would you not want

595
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 2: to change if what you're saying is all of these

596
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 2: pieces created disaster.

597
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 3: Don't you want to get rid of that? Like I don't.

598
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,959
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, everyone else can have the very condition

599
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 2: created disaster we don't want.

600
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Speaker 4: If you want the remedy, though, they come to us.

601
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 4: I mean it's like this is and they've they've done

602
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 4: this the whole way. I mean, Dana since he's talked

603
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 4: about boxing, has been planting these seeds, right, Like it's

604
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 4: been a constant, you know, a constant kind of reiteration

605
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 4: that boxing has broken, like that everything's a fire like

606
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 4: you watch the Big Event, it's a fire sail, those

607
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 4: types of things. It's all kind of geared up to

608
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 4: this moment. But do you think they're gonna stop himpacking

609
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 4: the like that? You know, they're gonna keep doing this

610
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 4: until they win in that sense, because that's what they've

611
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 4: always done. Is like it's always been a kind of

612
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 4: larger shaping of perception, right, And I think that if

613
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 4: you get enough boxers and they they're able to kind

614
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Speaker 4: of get a foothold on it, it gets very interesting

615
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 4: because I don't know, I don't, I don't. They don't lose, right,

616
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 4: Have we seen Dana lose in these situations?

617
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 3: It just feels like he's always won.

618
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: They always That's the other part two is that they

619
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 2: consistently win, So are they whether or not it's good or.

620
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Speaker 4: Bad, it's inevitable now is interesting though, Like just like

621
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 4: what they had been, they had been playing nice, right,

622
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 4: like kind of they've been respectful of each other, and

623
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Speaker 4: I feel like if that's a facade, like it's kind

624
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 4: of ending at this point, don't you think. I mean,

625
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 4: I feel like they're kind of sniping now more than

626
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 4: more than anything else.

627
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 2: And well, him and Oscar obviously Daniel, oh yeah, that's

628
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 2: that's been burned for a while. But with Eddie your ride,

629
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 2: that they kind of played nice, but I mean, Eddie

630
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 2: is not Eddie is not an idiot. He has to

631
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 2: know that they're coming for him. What I think is

632
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 2: kind of funny is the sanctioning bodies are all like, yeah,

633
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 2: we're not worried about ZUFA boxing.

634
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 4: You fucking idiots, And in a way, indirectly that's part

635
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 4: of the problem, that kind of stubborn like idiocy, you

636
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 4: know what I mean. I'm like, dude, you should pay

637
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 4: attention to what's coming at you here.

638
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 2: They they just the reality is there is I mean

639
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 2: Turkey is obviously a very big and powerful force in boxing.

640
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 2: I don't want to minimize that, But what I want

641
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 2: to say is boxing has no power player like the UFC.

642
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 2: They don't exist in boxing. You are allowing an entrant

643
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 2: to the market, assuming that the laws get changed, which

644
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 2: I suspect that they will.

645
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 3: But what I'm.

646
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 2: To put a bow on this, You're allowing someone into

647
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 2: boxing that heretofore has not existed. You motherfuckers have no

648
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 2: concept of what you're up against, but you're about to

649
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 2: find out, trust me, all right.

650
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 4: Just simplification too, right, Like I always said, the barrier

651
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 4: of entry in boxing has always been a little bit complicated.

652
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 4: The alphabet, all the different belts, the different weight classes,

653
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 4: and so if you look at the UFC's model, you

654
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 4: always say, like, oh.

655
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 3: I get it.

656
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 4: You know that guy's one hundred and thirty fi pounds,

657
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 4: he's of the champion. It was a much easier approach

658
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 4: to get into. And I feel like that's going to

659
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 4: be something that the UFC tries to bring to boxing,

660
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 4: which is the simplification of what you're looking at. So,

661
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 4: like the barrier of entry is way easier for fans

662
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 4: to get into it, and understand exactly what they're looking at.

663
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, the problem is you got to watch Callum Walsh.

664
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 2: We'll talk about that in a minute.

665
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 3: All right, Chuck, is it now?

666
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 2: One thing that BC and I have done to great

667
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 2: effect over the years is baselessly speculate like two fucking Indians.

668
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 2: So we're gonna ask you to do something along those

669
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 2: traditional lines. Is it my imagination or does White not

670
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 2: sound particularly enthusiastic or at least maybe optimistic, or you'll

671
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 2: see about the idea of Taporia basically fighting the winner

672
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 2: of Gaechee Pimblet on a reasonable timeline. We've got an

673
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 2: answer for this. Let's watch the tape and then see

674
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 2: what you think.

675
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 3: Era, So what can fans expect? What are you excited for?

676
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 7: Yeah?

677
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 9: I mean it's a great card. Like you said, the

678
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 9: main event is fun and title implications, and everybody wants

679
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 9: the winner of this fight to fight Illiot Toaporia. See

680
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 9: how that plays out throughout the year. And then the

681
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 9: Kayla Harrison and men in Unaz fight is the greatest

682
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 9: women's fight of all time.

683
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 2: Now, since this moment, Chuck Tapooria had kind of intimated

684
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 2: in Spanish media he's looking at maybe I think end

685
00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 2: of second quarter. Maybe maybe it more sounded like third quarter, Yeah,

686
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 2: which that timing could work. I don't know that would

687
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 2: be ideal, but you could do it. What is your

688
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 2: sense now about whether that will happen. I mean, I

689
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 2: feel like it's up in the air right.

690
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 4: This is one of those strange atmospheres that sometimes a

691
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 4: star will create just because of the gravity that they

692
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 4: pull in and there's a lot of eyes on him.

693
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 4: I think that the UFC probably views Ilia at this

694
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 4: point as kind of like a you know, maybe it's

695
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 4: biggest star. And if you see kind of the tabloid

696
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 4: response like that he got just walking to court and

697
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 4: things like that, I think they want to just put

698
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 4: their foot on the gas pedal with him and the

699
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 4: Paramount plus era and move. And you can sense there's

700
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 4: a big time frustration right with this whole thing, and

701
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 4: I think that that uncertainty. I don't think the UFC

702
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 4: loves this kind of drama because a lot of times

703
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 4: when you get people with personal issues that are kind

704
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 4: of keeping them away from competing, when the personally like

705
00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 4: if they come in and intervene, I just feel like

706
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 4: the UFC has navigated that very well. We haven't seen

707
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 4: a lot of this type of thing exactly, at least

708
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 4: in a person like in this spot that Eliot's a

709
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 4: Pooria is in. So I feel like what you're catching

710
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 4: there is the first glimpse of some frustration of maybe

711
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 4: not knowing and maybe not being confident that something like

712
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 4: that's gonna happ Maybe it's already planting the seeds that hey,

713
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 4: we're gonna watch this fight on January twenty fourth, and

714
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 4: it might not be Iliot's Aporia who's the dangling carrot

715
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 4: behind it?

716
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 2: The reality is too and I don't know how you

717
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 2: feel about it. I would love for you to tell

718
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 2: me here, which is what I will honestly say this.

719
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 3: I am not.

720
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 2: Prepared in any way whatsoever to say, and I don't

721
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 2: because I don't think it's true that the ESPN era

722
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 2: of the UFC was some kind of failure that that

723
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 2: really does not seem accurate to me.

724
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 4: However, although you could never get to your damn pay

725
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 4: per views when you're trying to order them, and I

726
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 4: think the personal.

727
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 3: Fulness, what the fuck was that?

728
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 2: I mean, you know you've got I wanted to fucking

729
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 2: kill those people, but okay, I mean not really concess.

730
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 3: But what the fuck, guys, oh man, but the start

731
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 3: of Fight night right, go ahead. But the truth is, Chuck.

732
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 2: If I if I'm trying to pinpoint the biggest challenge

733
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 2: that I do think that the UFC has in the

734
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 2: paramount era, it is that from the beginning of the

735
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: ESPN era to the end of the ESPN era, it

736
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 2: is not.

737
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 3: I don't.

738
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 2: I do not believe that the evidence suggests that MMA

739
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 2: got more popular, certainly not in the United States. In fact,

740
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 2: I think it declined to a degree, and I'm not

741
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 2: substantially so, but it was not as good as it

742
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 2: was when it first started, which is kind of surprising

743
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 2: because you would have thought it would have elevated it,

744
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 2: which means to me there's a larger set of forces

745
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 2: in play, and that ESPN might have been good about

746
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 2: minimizing perhaps some of the kind of slide. I think

747
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 2: the biggest challenge that they have is in doing it,

748
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 2: and to all the points that you raise, Chuck, here's

749
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 2: the other issue is that they would love to be

750
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 2: able to say, hey, this next person gets to Poria,

751
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 2: but they don't know that it's just so uncertain they

752
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 2: can't commit to it, and so to me building stars

753
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 2: that the North American market can rally behind even in

754
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 2: the absence of pay per view. Chuck is going to

755
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 2: be one of the biggest tests of the UFC in

756
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 2: paramounts combining might in the next seven years.

757
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 3: I truly believe that one hundred percent. And was it you.

758
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 4: I feel like it was you who's pointing out that

759
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 4: you have these Dagistani, you know, grinding types who may

760
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 4: not have the most esthetically pleasing style, and you know,

761
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 4: just Russian, like these Russian wrestlers, And you wonder at

762
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 4: some point because if you imagine a world where all

763
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 4: these guys are just able to break through. Let's say

764
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 4: that you know, Mozar is able to kind of break

765
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 4: through and he wins, and you keep getting these guys

766
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 4: who are maybe not your best seller, especially in North

767
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 4: American audience, and certainly not in the in the kind

768
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 4: of esthetic of what you want, which is guys going

769
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 4: in there for finishes. And you have guys who are

770
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 4: now winning decisions one sidedly, and you have too much

771
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 4: of that.

772
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 3: You can see it being a detriment.

773
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 4: And I start to wonder in this new model, you know,

774
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 4: and we've talked to like I've been talking about this

775
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 4: a lot like the meritocracy may shift, there may not

776
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 4: be a meritocracy. But I really wonder if you're going

777
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 4: to see the kind of John Fitch treatment of a

778
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 4: lot of these fighters that are coming up just not

779
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 4: getting the shots, you know what I mean, Because I

780
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 4: it seems to me you could have an era very

781
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 4: quickly where it would just be you have a bunch

782
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 4: of Russian and Dagistan champions, and that would not be

783
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 4: a good look for a North American eye.

784
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 3: So especially in a new era like this.

785
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 4: And I agree with you one hundred percent, man, all

786
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 4: it's kind of been plateauing in a strange way, and

787
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 4: I you know, you try to pinpoint exactly what it is,

788
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 4: if it's inundation of cards, if it's just too many events.

789
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 3: Or whatever it is.

790
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 4: But I feel like that's where they're going to have

791
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 4: to look at this, if they're going to distinguish themselves

792
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 4: on a new platform where this is the first time

793
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 4: where they're not kind of a flagship, you know, going in,

794
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 4: Like with ESPN Plus, they were kind of well, this

795
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 4: is the reason to get ESPN plus. Paramount already exists,

796
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 4: the paramount already has programming and they're just part of

797
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 4: new programming. So how do you distinguish yourself and how

798
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 4: do you continue to rise? And I feel like that

799
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 4: is one hundred percent the UFC's maybe for the first

800
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 4: time in a long time, their new kind of challenge

801
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 4: in this whole thing.

802
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the true.

803
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 2: I mean, the reality is, you know, with these Russian guys,

804
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 2: I mean you've got two problems. On the one hand,

805
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 2: you can actually be not one of these wrestler types.

806
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 2: You can be an exciting striker type, but if you

807
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: don't speak English, you're not a dynamic personality that can

808
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 2: hurt you, even if you're a winning fighter. And then

809
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 2: the other side, Chuck, the reality is, there's always been

810
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 2: like ground and pound guys to your point, like you

811
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 2: know John Fisch take down ground pound types. But it

812
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 2: was never like a situation where there was almost like

813
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 2: a regional issue with it, where like so many from

814
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 2: one particular part on the map you could circle had

815
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 2: similar kinds of skill sets that that kind of scale

816
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 2: problem was not the case. You could find guys who

817
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 2: were a Japanese or American or Brazilian who would do it,

818
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 2: but you know they were there wasn't a unifying geographical

819
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 2: force in that.

820
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 4: Way, especially one that the UFC doesn't even visit, Like

821
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,040
Speaker 4: the UFC doesn't visit this these areas.

822
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 3: And they're not super lucrative for them.

823
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 2: As a consequence, they can't even go do business there

824
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 2: in that same, you know, normal kind of way. All right,

825
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: But that's that part. Getting now to the last of this.

826
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 2: This is to me the more interesting kind of question here.

827
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 2: Let's talk about what armand sar yuki In basically at

828
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 2: excuse me, hold on, yes, we'll see what We'll see

829
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 2: what Armands are yuki In basically admits I want I

830
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 2: want to show you this clip about why he didn't

831
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 2: get a title shot because it's all related to Dana,

832
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 2: and then see what you have to say.

833
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 6: Some fans thought Armand should have been the one to

834
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 6: get a one to fifty five title pound shot.

835
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 9: We knew that would happen to.

836
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 6: Of course, did the head putt play any factor in

837
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 6: the decision to not go with him?

838
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 9: It did, right, A lot of things have yeah, the

839
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 9: factor in you know, yeah, yes.

840
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 2: Okay, I thought for a second the clip was labeled

841
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 2: in a way I messed it up. But yes, you

842
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 2: heard Dana there now speaking about Arman, Chuck, I have

843
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 2: mixed feelings about this. Where do you come down on

844
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 2: Dana's decision to not award him a title shot based

845
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 2: on this and conceivably other factors as well.

846
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 4: Well, I'm interested to hear your opinion, but my you know,

847
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 4: my take on it was that this guy has been

848
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 4: perpetually behind the eight ball ever since we kicked off

849
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 4: last year. At this time, I think what was a

850
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 4: UFC three to eleven or whatever it was, and Arman

851
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 4: obviously falls out the eleventh hour, is not able to

852
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,280
Speaker 4: uphold his obligation for a title fight, and I feel

853
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 4: like he's been fighting from the doghouse ever since. So

854
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 4: going into this situation, I don't know how you felt.

855
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 4: It was cool to see armand kind of returning in

856
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 4: a big spotlight event, especially kind of given the spotlight

857
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 4: of like being on TV and stuff like that. In

858
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 4: a moment that was kind of being dubbed a number one.

859
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 4: Considered fight like he should be the guy, right if

860
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 4: he wins. But as soon as he went out there

861
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 4: and did that, I was almost like, I bet you

862
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 4: anything if it doesn't. You know, it was a stupid

863
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 4: thing to do. It was a stupid thing to kind

864
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 4: of jeopardize the fight in that way to lose, especially

865
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 4: given your track record of what had already happened. But

866
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 4: I immediately thought this probably factors into the UFC's decision. I

867
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 4: don't know how you felt about it, but just because

868
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 4: I feel like he's under different kind of scrutiny from

869
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 4: the UFC, I certainly don't think that Dana White loves

870
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 4: Armand Serukian right now. It just felt like, dude, you

871
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 4: just made another bone hitted thing, and this could you

872
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 4: just gave him reason essentially to overlook you in that

873
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 4: next title shot.

874
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 3: That's how it struck me. I do have mixed feelings

875
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 3: about it.

876
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, So when when when Armand first did

877
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 2: the head But this was the UFC guitar made event

878
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 2: before he fought Dan Hooker. I tweeted with like, I

879
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 2: quote tweeted, I took the clip of it, and then

880
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 2: I quote to you, like, you know, he's lucky that

881
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 2: like nothing bad happened, because obviously, if you have those

882
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 2: of us who've been around a while have seen people

883
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,240
Speaker 2: do shit like this and then someone gets You can't

884
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 2: believe it, but it happens. Someone gets injured on the scales,

885
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 2: they get a cut, you know whatever, and then the

886
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 2: fight is off. I've literally seen this kind of shit

887
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 2: before and so I was like, this is just stupid

888
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 2: to do it, dude. My mentions were filled with people

889
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 2: being like, hey, you know, boomerass bitch, it's no big deal,

890
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 2: and I'm like, do you not know anything about how

891
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 2: commissions feel. I really was like, you know, the Qatar commission,

892
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 2: that's probably a newish one and operating in a way

893
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 2: that's you know, closely aligned with the promotion's interests. But

894
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 2: as a general rule, like commissions, they don't like that shit,

895
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 2: not at all at all. And I try to explain

896
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: to people you used to see boxing face offs chuck

897
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 2: where he'd be two guys standing there and there'd be

898
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:31,720
Speaker 2: no promoter and then.

899
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 3: A fucking fistfight long before the fights at.

900
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 2: Right, they instituted a rule that the promoter had to

901
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 2: be there, had to provide security to prevent stuff like

902
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 2: that happening. So fucking arminsar U can headbutting people is

903
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 2: stupid and dangerous and dumb, and I can understand whether

904
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 2: the UFC would not like that. You add on the

905
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 2: fact that he was punching a fan previously, and it's like, dude,

906
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 2: do you need anger management classes? Please stop doing shit

907
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,720
Speaker 2: that will fuck with the business. So the promotion having

908
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 2: a degree of trepidation about, you know, awarding him a

909
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 2: title shot. I can understand it on some level, but

910
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 2: when you really think about it, actually doesn't make a

911
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 2: lot of sense. Do you really think that if you

912
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 2: gave him a title shot? I mean, I guess you

913
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 2: could say because of this the Makachev fight, that you

914
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 2: don't trust him to make it to the finish line.

915
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 2: But the problem with that argument is, Chuck, they've actually

916
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 2: never told us what exactly it was. There's been rumors

917
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 2: that he'd had something else from you know, negligence or something,

918
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 2: but as far as the promotions public facing response has been,

919
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,479
Speaker 2: that's never been an answer. More to the point, none

920
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 2: of this would ever matter in boxing BC bad habits.

921
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 3: Sorry, Yeah, yeah, I know.

922
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 2: Now I have to get buzzed in my rectum by

923
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 2: something as a consequence. But the reality is this would

924
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 2: never happen in boxing. It would never happen. They would

925
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 2: just find a way to look past it. And I'm

926
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: not saying that's healthy. What I'm saying is this, we

927
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 2: have allowed the basic concept of the motor in this

928
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 2: particular case working with independent contractors, which is not the

929
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 2: case with you know, Caleb Williams, who's an employee of

930
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 2: the Bears and they're part of the sort of federated league.

931
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 2: That's a very different relationship. We have just kind of

932
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 2: allowed them to say, oh, you are not only the

933
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 2: person that makes the rankings, which is not how I

934
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,919
Speaker 2: work in boxing, but you are also the person who

935
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 2: gets to act paternalistically when you don't feel like it.

936
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 2: And I think that's just seeding them a lot of

937
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 2: power that should be more negotiated. But there's no one

938
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 2: on behalf of the fighters who can negotiate this kind

939
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 2: of stuff. The last thing I'm going to say is

940
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 2: it's also a very convenient excuse to get them to

941
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 2: really blow up Patty when they have an opportunity to

942
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 2: do it, because if they really put Patty in front

943
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 2: of Arman, Armin's beating the fuck out of him, and

944
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 2: that's just.

945
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 3: What's going to happen.

946
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 4: It has occurred to me, and I think, like, you know,

947
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 4: if you're running a business, and you know, you take

948
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 4: kind of the fairness out of it and you're saying, like, well,

949
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 4: what's best for a paramount plus first card? You're probably

950
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 4: going to do that, right, Like we're talking about it

951
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 4: from like a Diehard standpoint, not even Diehard.

952
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 3: But just a person like people who are used.

953
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 4: To a meritocracy, like you're being sold something which was

954
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 4: at armand Suruk. If he gets by Dan Hook, he's

955
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 4: going to get a title fight. Well that's not the

956
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 4: way it's going to work in the end. And it's

957
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 4: understandable in the sense that Justin Gaetchee will bring a

958
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 4: fight to Patty Pimblet that maybe fits Paddy Pemblet's to

959
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 4: a tee and you can actually now you can kind

960
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 4: of build a star, you know, build a star, a

961
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 4: bigger star in this moment and the very first look

962
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 4: at the new UFC on paramount so you can look

963
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 4: at all of that, and I mean this kind of

964
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 4: goes back to everything we were talking about. I feel

965
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 4: like what they you know, what the UFC wants, like

966
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 4: you mentioned, just kind of on their druthers, well let's

967
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 4: just do this instead could become rampant, you know what

968
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 4: I mean. I think that this is one of those

969
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 4: new situations where there used to be a large outcry

970
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 4: for this kind of thing, and I feel like people

971
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 4: kind of complain about it in their breath, but then

972
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 4: they immediately accept, like man, can't wait for Paddy pimblet

973
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 4: against Justin Gaegee, you know what I.

974
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 2: Mean, Yes, totally. It's just a weird thing. It's just

975
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 2: we allot we've conditioned ourselves to be like, oh, the

976
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 2: UFC has you know, a right to not want to

977
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 2: get in business with someone who does risky behavior. And

978
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 2: on some level, I don't disagree with that. I think

979
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:27,760
Speaker 2: they have they their money and their interests also matters

980
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 2: in how it matters significantly and how these kinds of bouts.

981
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 4: I mean in Diegilopez, right, like Diego Lopez in the

982
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 4: other fight that got made kind of skipping the queue

983
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 4: there even though he just even though Volkanowski has already

984
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 4: beat him and Evlov has already beat you know, Diego

985
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 4: back that he without losing sense. But I mean they're

986
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 4: going to justify it. How they're going to justify it,

987
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 4: I think going forward.

988
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:49,399
Speaker 3: That's the other part.

989
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 2: So it's just ad hoc, right, Yeah, It's just everything's

990
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 2: at hoc. We don't feel like it We've got this

991
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 2: reason we've got that reason. And meanwhile, last thing on

992
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,399
Speaker 2: this did you see Arman like I think he tech

993
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 2: falled Palmer?

994
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 3: Who, Yeah, I did see that. Lance Palmer has made.

995
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 2: The most amount of money in North America for an

996
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 2: MMA fighter that basically nobody knows. That's so true, right,

997
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 2: he mean, I think he won two PFL tournaments and

998
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 2: he made money in any event. He just he destroyed

999
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 2: him over an RAF. So he's staying busy doing that, Chuck.

1000
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 2: Before we get to topic number three, I noticed in

1001
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 2: the background there you have an old school Denver helmet.

1002
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 3: Is that right? Yes, it is, sir.

1003
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 4: I think they were this one from like the seventies

1004
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 4: all the way to ninety seven or ninety eight.

1005
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 3: But yeah, old.

1006
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 2: School, Yeah, definitely old school. They are playing who this

1007
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:39,720
Speaker 2: weekend in the NFL playoffs.

1008
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 4: On Saturday, they'll be playing the Buffalo Bills, a rematch

1009
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 4: from last year's playoffs. So, but this time it's in Denver,

1010
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 4: So I feel like we'll get a little bit of

1011
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 4: a different outcome.

1012
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 2: Here, bro, I just got back from fucking Bogota, Colombia.

1013
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 3: I don't know how.

1014
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a little higher than Denver, but the

1015
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 2: Thinness of the air, don't. I don't know how y'all

1016
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 2: do it out there. I know you're not there anymore, but.

1017
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,879
Speaker 4: You've been, but you were pretty high when you're out there.

1018
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 4: Last time I remember seeing you atory events.

1019
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 2: I went to a dispensary out there.

1020
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 3: I will say that.

1021
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 4: I will say that Josh Allen, Josh Allen played college

1022
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,720
Speaker 4: ball at Wyoming, which is at a higher elevation than Denver,

1023
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 4: So I don't know how much it'll factor in for

1024
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 4: him specifically. And he's actually the element of terror for

1025
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 4: the Denver Broncos going into that game.

1026
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 2: Well, I got to tell you, Chuck, here's what we

1027
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,239
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1028
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,480
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1029
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1041
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1042
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Speaker 4: Gosh, I'm gonna say less. And part of that is

1044
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 4: just Pittsburgh on Monday nights is just ridiculous, Like it

1045
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:18,839
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1046
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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers two hundred and three and a half, I

1050
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,040
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1051
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Speaker 3: H I don't.

1052
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 2: I don't know how I believe about that. Also for uh,

1053
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 2: let's see for receiving yards. How about DK Metcalf. Obviously

1054
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 2: he's playing for Steelers against Houston forty four excuse me,

1055
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 2: fifty four and a half for seal.

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1060
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00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:55,759
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Speaker 2: time offer all Right, Chuck, topic number three. So since

1088
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 2: we were on last there's been just basically a gazillion

1089
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 2: different fight announcements, some more interesting than others. Let's talk

1090
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 2: about the ones that appeal a little bit more to me.

1091
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 2: We were doing some digging on the show, Chuck, and

1092
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 2: we don't have anything to announce, but we're just looking

1093
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 2: at who's available. Let's put up this graphic if we can.

1094
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 2: This is women's strawweight, So everyone who is in red

1095
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 2: there has a fight booked, which means McKenzie obviously as

1096
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 2: the champion does not, Jeong wy Lee does not, Ian

1097
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 2: Chao Nan does not. And then after that we're not

1098
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 2: talking about people who are going to be getting title shots.

1099
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 2: And of course Jeong Way Lee on Shannan could fight again, Chuck,

1100
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 2: but there would be no point to that exactly. In

1101
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 2: other words, what I'm saying to you is in a

1102
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 2: world where Jenji roblond Ricci has been Yeah, exactly where

1103
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 2: James rober Ricci has been made or swore Az Godinez.

1104
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 2: These are, by the way, great fights. Are you interested

1105
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 2: in Dern versus Jeong Wylie If that's the former champion's

1106
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 2: first fight back at Straway.

1107
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 4: It kind of feels inevitable, And I mean, you get

1108
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 4: a situation where Jeong Lelly, she leaves the division, she

1109
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 4: goes and Chase's history it doesn't work out. We knew

1110
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 4: that this could be an eventuality. I think that a

1111
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 4: lot of people were like, does she come back? Does

1112
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 4: she stay there? But to lose the way she did

1113
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 4: to Valentina doesn't leave her a good reason to stay

1114
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 4: up and weight. So I feel like the natural move

1115
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 4: if she wants to continue, which I think the indications

1116
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 4: are that she does want to continue, is to go

1117
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 4: back down to kind of rightfully claim what is hers

1118
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 4: And let's face it, I don't know how you feel

1119
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 4: about this man, but Mackenzie Dern, that was a cool thing.

1120
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 3: It was cool. She gotta fight John de Robe.

1121
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,399
Speaker 4: She was able to, like, you know, do works kind

1122
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 4: of really show a full one to eighty evolution from

1123
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 4: the time she started in the sport and she was

1124
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 4: so raw on the feet and all that stuff to

1125
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 4: the time where she's kind of landing good combinations and

1126
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 4: actually looks competent and is able to get it done

1127
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 4: in such a way and win a title. But it

1128
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 4: feels a little bit like masquerading, right because I think

1129
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 4: when you look at Johan why Lee, it's like she

1130
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 4: was so dominant. It was almost like the Rosanama Unis.

1131
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 4: Those losses galvanized her, like in the way that Matt Sarah,

1132
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 4: you know, galvanized gsp. It just put her on another

1133
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 4: level where she was never gonna be complacent. She was

1134
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 4: only gonna better, gonna be obsessed with it. And I

1135
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 4: just feel like at that weight she's still the best.

1136
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 4: So I feel like she's gonna come back and get

1137
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 4: what's hers. And unfortunately, I would take all the pictures

1138
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 4: I could if I'm Mackenzie doing I'm taking all the

1139
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 4: pictures that Cam shut up, all the events, all the

1140
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 4: red carpet with my belt, because I feel like it's

1141
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 4: a short lived thing that she's got going on there.

1142
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree that she's older and also to the

1143
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 2: point you raise, I mean, was there a skill difference

1144
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 2: between Chevchenko and Jehan Whi Lee. Maybe on some level,

1145
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 2: probably with the wrestling and top control, you could say that,

1146
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 2: but like it just felt like the size was insurmountable.

1147
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and so what and minafi ro O not

1148
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 2: for nothing? Also big and physical for that weight class, Like,

1149
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 2: what is really the.

1150
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 3: Plan you got?

1151
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 4: She was kind of working chef Chenko a little bit

1152
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 4: early in that fight, so busted.

1153
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep.

1154
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 2: But to the point you raise, like, no, if you

1155
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,760
Speaker 2: want to compete, you got to go back down. Dearn's

1156
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 2: got no one basically just kind of seems like that

1157
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 2: is inevitable.

1158
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 3: All right.

1159
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 2: Some other ones we have here as well. One of

1160
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 2: the great stories shock of twenty twenty five was Milky Costa.

1161
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 2: Just an incredible run he had there. He's now making

1162
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 2: his run up the one hundred and forty five Divisions

1163
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 2: Contendership Q with about now opposite of Dan fifty k Ega.

1164
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,280
Speaker 2: This will be on the main card of UFC Houston.

1165
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,439
Speaker 2: That's the one headline by Sean Strickland and Fluffy Hernandez

1166
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 2: is Ega too much of a challenge for the surgeon

1167
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 2: Coasta or just exactly the right one.

1168
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 4: I do think he's a big escalation of talent, you know,

1169
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 4: for a challenge. But I think that's the right move.

1170
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 4: What is he ranked like something like fourteenth in the

1171
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 4: UFC's rankings. I know he's like he's in the rankings,

1172
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 4: he's in their rankings, and you kind of need like

1173
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 4: Danny is one of the guys who I think in

1174
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,760
Speaker 4: the public's mind, or at least the fight public's mind

1175
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 4: has hovered around contendership. Maybe's not the guy, but he's

1176
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 4: always kind of in that space where like he could

1177
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 4: be lurking. So I feel like you kind of get

1178
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 4: that veteran juice from a ranked guy who won't overpower.

1179
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 4: I think Danny Gay's probably a little longer in the

1180
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 4: tooth and maybe not the same guy he was a

1181
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 4: few years ago. So I think it's a good escalation

1182
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:31,879
Speaker 4: if you're trying to get a guy over and give

1183
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,320
Speaker 4: it and let him prove it against like a veteran

1184
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 4: who's been there and done that.

1185
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:37,240
Speaker 3: Danny Gays you indicated.

1186
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's my computer his, but Danny

1187
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 2: Gays you indicated it's still ranked fourteenth. I just double

1188
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 2: checked He's still ranked fourteenth. And I'm not saying that

1189
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 2: this is Neil Magni territory. That's not my point. But

1190
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 2: I am saying Egay is well rounded, he is experienced.

1191
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 2: He's not the best featherweight, but he's a very good one.

1192
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 2: He's a clear like, are you somebody who's gonna make

1193
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 2: a little noise. You're only gonna be that guy if

1194
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 2: you can get past Dan Like, You're not gonna be

1195
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 2: that guy if you can't. Right, So it's a great

1196
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 2: opportunity for him there as well. Okay, another yeah, by

1197
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 2: the way, as we indicated active longest active wind streaks

1198
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 2: in the UFC for the way division with six right now,

1199
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 2: the only two above him are the guys who arguably

1200
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 2: have title shots, or at least should should be having

1201
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 2: title shots, I should say, in most sorry of loyev

1202
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 2: and then Laren Murphy. By the way, don't sleep on

1203
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 2: Steve Garcia, who also had a great twenty twenty five. Okay, Now,

1204
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 2: speaking of more Neil Magne types, Walter Walker is gonna

1205
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 2: face Marching Tybora. This would be at the UFC Seattle Card,

1206
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,879
Speaker 2: I believe. Now Here's why I bring up the Neil

1207
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 2: Magnet part because marching Tiborah kind of sort of serves

1208
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 2: in that role at heavyweight. In other words, if you

1209
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 2: can't beat him, for sure, you're not gonna do shit

1210
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 2: in this division. But if you can't, it at least

1211
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 2: gets you to the next spot. Do you like the matchup?

1212
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1213
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 4: I mean, and I think that because he's such a way,

1214
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 4: he's like forty years old.

1215
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:01,919
Speaker 3: The dude's been around forever.

1216
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 4: And I think that, like when you get a guy

1217
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 4: like Febora and yeah, Tybora, and if you're forty years old,

1218
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 4: so we're talking about him in that Neil Magnet role.

1219
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 4: I think that what he presents is a wiliness to

1220
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 4: not get caught in a first round. He'll hook, you

1221
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 4: know what I mean. Like, and the way it was

1222
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 4: just basically been Walker's kind of bread and butter through

1223
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 4: his UFC career so far, I think that you get.

1224
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 4: I think he's going to force Walker to kind of

1225
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,839
Speaker 4: show us something else, maybe go into the deep waters

1226
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 4: a little bit.

1227
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 3: We'll see.

1228
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 4: It could go either way, but this fight obviously is

1229
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 4: all about a guy who's twenty eight years old. You

1230
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:36,399
Speaker 4: have a division where it's just difficult to get guys

1231
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 4: in their twenties who are ready to kind of take

1232
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 4: out these staples that have been there forever and just

1233
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 4: kind of beating each other up at the top. I

1234
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 4: think that that's where it's kind of the intrigue, right.

1235
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 4: It's like Alt's coming up and he gets this chance

1236
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 4: to kind of break through against a guy that most people,

1237
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 4: if you follow the fight game, you know who Marsinerburrow is.

1238
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 4: So I think that it's the right challenge and I

1239
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 4: think we get to see probably something new in this

1240
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 4: fight from him.

1241
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,240
Speaker 2: By the way, this card Not for Nothing is pretty great.

1242
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 2: It's got the worst name if you're Dana White for

1243
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 2: the Arena Climate Pledge. I know he doesn't like that,

1244
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 2: but uh, the main event Alexa Grosso Macy Barber. That's

1245
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 2: a banger. That's a great fight. Marchine Tember versus Walter Walker.

1246
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 2: That's got some It's got important for the division at

1247
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 2: a bare minimum. Although I have to say heavyweight is.

1248
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 4: Buns bad, but all the more reason they need this

1249
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 4: guy to break through.

1250
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 3: I mean, you need new dudes to break through, right,

1251
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 3: they just need Gable steveson.

1252
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 2: Again, I'm not like he's a troubled figure, but it's

1253
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 2: just a guy who can win.

1254
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 3: Like it's just it seems like three times the champion

1255
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 3: is Daniel Cormier. I will say.

1256
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 2: That, right, whatever the fuck that means. By the way,

1257
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 2: a guy who University of Maryland guy a Manser Abdol

1258
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 2: Mahlik who's undefeated taking on Yu's rebil Garagi. I don't

1259
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 2: have to pronounce his last name, but he's in the middleweight.

1260
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 3: Uh.

1261
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 2: Also pretty interesting about there as well. Okay, going further

1262
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 2: down the list here if I can, it's gonna be

1263
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 2: Assy on Assy Crime Chop when Jamie Malarkey, who's replacing

1264
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 2: wrong Zoo, takes on Quillan sall Killed, who arguably had

1265
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 2: the KO of the year. You can see the tweet

1266
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 2: here from Bendaman two thousand and one. It's only the

1267
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 2: fifth time that there's been an Aussie versus Aussie match

1268
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 2: in UFC history.

1269
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 3: It's crazy, isn't that wild? They don't really.

1270
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 2: It's kind of funny too, because it's it's you know,

1271
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 2: it's funny, right, So they go to Brazil and they

1272
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 2: always book Brazilians versus somebody else, right, and then the

1273
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 2: crowd is always like you're gonna die. They love that

1274
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 2: kind of thing right, Yes, but I didn't know that they.

1275
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 2: I didn't know that they That's obviously a format they're

1276
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 2: going to take everywhere. I just didn't know it was

1277
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 2: so strictly held in Australia as well. I will tell

1278
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 2: you Malarkey, I'm not super high on. I mean, he's good,

1279
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 2: he plays a role sall killed might be pretty good.

1280
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 2: We don't know that yet, but I feel like this

1281
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 2: might tell us a little bit more.

1282
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 4: Well, he's Malarky's definitely a guy who's been around. I

1283
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 4: think he's I think I looked this up before, like

1284
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 4: he's a he he's perfect six and six, you know,

1285
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 4: and so he's like he's going to be the middle yeah,

1286
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 4: five hundred. I think that that's the kind of guy

1287
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 4: like if you if you are, you know it's all.

1288
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 4: Keyd is like the guy we think he is, or

1289
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 4: he could be, especially after that knockout of Half Grass,

1290
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 4: I think that he could do work on this and

1291
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 4: and make make his name even that much bigger. I

1292
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 4: feel like he was one of those guys who carried

1293
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 4: that intrigue into the new year, and I think it's

1294
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 4: a fun matchup. I'm just shocked that it's uh, this

1295
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 4: is only the fifth time. Because they've been to Australia

1296
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 4: so many times, you think that they would inevitably have

1297
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 4: to have some Assi versus ass action.

1298
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 3: Yo, Long Island.

1299
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 2: I know this one is making your balls itch because

1300
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 2: it's too Assis and none of them have any Long

1301
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 2: Island connection. How are you sizing this one up?

1302
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 6: Quillin Salkin is going to be a huge favorite in

1303
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 6: this I just message you guys both. Jamie Malarky's been

1304
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 6: knocked out in three of his last five. I think,

1305
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 6: oh man, we've seen what sal Killed can do.

1306
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 7: I feel like sal Kid's putting his lights out. But

1307
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 7: I'll be watching It'll be.

1308
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, I'll be watching that one as well.

1309
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 2: And then last specifically not at least again. There were

1310
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 2: other matchups that we're announced during the time off, which

1311
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 2: is kind of focusing on some of the ones that

1312
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 2: stand out a little bit more. But this is the

1313
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 2: one I'd love for you to speak on because I

1314
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 2: know you're going out there to cover it. ZUFA Boxing's

1315
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 2: debut main event is actually going to be the Friday

1316
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 2: before UFC three twenty four, and it's going to be

1317
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 2: at the Apex. It'll be in January twenty third. Now,

1318
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 2: of course, just like UFC, this is going to air

1319
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 2: on Paramount Plus. So if you're a UFC fan and

1320
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 2: you've got Paramount Plus, this will be available to you.

1321
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 2: It's gonna be Calum Walsh versus Carlos Ocampo. I asked

1322
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 2: to b C about this when they I think a

1323
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 2: while ago. I think we had known about it for

1324
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 2: some time on the boxing side of things, and you know,

1325
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 2: he didn't seem super high or super down on it,

1326
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 2: just kind of non plus.

1327
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 3: One would direction that. I don't want to speak for him.

1328
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 2: I'm just giving you you know what I recall from

1329
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 2: the conversation, jaded.

1330
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, well, yeah, of course he didn't say

1331
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 3: it was bad. He didn't. He didn't shit on the fight,

1332
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 3: but he was.

1333
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 2: You know, It's like, it's here's the thing about Klum Walsh,

1334
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 2: and this is what I want to pitch to you, Chuck. Okay,

1335
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 2: he's not a bad fighter, but I don't understand why

1336
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:02,439
Speaker 2: Dana White is.

1337
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 3: So high on him.

1338
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 2: I'm glad you said it, and I'm honestly, Dana White,

1339
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say this out loud, Dana White is not

1340
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 2: nearly as good an evaluator of talent as someone like

1341
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 2: Sean Shelby and presumably mcmaynard as well. But I could

1342
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 2: speak for Sean personally. I think I know him a

1343
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 2: little bit better, like he can't he doesn't have an

1344
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 2: eye for talent in that way. Remember you've seen that

1345
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 2: meme You're not that guy Pales like Callum, You're not

1346
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 2: that guy pal? Yeah, I mean, how are you feeling about.

1347
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 3: All of this?

1348
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 4: I mean the atmosphere is going to be lit, you

1349
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 4: know what I mean, like going into that Apex shoe.

1350
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 4: But and in fact that they like they didn't even

1351
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 4: announce it until like what, I don't even know when

1352
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 4: this came out, like for the longest time or two

1353
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 4: I know exactly. So like the fact that it's this

1354
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 4: feels very much like a soft opening, you know, like

1355
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 4: our soft launch for Zupah box. And I will say, man,

1356
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 4: I was at Calum Walsh's fight at Madison Square the

1357
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 4: theater over there during St. Patrick's stay, and I think

1358
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 4: he was fighting Dean Sutherland. Wasn't that the one the kid?

1359
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 4: But anyways, at that fight, and I was trying to

1360
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 4: figure out exactly what you're talking about, which is okay,

1361
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:09,439
Speaker 4: who is this guy?

1362
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 3: And what is it? You know, what are they seeing?

1363
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 4: I mean, who am I sitting right next to other

1364
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 4: than your boy big Ee by the way, who came

1365
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 4: up and said hello and he said to say hello

1366
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 4: to you guys. Was Dana White and Hunter Campbell and

1367
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 4: they were just rap, you know, they're watching it. They

1368
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 4: were moving, they were mooting, and I felt like they

1369
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 4: were more into it than anybody in that fan base.

1370
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 4: And there was a lot of irishmen there, so it

1371
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 4: was it was a very interesting kind of thing going on.

1372
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 4: And obviously got the Freddie Roach connection and you've got, like,

1373
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 4: you know, the Irish connection, which Dana has had some

1374
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 4: luck with. I don't know if he's looking to kind

1375
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 4: of catch lightning in a bottle a second time, but

1376
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 4: I feel like this kid, he's so far from that

1377
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 4: right now. I know they're high on him, but this

1378
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 4: seems to me, like for the first zoof of face

1379
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 4: like it feels a little risky to me, you know

1380
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 4: what I mean. I will say that you do you

1381
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 4: like the matchup in terms? So I know that this

1382
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 4: is a guy who's stood in there against some champions

1383
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 4: spot for belts. Do you like the matchup for Callum

1384
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:05,919
Speaker 4: in this fight.

1385
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 2: I think it's a reasonably fine matchup for the next

1386
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 2: thing to do. It doesn't blow my skirt up, but

1387
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 2: not a disaster. It's not a backwards step as best

1388
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 2: I can tell.

1389
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 3: It's it's fine.

1390
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 2: I think to me, I don't mind that ZUFA Boxing

1391
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 2: is doing a soft launch. I actually think it's pretty

1392
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 2: smart to like, not we're just gonna we're gonna spend

1393
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 2: all the money in the world together. I think that

1394
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 2: part is fine.

1395
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 4: APIX is okay, you don't mind that either, Well, okay,

1396
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 4: I mean it would have been nice at least right

1397
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 4: for like a little poems room. I know they don't

1398
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 4: go to the poems anymore, but you know, one of

1399
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 4: those small fifteen.

1400
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 3: So so I called so I called. I still call it.

1401
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 2: Speaking of Biggie, I still call fights for xFC, yeah,

1402
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 2: or I did last year.

1403
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 3: I've not signed a new deal yet. I think I'll

1404
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 3: get one.

1405
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 2: But you know what I called one of the fights

1406
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 2: in the Virgin Hotel right off thet's like T bones

1407
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 2: the strip.

1408
01:03:57,600 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 3: It's not on the strip and it's right.

1409
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 2: By dude that fucking theater ruled. Yeah, it was amazing

1410
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 2: the and there was you know this is for not

1411
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 2: a UFC event, and the atmosphere is fucking great.

1412
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 3: The Vegas crowd was great about that.

1413
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 2: Why don't why don't I don't understand why they couldn't

1414
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 2: do something like that.

1415
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 4: I don't quite get just because I mean, honestly, the

1416
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 4: one thing you probably want is some kind of infectious

1417
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 4: thing about it right where you're like watch it and

1418
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 4: you can kind of feel some kind of magnitude to it,

1419
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 4: like or some meaning. The Apex shows and I mean,

1420
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 4: maybe this is a different audience. I don't think so.

1421
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 4: I think there's gonna be kind of a crossover audience.

1422
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 4: But the Apex shows, man, I don't know if you

1423
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 4: like they it takes something away from the action. I

1424
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 4: tried to get passed for a long time, but over

1425
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 4: the last year or two, I mean, it takes something

1426
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 4: away from the action.

1427
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 3: For me.

1428
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 4: You need that live atmosphere, you need that energy in

1429
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 4: the room, and that's hard to produce at the Apex.

1430
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 2: Let me ask you, are they going to be having

1431
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 2: the expanded seating available for this event?

1432
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 4: You know, I've heard almost nothing. In fact, I mean,

1433
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 4: I don't know if I'm giving too much information. I'm

1434
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 4: trying to just apply for the credentials, and they haven't

1435
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 4: even put that link up yet. So it's like, I

1436
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 4: feel like a lot of this is just kind of

1437
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 4: a makeshift operation. I would assume, since it's the first

1438
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 4: one that they are doing that, but that's just an assumption.

1439
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 4: I haven't really been told anything.

1440
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 9: Bro.

1441
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 2: They got to hire more people that organization, which I

1442
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 2: can't believe because it's already so big. But like, I

1443
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 2: went to the media room. So I was in Vegas

1444
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 2: for I think I was there to do a podcast

1445
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 2: with somebody else, but I was there long enough where

1446
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 2: it was the fight week of Canelo Crawford. I told

1447
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 2: the story, And have you have you been to the

1448
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 2: Fountain Blue, the new hotel there.

1449
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:34,880
Speaker 3: No, I haven't been there. It's so it's it's so nice.

1450
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:37,280
Speaker 2: I don't know how they make money, Like I don't

1451
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 2: know who can afford it like that, but it's really

1452
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:39,439
Speaker 2: really nice.

1453
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:40,439
Speaker 3: Anyway, we go.

1454
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 2: Up the floor where they were having all the ballrooms

1455
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 2: where all the events were in the media area was

1456
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 2: like the seventh floor. So we go up there and

1457
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, because the way I criticized UFC,

1458
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know if I was gonna

1459
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 2: be let in.

1460
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 3: I you know, I just don't know how that's gonna go.

1461
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 2: And I get up there and I'm like, I'm looking

1462
01:05:57,720 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 2: for the media room for blah blah blah, and the

1463
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 2: uf staff are like, yeah, it's over there, and I'm like,

1464
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 2: do you want to see my idea?

1465
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 3: They're like, we don't care.

1466
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 2: It's like and they are normally very like security is

1467
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 2: very tight. I think they were so overrun with trying

1468
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 2: to because remember Canilla Crawford took place the same time,

1469
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 2: there was a UFC.

1470
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 3: Noce right to UFC yep or not a sphere.

1471
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 2: But like I think it was in San Antonio. Oh

1472
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 2: you're talking about the one, yes, yes, yes, the one

1473
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 2: that just hass yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. And I think

1474
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 2: they were so overwhelmed that they were just like, you

1475
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 2: know what, you can go like, we don't care, you know.

1476
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 3: I was like, God, yeah, damn, that's highly unusual Long Island. Luke.

1477
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 2: Any other matchups I did not include here that have

1478
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 2: tickled your fancy since we're in this bit of this

1479
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 2: UFC hiatus.

1480
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 6: I don't know when they announced it, but I saw

1481
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 6: Sergey Spivak's fighting Aunte Delia.

1482
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 7: I feel like that's a fun heavyweight fight. Top ten guys, you.

1483
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 6: Know, not bad, but yeah, they did just have a

1484
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 6: slew of announcements. I feel like, besides those women's strawweight

1485
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 6: fights which we didn't really go over, Suarez versus who

1486
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:01,640
Speaker 6: she's fighting, Lupy Godinez and then Tabitha Ricci taken on.

1487
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 7: If you're a Jander Robo, those they're you know, top

1488
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:05,480
Speaker 7: ten matchups.

1489
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 3: Are you real quickly? Oh? Good? Good? One more time here?

1490
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 3: Long on?

1491
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 2: Are you gonna watch ZUFA boxing one?

1492
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 6: I'm not gonna make it like priority, Like you know,

1493
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 6: if my girlfriend wants to do something that night, I'll

1494
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 6: go do something with her. But you know, if I

1495
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 6: happen to be home and board, I'll turn it on.

1496
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 7: Sure.

1497
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 2: Well, I think I feel like counting on MMA fans

1498
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 2: to watch your boxing and the apex. That's you know again,

1499
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 2: I don't mind the soft launch, but that shit ain't.

1500
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 4: Gonna work line, no, you know, I mean it's almost

1501
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 4: like they've set the expectation fairly low, so for them

1502
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 4: to exceed the bar that you know what I mean, Like,

1503
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 4: you know, I feel like they've set the expecting low.

1504
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 4: So maybe that's maybe that's part of the strategy here.

1505
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 3: Lest thing on this.

1506
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:47,920
Speaker 2: I also think in terms of what ZUPA Boxing is doing,

1507
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:50,439
Speaker 2: I think they're just running out the clock. Like Top

1508
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:53,919
Speaker 2: Rank still has no TV deal, not no real TV deal.

1509
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 3: PBC. I don't know.

1510
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 2: I mean, it's obviously a better question for BC, but

1511
01:07:57,920 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 2: I have no fucking idea.

1512
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 3: Their health not look great, you know.

1513
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 2: I think they're just kind of waiting for all of

1514
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 2: it to kind of And then, by the way, obviously,

1515
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:07,000
Speaker 2: the one thing I'll say too is I do know

1516
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 2: that I was told by you know, a very very

1517
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 2: reliable source on Capitol Hill that TKO wanted this legislation

1518
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 2: passed last year. They didn't want to get to this

1519
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 2: point because you may not know this, budget negotiations are

1520
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 2: coming up again in the next like month or so,

1521
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 2: and that will just preempt everything as a consequence, and

1522
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:29,639
Speaker 2: so stuff like this can just kind of get pushed

1523
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 2: way down the legislative priority and they didn't want to

1524
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 2: do that.

1525
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 3: That does not mean I'm.

1526
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 2: Saying that it won't pass, But what I am saying

1527
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:38,920
Speaker 2: is ZUFA and TKO wanted to get in front of this,

1528
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:40,640
Speaker 2: and now they're not. They're going to get behind it,

1529
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 2: so that could impact the timing of the when this passes.

1530
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to this topic number four. So

1531
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:50,880
Speaker 2: this is a fun little one. We have always talked

1532
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 2: on this show, like what exactly does an MMA manager do?

1533
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 2: And in certain cases, for example, MMA managers can also

1534
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 2: have law degrees, so they have the ability to go

1535
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 2: through any kind of offer you're made, whether it's for

1536
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 2: a sponsorship or even from another promoter, and at least

1537
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:09,719
Speaker 2: see some of the language to prevent you from being

1538
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 2: totally taken for a ride or otherwise agreeing to potentially

1539
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:16,880
Speaker 2: unfair terms. Except well, the nature of how the MMA

1540
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 2: industry works has kind of always made us wonder are

1541
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 2: they really managers or are they more brokers. We got

1542
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:26,160
Speaker 2: some kind of answer to that, or at least part

1543
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 2: of the beginning of an answer, I suppose, depending on

1544
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 2: how you want to look at it, based on some

1545
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:33,120
Speaker 2: text messages that were released.

1546
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 3: Now.

1547
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:36,679
Speaker 2: Credit goes to John Nash of Hey, not the Face

1548
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 2: And if you don't subscribe to his substack, you should.

1549
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 2: I pay for his substack because he does journalism. You know,

1550
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:47,879
Speaker 2: I don't know that it's the most listened to podcast

1551
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 2: in the world, but who cares. What it does is

1552
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 2: provide information you basically would not get anywhere else, and

1553
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 2: so I pay for it. I recommend the rest of

1554
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 2: you do it as well. So here's the scenario, Chuck.

1555
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:05,600
Speaker 2: There are text messages between UFC matchmaker Mick Maynard and

1556
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 2: then MMA manager Marcelo Brigadero.

1557
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 3: And the reason why we have.

1558
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 2: These is because in Brazilian court, Tyler Santos, who you

1559
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:16,320
Speaker 2: might recall, former UFC fighter, she got her ask kicked

1560
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:18,799
Speaker 2: by Dakota Ditschevin pfl.

1561
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 3: In Valentina, though.

1562
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 2: Close fight to sit her back, had it for a while,

1563
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 2: didn't do fuck all else with it, but did do that.

1564
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 2: She sued Brigadero in Brazilian court for a breach of contract.

1565
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 2: This was some time ago.

1566
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:33,720
Speaker 3: Now.

1567
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 2: The resolution to that case is that Brigadero was not

1568
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:43,320
Speaker 2: held liable. Breach of contract, according to the Brazilian court system,

1569
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:46,680
Speaker 2: was not established. But nevertheless, in the process of this

1570
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 2: court case these documents came out. Now we cannot show

1571
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 2: you all of them. Let's take a look at some

1572
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:56,639
Speaker 2: of them here, but there are two kind of interesting

1573
01:10:56,720 --> 01:11:00,760
Speaker 2: ones right where here you have Commander being like a

1574
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:03,280
Speaker 2: four fight new deal twenty three and twenty three up threes.

1575
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 2: Brigadero says, let me speak to him, but I'm happy

1576
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:08,680
Speaker 2: with that. Is the fight confirmed? Yes, Brigadero, beautiful Mick.

1577
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 2: Is there any room for improvement on those numbers? I

1578
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:13,680
Speaker 2: wouldn't do it, but Sue is friends with Song You

1579
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 2: Dong and he found out he renewed his contract after

1580
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 2: his third fight for forty five to forty five and

1581
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:21,360
Speaker 2: is pushing me for something better than twenty three twenty three.

1582
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 2: Mick says, it should be twenty twenty, but I was

1583
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:27,559
Speaker 2: trying to be nice, Mick. One win against a flyweight

1584
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 2: who is O and two, and then Brigadero says, you

1585
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 2: are nice. By the way, if you see the letter

1586
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:34,800
Speaker 2: K a bunch of times, I'm told that in Brazilian

1587
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 2: Portuguese that's similar to lol or ha ha oh okay,

1588
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 2: and then Mick says, let me know if he wants

1589
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:43,639
Speaker 2: this new deal or prefers to fight it out right now.

1590
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:46,320
Speaker 2: He has faced the lower level of the division, one

1591
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 2: person in the division in fact, that is oh and two,

1592
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:51,960
Speaker 2: and then Marcelo, without really much of any kind of

1593
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:55,599
Speaker 2: pushback at all, just says he will take it. Also

1594
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:59,680
Speaker 2: there's another point where he asks for title Santos to

1595
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 2: get or somebody else I should say to get. Maybe

1596
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 2: it was Tyla to get a twelve and twelve contract

1597
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 2: and they only got a ten and ten. Oh yeah, Arnie,

1598
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:13,600
Speaker 2: here's that case, and it's only ten and ten. And

1599
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:15,680
Speaker 2: then he says, you only get twelve and twelve if

1600
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:18,559
Speaker 2: you fill in on short notice. Otherwise it is tinton.

1601
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 2: Throw that back up for one more time. And then

1602
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:25,200
Speaker 2: this is them discussing. Mix says Ariana. Carnellosa will take

1603
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 2: the fight versus Talia. Brigadiera says, okay, Mix like, good

1604
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 2: to go.

1605
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 3: It's a fun fight. I think. Brigadero responds, you know,

1606
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 3: I don't turn down fights. Let's go.

1607
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:36,760
Speaker 2: Mick says awesome, thank you. Brigadero says, buy me a

1608
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 2: drink this time deal, Okay, Chuck Yeah.

1609
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:42,840
Speaker 3: I don't think.

1610
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:45,920
Speaker 2: That this is the sum total of how all managers

1611
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:49,680
Speaker 2: speak to all UFC matchmakers, but to the extent that

1612
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 2: this is at all representative, your major takeaway is.

1613
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 4: I think it's more common than you're saying. I mean,

1614
01:12:57,080 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 4: I really feel like a lot of you know, a

1615
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 4: lot of the correspondence probably goes along these lines, and

1616
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 4: the first thing you notice is that the manager is

1617
01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 4: seeding any kind of leverage just but like oh yeah,

1618
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 4: well you know, we'll take it whatever. Like he just

1619
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 4: so over eager. And I mean, this is what they

1620
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 4: would tell you in any kind of negotiators. You don't

1621
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:18,559
Speaker 4: seem over eager, right, like when you're trying to talk

1622
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 4: about numbers and it just steers one direction. And I mean,

1623
01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 4: I I were you ever in a situation, Luke, where

1624
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 4: like you were you know, at the you're at the

1625
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 4: UFC event, like and you you're at the bar, and

1626
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 4: who would always be there. There'd be Joe Silva and

1627
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 4: there'd be Sean Shelby. They'd be hanging around late night,

1628
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 4: and I think they really loved times to like hang

1629
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:40,360
Speaker 4: out with a couple of journalists shoot the ship and

1630
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:42,559
Speaker 4: they would talk about stuff and they would just kind

1631
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:43,920
Speaker 4: of tell you, I mean it's off record. I mean

1632
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 4: you're not you're not interviewing them or anything. But they

1633
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:47,559
Speaker 4: would just tell you shit. They would just tell you

1634
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:50,519
Speaker 4: what's going on. And a lot of common and you

1635
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 4: would see occasionally the managers come by and they'd have

1636
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:54,080
Speaker 4: these conversations.

1637
01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:55,479
Speaker 3: A lot of it was like this.

1638
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:58,360
Speaker 4: It was just kind of very casual, Hey, what are

1639
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 4: we doing, what's the what's the word on this? Or

1640
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:02,880
Speaker 4: you know, and kind of assigning the values. And it's

1641
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 4: not wrong, you know when you when you look at

1642
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:08,680
Speaker 4: the kind of negotiator, it's like, I'm being nice to

1643
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:11,479
Speaker 4: do twenty three because the comparisons there, it's not wrong, right,

1644
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 4: Like you're saying, like, well, that is kind of an

1645
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:16,200
Speaker 4: absurd comparison. The two guys are not really in the

1646
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:19,720
Speaker 4: same situation there. But it's funny because it's just like

1647
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:23,640
Speaker 4: it's very delicate stepping on you know, the kind of

1648
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:25,839
Speaker 4: hope there, the kind of and I think that that's

1649
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 4: I think it's common. I think that these are like

1650
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 4: I remember talking to Joe Silvan. He was like, people

1651
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:33,840
Speaker 4: think that we just make fights, you know, and they're like, oh,

1652
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:34,680
Speaker 4: what an envious job.

1653
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 3: I wish I could do that.

1654
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 4: And he's like, they don't see these negotiating where you

1655
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:38,760
Speaker 4: have to be a hard ass, you know, they don't

1656
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:40,960
Speaker 4: see that you have to like, you know, set these

1657
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:43,960
Speaker 4: you know, set these guys like and tell them what's

1658
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:45,560
Speaker 4: going on, not just that, but then you have to

1659
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:47,760
Speaker 4: call them and cut them and tell their managers that

1660
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 4: they've been cut from the UCNL. This it's interesting to

1661
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:52,719
Speaker 4: look at it though, you know, it's like, it's interesting

1662
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 4: to see two guys kind of talking like that, especially

1663
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:56,920
Speaker 4: with the kind of buddy bro like, hey man, you

1664
01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:58,080
Speaker 4: owe me a drink this time?

1665
01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 3: Though, you know what I mean.

1666
01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 4: It just threw me right back seeing all this through

1667
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:02,679
Speaker 4: me right back to those days when you'd see Sean

1668
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:05,640
Speaker 4: Shelby and uh and Joe Silva hanging out and you know,

1669
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 4: they would just kind of talk like this.

1670
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:14,639
Speaker 2: I I, I don't know. There's there's some MMA managers

1671
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 2: that I know and there are some that I know.

1672
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:18,640
Speaker 2: Well there's a bunch that I don't know at all. Yeah, Like,

1673
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 2: for example, I don't know if I've ever had a

1674
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:22,680
Speaker 2: conversation with Jason House, Like genuinely, I don't know if

1675
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:26,000
Speaker 2: I've had two words of conversation with him if if

1676
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 2: even that.

1677
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 4: But you know because big Zach Bryant guy went to

1678
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:33,200
Speaker 4: a concert with him one time, is that right?

1679
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, he brought Diego Lipa. I did this piece

1680
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:36,839
Speaker 3: on Diego Lopez.

1681
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 4: We oh yeah, and he was he he's he's like

1682
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:42,080
Speaker 4: good buddies with him and they got us like some

1683
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:43,200
Speaker 4: VIP areas.

1684
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 3: It was crazy to watch a concert like that.

1685
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's other ones that I've known for a

1686
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:50,559
Speaker 2: long time and I've know Hi pretty well.

1687
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:54,680
Speaker 3: Uh and the better ones that I know.

1688
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 2: The real job that they do is securing the fighter's

1689
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:04,280
Speaker 2: wealth outside of fighting. Yeah, Like so for example, like

1690
01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 2: getting them the best medical care they're they'll help with that,

1691
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:11,880
Speaker 2: you know, saying no to some things like putting some

1692
01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 2: guardrails on it. But really like for example, if they

1693
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:18,800
Speaker 2: do streaming or something like that, you know, making sure

1694
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:20,960
Speaker 2: that that money gets invested in the right way, and

1695
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 2: they take care of like their media opportunities.

1696
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:26,480
Speaker 3: But when it comes to dealing with UFC, they don't.

1697
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 3: They don't.

1698
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:32,519
Speaker 2: They don't do anything because they can't. They there is

1699
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:34,600
Speaker 2: nothing to I mean, I get, I mean that's not

1700
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:36,799
Speaker 2: quite true. I mean that you always have a choice.

1701
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:39,519
Speaker 2: But in the sense of if you wish to maintain

1702
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:44,439
Speaker 2: visibility and life in the industry, this is what you do.

1703
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 3: It's it's more like shaking a can hemp help me?

1704
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:46,920
Speaker 7: So?

1705
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 4: Because if you if it's not like that, what is

1706
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:52,120
Speaker 4: he gonna say, We'll accept thirty for thirty thirty, right,

1707
01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:56,320
Speaker 4: Like we'll accept thirty thirty McMahon just say no, I

1708
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 4: mean they don't need there's no leverage there. Maybe just

1709
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 4: be like no, that's not worth it, and that would

1710
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:02,599
Speaker 4: be the end of it, right, I mean, there's only

1711
01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:04,640
Speaker 4: one side of that that has any real say in

1712
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:05,479
Speaker 4: what's happening there.

1713
01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:08,680
Speaker 2: I know the guy's like, oh, I wanted closer to

1714
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 2: forty five forty five on twenty three twenty three. He's like,

1715
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:13,439
Speaker 2: you're lucky it's not twenty twenty.

1716
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:13,680
Speaker 3: I know.

1717
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:15,640
Speaker 2: That also tells you is that they just have a

1718
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 2: formulaic system. I mean like, oh, they'll give you a bump,

1719
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:21,519
Speaker 2: but the bump people think like though, Like I've seen

1720
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 2: managers be like, yo, I secured my guy a big bump.

1721
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 2: You secured your guy a bump in a system where

1722
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:29,680
Speaker 2: the people giving the bump already knew what it was

1723
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:30,160
Speaker 2: gonna be.

1724
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 3: Like you didn't, you know, you.

1725
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 2: Didn't like, you know, ring out extra dollars from the

1726
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:37,360
Speaker 2: you know, from the proverbial washbopping run out or something

1727
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:37,679
Speaker 2: like that.

1728
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:41,519
Speaker 4: It doesn't it'd be tough man. Like, imagine negotiating with

1729
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:44,720
Speaker 4: the UFC. Imagine like you're you're because even in like

1730
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:47,360
Speaker 4: these the bigger concern, obviously, is if you really believe

1731
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:49,760
Speaker 4: in sue, right, like you think in four fights, this

1732
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:51,640
Speaker 4: dude will be You're gonna he's gonna make song. You

1733
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:54,840
Speaker 4: don't look like nothing, you know, uh, but you're just

1734
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 4: you just signed a contract, what was it for four

1735
01:17:57,080 --> 01:17:59,800
Speaker 4: fights where you're you're going up in increments of three?

1736
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 4: I mean like you're you're you're gonna shoot your value

1737
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:04,840
Speaker 4: is gonna shoot right past your contract just like that.

1738
01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:06,679
Speaker 3: So it's a tough spot.

1739
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:08,840
Speaker 4: But they should I mean literally it should be in

1740
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 4: the in that kind of interest fighting for their fighter.

1741
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 4: But we know how it works, man. I mean I

1742
01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 4: think that certain managers get certain privileges, and you know,

1743
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 4: there's certain guys who get like there's the guys who

1744
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:22,800
Speaker 4: manage and they play the game end up maybe in

1745
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:24,759
Speaker 4: you know, the guys get title shots a little quicker

1746
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 4: or stuff like that.

1747
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:25,479
Speaker 3: You know.

1748
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:28,320
Speaker 4: I mean, like it's all par for the course of

1749
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:30,720
Speaker 4: what we know about this sport now on how these

1750
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 4: things work.

1751
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:36,600
Speaker 2: I'll just say, like this is again, is this the

1752
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 2: sum total? I don't know, probably not, But is this

1753
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 2: does this match your experience and my experience?

1754
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 3: Yes? This match? Is it exactly just something to keep

1755
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:48,160
Speaker 3: in mind for the future.

1756
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 2: All right, last, but not least if we can, because

1757
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:54,760
Speaker 2: we're fucking loser degenerates on this show. Let's talk about

1758
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:57,559
Speaker 2: John Jones. So John Jones did It's done a bunch

1759
01:18:57,560 --> 01:18:59,720
Speaker 2: of interviews recently and they sort of had a lot

1760
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:02,759
Speaker 2: to say Chuck, and he recently revealed in an interview

1761
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:06,719
Speaker 2: that Dana White was unlikely to book him versus Alex

1762
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:10,679
Speaker 2: Pereira at the UFC White House event, of course, beyond

1763
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:14,719
Speaker 2: Trump's birthday in June. Now this comes after by him

1764
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:19,320
Speaker 2: very public pleading by Jones to be booked for that fight,

1765
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:24,080
Speaker 2: certainly on that date. What does it say and mean

1766
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 2: for the future of Jones's participation, Chuck in the UFC

1767
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 2: for however long it lasts, that Dana appears to have

1768
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 2: waived on this opportunity.

1769
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:37,880
Speaker 4: You know how we're talking about armand like there's something

1770
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:39,479
Speaker 4: there where you're like, well, the UFC is just pissed

1771
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:42,599
Speaker 4: off at him in general, Like he's don't you get

1772
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:44,479
Speaker 4: and I know that we were just talking about how

1773
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 4: you know, Dana's he's on Steven So he's talking about

1774
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 4: John Jones. He mentions the goat status all the time

1775
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:51,960
Speaker 4: and I think he keeps that as a backpack because

1776
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 4: I think he genuinely believes that, and I think he's

1777
01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:56,960
Speaker 4: telling the truth in his mind, like this is a

1778
01:19:57,000 --> 01:20:00,840
Speaker 4: guy who's the goat, but I think he's pissed at him.

1779
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:01,040
Speaker 3: Man.

1780
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:03,479
Speaker 4: And you remember when this when it came out, and

1781
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:05,559
Speaker 4: it was obviously after John retired, and then like what

1782
01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:08,120
Speaker 4: was it ten days later, two weeks later hean retires,

1783
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:09,880
Speaker 4: he starts talking about the White House and Dana White

1784
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:12,080
Speaker 4: said something along the lines of that's a one in

1785
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 4: a billion chance. So he was like, he wouldn't he

1786
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:17,160
Speaker 4: wouldn't give him that fight, because the implication was he

1787
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:21,759
Speaker 4: wouldn't be trustworthy in that sort of situation. And yet

1788
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:24,800
Speaker 4: John Jones, like you mentioned, was kind of publicly, you know,

1789
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:26,400
Speaker 4: he was even at that whatever it was, like the

1790
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:28,200
Speaker 4: Award zerm was at the SP's or something. He's talking

1791
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:29,880
Speaker 4: about it, you say, and I really want that card

1792
01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:32,280
Speaker 4: and kind of lobbying for it. So there's a little

1793
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:35,000
Speaker 4: bit of a surprise that Dana didn't see like kind

1794
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:37,479
Speaker 4: of come around a little bit more and say like, well, listen, man,

1795
01:20:37,479 --> 01:20:39,599
Speaker 4: this guy seems this seems to be what he circled

1796
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:41,720
Speaker 4: and if this is the best way to rope John

1797
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:43,680
Speaker 4: Jones back in there. Given that I think he's the

1798
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:46,280
Speaker 4: goat and all that stuff, then let's do it. It's

1799
01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:49,040
Speaker 4: a little surprising, but I get the sense that he's

1800
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 4: just pissed at him, Like, what is your sense on it?

1801
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:53,679
Speaker 4: I feel like he's kind of I've seen other interviews

1802
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:55,639
Speaker 4: where John Jone's name is brought up and you can

1803
01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:58,040
Speaker 4: tell that all's not as rosy as it should be

1804
01:20:58,080 --> 01:20:58,599
Speaker 4: with that guy.

1805
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:02,840
Speaker 2: This is the part where I'm weird on It's like, Okay, look,

1806
01:21:04,479 --> 01:21:08,559
Speaker 2: I mean, how can anybody trust John Jones to do

1807
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:13,280
Speaker 2: anything other than fuck things up either his opponents or himself.

1808
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:16,240
Speaker 4: Or he's struck three times and or vacated twice. I

1809
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:19,719
Speaker 4: mean five times, he's lost his belt without losing the belt.

1810
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:23,400
Speaker 2: He's you know, he's irredeemable. But the reality is, if

1811
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:25,640
Speaker 2: you're going to be in business with him, you do

1812
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:28,360
Speaker 2: have to use him. So how are you going to

1813
01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:31,840
Speaker 2: use him? I'm not saying, Chuck that they have to

1814
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:33,320
Speaker 2: put him on the White House card. It's really not

1815
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:36,000
Speaker 2: my point. And again I totally in this particular case.

1816
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 2: I mean, if there is a reason to have trepidation

1817
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:41,720
Speaker 2: about the ability to be professional of any fighter. It's

1818
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:44,560
Speaker 2: John Jones, and I certainly understand Dana White and the

1819
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:49,400
Speaker 2: UFC team's trepidation about it. But if you're going to

1820
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:51,880
Speaker 2: use him, that's true of literally any card. Okay, the

1821
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:53,400
Speaker 2: stakes of the White House card are a little bit

1822
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 2: higher for a number of reasons. Fine, but you like

1823
01:21:57,000 --> 01:21:59,200
Speaker 2: what I'm trying to point out to you is is

1824
01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:02,720
Speaker 2: John Jones versus Poeton at the White House. If you're

1825
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 2: going to stay in business with him, is that a

1826
01:22:06,240 --> 01:22:11,760
Speaker 2: good use of your time in a non main event setting. Yes,

1827
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:16,479
Speaker 2: And like the truth is again, am I clamoring to

1828
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:17,120
Speaker 2: see it?

1829
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:17,320
Speaker 1: No?

1830
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:19,839
Speaker 2: What I think UFC should have done is after he retired,

1831
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:22,040
Speaker 2: like go fucking pound sand and I know he'd go

1832
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:24,240
Speaker 2: make money for PFL for a little while. How many

1833
01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:26,280
Speaker 2: times would he fight with PFL. How much of a

1834
01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:28,479
Speaker 2: difference would that make? It'd make virtually no difference. But

1835
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:30,960
Speaker 2: it's not the game that they want to play. Every

1836
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:33,080
Speaker 2: we know the story. So I'm just pointing out, like,

1837
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:37,200
Speaker 2: if you're not gonna use him for that, what are

1838
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:38,679
Speaker 2: you gonna use him for?

1839
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:39,640
Speaker 3: Exactly?

1840
01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:43,439
Speaker 2: That's the part I don't like, because they're gonna suck

1841
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:45,879
Speaker 2: up a bunch of the championship fights on the calendar

1842
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:48,960
Speaker 2: for that JEM slot. Maybe they're just thinking, we'll just

1843
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:51,400
Speaker 2: put up what you know, we're gonna save one big

1844
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 2: fight for after.

1845
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:55,719
Speaker 4: That because it does create And I have no idea

1846
01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:57,920
Speaker 4: what if this is legitimate or not. But when you

1847
01:22:57,960 --> 01:22:59,720
Speaker 4: hear John annixayan that there could be as many as

1848
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 4: six or seven title fights on the on the White

1849
01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:03,880
Speaker 4: House card, we've seen how this works.

1850
01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:05,559
Speaker 3: That then becomes like a vortex.

1851
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:08,599
Speaker 4: It's like all of the all of the meaningful fights

1852
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:10,200
Speaker 4: that start to take away from each other because they're

1853
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:13,719
Speaker 4: stacked on one card expands out three months either direction,

1854
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:17,439
Speaker 4: and you're like, wow, you you've left the wasteland where

1855
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:20,760
Speaker 4: you can't fill up cards. It's very possible that they're

1856
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 4: kind of looking at it like that's what they're going

1857
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:25,000
Speaker 4: to do. But you're absolutely right if you're not going

1858
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:26,960
Speaker 4: to use him in a context that he wants to

1859
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:29,439
Speaker 4: do business, and I don't know what else it would be.

1860
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 4: I don't know if he would And again, like his

1861
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:37,000
Speaker 4: whole the way he retired and was protecting his legacy,

1862
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:38,600
Speaker 4: I don't even know who he'd be, who he'd be

1863
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:41,200
Speaker 4: willing to fight and then if you're the UFC, do

1864
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:43,439
Speaker 4: you like you know what I mean, do you find

1865
01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:45,120
Speaker 4: like a guy who's gonna make sense to that another

1866
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:48,120
Speaker 4: Stepen miochi s type. I mean, it's it's a mystery

1867
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:50,519
Speaker 4: to me, like how this plays out. If he's not

1868
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:52,240
Speaker 4: just fighting like poets on or some guy that he

1869
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:54,720
Speaker 4: wants to fight, I'm not sure you can twist John

1870
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 4: Jones's arm in any other way.

1871
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:57,240
Speaker 3: He just doesn't seem interested.

1872
01:23:57,720 --> 01:24:01,439
Speaker 2: The other part, too, is like John has talked shit

1873
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:04,679
Speaker 2: about Tom aspinall because obviously the way his fight against

1874
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:07,479
Speaker 2: Cyril Gone went and you know, I'll get okay, it's

1875
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:10,759
Speaker 2: the fight game. Somebody needs to ask John, Oh okay,

1876
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:13,519
Speaker 2: so then now are you willing to fight tom aspinall right?

1877
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:15,880
Speaker 2: Because I'm guessing the answer is still fucking no.

1878
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:18,559
Speaker 3: That's what my that's my feeling. I feel like he would.

1879
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:21,920
Speaker 4: The way he's doing is like, well, see he's you know,

1880
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:24,400
Speaker 4: as if the ipoke and the way that anti climatic

1881
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 4: thing went down, like he's kind of almost using it,

1882
01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:29,880
Speaker 4: like see, he told you he wasn't ready for a

1883
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:32,559
Speaker 4: guy like which is ridiculous. It doesn't even make sense.

1884
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:36,599
Speaker 4: But there's no indication that he's like soften his stance

1885
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:38,240
Speaker 4: on it, and he's like, well, all right, I'll fight

1886
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 4: aspan On when he's ready. This has never been like,

1887
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:42,479
Speaker 4: I've got no indication that that's the case.

1888
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:45,040
Speaker 2: So if it's not Poeton, you're like, are you gonna

1889
01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:48,240
Speaker 2: have to fight Gone again? You're not gonna fight Gable Steveson? Right,

1890
01:24:48,280 --> 01:24:51,400
Speaker 2: we know that, So this is what I this is

1891
01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:54,240
Speaker 2: just so it seems to me that like they might

1892
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:57,160
Speaker 2: do the Poeton fight, but they're just gonna save it

1893
01:24:57,200 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 2: for a part of the calendar that's gonna be rough

1894
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:02,680
Speaker 2: ast shit absent absent that. I guess, I see what

1895
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:05,559
Speaker 2: lower stakes in the end. Now, John had a lot

1896
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:08,559
Speaker 2: more to say during our little hiatus Chuck.

1897
01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:11,480
Speaker 3: For example, both John.

1898
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 2: Jones and Daniel Cormier have filmed a Russian version of

1899
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:16,840
Speaker 2: The Ultimate Fighter. I do not know what it is called.

1900
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:18,679
Speaker 2: There were coaches here. You can see the face off,

1901
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:24,120
Speaker 2: and Jones is upset that Cormier refused to bury the hatchet.

1902
01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:26,320
Speaker 2: Let's take a look at what he said, and then

1903
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:28,040
Speaker 2: I can't I cannot wait to dunkle man.

1904
01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:30,959
Speaker 5: Let's let's play this season is good to Staniel Cormier

1905
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:35,479
Speaker 5: oh man, what a what a stuffy, just dighey Cormier

1906
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 5: really is. I think if you really get to know

1907
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:41,360
Speaker 5: Daniel Cormier, he's really not ye He's an asshole.

1908
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:42,439
Speaker 3: He was an asshole.

1909
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:44,240
Speaker 5: I mean, he didn't really connect with any of the

1910
01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:44,960
Speaker 5: fighters here.

1911
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:46,519
Speaker 3: He's just an asshole.

1912
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:49,040
Speaker 5: I made I try to make peace with him many times,

1913
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:50,559
Speaker 5: and he made it very clear that he wants to

1914
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:52,280
Speaker 5: be animates for the rest of his life because how

1915
01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:56,559
Speaker 5: lucrid if it is, and he's just he's just a

1916
01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:58,280
Speaker 5: There was moments where we got to laugh, you know.

1917
01:25:58,360 --> 01:26:00,720
Speaker 5: But for the most part, he's a dighead. You look

1918
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:02,559
Speaker 5: at the way that he treats his staff members. He

1919
01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 5: brought like ten yes men out with him and literally

1920
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:07,559
Speaker 5: go get me my water, where's my this?

1921
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:08,720
Speaker 3: Why is that this?

1922
01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:12,280
Speaker 5: He's just bosses guys around, you know. And the times

1923
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:15,080
Speaker 5: we weren't filming, he wasn't very sociable with the people

1924
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:16,880
Speaker 5: once set. He's just a dickhead. I think people that

1925
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:19,160
Speaker 5: really work with him. Who knows that if I wrestled

1926
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:22,799
Speaker 5: against Daniel Kormier, it'd be really interesting to see what happened.

1927
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:24,519
Speaker 5: But the one thing I do know is that I

1928
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:27,000
Speaker 5: made him cry in front of the world. I took

1929
01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:29,040
Speaker 5: him off of the list of being considered one of

1930
01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 5: the greatest fighters of all time. He'll be even lower

1931
01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:34,160
Speaker 5: in the rankings of the greatest heavyweight of all time

1932
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:37,559
Speaker 5: because my prospect, Gable Steveson is going to be three

1933
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:41,719
Speaker 5: times the champion Daniel Cormier ever was, and so he'll

1934
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:43,759
Speaker 5: just always be in my shadow one way or another.

1935
01:26:44,439 --> 01:26:46,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, he won't be. Here's the interesting part about it.

1936
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:48,679
Speaker 2: Number One, he did not remove him from the list

1937
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:50,840
Speaker 2: of greatest fighters of all time. He's absolutely still very

1938
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:53,599
Speaker 2: much part of that list. Second of all, Chuck, here's

1939
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:56,960
Speaker 2: what drives me fucking crazy about sociopaths like this.

1940
01:26:58,080 --> 01:27:00,439
Speaker 3: They do this bit or what.

1941
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:03,280
Speaker 2: They want you to do is like, oh, let's you

1942
01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:06,320
Speaker 2: and I together, let's bury the hatchet, right, But what

1943
01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:10,720
Speaker 2: they're really doing is, I'm making you forgive me for

1944
01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:11,960
Speaker 2: my transgressions.

1945
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:13,120
Speaker 3: I'm making you.

1946
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 2: Be okay with all of the horrible shit that this

1947
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:20,880
Speaker 2: person has done. They're making them essentially bring them to

1948
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:24,400
Speaker 2: heal so that they can have a public interaction together

1949
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:26,880
Speaker 2: where that's never really an issue and you don't ever

1950
01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:29,160
Speaker 2: really have to have that, you know, worried about it's

1951
01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:34,240
Speaker 2: a way of getting someone coercing them to to to

1952
01:27:34,439 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 2: whitewash all of the nasty, horrible things that you've done

1953
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:41,480
Speaker 2: to yourself and other people. And I good for Cormieres

1954
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:43,280
Speaker 2: for telling him to buzz off.

1955
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:46,360
Speaker 4: It is sociopathic, by the way, to expect somebody to

1956
01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:50,439
Speaker 4: forgive and forget who's had that many like you know

1957
01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:52,200
Speaker 4: what I mean, Like to even ask him to do

1958
01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 4: that is is and to expect it to happen. It's

1959
01:27:56,320 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 4: very human being right there. That's not that's not a

1960
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:01,680
Speaker 4: real thing, you know.

1961
01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:04,400
Speaker 3: It's just it's just so, it's so it dude.

1962
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:09,000
Speaker 2: This it's like it's like like you know how bullies

1963
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:11,720
Speaker 2: are pushy at the same time too, even when they're

1964
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:14,680
Speaker 2: not expressly bullying, they're still being pushy, you know, as

1965
01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:16,000
Speaker 2: characters sometimes in movies.

1966
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 3: It's what it is.

1967
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:19,080
Speaker 2: It's just a way of being like, oh, you know, listen,

1968
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 2: I may have there may be in a horrible nine

1969
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:22,920
Speaker 2: one one call where I may or may not have

1970
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:27,600
Speaker 2: engaged in you know a number of uh acts that

1971
01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:31,920
Speaker 2: are despicable, even if and in certain cases illegal, but uh,

1972
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:34,120
Speaker 2: you know I got away with it. I want you

1973
01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:36,160
Speaker 2: to be my buddy, so that we don't have to

1974
01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:40,080
Speaker 2: worry about that anymore. It Corma was like, go fuck yourself.

1975
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:40,679
Speaker 3: Which which.

1976
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:46,479
Speaker 2: Should do a reason for him to like yeer o

1977
01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:49,920
Speaker 2: o's jones nothing.

1978
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:52,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, have you ever worked with DC in any kind

1979
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:55,200
Speaker 4: of capacity, like in a media sense, like.

1980
01:28:56,840 --> 01:28:58,439
Speaker 3: He's very like I so I did.

1981
01:28:58,520 --> 01:29:00,120
Speaker 4: There was a DraftKings thing that we did back in

1982
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:01,840
Speaker 4: the day, like a couple of times, and he was

1983
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:04,240
Speaker 4: one of the uh, one of the guys with John

1984
01:29:04,240 --> 01:29:06,800
Speaker 4: Annick and I sat in with him. Dude, there was

1985
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:09,720
Speaker 4: nothing of the prima donna. I mean, if he's if

1986
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:11,840
Speaker 4: he's treating John that way, it's because it's John.

1987
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:12,920
Speaker 3: This is had.

1988
01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:15,200
Speaker 4: This was not the way he acted. In fact, he

1989
01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:16,280
Speaker 4: knew I had a son. He was like, hey, you

1990
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:18,240
Speaker 4: want me to sign you know? He signed at like

1991
01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:20,439
Speaker 4: a hat for him like which I was like, thanks, man,

1992
01:29:20,479 --> 01:29:22,840
Speaker 4: you know, like and my son loved that because I

1993
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 4: don't think it ever had an autograph from a fighter

1994
01:29:24,479 --> 01:29:26,680
Speaker 4: and all that. He was nothing but grace graceful the

1995
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:28,639
Speaker 4: whole the time. And I'm like, I just I find

1996
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:32,439
Speaker 4: it hard to believe that that's actually who DC is,

1997
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:34,400
Speaker 4: even at this point in time. I just think that

1998
01:29:34,439 --> 01:29:37,479
Speaker 4: it's who John is, and DC is still reacting to

1999
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:38,240
Speaker 4: who John is.

2000
01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean.

2001
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:41,760
Speaker 2: Again, I don't know what DC's motivations are. They might

2002
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:44,360
Speaker 2: be absolutely nothing to do with what I'm saying, but

2003
01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:46,800
Speaker 2: I know what John's motivations are because it's always what

2004
01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:49,760
Speaker 2: the sociopath wants. Like just think in your mind, what

2005
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:51,960
Speaker 2: was something with someone who's like that want they would

2006
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:53,160
Speaker 2: want something like that?

2007
01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:53,920
Speaker 3: Okay? Uh?

2008
01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:59,479
Speaker 2: And then, last, but not least, Daniel Cormier wants another

2009
01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:04,920
Speaker 2: about with John Jones only and pure wrestling. Here's this

2010
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:05,960
Speaker 2: call out that we'll react.

2011
01:30:06,240 --> 01:30:09,719
Speaker 8: I'm telling you real American Freestyle Wrestling is gonna see

2012
01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:11,800
Speaker 8: me and John Jones at some point and I'm gonna

2013
01:30:11,880 --> 01:30:14,840
Speaker 8: kick his ass Like you would never believe it, because

2014
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:18,040
Speaker 8: guess what, I still shoot because I still train wrestlers

2015
01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:21,960
Speaker 8: every single day. Thrill American Freestyle wrestling it because the

2016
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:25,360
Speaker 8: job that you guys have done to me is amazing.

2017
01:30:25,400 --> 01:30:32,200
Speaker 8: You have literally created a professional wrestling for us.

2018
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:32,679
Speaker 3: The die hard wrestling fan.

2019
01:30:33,080 --> 01:30:38,040
Speaker 8: My fear right was that Henry was gonna end up

2020
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:39,400
Speaker 8: wrestling Vo Bassett.

2021
01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:42,759
Speaker 3: No way for Ben. I'm DC.

2022
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:45,439
Speaker 8: Ben is nice to have you back, my brother, My

2023
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:46,760
Speaker 8: boy been asking.

2024
01:30:48,720 --> 01:30:51,920
Speaker 3: What do you think, man, Well, let's put it this way, man.

2025
01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:54,599
Speaker 4: And in the sense that when rivals kind of come

2026
01:30:54,640 --> 01:30:58,000
Speaker 4: together in any in any way that's kind of beyond

2027
01:30:58,040 --> 01:31:02,679
Speaker 4: the vital essential thing that played out before, this one

2028
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:04,200
Speaker 4: makes more sense to me, Like when they were trying

2029
01:31:04,240 --> 01:31:06,800
Speaker 4: to put together Anderson Silva and Chris Widman in a

2030
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:07,439
Speaker 4: boxing ring.

2031
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:07,880
Speaker 3: I don't know.

2032
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:09,240
Speaker 4: I don't know how you felt about it, but I

2033
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:12,439
Speaker 4: was sort of like, ah, whatever, man, But this I

2034
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:14,720
Speaker 4: believe is really the type of bad blood thing. It

2035
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:16,320
Speaker 4: just going back to what we were talking about that

2036
01:31:18,160 --> 01:31:19,720
Speaker 4: I don't know, I'm kind of intrigued. And then the

2037
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:22,479
Speaker 4: other thing is because it is kind of Daniel Cormier's world, right,

2038
01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:24,559
Speaker 4: Like this is his world, Like if he goes into that,

2039
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:27,760
Speaker 4: and I really like the RAF product. I think it

2040
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:29,400
Speaker 4: would be a lot of fun and it would actually

2041
01:31:29,439 --> 01:31:32,320
Speaker 4: bring like a lot of people to view that and

2042
01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:35,839
Speaker 4: to maybe understand the wrestling aspect a little more. But dude,

2043
01:31:36,240 --> 01:31:39,080
Speaker 4: I'd be intrigued if it happened. I seriously doubt that

2044
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:41,519
Speaker 4: John Jones would ever entertain this, but I would be intrigued.

2045
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:45,320
Speaker 2: I don't know that RAF can afford it. Real American freestyle.

2046
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:48,639
Speaker 2: That's the problem. Yeah, I will say I do love

2047
01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:53,000
Speaker 2: what RAF is doing. Their rule set is easy to follow.

2048
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:56,800
Speaker 3: It's got some MMA yeah.

2049
01:31:55,880 --> 01:31:58,760
Speaker 2: Architecture where they've got rounds and belts and weigh ins

2050
01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:00,360
Speaker 2: and face offs. Well, I mean there's way is put

2051
01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:01,960
Speaker 2: in real wrestling, but you know, in the way in

2052
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:04,640
Speaker 2: which it's commonly done in fight sports. And so I

2053
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:06,400
Speaker 2: feel like it's great, but they got people still wrestling

2054
01:32:06,439 --> 01:32:08,320
Speaker 2: in single It's like it's a it's a fun little

2055
01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:11,720
Speaker 2: thing that they're doing. I like what they're doing. I'll

2056
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:14,439
Speaker 2: tell you though, I don't have any interest in no

2057
01:32:14,439 --> 01:32:18,960
Speaker 2: non I mean Cormier. I listen people bet to your point,

2058
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:22,800
Speaker 2: people bag on Cormier and listen everyone. As someone who

2059
01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:26,240
Speaker 2: has commentated much lower level MMA, it's maybe the hardest

2060
01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:29,559
Speaker 2: thing I've ever had to do professionally. Commentating MMA is

2061
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:33,080
Speaker 2: really hard, in part because it's not a replay sport,

2062
01:32:33,479 --> 01:32:37,439
Speaker 2: and so it's just really, really really difficult to get

2063
01:32:37,479 --> 01:32:39,120
Speaker 2: those kinds of things right. And so I'm not saying

2064
01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:40,920
Speaker 2: there's not criticisms you can make of as commentary, but

2065
01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:42,439
Speaker 2: in general I think he gets it pretty right. And

2066
01:32:42,479 --> 01:32:45,120
Speaker 2: I also just more generally, as you pointed out, like

2067
01:32:45,160 --> 01:32:47,880
Speaker 2: his attitude. But dude, I mean he looks like a

2068
01:32:47,880 --> 01:32:49,360
Speaker 2: foot locker sales band at this point.

2069
01:32:49,400 --> 01:32:51,200
Speaker 3: I mean he's you know.

2070
01:32:51,439 --> 01:32:54,200
Speaker 2: He God bless him. Like you, he's done fighting his

2071
01:32:54,280 --> 01:32:56,880
Speaker 2: wrestling careers over. I know he's still coaching, and that's great.

2072
01:32:57,520 --> 01:32:59,320
Speaker 2: You want a big fat wrestling coach, Like that's a

2073
01:32:59,360 --> 01:33:01,040
Speaker 2: thing that you want. Well, that's a good thing, is

2074
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:03,919
Speaker 2: a dad, Like, you don't need to be those things anymore.

2075
01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:05,800
Speaker 2: And also, like getting back to the UFC White House,

2076
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:07,680
Speaker 2: people like, who do you want Connor to fight in

2077
01:33:07,720 --> 01:33:08,760
Speaker 2: the UFC White House card?

2078
01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:11,559
Speaker 3: I'm like nobody. I don't give a fuck.

2079
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:14,240
Speaker 2: If he ever comes back, say yeah, I'm there as well. Man,

2080
01:33:14,360 --> 01:33:17,120
Speaker 2: I'm there as well. Like them fighting again is not

2081
01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:19,040
Speaker 2: a thing I think about in a way where it's

2082
01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:22,280
Speaker 2: like won't this be great? No, no, it will not.

2083
01:33:22,680 --> 01:33:25,439
Speaker 4: So is there anybody though, like say, if you could

2084
01:33:25,439 --> 01:33:28,160
Speaker 4: put any old rivalry or two guys together in the

2085
01:33:28,160 --> 01:33:30,400
Speaker 4: wrestling ring like that, would you be interested in anything

2086
01:33:30,439 --> 01:33:32,040
Speaker 4: like that where they're both in the world of MMA

2087
01:33:32,920 --> 01:33:35,960
Speaker 4: and uh and you could put them together in a

2088
01:33:35,960 --> 01:33:37,680
Speaker 4: wrestling in the wrestling ring like that.

2089
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:40,040
Speaker 2: So we're talking about people like I would put a

2090
01:33:40,080 --> 01:33:41,719
Speaker 2: match together in twenty twenty six.

2091
01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:44,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, that you would be compelled to see what would happen.

2092
01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:46,800
Speaker 3: That's a great question. Yeah, that's what I was.

2093
01:33:47,360 --> 01:33:51,280
Speaker 4: I guess in that sense, there's a little big and

2094
01:33:51,320 --> 01:33:53,600
Speaker 4: again I'm more of this guy. I'm more of the

2095
01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:57,040
Speaker 4: guy who like, if there's bad blood kind of still lingering,

2096
01:33:57,080 --> 01:33:59,479
Speaker 4: then there's there's something to that, right, Like you could

2097
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:01,559
Speaker 4: put it together and you there would there would be

2098
01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:04,120
Speaker 4: something to it. But there's other times, man, I mean,

2099
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:05,200
Speaker 4: you're more analytical when.

2100
01:34:05,080 --> 01:34:05,599
Speaker 3: It comes this way.

2101
01:34:05,640 --> 01:34:07,800
Speaker 4: You're just like I'd be fascinated to see how that

2102
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:10,360
Speaker 4: plays out, just because you don't know whose skill set

2103
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:13,000
Speaker 4: with trump the other in that realm, unless we're talking

2104
01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:17,360
Speaker 4: like Bernard Hopkins or you know, Randy Coutour fifteen years

2105
01:34:17,360 --> 01:34:20,639
Speaker 4: ago or something. Yeah, like if you're old, I don't

2106
01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:23,920
Speaker 4: give a fuck about your life anymore. Right, Wow, that's

2107
01:34:23,960 --> 01:34:27,479
Speaker 4: just just go ahead and set, just go ahead and die.

2108
01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:29,440
Speaker 4: I mean it doesn't you know, but I in all seriousness,

2109
01:34:29,439 --> 01:34:31,639
Speaker 4: like it doesn't mean the same thing to me. Yeah,

2110
01:34:31,960 --> 01:34:36,040
Speaker 4: you know, yeah, doesn't go I will say, do you know,

2111
01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:38,200
Speaker 4: like I cannot believe I'm saying this, because if you

2112
01:34:38,520 --> 01:34:41,519
Speaker 4: say this ten years ago would have sounded kind of humorous.

2113
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:46,200
Speaker 4: I suppose maybe the most forgotten man in all of MMA,

2114
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:48,400
Speaker 4: who would I think be a good fit for RAF

2115
01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:49,719
Speaker 4: is actually Phil Davis.

2116
01:34:50,760 --> 01:34:52,840
Speaker 3: Phil Davis left UFC.

2117
01:34:52,520 --> 01:34:55,400
Speaker 2: For Bellatore and it briefly worked out, but then Ryan

2118
01:34:55,439 --> 01:34:57,000
Speaker 2: Bader came and I kind of messed things up. But

2119
01:34:57,000 --> 01:34:58,600
Speaker 2: he still had a nice career there in terms of

2120
01:34:58,640 --> 01:35:01,920
Speaker 2: like you know, wins in law, says Chuck Division one

2121
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:03,519
Speaker 2: national champion out of Penn State.

2122
01:35:04,240 --> 01:35:07,000
Speaker 3: But nobody, I don't. Nobody talks crazy.

2123
01:35:07,560 --> 01:35:09,320
Speaker 4: Last I talked to him, he was talking about a

2124
01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:11,760
Speaker 4: book club that he was in in San Diego, like

2125
01:35:11,800 --> 01:35:14,280
Speaker 4: he was, Well, you mentioned in my books. This is

2126
01:35:14,320 --> 01:35:16,599
Speaker 4: a guy who actually would get together with other dudes

2127
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:18,479
Speaker 4: and talk about books.

2128
01:35:18,520 --> 01:35:20,439
Speaker 3: Isn't that crazy? I've never heard that from a from

2129
01:35:20,479 --> 01:35:21,240
Speaker 3: an MMA guy.

2130
01:35:21,560 --> 01:35:23,400
Speaker 2: I'm going to have a book club on my substack.

2131
01:35:23,439 --> 01:35:26,559
Speaker 3: You can join it. How about that? That'd be wonderful

2132
01:35:27,439 --> 01:35:28,160
Speaker 3: at any event.

2133
01:35:29,160 --> 01:35:31,400
Speaker 2: I don't care if John John ever comes back, so

2134
01:35:31,720 --> 01:35:33,880
Speaker 2: please don't that'd be great if you didn't. All right,

2135
01:35:34,120 --> 01:35:37,880
Speaker 2: and are those are our top five topics? It is

2136
01:35:37,960 --> 01:35:42,799
Speaker 2: now time where you get to ask us questions every Monday,

2137
01:35:42,840 --> 01:35:45,360
Speaker 2: we put out a call on the old socials put

2138
01:35:45,360 --> 01:35:46,760
Speaker 2: the social graphic cup. I don't think we put that

2139
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:49,320
Speaker 2: up at the beginning of the show, Long Island. We'll

2140
01:35:49,320 --> 01:35:50,200
Speaker 2: get you one here.

2141
01:35:50,439 --> 01:35:52,200
Speaker 3: Oh we all went already for Chuck. Excellent.

2142
01:35:52,240 --> 01:35:55,520
Speaker 2: Great, you can see Chuck socials, you can see my socials,

2143
01:35:55,800 --> 01:35:57,240
Speaker 2: and then of course at the very beginning here you

2144
01:35:57,240 --> 01:35:59,080
Speaker 2: can see the MK soldiers. We put out a call

2145
01:35:59,160 --> 01:36:02,040
Speaker 2: on IG four questions. You guys fill it up, and

2146
01:36:02,080 --> 01:36:04,840
Speaker 2: then the producers pick the very best ones. It's time

2147
01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:08,280
Speaker 2: for a donkey to ejaculate. It is time for dms

2148
01:36:08,280 --> 01:36:15,640
Speaker 2: from dogs. By the way, we're getting back to the

2149
01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:18,759
Speaker 2: last one here, Long Lucas asking would you watch Islam

2150
01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:22,519
Speaker 2: Arman in RAF? The answer is yes, of course, Like

2151
01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:25,000
Speaker 2: why would you not watch that? You know, I just

2152
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:25,439
Speaker 2: don't know.

2153
01:36:26,600 --> 01:36:28,760
Speaker 6: I wasn't posing it as would you? You said, what's

2154
01:36:28,800 --> 01:36:30,679
Speaker 6: a good matchup? You could chat that way.

2155
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:34,760
Speaker 3: For sure? All right?

2156
01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:39,200
Speaker 2: Question number one this is from Fernandez as I say

2157
01:36:39,240 --> 01:36:42,679
Speaker 2: it like a doc TM ninety three. Speaking of which,

2158
01:36:42,720 --> 01:36:45,320
Speaker 2: thoughts on RAF. As a fan of wrestling, I want

2159
01:36:45,320 --> 01:36:48,639
Speaker 2: to see Valencia. I think it's a heat Valencia versus

2160
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:49,679
Speaker 2: bow Nickel.

2161
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:53,960
Speaker 3: How much of it. Have you actually watched beginning to end.

2162
01:36:54,840 --> 01:36:57,040
Speaker 4: I have not watched any of them the full way,

2163
01:36:57,080 --> 01:36:59,439
Speaker 4: but I did talk to them, you know, to the

2164
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:01,519
Speaker 4: to the guys running it, and did a piece on

2165
01:37:01,680 --> 01:37:02,599
Speaker 4: when they were launching.

2166
01:37:02,680 --> 01:37:03,639
Speaker 3: And I've paid attention.

2167
01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:06,240
Speaker 4: You know, I paid attention, and I try to catch

2168
01:37:06,320 --> 01:37:10,280
Speaker 4: up on things that matter like that have happened. But dude,

2169
01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:12,839
Speaker 4: I gotta say, I dig it. They're going to towns

2170
01:37:13,160 --> 01:37:16,920
Speaker 4: that will appreciate wrestling. They have strong wrestling communities. You know,

2171
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:19,559
Speaker 4: they went to Pence. It would have been great if

2172
01:37:20,240 --> 01:37:22,080
Speaker 4: when they did that, the Boon Nicchol would competed on

2173
01:37:22,160 --> 01:37:24,760
Speaker 4: that particular card. But I'm like, but I do dig

2174
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:27,479
Speaker 4: that they kind of tie it into the communities and

2175
01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:30,800
Speaker 4: they've got the right ambassadors, and I do feel like

2176
01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:33,559
Speaker 4: there's like this been held back, this bowstring that's been

2177
01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:35,720
Speaker 4: let go from this wrestling community. It's like, thank God,

2178
01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:39,160
Speaker 4: we finally got some kind of you know, outside of

2179
01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:42,800
Speaker 4: collegiate and Olympic, you know, professional realm to focus on,

2180
01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:45,600
Speaker 4: which is fun because a lot of these guys, you

2181
01:37:45,640 --> 01:37:47,000
Speaker 4: know what I mean, I think a lot of these

2182
01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:49,040
Speaker 4: guys this is kinda this is what they want to

2183
01:37:49,080 --> 01:37:51,280
Speaker 4: do this is what they were born doing, this is

2184
01:37:51,280 --> 01:37:52,439
Speaker 4: what they've been doing the whole time, this is what

2185
01:37:52,479 --> 01:37:53,120
Speaker 4: they want to be doing.

2186
01:37:54,439 --> 01:37:58,240
Speaker 2: Wrestling to me is I mean, the comparisons are not equivalent,

2187
01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:01,400
Speaker 2: but they face similar struggles where it's like with kickboxing,

2188
01:38:01,439 --> 01:38:04,479
Speaker 2: it's like, why can't kickboxing be more popular in the

2189
01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:06,600
Speaker 2: United States and the reasons why it's not or not

2190
01:38:06,720 --> 01:38:08,759
Speaker 2: the reasons why wrestling is not more popular. It's actually

2191
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:12,320
Speaker 2: quite different, but it kind of still faces the same

2192
01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:18,280
Speaker 2: can't penetrate into more mainstream consciousness kind of challenge. I

2193
01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:20,640
Speaker 2: will say, Chuck, I did a little bit again on

2194
01:38:20,720 --> 01:38:22,280
Speaker 2: my substeck. I did a little bit of story about

2195
01:38:22,320 --> 01:38:28,920
Speaker 2: this the growth the fastest growing sport I don't know

2196
01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:31,479
Speaker 2: in the world, but in the United States, do you

2197
01:38:31,479 --> 01:38:35,519
Speaker 2: know what it is the fastest growing sport? No, women's

2198
01:38:35,560 --> 01:38:39,880
Speaker 2: wrestling really yes, on the scholastic level, so high school,

2199
01:38:39,920 --> 01:38:42,280
Speaker 2: that kind of thing. That is by far the fact,

2200
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:47,439
Speaker 2: I mean, their numbers are exploding. I don't know how

2201
01:38:47,479 --> 01:38:51,439
Speaker 2: palatable that would be to grow RAF's audience because it

2202
01:38:51,439 --> 01:38:53,639
Speaker 2: seems like most of their cars are for the most part,

2203
01:38:53,640 --> 01:38:58,160
Speaker 2: pretty male centric. But nevertheless, something to pay attention to.

2204
01:38:58,479 --> 01:39:01,680
Speaker 4: Why doesn't you know I've probably talked about this in

2205
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:05,040
Speaker 4: the best but briefly, like why doesn't kick pocket You

2206
01:39:05,080 --> 01:39:06,680
Speaker 4: worked with Glory back in the day, right, like you did.

2207
01:39:06,680 --> 01:39:08,280
Speaker 4: I remember you were doing some stuff, but like, why

2208
01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:10,000
Speaker 4: doesn't Why it hasn't that caught.

2209
01:39:09,800 --> 01:39:17,800
Speaker 2: On because I think ultimately it does not feel like

2210
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:24,040
Speaker 2: something Americans understand as their own, okay, and.

2211
01:39:24,640 --> 01:39:26,040
Speaker 3: They have no frame.

2212
01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:27,920
Speaker 2: I mean even if you like, oh, I can go

2213
01:39:27,960 --> 01:39:30,200
Speaker 2: and train muay Thai at my local gym, but it's

2214
01:39:30,240 --> 01:39:33,040
Speaker 2: still tie boxing, right, you know, it's still some it's

2215
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:34,960
Speaker 2: still like cultural import And by the way, I don't

2216
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:36,559
Speaker 2: say this is a thing to reject. I says a

2217
01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:40,240
Speaker 2: thing to embrace, but I'm saying between that and between

2218
01:39:40,280 --> 01:39:42,840
Speaker 2: like there's no scholastic programs for it, so people aren't

2219
01:39:42,840 --> 01:39:44,959
Speaker 2: coming up in it whereas they do there is scholastic

2220
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:46,000
Speaker 2: wrestling for example.

2221
01:39:46,040 --> 01:39:47,840
Speaker 3: Obviously, you know, you just.

2222
01:39:47,840 --> 01:39:49,920
Speaker 2: Don't have a lot of American names, you don't have

2223
01:39:49,960 --> 01:39:51,840
Speaker 2: a lot of American gyms, you don't have a lot

2224
01:39:51,840 --> 01:39:55,200
Speaker 2: of American shows. There's like it's just not a feature

2225
01:39:55,200 --> 01:39:58,240
Speaker 2: of the American imagination. And I think it's because it

2226
01:39:58,280 --> 01:40:01,720
Speaker 2: doesn't have any real like hardcore roots here.

2227
01:40:01,840 --> 01:40:03,920
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, And I guess that like when people

2228
01:40:03,960 --> 01:40:06,839
Speaker 4: are like, well, knockouts are what they translate for everybody.

2229
01:40:06,960 --> 01:40:09,320
Speaker 4: It's that's the one example where I'm always like, well

2230
01:40:09,840 --> 01:40:12,680
Speaker 4: maybe not. I mean, yeah, sort of. You know, I

2231
01:40:12,680 --> 01:40:15,519
Speaker 4: remember when Israel, Lasania and Broomfield. Weren't you at that card?

2232
01:40:15,520 --> 01:40:18,479
Speaker 4: Like when ad Asanya won, Uh you knock somebody out

2233
01:40:18,479 --> 01:40:19,160
Speaker 4: in Colorado?

2234
01:40:19,720 --> 01:40:22,519
Speaker 2: Then oh yeah, yes, I know what you're talking about.

2235
01:40:22,640 --> 01:40:23,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah it was.

2236
01:40:23,560 --> 01:40:26,320
Speaker 4: But I remember at that point just noticing that, like

2237
01:40:26,360 --> 01:40:27,880
Speaker 4: there's a couple of good fights on that was that

2238
01:40:27,880 --> 01:40:29,320
Speaker 4: that was the one card I was out and just being.

2239
01:40:29,200 --> 01:40:31,800
Speaker 3: Like, why doesn't this translate? But I think you're right.

2240
01:40:31,880 --> 01:40:34,439
Speaker 3: I just feel like there's a detachment there somehow for

2241
01:40:34,479 --> 01:40:35,240
Speaker 3: American audience.

2242
01:40:35,960 --> 01:40:36,240
Speaker 7: Uh.

2243
01:40:36,280 --> 01:40:39,599
Speaker 2: From Mike Linden w X Excited for the new chapter

2244
01:40:39,640 --> 01:40:42,599
Speaker 2: of MK and the pay per viewless paramount era. Which

2245
01:40:42,720 --> 01:40:46,479
Speaker 2: current UFC champion or champions do you predict will end

2246
01:40:46,520 --> 01:40:49,760
Speaker 2: the year as champion? Interim by the way, doesn't count.

2247
01:40:49,760 --> 01:40:51,479
Speaker 2: I mean it kind of counts depending on how the

2248
01:40:51,560 --> 01:40:54,400
Speaker 2: divisions go. Yeah, but Chuck, who do you think is

2249
01:40:54,439 --> 01:40:56,320
Speaker 2: going to have some staying power?

2250
01:40:57,000 --> 01:40:58,600
Speaker 4: So this this is a person who will still be

2251
01:40:58,640 --> 01:41:00,439
Speaker 4: champion at the end of the year. He's champion right now,

2252
01:41:01,080 --> 01:41:07,240
Speaker 4: probably Ham's up because he'll probably only fight once. You know,

2253
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:14,360
Speaker 4: it's tough to say Ilia or not. That's what I

2254
01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:17,120
Speaker 4: was gonna say, Islam. It's tough to say Islam because

2255
01:41:18,320 --> 01:41:20,720
Speaker 4: that's a monster division. But I'm not saying he can't

2256
01:41:20,760 --> 01:41:22,240
Speaker 4: beat those guys because it feels like if you were

2257
01:41:22,280 --> 01:41:23,920
Speaker 4: to pair up him with any of those guys, I

2258
01:41:23,960 --> 01:41:26,280
Speaker 4: think I'd still favor him. But dude, that's the that's

2259
01:41:26,360 --> 01:41:28,599
Speaker 4: the one with all the monsters mashing their fists ready

2260
01:41:28,600 --> 01:41:31,160
Speaker 4: to fight him, and that's that's it's. It's gonna be

2261
01:41:31,160 --> 01:41:33,120
Speaker 4: tougher if he fights a couple of times this year.

2262
01:41:34,120 --> 01:41:36,040
Speaker 2: Uh long Island, Luke, who do you think is gonna last?

2263
01:41:36,040 --> 01:41:39,000
Speaker 3: We did this kind of with the prediction episode.

2264
01:41:38,840 --> 01:41:42,160
Speaker 6: Got a good say Kayla Harrison, assuming she gets Amanda

2265
01:41:42,240 --> 01:41:46,080
Speaker 6: Nuna's prom aspinall, just because we don't know how long

2266
01:41:46,120 --> 01:41:49,799
Speaker 6: he's gonna be out and maybe only fights Siro Gone once,

2267
01:41:50,120 --> 01:41:51,920
Speaker 6: you know, like maybe they do that rematch late in

2268
01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:56,560
Speaker 6: the year or something because he durned No Yeah, durn no.

2269
01:41:56,800 --> 01:42:01,960
Speaker 6: Val skeptical on Vulc. I'm skeptical on Yah. I'm skeptical event.

2270
01:42:02,120 --> 01:42:05,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's just a lot of competitiveness in the other place.

2271
01:42:05,320 --> 01:42:07,599
Speaker 2: It's usually the women's divisions and then the heavier divisions

2272
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:10,000
Speaker 2: where they're just like you know where it's just again

2273
01:42:10,120 --> 01:42:15,000
Speaker 2: the divisions are buns, all right. Point number three, Lawrence

2274
01:42:15,080 --> 01:42:18,200
Speaker 2: of Hampton. What's a new trend you could see popping

2275
01:42:18,280 --> 01:42:20,639
Speaker 2: up in MMA in twenty twenty six. What's something people

2276
01:42:20,680 --> 01:42:24,439
Speaker 2: need to start combating? You know, it's not new, Chuck,

2277
01:42:24,479 --> 01:42:26,400
Speaker 2: it's not new, but I've been Actually, I don't know

2278
01:42:26,439 --> 01:42:31,280
Speaker 2: if you saw over the holidays, Craig Jones put out

2279
01:42:31,360 --> 01:42:37,559
Speaker 2: the updated Octopus Card instructional. And I know this might sound, oh,

2280
01:42:37,560 --> 01:42:40,639
Speaker 2: this is so esoteric. I don't think so. I actually

2281
01:42:40,640 --> 01:42:45,040
Speaker 2: think reaching over the back behind the opponent's elbows and

2282
01:42:45,080 --> 01:42:48,320
Speaker 2: shoulder and then using that to either create a scramble

2283
01:42:48,520 --> 01:42:51,960
Speaker 2: reverse position go bottom top, or to get the back.

2284
01:42:52,320 --> 01:42:55,480
Speaker 2: I actually think it's going to be a key component

2285
01:42:55,920 --> 01:42:58,240
Speaker 2: of how scrambling evolves in MMA.

2286
01:42:58,840 --> 01:43:01,240
Speaker 4: It would be kind of cool to some evolution that way.

2287
01:43:01,960 --> 01:43:05,000
Speaker 4: You don't usually see. I mean it's been it's been

2288
01:43:05,080 --> 01:43:08,040
Speaker 4: kinda it's difficult for the for the sport to evolve,

2289
01:43:08,120 --> 01:43:09,519
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like guys get get very

2290
01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:11,360
Speaker 4: good at certain things and they just keep doing it.

2291
01:43:11,400 --> 01:43:13,160
Speaker 4: So if that's the case, is there an example of

2292
01:43:13,200 --> 01:43:14,160
Speaker 4: somebody already doing this?

2293
01:43:14,840 --> 01:43:17,479
Speaker 2: Bro bj Penn did it twenty years ago. I mean

2294
01:43:17,560 --> 01:43:21,879
Speaker 2: that motherfucker was well ahead of his time. But JDM

2295
01:43:21,920 --> 01:43:24,360
Speaker 2: has done octopus gard in previous bouts. He tried it

2296
01:43:24,400 --> 01:43:27,599
Speaker 2: against Islam. Islam was too good. But you're already starting

2297
01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:30,120
Speaker 2: to see other people beginning to use it. It's it's

2298
01:43:30,120 --> 01:43:32,240
Speaker 2: actually growing interesting. Here's how you Here's how you know

2299
01:43:32,280 --> 01:43:34,599
Speaker 2: it's going to grow more popular at MMA is because

2300
01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:38,639
Speaker 2: you're starting to see it a shit ton in nogi grappling. Yeah,

2301
01:43:38,640 --> 01:43:41,360
Speaker 2: and not everything that is relevant to nogi grappling goes

2302
01:43:41,439 --> 01:43:44,759
Speaker 2: up a level. But something where you can create bottom

2303
01:43:44,800 --> 01:43:48,240
Speaker 2: to top scrambles is absolutely going to bleed through, and

2304
01:43:48,280 --> 01:43:50,120
Speaker 2: I think it will interesting.

2305
01:43:51,760 --> 01:43:52,160
Speaker 3: All right.

2306
01:43:52,360 --> 01:43:56,280
Speaker 2: Eric Bolden asks for question four, what UFC fight that

2307
01:43:56,360 --> 01:43:59,519
Speaker 2: has been announced are you most excited for?

2308
01:44:00,439 --> 01:44:06,000
Speaker 3: Jesus oh man, do you have one at the top

2309
01:44:06,040 --> 01:44:06,479
Speaker 3: of your head?

2310
01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:10,120
Speaker 2: Honestly, I'll tell you, Patty Gaegee, the problem with it

2311
01:44:10,200 --> 01:44:12,439
Speaker 2: is it's the other parts about it that are not

2312
01:44:12,640 --> 01:44:15,200
Speaker 2: part of this question. You know, does it deserve to

2313
01:44:15,200 --> 01:44:16,960
Speaker 2: be the fight that should have even been made.

2314
01:44:17,080 --> 01:44:17,479
Speaker 3: I don't know.

2315
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:19,920
Speaker 2: It's a debate we can have. Should there be an

2316
01:44:19,920 --> 01:44:23,040
Speaker 2: interim title once again, that's a different debate. But just

2317
01:44:23,240 --> 01:44:26,479
Speaker 2: as a fight, it's a good ass fight, Like it's

2318
01:44:26,479 --> 01:44:28,160
Speaker 2: a great fight, right.

2319
01:44:28,200 --> 01:44:30,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah it is it.

2320
01:44:30,240 --> 01:44:34,519
Speaker 4: Hooker and Ben was Santon York that they they've been booked, right,

2321
01:44:34,840 --> 01:44:39,160
Speaker 4: because to me that there's a lot of intrigue to

2322
01:44:39,200 --> 01:44:41,479
Speaker 4: a fight like that, you know what I mean? So

2323
01:44:41,560 --> 01:44:43,200
Speaker 4: I think, I mean I would have to. They've help

2324
01:44:43,280 --> 01:44:44,640
Speaker 4: so many fights. I feel like I'm not giving a

2325
01:44:44,760 --> 01:44:46,200
Speaker 4: justice because I don't have them all in front of me.

2326
01:44:46,240 --> 01:44:47,680
Speaker 4: But I know when they announced that one, I was

2327
01:44:47,720 --> 01:44:48,559
Speaker 4: very intrigued by that.

2328
01:44:49,600 --> 01:44:51,080
Speaker 3: Fair anything else? So now.

2329
01:44:52,600 --> 01:44:55,599
Speaker 7: I like the Arnold Allen John Silva fight coming.

2330
01:44:55,600 --> 01:44:58,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah that's a good one. Yes, that's a great fight.

2331
01:44:58,520 --> 01:44:59,240
Speaker 2: Yes totally.

2332
01:44:59,400 --> 01:45:01,639
Speaker 3: I mean there's some good fights on the six.

2333
01:45:02,040 --> 01:45:04,240
Speaker 4: We used to go crazy ape shit whenever they would

2334
01:45:04,479 --> 01:45:06,760
Speaker 4: announce fights, like people on Twitter and stuff. I feel

2335
01:45:06,760 --> 01:45:09,400
Speaker 4: like these days they could name a dozen fights over

2336
01:45:09,400 --> 01:45:11,320
Speaker 4: the course of a couple of days and you barely

2337
01:45:11,360 --> 01:45:11,840
Speaker 4: hear about it.

2338
01:45:11,880 --> 01:45:14,120
Speaker 2: The only time that I've noticed now that people go

2339
01:45:14,160 --> 01:45:17,000
Speaker 2: ape shit Chuck is when they do like Dane is

2340
01:45:17,000 --> 01:45:19,679
Speaker 2: going to go live on ig and then they announced

2341
01:45:19,720 --> 01:45:21,960
Speaker 2: like the main events of like three cards all the

2342
01:45:21,960 --> 01:45:23,120
Speaker 2: way right, like people go ape.

2343
01:45:22,960 --> 01:45:25,200
Speaker 3: Shit for that one for sure. Yes that's true, all right.

2344
01:45:25,160 --> 01:45:28,640
Speaker 2: Last, but not least from John Underscored Winklefred worst name

2345
01:45:28,680 --> 01:45:31,640
Speaker 2: I've ever seen in my life. If LT had to

2346
01:45:31,680 --> 01:45:34,760
Speaker 2: spend fourteen days on a remote island was one of

2347
01:45:34,800 --> 01:45:38,720
Speaker 2: the following. Who would he pick? Bert Chrysler? Who do

2348
01:45:38,760 --> 01:45:39,880
Speaker 2: you know who Burn Chrysler is?

2349
01:45:39,960 --> 01:45:43,920
Speaker 3: Yes? No, no, no, not burn Burnt? Is that what says? Yeah?

2350
01:45:44,280 --> 01:45:47,960
Speaker 2: Burnt Chrysler is what we call Bert Kreischer. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,

2351
01:45:47,960 --> 01:45:50,599
Speaker 2: that's what I thought. That can't who's never been funny

2352
01:45:50,600 --> 01:45:53,320
Speaker 2: a day in his life, but somehow I've seen him. Okay, yes, yes,

2353
01:45:53,360 --> 01:45:55,320
Speaker 2: it's like, dude, he's a fat drunk and he's rich.

2354
01:45:55,360 --> 01:45:59,800
Speaker 4: I'm like, he's not funny, Like he's takes a shirt

2355
01:45:59,840 --> 01:46:00,839
Speaker 4: off a good deal.

2356
01:46:01,479 --> 01:46:09,559
Speaker 2: That you literally his only bit and you know, is

2357
01:46:09,560 --> 01:46:11,000
Speaker 2: he gonna die have the gout at some point?

2358
01:46:11,600 --> 01:46:12,320
Speaker 3: Probably? Right?

2359
01:46:13,040 --> 01:46:16,840
Speaker 2: Joanna Champion, that's a no or cake lady? Do you

2360
01:46:16,880 --> 01:46:18,759
Speaker 2: know the cake lady?

2361
01:46:18,920 --> 01:46:19,479
Speaker 3: I don't think so.

2362
01:46:19,560 --> 01:46:21,080
Speaker 2: See, we got to get you steeped up on some

2363
01:46:21,200 --> 01:46:24,280
Speaker 2: MK Laurie, so BC during have you seen this ship

2364
01:46:24,360 --> 01:46:27,080
Speaker 2: with this fucking dirt absolute dirt bag?

2365
01:46:27,120 --> 01:46:29,360
Speaker 3: Would do he found out? I think, what is she?

2366
01:46:29,439 --> 01:46:33,680
Speaker 2: French or French Canadian, some kind of woman who's a

2367
01:46:33,760 --> 01:46:37,519
Speaker 2: cake cake baker. She makes pastries, but her bit is

2368
01:46:37,920 --> 01:46:42,240
Speaker 2: she makes cake where like it looks like real life objects,

2369
01:46:42,479 --> 01:46:44,559
Speaker 2: and then her videos is she'd make it and then

2370
01:46:44,600 --> 01:46:46,920
Speaker 2: she's like she'd pick up like this thing like you know,

2371
01:46:46,920 --> 01:46:48,840
Speaker 2: which is like a for for like you know, for

2372
01:46:49,040 --> 01:46:51,240
Speaker 2: plugging your microphone to your and then.

2373
01:46:51,120 --> 01:46:52,680
Speaker 3: You just start eating it, you know what I mean.

2374
01:46:52,720 --> 01:46:56,360
Speaker 2: You'd be like, like, goddamn, this lady's like eating the walls.

2375
01:46:56,400 --> 01:47:00,400
Speaker 2: She's like a billy goat eating cans. And it kind

2376
01:47:00,400 --> 01:47:01,920
Speaker 2: of grossed me out and freaked me out. So the

2377
01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:03,880
Speaker 2: question is who would I rather be? The answer is

2378
01:47:03,920 --> 01:47:08,400
Speaker 2: cake lady lady. I'd rather her haunt my dreams than

2379
01:47:08,520 --> 01:47:14,920
Speaker 2: spend five nano seconds next to the swollen red unfunny

2380
01:47:14,960 --> 01:47:17,960
Speaker 2: oaf that is burnt cry. I've never seen a more

2381
01:47:18,080 --> 01:47:21,280
Speaker 2: talentless man make money in my fucking life.

2382
01:47:21,760 --> 01:47:23,479
Speaker 3: I would pay to see you on an island with him.

2383
01:47:23,520 --> 01:47:26,360
Speaker 3: That'd be that'd be prime TV for me, would just

2384
01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:27,639
Speaker 3: be Lord of the Flies Murder.

2385
01:47:30,320 --> 01:47:35,840
Speaker 2: It's like, it's like Burt stop crying in falsetto every

2386
01:47:35,880 --> 01:47:37,280
Speaker 2: time you open your fucking mouth?

2387
01:47:37,920 --> 01:47:38,599
Speaker 3: Can you do that?

2388
01:47:38,720 --> 01:47:40,080
Speaker 2: What was the last time you went to a stand

2389
01:47:40,160 --> 01:47:40,760
Speaker 2: up comedy show?

2390
01:47:40,800 --> 01:47:41,360
Speaker 3: Can you remember?

2391
01:47:42,920 --> 01:47:46,920
Speaker 4: That's been a little while, man, if it would, Yeah,

2392
01:47:46,920 --> 01:47:48,160
Speaker 4: it's been it's been a few years.

2393
01:47:48,960 --> 01:47:50,920
Speaker 2: I went to I go to some you know occasionally

2394
01:47:50,920 --> 01:47:53,240
Speaker 2: here in DC. Comedy is not in a it's not

2395
01:47:53,280 --> 01:47:55,479
Speaker 2: in a great place, you know what I mean. It's

2396
01:47:55,479 --> 01:47:57,280
Speaker 2: not twenty years ago. I went to go see Nick

2397
01:47:57,320 --> 01:48:00,960
Speaker 2: Depollo and Patris O'Neil and Nick has turned into a

2398
01:48:01,040 --> 01:48:05,000
Speaker 2: virulent racist and Patris O'Neil is dead, and so I

2399
01:48:05,000 --> 01:48:05,519
Speaker 2: think that's it.

2400
01:48:05,680 --> 01:48:07,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's definitely changed.

2401
01:48:08,560 --> 01:48:12,479
Speaker 2: All right, That is it for the DMS. Now let's

2402
01:48:12,479 --> 01:48:15,960
Speaker 2: bring along Island Luke here, because we gotta discuss this

2403
01:48:16,120 --> 01:48:20,280
Speaker 2: long island. We had a lot to figure out about

2404
01:48:20,320 --> 01:48:22,000
Speaker 2: what we're gonna do with parts of the show that

2405
01:48:22,040 --> 01:48:25,200
Speaker 2: are like unmistakably BC right, like do we keep him?

2406
01:48:25,200 --> 01:48:25,600
Speaker 3: Do we not?

2407
01:48:26,560 --> 01:48:29,559
Speaker 2: And what we decided was for have you seen this shit?

2408
01:48:30,040 --> 01:48:32,719
Speaker 2: It's not retired? That would not be correct to say,

2409
01:48:33,160 --> 01:48:35,519
Speaker 2: but we're not gonna do it as a regular part

2410
01:48:35,600 --> 01:48:38,320
Speaker 2: of Monday's. There might be bringing it back on occasion. Certainly,

2411
01:48:38,360 --> 01:48:41,200
Speaker 2: when BC comes back, we'll have him do it like

2412
01:48:41,280 --> 01:48:44,800
Speaker 2: we'll do it again, but we're not gonna do it today. Instead,

2413
01:48:45,080 --> 01:48:47,840
Speaker 2: we're gonna try out different segments as you mentioned each

2414
01:48:47,840 --> 01:48:50,040
Speaker 2: O every time we're here, Why don't you tell the

2415
01:48:50,040 --> 01:48:51,920
Speaker 2: folks what we have in store today?

2416
01:48:52,320 --> 01:48:57,240
Speaker 6: So today we're playing a little game called high School Headbangers. So, Luke,

2417
01:48:57,320 --> 01:48:59,760
Speaker 6: you've actually played this with BC before where you were

2418
01:48:59,760 --> 01:49:03,719
Speaker 6: the home and it's basically guess the nineties song lyric.

2419
01:49:04,160 --> 01:49:07,080
Speaker 6: The only difference here is we're gonna have punishments if you, guys,

2420
01:49:07,120 --> 01:49:08,240
Speaker 6: do not get it correct.

2421
01:49:08,360 --> 01:49:10,800
Speaker 7: So I'll play you to a video after if you

2422
01:49:10,840 --> 01:49:12,120
Speaker 7: do not get it correct, something.

2423
01:49:12,040 --> 01:49:14,519
Speaker 3: We have to guess the lyrics that come next. No,

2424
01:49:14,640 --> 01:49:15,120
Speaker 3: you have to.

2425
01:49:15,080 --> 01:49:16,320
Speaker 7: Guess the name of the song.

2426
01:49:16,640 --> 01:49:18,599
Speaker 3: Oh okay, I'm not gonna get it this.

2427
01:49:18,640 --> 01:49:20,519
Speaker 6: If I really know you know the band and you

2428
01:49:20,680 --> 01:49:22,280
Speaker 6: just can't come up with the name, I might give

2429
01:49:22,320 --> 01:49:26,080
Speaker 6: you partial other way. We'll do it like that. But guys,

2430
01:49:26,320 --> 01:49:37,479
Speaker 6: let's just let's play. Let's play the damn intro. I'm

2431
01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:42,960
Speaker 6: prong right, lt e're up first, All right, it's okay,

2432
01:49:43,240 --> 01:49:44,160
Speaker 6: had a bad day.

2433
01:49:44,560 --> 01:49:47,080
Speaker 7: Hands are bruised from breaking rocks all.

2434
01:49:47,080 --> 01:49:56,040
Speaker 3: Day because you had a bad day. To take one.

2435
01:49:57,080 --> 01:49:57,799
Speaker 3: It's okay.

2436
01:49:58,240 --> 01:50:03,560
Speaker 2: Have a broad river then, Brus, we're breaking rocks all day.

2437
01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:05,679
Speaker 3: Can you tell me what year?

2438
01:50:06,720 --> 01:50:07,960
Speaker 7: Nineteen ninety four?

2439
01:50:09,880 --> 01:50:10,800
Speaker 3: I know the song, but.

2440
01:50:14,280 --> 01:50:17,679
Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess and I don't fucking know Alison Chains.

2441
01:50:17,720 --> 01:50:20,559
Speaker 6: I don't know it is Alice in Chains. That's the

2442
01:50:20,640 --> 01:50:25,040
Speaker 6: name of the song. Though that's too hard. Maybe I'll

2443
01:50:25,040 --> 01:50:25,400
Speaker 6: just give you what.

2444
01:50:26,240 --> 01:50:31,679
Speaker 2: We're still working out the kings here, Yeah, angry chair.

2445
01:50:32,520 --> 01:50:36,400
Speaker 7: That is incorrect is no excuses.

2446
01:50:36,640 --> 01:50:39,280
Speaker 3: No excuses that now.

2447
01:50:39,800 --> 01:50:41,960
Speaker 6: I think it's only right that we let you watch

2448
01:50:41,960 --> 01:50:44,920
Speaker 6: your punishment video because Chuck needs to learn who cake

2449
01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:45,439
Speaker 6: Lady is.

2450
01:50:46,560 --> 01:50:49,879
Speaker 2: You'll look at this car, okay, she can't eat anything

2451
01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:52,360
Speaker 2: normal Like just here, I'm gonna eat my steering.

2452
01:50:52,560 --> 01:50:55,360
Speaker 3: You always stare at the Yes, that's the other part, bro.

2453
01:50:55,479 --> 01:50:57,720
Speaker 2: She makes my contact like a prostitute in the red

2454
01:50:57,800 --> 01:51:00,759
Speaker 2: light district of Amsterdam.

2455
01:51:00,920 --> 01:51:04,040
Speaker 6: No pass, All right, going forward, I'll give you credit

2456
01:51:04,080 --> 01:51:06,439
Speaker 6: for the band name. Snyder's right in the chat so,

2457
01:51:06,520 --> 01:51:09,599
Speaker 6: but I just needed to look all right, all right, Chuck,

2458
01:51:09,640 --> 01:51:11,960
Speaker 6: this one's for you. Well, I guess I should stick

2459
01:51:12,000 --> 01:51:14,519
Speaker 6: up for myself, but I really think it's better this way.

2460
01:51:14,640 --> 01:51:17,479
Speaker 6: The more you suffer, the more it shows you really care.

2461
01:51:17,960 --> 01:51:19,200
Speaker 3: Oh I know this offspring?

2462
01:51:19,680 --> 01:51:19,920
Speaker 5: Yes?

2463
01:51:20,240 --> 01:51:27,400
Speaker 3: Correct? Right? Yeah, a song? I don't.

2464
01:51:27,720 --> 01:51:29,439
Speaker 4: I probably could figure it out as a chorus. I'd

2465
01:51:29,439 --> 01:51:31,120
Speaker 4: have to figure this whole thing out. But no, not

2466
01:51:31,160 --> 01:51:31,960
Speaker 4: off the top of my head.

2467
01:51:32,080 --> 01:51:34,360
Speaker 3: I guess, can I try? But I guess like no

2468
01:51:34,439 --> 01:51:35,240
Speaker 3: self esteem?

2469
01:51:35,360 --> 01:51:38,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, self esteem? That's nineteen ninety four.

2470
01:51:39,240 --> 01:51:40,040
Speaker 3: See, this would have been.

2471
01:51:40,240 --> 01:51:42,600
Speaker 4: I think this is particularly cruel that you're rolling this

2472
01:51:42,600 --> 01:51:43,160
Speaker 4: one out when.

2473
01:51:44,960 --> 01:51:45,360
Speaker 3: You guys.

2474
01:51:45,760 --> 01:51:48,280
Speaker 2: BC's watching right now because he's got nothing else to

2475
01:51:48,280 --> 01:51:48,840
Speaker 2: do with his life.

2476
01:51:48,880 --> 01:51:51,360
Speaker 3: I know that, And right now he's going, what the fuck?

2477
01:51:51,439 --> 01:51:52,040
Speaker 3: Where was this?

2478
01:51:53,760 --> 01:51:57,120
Speaker 6: I'm just saying I wasn't getting compensated to produce. I'm

2479
01:51:57,160 --> 01:51:59,880
Speaker 6: getting compensated to produce now, you know which that comes

2480
01:52:00,680 --> 01:52:02,040
Speaker 6: comes inspiration that I like.

2481
01:52:02,160 --> 01:52:03,720
Speaker 7: Anyways, LT your second one.

2482
01:52:03,720 --> 01:52:04,160
Speaker 3: Here you go.

2483
01:52:04,760 --> 01:52:08,280
Speaker 6: Don't scream about don't think aloud. Turn your head now, baby,

2484
01:52:08,400 --> 01:52:09,240
Speaker 6: just spit me out.

2485
01:52:15,880 --> 01:52:27,400
Speaker 2: It's so familiar. Don't for ruca salt. I'm not sure incorrect.

2486
01:52:27,439 --> 01:52:29,200
Speaker 7: It was collective soul. I know you've seen them.

2487
01:52:31,640 --> 01:52:32,920
Speaker 3: Put it back up, put it back up, put it

2488
01:52:32,920 --> 01:52:33,200
Speaker 3: back up.

2489
01:52:34,400 --> 01:52:34,880
Speaker 7: Here it is.

2490
01:52:35,360 --> 01:52:40,439
Speaker 2: Don't scream about, don't think loud. Turn your head now, baby,

2491
01:52:40,720 --> 01:52:42,599
Speaker 2: just I haven't heard that song in so long.

2492
01:52:42,760 --> 01:52:43,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so easy.

2493
01:52:44,280 --> 01:52:47,000
Speaker 7: Well now you got to watch this, luke, it's Jay.

2494
01:52:47,200 --> 01:52:50,959
Speaker 3: Here we go. No, is this motherfucker in every episode

2495
01:52:50,960 --> 01:52:55,559
Speaker 3: of the show. Look at him?

2496
01:52:55,600 --> 01:52:57,000
Speaker 2: Look at I like I like how this is a

2497
01:52:57,080 --> 01:53:00,599
Speaker 2: highlight reel and he's doing banded assisted pull ups. Okay,

2498
01:53:01,280 --> 01:53:03,400
Speaker 2: if you have to use rubber bands to help you

2499
01:53:03,479 --> 01:53:07,120
Speaker 2: on the on the pull up, stop filming. How about that?

2500
01:53:08,000 --> 01:53:09,680
Speaker 2: Why don't you drag a chair face?

2501
01:53:09,800 --> 01:53:11,880
Speaker 7: I'm getting Jay in the show, but I you know,

2502
01:53:11,960 --> 01:53:13,880
Speaker 7: I know how riled up it gets you.

2503
01:53:14,000 --> 01:53:16,880
Speaker 3: So I had to guilty pleasures. This is good.

2504
01:53:17,880 --> 01:53:20,840
Speaker 7: Chuck your second one, all right? Despite all my races?

2505
01:53:21,080 --> 01:53:23,360
Speaker 7: What the film? Just a rat in a cage?

2506
01:53:23,640 --> 01:53:25,320
Speaker 3: I think that was smashing pumpkins?

2507
01:53:25,600 --> 01:53:27,719
Speaker 7: That is correct. Can you name the name of the song?

2508
01:53:27,960 --> 01:53:29,640
Speaker 3: Wasn't it rat in a Cage? No?

2509
01:53:29,760 --> 01:53:32,160
Speaker 7: It was a bullet with butterfly That's right.

2510
01:53:32,240 --> 01:53:33,800
Speaker 3: God, I'm horrible with the titles. Man.

2511
01:53:33,880 --> 01:53:34,920
Speaker 7: Either way, you did get the band.

2512
01:53:35,640 --> 01:53:39,599
Speaker 6: I'll give it to you lt Number three, waiting for

2513
01:53:39,640 --> 01:53:42,120
Speaker 6: a sign to smash the silence with a brick of

2514
01:53:42,160 --> 01:53:43,040
Speaker 6: self control.

2515
01:53:45,000 --> 01:53:47,559
Speaker 3: Hmmm, oh my god, I can hear this in my head.

2516
01:53:51,080 --> 01:53:51,559
Speaker 3: What year?

2517
01:53:52,800 --> 01:53:54,720
Speaker 7: I believe top of my head? Let me look, yeah,

2518
01:53:54,800 --> 01:53:55,360
Speaker 7: ninety four.

2519
01:54:01,240 --> 01:54:06,439
Speaker 10: If you don't get this, green Day, Green Day, Green Day,

2520
01:54:07,200 --> 01:54:11,519
Speaker 10: hold on to smash the silence with the brick of

2521
01:54:11,680 --> 01:54:12,680
Speaker 10: self control.

2522
01:54:13,280 --> 01:54:14,800
Speaker 3: So that's that's the.

2523
01:54:14,720 --> 01:54:19,080
Speaker 2: One where he's talking to the shrink about the woman. No,

2524
01:54:19,280 --> 01:54:22,200
Speaker 2: that's I don't know the name of the song.

2525
01:54:22,439 --> 01:54:26,080
Speaker 6: She what you claimed was your favorite Green Day song

2526
01:54:26,120 --> 01:54:27,559
Speaker 6: on MK once, So I would.

2527
01:54:27,400 --> 01:54:29,639
Speaker 2: Have been it is it is, But I mean I'm

2528
01:54:29,680 --> 01:54:32,480
Speaker 2: not a big Green Day guy, So that's what chucking.

2529
01:54:33,240 --> 01:54:33,960
Speaker 3: All right, let's go.

2530
01:54:34,840 --> 01:54:37,440
Speaker 6: This land is mine, this land is free. I'll do

2531
01:54:37,560 --> 01:54:39,600
Speaker 6: what I want, but irresponsibly.

2532
01:54:39,920 --> 01:54:46,800
Speaker 3: That's BC's motto. This land is your land.

2533
01:54:47,720 --> 01:54:56,000
Speaker 4: No, oh man, this land is ring a bell like

2534
01:54:56,120 --> 01:54:58,480
Speaker 4: usually you catch like a little what year?

2535
01:54:59,080 --> 01:54:59,360
Speaker 3: This is?

2536
01:54:59,440 --> 01:55:01,520
Speaker 7: Nineteen ninety Oh?

2537
01:55:01,560 --> 01:55:07,000
Speaker 3: All right, so it was a little later, say a

2538
01:55:07,080 --> 01:55:08,160
Speaker 3: slip knot.

2539
01:55:08,800 --> 01:55:11,520
Speaker 6: That is incorrect. It was that it might have been

2540
01:55:11,520 --> 01:55:13,040
Speaker 6: too deep of a cut. It was Pearl Jam. It

2541
01:55:13,080 --> 01:55:16,200
Speaker 6: was their single, oh, nineteen ninety eight. Album Do the Evolution.

2542
01:55:17,040 --> 01:55:19,600
Speaker 3: Okay, I've never gotten that, Chuck.

2543
01:55:19,640 --> 01:55:23,360
Speaker 7: This one has audio, but here's your first punishment clip.

2544
01:55:36,440 --> 01:55:37,120
Speaker 3: Right, awesome.

2545
01:55:37,520 --> 01:55:39,600
Speaker 6: I saw you tweet something about Russell Wilson the other

2546
01:55:39,680 --> 01:55:40,560
Speaker 6: day and I was like.

2547
01:55:40,560 --> 01:55:44,000
Speaker 4: All right, they've succeeded even paying him, like what is

2548
01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:46,040
Speaker 4: a ninety million dollars of dead money or whatever? They

2549
01:55:46,120 --> 01:55:47,840
Speaker 4: still succeeded in the last couple of years. So in

2550
01:55:47,920 --> 01:55:50,200
Speaker 4: the end, it's like, good riddance and where.

2551
01:55:50,520 --> 01:55:52,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that did not work. It did not work. That

2552
01:55:53,040 --> 01:55:56,560
Speaker 3: was dude. That was a rough couple of years. That's right. Bro,

2553
01:55:56,840 --> 01:55:58,960
Speaker 3: Oh my god, dude, that hurts.

2554
01:55:59,640 --> 01:56:03,360
Speaker 6: LT Number four for you crack a smile and cut

2555
01:56:03,400 --> 01:56:05,400
Speaker 6: your mouth and drown in alcohol.

2556
01:56:07,600 --> 01:56:14,240
Speaker 7: Year uh pulling it up, the year was nineteen ninety six.

2557
01:56:19,680 --> 01:56:21,280
Speaker 3: Damn it. To cut your mouth part.

2558
01:56:21,320 --> 01:56:28,120
Speaker 2: I can hear it in the back of my head.

2559
01:56:30,440 --> 01:56:33,360
Speaker 3: What you're hearing is Ryan Campbell's Screaming movie. I know.

2560
01:56:33,480 --> 01:56:36,840
Speaker 3: Ryan Campbell is like, what the fuck? I don't know.

2561
01:56:37,080 --> 01:56:40,000
Speaker 3: I don't know any guests. You want to just I

2562
01:56:40,040 --> 01:56:41,160
Speaker 3: can hear it in my head.

2563
01:56:41,200 --> 01:56:42,640
Speaker 2: Once you tell me what it is, I bet you

2564
01:56:42,680 --> 01:56:44,480
Speaker 2: I can sing it exactly as it's gone.

2565
01:56:44,560 --> 01:56:48,440
Speaker 7: But I can't sound garden Burden.

2566
01:56:48,160 --> 01:56:50,520
Speaker 2: In my hands, Oh yeah, that's right, and can put

2567
01:56:50,520 --> 01:56:55,120
Speaker 2: it up again, crack a smile and cut your mild

2568
01:56:55,240 --> 01:56:56,680
Speaker 2: and brown and owl.

2569
01:56:57,840 --> 01:57:01,920
Speaker 7: That's a great song, great song. Your Punishment is an

2570
01:57:01,960 --> 01:57:03,680
Speaker 7: update on a UFC power couple.

2571
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Speaker 6: I don't know Poets Pracy Cortes did break up poetson

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01:57:08,840 --> 01:57:11,360
Speaker 6: then ran in the rain, you know, yelling trauma and

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Speaker 6: all this stuff.

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Speaker 2: But Chuck when I saw all this news break and

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01:57:14,360 --> 01:57:16,360
Speaker 2: he's running in the rain apparently from a breakup with

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01:57:16,400 --> 01:57:20,120
Speaker 2: this whole thing's all staged obviously, But I was on.

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01:57:20,240 --> 01:57:22,920
Speaker 2: I was I was on you know, winter vacation, and

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01:57:22,960 --> 01:57:24,880
Speaker 2: the first thing I thought was, oh man, BC's going

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Speaker 2: to have a field day.

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Speaker 3: Oh man, and everybody did.

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Speaker 4: Like all the headlines I saw all that day was like,

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Speaker 4: look at her new romance in MMA.

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Speaker 2: It's like, I want to be clear, idiots, I want

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01:57:36,960 --> 01:57:39,120
Speaker 2: to be clear. I don't care about their lives.

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01:57:39,280 --> 01:57:41,560
Speaker 3: I know, I don't. I don't care about them at all.

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Speaker 6: Then you got to get some of these questions right, Luke,

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Speaker 6: Number four for you could have been easier on you.

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Speaker 7: I couldn't change though I wanted to, Oh.

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Speaker 3: My god, I could hear this one in my head. God, damn,

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Speaker 3: who's this? Uh? Coo?

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Speaker 1: The bend?

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Speaker 3: Is is it a What year was it?

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Speaker 7: It was nineteen ninety five?

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Speaker 3: God, I can hear the song. I can't think of.

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Speaker 2: Right, all these songs you heard ten thousand times.

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Speaker 3: I don't nickelback. I don't know. No.

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Speaker 2: Is this like is this like a ive or something

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Speaker 2: a live or like sponge or something?

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Speaker 3: It is bush Listen, that's what it was. It could

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Speaker 3: have been here his boys, I could hear it. But

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Speaker 3: h chuck.

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Speaker 6: Your next punishment is you gotta watch your boy Jokic

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Speaker 6: hyper extended.

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Speaker 4: Ah, you have no idea how traumatic this is?

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Speaker 3: Table. I mean, let's be honest.

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Speaker 2: No one is happy or about that than Jokic himself.

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Speaker 2: Can we be honest about that?

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Speaker 4: He gets to coach, he gets to put on a

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Speaker 4: suit now. But dude, it's it's the scariest thought if

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Speaker 4: you're a if you're a Dimmer Nuggets fan, that's the

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Speaker 4: scariest possibility.

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Speaker 3: Is him going down?

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Speaker 7: Oh he is probably the best player right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: LT Last, but not least, the sky was gold. It

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Speaker 7: was rose. I was taking SIPs up into my nose. Correct,

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Speaker 7: you know the.

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Speaker 3: Sky was gold, it was Rose.

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Speaker 2: I was taking zips up into my nose and it's

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Speaker 2: the dud dude, semi.

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Speaker 4: Charmed life, semi charmed, big time fan over there.

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Speaker 6: All right, Chuck, last, but not least for you when

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Speaker 6: everything feels like the movies.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you bleed just to know you're alive.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you bleed just to know you're alive. Oh my god,

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Speaker 3: I know this. Yes, I just want you to know.

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Speaker 3: Is it the Goo Goo Dolls?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is the Google And it was Iris My

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Speaker 2: first my first girlfriend in high school loved that song.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't get her, but I would have

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Speaker 4: loved to have seen the punishment video those coming out.

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Speaker 3: You're hurting me pretty good there.

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Speaker 7: You want me to you want me to give you

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Speaker 7: another one? I got this man in the hat at

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Speaker 7: the Rockies game.

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Speaker 3: Dude, that's hilarious. They're just showing dudes hats getting decked.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if you know this power couple, but

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Speaker 6: to coda ditch of a Dalton Rosta.

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Speaker 7: Look at them celebrated. They went on a run together.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, I hope they have a great life. I

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Speaker 2: just don't care.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, it's all right, you know, look at them,

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Speaker 6: look at the happy pup.

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Speaker 2: I'm not hating, I'm not wishing ill I.

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Speaker 3: I just don't care.

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Speaker 6: I'm really curious what everyone thought of this segment, So

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Speaker 6: please let us know in the comments if you liked

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Speaker 6: it or not.

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Speaker 7: Either way, we'll probably have a new one by next show.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, we're gonna try tons of stuff. Tons of

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Speaker 2: stuff is coming your way. That's it, Chuck, that's it.

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Speaker 2: And Ronald thoughts here before we I mean, we did it.

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Speaker 2: That's kind of that's my final thought. I knew it

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Speaker 2: was gonna be fun, easy. It's good chemistry, and I

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Speaker 2: appreciate you guys making me so welcome here. Yeah, well listen,

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Speaker 2: you are welcome here. You are now the guy, and uh,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna have a great time. We're gonna have a

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Speaker 2: good year. Listen, no pay per views, earlier starts on

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Speaker 2: the pay per view or the numbered card. Main times,

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Speaker 2: I am excited about the year ahead. And honestly, as

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Speaker 2: I said before, the lack of Amtrak travel or total

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Speaker 2: lack of it, but the reduction in it is I

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Speaker 2: think going to save my soul.

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Speaker 3: Im Track may go out of business.

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Speaker 4: Man you were you were like their primary customer for

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Speaker 4: all these years.

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Speaker 3: This is you know what, that's my attitude. Let them burn.

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Speaker 2: You can follow the show on social in a lot

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Speaker 2: of different places. As we mentioned, there are Chucks socials, Chuck,

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Speaker 2: where do you want people? I get this question all

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Speaker 2: the time. Don't follow you on YouTube? On Twitter? How

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Speaker 2: do you describe where you would prefer people to give

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Speaker 2: you a follow up?

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Speaker 4: You know I should be more active on these social handles,

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Speaker 4: but I know you shouldn't. I can't stand being on

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Speaker 4: X anymore, but that's generally where I post. My stuff

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Speaker 4: is going to be there. I'm trying to be better

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Speaker 4: about it. But at Chuckman and Hall on Twitter X

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Speaker 4: is probably the best place. And I'm over at Uncrowned

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Speaker 4: at Yahoo and that's where all my work is usually there.

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Speaker 2: You have it, there's some stuff there below. You can

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Speaker 2: follow on the socials. You can follow my YouTube channel

2683
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Speaker 2: as well as Morning Combat. You can email the show

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Speaker 2: Morningcombat at gmail dot com, Long Island and I oh,

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Speaker 2: of course merch what can I say? Morningcombat dot shop,

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Speaker 2: Morningcombat dot Shop. This is going to be the January exclusive.

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Speaker 2: As you see, we have the posters as well as

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Speaker 2: now the limited edition tees. All let's just say stranger

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Speaker 2: things influence because we don't want them to have us

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Speaker 2: take any of the stuff down available until the end

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Speaker 2: of this month of January thirty first, at eleven fifty

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Speaker 2: nine pm East Coast time, and.

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Speaker 3: That is it.

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Speaker 2: That is the first show of the new era. Chuck,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for being a part of this experiment.

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Speaker 2: We're so excited to have you here. For everyone involved

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Speaker 2: on the show, thanks for having to make today possible

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Speaker 2: to all the MK fans. Cannot thank you enough for

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Speaker 2: being here, for being patient, and like I said, man,

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Speaker 2: I don't know what to promise you other than Max's effort,

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Speaker 2: but I honestly think we're going to have some great

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Speaker 2: times this year, and I'm glad that those of you

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Speaker 2: who are here or here and for those who stick around,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: We really appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: For Charles Iceman, Mendenhall, I'm Luke Thomas. We'll see you

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Speaker 2: guys on Friday, and until then, may all of your

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Speaker 2: gains be loyal