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Speaker 1: Oh hey, guys, welcome to this spinoff episode of The

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Speaker 1: Daily Zeitgeist. We're calling tentatively the Iconograph to show about icons.

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Speaker 1: My name is Jack O'Brien. I co founded the website

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Speaker 1: crack dot com, and for the past seven years I've

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Speaker 1: co hosted a daily show with the comedian Miles Gray

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Speaker 1: about the Zeitgeist. The News Ghost Spirit of the Times.

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Speaker 1: We cover what's happening in our shared consciousness through the

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Speaker 1: news and pop culture of today, and this spinoff version

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Speaker 1: will cover the zeitgeist through the people and characters who

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Speaker 1: don't make the news every day, but they exist in

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Speaker 1: our movies and on our bumper stickers and T shirts

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Speaker 1: and as reference points in our conversations. But yeah, one

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Speaker 1: of my criteria for whether someone deserves a TDZ icon

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Speaker 1: episode is whether you could dresses them for Halloween and

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Speaker 1: people would get it. One of the recurring questions I

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Speaker 1: want to ask in these episodes is if this icon

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Speaker 1: existed today in our reality, how likely would they be

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Speaker 1: to be on the Epstein flight logs, that sort of thing.

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Speaker 1: And in this episode we're talking about the stein Bert Einstein.

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Speaker 1: We're starting with a big one, genius, visionary, silly billy

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Speaker 1: rogue sex maniac. Next week, I think we have Erkele

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Speaker 1: That should give you a sense of the scope of

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Speaker 1: our inquiry here. But yeah, don't be fooled by the

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Speaker 1: subject matter of our first episode. It's a very stupid show. Still.

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Speaker 1: The format is simple. Each episode a different icon, Miles,

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Speaker 1: a guest, and me talking geist through the lens of

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Speaker 1: that icon. We will start with the stuff that is

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Speaker 1: part of the iconic image we all have of Einstein.

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Speaker 1: The picture of him sticking out his tongue, Where'd that

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Speaker 1: come from? Why was he doing that? He equals mc squared?

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Speaker 1: What that mean? The rumpled wild hair look, the myth

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Speaker 1: that he was a slow child, the quotes and misquotes

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Speaker 1: and made up quotes. And then we'll get into some

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Speaker 1: really interesting stuff from his life that didn't make it

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Speaker 1: into the myth that got rejected by the brand management

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Speaker 1: team that is all of us, because it didn't match

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Speaker 1: the image we wanted for Einstein. But we're hiring a

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Speaker 1: researcher to help with each one of these episodes. This

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Speaker 1: one was researched by Dave Ruse. Thank you, Dave, And yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll be back at the end to tell you some

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Speaker 1: stuff I missed from my notes in my No No

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Speaker 1: No notebook dump. But here I am talking to Miles

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Speaker 1: and Michael Swain about Albert Einstein and plenty of other stuff.

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Speaker 1: Hope you enjoy. I don't know if you know what

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Speaker 1: we're doing today, Victor, but we're talking about a little

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Speaker 1: guy by the name of Albert Einstein. Ever heard of them? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Walter math Owl's episode three. It just turns out. I'm

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Speaker 1: really into that movie Episode four, Meg Ryan, episode five,

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Speaker 2: Every time I think of Walter math Out, the image

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Speaker 2: and Dennis the Menace with the chick lit Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. Well yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Fucks up his dentures and brilliant idea to replace them

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Speaker 3: That's his proactive idea.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because he sucks up his dentures. Mister Wilson import

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Speaker 1: or whatever. Oh yeah, mister Wilson has always taking important

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Speaker 1: meetings the killer.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and then, uh, what's his face? Christopher Lloyd

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Speaker 2: plays like a crazy drift in it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was born to play. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think a flame goes up his butt or something

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Speaker 2: because he farts on a campfire.

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Speaker 1: There's something with him farting in fire anyway, Einstein? Are

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Speaker 1: we talking about CHRISTI?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Einstein.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people don't know that Einstein died by

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Speaker 1: farting on a campfire and the flame went off his

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Speaker 3: The apple hit his head. This was what inspired.

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Speaker 1: Beer blows his ass off.

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Speaker 2: This is so funny. There's a you account called fart Share.

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Speaker 1: This is how the Einstein episodes over the miles, linking

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Speaker 1: up famous fart scenes. Dennis the Menace. All right here,

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Speaker 1: we'll get into it. Hello the Internet, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: this very special episode of Turnilley Zeitgeist. Oh, which we

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Speaker 1: don't know what we're calling yet Iconograph. Maybe keep coming

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Speaker 1: back to Iconograph. Will figure it out and start of

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Speaker 1: looking at the zeitgeist through current events. We're looking at icons,

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Speaker 1: powerful pop culture hork froxes that are basically the stars

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Speaker 1: of our shared consciousness. I'm joined as always by my

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Speaker 1: co host, mister Miles Grind. Are we doing a rake?

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Speaker 4: Hi?

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Speaker 1: Yes? Hi?

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Speaker 2: It's interesting because I don't know what you're about to

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Speaker 2: tell me, so it's hard coming in cold. That's the

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Speaker 2: Sexy Facts.

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Speaker 1: Sexy Facts and Dennis the Menace Fart Conversations. Yes, Miles,

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Speaker 1: we're thrilled to be joined by the co host of

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Speaker 1: my very first podcast, the Crack podcast from the early

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Speaker 1: days of Cracked, back doing some very funny stuff at Cracked.

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Speaker 1: Very talented writer who back in back in those days

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Speaker 1: wrote one of my favorite science articles about like mind

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Speaker 1: here see if he could explain what any of this

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Speaker 1: ship means. He's the creator of the Small Beans podcast network.

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Speaker 1: It's Michael Swash.

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Speaker 4: Might I pitch Iconic Class? Do people say icon class class?

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Speaker 1: And you were going iconic Cast, but there's a Christian

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Speaker 4: To an icon speak of which we're going to hit.

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Speaker 4: One of the very first sketch related things me and

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Speaker 4: my primary partner over on my Small Beans comedy in print,

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Speaker 4: Abe Everson, also a big director at Crack. One of

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Speaker 4: the first things we ever did was like Jesus me,

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Speaker 4: it's hitler thing, which caused Rob Shrub, successful Hollywood comedian

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Speaker 4: Oh Yeah, to tell us to give up and quit.

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Speaker 4: And we're to pursue comedy and I understand what he

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Speaker 4: was really saying. Well, no, you shouldn't say that too

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Speaker 4: a young creative, but I've always been interested ever since

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Speaker 4: that horrible burn in my soul, in like your abe

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Speaker 4: of course as you age, thanks to outlets like Cracked

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Speaker 4: it makes you reflect on, like.

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Speaker 4: It's like an echo of an echo of a condensed,

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Speaker 1: I realized as I was because I did read like

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Speaker 1: a chunk of the Walter Isaacson Einstein biography or listened

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Speaker 1: But Einstein is the example that got me thinking about

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Speaker 1: there was a bumper sticker with an Einstein quote that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I feel like, don't people always

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Speaker 1: The definition where it's like that's the big thing Stein,

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Speaker 4: And interestingly, I think Einstein, I would venture to guess

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Speaker 1: Which is why you do multiple requirements. We do. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: He said, I'm going to fucking marry my cousin. Was

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Speaker 1: This only Einstein plays sex dice. This is my Einstein impression.

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Speaker 1: God plays no sex dice, only Einstein. But I just

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Speaker 1: and Einstein fucking loved it. He was like, yo, could

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Speaker 1: He was immediately spamming people with this photo. He was like,

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Speaker 1: like because it is aimed at all of humanity. The

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Speaker 4: He was almost funny for a second, and he's like,

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Speaker 4: let me explain the shit out of it.

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Speaker 1: You'll explain.

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Speaker 3: I know, here come those thousand words right now.

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Speaker 1: I do feel like the look is important art, and

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Speaker 4: There's a few things he intuited, and he's become more

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Speaker 4: Sorry, we are all made of stardust, as the Great

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Speaker 4: You just unlocked my memory of Oh yeah, that's the

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Speaker 4: But I used to frequently encounter the example, really slacking

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Speaker 1: Well, Einstein to see average. So so that's my next one.

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Speaker 1: That's my next thing that I knew. So I knew

438
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Speaker 1: the picture, I knew the image, I knew equals MC squared,

439
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 1: and I knew that Einstein was a slow childs right,

440
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 1: that's oh he was. That was the I remember learning

441
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 1: that in like eighth grade because I sucked in math,

442
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 1: and that was.

443
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Speaker 3: The way they would inspire you.

444
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,919
Speaker 1: I remember the room I was in like when I

445
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 1: learned that, because I was like, oh, hell yeah, there's

446
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:45,880
Speaker 1: a chance for there have hope. Yeah.

447
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 2: That was like when I learned like Tiger Woods is

448
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 2: black and Asian, and I went to a golf course

449
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, then here we go.

450
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 1: And no kids sport I'm good at. But yeah, So

451
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,919
Speaker 1: the thing that I think most people say is that

452
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 1: he was a late talker. Teachers dismissed him as slow.

453
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 1: One of the only contemporary accounts we have of him

454
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: as a baby was from his grandparents, who talked about

455
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 1: him as a well behaved child full of funny ideas,

456
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 1: Like when he was two and a half years old,

457
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 1: he was introduced to his little sister and he said, yes,

458
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 1: but where are the wheels, which was like, which was

459
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 1: a bit about like he thought he thought it was

460
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Speaker 1: going to be a toy or something. They were like,

461
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 1: and so he's like already doing misguided bits. Yeah, two

462
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Speaker 1: and a.

463
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,959
Speaker 3: Half which very like old comedy.

464
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 4: Early.

465
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Speaker 1: I know, they said he was a late talker, but

466
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Speaker 1: there's a contemporary account of him like making a joke,

467
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,199
Speaker 1: like an interesting a comic joke at two and a.

468
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Speaker 2: Half years That's what I'm saying, Like, how do you

469
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,719
Speaker 2: scare like if he because I you know, there are

470
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 2: people that that's like a sign of potential, like you know,

471
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 2: you have some kind of genius or something of late talker, right, yeah.

472
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and all that kind of thing. There is some

473
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 1: recollections from his parents that they were concerned. So one

474
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 1: of the anecdotes from him as a child is that

475
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: he would say the sentence that he was about to

476
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 1: say quietly to himself before he would say it out loud,

477
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 1: So he was like kind of weird. But he only

478
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 1: spoken full sentences, which is like this sign of like

479
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 1: the people I've met who like only speak in full

480
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,679
Speaker 1: sentences are usually like I'm like, oh, you're like on

481
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: a different level of just like yeah, just like really smart.

482
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,360
Speaker 1: So yeah, that also gave us the good Fella's character

483
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: Jimmy two times, who always says got to get the papers.

484
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: You know, that is based on Einstein. But yeah, there's

485
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 1: just like all these stories where it's like I don't

486
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: really buy that. Like he was like got the best

487
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 1: grades in his class, like in elementary school through high school,

488
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: then he went to college and basically was like I'm

489
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: doing my own thing on this, And that seems like

490
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 1: where this whole idea comes from other than and I

491
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: think this is another important part of like why he's

492
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 1: such a massive icon is he was one of the

493
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 1: people who said that like people thought he was dumb.

494
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 1: He was like doing the Drake started from the bottom.

495
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: Now we're here a thing like which when you think

496
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: about I keep my brain when I'm thinking about like

497
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: the biggest icons goes to Einstein and Michael Jordan, and

498
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 1: like if you remember, like Michael Jordan constantly talks about

499
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: how he got cut from his high school basketball team.

500
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 1: Like that's not really true, he got he just like

501
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: didn't make varsity when he was like a sophomore or something.

502
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 1: But I think there's an element of like self mythologizing,

503
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: like I think he was.

504
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 3: You tend to do that it works, Like.

505
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think it's that if you're this

506
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: level of icon, you have to have all of it.

507
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: You have to have like the amazing contributions. You have

508
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,719
Speaker 1: to have like a look or like something that like

509
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 1: people can like hang their brain on. And then I

510
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: think you also have to have a somewhat sense of

511
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: like building your own methoce and like how that Yeah,

512
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: like telling your story.

513
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 4: Because I think a lot of stories I learned from

514
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 4: my time I cracked about people where flies in the

515
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 4: face of what the story is, like gond to your mother, Teresa, Right,

516
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 4: it's like they're also master savvy, master marketers of their

517
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 4: own brand, and you're like, well.

518
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 3: Should they be right?

519
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 4: Is that everything was clicking. We're building an empire of

520
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 4: people love here.

521
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: I'm doing miracles over here, man. Yeah. And then there's

522
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: also just like stuff that like what once an image

523
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 1: is so powerful, like just everything else gets like written

524
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: out of it. Essentially. Other question I have, and this

525
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 1: is just like a mystery that I'm curious to get

526
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: your theories on, is I think that movies are kind

527
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: of the ultimate icon factories, or like they they're the

528
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: things that create meaning. They they create the official version

529
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: in people's share consciousness of like how a historical event

530
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:07,199
Speaker 1: went down, who a historical figure was. And it's weird

531
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: to me that he hasn't had a major movie made

532
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: about him. There's the movie IQ, which is another thing

533
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: that's like in my brain of Einstein, it's like, oh,

534
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 1: yeah he was. He co starred with Meg Ryan in

535
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: that movie, which posits the theory that Einstein's the ultimate

536
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: wingman is essentially like, is she the Niece's his niece? Yeah,

537
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: that's what I thought. I remember she's like uncle Albert,

538
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 1: And I'm like, you know, what fucked me up about

539
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: that movieh So I've talked before about this theory that

540
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: William Goldman has that there are some actors that we

541
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: can't accept any time except the present. His example was

542
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: Michael Douglas, Like Michael Douglass needs to be in the

543
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: eighties and like horny, And then they tried to put

544
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: him in a movie William Goldman wrote called Ghosts in

545
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: the Darkness and it didn't do well, even though it

546
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: tested really well. And his theory was, like, people just

547
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: can't have him be like a lion hunter from the past.

548
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: So I Q I had just assumed that it took

549
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: place in the present and that like Einstein, was like

550
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: this mystical figure, because like, I can't put Meg Ryan

551
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: in any other era like she needs she needs to

552
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: be in the nineties, like she she needs to be

553
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: in the present tense. I can't like make sense of her.

554
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: And even like watching the first bit of it, I

555
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: was like, she doesn't really it doesn't really work as

556
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: well for some reason.

557
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 3: That was a classic past though.

558
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: Yeahthing slick yeah, yeah, get in here, slick in his hair. Yeah.

559
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 2: I guess Meg Ryan has what they call now, they

560
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 2: call that iPhone face.

561
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the face of someone who's seen it, but

562
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,479
Speaker 1: she has the face of somebody who's, uh, I don't know,

563
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: logged onto and here or something. I guess my my question,

564
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: and it's not as weird. What Like the more I

565
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: thought about it, the more like there are scenes from

566
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: his life that make an incredible like it's like very cinematic.

567
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: First of all, the theory of relativity if you have

568
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: the right filmmaker could like make that kind of make

569
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: sense and like mind blowing. He was living by a

570
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: train track with a famous clock next to it as

571
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: he realized that like time is like and then used

572
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: that to like make sense of all the things. So

573
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: like it's it's the thing from the movie where you're

574
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: like pooling things from around you and then like illustrating

575
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: the shit. Like he literally had the like Agent Kuian

576
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: at the end of Usual Suspects thing where he was

577
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: like shaking time and then like he was also like

578
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: at the patent office like working on like synchronizing clocks

579
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: because that was like a big thing that needed to happen.

580
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: There's also a story brand the editor points out of

581
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: him watching a window fall and like that got him

582
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: interested in gravity. That one's probably apocryphal because he wasn't

583
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: a psychopath. He wasn't like, oh, I just watched the

584
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: guy fall off a roof, and now I'm curious about

585
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: they don't think that one actually happened. But like he

586
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: has all these things that are like cinematic ingredients. He

587
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: is a good movie character, Like he is this a

588
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: fuddle mess who like plays instruments and is like charming.

589
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: And by the way, just because we haven't tended to

590
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: picture a guy fucking doesn't mean he wasn't fucking. He

591
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: couldn't make a character in the movie. Like, I think

592
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: you're right that he's kind of like Yoda in our

593
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: mind now, But I mean.

594
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 3: Well, he's grandpapcorn.

595
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's Grandpa. I think he's like wise. But yeah,

596
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: as Superducer Victor points out, Yoda fucks Like in my

597
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: mind Yoda is.

598
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 4: We're very open to a flashback where the grandpapcoor character

599
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 4: is young and sexy now and we see them.

600
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: Fuck we do that, right any many characters? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

601
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: But my theory on why there hasn't been the big

602
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: Einstein movie is like, did you guys see Air, the

603
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: movie about the invention of the first that band playing? Right?

604
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,239
Speaker 1: Different thing but basically the way they treat Jordan is

605
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: as if he is. They just don't show his face.

606
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: It's almost like the Old Testament. Yeah, it's like the

607
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: Old Testament like treats God, where like if you look

608
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: at his face that it will like melt or something created.

609
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 3: George Stein.

610
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: Like, I feel like if you made a movie about Einstein,

611
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: I think there's a certain level of being so iconic

612
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: that if you make the movie, it just feels like cheapened.

613
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: And then like to your point, like the way he's

614
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: been used is like as this like all knowing wizard

615
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,479
Speaker 1: of everything smart. He's like Yoda mixed with Ironman. And

616
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: if you made a movie where he's not like literally

617
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,719
Speaker 1: conjuring the nuclear particles of physics with his hands, like

618
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: you're not going to like match what's in people's mind. Yeah.

619
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 2: I think it's also because so many people know just

620
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 2: enough about the dumb shit to give them the completely

621
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 2: wrong idea about me. Is that a movie would completely

622
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 2: go against all of that. Like, for example, I have

623
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 2: like the most superficial idea of Einstein. If he showed

624
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 2: me a trailer and he was like this complex person,

625
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 2: I'd be like, bro, I don't want to see this. Yeah,

626
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 2: like this guy is just the shorthand for me for

627
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 2: genius stuff. So I guess in that sense, but I

628
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 2: guess maybe that's why I need to know that he

629
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 2: was horny. And then I'm like, okay, well now maybe

630
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:34,719
Speaker 2: there's something. There's another reason.

631
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 4: Also interesting that our relationship, since we're talking zeitgeisten icons

632
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 4: to the because it feels to me like he's specifically

633
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,719
Speaker 4: smart or intelligent, and like D and D players will

634
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 4: know what I mean when I say someone else owns

635
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 4: like wisdom or like Abe Lincoln has honesty or whatever,

636
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 4: but like he owns smart and right, even though as

637
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,959
Speaker 4: we're describing, it's more that he was high galaxy brains,

638
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 4: but he owns my whole life. He's owned like smart

639
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 4: and right because he's smart. And what's interesting is actually,

640
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 4: since I was a kid, we've changed our overall relationship

641
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 4: with smart. We know disdain smart people and things for

642
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 4: many of us don't think smart is bullshit and fake, right, right, guys, Yeah, yeah,

643
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 4: interesting when your brand is thousands of years long, as

644
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 4: his will surely be. I always think of going back

645
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 4: to Beethoven and telling him, you know, like you don't

646
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 4: have to be a what mass food is, and then

647
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 4: that this fried chicken place is beaming his jingle he

648
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 4: wrote into space to sell fried chicken. Like anything like

649
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 4: that is so trippy to me.

650
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the misquotes are a good example,

651
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: a good way of illustrating what you're talking about, because yeah,

652
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: like I've heard him misquoted by science people, religious people,

653
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Speaker 1: people who hate making the same mistakes twice. I guess,

654
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Speaker 1: like basketball fans, people who hate education, smart people, atheist democrats, Republicans,

655
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Speaker 1: Like I don't think there's anyone else like that. I

656
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: feel like there's nobody else who is just like it

657
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 1: used as an authority on like fucking everything, like across

658
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Speaker 1: the board. Everyone's just like, yeah, but that's Einstein, And

659
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Speaker 1: if he said that, then we're right on this one.

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Speaker 1: Mark another one up for the people who hate making

661
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Speaker 1: the same mistake twice.

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Speaker 4: But I think there's people who like these are the

663
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Speaker 4: kinds of people that mostly get when the quote is misattributed.

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Speaker 3: It's usually in the form of an image.

665
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Speaker 4: Macro right, is what we're thinking about, like the Facebook's

666
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 4: curly cue text and a black and white image of

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Speaker 4: the person. And I feel like I'm I see a

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Speaker 4: lot of Churchill's still gets play in this.

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Speaker 1: Churchilli gets some play.

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Speaker 4: Yeah for sure, where it's like it must be right

671
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Speaker 4: because they said it, I'm trying to link into Lincoln.

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Speaker 1: Is like, well, if he said it Mark Twain also,

673
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Speaker 1: I said yeah, yeah, Twain gets that. See. And Einstein

674
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: was in many ways cosplaying as Mark Twain, so he

675
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Speaker 1: knew he was intentionally making himself iconic.

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Speaker 4: Car but only on the liberal side. It's like if

677
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Speaker 4: George Carlin said it, you're a fucking square if you

678
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 4: don't vibe with that magic.

679
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Speaker 1: And the Republicans just take Carling quotes and be like Einstein,

680
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: Bill said that offhandedly to me or something. You never

681
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: see a man taking a ship running at full speed Einstein, Einstein,

682
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Speaker 1: I just some better quotes than the ones that are

683
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: out there. Of God doesn't play dice. And the definition

684
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: of stupidity is making the same mistake twice. When he

685
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Speaker 1: was first struck by scientific wonder, so this is him

686
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Speaker 1: seeing a needle respond to the invisible magnetic force in

687
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Speaker 1: a compass, and it occurred to him that something deeply

688
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: hidden had to be behind things. That's something that occurred

689
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 1: when he was four five.

690
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 4: Surely figured that one out, but he doesn't really exist

691
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 4: stand in for he is going to the list for

692
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 4: can't be wrong.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, luck.

694
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Speaker 1: And then like as he was taking the patent clerk job,

695
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: he had like something dismissive to say. Somebody was like,

696
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: this job's really boring, you don't want it, and he

697
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: was like, some people think everything's boring. I'm never bored

698
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,439
Speaker 1: and like it just like his fascination with everything, It's

699
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: not as pithy, but it like cuts to what I

700
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Speaker 1: think is the takeaway from him is that he was

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Speaker 1: just like constantly engaged, constantly like fascinated with everything around him,

702
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: constantly like reading, learning. So Walter Isaacson like has this

703
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: like Genius trilogy or whatever where he's like written about

704
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: Steve Jobs and Albert Einstein, and I think he has

705
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Speaker 1: like a very American author like individualism point of view.

706
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Speaker 1: But even like in his biography, like Einstein's constantly like

707
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Speaker 1: making groups of friends around him who are like the

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Speaker 1: people who are like minded and are curious about the

709
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Speaker 1: same stuff, and so like he is like building this

710
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Speaker 1: world of community, which I think gets written out of

711
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 1: a lot of like how we think about him. Walter

712
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: Isacson keeps being like he's this lone wolf, but like

713
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: constantly when he's like coming to these conclusions, he's just

714
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: like working with his smartest, craziest friends and like talking

715
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Speaker 1: with them and like bouncing ideas off of them, and

716
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 1: like talking into the early hours of the night and shit.

717
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Speaker 4: Oh well, so the Newton quote, if I've seen farts

718
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 4: because I stood on the shoulders of giants, I feel

719
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 4: like it's going to come on. That's another thing, is

720
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 4: like you can't just be good at marketing. If you're

721
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 4: an icon, you definitely have to be comfortable with absorbing

722
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Speaker 4: the credit of whole teams of people into your nstorical legacy,

723
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 4: because no one actually does this stuff without bouncing it

724
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,919
Speaker 4: off their friends and stuff. But sorry, I just got

725
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 4: to tell this one because maybe you can say whether

726
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 4: it's true or false. But there's a phrase, if you're bored,

727
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 4: then you're boring, you unlocked. Like a core childhood memory

728
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 4: of the anecdote my dad would tell us about Einstein

729
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 4: was that he thought of the theory of cosmological constant

730
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Speaker 4: while looking at the clock on the wall in school,

731
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 4: wishing that it would go faster so the day would

732
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Speaker 4: end being bored, and then slowly musing on the idea

733
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Speaker 4: that it's actually later than it looks like, because it

734
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 4: takes some amount of time for the photons to reach

735
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Speaker 4: your eye turn into a brain signal, and for me

736
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Speaker 4: to know what time it is. And then he extrapolated

737
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Speaker 4: that out to the general theory of relativity, probably totally

738
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 4: like copping down the cherry tree just to store whole shit. No,

739
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 4: he's so illustrational to me, just the illustration that that

740
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 4: story gives of, Like the universe is it's a miracle,

741
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 4: there's even anything versus nothing. There's no real reason to

742
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 4: be bored per se.

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Speaker 1: Right, he has said many things that was like, basically

744
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,280
Speaker 1: I was just constantly like I had the same questions

745
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: as everyone else. I just stuck with them longer and

746
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: like a lot of the questions that he ended up

747
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: solving with his like Great series were things that first

748
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: occurred to him when he was like twelve, Like he

749
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: had this vision of himself riding a beam of light.

750
00:39:58,600 --> 00:39:59,959
Speaker 1: I was like, what would the rest of the world

751
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: looked like to me as I'm riding a beam of light?

752
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: And he answered that a decade later after like getting

753
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: his like while getting his doctorate, by the way. His

754
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: PhD had nothing to do with his like big discoveries.

755
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: It was just like a thing. He was like, Fuck,

756
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:16,919
Speaker 1: I need to get a PhD so people will start

757
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,439
Speaker 1: calling me doctor. It'll be good for the brand essentially. Uh.

758
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: And so he got a PhD. His doctoral thesis was

759
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: on viscosity and it ended up being something that like

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Speaker 1: people used to this day, like engineers have used throughout

761
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Speaker 1: the twentieth century. And it was just like kind of

762
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Speaker 1: a thing. He tossed off, throw away PhD. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

763
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Speaker 4: I love that the whole slime industry is built on

764
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:41,280
Speaker 4: this paper.

765
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think they said dairy. It's like

766
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 1: a lot of doors.

767
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Speaker 4: You know who gets it, Ben Franklin and Ben Franklin,

768
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 4: Edison where you go and he invented this and that

769
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Speaker 4: and that and this and that and this and this

770
00:40:58,600 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 4: and that, And you're.

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Speaker 1: Like, yeah, are you sure?

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00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 3: I don't.

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00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, let's take a quick break. We'll be right back,

774
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: and we're back. So I do want to get to

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00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: the question that we want to ask of all of

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00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: our icons. In a hypothetical universe where this person was

777
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: existing in the modern news cycle, would he have been

778
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: on the Epstein flight logs. Would would he have express.

779
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 4: Taking credit for many who will remain faceless and absorbing

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00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 4: their story into his own.

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00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I will say, like a lot of the

782
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: things people you know that if you dig a little

783
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: bit deeper, people are like Einstein was kind of a freak.

784
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: He married his cousin.

785
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 3: Did you see that tongue out?

786
00:41:55,239 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: That's not a political established sending a signal? Right there.

787
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 3: We know he wasn't a groomer.

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00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: We know that. So he married the only woman in

789
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: his college physics program. They had two children, and then

790
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: he divorced her and married his cousin.

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00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 3: Was that after he became like a rock star.

792
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,919
Speaker 1: Yes, it was like, as he was becoming a rock star,

793
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: he married his cousin.

794
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 4: The archis of course classic that you get rich and

795
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 4: famous and you trade up your spouse.

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00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 3: But I love it, like just waiting for the clout

797
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 3: to marry that hotcomer.

798
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 2: Also she should have known. She's like, I was the

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Speaker 2: only woman in the class, and yeah, find you, let's go.

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00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, you'll keep my seat warm.

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00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: This is a weird I looked up how common is

803
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: it to marry your cousin? And you're googling that book? No,

804
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: google a list. I google that every day just to

805
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: see what the latest numbers are. To be fair, I've

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00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: met your cousin. He's really yeah, he's the best. Uh.

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00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 1: Slightly over ten percent of all marriages worldwide are estimated

808
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: to be between second cousins or closer or closer damn

809
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: second or closer? Was his second or second his was first?

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00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 1: In like multiple places.

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Speaker 3: It's like.

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00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: It was a It was a real tangled web. The

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00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 1: overall rate appears to be declining, says Wikipedia on the

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Speaker 1: Wikipedia page cousin marriage.

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Speaker 4: The guy had compiled that day, which is.

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00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: Right, But I also think maybe not that uncommon at

817
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Speaker 1: the time. I guess, because you know, it's ten percent

818
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: now and it's declining.

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to factor in people who get married without

820
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Speaker 4: realizing that they're distant cousins. But I guess that wouldn't

821
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Speaker 4: make it into this data set because now, no, right,

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Speaker 4: so these are the people who are like, yes, sir.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, goddamn right, I did Oh gross, second cousins. No,

824
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Speaker 1: my first cousins.

825
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:02,760
Speaker 3: Provable cousin marriages.

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Speaker 1: Wait, but did they have kids? They didn't have kids? Right,

827
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Speaker 1: they didn't have kids. She already had daughters but there

828
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: is like some question as to whether he as he

829
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Speaker 1: was about to marry his cousin, started wondering if he

830
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: should marry his cousin's daughter. But like, there's there's a

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Speaker 1: smart have I mentioned that, very incredibly smart. He had

832
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Speaker 1: affairs constantly, So this is this is one of those

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00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 1: things where you're like, oh, you don't say uh. He

834
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Speaker 1: had this theory on monogamy that it wasn't a natural

835
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Speaker 1: state of man or a woman, and didn't feel particularly

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00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: guilty about sleeping around. Also didn't seem to mind when

837
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Speaker 1: like his wife had a relationship with somebody else. Was

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00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: kind of just a freak like that, you know. So

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Speaker 1: after general relativity was proven in nineteen nineteen, Einstein became

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Speaker 1: an international celebrity. Women through themselves at him. One scientist

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00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: friend said that I Einstein attracted women like a magnet

842
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: attracts filings.

843
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 3: Or like filings attracted.

844
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Speaker 1: Elegant women would show up to show up at Einstein's

845
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: house at night, whisk him away, and return him in

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Speaker 1: the morning. Einstein didn't complain. So my theory is, and

847
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Speaker 1: now I'm not going to say this with full confidence,

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Speaker 1: I don't think Einstein would be on the flight logs

849
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: for the same reason that like Mick Jagger wasn't you know,

850
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Speaker 1: like they didn't necessarily need to be constantly having He

851
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: didn't need help, You didn't need the help. Yeah, it's more.

852
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 4: Like a Ben Franklin, where by all accounts you're like, yeah,

853
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 4: he fucked around and everyone knew he fucked around, and

854
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 4: he was like, I'm rich and famous, I'm going to

855
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 4: fuck around. If you can't get with that Franklin baby,

856
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 4: something a little better than being on the island. I

857
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 4: don't think he'd be on the locks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's also I think also based on

859
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 2: how Epstein was around scientist, he'd probably be like, Dude,

860
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 2: I can't be around this fucking guy.

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Speaker 1: He keeps telling me about fucking science. Yeah, any other

862
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: things that you guys know about him before I get

863
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: to like some of the stuff that gets written out

864
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 1: of his story that I don't think has like made

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00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: it into his iconography that I think is pretty cool

866
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: and should be in the movie if we ever get it.

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Speaker 1: No interrupting is my natural state.

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Speaker 3: Ready to go?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I fucking rang the rag dry up top when

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Speaker 1: I say yeah, all right, First of all, just a

871
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 1: weird like nature nurture thing. He was born in Ulm, Germany,

872
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: and in a very clever bit of German wordplay, Ulm's

873
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: motto is omentuska, which it just means Olm people are mathematicians,

874
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 1: so which you would be like, that's crazy, like is

875
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: there something in the water. But he moved out of

876
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: there pretty quickly, so his dad was like a mathematician.

877
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 1: And so I don't know, on the on the shoulders

878
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: of matimati kai maybe like the other thing, just the

879
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: high job I think is incredibly important, like the fact

880
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: that he was able to just work and like put

881
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: all this shit together, like as he was like applying

882
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: to all these academic positions where if he had gotten those,

883
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: they would have had him working on whatever their priorities were.

884
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: So I think just like this young genius who you know,

885
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: was constantly smoking and just not able to keep track

886
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 1: of anything, would make a pretty good movie. And then

887
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: the other thing is that he was a democratic socialist

888
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,399
Speaker 1: his whole life, which I think just gets written out

889
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: of it because you know, we don't like those in

890
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: the mainstream and so like that's not a thing that

891
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 1: people really think about. But he was first of all

892
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: faced a bunch of anti Semitism. And that's like continued

893
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: where people refer to like relativism as like a Jewish

894
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: perspective and like a hallmark of like the Semitic wave.

895
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Speaker 3: He squared, Yeah, what.

896
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: The I hear that?

897
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 2: The craziest shit to be, Like, I don't know, man, energy,

898
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Speaker 2: Really you.

899
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Speaker 1: Might say it like he might have had to get

900
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: that high job because of anti Semitism. So I'm just saying, guys,

901
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: don't knock it. No, I'm not saying that. But after

902
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 1: his experience as a Jew and fascist Germany, he refused

903
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: to stay silent when he saw injustices perpetrated In the

904
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 1: United States, the treatment of black Americans was particularly appalling

905
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Speaker 1: to Einstein. In nineteen thirty one, he published editorials criticizing

906
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 1: the notorious Scottsboro Boys trial. In forty six, he told

907
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: the graduating class of Lincoln University, which is the oldest

908
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 1: historically black college in the US, the separation of colored

909
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: people from white people in the United States is not

910
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: a disease of colored people. It's a disease of white people.

911
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: I don't tend to be quiet about it. Did he

912
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: actually say that? Though? That is from a speech after

913
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: he was famous, so Mark Twain, Yeah, that's right. And

914
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: then Princeton was de facto segregated as a town, and

915
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: in nineteen thirty seven, Marion Anderson played a concert in

916
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: Princeton was denied a room at the local inn, and

917
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: he invited her to stay at his home and they

918
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: became close friends. And then when W. E. B. Du

919
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: Boys was put on trial as a foreign agent during

920
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,760
Speaker 1: the Red Scare of the fifties, he volunteered to testify

921
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: as a character witness. And when the judge was like,

922
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: fucking Einstein's going to testify, he dismissed the case. Oh

923
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: that's amazing.

924
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 4: Oh shit, fucking was already working for you, because that

925
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 4: he knew. Because again, like one of the one I

926
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 4: always think about is Bobby Fisher, who, if people don't know,

927
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 4: was was the best chess player ever. And think of that,

928
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 4: like if that's all you are, that's your that's your

929
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 4: eye kinic thing. And there's this if you see him

930
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 4: in documentaries, he's so narcissistic and so into himself, his

931
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:12,479
Speaker 4: own myth, and it's it's like, let's play badminton, mother,

932
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 4: Like all you do is such a niche thing. You

933
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 4: gotta calm him down, or that's why everyone needs humility, right,

934
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 4: that's why there's no such thing as a trillionaire that

935
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Speaker 4: deserves to be because life is short and there's no

936
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 4: way you can master everything and accomplish everything. People who

937
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 4: say they did are lying. So it's just like very

938
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Speaker 4: funny to me that a judge would be like Einstein objected.

939
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Speaker 3: I can't say you're wrong, Einstein.

940
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Speaker 5: But it's just am I gonna say, it's so funny

941
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Speaker 5: that they got Lostein?

942
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Speaker 1: But my is so.

943
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 2: That the myth is so large that in illegal proceeding,

944
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 2: the judge is like, dude, exactly, the fact that you're

945
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:02,720
Speaker 2: even gonna pull up with Albert Einstein? That's yeah, man, maybe, yeah, fine,

946
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 2: you're not a communist.

947
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Speaker 3: Did you even see the car accident? Einstein?

948
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Speaker 5: No?

949
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 3: But accidents involved physics. That's true. That's fair, sir. I'm sorry, sir, sorry.

950
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: Are you calling me a liar? No? God, Jesus Christ, dude,

951
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,399
Speaker 1: no never, never, never, You're right?

952
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 3: Should I called Jesus Christ?

953
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 1: You're a little girl. I actually have his number, just

954
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 1: a complete idiot's idea of by.

955
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:29,879
Speaker 3: Know each other.

956
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: He probably knows no him, he call Jesus on me

957
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 1: as for how amara. So that's you know, how he

958
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: felt about America, and like as for how America felt

959
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:42,399
Speaker 1: about him. So he and Elsa, his cousin wife, left

960
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 1: Germany in nineteen thirty two came to America. Hitler was

961
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: named chancellor in nineteen thirty three, so he got out

962
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: just in time. There was opposition against welcoming Einstein as

963
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 1: an American citizen. The American Legion and a group called

964
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: the Women Patriot Corporation lodge complaints with the State Department,

965
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: accusing Einstein of being a Communist. Not even Stalin himself

966
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: was affiliated with so many communist groups, they said, and

967
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: American religious leaders denounced his theories as atheistic and immoral.

968
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: And then the FBI, who, as we know, always on

969
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: the right side of things, the FBI immediately started keeping

970
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 1: a file on Einstein and his subversive activities. When he

971
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: died in nineteen fifty five, his FBI file was one thousand,

972
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: four hundred and twenty seven pages long, and just what

973
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 1: just a list of all these like women he was

974
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: banging with something probably probably a lot of compromant.

975
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 4: Hey, I think I figured out that gravity is, you know,

976
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 4: emergent from the actual curvature space time. You can think

977
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 4: of it as almost like a blanket with weighted balls

978
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 4: on it. I'm watching you, Einstein.

979
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 5: Sound communists about to knock that shit off signed guys

980
00:52:59,040 --> 00:52:59,720
Speaker 5: to this guy.

981
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: Watch knock that shit off, but which they investigated claims,

982
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: including that he was a Russian spy when he lived

983
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: in Berlin, that he was organizing a communist takeover of Hollywood.

984
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: They were so worried about that one. He was working

985
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 1: on a death ray, like truly like six year old shit.

986
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,439
Speaker 1: But I do think like the FBI really like, as

987
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,760
Speaker 1: we're working through different icons, like having a long FBI

988
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: rap sheet is like kind of that that is a

989
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: helpful right ingredient. He was Also he was a pacifist.

990
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,439
Speaker 1: He was really like, you know, I think the movie

991
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: Oppenheimer does cover this part, so I'm not going to

992
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: go too far into it. But he wrote a letter

993
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 1: to a FDR being like, we think the Germans might

994
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 1: be looking into using you know, this approach to an

995
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:49,760
Speaker 1: atomic weapon. So like they used that letter to justify

996
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 1: the Manhattan Project and he felt really, uh, you know,

997
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: fucked up about that for the rest of his life

998
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: and called it the biggest mistake of his life and

999
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 1: then like was really heavily involved and like anti nuclear

1000
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 1: proliferation throughout the course of his life. And then I

1001
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: will just say the image we associate him with is

1002
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: old Einstein. All the great theories came out from twenty

1003
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 1: six to like mid thirties, essentially, like I think a

1004
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: thing that you see with people who gained that much

1005
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:22,919
Speaker 1: fame and attention, they're given power to, like, as we've seen,

1006
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,240
Speaker 1: like be smart about everything, and like for the last

1007
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: part of his scientific career he was like kind of

1008
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: wrong about a lot of stuff. Like his early theories

1009
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: were incredible, but he was like kind of wrong about

1010
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: quantum stuff. But like it was that was stuff that

1011
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: like kind of came later. So I just like when.

1012
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 4: Seby lose him, you have your career and then you

1013
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 4: slowly fall out of and other people have to pick

1014
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 4: a the torch.

1015
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 3: He's just like anyone else in Marrigan.

1016
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like ja rule. As you pointed out early on, Michael,

1017
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: like the thing that drove his theory was like kind

1018
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 1: of pooling all these things and being like a unified

1019
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: theory of the universe. And then along comes quantum mechanics

1020
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: and is like, actually this like behaves completely differently, and

1021
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: he was like, I don't know in my experience.

1022
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 4: Well that you don't know, And of course is like,

1023
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:19,800
Speaker 4: well the professor from Futurama as a big one point,

1024
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 4: but it is true, is like, it's highly likely that

1025
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 4: we're not shaped right to fully comprehend everything about the

1026
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 4: universe because we wouldn't need to be to survive within

1027
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:34,320
Speaker 4: its womb. Uh So it might literally be like certain things.

1028
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 4: It might be true that you can imagine things that

1029
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 4: can't exist. You can imagine time travel but it's not possible.

1030
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 4: Or you could imagine knowing everything, but that's not really

1031
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 4: a valid question.

1032
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: In a way that we'll never even be able to comprehend.

1033
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 3: Why what do you mean?

1034
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 4: It's not a bad question, it doesn't matter. It's all

1035
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 4: above your pay grade. Like I think the professor says

1036
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 4: something like science never ends. Yeah, whether that's good or bad,

1037
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 4: we're still very very far from well that's that what we're.

1038
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, yeah, closed. I will say he died.

1039
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 1: He died from a birthday order on April eighteenth, nineteen

1040
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: fifty five, at seventy six. And I'm just saying, if

1041
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: he was so smart about science, heart science.

1042
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 2: That's how you know he wouldn't be in the Epstein

1043
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 2: files because he would have lived a lot longer. Probably true,

1044
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 2: way too.

1045
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: Died way too young. Einstein was stabbed in the back

1046
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 1: to death. It was all a suicide that pierced with

1047
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: a dagger. On the levels of relative iconography, I'll say

1048
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 1: I think he's like near the top of the list. Tear, Yeah, yeah,

1049
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: I think he's the I think he's really like I'll

1050
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: put it this way, Michael Jordan is the most iconic

1051
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: person of I think my lifetime as far as the

1052
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: like us shared consciousness goes. And there's an actor named

1053
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:00,359
Speaker 1: Michael B. Jordan. He just added an initial and that

1054
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: was another.

1055
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 3: We were like, we'll take yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1056
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 1: Albert Brooks had to change his whole lass name. His

1057
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,720
Speaker 1: name was Albert Einstein. He changed it to Brooks because

1058
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: that's how powerful Albert Einstein is. Is that like you

1059
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: couldn't even couldn't be like Albert D. Einstein. People be like,

1060
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: what the fuck up? Yeah, piece of shit? Thank you

1061
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: guys for joining us. Oh yes, Michael sway, yeah, is

1062
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Speaker 1: there where can people find you? Follow you? All that

1063
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1064
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1067
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Speaker 4: who's the Cylon, and I'm guessing in real time and

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Speaker 4: all that kinds of stuff. It's really fun but we

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Speaker 4: do tons of stuff, mostly deep readings of film, television,

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Speaker 4: and video games.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. Yeah, it's a great it's a

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Speaker 1: great network. Everybody should go.

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Speaker 4: So sorry, sorry, because you guys got a great audience

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Speaker 4: and people always roll through.

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Speaker 1: So I did want to say.

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Speaker 4: My very last video on Cracks that came out a

1092
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 4: couple months ago was a two hour, feature length, fully

1093
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 4: scripted crack style essay bit on the entire history of

1094
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 4: Groundskeeper Willie that involved me ingesting and cutting apart and

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Speaker 4: reassembling all thirty two seasons of The Simpsons.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's one of the its.

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Speaker 4: It's like a movie I made real and I already

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Speaker 4: knew I was getting fired. I just did it for

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Speaker 4: the fans to have something cool to go out on.

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Speaker 4: So go check out my exhaustive two hour video about groundskeeper.

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Speaker 1: Really, and I think we can all safely say fuck

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Speaker 1: cracked again. Were glad to say that again? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it won't impact me financially. Well, that sounds amazing and

1104
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Speaker 1: everybody should go subscribe to small Beans, great network, so

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Speaker 1: much funny content coming out over that.

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Speaker 3: Whoever started it should be run out of town on

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Speaker 3: a rail.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, ashole all right, that was fun. That was fun,

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Speaker 1: you guys, Here is the stuff some things I missed.

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Speaker 1: This is no, no, no, no, notebook don't that was perfect.

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01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 1: We should just clip that and use that over and

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Speaker 1: over again, maybe add some sound effects. We don't have

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01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: sound drops just yet. We're remarkably ill prepared for this

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Speaker 1: new version of this show. We don't even have a

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Speaker 1: dang title. All right, here's some stuff I found interesting

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01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: that I couldn't remember to bring up while talking to

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01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: Michael and Miles. The definition of insanity line. We talked

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Speaker 1: about that a lot, But the origin I think history

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01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: dot Com I found the origin. So the line the

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Speaker 1: definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and

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01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 1: over again and expecting different results has also been wrongly

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Speaker 1: attributed to Benjamin Franklin. So I think we talked about

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Speaker 1: how there is just like a group of smart guy

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Speaker 1: icons that we're just like, yeah, say he said it.

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Speaker 1: But the ultimate quotable Einstein, an authoritative compilation of his

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Speaker 1: most memorable utterances, identified the quote as a misattribution and

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01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 1: mentioned its use in the nineteen eighty three novel Sudden

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Speaker 1: Death by Rita may Brown. This is a sort of

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Speaker 1: Roman novel about a professional tennis player, and for some

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Speaker 1: reason they wanted to say Einstein said that thing. Also

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Speaker 1: worth noting a paperback from the eighties. I think it

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Speaker 1: was like a spy novel gave us the historic myth

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Speaker 1: that ick bienign Berliner means I'm a donut. Those paperbacks

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Speaker 1: were just making shit up in the eighties and we

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Speaker 1: were gobbling it down. Just talking about Einstein's servant looks

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Speaker 1: the sloppy genius vibe. Something I've noticed. My son plays

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Speaker 1: a lot of chess, and like a lot of the

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Speaker 1: big chess players have this like really messy chess hair,

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Speaker 1: not chess hair, messy hair that is called chess hair.

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Speaker 1: That I have to think if Einstein just had like

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Speaker 1: a neatly cropped fade or like a butt cut, that

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Speaker 1: that's what they'd be rocking Einstein, messy bitch. I don't

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Speaker 1: have all the quotes, but all these scientists is one

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Speaker 1: thing you get from the biography about him is like

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Speaker 1: all these scientists were just constantly writing letters back and

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Speaker 1: forth and just ethering each other all the time, and

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01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 1: he was known to do that in a very friendly way.

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Speaker 1: One o the things so instead of the he was

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01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: a slow witted child anecdote that doesn't seem to be

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Speaker 1: particularly true. One cool thing that I think we could

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Speaker 1: take from his early life is that he was a

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Speaker 1: huge sci fi reader. He devoured popular science writing of

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Speaker 1: the late nineteenth century, so you know, nerd alert, but

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Speaker 1: also just so much science fiction, which I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a cool thing to tell kids who

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Speaker 1: want to think I'm a little like Einstein in many ways.

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Speaker 1: I think the image of him writing a Beam of Light.

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Speaker 1: He said that he was at least partially inspired by

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Speaker 1: science fiction writing because they knew that light had a

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Speaker 1: speed and wrote some interesting thought experiments and stories about that,

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Speaker 1: which also the importance of sci fi in leading to

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Speaker 1: scientific discovery and like shaping scientific imagination and creative thinking.

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Speaker 1: A little anecdote related to that, China believed so much

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Speaker 1: in that idea that like that there was a point

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Speaker 1: where they were like, we're not making as much scientific

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01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 1: progress in our labs as we would like. And due

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Speaker 1: to finding out that like a lot of these scientific

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Speaker 1: geniuses were huge sci fi readers, they created a prize

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Speaker 1: for like basically an X prize, but ours was for

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01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 1: just like spaceflight. Theirs was for like trying to get

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Speaker 1: sci fi writing going that famous book The Three Body

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Speaker 1: Problem as a result of that effort. But yeah, I

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Speaker 1: have to think anecdotes like Einstein was a sci fi nerd,

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Speaker 1: probably helped that happen. And then speaking of China, I

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Speaker 1: should say that and I learned this kind of after

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Speaker 1: we started recording. Not uniformly great on the racism stuff.

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Speaker 1: He was, you know, vocally against anti black in America,

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Speaker 1: but in Hong Kong, Einstein wrote the following, even those

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Speaker 1: reduced to working like horses never give the impression of

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Speaker 1: conscious suffering. A peculiar herd like nation, often more like

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Speaker 1: automatons than people. And then he further opined on the

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Speaker 1: character of the people he saw in China. No Einstein

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Speaker 1: stop opining. He said that people were industrious, filthy, and obtuse,

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Speaker 1: and expressed disdain for the way the Chinese don't sit

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Speaker 1: on benches, blah blah blah, just like a bunch of stupid,

1186
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 1: wrongheaded shit, which I think gets to the point we

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Speaker 1: were talking about about sort of expertise drift where you're

1188
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 1: like told you're smart and write about everything, and then

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Speaker 1: you start popping off about things like the essential character

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Speaker 1: of some people. You saw out the window of a

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01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 1: tour bus. We see it with actors who like look

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01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 1: cool in movies and are like, I should be the

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01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 1: lead singer of a band. And then lastly, a question

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Speaker 1: that we didn't really get to, but I had this

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Speaker 1: in my mind as I was heading into the episode,

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Speaker 1: is like, why haven't there been more Einstein's? Like why

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Speaker 1: where have all the Einstein's gone out? And like one

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Speaker 1: theory is that I probably believe more than others is

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Speaker 1: just like he is that dude, he like, you know,

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Speaker 1: these geniuses happen once every hundred years, Galileo Newton, Einstein.

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01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 1: And then partly I think he also had the trappings

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Speaker 1: of an icon and was like willing to do the

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01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 1: light self mythologizing that I talked about in the episode

1204
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 1: in the conversation. But then also if there is a reason,

1205
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 1: like if there is something different about our world that

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Speaker 1: makes it not friendly to finding the Einsteins of our generation.

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Speaker 1: I also am repeatedly struck, just in covering our zeitgeist,

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Speaker 1: that it's pretty clear that we have less and less

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01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 1: of a meritocracy than we have in the past, you know,

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Speaker 1: and it wasn't perfect in Einstein's time. Einstein was pushed

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01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 1: back by anti Semitism, failed to get hired, but you know,

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Speaker 1: at the same time was able to not starve to

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01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 1: death when he was failing to get the jobs that

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01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 1: he wanted, and ultimately was able to make these amazing

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Speaker 1: discoveries in spite of and because of those failures. But today,

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01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 1: I think a lot of that creative genius and energy

1217
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 1: like gets subsumed by billionaires or brands that are trying

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01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 1: to like take that spark and like monetize that and

1219
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 1: like take it for themselves. The thought occurred to me that,

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Speaker 1: you know, one of the reasons that I think thinking

1221
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 1: about icons is interesting is that we are currently living

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01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 1: in a world that is being misled by some very

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01:06:55,760 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 1: powerful icons of our time, and oftentimes they are you know,

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01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 1: let's talk about Elon Musk. Like I think if you

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Speaker 1: were like, who's our modern day Einstein, Like, up until

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01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:10,000
Speaker 1: a couple years ago, a lot of people would say

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk, And I feel like, in our world, like

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01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 1: the fact that he was born to parents who like

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01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 1: owned ruby minds and like used his intellect to become

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01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 1: the richest person in the world are things to take

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01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 1: into account of. Like I think that there is a

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01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 1: built in advantage to being extremely wealthy today and built

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Speaker 1: in kind of disadvantage to not being extremely wealthy today

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01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 1: that probably are not making us the most efficient Einstein

1235
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Speaker 1: finding machines. So I think the system isn't set up

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Speaker 1: that well to find the next Einstein. I also think

1237
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 1: he might just be a singular genius. There might not

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01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 1: be other Einstein's to find. All right, those are some

1239
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:55,959
Speaker 1: of the things I wanted to hit at the end here.

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Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed this episode. We should be making

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Speaker 1: more of them, and we will talk to you probably

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01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 1: this afternoon whatever the next episode of the Daily Zeicheist is.

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Speaker 1: Until then, Bye bye,