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Speaker 1: During the first presidential debate in September, Joe Biden dismissed

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Speaker 1: forced my guests to flee the country after Antifa repeatedly

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Speaker 1: back to Allow with Gianno Calledwell, I've got an awesome

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Speaker 1: show for you guys this week. My guest is Andy No,

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Speaker 1: a journalist and editor of the Post Millennial. Andy is

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Speaker 1: book titled Unmasked Inside Antifa's radical Plan to destroy Democracy.

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Speaker 1: This must read book draws upon Andy's extensive research and

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Speaker 1: experience covering Antifa on the front lines. He tells the

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Speaker 1: story of Antifa's history and tactics as a violent extremist

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Speaker 1: movement right here in the United States. Today, I hear

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Speaker 1: We also discuss what happened last summer between Antifa and

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Speaker 1: am so honored to have you on outlued with Giano

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Speaker 1: called well today, how are you doing? I'm okay, it's

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Speaker 1: a pleasure to be speaking with you. Thank you. I

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Speaker 1: want to start with a simple question, and it's one

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of Americans may not even be

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Speaker 1: aware of what exactly Antifa is. Joe Biden called it

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Speaker 1: an idea, not an organization. The former FBI director Christopher

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Speaker 1: Ray described it as more of an ideology or a

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Speaker 1: it's not necessarily how I define it, it's actually how

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Speaker 1: they define themselves Antifa. It's also a movement made up

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Speaker 1: of networks of groups and cells who followed this violence

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Speaker 1: extremist ideology UM, which the eupheanistically call anti fascism. But

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Speaker 1: it's anarchist communism with a revolutionary agenda. And so I

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Speaker 1: think what can be confusing for the average layman in

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Speaker 1: because ANTIPA organized as essentially phantom cells, there's always a

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Speaker 1: which I write about extensively in my book because they're

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Speaker 1: where I'm from, and you'll see that there. They have

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Speaker 1: process where recruits get radicalized. Over time, they get introduced

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Speaker 1: to training on how to endure and made their opponents,

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Speaker 1: So it's not we're not just dealing with people who

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Speaker 1: and we know this is a very extreme movement, would

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Speaker 1: that they should be designated as a domestic terrorist group. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and it's not just me. I mean, people can dismiss

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Speaker 1: internal memos that were published by political of the Department

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Speaker 1: groups as um domestic terrorists activities. That's significant, and very

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Speaker 1: narratives that come out from videos, And by edited, I

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Speaker 1: don't mean necessarily that their doctored. I just mean that

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Speaker 1: it's a snippet of something that could have taken place

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Speaker 1: over hours. Let's say, so for example, people have it

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Speaker 1: burnt in their minds the image of the the officer

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Speaker 1: that had his knee on George Floyd's neck that was

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Speaker 1: part of a much longer interaction. And then on top

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Speaker 1: of that, people neglect to mention the results of the

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Speaker 1: um autopsy from the medical uh, the County Medical Examiner,

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Speaker 1: which found that there was a fatal level authentinel in

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Speaker 1: George Floyd's body, which is relevant for this. So you know,

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Speaker 1: using terms like this is a murder, this is a

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Speaker 1: murder that was caught on video, that he was murdered

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Speaker 1: by cops like those type of words for like murders

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Speaker 1: determining a court of law, and that officer has not

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Speaker 1: been found guilty. The investigation is still ongoing. There's actually

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Speaker 1: some evidence to suggests that Floyd may have died of

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Speaker 1: other reasons. So, Mike, I mean, part of why I

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Speaker 1: wrote a mass is just because the UM journalists have

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Speaker 1: been so dear and their duties to inform the public

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00:29:55,480 --> 00:30:02,479
Speaker 1: accurately immeasurably about UM these very sensitive topics. Instead, everything

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Speaker 1: they do is just about pouring fuel on fires and

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Speaker 1: exploiting sensibilities over over race and racial justice. So in

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Speaker 1: many ways they are doing the bidding of Antifa by

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Speaker 1: sensationalizing these instances of use of force by police. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's interesting, as we were talking about the George Floyd case,

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Speaker 1: there was some other folks, some some political commentators that

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Speaker 1: recently mentioned the fitting all. And I recognize that fitting

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Speaker 1: all may uh uh decrease your ability rather to really breathe.

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Speaker 1: So I get that. But the officer's knee on his

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Speaker 1: neck wasn't proper police procedure. Therefore he certainly bear some

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Speaker 1: liability to the death of George Floyd. And I think

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Speaker 1: when we talk about these things you can talk about

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Speaker 1: the drugs that was in this system, absolutely fine, that's okay,

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Speaker 1: But are we looking to talk about it in the

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Speaker 1: sense of this miss what happened and what was wrong?

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Speaker 1: And a lot of African Americans truly feel trauma from

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Speaker 1: police interaction because of the history of this country. We're

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Speaker 1: talking about um after the Civil uh, the Civil War,

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Speaker 1: when a lot of these um um Confederate soldiers became

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Speaker 1: police officers and they begin to inflict the same pain

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Speaker 1: on African Americans as they were as Confederate soldiers. So

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Speaker 1: a lot of this is very real trauma that a

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Speaker 1: lot of people don't necessarily understand because they've never lived

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Speaker 1: a day in a black person shoes. So I hear

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Speaker 1: everything you're saying. I get it. I think it's so

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Speaker 1: important to provide that contactual, contextual UM element to these

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Speaker 1: kind of conversations because people often forget how real fear

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Speaker 1: is for people and how they can respond in different ways.

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Speaker 1: But moving beyond beyond that UM for a moment, I

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Speaker 1: know you've got a best selling book out New York

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Speaker 1: Times bestseller which people should definitely take a look at,

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Speaker 1: and it's called Unmasked Inside and tief is radical plan

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Speaker 1: of destroy democracy. Why did you write the book and

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Speaker 1: what is it about? What are your main arguments. I

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Speaker 1: wanted to provide just to the average American or reader

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Speaker 1: on the world, a book that they could have in

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Speaker 1: their hands to understand antipas history and ideology and organizing

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Speaker 1: organizing tactics and why they are the threat that they are.

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Speaker 1: Um And, by the way, I think it's important to

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Speaker 1: to respond to what you just said, like all those

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Speaker 1: points are really important and they're true about the reason

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Speaker 1: why there's a certain salience or palatability for the actions

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Speaker 1: of the alament to FAZ because there are these chronals

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Speaker 1: of truth in things that they purport to say they're

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Speaker 1: flighting for. So, right, the history of racism in the

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Speaker 1: United States, particularly for black American citizens, is something that's real,

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Speaker 1: and there are certain um we have within living memory

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Speaker 1: of these policy is that were you enacted at the

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Speaker 1: state level and carried out by law enforcement to justify

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Speaker 1: um racist policies and discriminatory actions. So Antifa and b ALM,

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Speaker 1: in my view, they use these traumas to carry out

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Speaker 1: their extremist activities and to justify what they're doing. Um So.

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Speaker 1: In the book, I also write about I map out

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Speaker 1: the relationship between BLM and Antifa and sort of the

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Speaker 1: very steeries that kind provide the framework for a lot

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Speaker 1: of their arguments, because if you talk to an Antifa,

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Speaker 1: ask them why are you why are you setting fires

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Speaker 1: to businesses? Why are you looting these small businesses? These

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Speaker 1: people are part of our community. They don't see what

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Speaker 1: they're doing as bad at all. They don't see it

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Speaker 1: as criminal activity. They see it as a good thing

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Speaker 1: because in there there world view. For example, they view

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Speaker 1: capitalism property rights as linked to systems of oppression, linked

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Speaker 1: to fascism. So, like too about to understand Antifa, you

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Speaker 1: really have to understand their ideology and see where they're

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Speaker 1: coming from, how they justify their actions, because I think

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Speaker 1: in addition to um a law enforcement response that is

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00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: needed to break up some of their criminal networks, we

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Speaker 1: also need to be looking at how do we UM

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Speaker 1: counter their arguments that have made its way to the

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Speaker 1: mainstream and is appealing too many people on the left. Okay,

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Speaker 1: then thank you for that point of clarification. And I

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Speaker 1: was intrigued by what happened over the summer because it

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Speaker 1: appeared that in a lot of these cases, when we

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Speaker 1: saw in some of these communities, which I agree, Why

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Speaker 1: would you be destroying your own community. You saw Antifa

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Speaker 1: with Black Lives Matter at least in the in the

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Speaker 1: same area, and it appeared to me that Antifa was

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Speaker 1: hijacking the Black Lives Matter moment in that scenario. But BLM,

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Speaker 1: which we want to separate because there's the organization and

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Speaker 1: there's the people that I know who I happen to

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Speaker 1: be friends of, who are professionals, who aren't destroying businesses

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Speaker 1: and property, who just says use the term Black Lives

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Speaker 1: Matter and it's not necessarily linked to the association or

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Speaker 1: organization in any matter. Did you see Antifa hijacking that movement?

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Speaker 1: And we saw a lot of reporting on that on

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Speaker 1: my network, Fox News Channel. We talked about it a lot,

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Speaker 1: and the fact that BLM wasn't making any statements with

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Speaker 1: regards to it. Did you see that a lot personally? Yes,

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Speaker 1: I did see that a lot. So going back several

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Speaker 1: years for the BLM events in Portland and Seaho, I

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Speaker 1: saw the Antifa. We're volunteering security for these events, and

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Speaker 1: since some that sort of the partnership between the two

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Speaker 1: has become a bit more explicit in is very explicit

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Speaker 1: in some chapters BLM d C, for example, what's calling

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Speaker 1: m their supporters to come out and support some of

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Speaker 1: these events. I don't know if I would say that

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Speaker 1: ANTIFI hijacks. What they do is they exploit these events, because,

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Speaker 1: as I said earlier, there's a lot of people who

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Speaker 1: go to these um left wing protests that are done

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Speaker 1: in the name of racial justice. And these are people

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Speaker 1: who are just regular left wing people, liberals. They don't

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Speaker 1: really understand that they are being used as human body

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Speaker 1: shields in a wider agenda of creating turning protests into

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Speaker 1: riots that ANTIFA is so good at doing. UM so

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Speaker 1: my criticism and blum the organization in addition to their

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Speaker 1: Marxist revolutionary views that have been espoused by the founders,

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Speaker 1: but all so that leaders in the organization by and

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00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: large have not done the work it takes to expunge

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Speaker 1: the anarchists communist elements that are coming in to engage

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Speaker 1: in criminal organizing. In fact, they usually ignore it, deny it,

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Speaker 1: or welcome it. So um at some point, in my view,

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Speaker 1: you you do place blame on them for being complicit,

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Speaker 1: and but I think it's worse than that. I don't

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Speaker 1: think they're just complicit. I think they welcome it, and you,

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Speaker 1: as writ in the book, you can look at some

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Speaker 1: specific chapters in the US for BLM where they actually

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Speaker 1: consider anti Feather comrades and allies. I want to pick

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Speaker 1: up from there at the moment, but first let's go

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Speaker 1: to break Gee Soars. He's funding We know he's been

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Speaker 1: funding BLM. I think he gave him thirty three million dollars.

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Speaker 1: Is he also funding Antifa? The funding for Tifa is.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of theories about that, and most

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Speaker 1: of it is unfounded. One of the most common ones

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Speaker 1: is that shadowy billionaire millionaire figures channeling money to Antifa groups.

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Speaker 1: I haven't found evidence from that. It's actually much more simple. So,

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Speaker 1: as I write in the book, the the funding sources

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Speaker 1: is actually done through campaigns, ong fund me, cash app envenoment.

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Speaker 1: So with the aid of big tech, these people make

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Speaker 1: campaigns and accounts that are then shared with their very

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Speaker 1: large and expansive networks on the left, and people are donating.

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Speaker 1: Suffer hundreds and the amount of money that some of

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Speaker 1: these Antifa groups have been able to raise is significant.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking hundreds of thousands to millions. Some Portland alone,

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Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands was raised to cover everything from food, food,

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Speaker 1: to accommodation to travel, riot gears, weapons, jail money, jail

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00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: bill funds, UM, legal aid, absolutely everything. It just became

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Speaker 1: a really well oiled machine. They were swimming in cash.

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00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: And then some of these groups because they just opened

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Speaker 1: up out of the blue after they would get all

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00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: this money and they would just closed down their Twitter

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Speaker 1: account and you would you would have no idea what

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Speaker 1: happened to the remaining let's like three hundred thousand dollars

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00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: as one of these groups in Portland. UM In in Minnesota,

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Speaker 1: the Minnesota Freedom Fund raised thirty five million dollars with

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Speaker 1: the help of celebrities and people like Kamala Harris UM

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Speaker 1: and that money was used to bail out every single

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Speaker 1: person who was arrested up the riots throughout Minnesota, and

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Speaker 1: some of the people that they were getting failing out

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Speaker 1: included those being held on charges of attempted murder and rape.

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Speaker 1: So UM people are using big tap to aid in

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Speaker 1: their right organizing, which is why the decisions to dan

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Speaker 1: Trump and then many pro Trump accounts on Twitter and

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00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: Facebook and Instagram have been so hypocritical because they've turned

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Speaker 1: a blind eye for years now two left far left

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Speaker 1: terrorists who are organizing and crowdfunding on their platforms. As

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Speaker 1: you probably predicted, the mainstream media and the PC police

609
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,760
Speaker 1: are not fans of your book. The Los Angeles Times

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Speaker 1: called it extremely dishonest, writing you pretend and Tief is

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Speaker 1: the real enemy. Leftists have even tried to cancel your book,

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Speaker 1: bullying Portland's iconic Paul's Bookstore into not selling your book.

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Speaker 1: I believe Pals gave it, gave in to the mob

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Speaker 1: somewhat and said they wouldn't sell it in the stories,

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Speaker 1: but they were doing online. I'm guessing you expected some

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Speaker 1: of his backlash. What do you make of all of it?

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Speaker 1: That particular review was written by a man named Alex

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Speaker 1: Nazarian who is a White House correspondent for Yahoo News.

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Speaker 1: I think um, his certain things he said in the

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Speaker 1: review were really disgusting, for example, linking me to Gebbles

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Speaker 1: and calling me, in other words, a Nazi propagandist. Um.

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Speaker 1: That type of language is um, I mean, I don't

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Speaker 1: think it has place. You don't just flippantly use Holocaust

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Speaker 1: references just to make a point in a review to

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Speaker 1: try to sme as somebody like, Um, it's disgusting. If

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Speaker 1: he wants to challenge disagree with my analysis, all that

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Speaker 1: is fine, But going down this route of really unprofessional

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Speaker 1: language like that is not becoming on somebody who works

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Speaker 1: as a reporter and covers the White House. So that's

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Speaker 1: that was my initial response. I think, Um, of course,

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Speaker 1: it's entirely predictable. I think our papers of records, whether

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Speaker 1: they be The Valley Times or the New York Times

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00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: or Washington Post, have published a lot of material that

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Speaker 1: um bring Shane to the profession in my opinion, and

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Speaker 1: it brings me to another point you mentioned in New

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Speaker 1: York Times. A reporter there even called you a dangerous

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Speaker 1: threat who should be censored on social media. How do

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Speaker 1: you respond to all this? Are there any effort to real,

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00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: legitimate efforts to sense to you, whether they be on

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Speaker 1: social media anywhere else. Yes. So you're talking about Sarah

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Speaker 1: john she um, she's a walks of the New York Times.

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Speaker 1: She wasn't added her UM and she had been calling

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Speaker 1: for me to get banned after Trump was banned. Um.

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Speaker 1: It just goes to show you, as I wrote about

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Speaker 1: terms like anti fascism and nanti racism. I'm not surprised

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Speaker 1: that a lot of gentlealists, do you they feel threatened

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Speaker 1: far off. Yes, and I appreciate you making your voice

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Speaker 1: a lot of Americans who don't understand what antifa is,

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Speaker 1: many other instances what we've seen neither on social media

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Speaker 1: or live on our televisions. But before we let you go,

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to know what's next for you. Do

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Speaker 1: you have any big projects coming up? The folks at

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Speaker 1: on social media and elsewhere? So I am on Twitter

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Speaker 1: at Mr Andy Ngo. My website is Andy dot ngo

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Speaker 1: dot com. I post whenever I give interviews, and I

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Speaker 1: write news reports, and all I have to go on

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Speaker 1: follow there. I'm going to continue doing what I've been

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Speaker 1: not going away absolutely, and I'm following you on Twitter myself.

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Speaker 1: So I want to thank you again for coming on

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Speaker 1: out loud with Gianno call Will and certainly educating us

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Speaker 1: on many of the instances and intricacies rather of Antifa,

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Speaker 1: because a lot of us are simply misinformed and don't

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Speaker 1: a real way in terms of exposing them for what

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Speaker 1: they are reporting on the ground, even getting beat up

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Speaker 1: by this violent group of people. So thank you again

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Speaker 1: for all you do, and we look forward to as

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