1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: M luteful. If it doesn't work, you're just not using enough. 2 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: You're listening to soft red Radio, Special Operations, Military miss 3 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: and straight talk with the guys in the community. Hey, 4 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: what's going on. This is rad your host of Software Radio, 5 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: and I have Jeff Ingle on with me today. And 6 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: Jeff comes from a military background of the United States 7 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: Army Special Operations I believe, free fall parachute teams. I 8 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: believe he's also heavily involved in cybersecurity and how to 9 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: help prevent that in your personal life, or how to 10 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: adapt what he's learned in special operations on you know, 11 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: the cybersecurity side of things, so that you can apply 12 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: some of that maybe you know, attention to detail and 13 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: some rules. So let's listen to what Jeff has to say. 14 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: And welcome to our show. Well, Rad, thanks for having me. 15 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: You gave a good intro. I mean, I've been fortunate 16 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: to spend my you know what I considered my formative 17 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 1: years when when a lot of people are are going 18 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: to college, I was getting an education, you know, in 19 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: the Army Special Missions Unit, which you know, set the 20 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: stage for for many of the things that I've done since. Um, 21 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: you know, when you when you've got nobody to call there. 22 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: You know, they're the ones, so there's no backup, and 23 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: it really changes the way that that you think about 24 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: you know, more complex problems. So a lot of self 25 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: rescue in the world where it's like you're out there 26 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: and it's you and your buddies are the self rescue. 27 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: It's like someone climbing a mountain. It's up to them 28 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: to get off kind of that mountain. You know, self 29 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: rescue absolutely, and you have, uh, the other pieces when 30 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,639 Speaker 1: you're doing you know, things in remote places with small 31 00:01:55,880 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: organizations and they're high profile, something is innocuus is bringing 32 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: the wrong batteries can mean mission failure. So you know, 33 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: it really influences the way the way that you you think, 34 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: in the way that you know, I built you know, 35 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: my organization around trying to to have that comparable level 36 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: of attention to detail and selection process and high expectations 37 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: and it's, uh, it was the best thing that I 38 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: believe I could have possibly done, was to you know, 39 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: have the opportunity to be surrounded by people who just 40 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: have no quit then you know, and that there are 41 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 1: many of them were older than me. You know that 42 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,359 Speaker 1: I was the baby they did. They did an age 43 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: waiver for me to get into the unit when I 44 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: was I was twenty one, So I was surrounded by 45 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: guys that you know, had been been doing what I 46 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: call the Lord's work for many years. And uh, my 47 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: team leader, who you know as a guy that I 48 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:46,959 Speaker 1: still look up to. He only ended up being my 49 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: team leader for about three months and then was hit 50 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: by an I E D and paralyzed. So I, as 51 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: a as a young sergeant, got escalated into being a 52 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: you know, a team leader in you know, you know, 53 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: America's now National Mission Force before I PENNEDNANE six or 54 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: had figured out how to get the wet behind my 55 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: ears out of the way. So it's sometimes being thrust 56 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: in that position can influence everything that happens after that. 57 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 1: And yeah, I think I was. I was fortunate to 58 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: to still have the influence of him, and he stayed 59 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: around even even though he was you know, doing wheelis 60 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: in a wheelchair. Yeah, for a couple of years. I 61 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: still call those guys and and say, you know, and 62 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: and look for advice even though they're they're doing very 63 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: different things these days. And then I am right, maybe 64 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: we'll see him in the X Games you know, hey, 65 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: just throwing some inspiration out there. Bro. You know you 66 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: guys have that type of mindset, right, you guys are 67 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: extreme athletes. I I talked to many alike in your world, 68 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: and you know what it is that made you go 69 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: in at a young age? So how old were you 70 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: when you enlisted versus the twenty one waiver? Right? So 71 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: did you enlist at like a seventeen eighteen year old? Yeah? 72 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: I did, um So, Yeah, I joined the Army at seventeen. 73 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: It was you know, everybody is gonna know how old 74 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: I am, because you know it's not not commonly known. 75 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, I joined when I was seventeen. It was 76 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: April of two thousand and one. I came in originally 77 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:13,559 Speaker 1: as a weapons of mass destruction guy, so chemical, biological, radiological, 78 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 1: and nuclear and uh. I was in the second day 79 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 1: of the reconnaissance course when September eleventh happened, so and 80 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: was fortunate to be the distinguished unitor out of all 81 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: the training up to that point, which got me into 82 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: that additional school. So I ended up in in w 83 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: D Reconnaissance and then I was on a round trip 84 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: to the Middle East for the first four years of 85 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: my military time. So I had three deployments, twenty six 86 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: months in combat by the time I was that twenty 87 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 1: one year old sergeant and you know it already had 88 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: you know, I got a you know, commendation for valor 89 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: and I was wounded and you know that type of 90 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: thing in my my regular army days. And I think 91 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 1: some of those things ultimately, you know, led to to 92 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 1: recruiting me into doing something that was much more on 93 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: And definitely I had all the lessons of what not 94 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: to do in big Army, all the things of what 95 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: to do that was in the special operations community. I 96 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: still look to those and move forward, Like don't they 97 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: say the difference between regular Army and special operations and 98 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 1: forces is hands in pockets. You guys standing around with 99 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: your hands in the pockets getting Yeah, so like it is. 100 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: I talked, I talked about that that kind of thing 101 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: in my book. I mean, the a lot of people 102 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: think who are not around the community, they think the 103 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 1: military is this thing where everybody does what they're told 104 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: and there's you know, a policy for everything, you know, 105 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: and very much big Army is not. Everybody does what 106 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: they're told, right, do they do whatever they get they 107 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: can get away with right. But there's a mentality around 108 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: you know, don't stick your hands in your pockets, you know, 109 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 1: just drive off the X when you get hit by something. 110 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,799 Speaker 1: You know, it's very and and there's this belief in 111 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: in some circles that there's somebody on high who actually 112 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: knows the right thing to do, and that's why it's 113 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: all being pushed down. You know. When I when I 114 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: learned the special Operations community was there's a reason behind 115 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 1: all of those things, then there's a reason to deviate 116 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 1: for many of them. And the hands in the pockets thing, Oh, 117 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: so you're always at the ready, right, Well, you're not 118 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: gonna be able to do anything with those hands if 119 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: they're frozen, right, right, So it's just a it's just 120 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 1: a different mentality, you know, and an understanding of what 121 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: the the core of whatever the rule is. And then 122 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,119 Speaker 1: you then once you understand the why, right, you can 123 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 1: you can make better decisions whether to apply it or 124 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: or to break that rule. Right. And you're I think 125 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 1: kind of of the opinion too, sometimes you have to 126 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: break that rule to move forward, right, I mean, what's 127 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: your thoughts on breaking specific rules, especially when it comes 128 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: to like you had to cross over. You have to 129 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: do some stuff in the military, right, and so there's 130 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: rules that you're like, I gotta get read it a 131 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: roof on this shock. How do we get a roof 132 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: on the shack? You know what, what's the ingenuity? What 133 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: what kind of rule break are you doing to procure 134 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: that roof you know for that shack? Well, yeah, I 135 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: mean that's so I'll tell you a war story. I 136 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 1: think of the Statute of limitations on it is over, 137 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: so I can get away with it. But so my 138 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: first yeah, my first deployment, we were responsible for uh, 139 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: you know, for w M D Reconnaissance and we're part 140 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: of them, combined to a Task Force Sporting Operation during 141 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: Freedom and we had we were for a deployed and 142 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: we had all of our reconnaissance vehicles and all that stuff. 143 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: It was ready to roll, right, So we had a 144 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: platoon come in in December of two thousand and two 145 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: to replace us, so they were gonna take over our equipments, 146 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: you know, and everything was in pristine shape. It was 147 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: ready ready for combat. So we retrograde, right, So with 148 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: plute platoon comes in, we turned everything over. You know, 149 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: I get us a plane as a young U four right. 150 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: I went down to the airport and I was able 151 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: to get us on a plane back home, and we 152 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: arrived on December twenty two of two thousand and two, 153 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: back in Alexandria, Louisiana. My first sergeant gets on the 154 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: bus as we come off the plane, he says, don't 155 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: unpack your bags because you're going right back. So they 156 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: didn't want to tell us that we were ultimately gonna 157 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: you know, they wanted they avoided getting us a ride 158 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: home because they just expected us to stay but couldn't 159 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: tell us. So when we got back, you know, I'm 160 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: now at that point, I was a you know, I 161 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: was still a young kid. You know, I gotta go 162 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: and you know, and tell the family, Hey, I'm I'm 163 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: going right back. But the worst part was all the 164 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: vehicles that we were gonna have to take over was 165 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: from that platoon that relieved us, and they were not 166 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: ready at all. Right now, antenna's radios were all jacked up. 167 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: Equipment didn't work, you know, the air conditioning because it's 168 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: a fully enclosed riconstance vehicle. That stuff didn't work, which 169 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: ultimately meant the equipment didn't. So now we're gonna have 170 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: to do the invasion of Iraq, and we've got somebody 171 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: else's garbage. So we spent six weeks getting all those 172 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: vehicles ready, put them on a on a you know, 173 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: a boat, came back to Kuwait at the time, got 174 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: the vehicles and we had to go and procure right 175 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: through an official challenge, you know, all of the things 176 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 1: that we needed to get those you know, those vehicles 177 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: combat ready. So you know, I don't can you know, 178 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: condone that type of activity then, but as a as 179 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: a as an eat you know, E three four and 180 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: about to go across the berm and do Iraq, you 181 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 1: do what you gotta do, right, So, Yeah, sometimes breaking 182 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 1: the rules, you know, they'll they're make or breaks on. Yeah, 183 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 1: and if you understand really what the baseline is, why 184 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: the core of it, you end up making different decisions 185 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: many times because the almost every case is an index 186 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: case when you had getting end up in you know, 187 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: high stress environments. You know, I talked about it a 188 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: little bit in my book It's coming out. You know, 189 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: the there is a seven hour period in two thousand 190 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: and four in Baghdad where I kind of experienced everything 191 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: that could go wrong. You know, that's when I was 192 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: when I was wounded and UH end up getting a 193 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: medal for valor. You know, if I would have followed 194 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: the rules and just kept driving off the X when 195 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: we were ambushed, you know, I'd be dead right now. 196 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 1: That whole route was daisy chain with I E. D. 197 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: S UM. They were the The The ambush was initiated to 198 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: get us to follow the rules, which is, you know, 199 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: speed through where we would have either been you know, 200 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: we would have been likely been killed. I was exposed 201 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: because I was out of the vehicle that other people 202 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: might have been you know, it might have been captured, 203 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: tortured or whatever. So I made the call because I 204 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: was the only one who had calms, and at that 205 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 1: time I was a nineteen year old or twenty year old. 206 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: Sergeant said, you know, I stayed on, stayed on the X, 207 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: you know, tried to lay down suppressive fire, but the 208 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: fifty Cali had the headspace and timing was misconfigured, so 209 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: it ended up jamming and I told everybody to go 210 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: back the other way. So the only one who was 211 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: wounded was me, and you know, we ended up, you know, 212 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: breaking all the rules about how you're supposed to handle 213 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: that situation. But but ultimately it worked out for the best. 214 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: So what was the wound that happened to you? How 215 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: did that come about? Specific So the initial initial blast 216 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: I don't know if you could tell how ugly I am, 217 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: but the initial blast um because uh, I got I 218 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: got trapped in my eye and I had a vertical 219 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: fray true in my jaw, so that was kind of 220 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: turned that way. And the initial explosion there was it 221 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: was either an id D or an RPG. I was 222 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:09,839 Speaker 1: looking the other way, so I couldn't see there was 223 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: an RPG fire at the initial book the vehicle in front. Yeah, 224 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: so they cut the lights off on the road, the 225 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: explosion went off RPGs. There was RPKs that were shooting 226 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: from multiple positions. That was if I was watching it 227 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: from the outside, it might have been an interesting light show. 228 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: But um that at the moments, you know, it didn't 229 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: last very long, but we were able to We were 230 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:32,839 Speaker 1: able to get out of there. I spent the night 231 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: in the thirty first Combat Support Hospital, you know, and 232 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: have have stories about my perspective on that as there 233 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:40,959 Speaker 1: was a kids sitting with his guts on his chest 234 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: next to me, but they cared more about me because 235 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: of the potential loss of my high So it was 236 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: And that's wild, bro, because like the RpK for my listener, 237 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: that's a full auto machine gun that has a bipod 238 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: off the front of it and it has a big 239 00:11:56,559 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: like green box mag with like the big bullets point 240 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: six two bullets. These guys are big boys, you know, 241 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 1: and they're just like probably just holding the trigger. That's 242 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: just like it's just consistent. And then the RPGs or 243 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: rocket propel grenade that's coming at you, and it's just like, 244 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: what about your hearing? I mean, are you wearing ear 245 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: pro is this going on? I mean like is it 246 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:19,839 Speaker 1: echoing or what? Yeah? No, I you know, goggles on, 247 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: you know, because I was outside of the turret and 248 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 1: you know those got blown off, you know, from the 249 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: the initial blast and they basically it's a it was 250 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 1: a you know, a helpmet connected to the communication. So 251 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: there was some some level of hearing protection. But when 252 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: you're that close to explosions, you know, if you ask 253 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: my p asked my my family, they'd say, my hearing 254 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: isn't that great? But mostly to ignore Yeah, hic, yeah, 255 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: is that what this is? You know? Two thousand four, 256 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: during the body uprising, you know during those days. Yeah, 257 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,679 Speaker 1: the the up armored humbes, you know, and all that 258 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: hadn't arrived. It was we were cutting out pieces of 259 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:05,719 Speaker 1: metal and you know, trying to weld them on to 260 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: uh to fabric doors and humbies. But I was on 261 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: a smoke track, so it kind of looks like an 262 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: armored personnel carrier, but it was designed to to uh 263 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: go in front of the tanks and lay down smoke. 264 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 1: So we just basically ripped all the equipment out of 265 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: it and turned it into an armored personnel carrier. But 266 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: I was up on the fifty call and the turret 267 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: as the assistant patrol leader at that time, so you know, 268 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: me and the driver and you know, a skinny private 269 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: that we could fit inside the where the smoke where 270 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: the smoke machine hole was. We were all exposed in 271 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 1: the rear vehicle, and you know, things happened. I told 272 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 1: them to get down and pivot steer and we ended 273 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: up getting out once the uh the humby in the 274 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,839 Speaker 1: fronts and the and the other vehicle went past us 275 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: because we were only like twos into route sonics you 276 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,839 Speaker 1: know at the time, which if you understand how you know, 277 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: the all the route names. We were patrolling Senators, which 278 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: is like as you them into southern Baghdad, you Senators, 279 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: you end up taking east and it kind of wraps 280 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: around and goes into the green zone. Between tween Senators 281 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: and and the green zone, there's Route Sonics. That's that's 282 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: the route we were taking as an alternate course to 283 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 1: uh you know, because Senators had we came up that 284 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: route and then First Armored Division, who was who we replaced, 285 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: they ended up getting extended an extra three months. So 286 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: they were going They moved up to the off of 287 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: our our forward operating base and up to the green 288 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: zone and then got orders to instead of going home 289 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: that they were gonna they were gonna go south. So 290 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: that night there Bradley's and Tanks where they passed us 291 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: were they were and we were the only other ones 292 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: out in Baghdad that night they passed us and we're 293 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: just getting lit up on Route Senators. So we ended 294 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: up taking Sonics back. The intent was to take Sonics 295 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: back to Irish and Irish down to our our base 296 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: which was on the southern edge of Baghdad. But we 297 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: only need like two meters into Route Sonics. When you know, 298 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: the lights went out and the bombs went off. So 299 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: it was an interesting night, crazy dude. And then that's 300 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: just between like seventeen and twenty one. Right, You're you're 301 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: like on your like around the world already a few 302 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: times and uh, and now you've got an injury to 303 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: deal with and you got to recover from that, and 304 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: you've got that going on. Then you get pulled into 305 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: this unit right at twenty one because they're like, hey, 306 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: well and what is it? Can you talk about what 307 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: that unit is? Specifically? Is it O d A is 308 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: a delta? Is it? No? No? Noah, it's um. All 309 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: I can say is it's the it's an Army Special 310 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: Mission unit. Yeah. I was just reading a lot. I 311 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: was like, what is this like? You know, yeah, it's 312 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: you know, I was fortunate to be surrounded by people 313 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: who had a lot more experience and special operations before 314 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: they ever got there. I mean, the uh it was. 315 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: It's it's not a very common thing, you know for 316 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: somebody who came from the regular r ME to go 317 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: directly into the organization that I had the good fortune 318 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: of working and then being as young as I was, 319 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: and you know, my the people I was surrounded by 320 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: being significantly you know, older, more experienced, and you know, 321 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: and having this be like their their path was a 322 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: you know, special operations path. They were special forces and 323 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: rangers and those types of things before they got there 324 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: or they supported those those types of units be where 325 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: they ever got there. Then I was just a I 326 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: was a little punk, you know, twenty one year old 327 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: punk who thought there was something. But when I walk 328 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: into you know, when I went through those gates, it's 329 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: a humbling experience. Uh yeah, And I still feel that way. 330 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: You know, I have the good fortune of having some 331 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: of the people I worked with back then who went 332 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: on to you know, to continue to have great careers 333 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: and special operations join me in the company now. And 334 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: I think that's, uh, that's as significant point of pride. 335 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: You know, that they would be willing, you know, I 336 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: worked for these guys, and the fact that they would 337 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: come you know, you know, finish out illustrious careers and 338 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 1: retires colonels and sergeants, major and that type of thing, 339 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: and and be willing to come work with me on 340 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: on this new problem. Yeah, that's that's a big deal 341 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 1: for me. At least they're all got they got college degrees. 342 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: You got that already right off the bat, like major 343 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 1: Colonel Keig degreed, degreed, agreed, come on over. Yeah, you know, yeah, 344 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: it's funny I was when I was you know, when 345 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: I was that kid, the government spent massive amounts of 346 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,199 Speaker 1: money training me to do things that you know that 347 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 1: no college ever would. You know, there were times where 348 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: you know, I was sitting with one other person. Yeah, 349 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: you know, there'd be like fifteen pH ds in the 350 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: room and and they're all there just to train us 351 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 1: because you know, you don't you know, this type of 352 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: things that we were doing. You don't have uh, you 353 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: don't have academics, you know, throw on kit and do 354 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: this stuff with you know, out the middle of nowhere. 355 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: So yeah, you know that that world is always educating one. 356 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 1: You know that my dad was a Green Beret for 357 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: many years and he was pursuing his PhD by that time, 358 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 1: you know, he passed away, but always chasing that intellect 359 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: right to expand the mind and and use that as 360 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: the sharpest tool in his toolbox of you know, tactics 361 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: is his mind. So I like what you're saying already, right, 362 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: and uh, you know that brings me to like other 363 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 1: people who are super savvy, you know, and simplistic. Right, 364 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 1: It's like, you know, I know that you're probably a 365 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: fan of Sun Suo right in the Art of War, 366 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 1: and and I know that you know, attack at night, 367 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 1: fall back when you know, retreat when you're being an attack, 368 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: you know, flank simple maneuvers, go to sleep, eat food, 369 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 1: drink water. You'd be you know, arrested. Right. He tries 370 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 1: to write this thin book. It's you know, however, I've 371 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: seen it. It's a thin book. If you will, you know, 372 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 1: if you Art of War, what do you use from that? 373 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 1: What do you like? What tell me about it? Yeah, 374 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:59,199 Speaker 1: so sun Zoo. You know, I'm a huge consumer of 375 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: things that other people might otherwise not want to read. 376 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 1: So it's, uh, you know, when I think about Sun Zoo, 377 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: I think about the experiences that I've had. I think, 378 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: you know, I think about the policies and doctrine and 379 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 1: things that are written. You know, I try to consume. 380 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: And I think this is common amongst people who have 381 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: a you know, a special operations background, generally, like the 382 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: basics are are everything? Magic happens after you've become you've 383 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 1: mastered the basics, you know. With my you know, one 384 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 1: of my mentors, you say, the only thing that matters 385 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: is shooting in pt Like everybody thinks it's all the 386 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: Gucci gear and the you know, the high tech capabilities, 387 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:40,719 Speaker 1: and it comes down to it if you're if you're tired, 388 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:46,199 Speaker 1: you're susceptible to making a mistake. Right. So it's almost like, uh, 389 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: there's the movie around zombies. It's like cardio. Cardio is 390 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,959 Speaker 1: the most important thing, right, Um, But if you can 391 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: hit what your aim in at and and you're not 392 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: tired when you get there, so you can make better 393 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 1: decisions than you know, you have a significant advance edge 394 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: over your adversaries. So I think that the simpler the better, right, 395 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: everything in my you know, the way we operate in 396 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 1: my company, and you know the way I've approached it 397 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 1: is eliminate all the unnecessary. Right, And I'm not saying 398 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: I have a spartan existence. I've seen some of these 399 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 1: you know, these former soft guys, they're like eating raw 400 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: duck liver, you know, and you know, and they just 401 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: been wearing weight vests all the time. I'm not, I'm 402 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: not operating like that. I'm you know, I'm definitely a soft, 403 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 1: softer than I was back in the day. But you know, 404 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: those basic things of do you have way more you know, complexity, 405 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: whether it be ether things or emotions that are needed. 406 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: You know, can you simplify your life and then can 407 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,479 Speaker 1: you automate the things awake to where you don't have 408 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: to to have decision fatigue? So suns do you know 409 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,959 Speaker 1: from a tactic standpoint, you know very much aligned. And 410 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 1: you know I could I could say that anything that 411 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: you know that he might have written. You know, I 412 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: have had the good fortune of experiencing and people who 413 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: people who don't um, don't read and then execute I 414 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: think about you know, I have myriad of examples where 415 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: this just comes naturally to the special operations leaders that 416 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: I've that I've been around, and people who you know 417 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: who apply those same the same mindsets. But whereas most 418 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: people who just read and consume, they don't have any 419 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: of that real world experience and opportunity to put it 420 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 1: in and put the application into practice. So it just 421 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 1: becomes like, you know, taglines that they use rather than 422 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: the way they actually influence their decision making on a 423 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 1: day to day basis. And and those those two things 424 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: are literally world's apart, right, Like on the job training 425 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,479 Speaker 1: can give you experience in in what you're working on. 426 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 1: Like right there, it's like, oh, I gotta put the 427 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: fire out. Oh now I gotta put clean the fire 428 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 1: up that I've just put out, and now you know 429 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 1: how to do that versus this is how it comes 430 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,239 Speaker 1: out of somebody who's never done They want to tell 431 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:53,959 Speaker 1: you about it, but they maybe don't have the exact 432 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: I guess entrepreneurship would be that way. You know, you 433 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: have a you have a teacher that you're going to 434 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 1: class to learn how to be an entrepreneur. Yet are 435 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: they an entrepreneur themselves or are they just teaching you 436 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: how to be an entrepreneur? You know? And so I 437 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: think that if you just dive into be an entrepreneur, 438 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: you've learned what you gotta read. There's books, I get it. 439 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: You want to learn about, like you know, the how 440 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:16,479 Speaker 1: to for entrepreneurship for dummies. I mean, just like customer service, 441 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: there's one there's a book you know you learn how 442 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 1: to like let people talk or like, you know, prevent 443 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 1: their frustrations as customer service. But when it comes to entrepreneurship, 444 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: it's like everybody's asking me, what's the biggest key, And 445 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: I said, you just gotta be at first jobless. You're like, 446 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,400 Speaker 1: what do I do with myself? I gotta I gotta 447 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: defend myself and and how am I going to do that? Well? 448 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: What am I good at doing? Well? I love to 449 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 1: do X. Well, how do I focus on X to 450 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 1: be my passion and that I'm good at and monetize it? 451 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 1: And you know, when I got out of the military, 452 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: it gave me a direction kind of like a U turn. 453 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: It's like, hey, You're gonna turn around and start over, 454 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 1: a new life, a new leaf, a new you know. 455 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: Here it goes a new cocoon of rat into a 456 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:58,199 Speaker 1: new butterfly. And multiple times I continue to cocoon and change. 457 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 1: And I think that just you know, educating yourself is 458 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: a good thing, and then just kind of doing is 459 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: also the best thing. Right, Uh yeah, I don't absolutely. 460 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: I mean I've gotten to the point I am and 461 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: in my career and how I operate based off of 462 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: a little bit of retrospective analysis on you know, gave 463 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: me energy versus drained it. And I tried to share 464 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: that with anybody that I that I can. That's you know, 465 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 1: that's coming out of the military, or just doesn't feel 466 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: satisfied in what they do. It comes back to, you know, 467 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: are you doing something that you're passionate about right, and 468 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 1: that you would think is like, oh, that's all you need. 469 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 1: And I've learned that, you know, I've done cool things 470 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,120 Speaker 1: right that I thought were cool, that other people thought 471 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 1: were really cool things to do. You know, I've done 472 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: things that made an impact that I felt like I could, 473 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: like you, you could put on a tombstone and say, 474 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: this guy's made more of a positive impact on the 475 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 1: world than than negative. And without have being with people 476 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: that I liked, right, people that I thought were in 477 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: the fight with me, those two things of doing cool 478 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: stuff that made an impact weren't enough. So I've, you know, 479 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: since the in the last five years, since I have 480 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: the opportunity to to build, you know, my company, I've 481 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: reinforced that day after day after day. It's doing cool 482 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 1: stuff that makes an impact of people you like. And 483 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:16,439 Speaker 1: it's say, if you if you love what you do, 484 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: you'll never work a day in your life. And I'm like, well, 485 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: if you love what you do, and it's you know, 486 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: it's fulfilling, and you're surrounded by people who are in 487 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: the fight with you, then you'll never work a day 488 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: in your life. Right, It's not just the one. Yeah, 489 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: I love that. It's very positive and uh I say 490 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,120 Speaker 1: that uh at my at my stores here in Salt Lake, 491 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 1: you know when my staff are off the clock, but 492 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 1: yet they come in off the clock to hang out. Still. 493 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: I feel that that's a good environment. When you're like 494 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,439 Speaker 1: usually get off the clock. You're like, I don't want 495 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: to go back to work. You work at a restaurant. 496 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 1: I don't want to eat there. I just gotta go 497 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: work there. But to want to go back and be 498 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: like I'm off the clock, do you do you still 499 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: need help? Rad? You want me to grab something out 500 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: of back, I'm not. You're not on the clock. It's 501 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: like thank you though. It's just a total positive community, 502 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:00,360 Speaker 1: is what it is. Right. They just want to see 503 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 1: the success. Yeah. I mean I think there's a saying, 504 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: you know, you either get busy living or you get 505 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 1: busy dying. And if it's if all you're doing is 506 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 1: spending eight to nine to ten hours a day, five 507 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 1: days a week, is to get reprieve on you know, 508 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: Friday night throughout Saturday and then start dreading in on 509 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: Sunday and that's not much of a life. You're like, oh, well, 510 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 1: my kids and my you know, my family, that's what 511 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: I'm you know, that's that's life to me. Like, hey, 512 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: I get that those things are important, but what kind 513 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 1: of example what are you setting? Do you want your 514 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 1: kid to end up in the same situation you are, 515 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: where they're just working for the weekends. I don't know, 516 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 1: there's even songs written about working for the weekend. We 517 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: all heard it. Come on, you know you want to 518 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: do you want to Like you said, working working at 519 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: what you love to do is not really kind of working, 520 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: all right, even though you're working and you're tired at 521 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 1: the end of the day and you've done a lot, 522 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: you know, but if you put it into the passion 523 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 1: and with people surrounding you with the same passion for 524 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: that same idea, you know, whatever widget you're thinking of. 525 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: We have a lot of smart listeners out there that 526 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 1: are gonna make some cool stuff. I know, after this conversation, 527 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: they're just gonna be inspired to go out and you know, say, 528 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: you know, why not me, you know, why not start 529 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: your new sticker company for vinyl stickers? Why not start 530 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: your new advertising agency? And try to get it going. 531 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: You know, why not get out there and just and 532 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: try Because my dad taught me something, he said, Aaron, 533 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: because I was bothering. He was like, they wanted me 534 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: to start a team here for my air Soft war 535 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: games way back in two thousand two. And I was like, Dad, 536 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: I don't really want to do what. I just want 537 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: to play the game. I don't want to be in 538 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 1: charge of anything. I just want to play the game. 539 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 1: And he's like, well, well why, and I said, well, 540 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: I don't know. And he's like, well, if you don't try, 541 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: you'll never know. And so I was like, okay, well 542 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: you're throwing that at me. Huh. So here we are 543 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: today and now twenty years later, and I now know 544 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 1: why I tried. So you know, it's been just a 545 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: total success and with a passion involved, you know, war 546 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 1: games wearing the gear that we're talking about, the Gucci 547 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: guys have, you know, the war game air Softer is 548 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: here and across the world they love it, like they 549 00:26:58,280 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 1: look up to that kind of equipment. You know, it's 550 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: like what was going on in two thousand and five 551 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: Afghanistan or Iraq, and it's like mixed match uniforms would 552 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: lended body armor, tricolor bottoms, chocolate chips, some a c 553 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 1: U that's an air soft load out right, and that's 554 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: like respect for that era. Okay, these guys are out 555 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 1: there like, hey, you know, and that's maybe someone who 556 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,919 Speaker 1: had asthma could never play or never join the military. Right, 557 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 1: what do they get to do? So they step outside 558 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,199 Speaker 1: themselves and they go and play war games and and 559 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 1: then go back to working during the week so they 560 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 1: can get off during the weekend to go play war games, 561 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: to step outside themselves. It's just yeah, yeah, I encourage 562 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: all of that. I mean, my view is find something 563 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 1: you're passionate about, you know, and it doesn't need to 564 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,479 Speaker 1: be what I am. Right when people say thank you 565 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: for your service to me, you know, for me, it's like, hey, 566 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,239 Speaker 1: if you want to thank me, go go live hard, right, 567 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: go do something that you can you know that get 568 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,199 Speaker 1: your adrenaline pumping. Then you know that you actually are 569 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: passionate about because we don't fight for you know, for freedom, 570 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 1: you know, so to walk around and have people say 571 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: thank you for doing that, you know I fight for it. 572 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 1: So you know, in many cases you never know who 573 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: we are. Just go out there and enjoy it. Right, 574 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: And if you do something you're passionate about and you 575 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: find people who who want to get behind that, then 576 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: I'd say, you know, try do something crazy, trying to 577 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: you know, try to solve a problem that nobody else 578 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,640 Speaker 1: has been able to solve, you know, or doesn't even 579 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 1: know is you know, is something that that needs to 580 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: be solved. If you shoot for the moon and you 581 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 1: and you get u you know, to the stratosphere, it's 582 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,439 Speaker 1: still you know, damned impactful, seriously, because you learn from 583 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 1: all of that, you learn from all of that. That's 584 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: there's no success without fail. And an attempt has to 585 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: be a part of fail. An attempt has to be 586 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: a part of success. You have to attempt to be 587 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: successful knowing that the fail is there, because that's what 588 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: makes you want to be successful. You don't want to 589 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: fail that. This is something I bring up all the 590 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: time because I think, you know what, the people in 591 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: my organization, they they have absolutely no fail attitude, and 592 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: and everybody takes that no fail attitude and they apply 593 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: it a little bit differently. Right, Some people avoid doing 594 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: things they don't have a high level of confidence they 595 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: can do. Some people, you know, will just power through 596 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: to get to success even if they have no idea 597 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: or it ends up being a lot more challenging they expected. 598 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: But what I try to foster is more of a 599 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: you know, a science attitude around failure. Right And this 600 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: is partially because of you know, where I grew up 601 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: and how I was trained, you know, in the soft community. 602 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: You know, I was trained by scientists. I work with 603 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: scientists most of my career, and the thing I learned 604 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 1: about working with scientists is it's not a failure. Their 605 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: science is never wrong. It's just the amount of data 606 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: they had available at the time and the you know, 607 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: the connections that they were able to make. So it 608 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: doesn't end up being as black and white as success 609 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: or failure. It ends up being you know, view on 610 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: you know, progress and the best possible outcome, more information 611 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: based off of the data you had access to and 612 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 1: when you uh, when you apply that kind of you know, 613 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: scientific mentality around on success or failure, yea, even failed 614 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: experiments right quote unquote failed experiment just maybe prevented somebody 615 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: else from doing the you know, from from testing it 616 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: in the future, right And it allows you to rule 617 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: out an option that wasn't that wasn't viable. So, you know, 618 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: I encourage that, you know, a no fail attitude. You know, 619 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: from the respective of you know, did you take all 620 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: of the available information and apply it? Did you did 621 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: you bother to uh identify the things that were known 622 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: to to not be effective and then come up with 623 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: a different, you know, hypothesis and and put the necessary 624 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: guard rails on it to test it. So when you 625 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: take that so it progress you know, towards towards perfection 626 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: is probably the best that we could hope for. But 627 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: the emotional change when you know that, you know, failure 628 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: is not necessarily an endpoint, but it's just the next step. 629 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: People will do a lot more than they would if 630 00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: they're if they don't think in the ways that we're 631 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,719 Speaker 1: trained to out in school, right, just get explicit instructions 632 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: on what the outcome is expected so you can make 633 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: sure you get an a exactly. My my baseball coaches 634 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 1: to say, we're doing perfect practice today. It's not just 635 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: you're practicing to be perfect. It's perfect practice. Let's get 636 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: on with it and yeah, let's go. You know, it's 637 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: like that's it, you know, and in you and in 638 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: the world of where you've come from. You know, with 639 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: your military career, you you have to be perfect, practicing perfect, 640 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: you know, going through shoothouses and all these types of 641 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: things to just train up to be you know this, uh, 642 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: this extreme athlete who goes and defends our freedom truly, Okay, 643 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: and then you bring that and now your name of 644 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 1: your business, right, it's we. I don't even think I've 645 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: I've dropped the name of it's isn't it? Is it 646 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: conquest cyber dot com? Is that right? Comico Cyber is 647 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,719 Speaker 1: the business I've spent my career what I you know, 648 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: I say going to the sound of the guns to 649 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: common term used. So I started with with weapons and 650 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: mass instruction, and I got it into the counter terrorism world, 651 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: and then you know, counter weapons of mass destruction terrorism, 652 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 1: and then global infectious disease and now cyber. So I 653 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: know personally the you know, the Japanese word I think 654 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 1: is e key I and I probably mispronounced it. But 655 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: you know, the thing you're good at, the thing that 656 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: you know you're passionate about, and the thing that we'll 657 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 1: get you paid. My key I has always been associated 658 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: to two things that are the greatest threat to national security. 659 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: So so That's why I'm you know, I'm in the 660 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: world of cyber at this point, and we we only 661 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: support my business critical infrastructure sectors, so the sectors that 662 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: enable our way of life, and then the national critical functions, 663 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: which are you know, largely performed by you know, kind 664 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: of all levels of government. So you know, it's very 665 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: much the Mischian continues. Um, I wouldn't say I'm a 666 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: world class athlete at this point, but I'm definitely a 667 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: world class keyboard athlete with with what we do. And 668 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: you know, you know for our our uh you know, 669 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: are continued for national defense, but but specifically for all 670 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: the thousand plus organizations that make up are critical infrastructure there. 671 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: Who are there? Who are customers? Are these days? So 672 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 1: let's talk about these days since we know it's the 673 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: holidays and it's December right now. The trending topic on 674 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 1: a lot of the main media out there is uh 675 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: TikTok and TikTok being this uh influential right right, Let 676 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: me let me finish, Let me finish, TikTok being this uh, 677 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: you know, uh spying network device that everybody's installed along 678 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: with Instagram, What's App all these other social media applications. 679 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: You know, now all of a sudden, everybody's just coming 680 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: at this one app. I want to just put this 681 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: out here. I feel the reason why is because there's 682 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: no control over it from the U S side, Like 683 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: you can't do anything about what is being put on 684 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 1: it per se with regards to news and you know, 685 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 1: some people don't want you know, their name being said, 686 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 1: but they can't stop it, so they want to ban it. 687 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: That's my thought is we're giving our information already on 688 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: so many variants. You know, I mean I got my vaccination? 689 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,479 Speaker 1: What more do I need to give them? Okay, come on, 690 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: you know, I mean they know everything about me, dude, right, 691 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:13,320 Speaker 1: So here I am, but all joking aside. I mean, like, okay, 692 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 1: so they've got my name, my number, probably my I 693 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 1: P of where I log in to do my uploads. 694 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,760 Speaker 1: What is that going to do to me? How should 695 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 1: I Why should I be worried about that? Let's just 696 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: let's open that up. Is that fair? Yeah? Yeah, absolutely, 697 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: it's funny. The reason I was laughing about it is 698 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,280 Speaker 1: we were presented me, you know, my company was presented 699 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:38,240 Speaker 1: with some some data around some vulnerabilities that TikTok had. 700 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,880 Speaker 1: It was Basically it looked like the release of a 701 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 1: vulnerability assessment that was done on TikTok, and you know, 702 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: some some media asked us to interpret the results of 703 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,800 Speaker 1: that vulnerability assessment. So we did so, and I obviously 704 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 1: I gave a lot more context to you know, to 705 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 1: the outlet that than it asked for it than they printed. 706 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: But I basically we talked about TikTok about you know, 707 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:06,720 Speaker 1: the vulnerabilities that were identified. Sure, vulnerability assessments of common 708 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: practice in cyber It needs to be done. You're always 709 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: have vulnerabilities, right, and it's a point in time, so 710 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,319 Speaker 1: they need to be remediated that type of thing. But 711 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 1: more importantly, right TikTok is a Chinese own company. We 712 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,879 Speaker 1: need to be cognizance around the data that that you're 713 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,799 Speaker 1: sharing generally as a as a user, and you can't 714 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,759 Speaker 1: expect that their protections are are gonna you know, fall 715 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 1: in line with what we believe we have here in 716 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,319 Speaker 1: the US. And then you know, Chinese government won't take 717 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: take those those data points. So that resulted in the 718 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 1: most interaction I've I've ever had on Twitter. I begrudging 719 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 1: Lee established a Twitter account when I when I wrote 720 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 1: my book because they told me I had to um. 721 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 1: But I never really engaged with Twitter as a platform 722 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 1: until until recently when start yeah started started being more 723 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 1: than me. Say, But the whole banning of TikTok, like 724 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: you take it off of government phones, It should never 725 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 1: have been on government phones in the first place. I mean, 726 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: what are we thinking, Like we knew about Hallway and 727 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 1: ZTE and all that stuff long before it was ever 728 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 1: publicly reported. So yeah, if you're doing, you know, things 729 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: in the national security arena, or you're doing things and 730 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 1: you have like you're doing like high level R and 731 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 1: D where you know it may make its way into 732 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: our our national security apparatus, or you need it for 733 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: your business. Sure, band TikTok on those devices, you know, 734 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 1: teach people a little bit more about having some cognizance 735 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,799 Speaker 1: around what they put online. But I mean to think 736 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,319 Speaker 1: that TikTok is getting any more than than Twitter or 737 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 1: Facebook or any Instagram or Snapchat or any of the others. 738 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,320 Speaker 1: Says it's Chinese zone, and I think it's a little ridiculous. 739 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 1: But you know, instead of having the people of a 740 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 1: political particular political slant having access to that data and 741 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,359 Speaker 1: then getting into the hands of the Chinese government going 742 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,879 Speaker 1: directly into the end of the Chinese government, I think 743 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 1: is it almost becomes inconsequential for most people who are 744 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 1: doing these, you know, these videos. So yeah, that's I 745 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,439 Speaker 1: love to hear that because I mean, you know, I'm 746 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 1: on there and I I do videos like snowboard tonight. 747 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, what are they getting from me? They're 748 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 1: getting that I'm in the mountains snowboarding, all right, I'm 749 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 1: And I also understand the business aspect of you know, 750 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,239 Speaker 1: using the instance for your branding and like you know, 751 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 1: Twitter for branding and for your business and you know, hey, 752 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 1: you know a business, it makes sense. You're right. I 753 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 1: guess if anybody out there is younger and they're listening 754 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 1: to this this podcast right now, and I would say, 755 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 1: you know, just be aware of what you put out 756 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 1: on the Internet because it stays forever. And if you're 757 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 1: going to create a handle with your name, that's a 758 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 1: brand that you're building and people are gonna expect what 759 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 1: you post to be your brand, and so you have 760 00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 1: to be aware of that, yeah, because that's that's real. Yeah. 761 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 1: No percent what you post is you know, as you 762 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 1: said before we jumped on here, right, it's on the Internet, 763 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,279 Speaker 1: so it's there forever. Then just understand some of the 764 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 1: other dots that can be connected to. I mean a 765 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 1: lot of people don't think about how powerful open source 766 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 1: intelligence is. I mean, it's it's really about connecting dots. 767 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,720 Speaker 1: So if you're not paying for something, you're the product. 768 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 1: That's the old saying, right, And with TikTok, and you're 769 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 1: using it, that's looking at location data. It's I p 770 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 1: S that is bouncing off of you know, cell phone 771 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,920 Speaker 1: networks that it's on, right, And if you're the child 772 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 1: of a high net worth individual or a general, you know, 773 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,960 Speaker 1: your politician, that type of thing, like yeah, you're you know, 774 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,799 Speaker 1: I would venture a guess that there's a you know, 775 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 1: an office building somewhere and outside of Shanghai where you know, 776 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,239 Speaker 1: they've got a map of everywhere you've been, you know, 777 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,800 Speaker 1: and we're able to listen to some of the conversations 778 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,480 Speaker 1: that were happening in the background of your TikTok video, 779 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,839 Speaker 1: so you know, a little bit awareness goes along the way. 780 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 1: But we can't we can't nanny state everybody into a 781 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,320 Speaker 1: perfect security posture or believe that China can't get the 782 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 1: information from any of those other providers that they wanted it, 783 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 1: you know, are we're still a sieve when it comes 784 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,440 Speaker 1: to cybersecurity, and there's so many ways that they can 785 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:20,080 Speaker 1: collect data and still target that people don't think about. 786 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:24,520 Speaker 1: So I'm not on TikTok. I'm not very photogenic, not 787 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,239 Speaker 1: super fan of videos, um because of because of how 788 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: I grew up in the you know, in my formative years. 789 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 1: You know, I don't want my face or name on 790 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:37,200 Speaker 1: billboards since I do things like this these conversations a 791 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:41,319 Speaker 1: little bit begrudgingly, but I think it's important, you know, 792 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,880 Speaker 1: to get the word out, to have people understand that, 793 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,440 Speaker 1: you know, the way society tells you you have to 794 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,919 Speaker 1: you know, to think and do things and grow up 795 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,240 Speaker 1: and what right looks like. I think it's all generally 796 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,239 Speaker 1: BS gonna do what's right for you and and I don't. 797 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 1: I don't want the federal government doing anymore than they 798 00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,080 Speaker 1: need to do, because I you know, I've worked in 799 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,280 Speaker 1: the federal government for you know, more of my life 800 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,840 Speaker 1: than I didn't or with either for them or directly 801 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,200 Speaker 1: or in them. And man, you want to find the 802 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,719 Speaker 1: hardest way to do something, in the slowest way, you know, 803 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,120 Speaker 1: you you give it to the FEDS. So more regulation, 804 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,319 Speaker 1: more laws, that type of thing. I think we need 805 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,440 Speaker 1: to be looking at how to make things more effective 806 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,400 Speaker 1: rather than just adding regulations or getting into the habit 807 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,800 Speaker 1: of banning things based off of what's happening in geopolitics 808 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,000 Speaker 1: or or in you know, federal or state level politics 809 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,719 Speaker 1: at the time. Yeah, because here in Utah they just 810 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,279 Speaker 1: passed just recently, just yesterday, the governor just banned that 811 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,840 Speaker 1: application from any state devices. And I just think to myself, 812 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,359 Speaker 1: you know, why are they on them? You know, like, 813 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,960 Speaker 1: are these the are these the people pointing up in 814 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,279 Speaker 1: the screen with are these my my electric officials? Do? 815 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,839 Speaker 1: I get that they do? But you know, there are 816 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,719 Speaker 1: elective officials who use TikTok as a matter of fact, 817 00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,600 Speaker 1: now that I think about it, you know, and there 818 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,480 Speaker 1: are kids of these people who do have TikTok's, and 819 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,719 Speaker 1: you are you hit it? I just now that I 820 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,479 Speaker 1: just think about it. But I guess just be aware 821 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 1: of what you put out there. Yeah, be aware of 822 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,600 Speaker 1: what you put out there, and be aware of the 823 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,399 Speaker 1: things that you know are happening. Like a year, Yeah, 824 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,080 Speaker 1: everybody's got a low jack on these days. I don't 825 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,520 Speaker 1: you know, And and the fact that they don't realize it, 826 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,360 Speaker 1: I think is pretty Yeah, it's concerning and something we 827 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 1: need to address. If you're walking around with an iPhone 828 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:30,560 Speaker 1: glued to your forehead, yeah, or Android device or whatever. Yeah, 829 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,880 Speaker 1: like everywhere you go, everything that you do, every transaction 830 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 1: you make, every you know, picture that you send to 831 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 1: somebody of you know, you and your birthday suit, every 832 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,960 Speaker 1: single bit of this stuff, and sometimes things that you 833 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,520 Speaker 1: know most of the time, things that you don't realize. Yeah, 834 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,440 Speaker 1: assume that it's gonna end up in time on a 835 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,680 Speaker 1: billboard in times square. Your speed limit, your speed limit 836 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,000 Speaker 1: if you're driving in your car, your phone is going 837 00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,239 Speaker 1: that fast with you. It's like, got it all, It's 838 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,879 Speaker 1: all syncd up. It's like you're doing seventy six right 839 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,520 Speaker 1: on your Google directions. When you're driving, they know how 840 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,759 Speaker 1: fast you're going. You're like, I wasn't going that fast. 841 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,399 Speaker 1: I'm like, let's look at your cash data. You're doing 842 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,440 Speaker 1: eight six according to the Google. You know. It's like yeah. 843 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,480 Speaker 1: The other day, Google's like, hey, rad you missed a 844 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,759 Speaker 1: spot on your timeline. Do you want to update it? 845 00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,200 Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't remember missing a spot 846 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:30,600 Speaker 1: on the timeline. Yeah, it's that there's most recently have 847 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:32,960 Speaker 1: been you know a lot you know, pushing the Twitter 848 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,680 Speaker 1: button now on my phone and seeing what was going 849 00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,280 Speaker 1: on there. And you know, there was a Twitter spaces 850 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 1: the other night. It was Elon Musk who happened to 851 00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,839 Speaker 1: attend it. It was incredibly intriguing. You know, you had 852 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,959 Speaker 1: a hundred thousand people while he's on his private jet, 853 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,200 Speaker 1: you know, talking just having a conversation with him, and 854 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:54,760 Speaker 1: it was brought up to four the book. Some people 855 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,960 Speaker 1: treat it like it's a it's an instruction manual. Right, 856 00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,359 Speaker 1: it's supposed to be a warning, but now we're we're 857 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,120 Speaker 1: all allowing it to happen. We encourage it. We want 858 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,640 Speaker 1: the feedback from the masses to say, you know, thumbs up, 859 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,960 Speaker 1: and we we delete things if they don't it doesn't 860 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,680 Speaker 1: get enough thumbs up. And then man that that external 861 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,319 Speaker 1: validation is it's a drug that you know, people can 862 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,879 Speaker 1: never get enough of. And uh and unfortunately, I think 863 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,320 Speaker 1: the the impact on society about having other things that 864 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,880 Speaker 1: give them kind of that intrinsic feeling of value. It 865 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,759 Speaker 1: puts us in a bad spot as a you know, 866 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,279 Speaker 1: as a country. And a society. So yeah, I'm not 867 00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,120 Speaker 1: a an absolutist that we should go and tell your 868 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,160 Speaker 1: kids they can't have an iPhone or make them ostracize. 869 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,839 Speaker 1: I think we just need to be aware as UH 870 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,600 Speaker 1: as time goes on. You know, the calculator didn't make 871 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,560 Speaker 1: it to where nobody understood math. You know, the cell 872 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,759 Speaker 1: phone didn't make it to where you know, nobody had 873 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,880 Speaker 1: any connection it was. They were just tools to enable 874 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,919 Speaker 1: something that was kind of already on that glide path, 875 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,480 Speaker 1: you know. And as we continue to move forward into 876 00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:00,080 Speaker 1: UH in time, I think we should pay attention to 877 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,560 Speaker 1: making sure that people are working on things that they 878 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:08,359 Speaker 1: give them fulfillment and not just external validation. Right percent. 879 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,000 Speaker 1: I completely agree. I mean, that's it. I don't know 880 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,560 Speaker 1: what to say. I'm a host. I'm supposed to be 881 00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,520 Speaker 1: impartial and sit but i agree with you know the 882 00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,640 Speaker 1: things you say, So I'm just gonna put it out there. 883 00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,560 Speaker 1: Come at me comment down below. If you've got something 884 00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,600 Speaker 1: to say about me, go ahead. I also tell you this. 885 00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,719 Speaker 1: My buddies they used It's a friend of mine. The 886 00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:28,560 Speaker 1: band they have a song called nineteen four specifically about 887 00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,440 Speaker 1: like that, you know, and it's impact and you know 888 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,600 Speaker 1: that he's the lead singers huge uh boy, almost want 889 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,600 Speaker 1: to say thespy. And even though he's a singer, you know, 890 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,880 Speaker 1: he's just his mind is always reading and doing different 891 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,879 Speaker 1: things and the way right. So I think that it's 892 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:46,320 Speaker 1: a warning. It's full warning, that's what it is. Dude, 893 00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:50,319 Speaker 1: that's crazy. And I talked to if there's anybody, you know, 894 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,280 Speaker 1: any military guys or you know, special operators or anybody 895 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:57,439 Speaker 1: who's who just feels like they're they're not being fulfilled. Man, 896 00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,520 Speaker 1: I I've been there. I mean, I you know, I 897 00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,759 Speaker 1: got into Special Operations early and uh, you know, and 898 00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,359 Speaker 1: I ended up getting medically retired early as well. Down 899 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,920 Speaker 1: that time between you know, being the Special Operations community 900 00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,399 Speaker 1: and getting to be able to do what I'm doing today. Man, 901 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,080 Speaker 1: there was a lot of time where I was like, 902 00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,439 Speaker 1: I didn't feel like what I was doing was fulfilling, wasn'tpactful, 903 00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,480 Speaker 1: that I didn't like the people I was being surrounded by. 904 00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,600 Speaker 1: They didn't understand you know, the you know, the unique 905 00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,600 Speaker 1: perspective that you get from being in a no fail 906 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,560 Speaker 1: mission for many years. And I tell if it's not working, 907 00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,400 Speaker 1: don't just knuckle through it. A lot of people who 908 00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,560 Speaker 1: are transitioning out of the military or or just struggling, 909 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,640 Speaker 1: they they end up bouncing around, right, And I would say, 910 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,319 Speaker 1: if you're if you're not in the right spot, if 911 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,200 Speaker 1: you're not surrounded by people who are gonna, you know, 912 00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,000 Speaker 1: gonna help you move forward. Yeah, I would encourage you 913 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,640 Speaker 1: just just to move quick because life is made for living. 914 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:57,440 Speaker 1: And if you're if you're just going through the motions, 915 00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,640 Speaker 1: there is probably something somewhere else people that you can 916 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,600 Speaker 1: surround yourself with, things that you could work on and 917 00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,319 Speaker 1: we'll find, you know, that passion for you and and 918 00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:09,600 Speaker 1: really feel fulfilled as you know, otherwise, what the hell 919 00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,799 Speaker 1: were we fighting for? And if you want to learn 920 00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,520 Speaker 1: more about Jeff, he's got the book all the War 921 00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,640 Speaker 1: they want and you can check out when's that coming? 922 00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,640 Speaker 1: Is that already that's gonna be coming out at once? 923 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,520 Speaker 1: This is out on the air right yeah, Yeah, it's 924 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,200 Speaker 1: available now for pre order. It's all getting shipped on 925 00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,000 Speaker 1: on January tenth, and you know it, you'll it'll be 926 00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,800 Speaker 1: in bookstores and that type of thing. And all that 927 00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,080 Speaker 1: that book is about is you know a little bit 928 00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,520 Speaker 1: of sharing of what my passion is and then then 929 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,239 Speaker 1: how to do something about it when you have a 930 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,680 Speaker 1: you have a problem that that you just can't accept 931 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,919 Speaker 1: not being solved. So, you know, I'm a good friend 932 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:47,680 Speaker 1: of mine David Henshaw, who his his kind of CVS. 933 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,560 Speaker 1: He's the he was the CEO of Citrics when it 934 00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,920 Speaker 1: was publicly traded for many years. You know, he described 935 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:58,320 Speaker 1: it as uh combination of Simon sinek and and Tom Clancy. 936 00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:02,080 Speaker 1: But it's not really intended to be anything in particular, 937 00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,040 Speaker 1: I'm not there's a little bit of war stories, but 938 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,200 Speaker 1: really it's informing just how how I've made decisions and 939 00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,080 Speaker 1: how you know, I learned. You know from that community 940 00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,760 Speaker 1: that you know there there's a way to do things 941 00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,319 Speaker 1: that works, and many of the ways that people are 942 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,279 Speaker 1: telling you to do things today they just don't. That's why, 943 00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:23,399 Speaker 1: you know, most sports franchises are run more effectively than 944 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,880 Speaker 1: the best run businesses now. And I worked in an 945 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,880 Speaker 1: organization that you know, it was far more effective than 946 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,160 Speaker 1: the sports franchises, particularly if you're a Dolphins fan. But 947 00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,360 Speaker 1: you know, that's just sharing some of the insights I 948 00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,160 Speaker 1: glean there, and you know, surrounded by people who you 949 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,560 Speaker 1: who have done miraculous things that nobody can talk about 950 00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,359 Speaker 1: so hopefully people like to you know, pick it up 951 00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,080 Speaker 1: and yeah, like you said, they don't like what you say, 952 00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:52,040 Speaker 1: dropped and drop the comments. Uh, you know, people don't 953 00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,040 Speaker 1: people don't like the book. You know, let me know. 954 00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:59,200 Speaker 1: I'll definitely not consider that at all. So it's like, 955 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,160 Speaker 1: you know, go ahead and let me know. Really, but 956 00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,479 Speaker 1: you know, all the war they want. If you're hearing 957 00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,000 Speaker 1: it and it's it's something that you're thinking about getting someone, 958 00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,120 Speaker 1: you can preorder it. You know, It's been a real 959 00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,279 Speaker 1: pleasure to have you on this episode. I've had your 960 00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,799 Speaker 1: time for an hour, and I know you're busy, and uh, 961 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,040 Speaker 1: I know the little reluctance of being on this and 962 00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,120 Speaker 1: put it out there. So I want to say thanks 963 00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,400 Speaker 1: for trusting us to bring your story and and and 964 00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,200 Speaker 1: some exposure to you. You know, the soft Rep community 965 00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,399 Speaker 1: here is a very cool, loyal one and I really 966 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,880 Speaker 1: appreciate your time today on the video and on online. 967 00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,000 Speaker 1: So thank you very much, Jeff. Yeah, thanks a lot. Right, 968 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,320 Speaker 1: it was a pleasure, and uh hope all the listeners 969 00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,600 Speaker 1: enjoy well. Thank you. So with that, I'm gonna say 970 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,600 Speaker 1: Happy New Year and to go check out Jeff's book. 971 00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,160 Speaker 1: All the war they want and hit us up on Instagram, 972 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,560 Speaker 1: hit me up on TikTok. If you got some kind 973 00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,880 Speaker 1: of question or you want to you're freaking out at 974 00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:51,400 Speaker 1: night and you want to save yourself, hit me up. 975 00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,759 Speaker 1: I'll try to answer. Okay, other than that, my name 976 00:48:53,800 --> 00:49:02,720 Speaker 1: is Rad and I'm gonna say peace. You've been listening 977 00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:04,200 Speaker 1: to self Red Radio.