1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: Welcome back batch our Happy Hour listeners. Thank you for 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 1: joining us on another Tuesday. Tasha, how you been girl? Hey, 3 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: I'm doing well, still kicking over here in the city. 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: How about you. Oh, I'm great. I have been traveling. 5 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: I am finally home in California for Minnesota, and it 6 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: feels so good. I've been reunited with the baby with minnow, 7 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: so things are going well. I feel like each week, 8 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: every time Monday rolls around, something wild goes down. But 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: I will know, it was a little wild, but not 10 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: as crazy as we've seen in normal episodes. Yeah, it 11 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: was a lot, but like I feel like we're finally 12 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: kind of like getting into this standard a little bit 13 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: more calm, if you will, for the season. But I 14 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: feel like that's all about to change. Well. I like 15 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: the feelings are starting to really start to come out 16 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: and show and the tough There's gonna be some tough 17 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: decisions coming up soon. Obviously you saw with Connor, but 18 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: there's so much happened. Franco, Drag Queens, Jason and Kitlyn 19 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: were on the episode. So much went down, So we 20 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: have a lot to talk about. Yes, let's get into it. 21 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: I just have to first say I Tasia when I 22 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: was passionate. They before I, before we started filming, they 23 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: asked me what kind of dates would you want? And 24 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: the only date I said that I really wanted was 25 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: something with drag queens because I grew up watching drag 26 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: shows and Repul's drag Race and it just I just 27 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:33,199 Speaker 1: love it. I feel like it's such an art form 28 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: and it's just fun. It would be such a good date. 29 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: And then didn't get it on my season, and then 30 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: Hannah Brown got it, and now Katie got it, and 31 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: I'm just like, God, dang it, this is all I've 32 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: ever wanted. Well it skipt me too. Okay, it skips 33 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: me too. I think, can you imagine if we had 34 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: a drag race out in Palm Springs? I mean, hello, 35 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: this perfect place to do it, perfect place to do it. 36 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: But also I can't even imagine how it's hot enough 37 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: in Palms Rings, But then to throw in all of 38 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: the gowns and the wigs and the glitch, the makeup 39 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: and make it might have been a lot, but it 40 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 1: would have been so much fun. But it was honestly 41 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: such a joy. Watching Last Night back and seeing Money 42 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: and Shade just I feel like they just thrived around 43 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: the men. It was just so pleasant. Um, you know, 44 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: I do love I do love a good shade session 45 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: when the library is open. We all know minding a 46 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: fundamental and I I wish the men would have actually 47 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 1: gotten on each other a little bit more because they 48 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: opened up the door to be like, okay, laying on us, 49 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: this is the shade room, how do you really feel? 50 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 1: And the guys were so timid And I'm not trying 51 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: to say like let's like like talk trash about everybody 52 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: in the house, but they have a lot of opinions. 53 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: They have not and shy of their opinions the entire season, 54 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 1: but all of a sudden, when they have a mic 55 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 1: to their face and being like, hey, they tell me 56 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: how you really feel, they were like, so the roses 57 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 1: are red, the violets are blue. I love Katie, and 58 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: do you want to marry me too? Yeah? Exactly. So 59 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,679 Speaker 1: that's just like, wait what I thought that we started 60 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: bringing each other's hair at some point, So it was 61 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: I thought it was really fun day to spice it 62 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,959 Speaker 1: up and change it up. And I mean, I'm kind 63 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: of sad that they didn't just come knocking on my 64 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: door after the day because I would have loved to 65 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 1: hang out with them, but it was an interesting day. 66 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: I felt like it was very awkward times, like it 67 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: was Katie was uncomfortable. Yes, it felt like kind of 68 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: pointed to your point. At first it started off very 69 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: roses and we're gonna be nice and do poems, and 70 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: then but they skipped the whole point of the date. 71 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: They skipped the action entirely shade and they weren't rating 72 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: each other. It was more just like, okay, Hunter, you 73 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: said you're between this, and then it wasn't even comedic 74 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: like it like if I was Katie, I would have 75 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: been like, I wanted to be more of a roast, 76 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: like let's have fun here, and it turned into something 77 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: vastly different, which I don't think anyone was expecting. On 78 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: Clair season there was a roast and it was actually 79 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: a really funny like they went in on each other, 80 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: but like in a classy way still and like it 81 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: was comical. This was far from comical. Yes, well, speaking 82 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: of comedy, there was something that we totally bypassed at 83 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: the top of the episode that we have to actually 84 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: cover two because I this so enjoyable, and that is 85 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: Operation Woo Woo and for those For anyone asking what 86 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: WOO stands for, I might get leaped out, just like 87 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: the show did. But what is it? Go ahead, week off? 88 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: Whack off? Correct? Correct whacking off? So when Katie threw 89 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: this out there first, so I think my favorite part 90 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: was you and Caitlin's rea action because you were both like, oh, 91 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: no more skincare. Yeah, you don't want them to shave, 92 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 1: like you don't want them to like put lotion on 93 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: their bodies like before they see you, Like what does 94 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: that mean? Exactly? Know? Self care? Like I was very 95 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: self don't you want them to smell good? Like you 96 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: want them to put cologne on? Like I promise you 97 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 1: want them to do their hair? Um? Yeah, Katie had 98 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: a very different idea in mind, and it was so 99 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: funny because I actually wish that they would have showed 100 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: like how long it took for us to actually understand 101 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 1: what she was saying and like for her to like 102 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: get it out, because we were like you want what 103 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: and we were just like okay, like we're still not 104 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: grasping it, and she's like girls, she finally told us 105 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: like they're not allowed to whag off, okay, And I'm like, 106 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: oh when you say, my Jesus ears, But it's just 107 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: so funny because it was just like, that's what you're 108 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: thinking about right now, Like that's the last thing on 109 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 1: my mind. Although it is a funny concept to start 110 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: thinking about, not that I think that's such a good 111 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: concept because I don't think people realize when you're filming. 112 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: I mean, you're gone for up to two plus months, right, Realistically, 113 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 1: you besides a makeut session with the lead, like you 114 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: don't you like really aren't hooking up with anyone like 115 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: And I think for men, especially, like especially if they're 116 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: not used to that, it's kind of like this environment 117 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: where you're like, okay, I need a loane time. I'm 118 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: an adult here. But yeah, like for me, it's just 119 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: so funny because I guess like they are literally sitting 120 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 1: in their rooms doing nothing. So boys are just they 121 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 1: just need to get hobbies. Okay, go wait a damn book. Okay, 122 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: we really like, you know, well spoken men, so maybe 123 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: she should spend time doing that. I don't know, but 124 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: I loved how we learned real quick. Who kind of 125 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: this would be difficult for obviously apparently takes super long 126 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: showers all of the time. So is this something you 127 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: knew about him on your season? Are you kidding? No? 128 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: Oh well, also no not, I mean granted, I mean 129 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 1: Blake was the one that, like, didn't he make a 130 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 1: penis sculpture? Yeah? He formed a penis with Clay. I 131 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: mean I mean people did a heart, I did a row, 132 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: someone did a pizza. He did a penis. Like obviously 133 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: that should just like kind of give you an idea 134 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: where Blake's mind goes a lot of the time, which 135 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: is comical, but like, yeah, I'm not really surprised that 136 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: he was probably in the house mind you for about 137 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: like four days and the guys already picked up on this. 138 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: So Blake, It's interesting. Blake's got a theme honestly, I 139 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: will say though. It kind of his energy and just 140 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: like how open with the sexuality is matches Katie, so 141 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: I feel I could see why it really does it 142 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: would work out, like you know, obviously we sat later 143 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: on when he went to surprise her, just like that 144 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: passion in that chemistry. So I feel like they're good 145 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:56,679 Speaker 1: fit for each other. I mean, so kudos to Katie 146 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: or producers whoever thought of that concept. I thought it 147 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: was that was Katie that was loved it Katie. Also, 148 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: I will say this and I talked about Katie a 149 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: little bit last week, and just like how in awe 150 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: I am of her when she handles crtain situations and conversations, 151 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: she gets prettier to me episode by episode and not 152 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: to like fixate on somebody's beauty, but I feel like 153 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: as she gains her footing and just becomes more confident 154 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: and comfortable with them men, she just seems like she's changing. Yeah, 155 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: and it's really a fun, beautiful thing to watch. I 156 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: think she's just gaining like more confidence in the situation. 157 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: I mean, you're walking into a room with thirty men, 158 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: and as much as like they are all there for you, 159 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: it's kind of a little intimidating at some point, like yeah, 160 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: you kind of get on yourself like do they really 161 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: find me attractive? Like am I enough for these guys? 162 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: Like and you do this or that, this is that, 163 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: And like I think she just became more comfortable with 164 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: you know, just the unconventional process and she just became 165 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: more herself. And then you literally see it week to 166 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: week to week. You are right, she does get prettier 167 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: to me in a way of like you're just owning 168 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,839 Speaker 1: who you are even more than you were before. So 169 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: it's just it's it's a really cool transformation to watch. 170 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 1: It is she also, I've noticed every time she walks 171 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: into the room, chose goes hellos. Yes she does. It's 172 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 1: always the hello. We all have our daylines and our 173 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 1: things that we say, and so when I think of Kate, 174 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: I just think of hello, Hello. I love it. I 175 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: love it. I can't wait to have her on next 176 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: and she better enter the podcast that way. She will, 177 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: she will, but she'll go hello, ladies. That's what she 178 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: used to say to Kaitlyn and I. Yeah, she's um, 179 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: She's she's great. Um. One other thing that we saw 180 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: that hasn't I think happened in a while, but she 181 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: did send somebody home during a one on one date 182 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 1: and didn't even make it to the dinner portion. So 183 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: obviously we saw Connor who I mean, I think most 184 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: people thought he was a front runner since day one, 185 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: Like they when he came out of the limo in 186 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: that cat costume and it had all of his puns 187 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: and his one liners. They seemed to really click, and 188 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: so I didn't expect Connor to go home in the 189 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: fashion that he did. It was very gouvernanting to watch though, 190 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: like she was still so invested that I think wanted 191 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: it to be there with him, because I think she 192 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 1: wasting shocked at the I guess how it all transpired 193 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: and how he you know, went home before the dinner portion. 194 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: But yeah, Connor, I mean he I had a soft 195 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: spot in my heart for Connor. To be honest, I 196 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: did too. I mean I feel like he just is 197 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: as genuine as they come, Like he was genuinely interested 198 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: in her. He was like I got like I'm dating 199 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: the girl, Like he was just like in awe of 200 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,199 Speaker 1: her but also just wanted to be that person for her, 201 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: and I it's it sucks. He even sad, like to 202 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: go from like what we started at to now this, 203 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: Like it's really sad. But I also just feel like 204 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 1: this is kind of like that week that things start 205 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: to get a little bit harder for the bachelor of 206 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: Bachelor as just because there are relationships forming and you 207 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: clearly are starting to see like if there is that spark, 208 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: if there's not, you connect on this level with these 209 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: people and you are starting to I hate to say it, 210 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 1: but compare in a way not people, but like your 211 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: connection and It's just I'm glad she did it when 212 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: she did, because I think he was just growing more 213 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: and more and more invested, and I think leading him 214 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: onto even like the rose herem why. I think he 215 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: deserved like the respect of being sent home, like on 216 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: a one on one so she could actually talk to him, 217 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: as opposed to being like, sorry, you're not getting a 218 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: roast tonight and he's like, wait, what's just happened? You know? 219 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: So I think it was right for both of them, 220 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: And I feel like he was very understanding as much 221 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: as it hurt, like he kind of just you know you, 222 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: I mean, he said, I understand. Yeah, he knows at 223 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:55,559 Speaker 1: the end of the day what this is, and that 224 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: she has to kind of prioritize different relationships and really 225 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: compartmentalize what ones, you know, kind of like what box 226 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 1: each relationship goes in. And she said to herself, and 227 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: I love that she had the time to have this conversation. 228 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: As you were just saying, it wasn't just so I'm 229 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: not going to give you a rose and send you home. 230 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: She actually had time to stay with him and explain 231 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: things as much as you possibly could. And as shocking 232 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,959 Speaker 1: as it is, I mean at the end of the day, 233 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 1: he probably knew what he was getting into and that 234 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: there is only going to be one person at the 235 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: end of this and if it's not him, like no 236 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: one wants, I think to be led on. But it 237 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: was really hard, Like I think one of the last 238 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: things he said was, am I really that bad of 239 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: a kisser? Because she know my heart? Pro when he said, 240 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: which is so sad, because you know, you go, as 241 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,079 Speaker 1: we both can attest to, you go through this process 242 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: and you do have stronger feelings for somebody and sometimes 243 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: you can't even describe why. It's just you have to 244 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: go off the feeling. Like men can be perfect on 245 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 1: paper and you can say this is the list that 246 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: I want in a partner. I want him to be 247 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: X y Z. But if there's that like chemistry and 248 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 1: that passion or just that feeling that's missing, you can't 249 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: force something and that you can't and you can't make 250 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: it up either, and you can't expect for it to 251 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 1: succome out of nowhere like oh, I'm just gonna keep 252 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: going and see if it keeps coming out. Like that's 253 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:28,079 Speaker 1: when you're like setting yourself up, you know, for failure 254 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: in a way, that doesn't come out of thin air, 255 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: you know, And that's I think the tough part is 256 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: Katie didn't necessarily have that, and it sounds like Connor did, 257 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:39,719 Speaker 1: and so he was just like, where's the disconnect? What's 258 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 1: going on here? Which it's a struggle. I mean, we've 259 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: all been through it as leads, and I think probably 260 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: just a normal life too, dating Like we've all either 261 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: been that person. We've been Connor and we've been Katie. 262 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: And so it's just as you said, you can't force it, um, 263 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: but I will say this, you can. I can tell 264 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: that the show. And I will just say the producers 265 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: and the men loved Connor because they allowed him to 266 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: go back and say goodbye to everybody and that never happened. 267 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: And so I'm like, safe, they love this man, they 268 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: love him. But I wonder, Okay, so I wonder if 269 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: it's a producer thing. But also I think it does 270 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: make a huge difference that we are on one single 271 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: property the entire time, as opposed to like being like 272 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: traveling and whatnot. But they've never been I don't think 273 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: they've ever allowed anyone to do that. They usually just 274 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: take the bags and they're gone. No, no, no what 275 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: they have. I don't remember the name, though it has 276 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: happened in the past one other time. But yes, I 277 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: agree with you. I think that they probably really, really, 278 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: I don't know. Connor is a likable guy. I'm telling 279 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: you right now. I've liked him since day one, so 280 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: I think that, yeah, you're probably right. Well, they just 281 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: wanted him to say goodbye to the guys. I think 282 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: that this hadn't happened yet on a date to where 283 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: someone actually went home, and it was really new concept 284 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: to the guys that you can actually go home, even 285 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: on a one on one, So I think that he 286 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: kind of was sent in to also just like let 287 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: them know, like, hey, we had a connection, and guess what, 288 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: I still went home to make shake it up. It's 289 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: really hit the guy's hard, I think, yeah. I mean yeah, 290 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: because when we're saying this is the week where it 291 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: tarts to get tough. At the beginning, it's tough for 292 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: the lead because you don't quite know what you're getting into. 293 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: It's uncomfortable, there's a lot of pressure. Then you get 294 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: into this sphase in a couple of weeks where it's 295 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: more fun. You start to loosen up, you get to 296 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: know the men and their personalities, and it's like a 297 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: little bit lighter, more easy going, if you will. And 298 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: then there's always the switch halfway through. And this is 299 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: what I was warned about. There's always the point where 300 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're like, oh, no shit, this 301 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: is getting real and I actually no need to really 302 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: like hunker down in my head and my heart to 303 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: figure out what's going to be best for me in 304 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: the long run, like what's actually going to work outside 305 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: of this. So well, yeah, as soon as it is 306 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: making out with ten guys or fifteen guys in dating 307 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: them all, it does last forever. He doesn't as much 308 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: as I would love it, as much as it would 309 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: love for It's actually really difficult. Yeah, it's it is. 310 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: I don't want to complain. It's not as easy as 311 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: it looks sometimes people, But I think we just got 312 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: to get into it. We have the Man of the 313 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: Hour here with us justin Welcome to Bachelor Happy Hour. 314 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: How have you been now that the season is filmed 315 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: it's airing. How's everything going for you? Yeah, it's been. 316 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: It's been a roller coaster for sure, you know, getting 317 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: back to trying to adjust to a normal life. I 318 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: guess I was a little bit na you thinking that 319 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: that would be a seamless process. But it hasn't been 320 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: in a multitude of ways. But it's it's been fun. 321 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: You know, it's had its challenges. Um, you know, I've 322 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: never really liked the sound of my own voice. I 323 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: don't want seeing my cell phone TV. So that's been 324 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: interesting every Monday having to hear it and watch myself. 325 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: But um, you know, it's it's been. It's been good, 326 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: you know, just watching everything back, kind of reliving the 327 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: memories and you know, if you remember exactly where you were, 328 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: you know, certain points in time and the connections and everything. 329 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: You know, it's weird going to the gym and people, 330 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 1: you know, notice you in the grocery store. I'm completely 331 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,679 Speaker 1: like zoned out and somebody comes out and taps and 332 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 1: I'm like, that's just a regular person. You touch my avocados, 333 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: you know if people want to like take a picture. 334 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: So it's um, yeah, it's it's been. It's been interesting. 335 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 1: I love how you just say touching the avocados, Oh 336 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: my god. We know, Okay, before we get into everything 337 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: with the show and all of the fun stuff and 338 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: ripe avocados, we got to address something. Okay, we're just 339 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: gonna do it at the top of the episode to 340 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 1: get it out there, because I think for so long, 341 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: oftentimes it's easier to run from certain things, and it's 342 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: easier to kind of just brush things under the rug 343 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 1: and down address them. But within this past week, some 344 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: tweets have surfaced that you had posted about I would 345 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: say a decade ago m kind of bashing the LBGT 346 00:17:56,440 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: community and just not great things that you know, twenty 347 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: or not twenty six, sixteen year old Justin had put 348 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 1: out into the universe. And so I'm a big believer 349 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: in I don't believe in cancel culture. I believe that 350 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,719 Speaker 1: to actually learn and grow and make a change in 351 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 1: this world, and just in any interaction we have with people, 352 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 1: you can't just cancel somebody like I want to give 353 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 1: people the benefit of the doubt. And so I wanted 354 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: to come here at the top of Happy Hour just 355 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: to let you kind of address those tweets that came 356 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 1: out the mindset you were in at that point versus now, 357 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: and then we can just get into it. No, I 358 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 1: definitely appreciate that, and I appreciate the opportunity to be 359 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:40,479 Speaker 1: here and be able to speak on, you know, some 360 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: unfortunate things that I've resurfaced. You know, it's interesting as 361 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 1: I you know, reflect on everything that I just went 362 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: through with this whole journey. You know, oftentimes people ask me, 363 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: you know, what I took from it, and one of 364 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 1: the things, one of the biggest takeaways for me was 365 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 1: just my personal growth. And one of those things, you know, 366 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 1: is being able to hold myself a honorable which is 367 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: something that historically I wasn't able to do. And so, 368 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: you know, I have no issue with you know, owning 369 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: up and apologizing from the bottom of my heart for 370 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: you know, the um the really hurtful words that I 371 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: used back in two thousand and nine or two and eleven. 372 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: You know, um, you know, the last thing that I 373 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: want to do is run from it. You know, that's 374 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: that's not who I am, you know, and I just 375 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: want to kind of speak from the heart and hopefully 376 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 1: people will kind of get an understanding of where I 377 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 1: was then or versus where I am now. And so, 378 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,199 Speaker 1: you know, when I look back at you know, fourteen 379 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: year old Justin Right, and I was in high school 380 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 1: and quite frankly, I was the type of person you 381 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: know who who for whatever reasons, felt the need to 382 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 1: to fit in and poll and say funny things and 383 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: kind of keep up with, you know, what my peers 384 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: were doing and saying right to get a laugh or 385 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: you know whatever for whatever reason. And you know, the 386 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: folks that I had associated with at the you know, 387 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: would throw around, you know, really hurtful slurs that at 388 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: the time I didn't really think anything of right, And 389 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: you know, the last thing that I want is for 390 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 1: people to defend me and say, oh, it was ten 391 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 1: twelve years ago. You know, it's didn't right. It's what 392 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 1: I said was ignorant and hurtful. Then it's ignorant and hurtful. Now. 393 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 1: I don't care if it's five, ten, fifteen, twenty years ago, right, 394 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: no matter how long it was, those words shouldn't have 395 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 1: come out of my mouth. And so, you know, I'm 396 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 1: obviously in a different place now, you know, over a 397 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: decade later, as as a twenty seven year old, and 398 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: I can look back and I'm obviously embarrassed and ashamed 399 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: of the words that I use. You know, in any context, 400 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: I shouldn't come out of my mouth or on Twitter 401 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 1: or whatever. Right, they're they're hurtful. And over those years, 402 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: you know, I know, as I've matured and evolved and 403 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: grown as a person, you know, I'm a totally different 404 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: version of justin then I was now right, and I 405 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 1: know that those words would never come out of my 406 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: mouth because I know that the way that they carried 407 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 1: no matter what context they're used in. And I understand 408 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 1: how much allyship and support those groups that I offended 409 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: need right and it's and it's for those reasons that 410 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: over the years, you know, I've in present state, you know, 411 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: I bounder with several you know, community organizations that are 412 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: allies for lgbtwo communities, diversity and inclusion, you know, advocation 413 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: for women in the workplace, you know, and um, you know, 414 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 1: this is a kind of a wake up call to 415 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: to let me know that I need to continue to 416 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 1: put that work and continue to devote my time to 417 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: these groups that need the allyship and then need to support. Um. Yeah, 418 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: because because words can be hurtful, and you know, it's 419 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: unfortunately I think, you know, and twelve years ago, whenever 420 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 1: it was you know, my my underdeveloped brain, you know, 421 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: I wasn't thinking, you know, how can these words, um, 422 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 1: you know hurt people? You know later on in life, 423 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 1: you know, if they were to ever resurface. And yeah, 424 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 1: so you know, like I said, I'm not making any excuses. Um, 425 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: I need to be fully held accountable for my actions 426 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:03,719 Speaker 1: and for my words, and I fully understand that, and 427 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: I just want people to know that fourteen year old 428 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 1: justin you know, I've changed the messal since then, and 429 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 1: I'm fully aware of the weight that my words carried 430 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: and and that we all continue to put in work. Yeah, 431 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 1: I mean I was telling Taitia before we had you on. 432 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 1: I remember being I remember exactly where I was seventh grade. 433 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: I was want thirteen to fourteen. I was in a 434 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 1: choir class and one of my best friends I'm not 435 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:30,959 Speaker 1: going to say her name on here, but one of 436 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 1: my friends in seventh grade. I don't even remember exactly 437 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:36,959 Speaker 1: what we were talking about, but it came out of 438 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: her mouth to describe something and she said, that's so gay. 439 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: And my sister was sitting next to us, and she's like, 440 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 1: why would you say that? Like why would you use 441 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: that phrase to describe whatever we're talking about? And at 442 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: that age, I think kids are young. They don't fully know, 443 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: they don't fully understand. It's just to kind of go 444 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,360 Speaker 1: with the times and say stupid shit like we've all 445 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 1: done that. But now looking back, I was just like, 446 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 1: thank god my sister was a little bit older and 447 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: could call me out at you know, call us out 448 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: at such a young age and say like whatever you're 449 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 1: trying to describe right now, or say, isn't that And 450 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 1: you know, we've just nation. I've talked about this on 451 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: the podcast many times, like words do carry so much weight, 452 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: especially now in this position where you have a larger 453 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 1: platform and people of all ages are seeing you and 454 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: hearing you. So I mean, I'm glad that you can 455 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 1: take this time and have this platform to address it. 456 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: But I'm also glad that it sounds like you've already 457 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: taken steps to be more immersed in the community and 458 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,199 Speaker 1: more inclusive within the community. It's not something that I 459 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,479 Speaker 1: think very often we see people being called out and 460 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 1: held accountable for certain things, and then it's like, okay, 461 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: but now what do you do right? And this is 462 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: one thing actually amberss on here too. But one thing 463 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: that I do want to call out is like when 464 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: we're saying, you know, certain things like more importantly using 465 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 1: the term gay, it's not a bad thing, and it 466 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 1: shouldn't be used as something to suggest something terrible. Same 467 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: with like, yeah, you know, there's so many words we 468 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 1: can get into, but I think it's good to have 469 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,959 Speaker 1: these conversations and keep this dialogue going to realize, like, 470 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 1: things that get a bad connotation aren't necessarily bad, and 471 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,199 Speaker 1: that's where our mindsets need to shift. One thing I 472 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: wanted to ask you is because you know Twitter, I 473 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: think Twitter when you were younger is vastly different than 474 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 1: what it is now. As adults, we just use it 475 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: as a different tool. So at any point when you 476 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: were casted on The Bachelorette or you know, even after airing, 477 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: did it ever cross your mind that these tweets would resurface? 478 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,199 Speaker 1: Was it something that you ever thought about? Yeah? I know, 479 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: I'm glad you asked. You know, after going through casting everything, 480 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,400 Speaker 1: you know, the way my parents raised us to always 481 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: be conscious of what you put out into the universe, 482 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 1: what you put out out on the internet, because you know, 483 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: it can always follow you, right, And so after going 484 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 1: through this, you know, I thought, you know, hey, has 485 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: has there been anything that I've said? And you know 486 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: I went through you know, my platforms and you know, 487 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: on my Instagram, like I never cursed and I barely 488 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: touched Facebook, like, if anything, I need to just weed 489 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: out some friends that I've got on here from you know, 490 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: an I mean, you know, I didn't think anything of 491 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: any posts. And on Twitter, I mean, in Twitter, it 492 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,360 Speaker 1: was I feel like it was such a new thing 493 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 1: when I was in high school that clearly my Twitter 494 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: fingers you know, went wild and said some things that 495 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: you know, but you know, there was a few years 496 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: in between up until like last week, when I put 497 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 1: out a tweet you know, from my faces and I 498 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: was like, I I don't know who works faster, you know, 499 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: Twitter or on my face. But up until that point, 500 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 1: you know, I really, I really hadn't been a heavy 501 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,360 Speaker 1: Twitter usually, so didn't dawn on me, like hey, let 502 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: me go back and see because and maybe it was 503 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: giving myself too much credit because I know the type 504 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: of person that I am now who would never better 505 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,159 Speaker 1: those words right and back. It's to your point. And 506 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: it's funny you mentioned, uh, you know, I was out 507 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: not too long ago, and somebody said, as a reaction, oh, 508 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: that's so gay, And I literally I was like, people 509 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: still say it? Why are you saying to people still yeah, 510 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: you know, so that's my mindset now, And it didn't 511 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 1: cross my mind to think, hey, justin you were an immature, 512 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: you know, insensitive teenager at one point in your life, 513 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 1: go back and make sure the data aligns with the 514 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 1: person that you are today. You know. Um, and that's 515 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: when then I should have done and didn't in that 516 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: moment when that happened, I mean, because it sounds like 517 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: it was pretty recent, did you feel comfortable calling that 518 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: person out and saying okay, what are you trying to 519 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 1: actually say? Here? And okay, okay? And that's what I think. 520 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 1: It's so important. It's to be able to have those 521 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: conversations with people that you're yes close to, but also 522 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: that you're not close to, because nothing's going to change 523 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: if we're never held accountable in that regard. Yeah, I mean, 524 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 1: it's you know, and and you know, aside from just 525 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,439 Speaker 1: wanting to hold myself accountable, it truly hurt to me 526 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 1: that I've hurt these communities because you know, like I 527 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: just told you, with there's so many instances where you know, 528 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: I'm around people who can be so insensitive, and I 529 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 1: you know, I consciously try to call those people and say, 530 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: why are you saying this, what do you what do 531 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: you act? What message are actually trying to get across? 532 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: Let's find a different way to say that, right, And 533 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: you know, I'm friends that identify the LGBT community, and 534 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: you know it, it breaks my heart. One of them 535 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: I won't say his name, but you know he'll go 536 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,640 Speaker 1: round and say gay blank and I said, no, no, 537 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: your name is your name is this? You know we're 538 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 1: not gonna go around saying hey, it's gay so and so. 539 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:43,439 Speaker 1: You know that doesn't you know, I feel like people 540 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: in that community sometimes, and as a black man, I 541 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: can relate because sometimes you build these calluses and you're 542 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: so used to the microaggressions that perhaps as a coping mechanism, 543 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: you you just accept it right to fit in and 544 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 1: not make people feel uncomfortable. And that hurts me, right 545 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: because people in these unrepresented and you know um communities 546 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,160 Speaker 1: that that you know it be that way. They need 547 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: the support, they need the ally ship, which is kind 548 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: of what you're driven me to be a part of 549 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: these community groups that I devote time to. And you know, 550 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: I'm embarrassed that for you know, old Justin who didn't 551 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: have that mindset, you know, m I think if there's 552 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: anything that we've learned in the past, well, for sure 553 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: the past year, but even beyond that, it's it's okay 554 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 1: to get uncomfortable. It's okay to have those conversations and 555 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 1: that dialogue because without it, we're not going to see 556 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: any change or growth or acceptance. And um, I'm again 557 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: I'm glad that you're able to recognize that and to 558 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: be able to share your side of things, because I 559 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: think it's an unfortunate reality that a lot of people 560 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: have been in your position have dealt with things that you, 561 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 1: you know, have you know, have probably said similar things. Um, 562 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 1: but you can recognize where where the error of your 563 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: ways was and where we move on from this. And 564 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: the last thing I do want to say too is 565 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 1: you know, this is such a heavy, deep conversation that, 566 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: like I could sit here for hours and talk and 567 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: get into it. Obviously, our podcast is about the show 568 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: as well, so we will get into that. But the 569 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: last thing I will say is for anyone out there 570 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 1: who has offended or anything like anything, who has seen 571 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: these tweets and felt some sort of emotion, being gay 572 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: is beautiful and it should be celebrated. Being trans is 573 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: beautiful and it should be celebrated. And what's great about 574 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: the episode that we just watched last night is it 575 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 1: includes parts of the LGBTQ community. You know, we saw 576 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: a franco host your Date, Justin and two incredible Drake 577 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: queens come and hosted Date. And for me as a viewer, 578 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 1: that's what we need to be seen more of. We 579 00:29:54,960 --> 00:30:00,239 Speaker 1: need to be including all walks of life everyone, not 580 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 1: just you know, this straight heterosexual relationship. Um. And so 581 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: that's why I'm glad that we can actually have you 582 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: on this week for this podcast, this episode because of 583 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: what we saw last night. UM, so thank you. I 584 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: know it probably we probably got out and you're like, 585 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: this is going to be a tough one, but um, 586 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: I know I'm not just saying it. I genuinely appreciate 587 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: the opportunity because to your point, I mean, I firmly 588 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: believe we should celebrate our differences. Um. You know, being 589 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 1: gay is beautiful, being black is beautiful. You know, everyone 590 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: should be loved and treated with equality, and I firmly 591 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 1: believe that. And so you know, again from from my heart, 592 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: I'm truly remorseful for the words that I used, you know, 593 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: back then, and I can assure everyone you know, anyone 594 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: who was offended, or I can assure you that you know, um, 595 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: I hear us. You you know I'm with you, and 596 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: I'm to devote my time and energy to staying up 597 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 1: for what's right. So well, I d back celebrate the 598 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: queer culture. This one thing that that though, like I 599 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: also think it's important, Like I think it's great that 600 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: we did bring it up to you because we love 601 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: you as a person, and I feel like that's what 602 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: people should do. I love that you were saying that 603 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: you are educating other people to like, hey, that's not 604 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: the word you want to use, and like us being 605 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: able to talk to you about it only educates more 606 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 1: people and tells people you know, we're way better than this. 607 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: Let's do better. And it's it's not to tear anybody down. 608 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: It's more of like we love you and we could 609 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: be your friends, and like let's fix it, and we 610 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: celebrate you and we support you, and that's all about 611 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: what that's what ally ship is about. It's and that's 612 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: why I say when I when we first brought you, 613 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: and I hate the cancel culture because if you just 614 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 1: totally cancel somebody and don't allow any sort of dialogue. 615 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: What's going to happen with that, It's gonna We're just 616 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 1: gonna keep perpetuating the same cycle. And so you know, 617 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: granted this isn't educating. Yeah, yeah, it's it's a start. 618 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: It's this is in the conversation. That's one and done 619 00:31:58,280 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: and we move on. It's something that I'm sure we'll 620 00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: be brought up, hopefully again and again and um and 621 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: that's that's what life is. You have to get a 622 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 1: couple of times. You have to have conversations like this. 623 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: Um So, justin thank you for that. Um I guess 624 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: with that it's a perfect segue into your date. Obviously, 625 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 1: we saw you have your first one on one with 626 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: Katie yesterday. Um Franco hosted it. Who I will say, 627 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:28,719 Speaker 1: Franco's one of my everything. I was obsessed with him 628 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: on your season. I think after your season somebody asked 629 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: if I had a crush on anyone, and I was like, yeah, Franco. 630 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: I love Franco. Um So, how, justin, how was that 631 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: meeting Franco? You know? And the first thing we saw 632 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: you do is you said I'm a hugger and you 633 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 1: hug him and you guys in Greece and have this moment. 634 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 1: But um, yeah, how was that one on one for you? 635 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: It was? It was incredible. And so you know the 636 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: episode before I got my first taste of Franco and 637 00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 1: the basketball date. Right, sorry Michael Ay once again, Gelloman 638 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: Bange is on the way once again. But I got 639 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: my first I got. I got my first taste of 640 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: Franco from the basketball day. And so when I turned 641 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 1: the corner with Katie and saw him again, like let's go. 642 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 1: You know, he's in a sequence outfit, full of vibrant energy, 643 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: you know, gave a big hug and I was like, 644 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: whatever we're doing, it's it's gonna be a fun date. 645 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: So um, I was. I was definitely happy to see him. 646 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: It was, I will say, though it was a really 647 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: awkward date. I'm not I was like you kind of 648 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,239 Speaker 1: bought it up because I even, like, I even had 649 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 1: a wedding date on my season and yours was like 650 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 1: very intense like you had. But like, also if there 651 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: wasn't an efficient, I thought Franco was going to come 652 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: in efficient. You literally don't had to stand up there 653 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: and just say your vows with Katie and be like Okay, 654 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: do I read first? And then yeah, like what's happened 655 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 1: to this now? Like it was? It was wild. So 656 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: literally I turned the corner and I was like secintation date. 657 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, so I know we're getting into I 658 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 1: literally I was like exactation date. And then so so 659 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: we Franko griefs us and he's like, you know, um, 660 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,839 Speaker 1: you two. I see the chemistry, a beautiful couple. It's 661 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: time to see if this can work. And he's like, 662 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 1: you're gonna be right in your valves and I'm like 663 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 1: he said what, I don't know what? I was like. 664 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't remember this part, and I 665 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 1: was like okay, So I'm thinking, I'm like are He's 666 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: gonna give me like ten to fifteen minutes, and so 667 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: he's like, Katie, I'm gonna have you step over to 668 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: the side. So he's talking to me one on one. 669 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: He goes, are you ready? I'm like ready to what 670 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,799 Speaker 1: like jots some stuff down. He's he's like he's like, no, 671 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: are you ready? And I was like ready for what 672 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,360 Speaker 1: a five minute? Warnings He's like, I'm like trying to 673 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 1: buy some time and he's like he's like no, He's like, 674 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,319 Speaker 1: I'll give you thirty to forty five seconds and then 675 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 1: you need to go. She's waiting over there at forty 676 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 1: so I'm like, I'm like, okay, uh, it's go time, right, 677 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: And I'm like listen, like I'm like, block out the cameras, 678 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: block out the fact that millions of people are gonna 679 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,319 Speaker 1: see this, hopefully not Bosch proposal, like it's my doing 680 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: this like some grace. So I go over it and 681 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 1: I just I mean, I blacked out. I could not 682 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: tell you, you you know, watching that. I'm just like, I 683 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: couldn't tell you what I said in the moment I 684 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,319 Speaker 1: love She said, yes, I guess it was. You did well. 685 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: I thought it was beautiful. Though, what is okay? Is 686 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:21,760 Speaker 1: one of your top love language is words of affirmation? Yes, yes, okay? 687 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 1: So I words of affirmation is not for me. I 688 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,800 Speaker 1: would have failed this date so miserably. It would have 689 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 1: been terrible. You did great, though, I understood that your 690 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 1: I will say, I think your viols are better than 691 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: Katie's at least, so I actually have to agree with that. Really, yeah, no, 692 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,239 Speaker 1: I so I will say she she caught me off 693 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 1: guard with with her she she brought it as well. Um, 694 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 1: and we joked about it kind of afterwards and we 695 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 1: were like, you know, how awkward this date could have 696 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,360 Speaker 1: potentially been, like quick like, it could have been awkward 697 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 1: and gone down back. So I'm glad that we had. 698 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: You know, obviously you take on one a moment if 699 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: you can get it right, but kind of like the 700 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,240 Speaker 1: way things played on my head, I'm like, like, wouldn't 701 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 1: mind getting it just around this time because we had 702 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: already built you know, a foundation through our you know, 703 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,400 Speaker 1: chats at cocktail parties, row ceremonies, and you know, we 704 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 1: were comforable with each other. So a day like this, 705 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 1: we're like, you gotta be comforable with each other or 706 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:26,399 Speaker 1: it's gonna be very terrible. So well, yeah, it could 707 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,799 Speaker 1: have been very awkward. But also it's probably one of 708 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,920 Speaker 1: the first moments that we actually saw you open up 709 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 1: a bit more and be more more vulnerable than what 710 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 1: we've seen. So what was that like for you? Was it? 711 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: You know, I know that you just said you kind 712 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 1: of had to get rid of the cameras and you know, 713 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 1: block out what was going on around you, But how 714 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 1: is that you know, knowing that you kind of have 715 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 1: to open up more and give more of your heart 716 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,319 Speaker 1: now to this woman with millions of people watching this 717 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,879 Speaker 1: one day. Yeah. So you know, one of the other 718 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 1: major takeaways from this whole experience is just the ability 719 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 1: that I've developed to just push myself beyond boundaries that 720 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 1: I thought existed previously, and you know, literally going through 721 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 1: this with no regrets, no hesitation. And you know, Katie 722 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,280 Speaker 1: and I had we had already established that that banter 723 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:16,879 Speaker 1: and that humorous side, right, And I was like, Okay, 724 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 1: I'm not going to take this as a joke and 725 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:20,839 Speaker 1: just you know, be funny, like I want to show 726 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 1: her that I can be serious and vulnerable. And I 727 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: was literally picturing like what this could potentially be like 728 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 1: you know, one day, right, And so I wanted to 729 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,840 Speaker 1: show her, you know, how serious it was to me. 730 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,359 Speaker 1: And that's what kind of drove me to just say, 731 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,799 Speaker 1: you know, like, eff, let's let's do it. You know, 732 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,359 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not holding back. I'm going to give 733 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 1: him my all and if I follow, my face off 734 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 1: all in my face. But at least I didn't knowing 735 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 1: I was trying to get one hundred percent. And that's 736 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:47,839 Speaker 1: kind of just the mindset that I had going into it. 737 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,440 Speaker 1: I have to say your reaction when you saw Katie, 738 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 1: Like when you turned around you saw her, Like my heart, 739 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:58,080 Speaker 1: I like clunched my job in the wedding drift. Yes, 740 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 1: when you saw her the first time, you can just 741 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: tell like you're really putting yourself in that moment and 742 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,800 Speaker 1: trying to be very present. And I just what was 743 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,800 Speaker 1: going through your mind when you saw her. Yeah, So 744 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 1: along the lines of like locking out all the cameras 745 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,719 Speaker 1: and really being present in that moment. And somehow I 746 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 1: was I was able to just like lock in and 747 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,839 Speaker 1: forget that I'm on on one on one date. Right, 748 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,719 Speaker 1: I'm like putting yourself in this moment like this is 749 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 1: real and your wife is walking down the aisle and 750 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 1: like my heart was literally racing. I'm like, Oh, this 751 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,359 Speaker 1: is what it's gonna feel like like on my wedding day. Right. 752 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,239 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like just to relax like it's a 753 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 1: one on one I'm like, it's a real way, I know, 754 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,319 Speaker 1: I'm like playing with myself like it's just a date. 755 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,799 Speaker 1: Like no, sounds more than that. And so I turned 756 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 1: out and I see her and she's gorgeous, right, So 757 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,680 Speaker 1: I'm just like, damn like it's hitting me right and 758 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 1: I'm like okay, like I'm really there, m yeah. And 759 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 1: then you know, like you said, she she walked down 760 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,520 Speaker 1: and I'm like waiting. I'm like, it's somebody like going 761 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 1: to come up and like this, and I'm like you 762 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,759 Speaker 1: go first. I go first, and it's like you may 763 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:08,239 Speaker 1: not just the bride. I'm like okay, yeah. That was 764 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 1: My favorite part is you guys, when I say it 765 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,440 Speaker 1: was awkward, it's because you you were kind of just 766 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,719 Speaker 1: like winging it, but you you were both officiating your 767 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 1: own faux wedding and know what, You're like, okay, this 768 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 1: comes next, we say I do, and then now you 769 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 1: can kiss the bride and it's just it was it 770 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,359 Speaker 1: was funny. You made it your own. Um. And going 771 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,120 Speaker 1: back to the whole vows, when I say Katie's were 772 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,759 Speaker 1: incredible too. So when she is not, they were, they were, 773 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 1: they were, and I feel like she really tailored them 774 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,799 Speaker 1: to you justin like she you know, talked about you 775 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,359 Speaker 1: as an artist and painting this canvas of your life. 776 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,400 Speaker 1: So when you heard her say these words, what was 777 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 1: going through your mind and your heart? Did you kind 778 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 1: of fall for her a little bit more in those moments, 779 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,799 Speaker 1: you know, as she's going through them, you know, like 780 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,000 Speaker 1: you said, she I can tell she told them to me. 781 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 1: And in that moment, I'm like, wow, Like, this woman 782 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,320 Speaker 1: is really listening to me when we talk, and she's 783 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,000 Speaker 1: really processing what I'm telling her, and I mean something 784 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,880 Speaker 1: to her because you know, we've got twelve other guys 785 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 1: at this point that she's you know, dating and having 786 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,720 Speaker 1: conversations with, and I'm like, for her to remember these 787 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,360 Speaker 1: these little things about me and incorporate them in our vows. 788 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,360 Speaker 1: Like that went a long way for me because you know, 789 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 1: I've talked to her about how important you know, being 790 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,560 Speaker 1: thoughtful and attentive and how detail oriented I am as 791 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,600 Speaker 1: a person. So to see her reciprocate that and show 792 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,760 Speaker 1: me that she hears me as well, I was like, Okay, 793 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,520 Speaker 1: you know, I this this, you know, this is special 794 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,920 Speaker 1: and I mean something to her. I'm not just you know, 795 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:47,319 Speaker 1: a number. You know, it wasn't just generic, you know. Yeah, 796 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,160 Speaker 1: it was a great feeling for sure. I will say 797 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,280 Speaker 1: sometimes those dates, I mean, as much as people love 798 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,480 Speaker 1: the adventurous dates and the excitement that comes with certain 799 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:02,560 Speaker 1: boucher a boutch herrette dates, dates like this, especially in 800 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,080 Speaker 1: this moment, you know, kind of halfway through the processes, 801 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,960 Speaker 1: men are going home and like real relationships are starting 802 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 1: to form, are so important where you can just there's 803 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 1: not a lot of hype around it, but it's just 804 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,839 Speaker 1: you too solely focus on each other and exchanging beautiful words. 805 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,440 Speaker 1: And yes, it's kind of weird that you're getting married 806 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,720 Speaker 1: right now, but those are the dates that I remember 807 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,200 Speaker 1: being the most special. Where I remember leaving those dates 808 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,640 Speaker 1: being like, Okay, I actually feel it with this person, 809 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,600 Speaker 1: or I could see a future with this person because 810 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,920 Speaker 1: of how they opened up, and just you know, it's 811 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,239 Speaker 1: just solely you're just zoned in on that one specific person. 812 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:41,440 Speaker 1: It's just more calm and chill. And you know that 813 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,360 Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't view it so much as I, 814 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,879 Speaker 1: oh my god, read a faux wedding. This is weird, right. 815 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,560 Speaker 1: I took it for what it was and kind of 816 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 1: like right peeled back to service of a layers, you know, 817 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,440 Speaker 1: to your point and saying, Okay, is there something substantial 818 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 1: actually here? Right? Because I think that was such a 819 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,160 Speaker 1: high risk Kira word date. You know, that was going 820 00:41:58,200 --> 00:41:59,840 Speaker 1: to let us know either way whether we had it 821 00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 1: or we didn't, and it uncovered you know, those layers 822 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,640 Speaker 1: of like, okay, can we be vulnerable with each other? Right? 823 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,320 Speaker 1: You know? So we had fun with it. We were vulnerable, 824 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,480 Speaker 1: like we covered every facet of what I was looking for, 825 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,080 Speaker 1: and I was really in a moment I was like, okay, 826 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,719 Speaker 1: like we've got something here, you know, because leading up 827 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,560 Speaker 1: into that, we had touched on, you know, some more 828 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,839 Speaker 1: serious topics, and we obviously had a lot of fun 829 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,960 Speaker 1: with each other. But when you when you drop us 830 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:26,759 Speaker 1: in this, you know, in a scenario like that, it's 831 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,000 Speaker 1: like you can't run from it. It's either gonna work 832 00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:33,359 Speaker 1: or it's not. You know, you went amazing. Yeah, that's 833 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:34,920 Speaker 1: what you're gonna go home to every day like that. 834 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,040 Speaker 1: You want to see if there's something like real there 835 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:41,759 Speaker 1: and the connection. You guys were definitely able to, I 836 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,520 Speaker 1: don't know, just again be more vulnerable and that really 837 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,439 Speaker 1: allowed her to tell you a really powerful story about 838 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:51,880 Speaker 1: her father later that night at dinner, and um, how 839 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,719 Speaker 1: much did that mean to you for her to be 840 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:59,080 Speaker 1: able to be that vulnerable and open about something so intimate? Really, Yeah, 841 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,399 Speaker 1: it meant the word ote to me because you know, 842 00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:07,439 Speaker 1: I historically had been a person who would really internalize 843 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,920 Speaker 1: everything and not really looked to you know, let my 844 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,960 Speaker 1: feelings out and express you know, how I'm feeling and 845 00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,120 Speaker 1: talk about hard topics. You know. I just I was 846 00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:17,640 Speaker 1: a person that I I always trying to figure stuff out 847 00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,440 Speaker 1: on my own, like I'm okay, I don't need it. 848 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,520 Speaker 1: And I had all in relationships, I you know, had 849 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,680 Speaker 1: always served as like that emotional support, right, and I'm like, 850 00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,799 Speaker 1: you know, like I gotta be the strong one. I'm 851 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,759 Speaker 1: not going to put this burden on you. And so 852 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,520 Speaker 1: I had struggled with that with us for a while, right, 853 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,720 Speaker 1: And so to see her open up and share something 854 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,400 Speaker 1: you know, so instrumental in her life, you know, I 855 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,880 Speaker 1: was like, Okay, she trusts me. You know this is 856 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,200 Speaker 1: you wouldn't just open up to somebody about that if 857 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,600 Speaker 1: you didn't trust them, and then being the world to me, 858 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,520 Speaker 1: because if you're going to spend the rest of your 859 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,560 Speaker 1: life with somebody, trust is a major pillar in a 860 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:57,240 Speaker 1: relation hip, right, And so you know, you know, along 861 00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,879 Speaker 1: the journey, there was a number of ways in which 862 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,879 Speaker 1: had you know, this innate ability to make you want 863 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,640 Speaker 1: to open up and trust her and be vulnerable. But 864 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,840 Speaker 1: that was one of those moments where I was like, Okay, like, 865 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,719 Speaker 1: I really don't need to hold back now. You know this, 866 00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,239 Speaker 1: This trust can go both ways, and I want to 867 00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,399 Speaker 1: show you that I love you. Yeah, I mean that 868 00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:21,040 Speaker 1: was a major, major I mean, you know, Katie has 869 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,560 Speaker 1: been open about her father passing away, but that was 870 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,839 Speaker 1: a major, I think moment in her life that definitely 871 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,560 Speaker 1: shaped her. And I mean just trying to put myself 872 00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,239 Speaker 1: in her position. If I didn't feel comfortable with somebody, 873 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,040 Speaker 1: I would not have shared that story. I would have 874 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,239 Speaker 1: waited for somebody that I could have opened up too. 875 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,239 Speaker 1: So I think it's a testament to what you guys 876 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,360 Speaker 1: shared earlier in the day to get her to that point. 877 00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:44,879 Speaker 1: And it was a really beautiful thing. And I think 878 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,959 Speaker 1: the way that you just supported her was incredible too. 879 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:52,680 Speaker 1: And I'm excited to see where this goes now because really, 880 00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,560 Speaker 1: up until this point, we haven't seen a ton of you, 881 00:44:55,719 --> 00:45:00,640 Speaker 1: i'd say, and so well we have, well, like not 882 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:07,359 Speaker 1: to a large extent. Okay, literally let it. We have 883 00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,600 Speaker 1: to get into that too, because we've seen so many 884 00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,520 Speaker 1: memes of you that are blowing up with your iconic 885 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:16,279 Speaker 1: facial expressions. So did you ever realize before going on 886 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:21,680 Speaker 1: the show like how you how you react to certain things? 887 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,400 Speaker 1: So yes and no. So my whole life growing up, 888 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,160 Speaker 1: I'd been told like you're so expressive, like you make 889 00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,480 Speaker 1: the craziest faces like YadA, YadA, YadA, and I'm just like, oh, 890 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,440 Speaker 1: like okay, sure, like what I've got major my eyebrows 891 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,800 Speaker 1: things like whatever, like and people are like, no, it seriously, 892 00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,680 Speaker 1: like you're so like going back to like middle school, 893 00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,960 Speaker 1: you know, like somebody would make you know. People would 894 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,960 Speaker 1: always turn to me and be like, we know you're 895 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:49,799 Speaker 1: gonna do something like we know you're facing gonna give 896 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,640 Speaker 1: it away, and I'm like, guys, like what do you mean? 897 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,080 Speaker 1: Like I'm just like I'm just reacting. Everyone does that right, 898 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,680 Speaker 1: And it wasn't until I saw myself one screen I'm like, 899 00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:02,759 Speaker 1: oh they weren't lying and there's time for Like I 900 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,640 Speaker 1: mean I knew. I knew like you know, drama and stuff. 901 00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,600 Speaker 1: I was like, okay, like knowing me like I probably 902 00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,759 Speaker 1: backted to it. But there's been some times where the 903 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,040 Speaker 1: camera flashed me. I'm like what was I Like, what 904 00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,520 Speaker 1: was I doing? What was going through my head? I 905 00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,920 Speaker 1: love it and like I'll sit back and literally like 906 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,640 Speaker 1: try to contort my face and remake those faces, and 907 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,000 Speaker 1: I can't do it. It's like such a moment and 908 00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,120 Speaker 1: I can't control it. And you know, I'm just you know, 909 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,959 Speaker 1: I'm a Gemini. I'm maybe I'm just part of being 910 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:34,120 Speaker 1: super you know, the dual personality. You probably just you 911 00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,279 Speaker 1: don't even realize. I think you're doing it in the 912 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,960 Speaker 1: moment too, because that's just like your actual thought. You're 913 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,160 Speaker 1: like this guy and like you just do like these 914 00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,040 Speaker 1: crazy things you don't even understand. I was on my 915 00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,160 Speaker 1: phone probably for fifteen twenty minutes other and I just 916 00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:50,799 Speaker 1: laughing at your facial expressions because they are so hilarious. Like, 917 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,880 Speaker 1: I don't know, I wish I was a little bit 918 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,640 Speaker 1: more expressive like that. I literally like, I mean, yeah, 919 00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,880 Speaker 1: I'm rolling stuff like that. It's like how I'm thinking, 920 00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,600 Speaker 1: but I don't realize like showing y'all how I'm feeling too. Yeah. 921 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,759 Speaker 1: I try. I tried to stay out of a lot 922 00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,640 Speaker 1: of the drama. I'm like, I'm gonna sit back here 923 00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:11,959 Speaker 1: and sit my tea. Do you are the drama that's 924 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:17,400 Speaker 1: always there's always one person each season that it's kind 925 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,400 Speaker 1: of is more removed from all of the actual craziness. 926 00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,000 Speaker 1: But when they just pan to you, it's like we 927 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,840 Speaker 1: always we obviously the narrator, we need somebody with the 928 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,040 Speaker 1: with the expression I get sent them left and right 929 00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,120 Speaker 1: and left and right. I'm like, guys, oh, I'm sure 930 00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,560 Speaker 1: you do. So I'm sure you do. And I feel 931 00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,000 Speaker 1: like your gifts are going to be used for a 932 00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:40,960 Speaker 1: very long time, so it keeps on giving. Um yeah, no, Justin, 933 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,000 Speaker 1: this has been absolutely incredible. I mean, I know that 934 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,040 Speaker 1: this wasn't the easiest conversation to get into, but we're 935 00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,360 Speaker 1: so glad that you were able to join us today 936 00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,719 Speaker 1: and not only talk about the show, but talk about 937 00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:56,439 Speaker 1: some actual, real life stuff that needed to be addressed. So, um, 938 00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:57,840 Speaker 1: we can let you go because I'm sure you're a 939 00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,839 Speaker 1: busy man, But before we have you go, we ask 940 00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,200 Speaker 1: all of our guests this that go through the show 941 00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,839 Speaker 1: so far up until this point, what has been your 942 00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:11,279 Speaker 1: rose and what has been your thorn of Katie season? Truly, like, 943 00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:16,880 Speaker 1: my biggest rose has been my personal growth in a 944 00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:21,239 Speaker 1: multitude of ways in terms of you know, holding myself accountable, 945 00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,960 Speaker 1: you know, knowing that you know, I don't have to 946 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:25,600 Speaker 1: be perfect all the time. I'm a human. I make 947 00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,680 Speaker 1: mistakes and it's okay. It's it's it's a matter of 948 00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,840 Speaker 1: how you respond to those errors and what you do 949 00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,000 Speaker 1: going forward to constantly try to become a better person 950 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,320 Speaker 1: than the bus version yourself, right, and so being okay 951 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,560 Speaker 1: with not being perfect and being human, being able to 952 00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:43,680 Speaker 1: open up and have tough conversations not just you know, 953 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,400 Speaker 1: dialogues like this, but you know with you know, my 954 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,480 Speaker 1: family and friends and things that I just you know, 955 00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,239 Speaker 1: said I would be I would internalize so much, you know, 956 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,360 Speaker 1: and just kind of breaking free of all of those 957 00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:58,719 Speaker 1: things that I didn't realize we're holding back before. You 958 00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,279 Speaker 1: know that that free me throughout this whole process. That's 959 00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,839 Speaker 1: that's by far been my my biggest rose. Um if 960 00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,000 Speaker 1: I have like a one B rose, it's the US. 961 00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,040 Speaker 1: It's the friendships with some of these guys. I mean 962 00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,200 Speaker 1: I went into this um it was like the typical 963 00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:18,319 Speaker 1: I'm not here to make friends, like yeah, yeah, I 964 00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,680 Speaker 1: really had no idea what the group of guys was 965 00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,120 Speaker 1: going to be. Like, Um, I was really worried. I 966 00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,239 Speaker 1: definitely had that that major sense of trepidation thinking that 967 00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,239 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a bunch of alphas who were just 968 00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,840 Speaker 1: you know, gonna be not nice guys, right, but it 969 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,080 Speaker 1: couldn't be farther from the truth. You know, my guy 970 00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,120 Speaker 1: you know, Breg andrew S, Michael A, Mike Pete, like 971 00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,879 Speaker 1: those those are my guys. And I've learned so much 972 00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,799 Speaker 1: from each and every one of them. And I love 973 00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:44,920 Speaker 1: the way that we support each other. We're there for 974 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,080 Speaker 1: each other. And I can go on about the group 975 00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,200 Speaker 1: of guys that are that are in that house. Um, 976 00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,960 Speaker 1: and I have I have brothers for life through this experience, 977 00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:54,640 Speaker 1: and I'm so appreciab of that. And it's something that 978 00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,920 Speaker 1: I did not expect at all. So that's my that's 979 00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:04,360 Speaker 1: my one b ros. Yeah, yeah, um and my thorn. 980 00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,840 Speaker 1: Sorry I should have an easier answer. Still worry about it. 981 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:12,880 Speaker 1: I'm really bad these things too, like coming up, like 982 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,600 Speaker 1: like not being able to shower and sleep when you 983 00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:20,799 Speaker 1: want it whatever it is. Oh okay, yeah, my my 984 00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,720 Speaker 1: biggest okay, yeah, my biggest thorn throughout the whole process 985 00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:29,640 Speaker 1: was definitely that's a good. Definitely like the loss of 986 00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:36,840 Speaker 1: the loss whoa, whoa, I'm just kidding, I just kidding, 987 00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:43,919 Speaker 1: just like actually stressed. Oh that is so funny. It's 988 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:49,360 Speaker 1: like losing all control of like being a normal working 989 00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,839 Speaker 1: human and like getting up when you want. I mean, 990 00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,319 Speaker 1: like you and Caitlyn came in and yeah, the way 991 00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,920 Speaker 1: y'all were beating on those pots and pants. I mean 992 00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,240 Speaker 1: I was like, listen, like I'm not a morning person 993 00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,600 Speaker 1: like they're like I was. I was shirt listening like guy, 994 00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,800 Speaker 1: you can get out there, like don't put clothes, and 995 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,839 Speaker 1: I was like, listen, I'm gonna put these slippers on. 996 00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,799 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put these slippers on, and I'm gonna put 997 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,760 Speaker 1: this hoodie on and I'll meet yall in five minutes. 998 00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,120 Speaker 1: Uh So, So just things like that, um not being 999 00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,800 Speaker 1: able to work out regularly and like lose his sleep 1000 00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,640 Speaker 1: and just you know, this is a story. It's crazy. 1001 00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:30,120 Speaker 1: It's different. Yeah, like being you know, a functioning adult 1002 00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,759 Speaker 1: in the real world and then coming to this environment 1003 00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,200 Speaker 1: where I mean, let's be honest, it's you're not on 1004 00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:39,239 Speaker 1: your own schedule. You have to adhere to there's so 1005 00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,680 Speaker 1: many people that work on the show, to the cruise 1006 00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,480 Speaker 1: time schedule, the producers like to katies, to everything. So 1007 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,719 Speaker 1: it's a it's a different, much much different environment I 1008 00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,480 Speaker 1: think than anyone would ever realize unless you go through it. Um, 1009 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,080 Speaker 1: I do want to ask this though, besides Blake, who 1010 00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,200 Speaker 1: really struggled with the what is it? The who? What 1011 00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,840 Speaker 1: do we call it? The woo woo woo whoa wow? 1012 00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:06,000 Speaker 1: Blake's a different animal. Um, we knew, we knew that 1013 00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:10,440 Speaker 1: was gonna be oh from him like that afternoon. I 1014 00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,200 Speaker 1: think I don't even want to know how you guys 1015 00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,080 Speaker 1: know that for a couple of days at this point, 1016 00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:21,560 Speaker 1: literally yeah no, oh my good, don't want to know 1017 00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:25,319 Speaker 1: this information. I know all of the who struggled the 1018 00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:31,400 Speaker 1: most after Blake, so uh no. So it's funny like 1019 00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:36,239 Speaker 1: I actually like, um, later on, like later on, you know, 1020 00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,880 Speaker 1: at Katie's checking in, like you know, how are you 1021 00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,239 Speaker 1: guys doing? You guys holding up? And I'm sitting there 1022 00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,600 Speaker 1: like I'm holding up and She's like, oh, I don't 1023 00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:47,319 Speaker 1: know if that's like I'm like, I'm doing it for you, 1024 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,120 Speaker 1: and she's like, I would have been like flattering if 1025 00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:58,680 Speaker 1: you weren't. So I was like, alright, like no matter what, yeah, yeah, 1026 00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,719 Speaker 1: but nah, I uh shout out to my other boy. 1027 00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,440 Speaker 1: I think I think Brendan may have struggled a little bit. 1028 00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:11,960 Speaker 1: I think, yes, I love this, I love getting is 1029 00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,560 Speaker 1: the Canadians. What's in the water up there? The water 1030 00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:16,799 Speaker 1: is different out there, I don't know. Thank you so 1031 00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,240 Speaker 1: much for coming today. I know it wasn't the easiest 1032 00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:23,440 Speaker 1: conversation to get into, but we thank you for not 1033 00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,480 Speaker 1: only joining us, but allowing us to have this dialogue. UM. 1034 00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,200 Speaker 1: One more thing before we let you go and get 1035 00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:34,040 Speaker 1: out of the podcast is UM, it's so important for 1036 00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:40,600 Speaker 1: everyone to just continually educate themselves, especially on topics that 1037 00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:44,960 Speaker 1: are real and that affect just us as human beings. UM. 1038 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,720 Speaker 1: And so for anyone who wants to learn more about 1039 00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,319 Speaker 1: what affects a queer community and how to be an 1040 00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,560 Speaker 1: ally and just resources and to learn more, UM, please 1041 00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,440 Speaker 1: head to the Trevor Trevor Project dot org. UM. You 1042 00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,239 Speaker 1: can learn more there. But also if you ever need 1043 00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,920 Speaker 1: more resources too, I'm happy to share some and justin 1044 00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:05,759 Speaker 1: sounds like you are a part of some as well, 1045 00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:07,640 Speaker 1: so I'm sure you'll have people reach out to you 1046 00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,839 Speaker 1: that we could love if you would share those as well, 1047 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,279 Speaker 1: if and when they do. But thank you for joining us. 1048 00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,080 Speaker 1: I'm Bachelor Happy Hour. I'm sure we will see you 1049 00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:19,280 Speaker 1: again at some point in this weird Bachelor Nation world. 1050 00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,640 Speaker 1: But yeah, it has been a pleasure, so thank you, 1051 00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,040 Speaker 1: Thank you both for having me. All right, take care 1052 00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:36,240 Speaker 1: fee later, go have fun touching your avocados, avocados confidence. Justin, 1053 00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:39,000 Speaker 1: we thank you so much for taking time out of 1054 00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,120 Speaker 1: your day to speak with us on something that is 1055 00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:45,239 Speaker 1: so important within the community, within our country. We need 1056 00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,839 Speaker 1: to keep this dialogue going. And for anyone out there 1057 00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,760 Speaker 1: who wants to learn more or to get more resources 1058 00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:55,080 Speaker 1: on how certain things, certain topics, and certain dialogue is 1059 00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,160 Speaker 1: affecting the queer community, please head to the Trevor Project 1060 00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:01,640 Speaker 1: dot org. Also, we can all be better allies at 1061 00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:03,960 Speaker 1: any point in time, so please head to the termin 1062 00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:07,880 Speaker 1: Project dot org to learn more. Ah Tasha, I'm very 1063 00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:13,440 Speaker 1: glad that we can have conversations like yes that aren't 1064 00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:17,919 Speaker 1: just recaps solely focused on only the show, because this 1065 00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,239 Speaker 1: is how I think growth is made. This is how 1066 00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:25,319 Speaker 1: people's mindsets are shifted. It's so important to realize who 1067 00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,320 Speaker 1: we were in our past, but how we can change 1068 00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:33,640 Speaker 1: and grow and continue uncomfortable conversations to move forward and 1069 00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,000 Speaker 1: just push the needle forward in life. And so I'm 1070 00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:37,959 Speaker 1: so glad that Justin was able to join us today 1071 00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,880 Speaker 1: for that. Absolutely and again, like how you said like, 1072 00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,800 Speaker 1: cancel culture is not something that I've ever been like 1073 00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,719 Speaker 1: a fan of, and you haven't, And that's not what 1074 00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,799 Speaker 1: the purpose of holding somebody accountable is. It's more so 1075 00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,480 Speaker 1: just educating and learning and bettering ourselves but also the 1076 00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:57,040 Speaker 1: people around us in our communities. And if that just is, 1077 00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,440 Speaker 1: you know, holy some accountable having this conversation and being like, hey, 1078 00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,239 Speaker 1: you could do better, and this is what it looks like. 1079 00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:07,720 Speaker 1: But I'm so happy he is actually immersing himself within 1080 00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,560 Speaker 1: the community and helping and becoming an ally on his own. 1081 00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:12,400 Speaker 1: Like that just goes right there to show you, like, 1082 00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,600 Speaker 1: really what kind of man he is. Yeah, And the 1083 00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,120 Speaker 1: fact that we were able to talk about these tweets 1084 00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:18,920 Speaker 1: that he did when he was fourteen years old, sixteen 1085 00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,719 Speaker 1: years old. I love that he said that they were 1086 00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,279 Speaker 1: wrong then and they still are wrong now, and he 1087 00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:29,200 Speaker 1: wasn't trying to look for any excuses or he was 1088 00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,319 Speaker 1: just trying to say I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah, that was great. 1089 00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,799 Speaker 1: But I think so often it's easy for people like 1090 00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,440 Speaker 1: playing into the cancel culture. It's easy for people to 1091 00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:42,800 Speaker 1: be reactive and not proactive. And what was great about 1092 00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,000 Speaker 1: having Justin on is that he wasn't just called out 1093 00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:49,040 Speaker 1: a couple days ago, and now he's like, oh shit, 1094 00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:51,279 Speaker 1: what can I do. He's already been putting in the 1095 00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,239 Speaker 1: work before this, he's been doing it, which and now 1096 00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,640 Speaker 1: it's like he's been doing it, but now he can 1097 00:56:56,760 --> 00:57:00,000 Speaker 1: help others do it too and share, because I'm sure 1098 00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,440 Speaker 1: people will reach out to him and people will write 1099 00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,000 Speaker 1: still question him, and so for him to be able 1100 00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,600 Speaker 1: to already be part of that and to share what 1101 00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,160 Speaker 1: he has learned and his resources, I think is so important. 1102 00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,319 Speaker 1: And so yeah, I'm really glad we were able to 1103 00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,359 Speaker 1: have him on because at first, and I will say this, 1104 00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,840 Speaker 1: like I don't like cancel culture, but also I'm no 1105 00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,160 Speaker 1: better at times, like I'll see something, to read something 1106 00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,280 Speaker 1: and it'll be like, f them, I don't even want 1107 00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,520 Speaker 1: to have a conversation. I got really defensive at person, 1108 00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:28,800 Speaker 1: like you're kidding me, Like really, I was kind of disappointed, 1109 00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,120 Speaker 1: But also at the same time, it's really nice to 1110 00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:35,000 Speaker 1: be able to have a civil conversation with somebody out 1111 00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,480 Speaker 1: of love and yeah, oh truly's out of respect and 1112 00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:39,800 Speaker 1: trying to learn exactly exactly. It's so neat, and so 1113 00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,160 Speaker 1: I'm glad that the three of us could sit down hopefully, hopefully, 1114 00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:47,080 Speaker 1: if nothing else, that allows people to take any bit 1115 00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,520 Speaker 1: of this conversation and be able to apply to their 1116 00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:52,800 Speaker 1: life as well. So a huge thank you to Justin, 1117 00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,640 Speaker 1: but a huge thank you to all of our incredible 1118 00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,840 Speaker 1: Happy Hour listeners. Thank you guys for hanging out with 1119 00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,480 Speaker 1: us once again. Please make sure to hit us up 1120 00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:02,400 Speaker 1: on social if you don't know where to do that, 1121 00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,080 Speaker 1: it is at Bachelor Happy Hour on Instagram and at 1122 00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:09,320 Speaker 1: Batch Nation Pods on both Facebook and Twitter. And as always, 1123 00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,320 Speaker 1: please don't forget to subscribe to our podcasts. You can 1124 00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,440 Speaker 1: do that on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, the Wandering App, or 1125 00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:18,200 Speaker 1: wherever you are listening to our sweet places right now. 1126 00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:21,440 Speaker 1: Thanks guys, take care bye,