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Speaker 1: Welcome in Tuesday edition Clay Travis bock Sexton Show, we

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Speaker 1: have got a fun one headed your way. As we

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Speaker 1: continue to discuss the fallout of Majuro being seized in Venezuela,

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Speaker 1: we are expecting for there to be I believe another

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Speaker 1: another out there of the Tim Walls press conferences as

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Speaker 1: his political career is in shambles. We will discuss all

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Speaker 1: of that with you and more. Will also open up

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Speaker 1: phone lines. We didn't take very many calls your talkbacks

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Speaker 1: as well, to allow you to ask the questions that

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Speaker 1: you may have surrounding everything having to do with the

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Speaker 1: Venezuela situation as well as maybe the Tim Walls continued

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Speaker 1: fallout because if Venezuela hadn't happened, the Minnesota fraud story

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Speaker 1: and the fact that Tim Walls has gone from what

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Speaker 1: two hundred and forty thousand votes away from being vice

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Speaker 1: president a heartbeat away from the presidency to basically having

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Speaker 1: his complete political career be over. And I don't know

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Speaker 1: about you Buck on this, but let's kind of dive in.

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Speaker 1: Do you agree with me that if Kamala hadn't picked

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Speaker 1: Tim Walls, he probably runs for governor again, gets elected.

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Speaker 1: People don't really pay that much attention to the Minnesota

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Speaker 1: fraud situation, just because Minnesota is not typically the focal

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Speaker 1: point of any major national news stories. And yes, the

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Speaker 1: fraud would have still existed, it would have been indefensible,

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Speaker 1: but it wouldn't have been out there in the public

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Speaker 1: arena to such an extent, and so Tim Walls would

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Speaker 1: have gotten re elected and he would have continued right

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Speaker 1: on with the path that he was already on.

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Speaker 2: Yes, in a twist of irony, the guy who Democrats

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Speaker 2: put forward to be the avatar of American masculinity is

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Speaker 2: losing his political future after one people questioning whether he

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Speaker 2: was a good avatar of that masculinity, broadly mocking him.

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Speaker 2: And two he is a household name now because of

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Speaker 2: his short and ill fated run, and therefore the wild

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Speaker 2: corruption that has been unearthed in Minneapolis is a much

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Speaker 2: bigger story because the governor of Minneapolis, Tim Walls, is

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Speaker 2: a national figure, which you would not have been before.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if I sat here right now and asked everybody,

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Speaker 2: if you don't live in the state of Idaho, who's

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Speaker 2: the governor of Idaho? Everybody, everybody knows the governor of Minnesota,

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Speaker 2: though no, by the way, no shade to the governor

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Speaker 2: of Idaho. I think he's a Republican. But I'm with you,

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Speaker 2: I don't know who the governor of Idaho is.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: He might be listening right now. We love Idaho and

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Speaker 1: we've always been a big fan of your work. To

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Speaker 1: celebrate your entire catalog. In fact, you know, when you

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Speaker 1: look at that, I think it's also emblematic. Did you

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Speaker 1: send out a tweet? I think I saw where you're

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Speaker 1: just like, what if Democrats are just horribly wrong about

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Speaker 1: everything anything?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: Yep, And I do think there's a lot of truth

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Speaker 1: to that. But to me, the Tim Walls entire experience

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Speaker 1: is indicative of the fact that democrats buy and large

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Speaker 1: look at voters. Like zoo animals they have to go

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Speaker 1: out in the wild, they look at men and they think,

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Speaker 1: you know, in the same way, was it Diane Fosse,

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Speaker 1: who was I think one of the great primatologists, If that's.

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Speaker 2: All Golla gorillas in the mist, and there was Jane

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Speaker 2: Goodall with the chimpanzees.

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Speaker 1: Yes, they would go out and they would sit in

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Speaker 1: the in the in the wild, and they would observe

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Speaker 1: what the chimpanzees did what the gorillas did in an

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Speaker 1: effort to understand how their society works. Democrats now are

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Speaker 1: like that with men that they they I'm not kidding

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Speaker 1: about this. They sit there and they they've got their

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Speaker 2: What we need.

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Speaker 1: We need a older white guy who wears cowboy boots

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Speaker 1: and carhart and knows how to go out and walk

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Speaker 1: around with a gun. And he used to coach high

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Speaker 1: school football. And you put all this together and it's

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Speaker 1: like they're trying to create an AI avatar of what

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Speaker 1: they think is going to be a man who connects

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Speaker 1: with other men. The problem is what they missed is

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Speaker 1: authenticity matters more than anything. You look, there are nerds

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Speaker 1: out there who are not the foundation of I think

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Speaker 1: necessarily to be like them. That could be really really popular, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I would say, no offense to him.

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Speaker 2: Ron DeSantis a little bit of a nerd, right And

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Speaker 2: and I don't mean that at a meeting at as

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Speaker 2: they called him. What was with the meat ball was

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Speaker 2: That never makes sense.

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Speaker 1: I met one of Ron DeSantis's fraternity buddies over over

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Speaker 1: he loves Ronda Santis with ever fiber and his being.

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Speaker 1: He said, the guy is the best at just doing jobs.

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Speaker 2: Say, if you need a guy who's just gonna build

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Speaker 2: you a shelf in the frat house, Ron de Santis

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Speaker 2: will build a shelf in the frat house that will

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Speaker 2: be there for generations. He's like, if you want a

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Speaker 2: guy that's gonna go out and pound a bunch of

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Speaker 2: beers and try to pick up girls.

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Speaker 1: Not Rond DeSantis's thing. And so he's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: the going on the campaign trail, which is in many

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Speaker 1: ways kind of a seductive thing, right, you got to

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Speaker 1: seduce voters, convince it a popularity contest. Yes, it's not

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Speaker 1: necessarily his thing. But every guy out there listening to

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Speaker 1: us right now, you're saying to yourself, you know what,

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Speaker 1: Ron Desantas, I wish it could be governor of Florida

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Speaker 1: for the next twenty years. He's done maybe the greatest

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Speaker 1: job as a governor that Florida has ever seen. And

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Speaker 1: so I Guess what I'm getting at is Democrats don't

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Speaker 1: understand men to such an extent that they don't understand

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Speaker 1: the wide range of masculinity that I think we're publicans

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Speaker 1: can end up supporting. And so they toss out this

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Speaker 1: fundamentally inauthentic guy in Tim Walls, and he instead of

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Speaker 1: actually convincing men that they should be voting for Kamala

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Speaker 1: and Walls, I.

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Speaker 2: Think he actually cost your votes.

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Speaker 1: I think it would have actually been better for Kamala

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Speaker 1: Buck if she if she had gone and just said, hey,

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Speaker 1: you know what, Gretchen Whitmer is my pick. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: got a double chick ticket. And it might have hurt her,

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Speaker 1: but I think she probably would have won Michigan.

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Speaker 2: I don't think she would have called it a double

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Speaker 2: chick ticket, but yeah, I hear what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: I mean the double dude ticket, double chick ticket. I

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Speaker 1: think she would have been better off. I don't like

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Speaker 1: Gretchen Whitmer, but I think Gretchen Whitmer is more authentic

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Speaker 1: as a governor than Tim Walls was. And I think

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Speaker 1: men might respect Gretchen Whitmer even more than they did

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Speaker 1: Tim Walls because he's so fake and so we start

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Speaker 1: which I think is kind of a remarkable story.

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Speaker 2: Let's be honest here, good chance that if you're wondering

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Speaker 2: Gretchen Whimper might beat out Tim Walls. If you're looking

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Speaker 2: for someone to choreograph your next uh green, I would

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Speaker 2: say Tim Walls is your Gretchen Whitmer might be better at

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Speaker 2: home repair than either you or I. Hold on, she

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Speaker 2: definitely is. I take no if my in laws are listening.

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Speaker 2: Every time. Every time my father in law shows up

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Speaker 2: here to visit, it's like a trade. He gets to

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Speaker 2: see his grandchild and his daughter, and I get to

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Speaker 2: present him with the list of things in the house

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Speaker 2: that are broken that I don't know how to fix.

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Speaker 2: It's great, Laura.

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Speaker 1: Laura is the same way my father in law can

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Speaker 1: fix everything as an engineer. And you know, he just

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Speaker 1: shows up and by the way, he's about to be eighty.

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Speaker 2: Happy early eightieth birthday to.

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Speaker 1: My father in law, and he's still infinitely better at

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Speaker 1: fixing anything in the house.

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Speaker 2: So look, I'm not claiming that at least at least

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Speaker 2: you drive way too fast like a maniac and are

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Speaker 2: ready for the F one circuit. I drive slow. This

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Speaker 2: is why I have to go in my free time

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Speaker 2: and shoot lots of guns and do tactical training on

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Speaker 2: a light bulb and driving like a little old lady.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know you're driving like miss Daisy is is

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Speaker 1: definitely I was. I was doing all that this, actually

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Speaker 1: thought about this.

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Speaker 2: He should, they said, he should just say thank you

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Speaker 2: Buck for keeping me safe. But instead I get all this.

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Speaker 1: You know, when they were talking about the CIA agents

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Speaker 1: who were in in Venezuela, the officer I always get

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Speaker 1: that wrong. But the CIA officers who are in Venezuela.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking to myself, you know, this could have

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Speaker 1: been a job for Buck. But hopefully they were never chased,

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Speaker 1: no evasive driving skills. He would be obeying whatever the

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Speaker 1: we might not have gotten Maduro.

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Speaker 2: Just because you don't drive fast enough. It's called going

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Speaker 2: low profile low viz. You obey the local traffic ordinances,

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Speaker 2: so you don't arouse suspicion. Clay, that's how highly trained

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Speaker 2: I am. They would think that I'm a retiree on

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Speaker 2: vacation there. They would never suspect. How many Americans are

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Speaker 2: there in Venezuela. By the way, do we know like

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Speaker 2: actually in Venezuela. It's a great question. I mean if

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Speaker 2: the number is a lot less now than I mean

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Speaker 2: down for a long time. I mean, the State Department

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Speaker 2: has had to do not travel order up for Venezuela

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Speaker 2: for quite some time. I think, so it hasn't been

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Speaker 1: This is my My boys are not going to shock

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Speaker 1: you that as soon as we rated Venezuela. My boys

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Speaker 1: are super sports fans. One of my sons said is

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Speaker 1: Ronald Alcunya. Okay, Ronald Lacunya is the star Venezuelan baseball

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Speaker 1: player of the Atlanta Braves, and a lot of I

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Speaker 1: mean this is true, A lot of baseball players in

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Speaker 1: the off season go to Venezuela. Whether's perfect Baseball is

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Speaker 1: hugely popular there. And so there are a lot of

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Speaker 1: Major League Baseball players in Venezuela, I think right now

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Speaker 2: No, maybe, uh, Venezuela. We decide we get Look, you

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Speaker 2: can't make him citizens. They're not Americans, they're they're they're Latinos,

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Speaker 2: they're South Americans and Latinas. But you know, maybe we

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Speaker 2: maybe jar Miller. I don't know if he's officially being

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Speaker 2: called that yet, but Stephen Miller in the White House,

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Speaker 2: if in fact he gets the Venezuela portfolio we moved toward,

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Speaker 2: Venezuela becomes like Guam, but a lot bigger and with

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Speaker 2: a lot more oil. Like you're not you're not going

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Speaker 2: in our You're exactly like the US Virgin Islands, except.

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Speaker 1: With a territorial law. By the way, cleaning up a

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Speaker 1: couple of things. We are big fans of uh uh,

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Speaker 1: Let's make sure that I get this right. We are

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Speaker 1: big fans of Brad Little, current governor of Idaho. No one,

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Speaker 1: no one bigger fans than us.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's make sure you get it right. Because you've

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Speaker 2: thinking about Brad a lot lately. Yes, I have. I've been.

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Speaker 1: I've been thinking we need to talk about what the

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Speaker 1: job Brad's doing in Idaho?

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Speaker 2: Do you know what the truth is? Thought? Can I

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Speaker 2: just really quick, Clay, The reason we don't talk about

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Speaker 2: he's not the focus of commentary is a good thing. Grock,

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Speaker 2: So we can grock that one. By the way, Clay

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Speaker 2: And also, just because you're a civil war nerd self

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Speaker 3: Can you say that military action against Greenland is off

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Speaker 3: the Greenland has a population of thirty thousand people, Jake,

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Speaker 3: The real question is about what right does Denmark is

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Speaker 2: It is a really great question why Denmark just has Greenland,

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Speaker 1: So thirty two of them killed, and I don't know

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Speaker 1: you think why would she said publicly, oh, I'm not

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Speaker 2: I have a very I have a very different feeling

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Speaker 2: of basic self preservation, now understand, we can get you

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Speaker 1: Your your take is that they're just getting in line

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Speaker 1: My thought though, is for the President to have come

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Speaker 1: VP may have been one of the sources that helped

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's yeah, there's we could we could speculate.

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Speaker 2: It's impossible to know the inner workings here of this

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Speaker 2: I would say that on this front, though, the Iraq

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Speaker 2: Pretty much any military intervention we take anywhere in the world,

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Speaker 2: it could always go wrong, it could always get worse.

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Speaker 2: That's true, but that's not necessarily helpful or insightful. I

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Speaker 2: think that the lesson we've learned in the in the

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Speaker 2: Iraqi context is the big mistake that was made early on.

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Speaker 2: This was actually before I was in the Iraq office

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Speaker 2: at the cia UH. But the big, the big mistake

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Speaker 2: was debatification, right, because that meant that whether you were

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Speaker 2: like a traffic cop in a you know, in doing

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Speaker 2: the most basic stuff in Baghdad, all the way up

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Speaker 2: to the Minister of Defense, you were now not allowed

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Speaker 2: to be a part of the new governing Okay. So

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Speaker 2: basically everybody with training in a gun and any authority

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Speaker 2: in the country was told, you got nothing to do,

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Speaker 2: you have no source of income, go home and you know,

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Speaker 2: pound sand sand, yes, and And the truth is that

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Speaker 2: was a huge, huge, huge mistake, and we're not going

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Speaker 2: to do that in Venezuela because I think we've learned

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Speaker 2: that lesson, which is you work with It's funny because

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Speaker 2: Rumsfeld actually had a great insight about this. You go

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Speaker 2: to war with the army you have, you have really

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Speaker 2: you have a new regime in Venezuela with the pieces

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Speaker 2: you've got in place. You don't try to build this

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Speaker 2: isn't you break it, you buy it? The Cold and

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Speaker 2: Powell thing this is we have to work with the

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Speaker 2: existing realities of power on the ground and use the

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Speaker 2: leverage that we have. In this case, the huge leverage

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Speaker 2: of you want to oil the flow or not, because

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Speaker 2: that's without that, you guys got nothing. Basically, your economy

462
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Speaker 2: is on its ass and you can't pay your bills

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Speaker 2: and you know there's no food on the shelves. So

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Speaker 2: we have tremendous leverage. And I think that leverage is

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Speaker 2: of course economic. But then also on the security side,

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Speaker 2: who really wants to play games with a merit with

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Speaker 2: when you just saw like imagine you are, whether it's

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Speaker 2: the VP or Clay. They got a cast of characters. Man.

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Speaker 2: The Minister of Defense is actually named for Vladimir Lenin.

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Speaker 2: His name is Vladimir Padrino. His parents are such kammies

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Speaker 2: that they named him for Vladimir Lenin. He's a whack job.

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Speaker 2: I think he has a fifteen or twenty five million

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Speaker 2: dollar bounty on his head. The Minister of Police basically

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Speaker 2: like National Police Guy ors Internal Security guy. He has

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Speaker 2: a TV show that he runs, this.

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Speaker 5: Is true, a TV show where called the or hit

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Speaker 5: it with a sledgehammer, where he on TV talks about

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Speaker 5: like politics and stuff, and he has a bat with

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Speaker 5: nails in it, like the guy from The Walking Dead.

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Speaker 2: Okay, these are the people that run this country. This guy,

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Speaker 2: of course been involved all kinds of oppression. Do they

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Speaker 2: want to be a part of doing things better or

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Speaker 2: do they want to get a knock on the door

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Speaker 2: from Delta Forest at five am? That's where they are now.

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Speaker 2: I also think.

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Speaker 1: If you combine Iran and Venezuela, you have these countries

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Speaker 1: where the leadership has been telling the people for decades generations, now, hey,

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Speaker 1: we are standing up to American imperialism. We're not gonna

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Speaker 1: be bullied by Israel. We're not gonna be bullied by

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Speaker 1: the West. And then they can't even keep their president

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Speaker 1: from getting taken right out of his house and thirty

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Speaker 1: two of his top bodyguards being wiped out, and they

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Speaker 1: can't stop their nuclear ambitions. They can't even stop America

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Speaker 1: and Israel from flying over them them. I think what

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Speaker 1: we are seeing is a major geopolitical realignment.

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Speaker 2: It feels early.

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Speaker 1: You and I were kids in nineteen eighty nine when

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Speaker 1: the Berlin Wall came down, But man When I look

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Speaker 1: at these protests that are going on in Iran, when

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Speaker 1: I see what's going on in Venezuela, when I see

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Speaker 1: what's going on in Cuba, it feels like the forces

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Speaker 1: of repression and the forces of socialism and communism are

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Speaker 1: Look they've lasted, maybe longer than people thought, because there

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Speaker 1: was the argument after nineteen eighty nine that we had

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Speaker 1: reached the end of history because every country was effectively

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Speaker 1: going to become a democratic republic embracing capitalism because it

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Speaker 1: is the best form of government for the overall freedom

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Speaker 1: and and financial success of everyone. That is a reality.

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Speaker 1: But they've held on. And it feels like Trump is

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Speaker 1: maybe in a Ronald Reagan like fashion, in standing up

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Speaker 1: against it in a way that others have not been

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Speaker 1: willing to, and challenging it directly in a way that

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Speaker 1: others have not been willing to, almost pushing these last

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Speaker 1: vestiges of left wing excess off the off the cliff.

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Speaker 1: Am I crazy? Or do you see that? And I

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Speaker 1: know Iran is different because it's a theocracy in many ways,

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Speaker 1: but what it has in common is just a repression

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Speaker 1: of people and a restriction of their ability to be

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Speaker 1: exposed to the larger marketplace of ideas in the world,

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Speaker 1: and it feels like they are all starting to crumble

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Speaker 1: simultaneously based on the strength being shown by President Trump.

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Speaker 2: I think they're being put on their back foot for sure.

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Speaker 2: I mean one of the one of the stories that

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Speaker 2: has come out of this raid is that the Chinese

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Speaker 2: provision of steamingly or supposedly sophisticated surface to air missiles,

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Speaker 2: air defense radars including or aerial defense radars, including anti

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Speaker 2: stealth technology, things like that, we're a total joke. So

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Speaker 2: whatever the Chinese were giving the Venezuelans as their client

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Speaker 2: state to help them protect their territory was a joke.

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Speaker 2: And this certainly also affects thinking about something like a

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Speaker 2: taiwan situation, where turning off the lights for the Taiwanese

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Speaker 2: and you know, cyber and things like that whole different

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Speaker 2: level of complexity and ballgame than doing it in Venezuela.

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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna sorry for the yeah, for the Taiwanese.

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Speaker 2: So the Chinese would have their hands full on something

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Speaker 2: like that, And clearly America still has some military advantages

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00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 2: that allow us to do something like this. So I

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Speaker 2: think that's that's a lesson that a lot of our

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00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 2: adversary take out of this. But you know, look Russia,

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Speaker 2: as long as the world still runs on hydrocarbons, Russia

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Speaker 2: is gonna have tons of money, a big military, lots

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Speaker 2: of nukes, and the ability to throw its weight around.

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Speaker 2: China's a billion people and the second largest economy in

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Speaker 2: the world. You know, these are taking a step back.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't mean these places are about to fall or crumble.

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Speaker 2: You think about something like the Assad regime, Clay, the

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Speaker 2: Assad regime in Syria. It got to a point in

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Speaker 2: twenty eleven, twenty twelve where there were actually suicide bombers

549
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Speaker 2: infiltrating like the inner sanctum of the Assad regime, like

550
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Speaker 2: they were right on the ropes. But you go back

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Speaker 2: to the eighties and what was it Tom Friedman with

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Speaker 2: Hama rules and the leveling of Hama after an uprising.

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Speaker 2: There these guys, these scumbag tinpot dictators, theocrats, whatever, all

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Speaker 2: they really focus on is staying in power because that's

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Speaker 2: their whole. So even when everything around them is crumble,

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Speaker 2: I mean, look at North Korea, even when everything around

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Speaker 2: them is crumbling and falling apart, even when by all

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Speaker 2: rights and sanity they shouldn't be able to hang on.

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Speaker 2: They hang on, you know, this is what's so. I

560
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 2: just don't want to get too far. Like we've been

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Speaker 2: talking about Iran falling for as long as I've been alive.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, and by the way, Maduro, to your point,

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Speaker 1: Trump offered him a gilded existence in a foreign country, Turkey,

564
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Speaker 1: I think where he could live in, you know, splendor

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Speaker 1: and excess for the rest.

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Speaker 2: By the way, better weather than Russia, at least you

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Speaker 2: for long the coast you go to like ismir or

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Speaker 2: something decent. Kebab you get donn Air kabab with the yogurt,

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Speaker 2: very good, definitely better than a New York City prison.

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Speaker 2: Better food than Russia, for sure. I wouldn't get that

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Speaker 2: excited about the the Asad move, Like apparently he just

572
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 2: plays FIFA the soccer game or not it's Fifa FC now.

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Speaker 2: He plays like soccer video games all day in a

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Speaker 2: You see that in an apartment in Mosque, really really funny.

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Speaker 2: Moscow's cold in the winter, man, I take my eggs out.

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Speaker 2: What would be your if it had to be like

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Speaker 2: you can't do like Switzerland or England or something. If

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Speaker 2: you had to do a kind of adversary country, which

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Speaker 2: Turkey is not really an adversary. They're kind of a

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Speaker 2: midway paying the butt for US. But you know they're

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Speaker 2: an ally in some ways too. I know they're NATO.

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Speaker 2: What would be your country of exile? Oh, I would

583
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Speaker 2: go to like the British Virgin Islands. No, no, that

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Speaker 2: doesn't count. I'm talking of You got to go somewhere

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Speaker 2: that has like no extradition treaty. Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: There's not that many great non extradition treaty country. Yeah. No, no,

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Speaker 2: dub buddy. Vietnam I think would be pretty high on

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Speaker 2: my list. Vietnam. I like the food.

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Speaker 1: You know, you have to be concerned that they might

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Speaker 1: because like Vietnam has pretty good relations now with the

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Speaker 1: United States, So you have to become an extraditible.

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Speaker 2: They could offer you up. I mean, the only place

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Speaker 2: is where you are one hundred percent not getting turned

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Speaker 2: out if you are in the world, really are Russia

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Speaker 2: and China. I think that's really North Korea if you

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Speaker 2: could get in Okay, I'm sorry, Yeah, no, North Korea too.

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Speaker 2: But the only place is where there's zero chance that

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Speaker 2: if they don't want you to get turned over, you're

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Speaker 2: not getting turned over? Are those countries you could say, Oh,

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Speaker 2: what about like European allies, We can bring a lot

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Speaker 2: of pressure.

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Speaker 1: To be I think Russia, look, whenever the Ukraine War ends,

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Speaker 1: which I think will happen at some point in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty six, I think relations between Russia and the United

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Speaker 1: States could be decent. I think you might start to

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Speaker 1: have people just kind of get handed back and forth.

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Speaker 1: I was reading a good story about Witkoff and his

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Speaker 1: relationship with Putin and how that entire process came to

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Speaker 1: be when they got Fogel I think was his name

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Speaker 1: I'll do it, no preconditions. And you know, he gets

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Speaker 2: You know we have a YouTube channel. Uh, it's uh

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Speaker 2: Clay and Buck on YouTube and it's growing and growing

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Speaker 2: and this year we're gonna be doing a lot more

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Speaker 2: video And let me give you a little teaser here.

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Speaker 2: If you want to know how much Clay loves the

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Speaker 2: Christmas season, just check out our YouTube channel today after

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Speaker 2: you subscribe and see how his beard has gone fully

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Speaker 2: white like Santa Claus. It's amazing. He's decided, in solidarity

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Speaker 2: with say Nick to have a almost entirely white beard. Clay,

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Speaker 2: I am impressed.

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Speaker 1: I have not trimmed my beard since we left the

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Speaker 1: air on December nineteenth, so I let it go pretty

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Speaker 1: substantial and it is super super white. And also I'm

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Speaker 1: told that I look, according to producer Ali, a bit

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Speaker 1: like Kramer on Seinfeld when he was overly tanned, at

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Speaker 1: least based on the video footage. Right now now, I'm

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Speaker 1: super tan because I was down in the Caribbean for Christmas.

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Speaker 1: But you'll only be able to see that if you

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Speaker 1: go and subscribe to YouTube channel.

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Speaker 2: Do you like to be called Father Christmas as part

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Speaker 2: of the season? Do you wear a red suit? Like?

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Speaker 2: How do you really engage with this big white beard Clay.

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Speaker 1: I'm a jolly fellow and I'm getting fatter, so this

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Speaker 1: might be my future