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Speaker 1: What's up makee?

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Speaker 2: Well, despite not thinking like I had enough intelligent things

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Speaker 2: to say about the Madrid tournament and tennis, it turns

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Speaker 2: out we don't even have to talk about the Madrid

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Speaker 2: tournament and tennis. We can talk about everything else that

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Speaker 2: happened at the Madrid tournament.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad you decided to chip in on that,

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Speaker 3: because you know I've been hustling and hustling you for

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Speaker 3: a couple of days. Now, I'm like, Kaylin, sometimes we

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Speaker 3: don't need to talk about tennis.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes we don't need to talk about the winners and

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Speaker 3: Although I'll give you a little quick recap for all

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Speaker 3: of you tennis and nuts. Obviously we saw Sablenka win

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Speaker 3: against Igasciantek. Now I wasn't surprised about that result, to

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Speaker 3: be quite honest, because look, Madrid is outitude, a little

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Speaker 3: bit of altitude. It always helps the big servers, big returners,

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Speaker 3: big ball strikers, players that not necessarily are true grinders

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Speaker 3: of clay. And I say that because Rafael Nadal, for example,

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Speaker 3: that season Rome, you know, Monte Carlo, Barcelona, etc. I'm

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Speaker 3: fairly sure he's won all of them, like at least

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Speaker 3: ten times, So it doesn't necessary lends itself to you know,

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Speaker 3: your typical a play court player. So I wasn't super

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Speaker 3: shocked that she last. I actually thought I actually gave

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Speaker 3: she's playing great. You know, they played each other recently

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Speaker 3: her and it helps her big serve and when we

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Speaker 3: saw it, it was very much on display. And ego

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Speaker 3: as she played to get to the final, as well

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Speaker 3: Sablanca the edge because of the way she played. Now,

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Speaker 1: And then the.

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Speaker 3: Flip side is I chocked at all that alchoraz One

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Speaker 3: and look at the guy he played in the final.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Struff is a servant volleyer essentially, and a

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Speaker 3: guy that comes in the net quite a lot with

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Speaker 3: a big flat surf that lost in qualities and you know,

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Speaker 1: So you know the guy.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't surprised to see that guy in the final too,

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Speaker 3: So you know, for everyone they're hanging their hats.

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Speaker 1: On the results in Madrid, Calm the farm. Let's wait

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Speaker 1: for Rome.

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Speaker 2: It is a little bit in the clear court season

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Speaker 2: because as you said, it's the altitude. We've had some

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Speaker 2: other sort of I don't want to say unorthodopt champions,

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Speaker 1: That's it.

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Speaker 2: I was so excited about the quality of the match,

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Speaker 2: especially on the women's side. Well, the both matches were

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Speaker 2: really quality. The quality of the Eager Shirn Tech Arena

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Speaker 2: sabille A matchup is only getting better and more exciting.

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Speaker 2: I thought both of those players played really well. And also,

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Speaker 2: you know, I've upset the country of Poland by saying,

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Speaker 2: have lots of other terrible opinions that you probably will hate,

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Speaker 2: like I don't really like dogs, or you know I

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Speaker 1: It's a wonder. It's actually a wonder wear friends, to

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Speaker 2: But I love watching Egle play when she's playing against

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Speaker 2: which she does impeccably, probably better than anybody else playing.

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Speaker 2: Certainly on the women's side. She reminds me a lot

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Speaker 2: her play against Arena Sabalaka because the two of them

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Speaker 2: this is a rivalry I'm superhero for and the match

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Speaker 2: Those are her words, not mine, her words. But I

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Speaker 2: wonder what you think about that, because Carlitos, you know,

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Speaker 1: Quite Oh yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 3: I mean no one would have if you had said,

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Speaker 3: I'll give you ten million.

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Speaker 1: Dollars or you pay me a hundred.

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Speaker 3: You'd take that back. There's no way you would think

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Speaker 3: no question. Look, as I said, look the guy, he's

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Speaker 3: Surprise ultimately, with the way he plays with the big serve,

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Speaker 1: So so, but it was nice. It was nice to

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Speaker 3: Obviously, the Spanish crowd, you know, they just everybody loves

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Speaker 3: Great men's doubles match too, you know, between two really

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Speaker 1: You know, get to have a funny speech. They were

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Speaker 3: You know, he's like my childhood friend and hutching off

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Speaker 3: and he's actually he's actually playing again this week. There's

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Speaker 3: decide that, you know what, there've been a little bit

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Speaker 2: Explain cake gate. She and Carlitos Alcarez both had birthdays

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Speaker 1: That was Arena Arena that's what I said.

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Speaker 2: Oh sorry, Arena had cake given to her. That was

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Speaker 2: a nice little cake. And then Carlos Alcharrez looked like

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Speaker 2: And again I didn't really like, who cares. I don't

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Speaker 1: Let's not forget.

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Speaker 3: He was also given his on the court and she

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Speaker 1: Here go, thanks for coming. So that was another thing.

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Speaker 3: But we also haven't spoken about the bowl girls out

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Speaker 3: fits on Senate court, like so sexist, so misogynists to

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Speaker 3: put these girls on Senate court in these outfits, like

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Speaker 3: come on, just put them in a regular, like ball

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Speaker 1: But no, I mean, they've been doing that for years,

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Speaker 3: Touched upon it from time to time, but it was

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Speaker 3: just the it was just the escalating layer upon layer

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Speaker 3: nothing about this until literally and Vika Azarenka said it

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Speaker 3: again today on the coverage.

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Speaker 1: No one told them.

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Speaker 3: They just literally as they were walking up there were like, oh,

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Speaker 2: By the way, is incredibly resulting. It's incredibly insulting and

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Speaker 2: it's unheard of. Also, Jessica Goula and Kogogofu ended up

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Speaker 2: also like formidable singles players. So these are like name

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Speaker 3: Player, the number three player in the world, the number

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Speaker 3: Vika Azarenka and ha Dad Maya.

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Speaker 1: Okay, not as.

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Speaker 4: This is.

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Speaker 1: You didn't see him go, well, look we're not going

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Speaker 2: Can't be trusted to say only complimentary things, so you

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: They also it wasn't like it was asking of eager

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Speaker 2: the women bearing the brunt of that was in correct.

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Speaker 2: She was completely correct. Until Youga's great credit, she's been

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Speaker 2: a very outspook and consistently, I think, sort of activist

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Speaker 2: number one player, which is awesome. You know, there should

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Speaker 2: be room in tournament discourse for people to have, you know, opinions.

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Speaker 2: At the same time, I think all of these players

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Speaker 2: twenty five point manifesto, which is not what she did,

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Speaker 2: and it's also not what you know Arena Sabalanka did

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Speaker 2: Tyriac owned the tournament, and you thought when he sold

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Speaker 2: it to IMG a few years ago they would have

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Speaker 2: ended the practice. They didn't, even though by the end

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Speaker 2: I tried not to talk about this because I really

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Speaker 2: harangue everyone, but it just kept happening, and the women

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Speaker 2: to be clear, has never been one of my favorite tournaments.

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Speaker 2: I don't like the opt optics of Madrid. I don't,

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Speaker 2: watching it from sort of like you know, Star Wars

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Speaker 2: esque Imperial Destroyer. Just you look at how beautiful the

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Speaker 1: Ladies, hope will hopefully you come back next year. I'd

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Speaker 3: How many days has this happened since. And guess who

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Speaker 1: That's it.

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Speaker 3: You don't have to go into big fucking like you know, uh, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, yeah, you don't have to come out with a

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Speaker 2: So I don't disagree with any of that. And like

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Speaker 1: With doing this.

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Speaker 3: Caitlin, They literally silenced women. They literally silenced those women

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Speaker 1: Fuck you are you kidding me?

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Speaker 3: Like sorry, we're not quite sure what you're gonna say,

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Speaker 1: Let us speak.

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Speaker 3: They already told us, like how embarrassing, How embarrassing now

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Speaker 1: Please have a word to your players. We appreciate, we

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Speaker 3: We're very apologetic, we're very sorry. We're internally looking at this.

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Speaker 1: But to actually go up to.

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Speaker 2: And I do have some breaking news. I do have

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Speaker 3: Why what, in my opinion, what is the I want

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Speaker 3: to hear from the WTI. What are the WTI saying

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Speaker 3: about these Like, Honestly, if I'm the WTA representative, which

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Speaker 3: they're all out there, you always hear them site. We'd

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Speaker 1: The bubble.

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Speaker 3: Why aren't they saying, well, were time out? You're not

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Speaker 3: that's not happening today. You are letting out players speak

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Speaker 3: I'm like, hell no, So why did that happen in

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Speaker 1: Is what I want to know.

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Speaker 3: Again, I'm asking the questions that that should be answered already.

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Speaker 2: Yeah you are. And I think the my point about

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Speaker 2: these tours just haven't embraced They don't like people telling

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Speaker 2: That again hasn't happened in tennis because everybody's sort of

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Speaker 2: give the microphones to Beatrice Hadad Maya, Victoria Azarenka, co

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Speaker 3: I just think yeah for me, And if they if

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Speaker 1: Well, we're going to let you have a speak. We're

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Speaker 3: And the fact that they've taken this guy four days now,

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Speaker 2: Can't see his name, like it's a pretend guy. You're like, quote, une.

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Speaker 3: wait a second, a second. You four days to say, oh, look,

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Speaker 2: And I think, honestly, the thing that I'm sort of

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Speaker 2: not want to say positive or excited about because I

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00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 2: think emotionally we're both having very intense responses to this.

436
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,960
Speaker 2: But I think for me what's exciting about it is

437
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,720
Speaker 2: that they had to apologize again. Is it enough?

438
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:47,640
Speaker 1: No? Is it too late?

439
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:53,080
Speaker 2: Yes? Is it indicative of a subculture, especially with that

440
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 2: tournament in particular, but many many others, like Rome, for example,

441
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,160
Speaker 2: which is not paying women equally, Cincinnati, which we should

442
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,359
Speaker 2: talk about, which does and also pay women equally, But

443
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,639
Speaker 2: I think there's hope on the horizon. What I like

444
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 2: about this story and why I'm happy we're talking about it,

445
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 2: and why I finally agreed despite not having watched every

446
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 2: second of tennis and not wanting to come off as

447
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:15,639
Speaker 2: ill prepared, is just that I think that the media

448
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 2: and the blogs and the Twitter and the players themselves

449
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:24,680
Speaker 2: have started speaking up, being a little bit more diligent,

450
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 2: being a little bit more present, and realizing how much

451
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,680
Speaker 2: tennis should be covered. And what was impressive to me

452
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 2: is the stories didn't come from the usual sources that

453
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,119
Speaker 2: usually only cover tennis, and they do it in a

454
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 2: way that's like a little bit kid gloves, you know,

455
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,160
Speaker 2: like the WTA and ATP's own media channels they had.

456
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,880
Speaker 2: It was beyond sort of you know, tennis dot com,

457
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,719
Speaker 2: which tends to be again pretty soft. It was from

458
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 2: real newsplaces. It was from the New York Times, it

459
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 2: was from the Daily Mail, it was from the New

460
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 2: It was from the BBC. This got picked up and

461
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 2: actually carried by real meat. Yeah, and I think for

462
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,879
Speaker 2: that reason the tournament had to apologize. I think and

463
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,399
Speaker 2: hope that this cycle keeps happening and it happens faster.

464
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 2: And I also just really want to shout out to

465
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 2: the players themselves, especially Viga who really got the ball rolling,

466
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,120
Speaker 2: but also to IgA to a smaller degree Arena who

467
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 2: didn't seem that upset about the cake but did mention it,

468
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 2: and to Jess Poogola who was asked about it Impress

469
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 2: conferences and said she was disappointed and didn't want to

470
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 2: see it again. Speaking out matters. It gives external media,

471
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Speaker 2: especially media that isn't in these newsrooms covering tennis day

472
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 2: in and day out. It gives them a chance to

473
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 2: understand and get contextualized and use your platform to pull

474
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 2: them into the sport and make it more I think

475
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 2: open to change because it's introducing some accountability and I

476
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 2: love that and I think that's a really good trend.

477
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I agree.

478
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I got to give credit to our

479
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 3: young champions though you know, players like Coca GoF It

480
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 3: was the first one.

481
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Speaker 1: That wrote a Twitter.

482
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Speaker 3: She wrote a thread immediately after, and I this kids,

483
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 3: she still ends up for She's she's outspoken and I

484
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 3: really like that about her. And as you said, Toritech

485
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 3: is fantastic World number one with.

486
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 1: You know, speaking up with certain things.

487
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 3: Whether it be Ukraine more or you know what happened

488
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:16,360
Speaker 3: in the scheduling last week.

489
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 2: And then I respect that. I think it's using the

490
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 2: physician of leadership and prominence that you're ranking and your

491
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 2: play and you're being a champion athlete gives you You're

492
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 2: going to get a little bit more attention than you know,

493
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 2: maybe a player who doesn't get to the end stages

494
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 2: of the tournaments. And all of the women we just

495
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 2: talked about are really using it, and I really respect that.

496
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:36,959
Speaker 2: I think it's awesome.

497
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Speaker 3: Can I because you know, I went on Twitter and

498
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Speaker 3: I had to look at some stuff and I highlighted one,

499
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,120
Speaker 3: you know, response to all of this stuff, and I'm

500
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Speaker 3: gonna I'm going to say the guy's name. His name

501
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 3: is Steve sc Okay, Steve usc One. This guy responds saying,

502
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 3: if they don't apologize, you complain. If they apologize, you

503
00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 3: can plain. IgA, Sabah and Vika also weren't diplomat in

504
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 3: the way they publicly complained when they could have privately

505
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 3: addressed it with the tournament, So let's not act they

506
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 3: are blameless.

507
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: Time to move on.

508
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 3: I mean, if that's not a guy's response to this,

509
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 3: So that's why I brought up the Medvedev. This guy

510
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 3: is giving the tournament shit on a daily basis, every

511
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 3: single match about the court, about he wasn't happy with this,

512
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 3: he wasn't happy with that.

513
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: Lah blah blah.

514
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 3: It's like you'd never said I bet you, Steve didn't

515
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 3: say anything about that, and it's like nobody said to him, listen,

516
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 3: pull your head and we're not gonna give your mic anymore.

517
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 3: I mean, there's been so many players, particularly on the

518
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 3: men's side, that have said stuff publicly, whether it be

519
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 3: in press conferences or trophy celebrations or postmatch interviews or whatever,

520
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,400
Speaker 3: and nothing's ever no one, no one like gives them

521
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 3: shit about it.

522
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: So it's just like, uh, anyway, let's move on to

523
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: other things. Well, this is really great.

524
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 2: I'm happy that atally that ended up being sort of

525
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 2: productive and you got to shame a dumb you know,

526
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 2: men's rates active on Twitter, So good job, Steve. You're unnoticed. Renee.

527
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 2: Do not come for Renee unless you're prepared for her

528
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 2: to come back at you. Can we talk about the

529
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 2: most exciting news in at least American tennis.

530
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: We do feel responsible for this.

531
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Speaker 2: In the sense that I feel responsible generally for progress

532
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 2: and for people to at least watch their backs, not

533
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 2: in a way that I you know, I don't want

534
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 2: to go after anybody, but yeah, I feel like being

535
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 2: vocal is useful. But no, I think this plan was

536
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 2: long in the works and I am thrilled about it, which.

537
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 3: Is that Cincinnati is going to be moving to Charlotte,

538
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 3: North Carolina.

539
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 2: Love it, I absolutely love it. Ben Navarro to be

540
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 2: bloody hot. It is going to be very hot. I

541
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 2: don't disagree with you.

542
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 3: And then again, Cincinnati can be bloody hot too, so

543
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 3: you know, I mean.

544
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:53,360
Speaker 2: Letten, the most of the US in mid August is.

545
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: Not bloody, bloody whole.

546
00:26:55,560 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 2: I got a few responses from folks at I praised

547
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 2: the move, saying, well, it would have been great if

548
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 2: it was in the Pacific Northwest, or it would have

549
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 2: been great to if it was in Chicago. Chicago, I

550
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 2: actually think would have been a great contender because it's

551
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 2: a real city. It's a real place. The Midwest doesn't

552
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 2: have a tournament anymore, and it used to have a handful.

553
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 2: I suspected when Ben Navarro and Bemock, which is his

554
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 2: company that has done You know, we've spoken about Charleston

555
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 2: and how good that tournament is and how he's made

556
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,199
Speaker 2: that stadium multi purpose. It's a concert venue, it's a

557
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 2: year round draw, and this tournament really is incredibly good

558
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 2: and largely because of his vision and money. Let's face it,

559
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 2: when he bought sincey I think a lot of us

560
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 2: were thinking, huh, it would be interesting if he left

561
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 2: it there. And of course now the plan is for

562
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 2: them to move to Charlotte, North Carolina, and I think

563
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 2: there is a public private partnership under sort of review

564
00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 2: in that city to create a stadium. Very sim learned

565
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 2: what he's done in Charleston, which is to create something

566
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 2: that can be used throughout the year a really good way,

567
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 2: both for an entertainment purpose putting other sporting events, putting

568
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 2: concerts in the stadiums, but also as a facility that

569
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 2: can train your local use, which is something that they've

570
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 2: done in Charleston. Really well. I've been to Charlotte. I

571
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 2: like it a lot. It's charms are not evident as Charleston.

572
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 2: It's not a beautiful sort of rivertown, but it has

573
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 2: a hell of a hot chicken sandwich. It's got regional

574
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 2: cuisine that is delicious.

575
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: And what do you think?

576
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 3: What do you think, Caitlin, what do you think they're

577
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 3: going to do with that Cincinnati site now? Because you

578
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 3: know they put a lot of money into it. What

579
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 3: are they going to do with it? I mean, are

580
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 3: they going to have another tournament there at some point?

581
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 3: In a smaller tournaments?

582
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I think when I think about what makes

583
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 2: Charlotte so much better than Cincinnati setting aside of my

584
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 2: personal preferences, which is I'd much rather go a place

585
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 2: with that has good food and is you know a

586
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 2: little bit more accessible, especially.

587
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 3: Well, and let's not forget, let's not forget it was

588
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 3: in Cincinnati.

589
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: It's Mason right, Okay.

590
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 3: If it was in Cincinnati, I think that would have

591
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 3: been much better for the players and everyone would It

592
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 3: would have been a lot more popular with the players.

593
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 3: But I can tell you right now, Cincinnati was a

594
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 3: pain in the ass for the players. Really, the top

595
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,479
Speaker 3: top players would rent a house close by, and everyone

596
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 3: else is slepping and staying in these like just very

597
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 3: ordinary like hotels close to the courts, or they were

598
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 3: staying about thirty minutes away because I know, because that's

599
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 3: where I was staying in a little bit.

600
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: Nice of hotel, but it's a schlep to and from

601
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: the courts every day. Yeah.

602
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 2: I think one of the things that is a lesson

603
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 2: here is you have to think about what community area

604
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 2: and also what destination you're luring people towards. I mean,

605
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 2: nobody is mad at going to Indian Wells in the

606
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 2: middle of a frigid time of the year for East

607
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,719
Speaker 2: Coasters or anybody who's basically, you know, above a certain latitude,

608
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden you've got, you know, gorgeous,

609
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 2: mid century modern city that has hiking and all this stuff.

610
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 2: So it's sort of like, well, yeah, going to Indian

611
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 2: Wells in March is awesome. I don't think it would

612
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,959
Speaker 2: be great to go to Indian Wells in August, you know.

613
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 2: But I think destination matters, and also the ease and

614
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 2: accessibility of a lot of these players who are traveling

615
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 2: internationally to get to some place, because to your point,

616
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 2: getting to Cincinnati does not exist with a direct flight

617
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 2: to from Europe or.

618
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: A lot of well, nay of the just Charlotte though.

619
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 2: No, Charlotte is on a few international routes in fact,

620
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 2: because it is similarly a hub for other airlines. I

621
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 2: don't think it's you know, as big as Atlanta, for example.

622
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 2: But again, once you're there, you're there. You don't have

623
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 2: to do another forty minute slap out to the suburbs

624
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 2: and you know, again have this disconnected feeling. So for me,

625
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 2: I don't know what they're going to do with the site.

626
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 2: I think obviously you know, I'm a big fan of

627
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 2: NCAA tennis. I love college tennis. I love the idea

628
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 2: of maybe using it as I'm sure they'll use it

629
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 2: as a challenger site. But for a tournament that had

630
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 2: very bad logos and very little appeal for a travel destination,

631
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 2: and one to me, most damningly that did pay women equally,

632
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 2: can't say I'm not sad about it. So sorry, since

633
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 2: you had your chance. Now your new owner is going

634
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 2: to put it in a place that I hope treats

635
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 2: it well, embraces it the way that we've seen other

636
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 2: really successful tournaments be embraced and work very cohesively with

637
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 2: the city in which they're set. And I think this

638
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 2: is a good example of like, look, nothing set in Stone,

639
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 2: we thought San Jose was going to have a tournament forever.

640
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 2: Mark Ein bought it, combined it with the existing tournament

641
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 2: in DC, and now we have a really awesome tournament

642
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 2: in DC to look forward to. Right, So there's change,

643
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 2: I will say, and we got to keep modernizing or

644
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 2: else things need to get on the keel list.

645
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 3: In my opinion, I will say the one thing that

646
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 3: is disappointing for me in American tennis, at least with

647
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 3: destination tennis, and we do have Indian Whales, which is fantastic,

648
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 3: and I want to see more tournaments in California, you know,

649
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 3: it is the one thing that I really am. I'm

650
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 3: sad about because you know, we had so many when

651
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 3: I applied. We had San Diego, we had la at times,

652
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 3: we had Stanford.

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Speaker 1: We had some.

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Speaker 3: Great tournaments on the West Coast, and it was really

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Speaker 3: really well attended. People loved to go to the tennis there,

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Speaker 3: and it's a destination place, Like people want to go

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Speaker 3: to California in the summer because it's not quite as

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Speaker 3: balls hot as like you know, the Northeast or the

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Speaker 3: Midwest or whatever I mean. In California in summer is gorgeous, right,

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Speaker 3: So I think, you know, somewhere down the line.

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Speaker 1: I think there's a place for a really big tournament

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Speaker 1: in California.

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Speaker 3: It has to be strategically in a way where people

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Speaker 3: can travel to it and not be such a pain.

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Speaker 3: But I do hope that maybe prior or after, you know,

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Speaker 3: it's tough because Indian Wells, like ideally, you know, around

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Speaker 3: Indian Wells, it would be good because players are there.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know. Again, it's going to.

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Speaker 2: Say something really controversial because I can't escape our podcast

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Speaker 2: episode taping without saying something really controversial. I think that

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Speaker 2: they should upgrade San Diego and make it a combined

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Speaker 2: and more of a tournament and make that the California Swing.

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Speaker 2: And I think that they should totally rethink Miami. Is

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Speaker 2: Miami one of the best cities in America without a doubt.

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Speaker 2: It's basically the you know, Latin Slam. I would prefer

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Speaker 2: actually had a Latin Slam and we could move something

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Speaker 2: to you know, a different part of South America, this

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Speaker 2: continent or another continent that's in our same sort of

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Speaker 2: part of the world. But I do think Miami should

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Speaker 2: be on Clay and Miami should be in a different

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Speaker 2: part of the calendar and I think.

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Speaker 1: I like that. I like that idea.

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Speaker 3: Actually, I mean I could see something like even like

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Speaker 3: Charleston getting so big that they could have a combined

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Speaker 3: event for example, and we're spit bowling right now, and

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Speaker 3: like you could do like a Mexico swing up to California,

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Speaker 3: finish it with Indian Wells.

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Speaker 1: Everyone goes to Miami and starts their clay.

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Speaker 3: Court seasons that would be on the East coast, and

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Speaker 3: then bang, they go over to Europe and they start playing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not a bad I actually think the commissioners.

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Speaker 2: If we're the commissioners, I mean, listen our newest issue

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Speaker 2: of Bracketed Out and in the issue, we have a

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Speaker 2: really cool story about clay and how it's made. And

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Speaker 2: we went to both a traditional you know, red clay

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Speaker 2: mine in Argentina, and we talked to a reporter and

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Speaker 2: a journalist, Sebastian fest who's Argentine, whose family did this

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Speaker 2: and has owned a red clay sort of processing facility.

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Speaker 2: And we also send our friend Jerry Maserati to the

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Speaker 2: her True Mine down south to see where that some

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Speaker 2: call it ugly, I find it sort of you know,

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Speaker 2: stoic and approachable. The her True that gray, that gray

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Speaker 2: green clay is mine. And the thing about her true

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Speaker 2: is it's a nice actually in independent in between step

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Speaker 2: between the speed of hardcourt and the slowness of the

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Speaker 2: red because it's really in between. It's a little slippery,

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Speaker 2: but not as much it's it's fast, but obviously way

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Speaker 2: less fast than hard And I do think like it

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Speaker 2: would be really fun to have a little like green

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Speaker 2: clay swing in the Southern States before people go off to.

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Speaker 1: Europe.

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Speaker 2: And I think it would be really cool to really

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Speaker 2: build out that San Diego, Mexico part of the calend because,

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Speaker 2: as we've talked about, we are massive fans of Mexico.

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Speaker 2: Mexican tennis is on the apps, and you know, I think, again,

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Speaker 2: what's about the best player experience, what's about the best

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Speaker 2: scheduling experience, and what's about the best way to get

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Speaker 2: fans and even casual people who just want to travel

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Speaker 2: all coalescing around the place. And to me, Charlotte is

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Speaker 2: maybe not the perfect solution in all ways, but it's

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Speaker 2: a great one and I'm really happy and it's a

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Speaker 2: massive improvement.

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Speaker 3: I'm just super excited that we've got a guy like

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Speaker 3: Ben Navarro, who's daughter Emma Navara who just got into

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Speaker 3: the top one hundred in the world. Congratulations Emma, who

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Speaker 3: went of course to college and is now you know,

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Speaker 3: trying to make it into the pro tour and has

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Speaker 3: made it into the top one hundred. And she's a

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Speaker 3: great player, super talented, like very talented, a lot of

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Speaker 3: fun to watch. I just love the fact that a

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Speaker 3: guy with a lot of money is investing in tennis

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Speaker 3: and he's a girl dad, and you know, he's going

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Speaker 3: to make sure women are treated equally at his event,

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Speaker 3: and I am here for that. I thought a really

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Speaker 3: funny tweet. Can I just go back to the double

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Speaker 3: situation if someone posted was someone said to Jessica Pagoula

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Speaker 3: on her tweet, why don't you just get your dad

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Speaker 3: to buy the tournament? And I was like, oh, it's

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Speaker 3: actually not a bad idea. Yeah, you know, I turn

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Speaker 3: it into you know, jess can run the tournament in

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Speaker 3: the future like that.

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Speaker 2: Fortunately and unfortunately for jess Begoula, that does sort of

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Speaker 2: solve all the problems. So like, hey, is there a

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Speaker 2: problem that Wimbledon because they took points away? Or maybe

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Speaker 2: from your view, it's problem they you know, let are

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Speaker 2: letting Belarusian players and Russian players or not play jes Begoula,

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Speaker 2: get your dad about the tournament.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Like I listen, I am a fervent believer that our

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Speaker 2: society should not have billionaires. That said, the ones who

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Speaker 2: want to spend a lot of money on tennis are

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Speaker 2: seemed to be better intentioned to have a little bit

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Speaker 2: more of a you know, plan for tennis than do

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Speaker 2: our governing bodies and tournament directors for sure. So you

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Speaker 2: know what, if you're going to have all the money,

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Speaker 2: spend it on tennis and do stuff like what Ben

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Speaker 2: Navarro is doing.

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, we have now come in again, and

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Speaker 3: once again this is like the third or fourth part

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Speaker 3: in a row where I have bitched about the WTA

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Speaker 3: or something.

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Speaker 1: So I'm getting tired of this, people, I really am.

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Speaker 3: I know you probably don't realize that, but I'm getting

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Speaker 3: tired of coming on to the pod and complaining about

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Speaker 3: everything because I really don't want to.

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Speaker 1: But you know, there has to be some At some point.

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Speaker 3: I want it to be over and I want to

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Speaker 3: move on talking about tennis. So we're going to talk

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Speaker 3: about Rome when the tournament is over. Obviously, it's super

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Speaker 3: exciting that we finally have Novak Djokovic and al KaAZ

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Speaker 3: in the same tournament. Let's hope that they get to

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Speaker 3: the finals and play each other, and then we'll have

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Speaker 3: a real great idea of who's going to win the

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Speaker 3: French Open. And in the women's side, we'll see what

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Speaker 3: happens there. We had a bit of an upset today

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Speaker 3: speaking of Jessica Bogol lost of Taylor Townsend. Taylor Townsend

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Speaker 3: grinding through qualities and then getting a terrific win.

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Speaker 1: Over Jessica Goula. But look, we've got tons of tennis

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Speaker 1: still to go on Caitlin's favorite service, the Red Clay.

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Speaker 1: So guys, thanks for joining us today. I promise please

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Speaker 1: guys stop kissing me off. See you next week. Bye bye,