1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: From UFOs two, ghosts and government cover ups. History is 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Hey, everybody, 4 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: welcome back. This is stuff they don't want you to know. 5 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: My name is Matt and I'm Ben, and today we're 6 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 1: talking about lost civilizations. Let me ask you a question 7 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: that oh, all right, all right, good, I'm glad you're 8 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: on board. Have you ever lost something? I've lost many things, 9 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: and uh, it's common throughout a lot of human literature 10 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: and art. Uh, this idea of losing things. Everybody, statistically speaking, 11 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: everybody has at some point lost something. It could be 12 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 1: something small, like your car keys. It could be something 13 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: metaphorical like yeah, one time I lost my religion. There 14 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: you go. I was listening to way too much r 15 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: EM and you know, it happens. I guess that may 16 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: say that it happens. Yeah, and you're you're in the 17 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: market for a new religion, yeah, yeah, looking around checking 18 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: out eBay. Well. One thing that's also weird about human 19 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 1: history is that we've lost big things too. We've lost 20 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:19,479 Speaker 1: entire civilizations, we've lost entire cities, and you and I 21 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: have done several video episodes on the nature of lost 22 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: civilizations right now, that's correct. We have I believe two 23 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: episodes that you can find on our older channel that 24 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: one day will be brought over to our new YouTube 25 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 1: channel and on test Tube. But we also have a 26 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: fairly new one that we kind of started our new 27 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 1: channel out with about lost cities. Yeah. Yeah, that's a 28 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: two part episode. You can find all that on YouTube 29 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: and on test Tube. And we've we've talked about this 30 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: because it's strange when when you go back into research 31 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: on history, one thing that's weird to happen is the 32 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: further back you go, the less stark the line between 33 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: myth and reality becomes us. So that for instance, um, 34 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: if you trace back the origins of Chinese civilization, you 35 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: quickly run into While I say quickly depends on how 36 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: faster flipping the pages, I guess, um, you'll run into 37 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: eventually this area of time wherein the legends are the 38 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: closest thing to universal historical record. And when we us 39 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: being you know, human beings at large, when we research 40 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: lost civilizations, what we find is a huge wealth of 41 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: rumor legend misdirection, fable, but we also often find a 42 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: grain of truth. One thing that really blew the lid 43 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: off of law civilizations and launched it from you know, 44 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: kind of a speculative pseudo science wouldn't it be cool 45 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 1: if kind of thing and made it a real, viable, 46 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: feasible pursuit was the discovery of ancient Troy. And for uh, 47 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: for a long time, people thought that Troy the city 48 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 1: was either uh, completely fictional thing or just somewhat loosely 49 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: based on reality, the same way that a lifetime show 50 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: is inspired by true events. But come to find out 51 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: that actually is a real place, and it wasn't just 52 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: a real place. It had uh, it had layers of 53 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: different periods in in the civilization's history. Now we also 54 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: have other things that may or may not have some 55 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: sort of basis in fact, And we can't go any 56 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: further unless we talk about the Big A, the most 57 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: famous of all legend a loss civilizations. Matt Frederick, I'm 58 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: gonna let you intro this one. We have in the 59 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: left hand corner, the red corner, Atlantis fighting out of 60 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: the Pacific or the Atlantic or somewhere who knows. We 61 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: don't know where it exists, but it's there, and it's 62 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,359 Speaker 1: called Atlantis. We know that for sure. Yeah, perfect intro, 63 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: and thank you. We know that it's called Atlantis because 64 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: this guy may have heard of named Plato, uh wrote 65 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 1: about it and said, yeah, there was this city around 66 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: nine thousand years before me that uh was beyond the 67 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: pillars of Heracles, to the west of Gibraltar. And he 68 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: just had some insider information. Yeah, he had some insider 69 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 1: info back before. Insider info is against the law. Um, 70 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: let me just imagine some finger quotes there on against 71 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: the law. And according to Plato's story, the people of 72 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: Atlantis angered Poseidon, uh see God pretty big deal back 73 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 1: in the day, and he sank this city. Now, as 74 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: we know, that's already kind of a diplomatic way, would 75 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: you say, it's kind of an implausible story because no 76 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: one has proved the existence of sea God's yet. Well, yeah, 77 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 1: and not yet. We're we're getting better at this, you know. Sorry, 78 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: Catulu fans. I like Pacific rim and Lovecraft too, but 79 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: at this point there's not too much evidence one way 80 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: or the other. Now, as we know, people have claimed 81 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: to find the origin of Atlantis all around the world, 82 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: in the Caribbean, in the Pacific, in the Atlantic. You'll 83 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 1: hear stories all the time, or you'll read stories. Um, 84 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: you'll find them usually online from let's say, not the 85 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: most reputable source talking about sunken pyramid with some pictures 86 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 1: that look to me like they've been photoshopped. I can't 87 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: prove it, but I'm pretty sure. Uh, And you'll you'll 88 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 1: hear about that at least once or twice a year. 89 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: And the reason that we bring up Troy in the 90 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: beginning is because for a long time, as crazy as 91 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: it sounds, the city of Troy was put up there 92 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 1: right around the same level of plausibility as the city 93 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: of Atlantis, until an archaeologist named Heinrich Schliman Schleiman rediscovered 94 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 1: it in the nineteenth century and hopefully, uh the journalist 95 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: at the time pronounced his name better than I just did. 96 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: Sorry Germany. Um. The key questions here that we're tackling 97 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: are how likely is it that humanity could lose entire 98 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: cities or civilizations? And spoiler alert, the answer is incredibly likely. 99 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,679 Speaker 1: In fact, it's uh, it's fair to say that there 100 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: could be cities that are extant and known today that 101 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: could later be lost to just the slow grind of history. 102 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: And it is frighteningly plausible that there are undiscovered cities 103 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: right now, or rather lost cities the people who knew 104 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: who built them probably knew where they were. Um So, 105 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: so just when you're as you're talking, I'm just thinking 106 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: about the the line kind of drawn in the sand 107 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: for me, uh, about how civilization could be lost is 108 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: the record keeping techniques of whatever the day. So it 109 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: sounds to me as though I don't think there ever 110 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: will be another lost civilization on Earth because we have 111 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: so many records throughout the world. Internationally, we're becoming so globalized, Okay, 112 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: so we're so interconnected that even for example, if let's 113 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: just pick an isolated place, okay, like the Maldives. The 114 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: Maldives are um an island nation, one of the ones 115 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: at the most immediate threat of I guess sinking into 116 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: the ocean with rising sea levels. So then the argument 117 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: would be, well, now that the cost of communication across 118 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: the world is so cheap, everyone is able to find 119 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: out that the Maldives exists, it will be known that 120 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: it existed, right. It won't be lost, the structures will 121 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: be lost, the population will be dispersed, but it will 122 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: be known that yes, maldis really was there. We can 123 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: google map it. Yeah. See. Here's here's where I think 124 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: it gets interesting too, because I used to be on 125 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: the same page with you and that in that respect, 126 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,119 Speaker 1: when we say the slow grind of history, though, let's 127 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: take it out thousands of years, because the the error, 128 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: or rather the flaw in this global information system is 129 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: that it depends upon uh technology, several different types of 130 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: technology in order for it to be accessed. So let's 131 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: just go dystopian, Matt. Let's say huge nuclear war. The 132 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: world is up a certain creek without a paddle. You know, 133 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: all the vault dwellers are are coming out of their vaults. 134 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: All the vault dwellers are coming out of their vault, 135 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: and over over the thousands, maybe even millions of years 136 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: that they've been locked in, super mutants are roaming in 137 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 1: the hills. Yeah, they've speciated and they're different to the 138 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: point where they can't even breed together. Um. And then 139 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: they start finding relics and they find, you know, cast 140 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: off bits of things that maybe wouldn't have expired, like 141 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: the ruined stone ruins, perhaps models of cola, right plastic 142 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: and uh. Then they start to piece this together and 143 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: they could rediscover it. What I guess the point we're 144 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: making is that, um, it is much less likely that 145 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: cities will be lost now as in forgotten. You know, 146 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: it's still it's still the same dangerous game when we 147 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: ask will cities survive because there are any number of 148 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: natural or even interstellar disasters against when human beings are 149 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: entirely helpless, entirely helpless, even the most wealthy people in 150 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: the world will just be able to use their wealth 151 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: to g TFO before before it hits the fan. Speaking 152 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: speaking of wealth and being a factor in the survivability 153 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: of civilization, let's talk about something that kind of strings 154 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: together all of these civilizations in humanity as a whole. Uh. 155 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: Water Ah good? And this is this is something that 156 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: we discussed in the first episode of Law Civilizations about 157 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: how large a factor water played in several civilizations, the 158 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: Mayan civilization, the Indusks or Haraping civilization, and even Anchor 159 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: and how water was just kind of the underlying problem 160 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: that they all ended up having to face, and when 161 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: they faced it, they had to g TFO. Um. So well, okay, 162 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 1: now now look at that today, and let's let's think 163 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: about how aquifers are being purchased, how water is largely 164 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: being privatized, and and we even it's funny. We even 165 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: mentioned back in two thousand eleven we made that first 166 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: episode that it's kind of silly. It's or not silly. 167 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: We didn't say that. We said it was kind of 168 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: fanciful to talk about water wars and the you know, 169 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: in the future, having a war where water is the 170 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: main resource that's being fought over. And now with a 171 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: lot of what we're seeing again with the privatization, it 172 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: seems like it may be a real thing that we're 173 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,959 Speaker 1: gonna have to deal with soon. Yeah, and as soon 174 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: as a tricky word there, because do we mean soon 175 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: in the larger context of history or do we mean 176 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: soon as in within our lifetimes? And in that context, uh, 177 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: within your lifetime, listener, means it may as well be 178 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 1: happening right now. Uh. The I love that you brought 179 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: up the point about water. So in anglor watt In, 180 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: the Maya and the Haropin civilizations that we talked about 181 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: in that episode, we try to trace the fall of 182 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: these civilizations, and there's a frighteningly plausible argument that what 183 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: caused a lot of these civilizations to collapse or these 184 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: great cities and empires to fall was an ecological disaster. 185 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: In the case of Angkor. Why it was a lack 186 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: of water. Um. That came about because they simply had 187 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: a huge population of people, and of course it was 188 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: an agricultural economy, and they had great infrastructure. Yeah, they 189 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: had aquifers, they had aqueducts. Uh. There wasn't enough for 190 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: the population. Yeah, and there was an anomalous series of droughts, 191 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: so they were running on reserves for a while, and 192 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,319 Speaker 1: then ultimately they couldn't support the people. And the story 193 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: is similar with these other two civilizations. And we find 194 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: that in that episode we find the climate change. Um, 195 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: let me take a second here. When we say climate 196 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: change is well, we don't mean the current argument about 197 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: climate change. We mean that the ecosystem in which these 198 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:11,439 Speaker 1: cities were built or founded uh failed them or changed 199 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:13,839 Speaker 1: in a way that in a way that they were 200 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: not able to adapt to in enough time to survive. 201 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: And we know that water can do uh something else 202 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: to ruin a civilization which is completely flooded. Matt, I 203 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: don't know if you saw this on read it recently, 204 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: but a new Egyptian city has been rediscovered it was 205 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: it's underwater now. Oh man, it's crazy. They're getting great artifacts, 206 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: hieroglyphs that are preserved almost perfectly. It's pretty incredible. And 207 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: we also know that there are numerous underwater features I 208 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: guess is the best word to say, like Bamini Road 209 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:58,199 Speaker 1: or something that people have positive might be the work 210 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: of human beings as sank an of the ground. Another thing, 211 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: another way we can lose these is through volcanic eruption 212 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: like pay Yeah, you have volcanic eruptions even now can 213 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: form brand new islands. Um, just it's actually happening. You 214 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: can search for this, go to Google and search new 215 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: volcanic island. Yeah. And what's another thing that's kind of 216 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: I guess you know what I will say to me 217 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: this is a positive note. Uh. It is true that 218 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: with the evolving technology that we have, with our increasingly 219 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: sophisticated means of pulling our own forensic science experiments on 220 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: the past, we have found that, um, we got so 221 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: much stuff wrong about history. You know, we're finding footprints, 222 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: human footprints four thousand years before they're supposed to be 223 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: in a place. We're finding human d NA years ago, yeah, 224 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: older than it should be. And and we're even finding, 225 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: you know, things that qualifies completely different types of pure 226 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: hominic groups to human beings, which is is um a 227 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: level beyond the Neanderthal. It's it's you know, the Dennis 228 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: Silvans I believe are one of them, or the hotly 229 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: debated Homo florenzis um, which would be if if this 230 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: is true, if the most outrageous stuff is true, then 231 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: they would be a race of little people. It just 232 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: makes you realize that you we can't take any of 233 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: this stuff for granted. Well, we have to be vigilant 234 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: and constantly searching. And that's why science is really important, guys. Research, 235 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: it's studying the past is just as important as studying 236 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: the future. In my opinion. Yeah, and I think I 237 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: agree with that. It reminds me the William Falkner quotation 238 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: when he said the past isn't over, It isn't even 239 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: past yet. And let's pick up on the point about science, 240 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: because one thing that you and I ran into when 241 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: we were doing these episodes was an alarming tendency towards 242 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: bad science, primarily um. For most of the most of 243 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: the span of archaeology. The primary problem in the science 244 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: has been institutionalized racism. You know, European European forces come 245 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: to Africa, they find the ruins of ancient civilizations, Great 246 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: Zimbabwe or so on, and then they say, oh, well, 247 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: there's no way that native Africans could have built this. 248 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: Where is the secret lost tribe? Because that makes sense? 249 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's so weird to me. We've we've 250 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: been getting a lot of flak on YouTube in the 251 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: comments because we've discussed we want to discuss that point 252 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: of institutionalized racism at that time period and well pretty 253 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: much in the past from this point, um, and I 254 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: it's tough for me to kind of swallow that criticism 255 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: because I understand what people are saying. You know, you're 256 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: playing the racism card, is I thing? And unfortunately this 257 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: is just a kind of a truth that we need 258 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: to face at some point. Well sure, and I you know, 259 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:11,199 Speaker 1: I understand somebody saying that, but they're objecting to something 260 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: different than what we have done in that video, which 261 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: is the which is the fact, the concrete historical fact that, 262 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 1: due to pre existing notions of how the world or 263 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 1: human society should be, a lot of scientists who could 264 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 1: have made some great headway. Uh when when their time 265 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: income instead retreated back to their ideologies. And it's kind 266 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 1: of like the it's kind of like the Holocaust experiment stuff. 267 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 1: You know, it's bad science because the guys set out, 268 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: the people who were conducting those experiments, set out to 269 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 1: reach a predetermined conclusion. Now, I will say, I will 270 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:55,719 Speaker 1: say to be absolutely fair that assuming, um, assuming that 271 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,719 Speaker 1: there was no great secret to find or there was 272 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: no lost technology, is just as silly as assuming that 273 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:09,239 Speaker 1: there had to be UM some you know, imagine the 274 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: most unrealistic thing you could see, right, like, um, time 275 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: travelers from the future come back and build the pyramids 276 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: to found the Masonic Order that later builds the time 277 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: machines in post apocalyptic Earth to send them back to 278 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: finish the loop. I mean, that's I'm just kind of 279 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 1: riffing on that one. But we do know, we do 280 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: know that UM, different different techniques, different processes that we 281 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 1: are using are bearing fruit because lost civilizations and lost 282 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:47,360 Speaker 1: cities are being found at an unprecedented rate and across 283 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 1: the world. In South America, in the Near East, UM, 284 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: who knows what's out there in Eurasia or Siberia or 285 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:58,479 Speaker 1: places where UM, you would have to have a massive 286 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 1: amount of funding to one covers something and to be 287 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:07,360 Speaker 1: absolutely fair. Again, um, who knows what we will find. 288 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: I'm so excited about it. Yeah I am. I am 289 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 1: personally thrilled. Brings the Indiana Jones part of me that's 290 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: hidden deep down in my childhood. It just brings it 291 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: right to the surface. And when we let's see, we've 292 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 1: touched on a lot of stuff in this one and um, 293 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: we don't want to completely ruin the episodes for anyone 294 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,360 Speaker 1: who hasn't seen them, and you should check them out. 295 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 1: One one thing that we can find if we want 296 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: to call this in favor of, you know, the quote 297 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:44,199 Speaker 1: unquote conspiracy theorists versus the quote unquote skeptics who are 298 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: not Usually I don't like those two sides, man, Yeah, 299 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 1: I don't either. They're not They're kind of a false psychotomy. 300 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 1: And usually the people who are quote unquote skeptics or not. Um, 301 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: the people who often are self described skeptics are have 302 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 1: some preconceived notions. But and that's what we found in 303 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 1: a lot of our research. It doesn't lie on the 304 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: outskirts of any issue. Really, the the truth that that 305 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 1: we've been drilling down to it's usually somewhere near the 306 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: middle on one side or the other. Uh, it's usually right, 307 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: you know, right near the middle, somewhere where it's especially 308 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: with these law civilizations. Right, there's there's truth to it 309 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 1: that we can find in point to um. But there's 310 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: so much left that, let's say, the more imaginative ideas 311 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 1: can't be dismissed. Ubar Hali Gate, Shangri law, the Minoan Empire. 312 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: These are just these are just a few of the 313 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 1: examples you've heard about, Oh El Dorado for instance, um 314 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 1: Sue dot Blanca. What what we are finding shows us 315 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: clearly that there is a hugely favorable probability that there 316 00:20:55,560 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: are undiscovered cities. And when we say cities, we mean 317 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: possibly massive cities. Uh that might be underwater now due 318 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 1: to us shift in um land mass, or that might 319 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: be completely covered due to some other sort of disaster. 320 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: Especially now that we know from that DNA discovery recently 321 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 1: that humanity goes back much further than we thought. So 322 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: we need to start looking in places that perhaps have 323 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: been covered over for three thousand years. Oh yeah, what 324 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: if the ice caps melt and it turns out that 325 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: this has been in the south Pole the entire time. 326 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: It's I mean, it's crazy to think about it. It 327 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: sounds silly, but yeah, well it's not necessarily silly. It's 328 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 1: it's silly if we say that's definitely gonna happen. But 329 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: but it is a point of departure, and this is 330 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 1: um Honestly, this is an exciting time to be alive, 331 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 1: not just for an archaeologists, but this is an exciting 332 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: time to be alive for anyone who wants to see 333 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: how the official narrative of history has been wrong and 334 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: humanity as a whole, and and the official story of 335 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: humanity as a whole. So we're gonna go ahead and 336 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 1: wrap it up on that note, we hope that you 337 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: do check out our four episodes on lost cities, uh 338 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: everywhere from anglor Want to Atlantis and everything between, and 339 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: we would love to hear your stories and your opinions 340 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: about these lost cities. And on the off chance that 341 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: you have solid evidence of something that completely contradicts the 342 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: historical narrative of you know, your textbooks and your teachers 343 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: and the news or whatever, we want you to come 344 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: to us with it. We would love to learn more 345 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 1: about it. 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