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Speaker 1: Great, I love controversy, I.

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Speaker 3: Love Coco, everybody loves everybody goes Awesome. What a cool

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Speaker 1: Here is the flag? Yes? Should she have carried the flag?

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Speaker 1: Okay, you need to just stop talking, okay. So it

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Speaker 2: You know, there's a list of athletes that you tick

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Speaker 2: I think there's probably other athletes that had gone to

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Speaker 1: She's mentally not in a good space. She's getting very

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Speaker 1: And so I am there for her. I love her.

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Speaker 2: I think she's a fantastic human being and a great

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Speaker 1: She gets through a few matches, but there are certain

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Speaker 3: of a shock than a Marati Kanu who came out

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Speaker 3: of Quali's when her US Open a couple of years ago,

441
00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,439
Speaker 3: but very very young, had all the endorsement deals, all

442
00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:27,800
Speaker 3: the spotlight, all the pressure, all the magazine covers, all

443
00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,840
Speaker 3: the media immediately on her, and it's taken He really

444
00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:33,800
Speaker 3: too full. Granted she's been injured, but like two three

445
00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,960
Speaker 3: full years to sort of start looking as she has

446
00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,879
Speaker 3: this summer like the player who's enjoying tennis again, like

447
00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,600
Speaker 3: the player who's getting deep into draws again. And so

448
00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,119
Speaker 3: I think, for me, like maybe the best thing that

449
00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:47,360
Speaker 3: could happen is Coco goes out early in the US Open.

450
00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:48,920
Speaker 3: It just kind of cools it for the rest of

451
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Speaker 3: the year, takes a little bit of a break and

452
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Speaker 3: maybe reassesses all these cooks who are in her kitchen

453
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Speaker 3: and figures out what.

454
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Speaker 1: Does she want to do.

455
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Speaker 3: Who's the best chef, who's the best chef? Who does

456
00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:02,119
Speaker 3: she want in the in the inner echelon? Because it

457
00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,720
Speaker 3: feels like a lot of a little bit of a disaster.

458
00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,600
Speaker 3: All right, let's talk a little bit more about who

459
00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:14,200
Speaker 3: else has been surging, who else has been struggling in

460
00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,359
Speaker 3: these couple of weeks as we look ahead to the

461
00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:21,880
Speaker 3: US Open. So out of nowhere Alex Pop Alex poprin

462
00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,240
Speaker 3: and Australian that yeah, nobody talks about very much.

463
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Speaker 1: Cute as a button. Where did you come from and

464
00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:28,440
Speaker 1: how did that happen?

465
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Speaker 2: Well, Alex has been sort of knocking on the door

466
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Speaker 2: a little bit through the last couple of years. I

467
00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,639
Speaker 2: mean he's you know, he pushed Novak to four sets

468
00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,800
Speaker 2: of the Austrain Open last year. I mean, heat has

469
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Speaker 2: the talent, he has a huge survey, he's got a

470
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Speaker 2: big game, he plays very good tennis. I mean, this

471
00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,359
Speaker 2: kid is good, so all the weapons. It was just

472
00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,399
Speaker 2: a matter of him believing in himself and so for

473
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Speaker 2: him to get the job done the way he did it,

474
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Speaker 2: The way he crushed Rublev in the final was something

475
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Speaker 2: also to see. A nice to see Rublev who's admitted

476
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Speaker 2: he's had a little mental break in the head.

477
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Speaker 1: This year's gone up. See it. I love him. He

478
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,639
Speaker 1: just whears it all. We all love him because you

479
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:04,800
Speaker 1: just never know what you're gonna get.

480
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Speaker 2: But it was nice to see him get through to

481
00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 2: and play such a great tournament as well, and get

482
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Speaker 2: through the final.

483
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Speaker 1: I mean, beats Alcaraz, not Alchors yet. Who do you

484
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 1: beat s Cinner? Yes? Sorry, Sinner beat Sinner there. Sinner's

485
00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:18,159
Speaker 1: a little bit of a question mark. We'll see what

486
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Speaker 1: he does.

487
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Speaker 3: That's one of the questions I need for you, just

488
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,440
Speaker 3: you know. Obviously he's coming off of an injury. He's

489
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 3: when he's healthy, one of the best, if not the best,

490
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Speaker 3: in the world.

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Speaker 1: For me, he's still the He's a question. He's my

492
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Speaker 1: favorite to win the US Open. I said that months ago.

493
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Speaker 2: I said that Alcarez would win the two natural surfaces

494
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,440
Speaker 2: on clay and grass, because I feel like he moves

495
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 2: so well on a natural surface, he can adapt better

496
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Speaker 2: with his body, whereas on a hard court. Yannick's so

497
00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:48,119
Speaker 2: tall and aggressive with his movement. It's so much easier

498
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:49,800
Speaker 2: for him to move on a hard court. So I

499
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:51,959
Speaker 2: think that the court suits him and the court if

500
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Speaker 2: the court at the US Open is anything.

501
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,359
Speaker 1: Like the center court at Cincinnati. It's so fast.

502
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Speaker 2: I mean I walked on the court at Cincinnati and

503
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,119
Speaker 2: I was like, holy shit, this is like a this

504
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 2: is like an ice rink.

505
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was so quick. So if US opens anything

506
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 1: like that, I think Janick is the player to beat there.

507
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,119
Speaker 3: Well, prior to this, I would have said Carlitos is

508
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 3: in every conversation. But based on how Montfice destroyed his

509
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 3: mind along with Novak earlier this summer, and then he

510
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,879
Speaker 3: turned around and destroyed his racket, We've never seen a

511
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 3: racket smash.

512
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 1: Of course, I got a lot of people writing me

513
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Speaker 1: on Twitter about, well, he's he.

514
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,359
Speaker 2: Going to get the Sportsmanship Award this year because he

515
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,200
Speaker 2: broke a wrath. I mean, honestly, that's the stuff I

516
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 2: have to deal with with these certain fans on Twitter.

517
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 2: It's like, uh, well, yeah, if he breaks his racket

518
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,120
Speaker 2: on a consistent basis and acts like a ding dong

519
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 2: on the court, yeah he's not going to win the

520
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 2: Sportsmanship Award.

521
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:48,399
Speaker 1: But I feel like this is such an a No,

522
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,920
Speaker 1: he's just like a he's just his lost his mind.

523
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 2: This was such an anomaly to see Carlos Alcarez lose

524
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 2: his mind like it.

525
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,359
Speaker 1: That's why everybody's so shocked, because it's like, oh no,

526
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 1: our sweet little baby Carlitos, what's happened that fin victim

527
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 1: from his own playing bardy, How sweet little baby Galitos?

528
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,199
Speaker 1: And who is literally the nicest guy?

529
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:08,919
Speaker 2: I did a Q and A with all the players

530
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 2: at Cincinnati, and the question I asked every single guy

531
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 2: was who's the happiest and most liked person in the

532
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,880
Speaker 2: locker room? And every single one of them said either

533
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,160
Speaker 2: Francis Tiafo or Carlos Alcarez. So you know, this guy's

534
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 2: in a happy space all the time. So for him

535
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:23,439
Speaker 2: to lose his mind on the court, I think it's

536
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 2: a combination of a few things. A. He's still brain

537
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 2: is still broken from losing the gold medal. Yeah, I

538
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 2: think he's played a lot of tennis. Yeah, he's got

539
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 2: a lot of pressure on his shoulders now.

540
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 1: I think that he's tired.

541
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Speaker 2: Anyone who came off of playing at the Olympics and

542
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,959
Speaker 2: then is playing in Cincinnati is mentally and physically drained.

543
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Speaker 2: It's why Novak decided do I need to go to Cincinnati?

544
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 2: Because he's played enough tennis, he feels good enough in

545
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 2: his own self and he knows how to win a

546
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 2: Grand Slam, and so he chose no, I think, which

547
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 2: was a really smart idea from Novak, not to play

548
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 2: a lead up tournament.

549
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: He's practicing his ass off somewhere on a hard court.

550
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 2: He's getting the work in, don't he knows he's not

551
00:23:58,840 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 2: going to lose in.

552
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Speaker 1: The first round the US Open.

553
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 3: But it does sort of leave the question open about Novak.

554
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 3: You know, he was the defending champion, but also he

555
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 3: did not win a tournament this year up until the Olympics.

556
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: So it's the only tournament he wanted to win this year. Literally.

557
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 2: I know he wants to win every Grand Slam, don't

558
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,880
Speaker 2: get me wrong, But the only tournament that mattered to him,

559
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 2: really mattered to him this year was the gold medal.

560
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 1: For sure, all that he cared about.

561
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 3: And you could see it, as you said, when he

562
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 3: reacted the way he did. But does that mean he

563
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 3: will care about the US Open or what we expect

564
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 3: from him, sure like an emotional letdown or like do

565
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 3: you think he's now just like he shook that he

566
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 3: has been.

567
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 2: One moogie man off and he can he has one

568
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 2: thing left well that is the ultimate Grand Slam major

569
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 2: record at twenty five, because we've got the old you know,

570
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 2: move the goalpost Margaret Cord at twenty four. Okay, who

571
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 2: won like ten Australian opens.

572
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 1: Yes, when nobody played nobody can that a real record?

573
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 1: And so but at least they used to it. But

574
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 1: he wants that record. So do I think he's going

575
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 1: to be to win the US Open?

576
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 2: Absolutely, because that's the one record that he doesn't that

577
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 2: he still doesn't have.

578
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: I tend to think that's dumb.

579
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 2: I don't think he needs to win another Grand Slam

580
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,719
Speaker 2: to say I'm truly the greatest male ale female.

581
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: I mean, he's won all the records.

582
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 2: He said that he cares about that. He cares we

583
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 2: would have played. Listen, here's the deal, the reason he's

584
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 2: not playing Cincinnati. And don't take this the wrong way

585
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 2: people and Mason, but he doesn't care about Cincinnati. He

586
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 2: wants to win the US Open and he knows that

587
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 2: his best chance of doing that is to give himself

588
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 2: a mental and physical break after winning the gold medal.

589
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on from that.

590
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 3: Okay, two more things I want to talk about. Tinzypas

591
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 3: finally fired his dad.

592
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: Yes, well, there's a chance him. I defend this guy

593
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: to the death. I get a lot of het.

594
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 2: What if I always said Caitlin, he needs to fire

595
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 2: his dad. If he wants to win a Grand Slam,

596
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,719
Speaker 2: he needs to fire his dad. So there's a chance. Now,

597
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 2: do I think he's going to do it?

598
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 1: None? But I think there's more of a chance he's

599
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: going to win a Grand slot the game? All right?

600
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 2: And then I want to talk really quickly before we

601
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,640
Speaker 2: get to sort of the US open picks and things,

602
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 2: because we don't really know much because the draw's not out.

603
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 2: But can we talk about the shanked hit from Jack

604
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 2: Draper last night?

605
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:14,919
Speaker 1: All right?

606
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 2: I don't know if anyone saw this match last night,

607
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 2: but Jack Draper, I'm sure woke up this morning regretting

608
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 2: his decision last night.

609
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 3: To accept the match point gifted to him by an

610
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 3: ARMP who was not a no you're paying attention and

611
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 3: he clearly had a double bounce and an't own it.

612
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: And umpoo has screwed up twice this week quite.

613
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 2: Considerably considering the original electronic line calling. Now, everybody out

614
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 2: there knows how much I love electronic line calling. It

615
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 2: would have saved me having so many gray hairs.

616
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: Not that I have any, but.

617
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 2: When you know a machine is calling that thing, you

618
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 2: know that if it does mess up, which it did

619
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 2: last week in Cincinnati, it's not because you're ranked number

620
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 2: one or ranked five hundred and no one knows you

621
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Speaker 2: and someone's having a bad day as a lines person.

622
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 1: It just the machine messed up last week, right, and

623
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: then it corrected itself.

624
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 2: It did stopped, stop, stop, and they stopped the point,

625
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 2: and the point should have immediately been given to Taylor immediately.

626
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 2: Instead of the umpire saying, well, you should have stopped

627
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 2: the point, He's like, dude, we've got electronic line calling.

628
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 1: I'm not going to stop the point.

629
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 2: Why would I, even though I saw that the ball

630
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 2: was a foot out. So so anyway, that umpire screwed

631
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 2: up on that and then flipped to this match with

632
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 2: Felix last night and Jack Draper. Now, listen, I made

633
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 2: my money playing tennis, serving and volley, so I knew

634
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 2: exactly when the ball hit a certain part of a racket,

635
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 2: how it reflected off my racket, where it went blah

636
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 2: blah blah. I knew, and I would have known that

637
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 2: that ball hit my racket, hit the ground, hit my

638
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 2: racket again and went over the net. You would know

639
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 2: that as a player for sure. So he stood there

640
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 2: and looked immediately at the umpire. And when you know

641
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 2: as a player that you've made a great volley like

642
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 2: that to win a match, the last thing you're doing

643
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 2: is looking at the umpire.

644
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: So he knew that. He was like, did the umpire

645
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: see that? They maybe didn't get that that was the

646
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: giver if you did not see it in slow motion,

647
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:03,959
Speaker 1: which now we have the ability to see it all

648
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 1: over the internet in slow motion, but even watching the

649
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: match live, the.

650
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 3: Reaction from the player itself. If you made an incredible

651
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 3: stick stick like that, I'd be like, I'm the greatest,

652
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 3: I'm so fast, look at me. I'm gonna tear my

653
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 3: shirt open.

654
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: But he didn't do that.

655
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 3: Now, he looked sheepishly, waiting to see if anyone saw,

656
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 3: and then when he realized nobody caught him, he just like, limp.

657
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like you took a drink at your parents' ba,

658
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 2: you know, and they and you put it back.

659
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 1: Yes, that's just so limb.

660
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 3: Also, I want to say Jack Japer, who in his

661
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 3: spare time does a lot of modeling, apparently, Yes, He's

662
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 3: a big fan of sandwiches. This guy has, you know,

663
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 3: a lot of things going for him.

664
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: But I just feel like you're at a place of

665
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: work where you have to show up in the locker

666
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: room and let me read you the quote.

667
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 3: Your fellow athletes and commentariat can be like, don't you

668
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 3: don't want to that? Doesn't you don't want that to

669
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 3: be your rep.

670
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: Let me read you the quote from Andy Ruddick. The

671
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: esteem to Andy Ruddick, I.

672
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 2: Feel like every time I've shanked a ball straight into

673
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 2: the ground, I've known that I've shanked.

674
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: The ball straight into the ground exactly. Yeah. I mean,

675
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: I'm just.

676
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 2: Gonna leave it at that because Andy, clearly and I

677
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 2: both played and we knew when the ball hit the

678
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 2: strings of our racket.

679
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 3: Ever played tennis, even recreationally at any level knows when

680
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 3: you make that dig, and everybody knows.

681
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 2: Felix Asier Eliosim is arguably the nicest guy on tour

682
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 2: and also the dorkiest and sweetest. Like I asked him

683
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 2: all these gen z word questions and he knew zero

684
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 2: of them. Makes you know he's over there reading probably

685
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 2: Tolstoy or something. He's not this guy and so he

686
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 2: went up and was trying to be very very politically

687
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 2: correct about everything.

688
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: He's like, you're gonna.

689
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 2: Regret this tomorrow. You're going to see this on video,

690
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 2: and you know, it's trying to try.

691
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,719
Speaker 3: He was both too Canadian about it and perhaps an

692
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 3: insulight into how he plays a little too cautious, like

693
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 3: you're gotta get faired.

694
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: Up, man.

695
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 2: The only thing to do there for Felix, unfortunately, was

696
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 2: to walk up to Jack, look him straight in the eyes,

697
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 2: put his two fingers at his eye. As you all know,

698
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: you're sitting back there going yeah, you know when you

699
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 2: and go I see you, I see you. Yeah, And

700
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 2: I'm never gonna forget that you didn't call this on yourself. Yeah,

701
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 2: and shook his hand. And I would have walked off

702
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 2: because all the evidence, video evidence. You can't cheat on

703
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 2: the court anymore.

704
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: You just can't. And you should be a cameras and

705
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: you shouldn't know.

706
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 3: So anyway, all right, Well, we're going to do a

707
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 3: complete draw preview of the US Open when we get it.

708
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: I think the draw comes out at the end of

709
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: next week, the end of Qualiti's.

710
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're gonna bring you a We're gonna bring

711
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 2: you a full US Open what we think is gonna

712
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 2: happen or could happen when the draw comes out on Thursday.

713
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 2: Up until then, we're going to talk a little bit

714
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 2: more about sort of the overview of everything.

715
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 3: We'll talk about players that we haven't mentioned. Who has

716
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 3: a good chat Jessica Bagoula Arena sunk.

717
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 2: Let me just add Jessica Bagoula backing up. I'm winning

718
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 2: in Canada was very impressive and I keep I keep

719
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 2: pulling for jess to win a Grand Slam, if not

720
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 2: even to win one, just get to a semi final,

721
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 2: because we know that she's been so close to breaking through.

722
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 2: Of course, that quarterfinal at the Wimbledon last year, I

723
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 2: think was I.

724
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: Think that really affected her for quite a while.

725
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 2: I think she changed coaches and now she's getting into

726
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 2: a nice rhythm with her new coaching team, Mark Merklan,

727
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 2: who's a great guy, and Mark Knowles. She's got Marky

728
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 2: Mark and the Funky Bunch, that's what she called her team.

729
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 2: Just came up with that Wow Jess and her Markey Marx.

730
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 2: But I think that she has a real shot to

731
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 2: win the US Open this year. There's no one outstanding.

732
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 2: Sablanca's not playing well.

733
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 3: Rebarkna, she's been a big I mean, she's had unlucky food,

734
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 3: poisoning and injury.

735
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: Like just she's had what he's going on with, I

736
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: don't know.

737
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 3: I love her though, I really want her to do

738
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 3: well because the game is better when she's at the

739
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 3: top of it. But it's just with I've had have

740
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 3: been a non factor this summer.

741
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, this does feel like an open opportunity for Jess Pagola.

742
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 2: And I just wonder how much Rabakina was affected by

743
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 2: Wimbledon because she was so overwhelming favorite to win that tournament. Yeah,

744
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 2: and so I just wonder how much her not getting

745
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,959
Speaker 2: through that semi final and losing that match affected her.

746
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: Now.

747
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 3: The one thing I'll also say, and we haven't touched

748
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 3: on her this year, but she's been in now two

749
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 3: major finals is Jasmine Paulini. She has an Olympic gold

750
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 3: medal in doubles. My favorite player, Sarah Rani, she's your

751
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 3: favorite player. But is she a factor in the US Open.

752
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be a little bit tough

753
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 2: for her on the faster court of the US Open.

754
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,959
Speaker 2: I wouldn't put it past her because She's so capable

755
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 2: of winning, as we know, on any surface, grass, clay, whatever.

756
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 2: She's one of my favorite players. And I've said this

757
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 2: for years. I've said this for years.

758
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: You have nobody listened to Nobody listened to me.

759
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 3: I know.

760
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: It's one of the it's the curse of being Renette.

761
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: It's the curse of being right. Okay, she's she does

762
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: doesn't have a weakness.

763
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 2: Now, she's like five foot three, she's tiny, and but

764
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 2: she This is a lesson for everyone at home that's

765
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 2: teaching tennis. It's all about technique. And if you have

766
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 2: a really good technique and you have great heart, and

767
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 2: you work hard, you can achieve a lot of things.

768
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 2: And she has great technique on foehand, great technique.

769
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: On her back end.

770
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 2: She has a nice slice, she has a beautiful service motion.

771
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 2: Like there's little things in her game that you can

772
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 2: pull from and say. She does everything really well. She

773
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 2: bollies well, she plays doubles. She wants a gold medal

774
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 2: in doubles.

775
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: With Sarah Rani. Who couldn't hit a serve in two?

776
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: You I mean, collectively those guys are shorter than.

777
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 3: Raleopelker totally right, Yeah, I mean basically, yeah, not great

778
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 3: at math.

779
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: So oh and a shout out to Rileyohperlko's who's back.

780
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: It's so great to see Raleiopelker back.

781
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 2: But I love sir Button back and back and by

782
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 2: and well, nice to see him back and healthy. I

783
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,719
Speaker 2: just want to I'm just glad he's back and healthy too.

784
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 2: But yes, Jasmin Paulini has been a great surprise for me.

785
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: And have you seen a happier person on the No,

786
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: It's delightful to watch her on court.

787
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 2: That's why when I think about Alcarez, I'm like, you

788
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 2: compare Alcarez and Pauolini because they're so hugely like funny

789
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 2: and laughing, and then you see him lose his damn mind.

790
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: She actually lost her damn mine.

791
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 2: At the at the Olympics as well, did she Yeah,

792
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 2: she got like all crazy too, and we haven't you

793
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 2: don't see her getting upset. Yeah, she lost like eight

794
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 2: points in a row to lose that game.

795
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 3: That's the pressure of now, the tension and the Olympics

796
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 3: and being in late stages of you know, finals.

797
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: I get I get it.

798
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 3: I mean when you're I think it's easier to be

799
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,439
Speaker 3: bubbly and happy when people don't necessarily see you coming,

800
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 3: but when everyone starts asking you like how did you lose?

801
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 3: How could you possibly a blast that match? And you're like, well,

802
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 3: I can't win every match.

803
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

804
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 2: Well that's kind of like even with Eager, like the

805
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 2: pressure that she feels, you know, to perform all the time. Now,

806
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 2: you know, having done what she's done at the French Open.

807
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 2: I mean she's won five Grand slams now, you know,

808
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 2: four at the French one at the US Open, and

809
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 2: the constant question to Eagers can she went on a

810
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 2: fast hard She's won the US.

811
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: Open, so she knows she can do it.

812
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 2: Interestingly, they've changed the balls back to what they were

813
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 2: last year. They had last year they had the same

814
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 2: balls for the men and the women, and I know,

815
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 2: for example, Ash Barty hated the balls at the US Open,

816
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: and it's interesting that they've gone back to the older

817
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 2: the balls that were used two years ago, which is

818
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,439
Speaker 2: when Eager won the tournament. And I know she didn't

819
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: really like the balls. But for me, with her game, the.

820
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 1: Balls it's probably regular.

821
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 2: No, the balls are regular duty again instead of the

822
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 2: extra the heavier ones fluffy. Yeah, so they're going to

823
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 2: be fast and so I think that actually helps her

824
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 2: kick serve a little bit. You know, the ball will

825
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 2: be on her faster. But at the same time, I

826
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 2: think it does help in some regards with her spin.

827
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 2: So we'll see if that affects anyone this particularly who's

828
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 2: your favorite going into the.

829
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: US Open and before we see the drawers.

830
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,720
Speaker 3: I don't tend to do these predictions based on any facts.

831
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 3: I go with vibes and I want to see Arena

832
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 3: Sateleanca get a big title this summer.

833
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, where has she been?

834
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 3: I think she's got a new boyfriend. That's the reason

835
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,240
Speaker 3: she's not playing well. I think she's got a new boyfriend.

836
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 3: And I think she's she's vibes all summer. She's having

837
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 3: a brat summer. You know what, She's hot girl summer.

838
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 3: She doesn't care about tennis right now, but now she's

839
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 3: getting back into it because she's uh better care.

840
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: I mean, does she have to?

841
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 3: She's doing great without you know, winning she won the

842
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 3: Australian Yeah, but yeah, I want to have Balinka to win,

843
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 3: So I can't separate that from should she win, as

844
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 3: is she in a position mentally to win? But I

845
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 3: like her odds better than Coco's or actually Jessica Poola,

846
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 3: who I like a lot personally, but.

847
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 2: Not I thinks I'm gonna I'm gonna pick jess as

848
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 2: breaking through, breaking through to get to a semi and

849
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 2: I think once like kind of like Novak, once you

850
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 2: break through something like that, getting to the finals. For

851
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 2: him of the Olympics, it was like all the pressure

852
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 2: was off his shoulders. And I think that's one of

853
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 2: the reasons why he did play so well, he played

854
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 2: so solid, is because it was kind of like a

855
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 2: little bit of a cherry on top. I know how

856
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,320
Speaker 2: much he wanted to win, but just the fact that

857
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 2: he had the opportunity I think sort of released a

858
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 2: lot of stress off him. And Carlos had all the

859
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 2: stress on him, yeah, because.

860
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: He just beat him.

861
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 2: And the finals anyway, there's so many great storylines going

862
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,919
Speaker 2: into the US Open. There's so many unknowns going into

863
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 2: the US Open, particularly on the well actually on the

864
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 2: women's and the men's side tennis is there's no one

865
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 2: for the very first and I can say this honestly,

866
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 2: there is no one going into the US Open this

867
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 2: year that is a favorite like that.

868
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: There's no one like there's you know when when you live.

869
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 3: You know, the mother of Georgie weren't on the run

870
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 3: from Italian tax authorities. She's always my dark horse favorite.

871
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,399
Speaker 2: That's great, But I mean I can honestly say there's

872
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 2: never been one US Open or one Grand Slam where

873
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 2: someone hasn't been a little bit more glaringly the pot

874
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 2: like you're a favorite there.

875
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like there's a leader. There's no one.

876
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 3: All right, Well, let's loop back to this in a

877
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 3: week's time when we have the draw, we can do

878
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 3: a complete draw breakdown, maybe with our friend Andrea Petkovich.

879
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 1: Yes, will be in town. But for now we are

880
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: going to invite to the stage.

881
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 4: Uh.

882
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 3: I introduced him before, but I'm gonna do it again

883
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 3: so he has a benefit of hearing it. Story journalist,

884
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 3: founder of Futurism, the bad boy of Substack, and uh

885
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 3: the author of Rackets forthcoming issue number twenty five cover

886
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 3: story which is coming out in a week's time. I

887
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 3: don't think you've seen this yet, Foster. This is our

888
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 3: AI generated cover of one Andre Agacy. This is a

889
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 3: proof from the printer. It hasn't even been released yet.

890
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 3: There's some other incredible AI art to go along with

891
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:39,439
Speaker 3: Foster's incredible cover story.

892
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: And let me introduce you to Renee Stubs. Renee Stubs, Foster.

893
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 4: Were talking about vibes.

894
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 3: We're just talking about vibes. Great, We're the vibe ist

895
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 3: tennis podcasts that there are.

896
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 4: I'm a vibes guy.

897
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 3: I'm here to vibe for those of you who are

898
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 3: not as who are more plugged into the tennis space.

899
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 3: In the media space, Foster's substack every Friday Foster is

900
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 3: the must read of everyone in media, not least of

901
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 3: which because you give a weather report for all sorts

902
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 3: of far flung places.

903
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do for fun.

904
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 5: Wherever it's summer in your mind, it's clear and sunny

905
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 5: and warm and cap Farrat.

906
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: This week, I'm always mentally in cap Farota.

907
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:20,919
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.

908
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: Vibes, vibes, you got to you gotta tell me about this.

909
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 2: So tell me about Andre, the connection, like just everything

910
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: about him that you feel like people don't know about Andre.

911
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 3: Well, wait, I just want to say, you have written

912
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 3: brilliantly for GQ. You did a big piece about f One.

913
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 3: You've written for all sorts of publications, Nritimes Magazine, New

914
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 3: York mag You even wrote about red carpets for A

915
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 3: twenty four This is not the first time you've written

916
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 3: about Andre Agassy, though, No.

917
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 4: It's not.

918
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 5: I actually interviewed Andrea Agassy in early twenty eleven when

919
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 5: he was promoting Topspin for the video game Sure for Favorite, Yeah,

920
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 5: Everyone's favorite tennis video game, and Andrea was on the cover,

921
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 5: and we spoke for about twenty minutes, and it was

922
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 5: barn on one of the funnier interviews I've ever done,

923
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 5: because when you're promoting a video game, you're supposed to

924
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 5: talk about the video game Sure, And within the first

925
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 5: five minutes of that interview, we established that not only

926
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 5: does Andrea Agacy not play video games, he hasn't played

927
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 5: the video game he's promoting. And he thought it was

928
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 5: especially funny that you could manipulate a digital Andrea Agacy

929
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 5: to move around to court in far better ways than

930
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 5: he had been able to for the last ten to

931
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 5: twenty years, if not ever, that's.

932
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: A very insightful takeaway from Andre Agasy. Yeah, to be

933
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: a pretty.

934
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 4: Insightful guy, known to be a pretty insightful guy, and he.

935
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 5: Just had no truck with talking about the video game,

936
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 5: and he was much more interested in talking about the

937
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 5: education efforts that he had started in his post tennis career.

938
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 5: Yeahing starting these charter schools in Las Vegas that have

939
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 5: become massive successes onto themselves. And the interview ended on

940
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 5: a particularly strange note about the charter schools, where he

941
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 5: insisted that he believed in letting children unionize like the teamsters.

942
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 1: Insane.

943
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 5: Actually, yeah, he believed in He wanted a children's union,

944
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 5: which not about it. Listen if mom in third grade,

945
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 5: I love that idea.

946
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 3: Also, famously, Andrea Gassy had a pretty rocky relationship with

947
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 3: his dad, and so you can hear the child inside

948
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 3: Andrea Agacy probably wanting to be emancipated.

949
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: Who loves that idea?

950
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 5: Oh, if we're getting under the hood, I don't know

951
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 5: where to begin, but yes he did.

952
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: We were about to.

953
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 3: Get under the hood because ultimately, unfortunately, so two things

954
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 3: happen with this cover story.

955
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: First of all, it's one of the best things we've

956
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:54,959
Speaker 1: ever published in Racket.

957
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 4: Oh thank you.

958
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 3: That's really it's a thrill to be able to talk

959
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 3: to you about it, because it's just a beautiful, beautiful, generous, human,

960
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 3: thoughtful story. But also lamentably at the last minute. We

961
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 3: weren't able to get you and Andre together because he

962
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 3: was I think, off to Romania to play pickleball or

963
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 3: appearing in Cincinnati.

964
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 5: He was off to Romania that actually play tennis. I

965
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,240
Speaker 5: was gonna say playing pickle.

966
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: Not mention those two words, Romania and pickleball.

967
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 4: Okay, he was playing pickleball in a lot of other places.

968
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, lamentably is a great euphemism for how it felt

969
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 5: to have this interview not come together at the last second.

970
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a bummer, but also not that uncommon.

971
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 3: I mean, frankly, we've done plenty of pieces where you

972
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 3: write around the athlete and you kind of get some

973
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 3: I don't know Werner heard.

974
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: Zoggy and ecstatic true to people if you don't hear

975
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: them from the person themselves.

976
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 4: It's true for those who are not versed.

977
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 5: In the Verbiaga journalism, it is called to write around,

978
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 5: and this occasionally happens and a subject does not participate. Normally,

979
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 5: what a ride around often entails is speaking with the

980
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 5: sources around the person. We had so little time. I

981
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 5: just ended up writing a sixty five hundred word essay.

982
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 5: I don't know what the final word count is.

983
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: It's around there.

984
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 5: But yeah, I ended up writing an essay about being

985
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 5: from Las Vegas and Andre's kind of recession from the

986
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 5: tennis world and working in education and stepping away from

987
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 5: the limelight and how he started to move back into

988
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 5: it and getting under the hood with the psychology of

989
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:42,720
Speaker 5: things like his father and how much he hated tennis,

990
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 5: and what an insane revelation that was for any athlete

991
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 5: to come out with. When he came out with his

992
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 5: memoir admitted and he did, in fact hate tennis.

993
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 4: He hated doing it. He was forced by his dad

994
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 4: to do it.

995
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 5: And for me, when I read his memoir, that was

996
00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 5: the most striking thing everybody remembers. And the wig and

997
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 5: the brookshielded it all though, and all those things and

998
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 5: Pete Sampress being a bad tipper.

999
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: I can't learn that about Pete Sampress.

1000
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 5: Which, by the way, if you're going to say something

1001
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 5: mean about somebody, that's a good one to start with.

1002
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 5: It's an incredible one because nobody is going to take

1003
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 5: Pete Samprass's side.

1004
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, just cheap it is. And also it feels so

1005
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: true because it's relatively low stakes.

1006
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 4: It's so low stakes you're like.

1007
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: I know that that's true, even if though I don't

1008
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: know that that's true.

1009
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can't be mad at Andre for.

1010
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: Saying, oh, no, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant. Andre's the opposite. He's

1011
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: like the guy that'll leave a hundred bucks on the

1012
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: table for a tip. You know that he's that guy? White, Sure,

1013
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: I know, I've I've basically seen it.

1014
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 2: But right, Yeah, so when you're that type of person,

1015
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 2: you take offence to people that are not super generous.

1016
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 5: And what also just in terms of small like minutia

1017
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 5: that you can say about somebody else that it feels

1018
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 5: validating for all the other things you want to say

1019
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 5: about this person is so artful.

1020
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 3: It's artful, it's beautiful, and that's to me like the

1021
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 3: shame of the I mean, the piece is amazing, and

1022
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 3: I want to sort of get into it and also

1023
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,720
Speaker 3: explain a little bit of the art that we chose

1024
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 3: and commissioned by an artist to go with it, because

1025
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 3: it essentially speculates to your point, what is he back for?

1026
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: He hated it. He told us he hated it. It

1027
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: was revelatory.

1028
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 3: Since then, we've had so many he kind of gave permission.

1029
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 3: I think for other athletes to talk about their fraud,

1030
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 3: relationships with the sport itself, maybe their parents, the feelings

1031
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 3: of commitment and pressure. And we sort of by illustrating

1032
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 3: it the way we did, I think, really hold up

1033
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 3: your the essential truth of your piece, which is is

1034
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 3: he coming back to sort of be a pope, a

1035
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 3: leader religious figure because we don't have a leader really

1036
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 3: in this space? Is he leading this pack of you know,

1037
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 3: sort of there's an image that we've illustrated where he's

1038
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 3: leading a pack of lions, you know, is he here

1039
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 3: to sort of be an aggressive and to remake this

1040
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 3: space in his own image? Is he an entertainer like

1041
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 3: we have on the cover, Like what's he has those

1042
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 3: elements in him?

1043
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: But why and what are we dealing with now that

1044
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: he's back?

1045
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 4: We don't know.

1046
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, we don't know. I mean, you know, some of

1047
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 5: the theorizing I do is he did up kids. They

1048
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 5: are now of adult age, so he's an empty nester.

1049
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 5: He has accomplished everything he set out to do in

1050
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 5: the education space, certain, like without question, And can.

1051
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: You speak to that a little bit because you're from Vegas,

1052
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: Like is this a real? It's a real It's not

1053
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: just a.

1054
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 5: You know, it's a real no, it's this is not

1055
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 5: like a vanity endeavor. It was very functional. There have

1056
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 5: been I can't remember when the first graduating class was,

1057
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 5: but I believe it's well over a decade ago. It's

1058
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:47,760
Speaker 5: amazing and the I think there might be two schools

1059
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 5: I'm forgetting off hand, but there have been several education

1060
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 5: efforts beyond the schools.

1061
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: It's clear he meant it very much put his entire self.

1062
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, he stopped doing his his charity event because they

1063
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 2: had enough money to be able to you know, invest

1064
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 2: it and put it through and basically continue helping the

1065
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 2: schools without having to do another gala. I mean they

1066
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 2: were making like ten fifteen million dollars every time they

1067
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 2: did their gala, so their events, so they had put

1068
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 2: that into a you know, who knows what a roth

1069
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 2: ira and that we're making it so much money on it.

1070
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1071
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 2: So so the bottom line is that I think that,

1072
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 2: you know, what he did in the educational space was

1073
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:25,280
Speaker 2: just incredible.

1074
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: So do you feel like maybe he feels like, Okay,

1075
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: it's in a good space. I think you're right.

1076
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 2: I think he's an empty ness to the kids. Are

1077
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 2: you know, his son is off at school. His daughter's

1078
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 2: you know, also of age of not needing to have,

1079
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 2: you know, have parents looking after her. So I think,

1080
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,399
Speaker 2: you know, him and Stephie have decided like they want

1081
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 2: to get out and about, and he wants to get

1082
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 2: back in the tennis spates and be more seen. I

1083
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 2: know Stephie hates it, she would rather be anywhere else.

1084
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: But also at the same time, you know.

1085
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 2: It's a chance for her to spend some time with

1086
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 2: her husband, who has been moving around and traveling a

1087
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 2: lot as.

1088
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 4: Well, so you know, and that's the other thing.

1089
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 5: They managed to reach a children, two children who are

1090
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 5: the kids of arguably two of then most not arguably

1091
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 5: two of the most famous tennis players of all time. Yes,

1092
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Speaker 5: and they managed to keep those children out of the limelight,

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00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 5: away from celebrity, which having gone through that both of them,

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Speaker 5: I can't imagine what a gift of parenting that must

1095
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 5: have felt like to give your children.

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Speaker 1: Well, I can tell you I see them personally with

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00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: their kids, and they're amazing. They're amazing parents. Steffi's an

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00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: amazing mom.

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Speaker 2: She's such a hands on person, and both Andre and

1100
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 2: Stephie are incredible parents. So you know, I hope they're enjoying,

1101
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 2: you know, now the second stage of their their lives

1102
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 2: as far as the kids being out of their care

1103
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 2: basically and doing so.

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Speaker 1: And I love that they're back in tennis. I mean,

1105
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 1: we want them back more in tennis.

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00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 3: Tennis needs some charismatic, big picture thinker celebrity types who

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00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 3: aren't you know, John McEnroe basically, and.

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Speaker 4: Especially in America.

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00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: In America, come on, and and so you know, I

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Speaker 1: think the.

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00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 4: Groundwork was set for that return. But then there's the

1112
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Speaker 4: why bother of it all.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and we know that regardless of how much Andre

1114
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 5: hated tennis or not, he does have a competitive instinct.

1115
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,760
Speaker 4: Yes, and I do think there's a real.

1116
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 5: Narrative to be examined with regard to the way he

1117
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 5: felt about tennis. His father also died a couple of

1118
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 5: years ago, and you know, his father is the person

1119
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 5: who effectively forced this sport on him. And it was

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Speaker 5: the being forced into the sport and being taken away

1121
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Speaker 5: from all the normal things.

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00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 4: A childhood might entail, and all the competitiveness and.

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00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 5: All the vicissitudes that being a professional tennis player involves.

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00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 4: That made him hate it. And so this thing that

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00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 4: has defined him for so much of his life he's

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00:49:56,280 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 4: had such a fraught, tortured relationship with Maybe the third

1127
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 4: actor is about repairing that relationship. Maybe the third act

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00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 4: is about putting.

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Speaker 5: Some kind of capstone on that narrative to where he

1130
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 5: can get to a point where he loves the score, yeah,

1131
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 5: and to where he feels that his legacy isn't just

1132
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 5: as a guy who won and changed the game and

1133
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 5: then became one of the most charitable athletes of all time, yeah,

1134
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 5: but also found a way to love.

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Speaker 1: It and.

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Speaker 2: Also, arguably I will say, you know, if you've clearly

1137
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 2: read the book as we all have, it's one of

1138
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 2: the great books ever written, I think. But also one

1139
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 2: of the things that I loved about it and bringing

1140
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 2: it back to tennis and his love hate of it,

1141
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 2: is that, as you know, in the last couple of

1142
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 2: pages of the book, he basically says, if I didn't

1143
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 2: have tennis, I would not have met my wife, I

1144
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 2: would not have.

1145
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:48,800
Speaker 1: Had my kids, I would not have the life that

1146
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: I have.

1147
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:53,240
Speaker 2: So in the end, it brought him his greatest joys

1148
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 2: and gifts, you know, besides the money and the trophies

1149
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 2: and all that, it actually gave him the most important three.

1150
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: People in his life, which is his wife and two children.

1151
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 2: So for me, that's that was one of the most

1152
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 2: I cried the second to last page when they went

1153
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 2: and played tennis on that public court and the two

1154
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 2: of them were just hitting and they both because they

1155
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 2: both had their fraught moments, believe me, of being professional

1156
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 2: tennis players, both had very difficult fathers, and so I think,

1157
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 2: you know, to have them hitting tennis balls on a

1158
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 2: public court, you know, for me, it was just like

1159
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,479
Speaker 2: and they had that epiphany, both of them, like Wow,

1160
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 2: we have each other and this sport gave us each

1161
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 2: other and our family and our lives. And I just

1162
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 2: was like, oh, it's like a mess crying like reading

1163
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 2: that because I knowing them so well.

1164
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Speaker 5: For anybody listening to this who had not bothered to

1165
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 5: read open well, you said about it not just being

1166
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 5: one of the great sports books, but one of the

1167
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 5: greatest memoirs of all time.

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00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:45,879
Speaker 4: It's absolutely true.

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Speaker 5: It was written with a Pulitzer winner named jam Owinger,

1170
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,879
Speaker 5: and it is phenomenal, and it's such a beautiful psychological

1171
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 5: study and it is truly so open hearted.

1172
00:51:57,960 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, it's fair.

1173
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 3: Uh, it's human in such a fundamental way about the

1174
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 3: experience of being alive and being a son and being

1175
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 3: a person who's you know, sort of encountering the quotidian

1176
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,240
Speaker 3: and the sublime in a way that's like you forget

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00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 3: for a while while you're reading it that this guy

1178
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 3: is also accomplishing what he's accomplishing. It doesn't read sports,

1179
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 3: And then there we were in you know, I was

1180
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 3: at the Super Bowl, and everyone's coming up saying it

1181
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 3: doesn't read like that at all. It reads as a

1182
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 3: deeply it's sort of pristian almost like I think that's

1183
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 3: why it hits with.

1184
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: Sort of the literary, you know, sort of.

1185
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:43,280
Speaker 2: Media types who appreciate the writing, but also with everybody

1186
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 2: who's maybe more listen. I'm not a massive reader because

1187
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 2: because I like kun't keep my focus on anything. But

1188
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 2: I read that book and I just I loved every

1189
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 2: page of it, and it was so it was so

1190
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 2: beautifully I'm going to ask.

1191
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 3: You about sort of Foster's theory because this piece, you know,

1192
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 3: he is such a beautiful sort of continuation of open

1193
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 3: and it sort of speculates I think maybe personally it's

1194
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:08,720
Speaker 3: about him loving the sport again.

1195
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: And repairing that relationship.

1196
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 3: But I also want to ask you, like, do you

1197
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 3: agree that we need and Andre is certainly American tennis.

1198
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 3: We need somebody who can get We have seven governing bodies,

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00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 3: we have commentators from all sorts of different generations. Nobody

1200
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 3: really is in agreement with what the sport needs to do.

1201
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: We're taping this.

1202
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 3: Live at fanatics fests, and I see the NFL over there,

1203
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 3: and they're super on message and they know who they

1204
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 3: want to promote and how they want to promote the

1205
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 3: sport we're looking at. You know, the NBA is right

1206
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 3: in front of US, UFC is, UFC is over there

1207
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:45,879
Speaker 3: doing you know, live in the octagon. All these other

1208
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 3: sports kind of have it together. Tennis is not here.

1209
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: No, tennis doesn't know how to promote itself, certainly not

1210
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: in this country. Tennis is terrible at promoting itself.

1211
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 2: It wasn't a canned lion where all the cmos of

1212
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,320
Speaker 2: every marketing you know, every marketing person who writes a

1213
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,399
Speaker 2: check to a sports evan to or whatever not there

1214
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 2: you know here right now, you know at Finad, no

1215
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 2: tennis spears.

1216
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 3: There's a hockey demonstration, there's trading cards, there's everything. Pretty much,

1217
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 3: I think league wise, I'm sure I saw like a

1218
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 3: foosball competitive.

1219
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 2: Leah action and the critically everyone Kaitlin, so, how can

1220
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 2: we do this better?

1221
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 4: Right?

1222
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 3: And like where can Andre fit in? Because it kind

1223
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 3: of feels like he could be the pope.

1224
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 5: I mean, he's going to be the captain of the

1225
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 5: rest of the world Labor Cup team, that's right, that's

1226
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 5: the start. He's already shown up this year at the

1227
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 5: Australian Open in Wimbledon. Yeah, we learned that he is

1228
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 5: working on a kind of Netflix Beckham style documentary about

1229
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 5: his life, and I think those things are going to

1230
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 5: bring a.

1231
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 4: Lot of visibility of this sport.

1232
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 5: Also, it bears keeping in mind people forget Andre really

1233
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 5: was the first radical tennis celebrity in the way.

1234
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: That he was, in the way that he was.

1235
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:02,760
Speaker 5: Absolutely he was a style lads, cool shoes, incredible endorsement.

1236
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,959
Speaker 2: He definitely changed the he changed the like you said,

1237
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 2: the cool, the cool of you know, the shorts, the

1238
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 2: I have denim shorts on right now.

1239
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 1: That's what he was playing in the US hoping and

1240
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 1: is crazy what he was doing. Is that why you're

1241
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: wearing denim hints?

1242
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 2: That's definitely it. You're paying thousand degrees outside here in

1243
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 2: the York.

1244
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 3: But anyway, well, I think that we're happy to have

1245
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,720
Speaker 3: him back, and we're happy to have you in the issue.

1246
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 1: Thank you so so much. I have a gift for you.

1247
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wait until after we take it.

1248
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 4: I can't wait to give it to you.

1249
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you for being part of it.

1250
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 3: The last question I'll ask you is one of the

1251
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 3: things I was so excited about and where I did

1252
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 3: my journalism. I did my final journalism capstone projects at

1253
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 3: the University of Missouri on David Granger's Esquire, getting him

1254
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 3: to come back and guest edit the issue of the

1255
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 3: magazine and then work with you, who had overlapped with

1256
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 3: him at Esquire.

1257
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 5: I had worked with David Granger hired me at Esquire,

1258
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,800
Speaker 5: And for those who don't know, David Granger is truly

1259
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:01,240
Speaker 5: a legendary editor in the journalist space and then magazine

1260
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,240
Speaker 5: space as far as they go. He changed the face

1261
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 5: of media and what a magazine can be. And even

1262
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 5: though magazines obviously don't have the same prominence that they

1263
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:17,839
Speaker 5: do now, all of media blogs, you know, podcast long form,

1264
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 5: and yes, you can trace it back in somewhere or

1265
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:22,720
Speaker 5: another to the GQ, he worked at in the Esquire,

1266
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 5: he worked out and so yeah, it was absolutely incredible

1267
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 5: to work with David again. What an amazing pleasure. I

1268
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 5: cannot I can't wait to read the rest of the

1269
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 5: issue to.

1270
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 4: See it is so David with you.

1271
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 1: He's done such a phenomenal job.

1272
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 3: It was incredible to give him the keys and just

1273
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 3: try to throw the best people I could think of,

1274
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 3: some of whom he brought, some of whom I knew

1275
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 3: at this effort. And We'll be launching it this Thursday,

1276
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 3: and I'll see you there as well as him.

1277
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:51,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, everybody buy it.

1278
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: Everybody buy it.

1279
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 2: Not only everyone buy it, but come to the party.

1280
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 2: It's Thursday, top of Radio City Music Hall, on top

1281
00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 2: of the rock. It's going to be fun. We've had

1282
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 2: a blost at Fanatics. I mean, what what Fanatics and

1283
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 2: the fest do here is absolutely amazing.

1284
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: It's only going to get bigger.

1285
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 2: iHeart is doing such a phenomenal job with promoting all

1286
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 2: the sports, and particularly women's sports. So we so appreciate

1287
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 2: all the work that they've done. Here are clearly deep blue.

1288
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 2: Thank you guys, Thank you everyone for just you know,

1289
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 2: listening to our nonsense today. We hope to get into

1290
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 2: the nitty gritty of the US Open next week, and

1291
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 2: all the drawers are going to come out, and the

1292
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 2: US Open is about start, and I cannot wait.

1293
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: It's going to be so much fun.

1294
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 3: Our super Bowl, it's our ask your season, it's our

1295
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 3: brilli ladness. You know.

1296
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 2: Once the Olympics was done, I was very sad that

1297
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 2: next day. So I'm very ready for the US Open.

1298
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 1: Thank you so much to Faster for joining us, Thank

1299
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: you for being here, thank you, thanks, and we'll see

1300
00:57:50,760 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: you guys real sick. Thanks, thanks, thanks, thank dit