1 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: It's not about the ones about in life. And I 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 1: have been given the opportunity to be an important part 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: of everybody's fool right their spirit of influence. Um, you 4 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: know the people they want to help make big decisions. 5 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: People they wanted their wedding. Um, yeah, that's my wife. 6 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: I feel really wired into what is the experience that 7 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: each of my players are having because I'm in their life. 8 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: This is the Reformed Sports Project, a podcast about restoring 9 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: healthy balance and perspective in all areas of sports through 10 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: education and advocacy. Hi, this is Nick Bonacore from the 11 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: Reformed Sports Project podcast. My guest today is Courtney Banghart, 12 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: head women's basketball coach at the University of North Carolina. 13 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 1: Prior to taking over the tar Heel program in two 14 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: thousand nineteen, Coach Bangharts served as the women's head coach 15 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: at Princeton University, where she helped lead the Tigers to 16 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: seven IVY League titles and eight n c a A 17 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: Tournament appearances throughout her tenure. In two thousand fifteen, Coach 18 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: Banghart was named one of the World fifty Greatest Leaders 19 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: by Fortune Magazine after guiding Princeton to a thirty and 20 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: old regular season record. Courtney and I discuss how she 21 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: best supports athletes navigating the trans Reporter and n I 22 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: l the importance of operating without fear of failure and 23 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 1: why she believes it's crucial to provide her players with 24 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: a memorable, positive experience. Man, I am absolutely fired up. 25 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: She's extremely busy. She runs one of the top women's 26 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: basketball programs in the country of one of the biggest 27 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: brands in the world, and I'm super pumped to have 28 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: her head women's basketball coach for the tar Heels at 29 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: the University of North Carolina. Courtney Banghart coach, court thank 30 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: you so much. I appreciate you hopping on. I'm looking 31 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: forward to it. I know you're doing good work. Well, 32 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. And um, you know we're talking youth sports, 33 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 1: athletic development and first and foremost coach real quick to 34 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: get into it. Like what a season last year? I mean, 35 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: expectations coming out of the gate. Now, uh for three 36 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: through the roof, I mean, what do you think were 37 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: you expecting to have such success right out of the gate? 38 00:01:57,880 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: You know, you're take an opportunity and you make your 39 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: just decision of where you're gonna work. You choose variables 40 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: that you think can promote your success, right, And I 41 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: felt like Caroline is a place where basketball matters um 42 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: as you said, it's a really international brand where I 43 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: would be able to have access to talent all over 44 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 1: the world. Um. And then it was a place that's 45 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 1: it's a community and and usually when you have a community, 46 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: people want to be a part of that. And so 47 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: you know, it crossed off a lot of my boxes 48 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: and I drove right in and giving it my best effort. 49 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: For sure. Well you're doing incredible work, coach. And you 50 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: know there's a topic that I would love to get 51 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: into that a lot of sports parents. UM, I want 52 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 1: to say it's a hot button topic. It's I don't 53 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if we consider it that or not, 54 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: but it's it's it's the reclassification piece of everything. I mean, 55 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: you know, it seems to me I always make the 56 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 1: argument coach that I feel like the youth sports culture 57 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: what doesn't matter the sport. I feel like the whole 58 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: ecosystem is kind of derived around exposure. I mean, if 59 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: you're a parent and your kids a halfway decent athlete 60 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: would do parents would do? Kids want to get they 61 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: want to get seen, they want to get recruited, they 62 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 1: want to find out where they can be the best. 63 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: And now you're seeing situations where you know, I know 64 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: I had to deal with it. You know, my son 65 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 1: is a wrestler, and I heard it when he was 66 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 1: in middle school, like, hey, red shirt him And I 67 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: was like, red shirt. Hi, he's in middle school and 68 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: people like, no, hold them back a year, and I'm like, 69 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: he's a straight A student, Like what are you talking about? 70 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: You know, so I didn't really understand that at the time. Um, 71 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: to reach a zone, but it seems so prevalent. Now, 72 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: what are your thoughts or just give us some feedback 73 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: on this reclassification at least when I say re class 74 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 1: I mean holding literally deliberately holding your kid back so 75 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: that they're older and I guess, in essence have an 76 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: advantage from an athletic standpoint. Yeah, I mean I think parenting. 77 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: I've got three small kids of my own as well, 78 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: and as parents, we we do the best we can. 79 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: And I think there's always variable or a play in 80 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: that way. Um, so you know, whether it's to keep 81 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: him home for an extra year, there's a maturity bit. 82 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: Certainly there's a sports bit, there's an academic bit. I mean, 83 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: there's lots of different things that can Maybe you're moving 84 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: and you want them to, um get accustomed through the 85 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: school before they get started. You know, who knows, but um, 86 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: I do think that the value of these college scholarships, 87 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: as the education prices have gone so high. Um, you know, 88 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: there's for some families, that's a variable that's too hard 89 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: to ignore. You know, how can we give our kids 90 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: their best chance to get their education paid for given 91 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: how expensive things have become? Um? And so you know 92 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: there's I guess there's variables and in parents doing the 93 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: best they can that makes sense for their families and 94 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: your young ones. So do you, as as a does 95 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: that something you take into consideration? Like if you're if 96 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: you're recruiting someone, you see their nineteen versus seventeen. You know, 97 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: is it like, wow, that kid's only seventeen, there could 98 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: be more upside or is it wow, that kid's nineteen 99 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 1: and she can maybe have an immediate impact. Is there 100 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: an advantage to to being older or younger? Or you know, 101 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: can you give a little perspective on that? Yeah, you know, 102 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: talent is talent, right, and so I think when you're 103 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 1: talking about careers, like in football where your your body 104 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: can only take so many hits or whatnot, maybe the 105 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: age thing is more effector. But with the transfer portal 106 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: in basketball, you know, you certainly like experience UM over 107 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: sometimes youth, but you can get that through the portal 108 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: more than you can over reclassification UM. And so you know, 109 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: I think the portal is changing things in athletics at 110 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 1: at a rapid rate UM. And it's it's kind of 111 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: putting experience versus in experience on full display. UM. But no, 112 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 1: I you know, when they reclassifyed, they just literally moved 113 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: from one year of our recruiting list to the next one. 114 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: And that's about all the thought we put into it. Wow. 115 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,679 Speaker 1: All right. So it's not like you're sitting there going, wow, 116 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: this kid might not want to compete. You know, they're 117 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 1: running away from someone who's in front of them. You know, 118 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,919 Speaker 1: there's no like element of over analyzing it. Oh not 119 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: for basketball, you know. I think again you're talking one 120 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: year difference, and is that year at a prep school 121 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: that has you know, you came from a small community 122 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 1: and you want a more competitive year or did you 123 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: need to get your academic work and better order or 124 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: you know that kind of thing. But you know, when 125 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: when we can go to the transport portal and get 126 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 1: a you know, a grad transfer over someone who you're 127 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: kind of splitting here is whether they're eighteen or nineteen, 128 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: when they get there, you know, it becomes a wash. 129 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 1: So the trans report, it's interesting you bring that up 130 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: because that's such a you know, people hear about it, 131 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 1: we see it. You know, you have n I L 132 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:48,919 Speaker 1: you have all these different things, all these different components. 133 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 1: Do you feel like that trans report is an asset 134 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: as a coach? Do you feel like, you know, is 135 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: there a good and bad? Can you kind of get 136 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: into how do you feel it's impacting you know, college 137 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: sports now and how do you think you see the 138 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: evolving Yeah, I mean the trans purportal is game changing 139 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: in every way. You know. I think it's the daring quote, right, 140 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: It's not not she was strongest survived, she who is 141 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: most adaptable to change and so the transfer portal is 142 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: here to stay. Give your listeners a little bit of 143 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 1: an edification on that. It's it's basically means in the past, 144 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: in basketball, you wanted to transfer universities and in programs 145 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: you had to sit a year in residence before you're 146 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: able to play, and so that would in some cases, 147 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: one would argue, would deter their reason for transferring, and 148 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: that the numbers weren't showing that the numbers were showing 149 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: there were still an alarming rate of people that were 150 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: choosing to leave our institutions. UM and other sports had 151 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: the transfer and play right away, and they weren't transferring 152 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: it quite the high rate. So what's happened is is 153 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: we have almost a thousand every year and now in 154 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: the transfer portal, because you no longer have to sit, 155 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 1: you can play at your next university right away, UM. 156 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: And so players have an opportunity to to find a 157 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: new fit. UM. They also have an opportunity to avoid 158 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: the challenges of transition, which is not necessarily helping them, right, 159 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: But coaches at the same time get to get to 160 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: remedy their roster out still holes more immediately as well. UM. 161 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: And so there's so many things going to play in 162 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: so many ways, and you can utilize the transfer portal 163 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: to your advantage and how it can it can come 164 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: to your disadvantage as well. UM. Then it's one of 165 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: those things we're constantly adapting to UM in roster management 166 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: is a real conversation because now your own roster can 167 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: lead without any sort of penalty as well. UM. And 168 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: so it's just a constant ebb and flow now and 169 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: you're really taking it one year at a time and 170 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: wearying less about what what a four year map like. 171 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: So it's one of those deals where it's like, you know, 172 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: you use that word avoid um almost like avoiding discomfort 173 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: or avoid transition, I think, is what you said. And 174 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: when when you think about that, you talked about finding 175 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: the right fit? Right, So how much of you know? 176 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I've gone through this now, and it's challenging 177 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: because I went to North Carolina Wesleyan College. It was 178 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: just a D three school when I was twelve years old. 179 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: I wasn't saying I wanted to go to North Carolina. 180 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: What I wanted to go to Miami. I want to 181 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: go to North Carolina. I want to go to the 182 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: big name schools. I wanted to play baseball for the 183 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: teams I saw at the College World Series, right, not 184 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: the Division three College World Series. Well, then fast forward 185 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: five years and that's where my fit was. But my 186 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: point and saying that is finding the right fit. How 187 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: many kids are getting the right advice coming along the way, right, 188 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: Because there's like this tug of war if I'm a trainer, 189 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: if I'm a coach and au program whatever it is, 190 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: and I want you to play for me. I want 191 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: to be able to pride you and your family with 192 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: the best exposure opportunity. I want you to know, hey, 193 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: I can find you a D one, Right, everyone wants 194 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: to go D one, Well, not everyone can play D one? 195 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: How do you navigate that right fit? You know? And 196 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: and because let's say you go to Carolina you want 197 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: to walk on, Well, it's not the right fit because 198 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: you can't play there, so you just transfer down? Like 199 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: how often do you see that? You know? You always 200 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: want to always say, people that have enough information typically 201 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,839 Speaker 1: make good decisions, right, And I think the way that 202 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: recruiting you recruiting is happening so dynamically. Sometimes kids aren't 203 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: getting the right information, and maybe they've got some pressures 204 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: curtly that are forcing them to do one or the other, 205 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: or maybe their own general is D one better liked 206 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: one's less expensive doesn't necessarily mean it's better, right, um? 207 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: And so the transfer is it is it allows for 208 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 1: mistakes corrected. It allows for people to have wad um 209 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: to kind of place plane like, Hey, I'm not right away, 210 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: so I'm gonna go somewhere else where I think I 211 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: can um you know. So it's you see it misinformation 212 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: as a part of the journey. For sure, you have 213 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: coaches and parents and things. Maybe you don't understand the 214 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: full scope and weigh in, but you know, it's part 215 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: of the maturation process is to try to seek information 216 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: and try to understand what you need to listen to. 217 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: And and someone don't learn that the first time, but 218 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 1: they learned it better the second time. A lot of 219 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:27,239 Speaker 1: people are learning right now. Myself included. State of Pennsylvania 220 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,959 Speaker 1: approved an early stage law that said that high school 221 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: students can now start earning money for name, image, likeness. 222 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: I feel like all these things are intertwined, and you're 223 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: seeing more and more states approve that. You know, I'm 224 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: sitting here and going, well, pretty soon, what is it 225 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: gonna be? You know, is it gonna be middle school 226 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 1: kids getting paid? How do you see n I l 227 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: playing into Because I feel like they're all intertwined, they're 228 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,599 Speaker 1: all new new things. Phenomenon is happening how does you 229 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: know a name image like is affect you know, high 230 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: school and even into you know college. Yeah, I mean 231 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: name hosn't likeness Like you said, it's an opportunity. It's 232 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: not a necessity or requirement, but it's an opportunity and 233 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: so UM for people that are able to capitalize on 234 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 1: want to capitalize on their likeness or their name or 235 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: their contribution. What it is not is pay for play. 236 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 1: What it is not is UM. You know, hey, if 237 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: you come here, you'll get this much money from us annually. 238 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: That's what it's not. However, there's you know, it's it's 239 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: the better you are or the more recognizable you are, 240 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 1: which means the more marketable you are. That's the way 241 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: that the sports will has worked. And so it's just 242 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: allowing student athletes to to recognize that and to help 243 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: promote whether it's products or values based things that that 244 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: allow them to kind of turn money for that UM 245 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: and so like that transfer portal, it's an adaptation that 246 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: US coaches have to manage UM and you know the 247 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: dynamicness of sport and also when you throw in the 248 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 1: gender equity component of it, I mean it's just it's 249 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 1: a it's a really exciting time for collegiate athletics, and 250 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: there's a lot of turns and so we're just I'm 251 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: diving into the dynamic space and do the best I 252 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: can to promote support the student athletes that we coach. 253 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: So as as a parent yourself, your kids will participate 254 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: in athletics. You know, I've got a I've got twin 255 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: boys that are eight. So I just dropped off one 256 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: of them at the baseball camp here at Carolina. The 257 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: other one is going to, um like a tennis uh 258 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: you know, tennis club camp right now. I've got a 259 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: six year old girl that that that plays as well. Um, 260 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: So they're kind of at the age where they're we're 261 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: giving them access to things and and we'll see what 262 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: how it works out as they continue to progress. But 263 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,719 Speaker 1: they have a very athletic mother, very athletic driven mother, 264 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: focused mother, and um, it's not my life they're living, 265 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: it's there. So I'm I'm looking forward to supporting them 266 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 1: in whatever journey that that seems to stick for them. 267 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: I love it. So, yeah, you're going to the Carolina 268 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:33,439 Speaker 1: baseball camp. I love that because I know a lot 269 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: of those coaches. So then that's a great camp. By 270 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: the way, So are you a big advocate or do 271 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: you want your kids to be able to sample variety 272 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: of sports? Is that part? Is that part of your plan, 273 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: Like I want you to be exposed as much as 274 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 1: you want to figure it out. Do you think there's 275 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: an advantage or disadvantage to like single sports specialization, which 276 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: is also another thing that people think that that's the 277 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: way to go. Yeah, I'm absolutely not a fan of 278 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: sports specialization, especially at a young age. I mean, I 279 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: won fall sat jampisons in high school, and I played soccer, basketball, 280 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: and tennis. In the sets I learned, and that whether 281 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 1: it's footwork or spacing or across all four the best 282 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: players like coach Blake Dietrich, who played for over five 283 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 1: years in the w n b A coached her at Princeton. 284 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,959 Speaker 1: She played two sports in college Division one, lacrosse and basketball. UM. 285 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: And so I think sports specialization is um in some 286 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: way actually diminishes here. I cut at various valuable things, 287 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: angles and WHATNOTUM. But again, I think it's like parenting, right, 288 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: It's like you just you kind of have to do 289 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: the best you can. And so in some cases the 290 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: specialization is is what works for that family and for 291 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,079 Speaker 1: that child, and it's really it's not for me to 292 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: to to make these suggugments on that. But in terms 293 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: of my children, you know, they're they're gonna do everything 294 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 1: from swimming the water, skiing to uh to baseball too, 295 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: you know, to reading, to coding to you know, all 296 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: different things because they have they're really fortunate they have 297 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 1: they have an opportunity to be presented to lots of 298 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: different things and so lucky though, and that's what we 299 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: can provide for them. So we're gonna do that. When 300 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: we return, Coach bang Heart and I discuss how she 301 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: manages her competitiveness differently as a coach than as a player. 302 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: Welcome back where we left off. Coach Banghart and I 303 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: were about to talk about the importance of managing competitiveness 304 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,559 Speaker 1: and finding ways to separate yourself from your peers. Hold 305 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: on a second, Coach, I'm gonna just double back here. 306 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: Did you say you won twelve state championships in high school? 307 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: I did. I'm from a small state though I'm from 308 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 1: New Hampshire. Yeah. I won fourign soccer, I won um 309 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: three in basketball, and I won five in tennis because 310 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: I played both singles and doubles. Oh my god, I 311 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: don't care how small your state is. That's absurd to 312 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: win twelve state titles. I mean, obviously, you know the 313 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: competitive pieces something that's got to be. Like I can 314 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: hear the intensity and your voice. Is it all about competition? 315 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: I mean? Is that? I mean in order to be 316 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: able to be successful. I don't care what sport it is, 317 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: what level it is, but the longevity and the consistency, right, 318 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: Like Davos Sweeney said to me, coach Tweeney from Clemson, 319 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: he likes to study the ones who have been doing 320 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: it the longest, the most success. And I feel like 321 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: that's where you find out. And there's just element of competition, 322 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: competitiveness that kind of drives and gets involved. Where does 323 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: that come from within you? Is that intrinsic? Is this 324 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: something you developed? No, I haven't been a you know, 325 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: my first word was ball. It wasn't mom, it wasn't dad. 326 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 1: I mean I have been gravitated to athletics since I 327 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: was a very little kid. And um, everyone kind of 328 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: has what they they're little special. It's what I love 329 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: with my three kids. They're all very different and they're 330 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: close in age and they each kind of have their 331 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: own special light and and for me, athletics we've been 332 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: the thing that I've been most interested in invest at 333 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: and that's been pretty broad. Um. My competitiveness comes incredibly naturally, 334 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: and that's both kind of bad. I mean, I'm not 335 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: one who can just enjoy a card game. I'm a 336 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: little bit like you saw at the MJ in the 337 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: last dance, Like even on a way to games, he's competing. Um, 338 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: that's just ow wired um. And luckily for me, sports 339 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: have been you know, I'm post title nine, so sports 340 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: have been a way for me to both fatiate and 341 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: to demonstrate my both athleticism and my competitiveness. So how 342 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: do you harness that? Because I mean, listen, I'm a 343 00:14:57,520 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: type A. I love competing and love getting after. But 344 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: also at the same time, there is an element of like, 345 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever asked this question, but I 346 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: feel like, do you ever feel like I got to 347 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: pull this back a little bit? Like, especially as a parent, 348 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: how do you know when it's time to stay in 349 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: the fight and sometimes it's time to Hey, we need 350 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: to stop and reevaluate, Like do you ever have to 351 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: check yourself and your competitiveness, like maybe it's time to 352 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: pump the brakes here and reevaluate, you know, high coaching. 353 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: It's not about me anymore, right, So I'm demonstrate my 354 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: competitives in a much different way as a as a 355 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: coach it as a player. Right. For me, how I 356 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: compete every day now is how can I ensure that 357 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: I have the wherewithal the energy and the vision to 358 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: provide the very best opportunities for our players to have 359 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: the most memorable and successful experience. So I'm totally wired 360 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: into that, right, and that shows itself and much more 361 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: of a caretaking and much more of a mentorship, much 362 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: more of a of a inspirational way than it does 363 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: when I was competing as a player. Right, and then 364 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: as a parent, I'm just soft, Like I'm not at 365 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: all competitives. I don't. Yeah, I think living in the 366 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: competitive world, I just I don't. You know, the more 367 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: is gonna judge you everywhere you go. I just want 368 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: my kids to be as to have, um, just a 369 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: wonderful upbringing. I want them to I want them to 370 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: experience challenges. I want them to make friends, I want 371 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: them to to feel successful. I want them to you know, 372 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: so I you know, I could care less if you know, 373 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: I'm not worried about missing their soccer games because I'm working. 374 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: Like it's just just we're kind of sharing a life 375 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: and sometimes that means I have to adjust them as 376 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: they do. But I'm not competitive at all as apparent 377 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: at all, Like my kids are just who they are 378 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: and I'm happy to be a part of their life. 379 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: What is your why for coaching? And and also do 380 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: you have to ever revisit that? Fortunately, I think it's 381 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: really been ingrained in me allows me to really do 382 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: this profession honestly, and that is my why is. I 383 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: have really been lucky that the profession I have chosen 384 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: means that as people navigate their own life, both in 385 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: their twenties, thirties, forties, fifties and when they're ultimately on 386 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: their deathbed. Right, it's the who. We all understand that, right, 387 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: It's not about the what, It's about the who in life. 388 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: And I have been given the opportunity to be an 389 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: important part of everybody's food, right, their spirit influence, um, 390 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: you know, the people they want to help make big decisions. 391 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: People they wanted their wedding And I'm literally staring at 392 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: six wedding invites on my to do list today is 393 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: RSPP to these wedding invites from foreign players, right, um, 394 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: And so I don't have to revisit that because it 395 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: is it's just so a part of who I am. Like, 396 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: my competitive journey as a player is so over. I'm 397 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:19,679 Speaker 1: I now exercise for fun and for health, but not 398 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 1: at all for competitive nature. So um, yeah, that's my 399 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: what I feel really wired into. What is the experience 400 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: that each of my players are having because I'm in 401 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: their life. Um, and that's exhausting because people are exhausting 402 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: and people let you down um at times, and you 403 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: have to kind of have to manage that, right, manage 404 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: disappointment and all that regularly. But that makes me better 405 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 1: as well. I asked Coach Fox. You know, first time 406 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 1: I interviewed coach Mike Mike Fox, right, he retired and 407 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: you know, for those who don't know, but I mentioned 408 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: him a lot. So you know, former head baseball coach Anversity, 409 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: North Carolina. At the time of his retirement, he was 410 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 1: the winningest active coach. And say, you know men's college 411 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 1: baseball history. And at one point I said to him, coach, yeah, 412 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: because one of his assistants. Charlie long Um told me, 413 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 1: you know, and discussion when Coach Fox about to break 414 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 1: that record. He told me, Coach long did that Coach 415 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: Fox really had no idea that he even had that 416 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:08,479 Speaker 1: many wins at the time, you know, whether he did 417 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: or did it, that's what he said, right, And I 418 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 1: believe him. And I asked him, I said, coach, like, 419 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: is that not a main driver? Is that that's something 420 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 1: especially at your level? I mean, coaches get fired all 421 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,439 Speaker 1: the time in performance it's a performance based business. But 422 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 1: he said, it's really nice that it's a part of it. 423 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 1: But you can't focus on it, you know, so otherwise 424 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: you miss all the other important things. So I guess 425 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 1: when I want to ask you what, coaches, how important 426 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,919 Speaker 1: are the w's right? Because success matters? But how do 427 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: you navigate that so that your why is those relationships? 428 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 1: Is it like take care of the top line and 429 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 1: the bottom line will follow me in the WS? Like? 430 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: How do you juggle that? Yeah? Well, I think when 431 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: you think about coaching, no one operates as well when 432 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,959 Speaker 1: they're in fear. Nobody in any in any steer of life, right, 433 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: So for me, it's like you can't be afraid of 434 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: losing or afraid of getting fired. Right, As I always say, 435 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: when you sign a contract, the termination is on there, 436 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: just the day wasn't included, right, And that allows you 437 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 1: to coach with freedom, like I'm not gonna worry about 438 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: whether or not I ultimately in the right fit at 439 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: Carolina over the next thirty years. It doesn't It doesn't 440 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: even bother me. It's like, if it's not the right fit, 441 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 1: we'll both feel it right and so um first, you 442 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: just take that off the table like it don't worry 443 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: about it. Sort of like when I took this job, 444 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: some of my peers were saying, gosh, you have job 445 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: securities for life, and you're probably going to the Basketball 446 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: of Fame if you stay at Princeton, And I said, well, 447 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: that might be the right decision for you. For me, 448 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 1: it's the opportunity that i'm seeking, right, And I'm not 449 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: worried about failure. I'm worried about missing opportunity, right. And 450 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 1: I hope that's how my players would say. That's how 451 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: I coached down because we're not gonna worry about to 452 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: win a national championship here. We're gonna try to do 453 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 1: it right and and those are you know, we're not. 454 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 1: Our value is that judged upon. We lost seven games 455 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 1: in a row last year in January, and I had 456 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 1: a very good friend who said to one of my 457 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,120 Speaker 1: other someone on my staff, what's Courtney like? And he said, 458 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 1: She's the same every day. It's like, it's just because 459 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: for me, that's where we were at a program. We 460 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: were we weren't good enough to string together winds. Yet, Um, 461 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: it doesn't mean I'm not a good mom, or a 462 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: good parson or a good coach, right um. And so 463 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: this past year we had a successful We were a 464 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: really good team. We should have success, right Um. So yeah, 465 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,199 Speaker 1: I just I take kind of the the fear that 466 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 1: everybody has or understands about coaching is the number of 467 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,439 Speaker 1: transitions you are forced to make with recognizing that the 468 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 1: people I get the coach every day, I get to 469 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 1: choose them and I get to lead them when you're 470 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: coaching at this level, and so I'm thoughtful about the 471 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 1: decisions of who I choose, and then I'm very intentional 472 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 1: with how I lead, and honestly the rest will take 473 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: care of. I always like to try to end with this. 474 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: You know, we have a lot of parents, a lot 475 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: of kids. You know, people will listen to this is 476 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: how my god, I want to play for coach Banger, 477 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I want my child to play for 478 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: Coach Banger. What do these kids got to do? And 479 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: not everyone can play for Coach bang Ar? Not everyone 480 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: can play in the A C C. Right, And I 481 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 1: haven't played D one. What can these kids do to 482 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: get on radars? You know? How can they put themselves 483 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: into position? You know, they're they're they're on the AU circuit. 484 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: They're trying to get looks. So what's the best way 485 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,239 Speaker 1: to get the eyes and attention of Courtney bang Art 486 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: and your staff or anyone in the country. You know, 487 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 1: I think it's just you know, you can't always like 488 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 1: I didn't take the There are so many jobs I 489 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 1: didn't take when I got off for jobs because ultimately 490 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 1: I was hoping it might help me get the Carolina job. 491 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: I was like, if I can't get the Carolina job 492 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: from Princeton, it's not then I'm not leaving, right, just 493 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 1: because you just never know what the steps might of 494 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 1: your life might take. Um. And so I would say 495 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 1: that I would carry that over to the to the 496 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: message of what these young people are doing now there's 497 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: a separator, right, what is that separator? Right? So when 498 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 1: I'm recruiting two thousand twenty five, right now, I've called 499 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 1: coaches about the kids who I think these all kids 500 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 1: have a chance right now, it's going to be an 501 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 1: important year separation for them. Right. And then I always 502 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:31,239 Speaker 1: say to the student athletes, like, what are you going 503 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: to do to separate yourself? It's the same thing we 504 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: do as coaches. What's gonna separate me from the other 505 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,919 Speaker 1: coaches in our league? Right? And so people have to 506 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,880 Speaker 1: find what's gonna separate them from your peers, which typically 507 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: tho percent is the work you put in when no 508 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 1: one's watching. And then once you take care of that 509 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: controllable where you belong, we'll find you. It really will. Um. 510 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: And if that's Carolina, lucky, lucky to you. If it's 511 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,360 Speaker 1: not lucky that school and lucky you. Um. And so yeah, 512 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: I just think we in life, whether you're fifteen or 513 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: twenty five or forty five, like, what is it? What 514 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: is the separator that that that you can do give 515 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 1: yourself the best fance for success? Find it, do it, 516 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: live it. That kind of thing. Courtney bang Hard, you 517 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,679 Speaker 1: got me fired up. I absolutely love your energy. I 518 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: love your passion, love your enthusiasm, love following your program 519 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: and what y'all are doing. Can't thank you enough for 520 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: coming on and sharing them, truly honoring in a pleasure 521 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 1: to to spend this time with your coach. Well, I 522 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,439 Speaker 1: appreciate it, and I have to say the separator for 523 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 1: you is your persistence. And honestly, I argue you the 524 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 1: hats off that I can tell why you've had such success. 525 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: It's like you just don't take no, just just keep rolling. 526 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: And I'm glad I was able to find the time 527 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: and I'm glad we're able to do that. So thanks well, 528 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I'd like to tell you this's the 529 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 1: first time I've heard that, but it's it's not so 530 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: thank you. It means a lot and I appreciate you 531 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: very very much. Coach. Thank you. 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