WEBVTT - Season 06 Episode 29: Mobius Stripped

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<v Speaker 1>One Saturday morning in nineteen fifty four in Virginia in

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<v Speaker 1>the USA, a twelve year old boy wearing oversized surgical

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<v Speaker 1>scrubs was sat in the corner of an operating theater,

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<v Speaker 1>riveted by the scene unfolding before him. In those days,

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<v Speaker 1>as a way to encourage the young into the profession,

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<v Speaker 1>physicians were allowed to bring their children into hospital to

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<v Speaker 1>watch them work. The boy's father, doctor Abe Schwartz, was

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<v Speaker 1>an anesthesiologist and that morning, had been tasked with helping

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<v Speaker 1>to put a teenage girl to sleep for a routine operation.

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<v Speaker 1>His son, Stephan, was given the simple instructions to sit

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<v Speaker 1>behind him, stay quiet, and not touch anything. It might

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<v Speaker 1>seem a strange thing for a twelve year old boy

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<v Speaker 1>to do on a Saturday morning, but Stephen was an

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<v Speaker 1>unusual boy with an irreligious and analytical mind fostered by

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<v Speaker 1>his atheistic parents. All seemed to be going well when

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, the medical staff became gravely concerned

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<v Speaker 1>and began to hurry around the girl. Her heart had stopped.

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<v Speaker 1>Stephan stared widely as they quickly pulled off the girl's

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<v Speaker 1>gown and began steadily administering c p R. Despite what

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<v Speaker 1>we might see on film and TV, cardio pulmonary resuscitation

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<v Speaker 1>is very rarely successful. Thankfully, however, this patient was one

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<v Speaker 1>of the lucky ones. Having come round, there was no

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<v Speaker 1>chance of completing the operation, and so Stephan's father accompanied

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<v Speaker 1>her as he was wheeled off to an adjoining room

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<v Speaker 1>to recover, while Stephen was instructed to go and change. Later,

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<v Speaker 1>having disrobed and showered, Stephen was waiting for his father

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<v Speaker 1>in the staff room when Abe came out of the

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<v Speaker 1>shower with a strange look on his face. Soon after,

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<v Speaker 1>as Stephen and his father drove into town for their

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<v Speaker 1>regular post operation ritual, a get together with Abe's colleagues

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<v Speaker 1>at the local delicatessen, it was clear that something was

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<v Speaker 1>troubling his father. It was only when they were seated

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<v Speaker 1>at the delicatessen that Abe finally began to unburden himself.

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<v Speaker 1>As Abe explained to his colleagues, shortly after the girl

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<v Speaker 1>had come round, she began to speak to him about

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<v Speaker 1>an unusual experience she just had. She claimed that while

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<v Speaker 1>she was under sedation, she suddenly found herself floating above

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<v Speaker 1>her body, which she could clearly see stretched out on

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<v Speaker 1>the operating table below her. But when she tried to

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<v Speaker 1>call out to the medical staff, nobody seemed to see

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<v Speaker 1>or hear her. I'm sure what to do. She made

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<v Speaker 1>herself drift out into the hallway, where she then claimed

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<v Speaker 1>to have seen a doctor in a blue and white

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<v Speaker 1>shirt with a loosened tie around his neck talking to

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<v Speaker 1>a nurse. The young girl went on to describe the

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<v Speaker 1>nurse in great detail, including a very specific hairstyle that

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<v Speaker 1>she wore, which the teenager had greatly admired. Then all

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, the girl was back in her own body,

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<v Speaker 1>staring at the ceiling and gasping for air as a

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<v Speaker 1>team of doctors stared down at her from above. Abe,

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<v Speaker 1>not want to believe even such things as near death experiences,

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<v Speaker 1>paused for a moment, a little unsure of what he

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<v Speaker 1>was about to say next, while the other doctors listened

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<v Speaker 1>with abated breath. Then Abe continued, Having dismissed the whole

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<v Speaker 1>thing as some kind of fever dream, He politely said

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<v Speaker 1>goodbye to the girl, then stepped into the hallway and

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<v Speaker 1>stopped suddenly in his tracks. There standing before him was

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<v Speaker 1>a junior male doctor in a blue and white striped

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<v Speaker 1>shirt with a somewhat disheveled looking tie around his neck,

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<v Speaker 1>while only meters away from him was a female nurse

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<v Speaker 1>with a rather elaborate hairstyle, exact in every detail as

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<v Speaker 1>the teenage patient had described it incredibly. After hearing the story,

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<v Speaker 1>the other doctors present, many of whom, like Abe were

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<v Speaker 1>World War Two veterans, began to relate similar stories. Each

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<v Speaker 1>had had a patient who'd clinically died or been on

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<v Speaker 1>the point of death, only to be revived time and

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<v Speaker 1>time again. Some of the revived patients related how they

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<v Speaker 1>believed they were able to see around them shortly after

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<v Speaker 1>they'd lost bodily consciousness, with each of them saying it

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<v Speaker 1>had felt as though they were very much still present

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<v Speaker 1>and aware, as though they had been fully conscious. The

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<v Speaker 1>twelve year old Stephen could only sit silently, soaking it

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<v Speaker 1>all in. How could some one be dead, he thought,

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<v Speaker 1>yet still be conscious. It didn't make any sense you're

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<v Speaker 1>listening to unexplained and Richard McClean smith. The surrounding desert

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<v Speaker 1>was mostly featureless and scorching in the full heat of

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<v Speaker 1>mid afternoon. As an Egyptian archeologist and his assistant watched

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<v Speaker 1>on from the shade of some nearby trees. Two men

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<v Speaker 1>were wandering seemingly aimlessly back and forth across the dusty terrain,

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<v Speaker 1>as a camera crew followed close behind. On the ground,

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<v Speaker 1>and all around them, the weathered walls of an ancient

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<v Speaker 1>settlement could be seen jutting up through the sand, the

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<v Speaker 1>ruins of the ancient Egyptian port city of Maria. The

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<v Speaker 1>city was located around forty kilometers southwest of modern day

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<v Speaker 1>Alexandria on Egypt's north coast, and it's thought to have

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<v Speaker 1>last been populated sometime in the thirteenth to fourteenth centuries.

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<v Speaker 1>The two men were George McMullen, a middle aged Canadian who,

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<v Speaker 1>with his wavy, graying hair, ordinarily spent his week days

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<v Speaker 1>working at a Chrysler dealership in Canada, and the other

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<v Speaker 1>was Stephen Schwartz. Schwartz, who was by then thirty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>had changed little from the twelve year old boy who

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<v Speaker 1>liked nothing more than to accompany his anestatist father to

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<v Speaker 1>work on Saturday mornings. He was still as bright and

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<v Speaker 1>inquisitive as ever, but what he'd been privy to on

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<v Speaker 1>that strange Saturday morning two decades before had never left him.

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<v Speaker 1>It had also made him determined to one day unlock

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<v Speaker 1>the mysteries of human consciousness. In the intervening years, Schwartz

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<v Speaker 1>had graduated high school, served a tour in the US Army,

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<v Speaker 1>and graduated from the University of Virginia. Then in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy one, he began working for the American government as

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<v Speaker 1>a special assistant for Research and Analysis for the Chief

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<v Speaker 1>of US Naval Operations, as well as being a consultant

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<v Speaker 1>to the oceanographer for the Secretary of Defense. All the while,

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<v Speaker 1>his preoccupation with the nature of human consciousness had been growing.

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<v Speaker 1>Throughout his college years and subsequent government jobs, Schwartz spent

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<v Speaker 1>his spare time devouring parapsychology journals looking for answers, and

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<v Speaker 1>became particularly fascinated with the work of apparent psychic Edgar

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<v Speaker 1>Case back in nineteen thirty five. Case is believed to

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<v Speaker 1>have predicted the coming of World War Two about the

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<v Speaker 1>same time. He is also said to have described what

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<v Speaker 1>were then unknown details about an ancient sect of people

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<v Speaker 1>that were later identified as the authors of the Dead

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<v Speaker 1>Sea Scrolls. Eleven years before the scrolls were discovered. Cases

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<v Speaker 1>work inspired Schwartz to begin his own experiments to test

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<v Speaker 1>what he had come to call distant or remote viewing,

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<v Speaker 1>an ability he believed allowed some people to detect hidden

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<v Speaker 1>or buried objects which they had no prior knowledge of.

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<v Speaker 1>For Schwartz's first experiment, he laid out a grid in

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<v Speaker 1>his backyard with rope, and in each grid square he

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<v Speaker 1>would bury mason jars containing various objects, such as a

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<v Speaker 1>perfume bottle, a vegetable peeler, or a bathroom sponge, to

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<v Speaker 1>name a few. Then he would send out a plan

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<v Speaker 1>of the grid to people in different parts of the

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<v Speaker 1>world and asked that they tell him where on the

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<v Speaker 1>grid they sensed there was an object and what it was.

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<v Speaker 1>The study was initially double blind, neither the remote viewer

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<v Speaker 1>nor the person analyzing the data at any prior information,

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<v Speaker 1>to avoid any possibility of his knowledge of what was

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<v Speaker 1>buried influencing what viewers saw. Schwartz later made the study

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<v Speaker 1>triple blind, getting someone else entirely to choose the object

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<v Speaker 1>and where to bury it on the grid. Either way,

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<v Speaker 1>he found the results were the same over a period

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<v Speaker 1>of several years. Schwartz claimed that about twelve percent of

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<v Speaker 1>the people who tried this were reliably able to locate

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<v Speaker 1>and describe the hidden objects, perhaps Even more incredibly, Schwartz

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<v Speaker 1>also claimed that the evidence from his experiments suggested that

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<v Speaker 1>people could describe something that had been hidden for two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand years just as easily as a teacup hidden that

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<v Speaker 1>afternoon in the next room. Schwartz would go on to

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<v Speaker 1>found the Mobious Society, a Los Angeles based private institution

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<v Speaker 1>committed to research in the field of human consciousness. As

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<v Speaker 1>part of his remote viewing investigations, Schwartz also conducted an

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<v Speaker 1>experiment known as Project Deep Quest, explored briefly in Unexplained

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<v Speaker 1>Season six, episode sixteen, in which remote viewers were tasked

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<v Speaker 1>with trying to make predictions while more than three hundred

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<v Speaker 1>feet under water. This, according to Schwartz, also proved to

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<v Speaker 1>be possible. But Schwartz wasn't satisfied. He wanted even more

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<v Speaker 1>rigorous tests of remote viewing, and eventually settled on the

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<v Speaker 1>field of archaeology as the perfect discipline with which to

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<v Speaker 1>put it all to the test, an area of study

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<v Speaker 1>frequently beset by the problem of not knowing where to

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<v Speaker 1>look for ancient things, but Schwartz new people who seemed

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to do just that, and Canadian car

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<v Speaker 1>parts sales manager George McMullen was just one such person,

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<v Speaker 1>and now here in the Egyptian desert. The pressure was on.

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<v Speaker 1>In what was by far their most ambitious archeological mission

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<v Speaker 1>up to that point. In nineteen seventy nine, Schwartz and

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<v Speaker 1>his Mobia's team set out to find the long lost

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<v Speaker 1>remains of key buildings from the ancient city of Alexandria,

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<v Speaker 1>laid out by its namesake Alexander the Great in three

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and thirty one BC. Alexandria was one of the

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<v Speaker 1>first planned cities in history. A confluence of Greek culture

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<v Speaker 1>and the Ferronic East, it represented the pinnacle of sophisticated

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<v Speaker 1>culture at that time. But how successive versions of the

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<v Speaker 1>city were built up century upon century, the location of

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<v Speaker 1>many of the original buildings had become obscured. Incredibly, through

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<v Speaker 1>the Schwartz led experiments, a team of eleven apparent psychic

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<v Speaker 1>seers had supposedly pinpointed the location of legendary sites, including

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<v Speaker 1>the palaces of both Cleopatra and mark Antony, and the

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<v Speaker 1>Ferrest Lighthouse, otherwise known as the Fabled Lighthouse of Alexandria,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the Seven Ancient Wonders of the World. But

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<v Speaker 1>there was a hitch. Stephen Schwartz and his team needed

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<v Speaker 1>formal permissions to conduct the searches that would confirm their findings,

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<v Speaker 1>which included several sites now under water in the modern

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<v Speaker 1>day harbor of Alexandria. The Egyptian authorities and archeological community

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<v Speaker 1>were understandably dubious and demanded proof that Schwartz's unorthodox methods

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<v Speaker 1>worked before any permissions could be granted, and so they

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<v Speaker 1>set out to convince them. Fine arts photographer Hella Hammet

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<v Speaker 1>had no prior knowledge of Alexandria, the region around it,

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<v Speaker 1>or its history, but, like George McMullan, she was said

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<v Speaker 1>to her repeatedly performed outstandingly well on Schwartz's remote viewing tests. Hammit,

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<v Speaker 1>who believed her apparent skills were the result of simply

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<v Speaker 1>being attuned to that other world that exists, as she

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<v Speaker 1>put it, described her process as looking at a map

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<v Speaker 1>not so much with her eyes, but just to get

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<v Speaker 1>a feeling of it. She would then sense what she

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<v Speaker 1>described as a heaviness in certain areas, which suggested to

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<v Speaker 1>her that she was on to something, seemingly putting her

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<v Speaker 1>photographer's eye to good use. Hammit was also very precise

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<v Speaker 1>when outlining the details of buried structures in target locations.

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<v Speaker 1>Not long after the Mobius team arrived in Alexandria, Hammit,

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<v Speaker 1>as one of its supposedly better psychic performers, was selected

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<v Speaker 1>by Schwartz as the best person to help provide evidence

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<v Speaker 1>to the Egyptian authorities that they should be taken seriously.

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<v Speaker 1>A few days of intensive work later, Hammid was certain

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<v Speaker 1>she'd identified a lost ancient site of profound significance at

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<v Speaker 1>the behest of Hella. Hammid, Schwartz, and the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the team squashed into a Pergo sedan and headed off

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<v Speaker 1>to trawl the city's backstreets in search of what Hammid

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<v Speaker 1>had spent the last few days repeatedly sketching, described as

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<v Speaker 1>a narrowing street or alleyway with high walls on either side.

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<v Speaker 1>For the most part, the team traveled at speeds of

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<v Speaker 1>five to fifteen miles an hour on streets with no

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<v Speaker 1>lanes and no signals, and interweaving animal carts, while the

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<v Speaker 1>constant blowing of car horns, music blaring from radios, and

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<v Speaker 1>overlapping calls to prayer broadcast from the city's many minarets

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<v Speaker 1>were a never ending distraction. After hours of searching. With

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<v Speaker 1>nothing substantial to show for their efforts, the hot and

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<v Speaker 1>frazzled team were on the point of giving up when

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<v Speaker 1>late in the afternoon Hammid yelled for them to stop.

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<v Speaker 1>Relieved for any excuse to be exiting the stuffy car,

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<v Speaker 1>the team swiftly piled out. Although barely visible from the

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<v Speaker 1>street through a rusting wrawtie fence. Some fifteen feet below

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<v Speaker 1>was a narrow alleyway just as Hammid had sketched, that

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<v Speaker 1>appeared to be an abandoned archeological site. It backed onto

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<v Speaker 1>the El Nabbey Daniel Mosque, just to the south of

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<v Speaker 1>the city's downtown district. Standing opposite, Hamid appeared suddenly to

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<v Speaker 1>be lost in thought, as though she was somehow being

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<v Speaker 1>drawn back into the second century BC. She reached for

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<v Speaker 1>a pen and began what was now her ninth supposedly

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<v Speaker 1>remotely viewed drawing of the site. Her sketch showed the

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<v Speaker 1>semi buried site as if seen from above, which included

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<v Speaker 1>a cupola with three levels, each with arches for bodies

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<v Speaker 1>to be placed in. Hammit said it was a large

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<v Speaker 1>dungeon or tomb, around twenty to thirty feet below street level.

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<v Speaker 1>The feeling in that moment, she said later, was like

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<v Speaker 1>sliding through time and seeing a speeded up view of

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<v Speaker 1>the entire tomb's history. The next day, Schwartz was back

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<v Speaker 1>in the same general area with George McMullen, who was

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<v Speaker 1>apparently told nothing of the previous day's events. Like Hammid,

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<v Speaker 1>McMullen also became consumed in thought the moment he arrived

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<v Speaker 1>at the site, McMullan pointed to an area of broken

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<v Speaker 1>marble and rubble, telling Schwartz that it was Greek workmanship.

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<v Speaker 1>When Schwartz asked him what he thought it had been originally,

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<v Speaker 1>McMullan replied that it was a tomb, but one without

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<v Speaker 1>a body. The next thing he said was electrifying. I've

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<v Speaker 1>never been more sure of anything in my life, said McMullen,

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<v Speaker 1>This is Alexander's tomb. The precise location of Alexander the

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<v Speaker 1>Great's tomb has never been ascertained, and is considered by

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<v Speaker 1>many to be among the most sought after prizes in archeology.

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<v Speaker 1>Had George McMullan just identified it as it transpired, this

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't the first time that the area in question had

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<v Speaker 1>been pronounced as the location of Alexander the Great's tomb.

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<v Speaker 1>Since the mid eighteen hundreds, several scholars had placed it

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<v Speaker 1>in roughly the same area. One even claimed to have

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<v Speaker 1>discovered not only the tomb but also Alexander's supposed mummy

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<v Speaker 1>inside the Al Nabby Daniel Mosque, but permission to excavate

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<v Speaker 1>was never granted, and so it proved the same for

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<v Speaker 1>the Mobius team. Even an exploratory excavation inside the mosque,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the oldest in Alexandria, would cause an unacceptable

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<v Speaker 1>level of disturbance to public access. Not only that there

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<v Speaker 1>was understandably extreme resistance to foreigners touching even a tablespoon

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<v Speaker 1>of earth on the same acred site. Professor Fauzi Fakarani,

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<v Speaker 1>an Egyptian archeologist in the Department of Classical Civilizations at

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<v Speaker 1>the University of Alexandria, who the Mobius team had been

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<v Speaker 1>consulting with, told them investigations were not going to be

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<v Speaker 1>possible at the site. But while Facarani doubted the existence

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<v Speaker 1>of psychic windows into the ancient past, he was enthusiastic

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<v Speaker 1>about the Mobius team's goals and keen to dive with

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<v Speaker 1>them in the city's eastern harbor in growing desperation, Schwartz

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<v Speaker 1>suggested that Fakarani give him another chance to demonstrate his

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<v Speaker 1>team's psychic techniques really did work at an unpopulated site

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<v Speaker 1>where excavations would be possible. Thankfully, Facarani agreed, but only

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<v Speaker 1>subject to certain conditions. The professor would be the one

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<v Speaker 1>to specify the type of target, which had to be

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<v Speaker 1>located near the surface to make excavation easy. He would

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<v Speaker 1>also choose the site, and settled eventually on Maria, the

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<v Speaker 1>abandoned ancient sister city to Alexandria. Maria had once been

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<v Speaker 1>a freshwater port on the shores of a beautiful lake,

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<v Speaker 1>but the river Nile had shifted its course in the

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<v Speaker 1>Middle Ages. The lake dried up and the city died,

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<v Speaker 1>leaving formerly teeming commercial districts and pleasure palaces across an

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<v Speaker 1>area fifteen miles squared abandoned to wind and sand. Not

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<v Speaker 1>only had none of the Mobius team ever been there,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were given only the crudest of maps and

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<v Speaker 1>no other information to go on. Fakarani wanted them to

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<v Speaker 1>find a nice, important building with some significant remains, mosaics, frescoes,

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<v Speaker 1>or statues to tell him the depth to walls and

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<v Speaker 1>the floor, and describe artifacts that would be found at

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<v Speaker 1>the sight and the culture which produced the building. What

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<v Speaker 1>Fakarani may have omitted to mention was that Egyptian archeologists

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<v Speaker 1>had carried out electronic surveys in the years previously, along

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<v Speaker 1>with a few trial excavations, and they'd found nothing of

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<v Speaker 1>major significance. George McMullan seemed oblivious to the hot wind

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<v Speaker 1>that tugged at his sweat stained shirt as he limped

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<v Speaker 1>across Maria's unimposing and mostly buried ruins. Stephen Schwartz had

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<v Speaker 1>noticed something about mc mullan from previous remote viewing sight work.

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<v Speaker 1>He'd seen that when the apparent psychic was on to something,

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<v Speaker 1>that slight limp disappeared. Three hours after they'd begun, As

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<v Speaker 1>the two men climbed yet another low desert hill, Schwartz

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<v Speaker 1>realized with a start that his companion's limp had gone.

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<v Speaker 1>Neither the hundred degree temperature or the persistent black flies

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to be bothering mc mullan any more, as he

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly stopped, turned and said, let's get that professor. With that.

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<v Speaker 1>The apparent psychic sunk to his knees and began to

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<v Speaker 1>sketch a crude map with his finger in the sand,

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<v Speaker 1>which included the outline of a small hump of land

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<v Speaker 1>near by. Walking over that same hump moments later, he

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<v Speaker 1>declared that within it was the buried wall of a

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<v Speaker 1>structure of some import, as well as buried fire pits

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<v Speaker 1>and more cryptically, a flaw that he said was there

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<v Speaker 1>but also wasn't there. Dressed in jeans and a cotton

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<v Speaker 1>shirt with her short, dark hair crammed under a sun hat,

0:25:18.640 --> 0:25:23.120
<v Speaker 1>Ella Hammered was tired and crabby. She was feeling unwell

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<v Speaker 1>after a day of sitting around and waiting in the

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<v Speaker 1>hot and dry conditions. After finally being called into action,

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<v Speaker 1>she was unaware of what McMullan claimed to have found.

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<v Speaker 1>A schwartz took her to the location that McMullan had

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<v Speaker 1>just identified in the apparent grip of intense concentration. Hammid

0:25:46.720 --> 0:25:50.960
<v Speaker 1>honed in immediately on the same exact spot that McMullan

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<v Speaker 1>had found. Hammid then started to breathe heavily and slowly

0:25:57.160 --> 0:26:02.800
<v Speaker 1>began to describe what lay beneath them. The building was

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<v Speaker 1>from the Byzantine era, she said, pinpointing the location of

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<v Speaker 1>its northwest corner wall, as well as some kind of

0:26:12.080 --> 0:26:17.840
<v Speaker 1>freestanding circular pillar or statue which had long since been broken.

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<v Speaker 1>Convinced that only Roman era structures were present at the site,

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<v Speaker 1>Professor Fakarani nonetheless put his excavation team to work the

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<v Speaker 1>very next day, Estimating that the dig would take six weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>He predicted it would end in failure. Six days into

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<v Speaker 1>the dig, however, the excavation team uncovered the top corner

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<v Speaker 1>of a wall at the exact same depth that Hammitt

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<v Speaker 1>had predicted. Two days later, the strange broken column structure,

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<v Speaker 1>which she'd also supposedly seen, was found. Detailed inspection showed

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<v Speaker 1>it to be a chimney like oven built by Bedouins

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<v Speaker 1>after the settlement had been largely abandoned, of a type

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<v Speaker 1>never seen in the area before. Then the fire pits

0:27:16.040 --> 0:27:21.560
<v Speaker 1>mc mullen had predicted were found. Some symbols were also

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<v Speaker 1>uncovered on some of the walls, revealing that the building

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<v Speaker 1>was unequivocally by Zantyne, not Roman after all. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a few days later when the building's chalk sub floor

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<v Speaker 1>was revealed, apparently all that was left after the original

0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:51.800
<v Speaker 1>floor had been removed when the building was abandoned centuries earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>Here the excavation crew found some small, heavy marble objects,

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<v Speaker 1>smooth on one side and rough on the other, which

0:28:02.680 --> 0:28:06.280
<v Speaker 1>appeared to be anchoring elements of a mosaic floor that

0:28:06.400 --> 0:28:10.679
<v Speaker 1>had once been there, evidence, it seemed, for the floor

0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:15.280
<v Speaker 1>that George McMullan described as being there but not there.

0:28:17.080 --> 0:28:21.879
<v Speaker 1>With this demonstrable and resounding success, a delighted Stephen and

0:28:22.000 --> 0:28:25.639
<v Speaker 1>his Mobius team were then given permission to explore the

0:28:25.720 --> 0:28:31.119
<v Speaker 1>seabed under Alexandria's Eastern Harbor, the location where the so

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<v Speaker 1>called remote viewers had almost unanimously indicated significant sites from

0:28:37.040 --> 0:28:42.000
<v Speaker 1>the ancient city would be found. The team first attempted

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<v Speaker 1>to use a kind of sonar, but the murky, sediment

0:28:46.280 --> 0:28:50.760
<v Speaker 1>laden waters made it difficult to get clear readings, so

0:28:50.960 --> 0:28:54.920
<v Speaker 1>divers were brought in to do close searches in the

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<v Speaker 1>churning and turbid harbor waters. Working with direction given every

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<v Speaker 1>day by the remote viewers, they began in an area

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<v Speaker 1>where it was predicted that Timonium would be found the

0:29:08.960 --> 0:29:13.960
<v Speaker 1>Grand Palace of mark Antony. There, through the dark waters,

0:29:14.360 --> 0:29:18.360
<v Speaker 1>the divers found a line of fallen pillars along what

0:29:18.440 --> 0:29:21.840
<v Speaker 1>appeared to have been the facade of an imposing building,

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<v Speaker 1>and in an adjacent area where Cleopatra's palace complex had

0:29:27.920 --> 0:29:33.160
<v Speaker 1>supposedly been located, the team found indications of the uppermost

0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:39.640
<v Speaker 1>remains of a large and impressive structure. Unfortunately, however, most

0:29:39.640 --> 0:29:44.840
<v Speaker 1>of the structure lay buried beneath the seabed, preventing further investigation.

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<v Speaker 1>Then came a more conclusive discovery at a third site

0:29:51.400 --> 0:29:55.440
<v Speaker 1>ear marked by the remote viewers. The team's divers discovered

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<v Speaker 1>a series of massive granite blocks. The blocks had obviously

0:30:00.160 --> 0:30:04.040
<v Speaker 1>been cut with great precision and are now believed to

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<v Speaker 1>be ones from which the towering Lighthouse of Alexandria, the

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<v Speaker 1>tallest building known in antiquity, was constructed Euphoric with success,

0:30:22.040 --> 0:30:26.400
<v Speaker 1>Schwartz and the Mobius team said goodbye to Professor Fakhrani,

0:30:26.880 --> 0:30:31.000
<v Speaker 1>along with George McMullen and HeLa Hammad, who both headed home.

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<v Speaker 1>But before they left Egypt, the team had one more

0:30:35.560 --> 0:30:39.080
<v Speaker 1>job to do. They'd been hired by a film company

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<v Speaker 1>to shoot a documentary unrelated to the other Mobius project work.

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<v Speaker 1>The location for the film was the Coptic Monastery of

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<v Speaker 1>Saint Macarius, one of the oldest Christian communities in Egypt,

0:30:53.520 --> 0:30:59.600
<v Speaker 1>found midway between Alexandria and Cairo. As the team drove

0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:03.560
<v Speaker 1>to the monastery, Schwartz gazed out at the desert and

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<v Speaker 1>at the clouds of roadside dust that kicked up from

0:31:07.080 --> 0:31:12.480
<v Speaker 1>behind them, lulled into a meditative reverie, A memory sprang

0:31:12.520 --> 0:31:16.080
<v Speaker 1>into Schwartz's mind from the days before they came across

0:31:16.200 --> 0:31:21.640
<v Speaker 1>the possible tomb site of Alexander the Great. Shortly after

0:31:21.680 --> 0:31:25.880
<v Speaker 1>the team first arrived in Egypt, Stephen and George McMullan

0:31:26.160 --> 0:31:30.680
<v Speaker 1>were traveling from Cairo to Alexandria. When McMullen began to

0:31:30.720 --> 0:31:35.160
<v Speaker 1>speak at length about Alexander the Great. As he described

0:31:35.240 --> 0:31:39.360
<v Speaker 1>his perception of the man, it seemed to Stephen as

0:31:39.360 --> 0:31:44.320
<v Speaker 1>though his words were coming from a direct memory. McMullan

0:31:44.400 --> 0:31:48.960
<v Speaker 1>declared that Alexander was a funny person who, despite being

0:31:49.000 --> 0:31:52.280
<v Speaker 1>a great statesman and leader, could join in with the

0:31:52.480 --> 0:31:57.360
<v Speaker 1>ordinary soldier and get drunk, act silly. He had no

0:31:57.480 --> 0:32:03.120
<v Speaker 1>fear of dying or anything else. He Schwartz wondered how

0:32:03.160 --> 0:32:07.840
<v Speaker 1>this man could have such insights. Although at odds with

0:32:07.960 --> 0:32:13.520
<v Speaker 1>how most academics viewed Alexander, the description almost exactly mirrored

0:32:13.560 --> 0:32:18.040
<v Speaker 1>the views of the British historian Professor Peter Fraser, whom

0:32:18.080 --> 0:32:23.160
<v Speaker 1>Schwartz happened to be in agreement with. Had McMullen simply

0:32:23.200 --> 0:32:27.920
<v Speaker 1>read about Fraser's theories before Schwartz wandered, or was he

0:32:28.040 --> 0:32:33.200
<v Speaker 1>reading his mind or was he somehow simply reporting what

0:32:33.320 --> 0:32:39.800
<v Speaker 1>he perceived when he focused on Alexander. Continuing on their journey,

0:32:40.320 --> 0:32:44.000
<v Speaker 1>McMullan went on to talk about the postmortem care of

0:32:44.080 --> 0:32:47.960
<v Speaker 1>the body after Alexander had died of a fever in

0:32:48.120 --> 0:32:54.000
<v Speaker 1>Babylon in three hundred and twenty three BC. McMullan said

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<v Speaker 1>that it was Persians who'd taken care of the corpse,

0:32:57.760 --> 0:33:01.280
<v Speaker 1>although when preserving it they hadn't used the more thorough

0:33:01.320 --> 0:33:06.680
<v Speaker 1>techniques practiced by the Egyptians. As the body began to decay,

0:33:06.720 --> 0:33:12.800
<v Speaker 1>according to McMullen, die leaching from the clothing underneath Alexander's

0:33:12.840 --> 0:33:16.880
<v Speaker 1>burial armor had stained the corpse a weird sort of

0:33:17.160 --> 0:33:23.080
<v Speaker 1>reddish color. He also believed Alexander's body had been removed

0:33:23.120 --> 0:33:27.520
<v Speaker 1>from the tomb in which it had been interred in Alexandria.

0:33:27.880 --> 0:33:31.480
<v Speaker 1>When Schwartz asked him what he thought had happened to

0:33:31.520 --> 0:33:36.640
<v Speaker 1>the remains, McMullin without missing a beat, said that they'd

0:33:36.640 --> 0:33:41.280
<v Speaker 1>been taken out into the desert several centuries after Alexander's

0:33:41.280 --> 0:33:46.200
<v Speaker 1>death by people who he described as not being Islamic.

0:33:53.200 --> 0:33:57.200
<v Speaker 1>The only group which could fit George McMullen's description of

0:33:57.240 --> 0:34:00.520
<v Speaker 1>not being Islamic at the time of Alexander the Great

0:34:01.240 --> 0:34:04.960
<v Speaker 1>was one of the Christian sects that had dominated Alexandrian

0:34:05.120 --> 0:34:11.040
<v Speaker 1>life for several centuries before the Islamic takeover. When pressed

0:34:11.120 --> 0:34:16.239
<v Speaker 1>on where Alexander's bones were now, however, McMullan said he

0:34:16.280 --> 0:34:21.480
<v Speaker 1>didn't know. Intrigued as Schwartz was by mcmullan's information, at

0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:24.440
<v Speaker 1>the time, the team didn't even have a fix on

0:34:24.480 --> 0:34:29.040
<v Speaker 1>the possible tomb location, and if the tomb was indeed empty,

0:34:29.400 --> 0:34:33.680
<v Speaker 1>as McMullan had claimed, then there wasn't any possibility of

0:34:33.800 --> 0:34:39.040
<v Speaker 1>ever checking this curious fact out. But the oddity now

0:34:39.080 --> 0:34:43.200
<v Speaker 1>played on Schwartz's mind as the Mobius film crew began

0:34:43.280 --> 0:34:49.840
<v Speaker 1>shooting at the Saint Maccarius monastery. Over the next few days,

0:34:50.120 --> 0:34:55.000
<v Speaker 1>when he could, Schwartz chatted with the monks. They told

0:34:55.080 --> 0:34:59.520
<v Speaker 1>him that for over eighty generations their order had passed

0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:02.640
<v Speaker 1>down the tradition that the bones of Saint John the

0:35:02.719 --> 0:35:07.080
<v Speaker 1>Baptist had been brought there from the Holy Land, but

0:35:07.200 --> 0:35:10.640
<v Speaker 1>the root of these relics had not been a direct one.

0:35:11.440 --> 0:35:15.880
<v Speaker 1>They'd been placed for a while in Alexandria before being

0:35:15.920 --> 0:35:19.960
<v Speaker 1>transported to the monastery, where it was said they were buried,

0:35:20.680 --> 0:35:26.800
<v Speaker 1>although no one knew where exactly. Then in nineteen seventy six,

0:35:27.239 --> 0:35:30.719
<v Speaker 1>a chapel at the monastery had been restored and a

0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:36.400
<v Speaker 1>wall had accidentally been broken through, revealing a hidden crypt

0:35:36.640 --> 0:35:41.640
<v Speaker 1>on the other side. It contained the bones of numerous people.

0:35:43.160 --> 0:35:47.000
<v Speaker 1>Some of the monks had begun researching where in Alexandria

0:35:47.239 --> 0:35:52.200
<v Speaker 1>the bones might have come. From pouring over ancient texts,

0:35:52.640 --> 0:35:56.359
<v Speaker 1>they'd learned that the remains of John the Baptist were

0:35:56.400 --> 0:35:59.560
<v Speaker 1>said to have been buried for many years beneath an

0:35:59.560 --> 0:36:04.920
<v Speaker 1>ancient Christian church, the ruins of which were now buried

0:36:05.080 --> 0:36:09.120
<v Speaker 1>underneath the site of none other than the El Nabby

0:36:09.200 --> 0:36:14.160
<v Speaker 1>Daniel Mosque. The hares began to rise on the back

0:36:14.200 --> 0:36:18.279
<v Speaker 1>of Schwartz's neck. This was the mosque next to the

0:36:18.360 --> 0:36:22.920
<v Speaker 1>site where both George McMullen and Hella Hammet had placed

0:36:23.040 --> 0:36:28.720
<v Speaker 1>Alexander the Great's empty tomb, and Schwartz was remembering once

0:36:28.719 --> 0:36:34.320
<v Speaker 1>again how McMullen had insisted Alexander's remains had been taken

0:36:34.320 --> 0:36:38.520
<v Speaker 1>out into the desert by people who were not Muslims.

0:36:40.120 --> 0:36:43.520
<v Speaker 1>Schwartz was then ushered by one of the monks into

0:36:43.560 --> 0:36:49.040
<v Speaker 1>a cool, yellow stuccoed room, completely empty save for a

0:36:49.200 --> 0:36:53.719
<v Speaker 1>large carved wooden chest in the middle of it. We

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<v Speaker 1>found the bones of twelve bodies in total, said the monk,

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<v Speaker 1>as he lifted the lid of the chest to reveal

0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:04.920
<v Speaker 1>a cloth sack trimmed with gold thread, in which the

0:37:04.960 --> 0:37:10.840
<v Speaker 1>bones were now contained. Schwartz paused for a moment before

0:37:10.880 --> 0:37:16.440
<v Speaker 1>asking his next question. Was there he said, anything special

0:37:16.680 --> 0:37:21.960
<v Speaker 1>or remarkable about the bones, not really, replied the monk,

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