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Speaker 1: Stephan stared widely as they quickly pulled off the girl's

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Speaker 1: an unusual experience she just had. She claimed that while

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Speaker 1: inquisitive as ever, but what he'd been privy to on

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Speaker 1: It had also made him determined to one day unlock

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Speaker 1: the mysteries of human consciousness. In the intervening years, Schwartz

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Speaker 1: Throughout his college years and subsequent government jobs, Schwartz spent

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Speaker 1: his spare time devouring parapsychology journals looking for answers, and

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Speaker 1: Case back in nineteen thirty five. Case is believed to

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Speaker 1: For Schwartz's first experiment, he laid out a grid in

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Speaker 1: be possible. But Schwartz wasn't satisfied. He wanted even more

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Speaker 1: frequently beset by the problem of not knowing where to

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Speaker 1: In what was by far their most ambitious archeological mission

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Speaker 1: Not long after the Mobius team arrived in Alexandria, Hammit,

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Speaker 1: A few days of intensive work later, Hammid was certain

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Speaker 1: site where both George McMullen and Hella Hammet had placed

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Speaker 1: a cool, yellow stuccoed room, completely empty save for a

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Speaker 1: found the bones of twelve bodies in total, said the monk,

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Speaker 1: bones were now contained. Schwartz paused for a moment before

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Speaker 1: asking his next question. Was there he said, anything special

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Speaker 1: or remarkable about the bones, not really, replied the monk,

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