Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me.
Speaker 2: All about that high school drama, Girl Drama girl, all
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Speaker 3: Hey Friends, Episode seven oh two, Season seven, Episode two,
Speaker 3: What are You Willing to Lose? Air date September twenty first,
Speaker 3: two thousand and nine. You have me and Sophia and Rob.
Speaker 4: Hello darlings, Hello friends, Hey friends, you have a redheaded Sophia.
Speaker 5: I am hello, Thank you. It's been so fun. I
Speaker 5: wanted to do it in advance of this movie I'm
Speaker 5: about to start and make sure I liked it, you know,
Speaker 5: I didn't want to do it like the week before
Speaker 5: and be stuck.
Speaker 4: And it's really fun. Yeah, it suits you, It's great.
Speaker 5: That's what I'm realizing is weird. I'm like, oh, was
Speaker 5: I always supposed to do this?
Speaker 4: Because so many.
Speaker 5: People have been like wow, And then I've been running
Speaker 5: into people that it takes fifteen minutes to be like,
Speaker 5: why do you look different. Your skin looks nice, and
Speaker 5: I'm like, maybe because my hair is bright red. I
Speaker 5: don't know, but people aren't even noticing, and I'm realizing
Speaker 5: it just looks I don't exactly.
Speaker 4: The right red is hard to get right. Yeah, you
Speaker 4: got to get the right shade.
Speaker 6: It's like five minutes too long in the chair and
Speaker 6: you go from runway to comic con.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, one hundred books.
Speaker 4: Who wants to read the synopsis?
Speaker 5: I'll read it because I would really like to ask,
Speaker 5: or I guess not ask. I would just like to
Speaker 5: throw my thoughts in the ring that it was a
Speaker 5: real travesty to not name this episode. Hopped up on Goofballs.
Speaker 5: Austin saying that out loud in the beginning of the
Speaker 5: episode literally made me split water everywhere.
Speaker 4: So that's just my first thought.
Speaker 5: But since the episode is sadly named what are You
Speaker 5: Willing to Lose, I'll tell you what it's about. While
Speaker 5: in the process of recording her new album, Haley battles
Speaker 5: to protect Red Bedroom Records with the help of Mia,
Speaker 5: Brook casts the new face of her clothing line, and
Speaker 5: Clay defends Nathan against a growing scandal. Julian and Brooke
Speaker 5: decide to move in together while Dan unveils his new bride.
Speaker 5: Unles Butler directed this who was always so lovely?
Speaker 4: And what an episode is this?
Speaker 6: The less who is also one of our editors.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, correct, I remember, look at you? You do
Speaker 4: remember stuff.
Speaker 6: I remember a few things. I didn't remember much of
Speaker 6: this episode. And before we even get into it, I
Speaker 6: want to say, last week we talked about you're saying,
Speaker 6: did I understand why the show worked? Did it make sense?
Speaker 6: And I said, oh, yeah, I completely get it was
Speaker 6: as popular as it was and why it's still endures.
Speaker 6: And I realized watching this episode. One thing that this
Speaker 6: show does incredibly well is it produces so many memorable
Speaker 6: quotable moments. Oh yeah, this is this show is perfect
Speaker 6: fodder for water cooler talk or you know, or like
Speaker 6: it's like conversational click. But there are so many scenes
Speaker 6: where there's just a line or a moment where I
Speaker 6: was like, oh, I can't wait for us to get
Speaker 6: into this. Oh I can't wait to quote that line.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: In addition to a great storytelling, there's just so many
Speaker 6: hits throughout the way that are fun to share.
Speaker 5: And you know, yeah, great signers did hopped upon Goofballs.
Speaker 5: Make it on your list of one hit wonders for
Speaker 5: this episode as well.
Speaker 6: It is my favorite way to describe addiction is hopped
Speaker 6: up on Goofballs. If Disney had to make a movie
Speaker 6: about addiction, the tagline might include she was hopped up
Speaker 6: on goofballs in the four Know that and also I
Speaker 6: could totally eat the butt off a scum.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, it's so I have that one do.
Speaker 4: That whole scene was fantastic. Well, let's talk about Alex.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is this, uh, this is the introduction
Speaker 3: of Janna Kramer as Alex Do prey go.
Speaker 4: So if you've already got your mouth up and go.
Speaker 5: I'm just so excited that she's finally here. Janna is
Speaker 5: so funny. She is the level of commitment to play
Speaker 5: someone like Alex who says these things out loud to
Speaker 5: other people so shamelessly.
Speaker 4: Like it just to me.
Speaker 5: Speaks to Janna's boldness as an artist. And I also
Speaker 5: just love her. She is so frickin funny. Her and
Speaker 5: Lisa together like, I want this movie. I want the
Speaker 5: Milicent and Alex show. I just like they There were
Speaker 5: so many good things happening in this episode with those
Speaker 5: two were my absolute favorite people.
Speaker 4: We missed it.
Speaker 3: We missed I needed a whole episode or a movie
Speaker 3: of just Alex and Millie in the car. The plane
Speaker 3: gets like gets canceled, they have to drive from New
Speaker 3: York to Tree Hill, the two of them surviving with
Speaker 3: each other in the car. That's that's what I want
Speaker 3: to see. I was robbed.
Speaker 6: I didn't remember that we initially met her through that
Speaker 6: movie she was doing. I didn't either through Julian's unreleased
Speaker 6: movie sot so confused. What in the Jane Austen is
Speaker 6: happening right now?
Speaker 4: What are we doing?
Speaker 6: But what a clever device that they circled back to
Speaker 6: at the end of the movie for that button.
Speaker 5: Yes, And I was so excited that I didn't remember that.
Speaker 5: That's how Brooke got obsessed with Alex, because when the
Speaker 5: scene hit at the end, like it happened in my house,
Speaker 5: and I had no idea, and I went, oh, you.
Speaker 4: Didn't remember when she name the whole speech about the dress.
Speaker 6: I know.
Speaker 5: I had a full out loud gas at the end
Speaker 5: when Brooke and Julian are watching Alex's movie and they
Speaker 5: leave the room and then her dress speech happens. I
Speaker 5: was like, Oh my god, that conniving little shit, and
Speaker 5: I was so happy because to your point, Rob, I
Speaker 5: was like, God, they really circled back around in such
Speaker 5: a good way.
Speaker 3: I had just seen The Friends a few weeks ago.
Speaker 3: I watched the Friends episode where it's the one that
Speaker 3: could have been and Rachel is married to Barry and
Speaker 3: she's like a she's a Jersey housewife, and she shows
Speaker 3: up on set and she's a fan of Joey Tribani
Speaker 3: and Days of Our Lives and he keeps trying to
Speaker 3: get her to go home with him, and by he
Speaker 3: gets her to go home with him by quoting all
Speaker 3: these lines to her from his characters on Days of
Speaker 3: Our Lives, and she keeps going, is that a line
Speaker 3: for the show?
Speaker 4: Is that aline for the show?
Speaker 3: There was something about the way she was reading when
Speaker 3: she took the robe off and she was standing there
Speaker 3: in that dress, and I just was like, this is
Speaker 3: a speech. This is definitely from something. Absolutely I didn't
Speaker 3: expect it to be in the end of the movie,
Speaker 3: but I definitely thought she was giving some kind of
Speaker 3: speech from another role.
Speaker 5: I was half expecting her also to do it and
Speaker 5: then be like sorry, I was being difficult earlier, like
Speaker 5: you know, I've always been told you have to be
Speaker 5: kind of a bitch to be famous or like something,
Speaker 5: and be like, but this is the real me. And
Speaker 5: then like book walks out of the room and she
Speaker 5: looks at Millian and she's like, told you I was
Speaker 5: a good actress, like I was. I was expecting that
Speaker 5: after the dress speech. I was not expecting her to
Speaker 5: have ripped it from her own movie. So I got
Speaker 5: two surprises.
Speaker 3: I want to see you walk in there and stare
Speaker 3: at the TV at the end, like she was just
Speaker 3: waiting for you, for you to walk back in the
Speaker 3: room and be like, ah, but yeah, to cut away.
Speaker 6: I was so glad that they came back to that
Speaker 6: because in that scene and close over bros where she
Speaker 6: gives you the speech, I was underwhelmed. I wrote in
Speaker 6: my notes that really that was enough for the turnaround
Speaker 6: for Brooke because it just didn't it didn't feel it
Speaker 6: felt out of place. It just didn't feel organg. I
Speaker 6: didn't quite buy it, So I'm sort of going that
Speaker 6: was enough. So it was great that at the end
Speaker 6: of it you realized, oh, that's why it was sort
Speaker 6: of out of place, and disingenuous Cuz, yeah, yeah, it was.
Speaker 6: It was a nice way to sort of cap.
Speaker 5: That exactly because you're watching it, going, why is this
Speaker 5: turning things around for Brooks so fast? And I have
Speaker 5: a note in my stuff of going like I wonder
Speaker 5: if I had one of those moments where I said,
Speaker 5: this doesn't feel like enough and they were like, tough shit,
Speaker 5: it's in the script, shoot the scene, Like, yeah, I
Speaker 5: wondered to myself, is this one of those times where
Speaker 5: we just had to commit even though it felt off
Speaker 5: so for for us to get to the end of
Speaker 5: the episode and collectively the three of us, but I
Speaker 5: would imagine also our friends at home, y'all can tell us,
Speaker 5: you know, online to get to the end and go
Speaker 5: that's why I didn't buy it, and it's it's yeah,
Speaker 5: feels nice. You feel like you've discovered something as an
Speaker 5: audience member. You know that you're in on a seat
Speaker 5: secret and you are because now the audience knows that
Speaker 5: Alex is a faker and brook still doesn't that whole though.
Speaker 3: You and Jana, but god, you and Lisa when you
Speaker 3: said we should speak to her.
Speaker 4: In Spanish and she goes out blah blah, blah serves.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would like lots of beer, and she's like, yes,
Speaker 5: lots of beer.
Speaker 7: Good.
Speaker 6: Well, I did sort of bump on was that enough?
Speaker 6: And sort of to your point, So if you're saying
Speaker 6: I wonder if it was one of those days on
Speaker 6: set where you were like, really, is that enough? The
Speaker 6: thing that that why it works though, is that obviously
Speaker 6: Brooke has such a big heart, and Alex didn't come
Speaker 6: in and just say I made a mistake. She she
Speaker 6: over shared in a big, vulnerable way, and it kind
Speaker 6: of painted you into a corner of at least in
Speaker 6: that moment, having to go okay, yeah, okay, okay, like
Speaker 6: it didn't feel like it was the right time, Like
Speaker 6: she didn't just give you a lazy excuse and you
Speaker 6: could have gone, hey, this isn't working.
Speaker 4: You know, somebody's breaking down in tears in front of you,
Speaker 4: what are you gonna do?
Speaker 5: Yeah, and talking about how they have nothing left because
Speaker 5: of their struggles with addiction, and you're just.
Speaker 4: Like, it's horrible. I'm so sorry. It is a disease.
Speaker 5: It's not a choice, you know, Like I love the
Speaker 5: I love that to your point, like she hits Brooke
Speaker 5: it like she tugs every single one of those hard strings,
Speaker 5: and it's just like please, It's like, what am I
Speaker 5: gonna do?
Speaker 6: Going back to the start of the episode, did anyone
Speaker 6: else feel like the beach scene with Clay and Nathan
Speaker 6: look like a failed screen test for Twilight. Yes, it
Speaker 6: was two obscenely pale dudes running shirtless down the beach.
Speaker 4: It was great. That was so juicy.
Speaker 5: What made me laugh about it is that clearly you
Speaker 5: guys were like really running in a wide shot and
Speaker 5: then it cut to a close up of like the
Speaker 5: last two steps when you get to the end of
Speaker 5: a sprint and you feel like you're moving so fast
Speaker 5: your legs are going to trip you. But like the
Speaker 5: jump cut didn't work like in the wide you were
Speaker 5: just getting going and then suddenly you were at the end,
Speaker 5: which is what made it feel sort of twilighty, like.
Speaker 3: You guys were the same guy down the beach right there.
Speaker 6: There were a few moments in this episode of highly
Speaker 6: questionable blocking in my opinion, and this was the start
Speaker 6: of it, because never in my life have I been
Speaker 6: running with a buddy and just thought, after we're really
Speaker 6: gassed out, I want to stop and ask you a
Speaker 6: question and then immediately start sprinting. It was yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: it was funny.
Speaker 3: That's the kind of stuff that would drive me crazy
Speaker 3: as an actor, and what you're on set and things
Speaker 3: just have to keep moving, and somebody set up the camera,
Speaker 3: especially on a beach day, because they'll have set up
Speaker 3: the cameras before. They don't bring you down to rehearse.
Speaker 3: They're like, we got to keep everything moving. They'll just
Speaker 3: set it all up, and then you walk on set
Speaker 3: and they tell you where you're supposed to go, and
Speaker 3: you're like, why would I do that?
Speaker 4: That's dumb.
Speaker 3: This is literally my job as an actor is to
Speaker 3: tell you where I would go, what I would do,
Speaker 3: what my character would be feeling, or how they would
Speaker 3: be moving. So to he somebody else jump in and say, listen,
Speaker 3: we need to eliminate your job and just have you
Speaker 3: be a body that talks for a few minutes. You're like, great, okay,
Speaker 3: just my day.
Speaker 6: It was fine because what that should have looked like
Speaker 6: was we stop and there is twenty five seconds of
Speaker 6: us catching our breath. Huh. And then I asked the question, yeah,
Speaker 6: but like to Sofa's point, it was like we're sprinting
Speaker 6: full speed for fifty yards and that's like, okay, so
Speaker 6: this might not be so good. Huh, what are you
Speaker 6: Jason Bourne.
Speaker 4: No, it's really weird. It was fun to watch though,
Speaker 4: and I will.
Speaker 5: Say like, this is one of those moments where I think,
Speaker 5: after we did this job for so long, I'm like,
Speaker 5: I get exactly what you're saying, joy, because I have
Speaker 5: been like, well, then what did I come to work
Speaker 5: for today? And then also there's the other side where
Speaker 5: I get the director being like, well, what I don't
Speaker 5: want is to have these two guys doing like a
Speaker 5: walk and talk down the beach, and Clay is giving
Speaker 5: Nathan such good advice. He's like, listen, you know, I
Speaker 5: get that you're scared. I get that it's a contract year.
Speaker 5: What we're gonna do is keep you in shape, keep
Speaker 5: you fucking fast, keep you ready for work, and nobody's
Speaker 5: going to be able to come at you. And so
Speaker 5: I absolutely get how the director like made the choice
Speaker 5: of ooh, this will be a nice way to get
Speaker 5: in and to get out, and it'll have movement and
Speaker 5: it'll look different than things look and all the other stuff.
Speaker 5: And I was like, hold on, these boys are running
Speaker 5: down a beach and no one is on it, and
Speaker 5: then when you turn around, there's a thousand people aunt
Speaker 5: Quinn's out for a walk into bikini.
Speaker 4: There's a snack stand.
Speaker 5: There's like kids burying grown ups, like what are we
Speaker 5: talking about?
Speaker 4: We're not in the same place at all.
Speaker 5: And that that was like crazier to me. I was like, then,
Speaker 5: why didn't you guys have them end their sprint, huff
Speaker 5: and puff to the snackstand to get a water. And
Speaker 5: then I have a serious conversation and get interrupted by
Speaker 5: someone also going to the snackstand.
Speaker 4: I was like, this is not.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it made me feel a little crazy, but you
Speaker 5: guys really did You did it in.
Speaker 4: A very believable way.
Speaker 5: And I have to say, like, through the whole episode,
Speaker 5: and I remember this at the time, and I know
Speaker 5: it's because the material in his storyline is great, but
Speaker 5: there was a very cool thing that happened when Clay
Speaker 5: showed up in Nathan's world. And I really feel like
Speaker 5: we got to see a side of James as an
Speaker 5: actor that we didn't get before. We've had so much
Speaker 5: of this amazing Nathan and Haley love story, you know,
Speaker 5: and yes, pursuing your dreams, but like you've done so
Speaker 5: much of it as a couple, and it's why Nealey
Speaker 5: is iconic to us. But for me watching this, I'm like,
Speaker 5: oh my god, I remember days on set watching you
Speaker 5: guys work and being like, this dynamic is so cool,
Speaker 5: And now that I'm seeing it again, I remember how
Speaker 5: it felt then, and I'm really enjoying it as an
Speaker 5: audience member.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 5: It's like a whole different window into one of our
Speaker 5: favorite characters, and it lets you show up on that
Speaker 5: level of a favorite character from day one, and you're
Speaker 5: just so likable as Clay, and I trust your advice
Speaker 5: and I trust your intentions, and I love the way
Speaker 5: you confront Renee and the whole thing. I just was like, God,
Speaker 5: their dynamic is so good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you show up already in charge, which is important.
Speaker 6: Oh thanks, Yeah. It was so fun getting there. Was
Speaker 6: very little time wasted in terms of us jumping into
Speaker 6: the thick of it. You know, it was essentially seven
Speaker 6: oh one and then even seven oh one though ends
Speaker 6: with oh no, yeah, So it was very short runway
Speaker 6: before we kind of things took off and it got
Speaker 6: heavy that I don't want to get ahead of us.
Speaker 6: But there's that scene in the restaurant though with Renee. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I it made me laugh so much that. I love
Speaker 6: that James comes in so hot and an extremely crowded restaurant. Yeah,
Speaker 6: he doesn't even wait till he gets the table. He's
Speaker 6: probably twenty feet away, and he's like, why are you
Speaker 6: doing this? Why are you doing this? And of course
Speaker 6: Claire runs over and it ushers him out of the car.
Speaker 6: It wouldn't they get in the car. Claiy goes, why
Speaker 6: are you doing you maniac? And he goes, I just
Speaker 6: wanted to talk to her. Yeah, you know, I'm like,
Speaker 6: did you shouted across a crowded restaurant, you psychopath? What
Speaker 6: she did was the opposite of.
Speaker 5: The absolute opposite. And by the way, like as soon
Speaker 5: as he walked in, I was like.
Speaker 6: Who what?
Speaker 5: Why are there a hundred phones in the air? And
Speaker 5: then I realized watching the the Dan and Rachel's stuff,
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, that's a v one iPhone right.
Speaker 5: We were in the moment filming this where like iPhones
Speaker 5: were still pretty new. Everyone didn't just have their phones
Speaker 5: out filming everything all the time. They have pictures of
Speaker 5: their food yet, and it created like a like a
Speaker 5: separate ness.
Speaker 4: And I love that he and you were like, everyone's
Speaker 4: got their camera phones out. I'm like, oh, we haven't
Speaker 4: said camera phone in so long. And that was absolutely
Speaker 4: in the script back then.
Speaker 3: I was really surprised when Nathan stormed in after this woman. Yes,
Speaker 3: I really thought he's smart enough to not do that, but.
Speaker 4: Yeah, come on, come on man.
Speaker 3: Also, I'm sorry, but like a sonogram photo in a
Speaker 3: in an envelope is not.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm like, that's not a paternity test what we're doing.
Speaker 4: But I do.
Speaker 5: I will say I understand the scare of it and
Speaker 5: like the shrimp drop because the timeline and what I
Speaker 5: loved is actually what sold it so well for me.
Speaker 5: First of all, I think the gal who plays Renee
Speaker 5: is great.
Speaker 6: She's great, Kate French is her name, Kate, That's right.
Speaker 5: She's really in it. She's likable, and yet somehow, because
Speaker 5: of the way she's playing it, I don't trust her,
Speaker 5: but I don't hate her. You know, Like she she
Speaker 5: toes the line really well.
Speaker 4: There's this simple it's just kind of sympathetic, uh huh.
Speaker 5: And the way she looks at you, it's it's the
Speaker 5: way she delivers how wild that party got, and then
Speaker 5: the panic on your face because you know it was bad,
Speaker 5: and you know you black, You were probably a little blackout,
Speaker 5: and so was he. And so it's actually for me
Speaker 5: the conversation that that Clay and Nathan have about that night.
Speaker 4: That sells it for me.
Speaker 5: That you're like, this is this is this is three
Speaker 5: months And I was like, oh, they're they're making the
Speaker 5: fact that it's only a sonogram photo feel like such
Speaker 5: a bigger deal to me because they both are saying
Speaker 5: without saying, yeah, I don't actually really remember what happened
Speaker 5: that night, and that's where the fear comes in. And
Speaker 5: I was like, God, everybody's just doing such a good
Speaker 5: job with this, because those are the scenes that could
Speaker 5: fall flat on the page. It's like, well, there's this,
Speaker 5: and there's this, and then look at this and look surprised,
Speaker 5: and you guys really made like a a yummy meal
Speaker 5: out of it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, if she hadn't so successfully sowed the seed of doubt,
Speaker 6: none of that works, because if that doesn't exist, it
Speaker 6: doesn't matter if there's a sonogram. Nathan would just be like,
Speaker 6: I know what I did. But when you do that,
Speaker 6: then all of a sudden, it creates that shadow of
Speaker 6: a doubt. But I want to rewind for a second.
Speaker 6: As someone who, like I said, I remember so little
Speaker 6: of the show. How big of a shock was it
Speaker 6: when Dan's wife is revealed to be Rachel.
Speaker 5: The biggest Okay, it is the biggest shock. And here's
Speaker 5: what's crazy.
Speaker 4: I I did.
Speaker 5: Not remember that this was how it happened. I didn't
Speaker 5: know it happened in seven oh two. I didn't know
Speaker 5: it happened on his TV show in like a very
Speaker 5: Tony Robbins Doctor Phil kind of way.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god, Oh my god.
Speaker 5: The only reason I even remember Dan has a talk
Speaker 5: show is because of things that come later with other characters.
Speaker 4: I don't want a spoiler for the New Friends here.
Speaker 5: I remember a scene that happens, and this is not
Speaker 5: a spoiler. It gives nothing away. Where Dan and Rachel
Speaker 5: get back to Tree Hill and there's like this whole
Speaker 5: scene at the airport and it's very chic and bougie.
Speaker 5: That's the iconic Rachel reveals scene that I remember with Dan.
Speaker 5: So when she walked out on the show this week,
Speaker 5: I was like, wait, we already know this, like it
Speaker 5: was so I was so surprised, and yeah, nobody could
Speaker 5: believe it. When it happened.
Speaker 3: Then, Yeah, I remembered it, and I was waiting for
Speaker 3: it and was very excited to see it come to
Speaker 3: life again because I haven't seen it since.
Speaker 4: I think I remember it because I might have been
Speaker 4: there that day on the set. I don't know why.
Speaker 3: I just was whatever stopped by, but I do remembered it.
Speaker 3: I do remember it, and it was very satisfying. It's
Speaker 3: just so juicy and yummy and scandalous, and there there
Speaker 3: was something about what did you just say? Uh oh yeah,
Speaker 3: but the fans rob to answer your question. The fans
Speaker 3: went crazy when this happened. The message boards lit up.
Speaker 3: It was a really really big deal. Yeah, super super unexpected.
Speaker 4: And because the whole lead up is him saying things
Speaker 4: that could potentially.
Speaker 5: Be deb Yeah, you're like, oh my god, did they
Speaker 5: actually work it out?
Speaker 4: They got they got back together. Yea, So it's a
Speaker 4: big deal.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because he talks about her struggles with like alcohol
Speaker 5: and drugs, deb promiscuous, well deubdated skills and Dan you know,
Speaker 5: tease her about it relentlessly, like all these things that
Speaker 5: he's saying, and you're going.
Speaker 4: Is dep Scott about to like walk out.
Speaker 5: Like looking like a whole snack on this stage.
Speaker 4: And then it's Rachel and what I love. It's so funny.
Speaker 5: Now, like Denil is such a power producer. She is
Speaker 5: so smart about the way she works and the shows
Speaker 5: that her and her husband make and everything that they
Speaker 5: do together, and it was so funny to see the
Speaker 5: foreshadowing of that. But inside the Rachel character, like this
Speaker 5: woman who's having such a good time being married to
Speaker 5: this rich guy and like giving him all the instructions
Speaker 5: and she's put his whole life back together and you know,
Speaker 5: she's creating the buzz online and.
Speaker 4: All the things.
Speaker 5: And I was like, oh my god, this is such
Speaker 5: a trip because it's like it's like I'm seeing the
Speaker 5: sinister twin sister.
Speaker 4: Of my friend. But now, that's what I.
Speaker 3: Thought was so interesting about watching Dan and Rachel was
Speaker 3: that he consistently, even throughout the end of the episode,
Speaker 3: going on his own to sit down next to his
Speaker 3: new homeless friend and you know, have a beer without
Speaker 3: cameras around, without his his wife and the entourage or whatever.
Speaker 3: He's consistent in his appearance to be at least attempting
Speaker 3: to redeem his life, and Rachel is clearly running the
Speaker 3: show she's running everything, which is since when does Dan
Speaker 3: the Mastermind decide to just turn over everything to somebody
Speaker 3: else to run it? It's so interesting, most interesting thing
Speaker 3: of the whole season, I'm sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, and what I love too is again I feel
Speaker 5: like there was a little foreshadowing even us like going
Speaker 5: down the rabbit hole of what a big concept forgiveness
Speaker 5: is last week? Yeah about Dan, Like Dan's vibe in
Speaker 5: this episode, like he feels like a full cult leader,
Speaker 5: like do you think like this charming man is like
Speaker 5: I have the way and come with me and redemption
Speaker 5: is possible for you. And I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 5: did we like sort of know how? Again down the
Speaker 5: rabbit hole this storyline was going to go like were
Speaker 5: we like having some sort of I don't want to
Speaker 5: say premonition, but you know what I mean, like sense
Speaker 5: of foreboding.
Speaker 4: It's so.
Speaker 5: It is so big and and for me that that
Speaker 5: sort of mentality of like this man who wants to
Speaker 5: be a leader and have these followers on TV.
Speaker 4: Like even Dan's dialogue Toes the.
Speaker 5: Line right He's like, well, I don't know about God,
Speaker 5: but like you can read this book about me, Like
Speaker 5: if there's all this stuff that I'm like, wait, this
Speaker 5: is so funny and actually so weirdly familiar that it
Speaker 5: leads to a bit of unsettling because you go, oh,
Speaker 5: is he different or or is he really leaning into
Speaker 5: this thing and letting her take the reins so he
Speaker 5: can have power.
Speaker 4: I don't know it.
Speaker 5: It spun me out a little bit in like a
Speaker 5: good fun mystery way.
Speaker 6: Well, the I thought the scene after the show is
Speaker 6: wrapped and they've called cut was so great because first
Speaker 6: it introduced the dynamic of she. He is so soft
Speaker 6: and sensitive and loving and she is one hundred percent
Speaker 6: business and calculated. Yeah. But the other interesting to your point,
Speaker 6: so is that his his whole tone and his cadence
Speaker 6: and his delivery of all of his stuff when he's
Speaker 6: on camera that is very cult leaderish. He kind of
Speaker 6: carries over into this moment with Rachel. He's still talking
Speaker 6: at that same and so it would be different if
Speaker 6: he sort of dropped back into normal Dan Scott, because
Speaker 6: then you know, that's what you would expect it's a show.
Speaker 6: But because he stays in that pocket, it kind of
Speaker 6: makes you question whether, Okay, is this is this the
Speaker 6: new version of him?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Because he's being loving, but it's that it's that same
Speaker 6: sort of like, oh, this still has that weird feel
Speaker 6: to it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because there's there's still a dynamic about appearance at play,
Speaker 5: but now it's between the two of them, and it
Speaker 5: does make you rewind, like we were talking about last
Speaker 5: week to you know, he is he's opening what we
Speaker 5: now know in this episode to be his talk show
Speaker 5: last week, and he's talking about how he was supposed
Speaker 5: to be dead by now and it's given him this
Speaker 5: whole new lease on life and it made him see
Speaker 5: everything differently, and you're like, is it true or is
Speaker 5: it marketing?
Speaker 4: Oh, it's all good and juicy. I think he really
Speaker 4: believes it.
Speaker 5: I think Paul certainly commits that Dan believes it as
Speaker 5: a performer, and I'm just so curious to see where
Speaker 5: it goes because again I don't really remember.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's genuinely trying to work his way
Speaker 3: out of his own personal health. But the problem is
Speaker 3: that's his whole life has just been deluding him, one
Speaker 3: delusion after another, one self deception after another to try
Speaker 3: and make himself feel better about all the things he's done,
Speaker 3: which yeah, is the mark of a cult leader and
Speaker 3: someone who's trying to be in charge of running a
Speaker 3: bunch of people because he feels like I've found the answers,
Speaker 3: and even in his delusion, I've got the answers.
Speaker 4: I know how to fix this. I know how to
Speaker 4: fix you, if only I can fix all these other people.
Speaker 4: It's still the same thing.
Speaker 3: It's still self focus, right Like in his other life,
Speaker 3: right his other before he didn't die, he was trying
Speaker 3: to just he was like consuming, eat, eat, like eat
Speaker 3: all the things that he wants, And now he's trying
Speaker 3: to do the exact same thing, fill himself up by
Speaker 3: sucking the life out of other people, by trying to
Speaker 3: make them like, if I can make your life better,
Speaker 3: then that gives my life value.
Speaker 4: It's so wild.
Speaker 6: Yeah, even the scene with when he goes outside and
Speaker 6: he sees that there's the gentleman experiencing homelessness and he
Speaker 6: walks over to him. It was funny because I laughed, going,
Speaker 6: this is a real mixed bag because on one hand,
Speaker 6: he's taking a moment and he's acknowledging this person as
Speaker 6: a human being and he's asking him. On the other hand,
Speaker 6: he offers his autographed book and not a sandwich. He
Speaker 6: assumes the guy's going to sell the book for booze,
Speaker 6: oh god, and then and then and then it's a
Speaker 6: joy's point. It's not the Bible, but here's me, So
Speaker 6: it's sort of It was like they had the trappings
Speaker 6: of a sweet moment with completely botched delivery.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it works for me.
Speaker 5: I love it as much as it made me cringe
Speaker 5: to watch it because it helps this dynamic of is
Speaker 5: Dan different or is Dan exactly the same? I don't know,
Speaker 5: and I can't wait to find out, Like it builds
Speaker 5: the tension for me as a viewer. You know, do
Speaker 5: I still love to hate this guy? Or am I
Speaker 5: going to wind up loving this guy?
Speaker 4: Like I don't? I don't.
Speaker 3: That's the insidiousness about people who are so self delusional
Speaker 3: too though they think that they've got they've figured it out.
Speaker 3: And often people in that situation, like a cult leader,
Speaker 3: they will take something that looks it looks true, like
Speaker 3: it looks like everything else that you've seen that's true,
Speaker 3: and you're like, yeah, I resonate with that. There's one
Speaker 3: little thing that's off, Like you're handing me your book
Speaker 3: that's signed. You're handing me this autographed book instead of
Speaker 3: a sandwich, as you say, but there's so much about
Speaker 3: it that feels good or feels familiar. You're like, oh,
Speaker 3: I guess maybe maybe it's the same thing. Sure, And
Speaker 3: it's hard to notice those things.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, You're like, maybe he's using cringey terms because
Speaker 5: he's like kind of a boomer and doesn't know.
Speaker 4: But maybe his intentions are good.
Speaker 6: And it kind of makes it that much more believable though,
Speaker 6: because he isn't a new person. He's still Dan Scott,
Speaker 6: and even if this is all in earnest, he wouldn't
Speaker 6: suddenly know, he wouldn't have this new shorthand with how
Speaker 6: to communicate with people in a brand new way. So
Speaker 6: it is very very believable. Yeah, but it is funny
Speaker 6: that he he's like, hey, tell me about yourself and
Speaker 6: then immediately is like, enough of you. I'm sure you
Speaker 6: want to drink booze read my book that I'm going
Speaker 6: to sign here. I believe me signing my name is
Speaker 6: going to make it more valid. It was just like
Speaker 6: it was so weird, you know what.
Speaker 5: It really reminded me in the moment, I just wrote
Speaker 5: the one word down, but now it's like bringing back
Speaker 5: so many memories of watching Did you guys watch the
Speaker 5: docu series on Nexiam, Yes, Oh my god, it's so
Speaker 5: incredible and like all of these women wound up in
Speaker 5: this horrific situation based on like the initial idea was,
Speaker 5: We're going to sort a women's empowerment group for you ladies. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and it's so dark and like watching all these old
Speaker 5: videos of that guy Keith Ranieri, I was like, we
Speaker 5: there's something really again. I think smart on the part
Speaker 5: of the writers because I feel like they looked to
Speaker 5: examples of people like that for this version of Dan
Speaker 5: where you're like, is he funny fix people kind of
Speaker 5: on TV Doctor Phil or is he like scary cult guy?
Speaker 4: And I don't know.
Speaker 5: And in the beginning of a seventh season of a
Speaker 5: TV show, when someone like Dan Scott is such an
Speaker 5: iconic character and you feel like you know everything about
Speaker 5: him and his inner workings, to have him feel brand
Speaker 5: new and newly dangerous, Like, honestly, it's such a hats
Speaker 5: off for me to the writers because I'm like, you
Speaker 5: guys managed to thread and needle here, and like, to
Speaker 5: be clear, we don't always do that so well on
Speaker 5: our show.
Speaker 4: Like sometimes we watch episodes and.
Speaker 5: We're like, wow, that scene was really embarrassing. This arc
Speaker 5: for me was terrible for three episodes because they just
Speaker 5: needed me to get from point A to point B
Speaker 5: and they had nothing in between. So I'm like a
Speaker 5: dancing puppet, like we we can absolutely make fun of
Speaker 5: ourselves in the writing.
Speaker 4: That wasn't good. But when it's this good, I'm like,
Speaker 4: oil guys.
Speaker 5: Okay, Coller, yeah, Dollar, I'm very impited.
Speaker 4: Tap in before. That's the thing, man, all these cult leaders,
Speaker 4: it's like they work.
Speaker 5: Out of the There's been so many like for decades,
Speaker 5: but that's how they get people.
Speaker 4: I mean, I've been working on my you know, six months. Dinner.
Speaker 3: This is also the whole thing about sucking. That's why
Speaker 3: I call it dinner for vampires, because you're like sucking
Speaker 3: the life out of people around you. And that's what
Speaker 3: these guys do. Like the Keith ranary. You got to
Speaker 3: watch this documentary Robins.
Speaker 4: We'll talk about it's so good.
Speaker 3: That gets you because it's like a oh yeah, women's
Speaker 3: empowerment or like let's start a Bible study or let's
Speaker 3: start a you know whatever. Come come see a talk,
Speaker 3: like a Ted talk kind of thing, and there's so
Speaker 3: much of it that seems reasonable. It's just it's like
Speaker 3: it's such a slow burn.
Speaker 4: It's like a copy of a Ted talk but it's
Speaker 4: a lit something's.
Speaker 5: A little off and you don't know what, And like
Speaker 5: that's what I think is so interesting, is even in
Speaker 5: them choosing to use this talk show format for Dan Scott,
Speaker 5: Like we've all gotten great things out of those sorts
Speaker 5: of shows, and particularly in that era. Like when I
Speaker 5: was a little kid, I used to literally bargain with
Speaker 5: my mom that if I was getting straight a's, would
Speaker 5: you please pick me up at two forty five from
Speaker 5: school even though the bell doesn't ring till three, because
Speaker 5: if you pick me up at two forty five, I
Speaker 5: can be on my butt in the den to watch
Speaker 5: Oprah and she starts at three. And my mom was like,
Speaker 5: you're nine, I'm not bargaining with you over your education,
Speaker 5: and why do you want to come home and watch
Speaker 5: Oprah so bad?
Speaker 4: Like I feel so shaped by that show. And so
Speaker 4: there really is.
Speaker 5: Something I think about leaning into that space where you're like, yeah,
Speaker 5: this feels familiar but a little off.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And where are the blind spots where people are
Speaker 3: like willing to make concessions and they're all, yeah, because
Speaker 3: it's filling a hole in some way, and.
Speaker 4: He's tapped in. Dan Scott's figured it out well.
Speaker 5: And by the way, it's a exactly what works with
Speaker 5: Alex and Brooke.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Brooke doesn't know yet.
Speaker 5: That that speech is familiar and a little off because
Speaker 5: it's actually a dialogue from a movie. But like we
Speaker 5: all picked up on it and we were like, wait,
Speaker 5: it's like a good apology, but also it feels weird.
Speaker 5: It's a truism that like is mirrored in the episode
Speaker 5: over and over again, and I love it. Like I
Speaker 5: even feel it in the Stuff with You Joy between
Speaker 5: Haley and Quinn when you're like, but what happened and
Speaker 5: she's like, it just changed. It just changed because you
Speaker 5: know there's more to this story.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was such a lame answer that she gave me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you can tell from her performance that like
Speaker 5: there's something under there. Yeah, and it makes you go,
Speaker 5: I think I'm supposed to know more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're not really like that it, so we'll
Speaker 3: move on. But yeah, yeah, that was not a satisfactory answer.
Speaker 3: I literally have that in my notes Marriage Falling Apart,
Speaker 3: Open Mic Night's story is lame.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 5: Wait, I was gonna be like, Okay, so you hated
Speaker 5: that he just changed? Answer did getting to the point
Speaker 5: where he didn't want to like live the life they'd
Speaker 5: lived together together anymore?
Speaker 4: Like did that help you? And you're like, lame.
Speaker 3: I understand, of course, I understand the concept of someone
Speaker 3: changing and kind of becoming a totally different part. You're like,
Speaker 3: this isn't who I married, this is not what I expected.
Speaker 3: And there's varying degrees of That's. Hey, there's varying degrees
Speaker 3: of that where some are acceptable and move forward together
Speaker 3: a bowl, and there are others that are not.
Speaker 4: And I understand all that. That's it's complicated.
Speaker 3: But he's not the same person anymore. He just changed.
Speaker 3: I didn't change. He changed. I went to an open
Speaker 3: mic night and I didn't want him to be there
Speaker 3: with me.
Speaker 4: I was like, no, tell me what happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But maybe maybe Haley gets that out of her later,
Speaker 3: because it's just too it's too vague to just say
Speaker 3: someone changed. And I didn't know if the writers were
Speaker 3: being lazy or if it was like we had, they
Speaker 3: had six drafts of it and they had to make
Speaker 3: a decision on one and nobody could decide and somebody
Speaker 3: wasn't available over a weekend, and who knows, the line
Speaker 3: just got written as it was. I don't know, but
Speaker 3: it was unsatisfactory to me.
Speaker 5: It almost feels like they knew they wanted there to
Speaker 5: be something, but they hadn't figured out what the something was,
Speaker 5: so they were just smooting to a mystery something.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Maybe maybe Yeah, because it leaves it, it cracks the
Speaker 6: door wide open. I mean, it can't be more vague
Speaker 6: than I did. Like her line where I think you
Speaker 6: say to her joy, you say, people have the right
Speaker 6: to change, and she says, yeah, but people also have
Speaker 6: the right to stay the same.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was my favorite too, which.
Speaker 6: I love that. I love that line, but it is
Speaker 6: it's it's so wildly vague that it kind of does
Speaker 6: it paints them into no corners now. Yeah, so it
Speaker 6: kind of bought them time to see like how your
Speaker 6: guys's chemistry was going to be and how everything went
Speaker 6: to sort of maybe they can make it better in
Speaker 6: form decision three episodes down the line.
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe that's it. I hope we do find out more.
Speaker 4: I do too.
Speaker 5: I do too, but I will say I I did
Speaker 5: appreciate that that was the nugget for me, because yes,
Speaker 5: of course, you imagine, like when you set out to say,
Speaker 5: I want to try to be with this person, you know, forever,
Speaker 5: like all these dream scenarios we've talked about for our future,
Speaker 5: like I want to work to make those true, and
Speaker 5: sometimes they're just not sometimes like the words can't be
Speaker 5: translated into action, and how do you know when to
Speaker 5: call it? And how do you know when to choose yourself?
Speaker 5: And what I got, you know, from Chantell's performance, which
Speaker 5: I thought was so it was beautiful to watch, even
Speaker 5: though I think the writers did a disservice with this
Speaker 5: really ambiguous scene they gave the two of you, because
Speaker 5: you're both great actors, and like you could have told
Speaker 5: us story instead of you know, done the weird alluding
Speaker 5: to something thing.
Speaker 4: But I could feel.
Speaker 5: The like pain of we made these plans together, we
Speaker 5: committed to a life together, and he doesn't.
Speaker 4: Want it anymore. Yeah, And.
Speaker 5: How hard it can be to say, like I'm so
Speaker 5: miserable I realize I don't miss someone. Yeah, Like I
Speaker 5: think we've all felt that in our own way, you know, offscreen,
Speaker 5: even on like early in our show Brooks says it
Speaker 5: to Lucas, She's like, you never missed me, and I
Speaker 5: stopped missing you. And I think there's something so true
Speaker 5: about when someone's not willing to make an effort for you.
Speaker 5: How long are you supposed to wait?
Speaker 4: Is it a year? Is it four years? Is it
Speaker 4: ten years?
Speaker 5: How long do you wait for them to care enough
Speaker 5: to care about you? And it it? Even though it
Speaker 5: was ambiguous. I almost wonder if it makes it feel
Speaker 5: relatable for everyone because you're like, oh, I don't know
Speaker 5: what she's talking about, but I know what she's talking about.
Speaker 5: I'd be really curious for audience feedback on that.
Speaker 6: M It makes it that much more accessible the broader
Speaker 6: you keep it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 6: But also, you know, though, it's kind of a sneaky
Speaker 6: tool because it invites speculation and back then when the
Speaker 6: messageboards were going crazy and fan theories were going crazy, Yeah,
Speaker 6: that's pretty juicy bait to put out there to then
Speaker 6: let the fans run with and theorize before you answer
Speaker 6: it in three episodes.
Speaker 4: If indeed they answer it, I hope they answer it.
Speaker 3: Yes, If they don't, I think people are smart and
Speaker 3: telling someone your own story that is in the same
Speaker 3: vein is somehow similar to their story is valuable, Like
Speaker 3: people could hear some sort of specific ideas and go like, okay, well,
Speaker 3: in my own circumstance, it wasn't exactly that, but I
Speaker 3: still feel all those same things, which I think sometimes
Speaker 3: can be more valuable than just a broad statement, because
Speaker 3: then it's like, well, but how like, I don't do
Speaker 3: you actually understand how I feel? But all of this
Speaker 3: is moot if they don't actually answer the question.
Speaker 4: I think they will. I know. David comes in because
Speaker 4: it was Alison who plays Miss Lauren's husband in real life. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I was so happy to have him. It was so
Speaker 4: fun when Scott got cast.
Speaker 7: Yeah, how wonderful is Gregory Harrison Julian's dead Paul?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I love that man.
Speaker 6: Another funny moment. So I had just done a series
Speaker 6: with Gregory for two years and loved him. I had
Speaker 6: completely forgotten he was on the show until I start
Speaker 6: watching these and he's so good and their stuff is
Speaker 6: so wonderful. The thing I laughed at well first before
Speaker 6: that scene was the way Brooke is suggesting, the way
Speaker 6: she's commenting on the positioning in the location of the
Speaker 6: poster as a guy with no fashion sense or an
Speaker 6: eye for decor, and I have a wife who has
Speaker 6: a wonderful eye for decor. I felt that conversation on a
Speaker 6: very deep, relatable level. But the one thing about the
Speaker 6: scene with Julian and Paul was that awkward blocking alert
Speaker 6: where Julian is standing right next to the front door
Speaker 6: and Paul sort of standing in the middle, and he goes, Dad,
Speaker 6: I think you should leave, and rather than opening the
Speaker 6: door for him, he takes five false steps for five
Speaker 6: steps away from it and kind of stops and waits
Speaker 6: so that they can have that shot of Paul talking
Speaker 6: over his shoulder. And I just went, buddy, you had
Speaker 6: him standing next to the door. Yeah, no adult would
Speaker 6: go I think you should leave. I'm going to walk
Speaker 6: to the other sideway. You know. It was just, yeah,
Speaker 6: I felt like I felt I felt as an actor, going, oh,
Speaker 6: this is one of those moments where you're.
Speaker 4: Like, please don't make me do this.
Speaker 6: Yeah, can we not? Can we skip that? Yeah?
Speaker 3: They were trying to make lunch. They were just like,
Speaker 3: come on, let's They were like, now.
Speaker 5: You walk in and then it's going to be your
Speaker 5: close up.
Speaker 4: That poster was so random to me.
Speaker 3: I understand what they were high to do, but it
Speaker 3: hung so high, so high, I appreciated that they length
Speaker 3: leaned into the awkwardness of it. Yeah, because it did
Speaker 3: look really strange, just random generic leaf pattern wallpaper with
Speaker 3: a thin red line poster on it, like it was
Speaker 3: he not decorating the rest of the house.
Speaker 4: But fine, I get it. It just felt a little clunky.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I will say I really again, Like, don't get
Speaker 5: me wrong, I love the love stories on our show.
Speaker 4: You know, that's what we're here for.
Speaker 5: Like, we wouldn't do all that, we wouldn't have done
Speaker 5: any of the dumb shit all of us have done
Speaker 5: in our lives if we weren't here for the love part.
Speaker 5: But I love seeing these relationships between Nathan and Clay,
Speaker 5: between Julian and Paul. And I was so taken by
Speaker 5: Austin's performances because when you think they're going to have
Speaker 5: this conversation where he's like, I'm sorry, I hung a
Speaker 5: poster in the middle of your living room and he
Speaker 5: tells this story about this day with his dad, it's
Speaker 5: so I can see all the emotion right under his eyes,
Speaker 5: right beneath his chest, like it's so alive for him
Speaker 5: and what I wanted to like high five him through
Speaker 5: the TV when we were watching the terrible way they
Speaker 5: made them block that scene because he used awkward blocking
Speaker 5: to give himself a moment to turn. And I'm telling you, guys,
Speaker 5: like when I saw him turn away from camera and
Speaker 5: turn back to Gregory, I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 5: he looks like a five year old boy, Like he
Speaker 5: looks like a little boy trying to talk to his dad.
Speaker 5: And it for these new characters in the same way
Speaker 5: I feel with Nathan and Clay. I feel like I
Speaker 5: got all their history in two scenes with Julian and
Speaker 5: Brook and then Julian and Paul.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I have all of it.
Speaker 5: I understand Paul as deeply as I understand Victoria, and
Speaker 5: I loved feeling like those men showed up for this
Speaker 5: like intimacy and this and no one was afraid to
Speaker 5: be revealing. And even Gregory, he's such a beautiful actor.
Speaker 5: When he's apologizing and he admits he doesn't remember the day,
Speaker 5: I was like.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I want to sob. I really loved it.
Speaker 6: That your speech to him was such a such a
Speaker 6: great portrayal of just an act of love, of caring
Speaker 6: for someone and being someone's protector. You know, it was
Speaker 6: it was such a nice moment. And then when he
Speaker 6: circles back with with Julian, you know, my note was, Oh,
Speaker 6: parents in real life could have such profound and quick
Speaker 6: adjustments like it was. It was such a wonderfully I'm
Speaker 6: sure every therapist would love that that was the case
Speaker 6: because they were so much more successful. But it was.
Speaker 6: It was so quick and so meaningful, which made for
Speaker 6: a great payoff. It was like, oh, if only, if only,
Speaker 6: this is sort of the way it went most of
Speaker 6: the time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I was thinking that too watching it. How
Speaker 3: incredibly I mean, even conversations with my dad, who I'm
Speaker 3: close with, talking about I'm sorry that I did this,
Speaker 3: or I'm sorry that I didn't show up in this way.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's so uncomfortable and we're both like trying
Speaker 3: not to cry. We're like, we're cool, it's fine, it's fine.
Speaker 6: It's fine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know that stuff is really hard to
Speaker 3: talk about, you, I mean, for me and my parents.
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe yeah, maybe it's not for everybody,
Speaker 3: but I wanted to see more emotion At the beginning,
Speaker 3: I was like, how is he just so easily saying
Speaker 3: these lines like I'm sorry that I paid more attention
Speaker 3: to fictional characters than I did to you. And I
Speaker 3: was like, ma'am, that doesn't that's not hard to say. Gosh.
Speaker 3: But then when he looks at the poster and he
Speaker 3: realizes he doesn't remember the day, it went from this
Speaker 3: sort of I'm going to be an adult and I'm
Speaker 3: going to be diplomatic and I'm an executive and I
Speaker 3: can apologize when I'm wrong, and I'm just going to
Speaker 3: say I'm sorry to my son, to oh, I've actually
Speaker 3: been a pretty terrible father in this way. Yeah, And
Speaker 3: it's like it didn't hit him until he really looked
Speaker 3: at the poster and realized that the most meaningful day
Speaker 3: to my son I literally do not remember. Then you
Speaker 3: saw it, that the vulnerability in his whole face, it
Speaker 3: was great. I thought it was really beautifully done.
Speaker 6: That line. I think the acknowledgment that he doesn't remember
Speaker 6: the day is where he earns that whole speech. Yeah,
Speaker 6: because that's because he didn't need to say that. He
Speaker 6: could have said nothing, and Julian probably would have hoped
Speaker 6: slash believed that his dad remembered it the same way
Speaker 6: that he did, but being vulnerable and sort of exposing
Speaker 6: the fact that he doesn't even remember it. It's like, Okay,
Speaker 6: you're You're not worried about how you're going to look
Speaker 6: right now or how I'm going to feel about you
Speaker 6: saying that you're just You're just You're giving me the
Speaker 6: dignity of being honest with me.
Speaker 4: The dignity of it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, beautiful, And there was something too. I loved the
Speaker 5: way the scenes mirrored. I loved being able to defend
Speaker 5: him as Brooke. I loved being able to step up
Speaker 5: and say, you know what, here's the issue, Like that
Speaker 5: is a thing I will do for the people I
Speaker 5: love in my own life forever. I think the way
Speaker 5: you phrased it, Rob makes me want to sob in
Speaker 5: the best way.
Speaker 4: Like the act of love of it.
Speaker 5: And for her to say there was only one day
Speaker 5: and that's the problem. It should be the inverse. The
Speaker 5: one day you made him feel terrible should be the
Speaker 5: rare day. And then when I think it leads into
Speaker 5: that thing with Gregory and the way he plays it
Speaker 5: for him to go, yeah, I don't remember that one
Speaker 5: day and it's like, oh God, everybody in the room,
Speaker 5: everybody in this house knows it's it's bad. But yeah,
Speaker 5: the chance maybe to have it changed. Maybe the way
Speaker 5: that hit him Paul like, wait a second, this this
Speaker 5: woman is telling me this thing, and yeah, I don't
Speaker 5: know the one day it was there, only one day.
Speaker 5: I wonder how long he ruminated on that.
Speaker 4: You know, it's Oh, I just thought it was really great.
Speaker 4: I loved it all. Maybe feel very emotional.
Speaker 6: And kind of like Joy was saying, it's there is
Speaker 6: almost a weird amount of polish to his to this
Speaker 6: speech he gives for someone who, if has spent his
Speaker 6: whole life being the opposite of it, you would think
Speaker 6: it would have been a lot more clumsy and clunky
Speaker 6: and in our so the fact that it is kind
Speaker 6: of polished and well spoken. But then he throws this in,
Speaker 6: like I said, I think that's what sort of sells
Speaker 6: the whole thing and grounds it and you go, oh, okay, yeah,
Speaker 6: I buy all of it. Totally changing a subject here,
Speaker 6: but speaking of great intros from last episode, Jana her
Speaker 6: first proper scene in this show, when she meets Millie
Speaker 6: at the airport. She it's another one of those scenes.
Speaker 6: It's dynamic, it's funny.
Speaker 4: It's early aughts fashion.
Speaker 6: It's oh, I don't mean the Jane Austen, I mean
Speaker 6: the the early aughts.
Speaker 3: It's like early two thousands, late nineties that fashion. Everything
Speaker 3: she was wearing was so eppecific. It's so brittany Christina,
Speaker 3: like everything from those magazines back then.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, with the exception of her dropping a hard
Speaker 6: R word, it was pretty polished and perfect.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I didn't love that, But interestingly it it leads to
Speaker 5: the disgust even more. You're like, you're a mere monster.
Speaker 5: You're a monster. And you can see it on Millie's face.
Speaker 5: She's like, wait, who is this person? Oh no, and
Speaker 5: everything from like the horrible thing she has to say
Speaker 5: about people to you know, oh, I just made that up.
Speaker 5: Let's go to a Mickey Dez, like to your favorite line,
Speaker 5: I could eat the butt off of skunk, Like, yeah,
Speaker 5: digging through the limo, Janna even changed the cadence of
Speaker 5: her voice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like walking through the airport, she's.
Speaker 5: Like, oh, thank you, Oh my gosh, thank you.
Speaker 4: No, you're brave.
Speaker 5: And then she gets in and she's like ew gross,
Speaker 5: Now hungry, when where's my alcohol?
Speaker 4: Like it and you're just aghast. That was my word.
Speaker 5: I am a gast, a gust and like, how fun
Speaker 5: to feel that way watching someone perform.
Speaker 6: And she plays Alex with such earnestness in the sense
Speaker 6: of you see it in the clothes over bro scene,
Speaker 6: which in comedy is so great because the more you
Speaker 6: can commit, the better it's going to be. But that
Speaker 6: wonderful exchange of that's what she said, and then her
Speaker 6: sincerely not getting it but then wanting to be in
Speaker 6: on the joke and then using it incorrectly was good,
Speaker 6: so much fun. You know, they say there's no vanity
Speaker 6: in comedy, and that was a perfect example of just
Speaker 6: she was willing to just go for it and look
Speaker 6: like a complete ass, and it made the joke land
Speaker 6: so well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was perfect.
Speaker 6: It was.
Speaker 5: And then not only does she use it wrong, but
Speaker 5: when she sets me up for a good one and
Speaker 5: I use it and she's like, who oh, my friend,
Speaker 5: yeah she said that, and the scene is I was like,
Speaker 5: this is so it's just so good.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed watching you enjoy that, like the choice to
Speaker 3: make Brooke not just totally appalled, but actually so beyond
Speaker 3: you were incredulous. It could just could not believe it,
Speaker 3: and then you really started to enjoy it.
Speaker 4: It was great. I really I had so much fun
Speaker 4: with it.
Speaker 5: And it's funny because watching Alex and Millie together, I
Speaker 5: was like, well, I want this whole movie. I want
Speaker 5: this buddy comedy. And then that scene with the three
Speaker 5: of us I wrote down. I was like, oh, I
Speaker 5: want us to remake nine to five. Oh yeah, it
Speaker 5: would be so funny.
Speaker 6: Uh. The the one thing about that scene that I
Speaker 6: had I had to laugh at and just shake my
Speaker 6: head was when she goes says something to the effect
Speaker 6: of oh, you know, and because I have a great butt,
Speaker 6: and they actually do a gratuitous close up shot of
Speaker 6: her butt in underwear, and it was that reminder of.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, okay, yeah, I know what show this is.
Speaker 6: I know it showed. Okay, we still got that's still happening,
Speaker 6: all right.
Speaker 4: I mean, by the way, Janna got it, Chantell got it.
Speaker 5: On the beach, India gets it soon, India gets it
Speaker 5: all the time. There was there was a shot on
Speaker 5: the beach leading up to one of those snackstand scenes,
Speaker 5: or maybe the one where skills in Miss Lauren get buried.
Speaker 4: That's just two girls walking by. It's just their butts.
Speaker 4: It's hip bones down, yeah, just butts, And I.
Speaker 5: Was like, wow, they really was this like a U
Speaker 5: Was this an email sent to camera people from our
Speaker 5: boss like more butts?
Speaker 4: I don't know what's.
Speaker 3: Happening because the guys that were running our camera department
Speaker 3: were not no look, I mean no, these guys were
Speaker 3: us men. They were wonderful, lovely, wonderful, respectful men. So
Speaker 3: there had to be some kind of company wide memo
Speaker 3: that went out that was like, we need more TNA
Speaker 3: on this show.
Speaker 4: Boy.
Speaker 6: Speaking of Chantell on that beach, the scene that moment
Speaker 6: where she walks up to Clay and Nathan and she says, hey,
Speaker 6: dumb and dumber, perfect line. I don't know because I
Speaker 6: don't remember whether on the day this was just a
Speaker 6: choice I made or if it was me dealing with
Speaker 6: sunscreen in my eyes and a bright sun on a beach.
Speaker 6: But watch that moment when she says hey dumb and
Speaker 6: dummer and Clay it just sort of goes like, hey,
Speaker 6: I make the most awkward, weird, blinking face. And it
Speaker 6: was either a genius choice or just a beautiful accident.
Speaker 6: It's probably it was just a beautiful accident. But you
Speaker 6: got to watch it because it is the most sincere
Speaker 6: a guy completely losing his cool and not knowing how
Speaker 6: to behave.
Speaker 5: Yeah well, and wanting to say something funny, and then
Speaker 5: also knowing he's not supposed to flirt with this girl
Speaker 5: because his brother in law's standing there. It's like the
Speaker 5: short circuit of not knowing what to do.
Speaker 6: We would be remiss if we didn't at least take
Speaker 6: a moment to acknowledge how amazing the scene with Joy
Speaker 6: playing not one, not two, but three iconic characters from Montree.
Speaker 4: I was like, when are we getting into Red Bedroom Records?
Speaker 4: Because it's so funny.
Speaker 6: Are so funny in that scene and the way that
Speaker 6: you played Chad especially nailed both of them. But the
Speaker 6: choices you made on Chad were so funny to me,
Speaker 6: you had me cracking up.
Speaker 4: Oh good, they were so great. I was scared to
Speaker 4: do that. Why well, because I don't want hurt anybody's feelings.
Speaker 3: It's like, where's the line between a roast and like
Speaker 3: when you're making fun of someone in a way that's hurtful.
Speaker 3: And I was like, yeah, I don't want to hurt
Speaker 3: anybody's feelings, and maybe like maybe these people maybe you know,
Speaker 3: they don't know that some of these are some of
Speaker 3: their fun ticks, like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like I've got mine. Everybody's got mannerisms on camera
Speaker 4: and things.
Speaker 3: That we carry over to other jobs and or just
Speaker 3: playing as Haley or Peyton or Lucas or whatever. So yeah,
Speaker 3: but I just I went for it. It was it
Speaker 3: was scary, though, I remember being.
Speaker 6: Like, oh, and the reason why I think it wasn't
Speaker 6: it didn't seem cruel to me was I think any
Speaker 6: young male actor who has aspirations of being a leading man,
Speaker 6: especially in that time period, knows that cool guy WinCE,
Speaker 6: the cool guy voice. And let me'll tell you what,
Speaker 6: if you've ever taken a headshot, you certainly know the
Speaker 6: cool guy I wish you're watching on YouTube. Everyone's taken
Speaker 6: that headshot. Guys go to YouTube dot com to seat
Speaker 6: every headshot I've ever taken right now.
Speaker 4: Great.
Speaker 6: So when you did the hand on the back of
Speaker 6: the head, it was so there. It is every male
Speaker 6: actor knows that.
Speaker 5: I also think, like a, yes, the timeliness of it's
Speaker 5: so reflective of the era. But I think too, you
Speaker 5: were the only one who could have done it because
Speaker 5: Brooke and Peyton and Lucas had their love triangle drama.
Speaker 5: Nathan also dated Peyton, Like, Haley is literally the best
Speaker 5: friend who doesn't have personal life drama with these two people.
Speaker 5: So for her, I think she's like the one character
Speaker 5: who can lovingly make fun of those people without anyone
Speaker 5: being like, wow, she inserted that because it's like, no, yeah,
Speaker 5: it works for me because of history and because of
Speaker 5: this sort of sister vibe that Haley has with both
Speaker 5: Peyton and Lucas.
Speaker 4: I think it's just perfect.
Speaker 5: And you know, you've officiated their wedding and you really
Speaker 5: do know them so incredibly well that you can you
Speaker 5: can lovingly giggle about their ticks.
Speaker 3: I wonder how it came up in the writer's room,
Speaker 3: Like what somebody sitting there writing the scene, going what
Speaker 3: would Haley do next? Well, if Peyton and Lucas were there,
Speaker 3: she would call them huh actually yeah.
Speaker 4: And then they just wrote that in that's I think
Speaker 4: that's so funny. I never would have thought of that.
Speaker 6: It's really feel like one of those things where circumstances
Speaker 6: create a problem and the solution you end up scrambling
Speaker 6: together is better than the original. Plants like Indiana Jones
Speaker 6: and Harrison Ford had the flu and there was supposed
Speaker 6: to be the huge fight with the guy with the sword,
Speaker 6: and instead he was feeling terrible and he just went,
Speaker 6: how have I just pull out the gun and shoot him?
Speaker 6: And then went okay. And now that's the most iconic
Speaker 6: thing that that fight scene where the guy does all
Speaker 6: the sword stuff and he just stands there nonplussed and
Speaker 6: then pulls out his gun and shoots. The only reason
Speaker 6: that happened was because he had the flu on that day.
Speaker 6: He was so, how about I just shoot the guy instead?
Speaker 6: Spielberg was like, Okay.
Speaker 4: Oh that's great. I had no idea how Yeah. I
Speaker 4: love hearing those kind of stories. Yeah, that's great. I
Speaker 4: love it so cool. Yeah.
Speaker 5: The solve of not having these people anymore and missing them,
Speaker 5: like Jamie reading the birthday card from Lucas and getting
Speaker 5: the ball in seven oh one, is such a tug
Speaker 5: on the heartstrings moment, and then to get this comic
Speaker 5: relief with like, I miss my friends. I can't call them,
Speaker 5: I don't know who to ask, what to do here?
Speaker 5: And I like that Hayley goes to Peyton first, because
Speaker 5: obviously she's your business partner, and you guys run this
Speaker 5: label together, and then it's like, wait a second, I
Speaker 5: could do the same with Lucas. It's it's just so
Speaker 5: it's natural and it's so so funny. Yeah, and the
Speaker 5: whole dynamic that runs under this scary thing. And I
Speaker 5: don't know if you and Les Butler talked about this,
Speaker 5: but I was gonna ask, like, the whole dynamic under
Speaker 5: the red bedroom storyline is funny even when you come
Speaker 5: up with your big idea though, Like the way you
Speaker 5: grab your purse and you're like flailing running out of
Speaker 5: the room, like everything's funny, Like you're being very physically
Speaker 5: comedic in a stressful situation. And then when you and
Speaker 5: Kate are at it, you know, Mia comes to the rescue.
Speaker 5: You guys are really funny. You're doing a like a
Speaker 5: good cop bad cop thing together.
Speaker 4: Yeah? And was that intentional? Was the goal? Like, oh, this.
Speaker 5: Record label drama could feel like heavy and like a
Speaker 5: big fight, and we want it to feel light and
Speaker 5: funny because you're gonna win.
Speaker 3: No, I'm just a really animated person and I had to.
Speaker 3: I feel like I had to be so stiff as
Speaker 3: Hayley so often, and I was always trying to do
Speaker 3: my lucial ball stuff and Greg or whoever you know,
Speaker 3: usually Greg, but a lot of our directors would be like.
Speaker 4: Could you tone it down a little, like it just
Speaker 4: not a sitcom. I'm like, oh fine, like but I'm
Speaker 4: working buck In.
Speaker 3: So yeah, no, I think it was I was just
Speaker 3: probably feeling they also, I mean at that time and
Speaker 3: when was this two thousand and seven. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: I was like in my personal life incredibly depressed during
Speaker 3: that time, and so I but my saving grace was work,
Speaker 3: Like I would go to work and be able to
Speaker 3: just let loose.
Speaker 4: And have fun.
Speaker 3: And so I desperately needed play at that time in
Speaker 3: my life, and I think I started just taking every
Speaker 3: opportunity I could on set to just make it as
Speaker 3: fun as humanly possible for myself.
Speaker 6: So I did.
Speaker 4: That's my ever loving mind. Yeah I get that.
Speaker 5: I mean that was, by the way, like full moment
Speaker 5: of vulnerability. That was my whole experience doing my play
Speaker 5: in London, Like when you are so crushed and you
Speaker 5: realize like, oh, everything I've built my life life into
Speaker 5: I think I think was like words not actions, maybe
Speaker 5: like yeah, this is not what I thought it was
Speaker 5: going to be. That is where I think we have
Speaker 5: such a privilege as artists, because when you can go
Speaker 5: to work and be in your body and like move
Speaker 5: and process and laugh and also sometimes laughing is what
Speaker 5: helps you cry, Like art can actually be the thing
Speaker 5: that heals you or that gets you free. Yeah, and
Speaker 5: man like now that of course, I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 5: of course that tracks in like obviously, conversations we were
Speaker 5: having then about what was happening in your life, the
Speaker 5: conversations we were having last year about was hapening in
Speaker 5: my life. Like it it really can become like your
Speaker 5: only place for respite. And so I'm like, oh, of
Speaker 5: course you were managing to insert comedy into this like
Speaker 5: essentially contractual fight, you know about like someone buys your
Speaker 5: record label. That's like an arranged marriage at work. Like
Speaker 5: of course you needed a little bit of levity in
Speaker 5: those spaces. But I as if you were not even
Speaker 5: thinking about that personal life stuff. While I was watching it,
Speaker 5: I was like, God, I love the choice to make
Speaker 5: this like a funny fight instead of another SOB story
Speaker 5: fight like team Damas love to do.
Speaker 4: Thanks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks, we needed some of that, especially with all
Speaker 3: the drama coming. I'm excited to see what happens after
Speaker 3: Nathan has his big really so much tension, so many
Speaker 3: big things coming.
Speaker 5: Him Walking out there to you, I was like, oh
Speaker 5: my god, oh my god, Oh my god, oh my god,
Speaker 5: oh my god.
Speaker 4: I have to tell you something. I was like, oh
Speaker 4: my god, Yeah, like, do you remember what's coming? I don't.
Speaker 3: I mean, I know he's going to tell me everything
Speaker 3: that I wasn't there for in the episode, but well, yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 6: Wow, I don't either. Honestly, It's fun and I like
Speaker 6: it that way because I get to experienced this like
Speaker 6: a first time viewer, where I'm just I'm I'm on
Speaker 6: board for the ride. Do we want to do some
Speaker 6: honorable mentions? Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and just just
Speaker 6: jump right in here. Because Denzel and Macaulay for the
Speaker 6: walkie talkie handles between Jamie and Skills delighted.
Speaker 4: Me me too.
Speaker 6: That whole scene I could have I could have also
Speaker 6: done with thirty more minutes of Alison and Antoine and
Speaker 6: Jackson in the car. That was. I mean the fact
Speaker 6: that little Jamie's playing therapist to Antoine before Miss Lauren
Speaker 6: gets in the car, and then the fun of leaving
Speaker 6: them at the beach. But then the walkie talkie handles
Speaker 6: man that that was perfect.
Speaker 3: I can't believe they had to sit there and get
Speaker 3: buried in the sand to do that scene. I really
Speaker 3: hope they weren't there for a long time. I should
Speaker 3: call Alison an asker.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, I was thinking that too, Like, how
Speaker 5: long did they have to be under the sand?
Speaker 4: That's not a beach day.
Speaker 6: I want Did they have to bury their stand ins
Speaker 6: first to get all the lighting right?
Speaker 4: Oh my god, they I'm sure they did.
Speaker 5: I would imagine they dug the pit and then just
Speaker 5: had the stand and sit.
Speaker 6: In, yeah, the empty pits.
Speaker 5: And then put Alison and Antoine in and put the
Speaker 5: sand over that.
Speaker 6: That makes sense.
Speaker 3: So my honorable mention goes to every girl on the
Speaker 3: show that doesn't have straight hair having exactly the same hairdoo.
Speaker 3: Every curly haired girl had exactly the same hair you actually,
Speaker 3: so if your hair in the first scene with Austin,
Speaker 3: like the first half of the show was not the same.
Speaker 3: It was like this really lovely beachy wave, but you
Speaker 3: still had the bangs we had. They were like side bangs, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I loved that on you. But yeah, me Kate
Speaker 3: India's was straight, but it was still the same cut. Chantelle,
Speaker 3: same straight but same cut, and then Millie and then
Speaker 3: you occasionally with the bangs in the curly hair, but
Speaker 3: it was mostly you were doing your own thing. But yeah,
Speaker 3: so many same Especially when Kate and I were standing
Speaker 3: next to each other in the red bedroom, I was like,
Speaker 3: what what happened? We just both went to the same
Speaker 3: hair salon before we came. It was this was a
Speaker 3: rough season for hair for me. But uh, yeah, that's
Speaker 3: my honorable mention.
Speaker 4: Just everybody gets the same hair too today.
Speaker 5: Oh my goodness, I feel like I have forty honorable
Speaker 5: mentions in this episode.
Speaker 4: Yeah, give us a real one them all. I'm joking,
Speaker 4: but yes, I'm like, we and here we go.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think all I'll go with Daniel. Like just
Speaker 5: the mic drop coming out Rachel as Dan's wife and
Speaker 5: being so in her power and like so obviously in control.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I'm here for this. I can't
Speaker 4: wait for more. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Also that that's what she said entire scene.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes to all of it.
Speaker 4: Should we spind a wheel? Bum bum bum bum bum
Speaker 4: bum bum? Most likely to become a vegan? This is
Speaker 4: a bummer of a wheel question this week.
Speaker 6: I mean it's not me, um me yeah, maybe Whitey,
Speaker 6: you know, maybe just cause she's getting a little bit
Speaker 6: later in life and he wants to dis increase that
Speaker 6: longevity and he thinks I'm just gonna go ahead and
Speaker 6: be a vegan. So that works out.
Speaker 4: We'll take it. I love that answer. All right, great, Whitey,
Speaker 4: it is. What do we have next week?
Speaker 6: I'd love to tell you we have next week? So? Uh,
Speaker 6: Season seven, episode three, hold my hand as I'm lowered.
Speaker 6: Oh raises more questions than answers. Gotta watch.
Speaker 4: Sounds a little morbid, but okay, here we go, Here
Speaker 4: we go, Bie, everybody see you next week. Bye, hey,
Speaker 4: thanks for listening.
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