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Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me.

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Speaker 2: All about that high school drama, Girl Drama girl, all

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Speaker 2: about them high school queens. We'll take you for a ride,

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Speaker 2: and our comic girl sharing for the right teams Drama,

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Speaker 2: Queens up Girl Fashion, but your tough girl, you could

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Speaker 2: sit with us.

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Speaker 1: Girl Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama Drama, Queens Drama, Queens.

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Speaker 3: Hey Friends, Episode seven oh two, Season seven, Episode two,

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Speaker 3: What are You Willing to Lose? Air date September twenty first,

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Speaker 3: two thousand and nine. You have me and Sophia and Rob.

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Speaker 4: Hello darlings, Hello friends, Hey friends, you have a redheaded Sophia.

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Speaker 5: I am hello, Thank you. It's been so fun. I

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Speaker 5: wanted to do it in advance of this movie I'm

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Speaker 5: about to start and make sure I liked it, you know,

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Speaker 5: I didn't want to do it like the week before

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Speaker 5: and be stuck.

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Speaker 4: And it's really fun. Yeah, it suits you, It's great.

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Speaker 5: That's what I'm realizing is weird. I'm like, oh, was

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Speaker 5: I always supposed to do this?

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Speaker 4: Because so many.

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Speaker 5: People have been like wow, And then I've been running

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Speaker 5: into people that it takes fifteen minutes to be like,

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Speaker 5: why do you look different. Your skin looks nice, and

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Speaker 5: I'm like, maybe because my hair is bright red. I

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Speaker 5: don't know, but people aren't even noticing, and I'm realizing

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Speaker 5: it just looks I don't exactly.

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Speaker 4: The right red is hard to get right. Yeah, you

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Speaker 4: got to get the right shade.

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Speaker 6: It's like five minutes too long in the chair and

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Speaker 6: you go from runway to comic con.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, one hundred books.

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Speaker 4: Who wants to read the synopsis?

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Speaker 5: I'll read it because I would really like to ask,

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Speaker 5: or I guess not ask. I would just like to

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Speaker 5: throw my thoughts in the ring that it was a

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Speaker 5: real travesty to not name this episode. Hopped up on Goofballs.

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Speaker 5: Austin saying that out loud in the beginning of the

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Speaker 5: episode literally made me split water everywhere.

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Speaker 4: So that's just my first thought.

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Speaker 5: But since the episode is sadly named what are You

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Speaker 5: Willing to Lose, I'll tell you what it's about. While

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Speaker 5: in the process of recording her new album, Haley battles

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Speaker 5: to protect Red Bedroom Records with the help of Mia,

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Speaker 5: Brook casts the new face of her clothing line, and

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Speaker 5: Clay defends Nathan against a growing scandal. Julian and Brooke

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Speaker 5: decide to move in together while Dan unveils his new bride.

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Speaker 5: Unles Butler directed this who was always so lovely?

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Speaker 4: And what an episode is this?

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Speaker 6: The less who is also one of our editors.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, correct, I remember, look at you? You do

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Speaker 4: remember stuff.

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Speaker 6: I remember a few things. I didn't remember much of

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Speaker 6: this episode. And before we even get into it, I

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Speaker 6: want to say, last week we talked about you're saying,

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Speaker 6: did I understand why the show worked? Did it make sense?

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Speaker 6: And I said, oh, yeah, I completely get it was

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Speaker 6: And I realized watching this episode. One thing that this

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Speaker 6: show does incredibly well is it produces so many memorable

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Speaker 6: quotable moments. Oh yeah, this is this show is perfect

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Speaker 6: fodder for water cooler talk or you know, or like

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Speaker 6: it's like conversational click. But there are so many scenes

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Speaker 6: where there's just a line or a moment where I

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Speaker 6: was like, oh, I can't wait for us to get

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Speaker 6: into this. Oh I can't wait to quote that line.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: In addition to a great storytelling, there's just so many

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Speaker 6: hits throughout the way that are fun to share.

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Speaker 5: And you know, yeah, great signers did hopped upon Goofballs.

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Speaker 5: Make it on your list of one hit wonders for

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Speaker 5: this episode as well.

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Speaker 6: It is my favorite way to describe addiction is hopped

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Speaker 6: up on Goofballs. If Disney had to make a movie

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Speaker 6: about addiction, the tagline might include she was hopped up

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Speaker 6: on goofballs in the four Know that and also I

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, it's so I have that one do.

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Speaker 4: That whole scene was fantastic. Well, let's talk about Alex.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is this, uh, this is the introduction

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Speaker 4: So if you've already got your mouth up and go.

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Speaker 5: I'm just so excited that she's finally here. Janna is

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Speaker 5: Speaks to Janna's boldness as an artist. And I also

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Speaker 5: just love her. She is so frickin funny. Her and

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Speaker 5: Milicent and Alex show. I just like they There were

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Speaker 5: so many good things happening in this episode with those

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Speaker 4: We missed it.

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Speaker 3: We missed I needed a whole episode or a movie

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Speaker 3: of just Alex and Millie in the car. The plane

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Speaker 3: gets like gets canceled, they have to drive from New

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Speaker 3: to see. I was robbed.

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Speaker 6: I didn't remember that we initially met her through that

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Speaker 4: What are we doing?

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Speaker 6: But what a clever device that they circled back to

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Speaker 5: Yes, And I was so excited that I didn't remember that.

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Speaker 5: That's how Brooke got obsessed with Alex, because when the

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Speaker 5: and I had no idea, and I went, oh, you.

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Speaker 4: Didn't remember when she name the whole speech about the dress.

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Speaker 6: I know.

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Speaker 5: I had a full out loud gas at the end

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Speaker 5: when Brooke and Julian are watching Alex's movie and they

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Speaker 5: was like, Oh my god, that conniving little shit, and

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Speaker 5: I was so happy because to your point, Rob, I

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Speaker 5: was like, God, they really circled back around in such

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Speaker 3: I had just seen The Friends a few weeks ago.

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Speaker 3: I watched the Friends episode where it's the one that

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Speaker 3: could have been and Rachel is married to Barry and

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Speaker 3: There was something about the way she was reading when

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Speaker 5: I was half expecting her also to do it and

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Speaker 3: I want to see you walk in there and stare

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Speaker 6: I was so glad that they came back to that

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Speaker 6: It was a nice way to sort of cap.

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Speaker 5: That exactly because you're watching it, going, why is this

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Speaker 4: In Spanish and she goes out blah blah, blah serves.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I would like lots of beer, and she's like, yes,

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Speaker 6: Well, I did sort of bump on was that enough?

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Speaker 6: over shared in a big, vulnerable way, and it kind

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Speaker 6: that moment, having to go okay, yeah, okay, okay, like

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Speaker 6: it didn't feel like it was the right time, Like

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Speaker 6: she didn't just give you a lazy excuse and you

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Speaker 6: could have gone, hey, this isn't working.

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Speaker 4: You know, somebody's breaking down in tears in front of you,

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Speaker 4: what are you gonna do?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and talking about how they have nothing left because

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Speaker 5: of their struggles with addiction, and you're just.

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Speaker 4: Like, it's horrible. I'm so sorry. It is a disease.

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Speaker 5: It's not a choice, you know, Like I love the

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Speaker 5: I love that to your point, like she hits Brooke

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Speaker 5: it like she tugs every single one of those hard strings,

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Speaker 5: and it's just like please, It's like, what am I

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Speaker 6: Going back to the start of the episode, did anyone

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Speaker 6: else feel like the beach scene with Clay and Nathan

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Speaker 6: look like a failed screen test for Twilight. Yes, it

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Speaker 4: It was great. That was so juicy.

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Speaker 5: What made me laugh about it is that clearly you

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Speaker 5: It's like a whole different window into one of our

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Speaker 4: And I love that he and you were like, everyone's

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Speaker 3: I was really surprised when Nathan stormed in after this woman. Yes,

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Speaker 4: That sells it for me.

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Speaker 5: The biggest Okay, it is the biggest shock. And here's

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Speaker 4: I I did.

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Speaker 5: Not remember that this was how it happened. I didn't

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Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god, Oh my god.

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Speaker 4: I don't want a spoiler for the New Friends here.

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Speaker 5: I remember a scene that happens, and this is not

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Speaker 3: I just was whatever stopped by, but I do remembered it.

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Speaker 4: And because the whole lead up is him saying things

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Speaker 4: They got they got back together. Yea, So it's a

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Speaker 5: tease her about it relentlessly, like all these things that

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00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 5: he's saying, and you're going.

440
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 4: Is dep Scott about to like walk out.

441
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 5: Like looking like a whole snack on this stage.

442
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 4: And then it's Rachel and what I love. It's so funny.

443
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:09,199
Speaker 5: Now, like Denil is such a power producer. She is

444
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 5: so smart about the way she works and the shows

445
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 5: that her and her husband make and everything that they

446
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:18,679
Speaker 5: do together, and it was so funny to see the

447
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 5: foreshadowing of that. But inside the Rachel character, like this

448
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,439
Speaker 5: woman who's having such a good time being married to

449
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 5: this rich guy and like giving him all the instructions

450
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,239
Speaker 5: and she's put his whole life back together and you know,

451
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,360
Speaker 5: she's creating the buzz online and.

452
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:32,879
Speaker 4: All the things.

453
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 5: And I was like, oh my god, this is such

454
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,359
Speaker 5: a trip because it's like it's like I'm seeing the

455
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 5: sinister twin sister.

456
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 4: Of my friend. But now, that's what I.

457
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 3: Thought was so interesting about watching Dan and Rachel was

458
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 3: that he consistently, even throughout the end of the episode,

459
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,919
Speaker 3: going on his own to sit down next to his

460
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,919
Speaker 3: new homeless friend and you know, have a beer without

461
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 3: cameras around, without his his wife and the entourage or whatever.

462
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 3: He's consistent in his appearance to be at least attempting

463
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 3: to redeem his life, and Rachel is clearly running the

464
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 3: show she's running everything, which is since when does Dan

465
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 3: the Mastermind decide to just turn over everything to somebody

466
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 3: else to run it? It's so interesting, most interesting thing

467
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 3: of the whole season, I'm sure.

468
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

469
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 5: Well, and what I love too is again I feel

470
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 5: like there was a little foreshadowing even us like going

471
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 5: down the rabbit hole of what a big concept forgiveness

472
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 5: is last week? Yeah about Dan, Like Dan's vibe in

473
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 5: this episode, like he feels like a full cult leader,

474
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,199
Speaker 5: like do you think like this charming man is like

475
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 5: I have the way and come with me and redemption

476
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 5: is possible for you. And I was like, oh my god,

477
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 5: did we like sort of know how? Again down the

478
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 5: rabbit hole this storyline was going to go like were

479
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 5: we like having some sort of I don't want to

480
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,120
Speaker 5: say premonition, but you know what I mean, like sense

481
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 5: of foreboding.

482
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 4: It's so.

483
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 5: It is so big and and for me that that

484
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 5: sort of mentality of like this man who wants to

485
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 5: be a leader and have these followers on TV.

486
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 4: Like even Dan's dialogue Toes the.

487
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 5: Line right He's like, well, I don't know about God,

488
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 5: but like you can read this book about me, Like

489
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,959
Speaker 5: if there's all this stuff that I'm like, wait, this

490
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 5: is so funny and actually so weirdly familiar that it

491
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,640
Speaker 5: leads to a bit of unsettling because you go, oh,

492
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 5: is he different or or is he really leaning into

493
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 5: this thing and letting her take the reins so he

494
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:49,439
Speaker 5: can have power.

495
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 4: I don't know it.

496
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 5: It spun me out a little bit in like a

497
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 5: good fun mystery way.

498
00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 6: Well, the I thought the scene after the show is

499
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 6: wrapped and they've called cut was so great because first

500
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 6: it introduced the dynamic of she. He is so soft

501
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 6: and sensitive and loving and she is one hundred percent

502
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 6: business and calculated. Yeah. But the other interesting to your point,

503
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 6: so is that his his whole tone and his cadence

504
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 6: and his delivery of all of his stuff when he's

505
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 6: on camera that is very cult leaderish. He kind of

506
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 6: carries over into this moment with Rachel. He's still talking

507
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 6: at that same and so it would be different if

508
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 6: he sort of dropped back into normal Dan Scott, because

509
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 6: then you know, that's what you would expect it's a show.

510
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 6: But because he stays in that pocket, it kind of

511
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 6: makes you question whether, Okay, is this is this the

512
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 6: new version of him?

513
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 4: Yeah?

514
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 6: Because he's being loving, but it's that it's that same

515
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 6: sort of like, oh, this still has that weird feel

516
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 6: to it.

517
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, because there's there's still a dynamic about appearance at play,

518
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 5: but now it's between the two of them, and it

519
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 5: does make you rewind, like we were talking about last

520
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 5: week to you know, he is he's opening what we

521
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 5: now know in this episode to be his talk show

522
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 5: last week, and he's talking about how he was supposed

523
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 5: to be dead by now and it's given him this

524
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 5: whole new lease on life and it made him see

525
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 5: everything differently, and you're like, is it true or is

526
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 5: it marketing?

527
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 4: Oh, it's all good and juicy. I think he really

528
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 4: believes it.

529
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 5: I think Paul certainly commits that Dan believes it as

530
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 5: a performer, and I'm just so curious to see where

531
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 5: it goes because again I don't really remember.

532
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's genuinely trying to work his way

533
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 3: out of his own personal health. But the problem is

534
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 3: that's his whole life has just been deluding him, one

535
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 3: delusion after another, one self deception after another to try

536
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 3: and make himself feel better about all the things he's done,

537
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 3: which yeah, is the mark of a cult leader and

538
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 3: someone who's trying to be in charge of running a

539
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 3: bunch of people because he feels like I've found the answers,

540
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,959
Speaker 3: and even in his delusion, I've got the answers.

541
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 4: I know how to fix this. I know how to

542
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 4: fix you, if only I can fix all these other people.

543
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:25,360
Speaker 4: It's still the same thing.

544
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 3: It's still self focus, right Like in his other life,

545
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 3: right his other before he didn't die, he was trying

546
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 3: to just he was like consuming, eat, eat, like eat

547
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 3: all the things that he wants, And now he's trying

548
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 3: to do the exact same thing, fill himself up by

549
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 3: sucking the life out of other people, by trying to

550
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 3: make them like, if I can make your life better,

551
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 3: then that gives my life value.

552
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 4: It's so wild.

553
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, even the scene with when he goes outside and

554
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 6: he sees that there's the gentleman experiencing homelessness and he

555
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 6: walks over to him. It was funny because I laughed, going,

556
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 6: this is a real mixed bag because on one hand,

557
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 6: he's taking a moment and he's acknowledging this person as

558
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 6: a human being and he's asking him. On the other hand,

559
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 6: he offers his autographed book and not a sandwich. He

560
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 6: assumes the guy's going to sell the book for booze,

561
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 6: oh god, and then and then and then it's a

562
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 6: joy's point. It's not the Bible, but here's me, So

563
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 6: it's sort of It was like they had the trappings

564
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 6: of a sweet moment with completely botched delivery.

565
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it works for me.

566
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 5: I love it as much as it made me cringe

567
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 5: to watch it because it helps this dynamic of is

568
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 5: Dan different or is Dan exactly the same? I don't know,

569
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 5: and I can't wait to find out, Like it builds

570
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,959
Speaker 5: the tension for me as a viewer. You know, do

571
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 5: I still love to hate this guy? Or am I

572
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 5: going to wind up loving this guy?

573
00:28:59,040 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 4: Like I don't? I don't.

574
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 3: That's the insidiousness about people who are so self delusional

575
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 3: too though they think that they've got they've figured it out.

576
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 3: And often people in that situation, like a cult leader,

577
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 3: they will take something that looks it looks true, like

578
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 3: it looks like everything else that you've seen that's true,

579
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 3: and you're like, yeah, I resonate with that. There's one

580
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 3: little thing that's off, Like you're handing me your book

581
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 3: that's signed. You're handing me this autographed book instead of

582
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 3: a sandwich, as you say, but there's so much about

583
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 3: it that feels good or feels familiar. You're like, oh,

584
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 3: I guess maybe maybe it's the same thing. Sure, And

585
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 3: it's hard to notice those things.

586
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, You're like, maybe he's using cringey terms because

587
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 5: he's like kind of a boomer and doesn't know.

588
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 4: But maybe his intentions are good.

589
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 6: And it kind of makes it that much more believable though,

590
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 6: because he isn't a new person. He's still Dan Scott,

591
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 6: and even if this is all in earnest, he wouldn't

592
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 6: suddenly know, he wouldn't have this new shorthand with how

593
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 6: to communicate with people in a brand new way. So

594
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 6: it is very very believable. Yeah, but it is funny

595
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 6: that he he's like, hey, tell me about yourself and

596
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 6: then immediately is like, enough of you. I'm sure you

597
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 6: want to drink booze read my book that I'm going

598
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 6: to sign here. I believe me signing my name is

599
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 6: going to make it more valid. It was just like

600
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 6: it was so weird, you know what.

601
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 5: It really reminded me in the moment, I just wrote

602
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 5: the one word down, but now it's like bringing back

603
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 5: so many memories of watching Did you guys watch the

604
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 5: docu series on Nexiam, Yes, Oh my god, it's so

605
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 5: incredible and like all of these women wound up in

606
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 5: this horrific situation based on like the initial idea was,

607
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 5: We're going to sort a women's empowerment group for you ladies. Yeah,

608
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 5: and it's so dark and like watching all these old

609
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 5: videos of that guy Keith Ranieri, I was like, we

610
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 5: there's something really again. I think smart on the part

611
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 5: of the writers because I feel like they looked to

612
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 5: examples of people like that for this version of Dan

613
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 5: where you're like, is he funny fix people kind of

614
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 5: on TV Doctor Phil or is he like scary cult guy?

615
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 4: And I don't know.

616
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 5: And in the beginning of a seventh season of a

617
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 5: TV show, when someone like Dan Scott is such an

618
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 5: iconic character and you feel like you know everything about

619
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 5: him and his inner workings, to have him feel brand

620
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 5: new and newly dangerous, Like, honestly, it's such a hats

621
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 5: off for me to the writers because I'm like, you

622
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 5: guys managed to thread and needle here, and like, to

623
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,719
Speaker 5: be clear, we don't always do that so well on

624
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 5: our show.

625
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 4: Like sometimes we watch episodes and.

626
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 5: We're like, wow, that scene was really embarrassing. This arc

627
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 5: for me was terrible for three episodes because they just

628
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 5: needed me to get from point A to point B

629
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 5: and they had nothing in between. So I'm like a

630
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 5: dancing puppet, like we we can absolutely make fun of

631
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 5: ourselves in the writing.

632
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 4: That wasn't good. But when it's this good, I'm like,

633
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 4: oil guys.

634
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 5: Okay, Coller, yeah, Dollar, I'm very impited.

635
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 4: Tap in before. That's the thing, man, all these cult leaders,

636
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 4: it's like they work.

637
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 5: Out of the There's been so many like for decades,

638
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 5: but that's how they get people.

639
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 4: I mean, I've been working on my you know, six months. Dinner.

640
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 3: This is also the whole thing about sucking. That's why

641
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 3: I call it dinner for vampires, because you're like sucking

642
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 3: the life out of people around you. And that's what

643
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 3: these guys do. Like the Keith ranary. You got to

644
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 3: watch this documentary Robins.

645
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 4: We'll talk about it's so good.

646
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 3: That gets you because it's like a oh yeah, women's

647
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 3: empowerment or like let's start a Bible study or let's

648
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 3: start a you know whatever. Come come see a talk,

649
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 3: like a Ted talk kind of thing, and there's so

650
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 3: much of it that seems reasonable. It's just it's like

651
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 3: it's such a slow burn.

652
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 4: It's like a copy of a Ted talk but it's

653
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 4: a lit something's.

654
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 5: A little off and you don't know what, And like

655
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 5: that's what I think is so interesting, is even in

656
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 5: them choosing to use this talk show format for Dan Scott,

657
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 5: Like we've all gotten great things out of those sorts

658
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 5: of shows, and particularly in that era. Like when I

659
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 5: was a little kid, I used to literally bargain with

660
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 5: my mom that if I was getting straight a's, would

661
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 5: you please pick me up at two forty five from

662
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 5: school even though the bell doesn't ring till three, because

663
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 5: if you pick me up at two forty five, I

664
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 5: can be on my butt in the den to watch

665
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 5: Oprah and she starts at three. And my mom was like,

666
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 5: you're nine, I'm not bargaining with you over your education,

667
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 5: and why do you want to come home and watch

668
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 5: Oprah so bad?

669
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 4: Like I feel so shaped by that show. And so

670
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 4: there really is.

671
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 5: Something I think about leaning into that space where you're like, yeah,

672
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 5: this feels familiar but a little off.

673
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, And where are the blind spots where people are

674
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 3: like willing to make concessions and they're all, yeah, because

675
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 3: it's filling a hole in some way, and.

676
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 4: He's tapped in. Dan Scott's figured it out well.

677
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 5: And by the way, it's a exactly what works with

678
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 5: Alex and Brooke.

679
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, Brooke doesn't know yet.

680
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 5: That that speech is familiar and a little off because

681
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 5: it's actually a dialogue from a movie. But like we

682
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 5: all picked up on it and we were like, wait,

683
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 5: it's like a good apology, but also it feels weird.

684
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 5: It's a truism that like is mirrored in the episode

685
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 5: over and over again, and I love it. Like I

686
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 5: even feel it in the Stuff with You Joy between

687
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 5: Haley and Quinn when you're like, but what happened and

688
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 5: she's like, it just changed. It just changed because you

689
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 5: know there's more to this story.

690
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was such a lame answer that she gave me.

691
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you can tell from her performance that like

692
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 5: there's something under there. Yeah, and it makes you go,

693
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 5: I think I'm supposed to know more.

694
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're not really like that it, so we'll

695
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 3: move on. But yeah, yeah, that was not a satisfactory answer.

696
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 3: I literally have that in my notes Marriage Falling Apart,

697
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 3: Open Mic Night's story is lame.

698
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 4: Oh my god.

699
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 5: Wait, I was gonna be like, Okay, so you hated

700
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 5: that he just changed? Answer did getting to the point

701
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 5: where he didn't want to like live the life they'd

702
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 5: lived together together anymore?

703
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 4: Like did that help you? And you're like, lame.

704
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 3: I understand, of course, I understand the concept of someone

705
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 3: changing and kind of becoming a totally different part. You're like,

706
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 3: this isn't who I married, this is not what I expected.

707
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 3: And there's varying degrees of That's. Hey, there's varying degrees

708
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 3: of that where some are acceptable and move forward together

709
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 3: a bowl, and there are others that are not.

710
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 4: And I understand all that. That's it's complicated.

711
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 3: But he's not the same person anymore. He just changed.

712
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 3: I didn't change. He changed. I went to an open

713
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 3: mic night and I didn't want him to be there

714
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 3: with me.

715
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 4: I was like, no, tell me what happened.

716
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, But maybe maybe Haley gets that out of her later,

717
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,919
Speaker 3: because it's just too it's too vague to just say

718
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 3: someone changed. And I didn't know if the writers were

719
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 3: being lazy or if it was like we had, they

720
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 3: had six drafts of it and they had to make

721
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 3: a decision on one and nobody could decide and somebody

722
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 3: wasn't available over a weekend, and who knows, the line

723
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 3: just got written as it was. I don't know, but

724
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 3: it was unsatisfactory to me.

725
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 5: It almost feels like they knew they wanted there to

726
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 5: be something, but they hadn't figured out what the something was,

727
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 5: so they were just smooting to a mystery something.

728
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

729
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 6: Maybe maybe Yeah, because it leaves it, it cracks the

730
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,720
Speaker 6: door wide open. I mean, it can't be more vague

731
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 6: than I did. Like her line where I think you

732
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 6: say to her joy, you say, people have the right

733
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 6: to change, and she says, yeah, but people also have

734
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 6: the right to stay the same.

735
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was my favorite too, which.

736
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 6: I love that. I love that line, but it is

737
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 6: it's it's so wildly vague that it kind of does

738
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 6: it paints them into no corners now. Yeah, so it

739
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 6: kind of bought them time to see like how your

740
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 6: guys's chemistry was going to be and how everything went

741
00:36:58,400 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 6: to sort of maybe they can make it better in

742
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 6: form decision three episodes down the line.

743
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe that's it. I hope we do find out more.

744
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 4: I do too.

745
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 5: I do too, but I will say I I did

746
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:16,479
Speaker 5: appreciate that that was the nugget for me, because yes,

747
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 5: of course, you imagine, like when you set out to say,

748
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 5: I want to try to be with this person, you know, forever,

749
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 5: like all these dream scenarios we've talked about for our future,

750
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 5: like I want to work to make those true, and

751
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 5: sometimes they're just not sometimes like the words can't be

752
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 5: translated into action, and how do you know when to

753
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 5: call it? And how do you know when to choose yourself?

754
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 5: And what I got, you know, from Chantell's performance, which

755
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 5: I thought was so it was beautiful to watch, even

756
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 5: though I think the writers did a disservice with this

757
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 5: really ambiguous scene they gave the two of you, because

758
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 5: you're both great actors, and like you could have told

759
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 5: us story instead of you know, done the weird alluding

760
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 5: to something thing.

761
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 4: But I could feel.

762
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 5: The like pain of we made these plans together, we

763
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 5: committed to a life together, and he doesn't.

764
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 4: Want it anymore. Yeah, And.

765
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 5: How hard it can be to say, like I'm so

766
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 5: miserable I realize I don't miss someone. Yeah, Like I

767
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 5: think we've all felt that in our own way, you know, offscreen,

768
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 5: even on like early in our show Brooks says it

769
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 5: to Lucas, She's like, you never missed me, and I

770
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 5: stopped missing you. And I think there's something so true

771
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 5: about when someone's not willing to make an effort for you.

772
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:45,760
Speaker 5: How long are you supposed to wait?

773
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 4: Is it a year? Is it four years? Is it

774
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:49,240
Speaker 4: ten years?

775
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 5: How long do you wait for them to care enough

776
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 5: to care about you? And it it? Even though it

777
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 5: was ambiguous. I almost wonder if it makes it feel

778
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 5: relatable for everyone because you're like, oh, I don't know

779
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 5: what she's talking about, but I know what she's talking about.

780
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 5: I'd be really curious for audience feedback on that.

781
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 6: M It makes it that much more accessible the broader

782
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 6: you keep it.

783
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know.

784
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 7: I don't know.

785
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 6: But also, you know, though, it's kind of a sneaky

786
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 6: tool because it invites speculation and back then when the

787
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 6: messageboards were going crazy and fan theories were going crazy, Yeah,

788
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 6: that's pretty juicy bait to put out there to then

789
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 6: let the fans run with and theorize before you answer

790
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 6: it in three episodes.

791
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 4: If indeed they answer it, I hope they answer it.

792
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 3: Yes, If they don't, I think people are smart and

793
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 3: telling someone your own story that is in the same

794
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 3: vein is somehow similar to their story is valuable, Like

795
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 3: people could hear some sort of specific ideas and go like, okay, well,

796
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 3: in my own circumstance, it wasn't exactly that, but I

797
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 3: still feel all those same things, which I think sometimes

798
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 3: can be more valuable than just a broad statement, because

799
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 3: then it's like, well, but how like, I don't do

800
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 3: you actually understand how I feel? But all of this

801
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 3: is moot if they don't actually answer the question.

802
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 4: I think they will. I know. David comes in because

803
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 4: it was Alison who plays Miss Lauren's husband in real life. Yeah,

804
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 4: I was so happy to have him. It was so

805
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 4: fun when Scott got cast.

806
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, how wonderful is Gregory Harrison Julian's dead Paul?

807
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I love that man.

808
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 6: Another funny moment. So I had just done a series

809
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 6: with Gregory for two years and loved him. I had

810
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 6: completely forgotten he was on the show until I start

811
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 6: watching these and he's so good and their stuff is

812
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:09,720
Speaker 6: so wonderful. The thing I laughed at well first before

813
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 6: that scene was the way Brooke is suggesting, the way

814
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 6: she's commenting on the positioning in the location of the

815
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 6: poster as a guy with no fashion sense or an

816
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 6: eye for decor, and I have a wife who has

817
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 6: a wonderful eye for decor. I felt that conversation on a

818
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 6: very deep, relatable level. But the one thing about the

819
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 6: scene with Julian and Paul was that awkward blocking alert

820
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 6: where Julian is standing right next to the front door

821
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 6: and Paul sort of standing in the middle, and he goes, Dad,

822
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 6: I think you should leave, and rather than opening the

823
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:48,439
Speaker 6: door for him, he takes five false steps for five

824
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 6: steps away from it and kind of stops and waits

825
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 6: so that they can have that shot of Paul talking

826
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 6: over his shoulder. And I just went, buddy, you had

827
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 6: him standing next to the door. Yeah, no adult would

828
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 6: go I think you should leave. I'm going to walk

829
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 6: to the other sideway. You know. It was just, yeah,

830
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 6: I felt like I felt I felt as an actor, going, oh,

831
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 6: this is one of those moments where you're.

832
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 4: Like, please don't make me do this.

833
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 6: Yeah, can we not? Can we skip that? Yeah?

834
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 3: They were trying to make lunch. They were just like,

835
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 3: come on, let's They were like, now.

836
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 5: You walk in and then it's going to be your

837
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 5: close up.

838
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 4: That poster was so random to me.

839
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 3: I understand what they were high to do, but it

840
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 3: hung so high, so high, I appreciated that they length

841
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 3: leaned into the awkwardness of it. Yeah, because it did

842
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 3: look really strange, just random generic leaf pattern wallpaper with

843
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 3: a thin red line poster on it, like it was

844
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 3: he not decorating the rest of the house.

845
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 4: But fine, I get it. It just felt a little clunky.

846
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, I will say I really again, Like, don't get

847
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 5: me wrong, I love the love stories on our show.

848
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 4: You know, that's what we're here for.

849
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 5: Like, we wouldn't do all that, we wouldn't have done

850
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 5: any of the dumb shit all of us have done

851
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 5: in our lives if we weren't here for the love part.

852
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 5: But I love seeing these relationships between Nathan and Clay,

853
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 5: between Julian and Paul. And I was so taken by

854
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 5: Austin's performances because when you think they're going to have

855
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 5: this conversation where he's like, I'm sorry, I hung a

856
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 5: poster in the middle of your living room and he

857
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 5: tells this story about this day with his dad, it's

858
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 5: so I can see all the emotion right under his eyes,

859
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 5: right beneath his chest, like it's so alive for him

860
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 5: and what I wanted to like high five him through

861
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 5: the TV when we were watching the terrible way they

862
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 5: made them block that scene because he used awkward blocking

863
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 5: to give himself a moment to turn. And I'm telling you, guys,

864
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 5: like when I saw him turn away from camera and

865
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 5: turn back to Gregory, I was like, oh my god,

866
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 5: he looks like a five year old boy, Like he

867
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 5: looks like a little boy trying to talk to his dad.

868
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 5: And it for these new characters in the same way

869
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 5: I feel with Nathan and Clay. I feel like I

870
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 5: got all their history in two scenes with Julian and

871
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 5: Brook and then Julian and Paul.

872
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I have all of it.

873
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 5: I understand Paul as deeply as I understand Victoria, and

874
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 5: I loved feeling like those men showed up for this

875
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 5: like intimacy and this and no one was afraid to

876
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 5: be revealing. And even Gregory, he's such a beautiful actor.

877
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 5: When he's apologizing and he admits he doesn't remember the day,

878
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 5: I was like.

879
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I want to sob. I really loved it.

880
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 6: That your speech to him was such a such a

881
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 6: great portrayal of just an act of love, of caring

882
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 6: for someone and being someone's protector. You know, it was

883
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 6: it was such a nice moment. And then when he

884
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 6: circles back with with Julian, you know, my note was, Oh,

885
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,280
Speaker 6: parents in real life could have such profound and quick

886
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 6: adjustments like it was. It was such a wonderfully I'm

887
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 6: sure every therapist would love that that was the case

888
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 6: because they were so much more successful. But it was.

889
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 6: It was so quick and so meaningful, which made for

890
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 6: a great payoff. It was like, oh, if only, if only,

891
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 6: this is sort of the way it went most of

892
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 6: the time.

893
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I was thinking that too watching it. How

894
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 3: incredibly I mean, even conversations with my dad, who I'm

895
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 3: close with, talking about I'm sorry that I did this,

896
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 3: or I'm sorry that I didn't show up in this way.

897
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 4: I'm sorry.

898
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 3: I mean, it's so uncomfortable and we're both like trying

899
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 3: not to cry. We're like, we're cool, it's fine, it's fine.

900
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 6: It's fine.

901
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know that stuff is really hard to

902
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 3: talk about, you, I mean, for me and my parents.

903
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe yeah, maybe it's not for everybody,

904
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,760
Speaker 3: but I wanted to see more emotion At the beginning,

905
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 3: I was like, how is he just so easily saying

906
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 3: these lines like I'm sorry that I paid more attention

907
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 3: to fictional characters than I did to you. And I

908
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 3: was like, ma'am, that doesn't that's not hard to say. Gosh.

909
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 3: But then when he looks at the poster and he

910
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 3: realizes he doesn't remember the day, it went from this

911
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 3: sort of I'm going to be an adult and I'm

912
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 3: going to be diplomatic and I'm an executive and I

913
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 3: can apologize when I'm wrong, and I'm just going to

914
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 3: say I'm sorry to my son, to oh, I've actually

915
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 3: been a pretty terrible father in this way. Yeah, And

916
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 3: it's like it didn't hit him until he really looked

917
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 3: at the poster and realized that the most meaningful day

918
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 3: to my son I literally do not remember. Then you

919
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 3: saw it, that the vulnerability in his whole face, it

920
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 3: was great. I thought it was really beautifully done.

921
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 6: That line. I think the acknowledgment that he doesn't remember

922
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 6: the day is where he earns that whole speech. Yeah,

923
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 6: because that's because he didn't need to say that. He

924
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 6: could have said nothing, and Julian probably would have hoped

925
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 6: slash believed that his dad remembered it the same way

926
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 6: that he did, but being vulnerable and sort of exposing

927
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 6: the fact that he doesn't even remember it. It's like, Okay,

928
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 6: you're You're not worried about how you're going to look

929
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 6: right now or how I'm going to feel about you

930
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 6: saying that you're just You're just You're giving me the

931
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 6: dignity of being honest with me.

932
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 4: The dignity of it.

933
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, beautiful, And there was something too. I loved the

934
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 5: way the scenes mirrored. I loved being able to defend

935
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 5: him as Brooke. I loved being able to step up

936
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 5: and say, you know what, here's the issue, Like that

937
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 5: is a thing I will do for the people I

938
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 5: love in my own life forever. I think the way

939
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 5: you phrased it, Rob makes me want to sob in

940
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 5: the best way.

941
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:44,879
Speaker 4: Like the act of love of it.

942
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:51,959
Speaker 5: And for her to say there was only one day

943
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 5: and that's the problem. It should be the inverse. The

944
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 5: one day you made him feel terrible should be the

945
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 5: rare day. And then when I think it leads into

946
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 5: that thing with Gregory and the way he plays it

947
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 5: for him to go, yeah, I don't remember that one

948
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 5: day and it's like, oh God, everybody in the room,

949
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 5: everybody in this house knows it's it's bad. But yeah,

950
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 5: the chance maybe to have it changed. Maybe the way

951
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 5: that hit him Paul like, wait a second, this this

952
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 5: woman is telling me this thing, and yeah, I don't

953
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 5: know the one day it was there, only one day.

954
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,439
Speaker 5: I wonder how long he ruminated on that.

955
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 4: You know, it's Oh, I just thought it was really great.

956
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 4: I loved it all. Maybe feel very emotional.

957
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 6: And kind of like Joy was saying, it's there is

958
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 6: almost a weird amount of polish to his to this

959
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 6: speech he gives for someone who, if has spent his

960
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 6: whole life being the opposite of it, you would think

961
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 6: it would have been a lot more clumsy and clunky

962
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 6: and in our so the fact that it is kind

963
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 6: of polished and well spoken. But then he throws this in,

964
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 6: like I said, I think that's what sort of sells

965
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 6: the whole thing and grounds it and you go, oh, okay, yeah,

966
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 6: I buy all of it. Totally changing a subject here,

967
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 6: but speaking of great intros from last episode, Jana her

968
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 6: first proper scene in this show, when she meets Millie

969
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 6: at the airport. She it's another one of those scenes.

970
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 6: It's dynamic, it's funny.

971
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:34,720
Speaker 4: It's early aughts fashion.

972
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 6: It's oh, I don't mean the Jane Austen, I mean

973
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 6: the the early aughts.

974
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 3: It's like early two thousands, late nineties that fashion. Everything

975
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 3: she was wearing was so eppecific. It's so brittany Christina,

976
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 3: like everything from those magazines back then.

977
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, with the exception of her dropping a hard

978
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,240
Speaker 6: R word, it was pretty polished and perfect.

979
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

980
00:49:55,160 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 5: I didn't love that, But interestingly it it leads to

981
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 5: the disgust even more. You're like, you're a mere monster.

982
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 5: You're a monster. And you can see it on Millie's face.

983
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 5: She's like, wait, who is this person? Oh no, and

984
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 5: everything from like the horrible thing she has to say

985
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 5: about people to you know, oh, I just made that up.

986
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 5: Let's go to a Mickey Dez, like to your favorite line,

987
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 5: I could eat the butt off of skunk, Like, yeah,

988
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 5: digging through the limo, Janna even changed the cadence of

989
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 5: her voice.

990
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like walking through the airport, she's.

991
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 5: Like, oh, thank you, Oh my gosh, thank you.

992
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 4: No, you're brave.

993
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 5: And then she gets in and she's like ew gross,

994
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 5: Now hungry, when where's my alcohol?

995
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 4: Like it and you're just aghast. That was my word.

996
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 5: I am a gast, a gust and like, how fun

997
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 5: to feel that way watching someone perform.

998
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 6: And she plays Alex with such earnestness in the sense

999
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 6: of you see it in the clothes over bro scene,

1000
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 6: which in comedy is so great because the more you

1001
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 6: can commit, the better it's going to be. But that

1002
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:10,439
Speaker 6: wonderful exchange of that's what she said, and then her

1003
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 6: sincerely not getting it but then wanting to be in

1004
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 6: on the joke and then using it incorrectly was good,

1005
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 6: so much fun. You know, they say there's no vanity

1006
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 6: in comedy, and that was a perfect example of just

1007
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 6: she was willing to just go for it and look

1008
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 6: like a complete ass, and it made the joke land

1009
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 6: so well.

1010
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was perfect.

1011
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 6: It was.

1012
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 5: And then not only does she use it wrong, but

1013
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 5: when she sets me up for a good one and

1014
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 5: I use it and she's like, who oh, my friend,

1015
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 5: yeah she said that, and the scene is I was like,

1016
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 5: this is so it's just so good.

1017
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 3: I enjoyed watching you enjoy that, like the choice to

1018
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 3: make Brooke not just totally appalled, but actually so beyond

1019
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 3: you were incredulous. It could just could not believe it,

1020
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 3: and then you really started to enjoy it.

1021
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 4: It was great. I really I had so much fun

1022
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 4: with it.

1023
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 5: And it's funny because watching Alex and Millie together, I

1024
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 5: was like, well, I want this whole movie. I want

1025
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 5: this buddy comedy. And then that scene with the three

1026
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 5: of us I wrote down. I was like, oh, I

1027
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 5: want us to remake nine to five. Oh yeah, it

1028
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 5: would be so funny.

1029
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 6: Uh. The the one thing about that scene that I

1030
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 6: had I had to laugh at and just shake my

1031
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,760
Speaker 6: head was when she goes says something to the effect

1032
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 6: of oh, you know, and because I have a great butt,

1033
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 6: and they actually do a gratuitous close up shot of

1034
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 6: her butt in underwear, and it was that reminder of.

1035
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, okay, yeah, I know what show this is.

1036
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 6: I know it showed. Okay, we still got that's still happening,

1037
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 6: all right.

1038
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 4: I mean, by the way, Janna got it, Chantell got it.

1039
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 5: On the beach, India gets it soon, India gets it

1040
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:00,839
Speaker 5: all the time. There was there was a shot on

1041
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 5: the beach leading up to one of those snackstand scenes,

1042
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 5: or maybe the one where skills in Miss Lauren get buried.

1043
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 4: That's just two girls walking by. It's just their butts.

1044
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 4: It's hip bones down, yeah, just butts, And I.

1045
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 5: Was like, wow, they really was this like a U

1046
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 5: Was this an email sent to camera people from our

1047
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 5: boss like more butts?

1048
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 4: I don't know what's.

1049
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 3: Happening because the guys that were running our camera department

1050
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 3: were not no look, I mean no, these guys were

1051
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 3: us men. They were wonderful, lovely, wonderful, respectful men. So

1052
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 3: there had to be some kind of company wide memo

1053
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 3: that went out that was like, we need more TNA

1054
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 3: on this show.

1055
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 4: Boy.

1056
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 6: Speaking of Chantell on that beach, the scene that moment

1057
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 6: where she walks up to Clay and Nathan and she says, hey,

1058
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 6: dumb and dumber, perfect line. I don't know because I

1059
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 6: don't remember whether on the day this was just a

1060
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 6: choice I made or if it was me dealing with

1061
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 6: sunscreen in my eyes and a bright sun on a beach.

1062
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 6: But watch that moment when she says hey dumb and

1063
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,839
Speaker 6: dummer and Clay it just sort of goes like, hey,

1064
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 6: I make the most awkward, weird, blinking face. And it

1065
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 6: was either a genius choice or just a beautiful accident.

1066
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 6: It's probably it was just a beautiful accident. But you

1067
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 6: got to watch it because it is the most sincere

1068
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 6: a guy completely losing his cool and not knowing how

1069
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:28,959
Speaker 6: to behave.

1070
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 5: Yeah well, and wanting to say something funny, and then

1071
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 5: also knowing he's not supposed to flirt with this girl

1072
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 5: because his brother in law's standing there. It's like the

1073
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 5: short circuit of not knowing what to do.

1074
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 6: We would be remiss if we didn't at least take

1075
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 6: a moment to acknowledge how amazing the scene with Joy

1076
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 6: playing not one, not two, but three iconic characters from Montree.

1077
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 4: I was like, when are we getting into Red Bedroom Records?

1078
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 4: Because it's so funny.

1079
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 6: Are so funny in that scene and the way that

1080
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 6: you played Chad especially nailed both of them. But the

1081
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 6: choices you made on Chad were so funny to me,

1082
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 6: you had me cracking up.

1083
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 4: Oh good, they were so great. I was scared to

1084
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 4: do that. Why well, because I don't want hurt anybody's feelings.

1085
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 3: It's like, where's the line between a roast and like

1086
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 3: when you're making fun of someone in a way that's hurtful.

1087
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 3: And I was like, yeah, I don't want to hurt

1088
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 3: anybody's feelings, and maybe like maybe these people maybe you know,

1089
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 3: they don't know that some of these are some of

1090
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 3: their fun ticks, like.

1091
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, like I've got mine. Everybody's got mannerisms on camera

1092
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 4: and things.

1093
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 3: That we carry over to other jobs and or just

1094
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 3: playing as Haley or Peyton or Lucas or whatever. So yeah,

1095
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 3: but I just I went for it. It was it

1096
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 3: was scary, though, I remember being.

1097
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 6: Like, oh, and the reason why I think it wasn't

1098
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:52,720
Speaker 6: it didn't seem cruel to me was I think any

1099
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 6: young male actor who has aspirations of being a leading man,

1100
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 6: especially in that time period, knows that cool guy WinCE,

1101
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 6: the cool guy voice. And let me'll tell you what,

1102
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 6: if you've ever taken a headshot, you certainly know the

1103
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 6: cool guy I wish you're watching on YouTube. Everyone's taken

1104
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 6: that headshot. Guys go to YouTube dot com to seat

1105
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 6: every headshot I've ever taken right now.

1106
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:16,280
Speaker 4: Great.

1107
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 6: So when you did the hand on the back of

1108
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 6: the head, it was so there. It is every male

1109
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 6: actor knows that.

1110
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:28,359
Speaker 5: I also think, like a, yes, the timeliness of it's

1111
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 5: so reflective of the era. But I think too, you

1112
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 5: were the only one who could have done it because

1113
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 5: Brooke and Peyton and Lucas had their love triangle drama.

1114
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 5: Nathan also dated Peyton, Like, Haley is literally the best

1115
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 5: friend who doesn't have personal life drama with these two people.

1116
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 5: So for her, I think she's like the one character

1117
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 5: who can lovingly make fun of those people without anyone

1118
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:58,320
Speaker 5: being like, wow, she inserted that because it's like, no, yeah,

1119
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 5: it works for me because of history and because of

1120
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 5: this sort of sister vibe that Haley has with both

1121
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 5: Peyton and Lucas.

1122
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 4: I think it's just perfect.

1123
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 5: And you know, you've officiated their wedding and you really

1124
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 5: do know them so incredibly well that you can you

1125
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 5: can lovingly giggle about their ticks.

1126
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 3: I wonder how it came up in the writer's room,

1127
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 3: Like what somebody sitting there writing the scene, going what

1128
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 3: would Haley do next? Well, if Peyton and Lucas were there,

1129
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 3: she would call them huh actually yeah.

1130
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 4: And then they just wrote that in that's I think

1131
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 4: that's so funny. I never would have thought of that.

1132
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 6: It's really feel like one of those things where circumstances

1133
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 6: create a problem and the solution you end up scrambling

1134
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 6: together is better than the original. Plants like Indiana Jones

1135
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 6: and Harrison Ford had the flu and there was supposed

1136
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 6: to be the huge fight with the guy with the sword,

1137
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 6: and instead he was feeling terrible and he just went,

1138
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 6: how have I just pull out the gun and shoot him?

1139
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 6: And then went okay. And now that's the most iconic

1140
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 6: thing that that fight scene where the guy does all

1141
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 6: the sword stuff and he just stands there nonplussed and

1142
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 6: then pulls out his gun and shoots. The only reason

1143
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 6: that happened was because he had the flu on that day.

1144
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 6: He was so, how about I just shoot the guy instead?

1145
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 6: Spielberg was like, Okay.

1146
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 4: Oh that's great. I had no idea how Yeah. I

1147
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 4: love hearing those kind of stories. Yeah, that's great. I

1148
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 4: love it so cool. Yeah.

1149
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 5: The solve of not having these people anymore and missing them,

1150
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 5: like Jamie reading the birthday card from Lucas and getting

1151
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 5: the ball in seven oh one, is such a tug

1152
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 5: on the heartstrings moment, and then to get this comic

1153
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 5: relief with like, I miss my friends. I can't call them,

1154
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 5: I don't know who to ask, what to do here?

1155
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 5: And I like that Hayley goes to Peyton first, because

1156
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 5: obviously she's your business partner, and you guys run this

1157
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 5: label together, and then it's like, wait a second, I

1158
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 5: could do the same with Lucas. It's it's just so

1159
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 5: it's natural and it's so so funny. Yeah, and the

1160
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 5: whole dynamic that runs under this scary thing. And I

1161
00:58:57,880 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 5: don't know if you and Les Butler talked about this,

1162
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 5: but I was gonna ask, like, the whole dynamic under

1163
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 5: the red bedroom storyline is funny even when you come

1164
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 5: up with your big idea though, Like the way you

1165
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 5: grab your purse and you're like flailing running out of

1166
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 5: the room, like everything's funny, Like you're being very physically

1167
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 5: comedic in a stressful situation. And then when you and

1168
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 5: Kate are at it, you know, Mia comes to the rescue.

1169
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 5: You guys are really funny. You're doing a like a

1170
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 5: good cop bad cop thing together.

1171
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 4: Yeah? And was that intentional? Was the goal? Like, oh, this.

1172
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 5: Record label drama could feel like heavy and like a

1173
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 5: big fight, and we want it to feel light and

1174
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 5: funny because you're gonna win.

1175
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 3: No, I'm just a really animated person and I had to.

1176
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 3: I feel like I had to be so stiff as

1177
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 3: Hayley so often, and I was always trying to do

1178
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 3: my lucial ball stuff and Greg or whoever you know,

1179
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 3: usually Greg, but a lot of our directors would be like.

1180
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 4: Could you tone it down a little, like it just

1181
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 4: not a sitcom. I'm like, oh fine, like but I'm

1182
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 4: working buck In.

1183
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 3: So yeah, no, I think it was I was just

1184
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 3: probably feeling they also, I mean at that time and

1185
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 3: when was this two thousand and seven. Yeah, I mean

1186
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 3: I was like in my personal life incredibly depressed during

1187
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 3: that time, and so I but my saving grace was work,

1188
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 3: Like I would go to work and be able to

1189
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 3: just let loose.

1190
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 4: And have fun.

1191
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 3: And so I desperately needed play at that time in

1192
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 3: my life, and I think I started just taking every

1193
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 3: opportunity I could on set to just make it as

1194
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 3: fun as humanly possible for myself.

1195
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 6: So I did.

1196
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 4: That's my ever loving mind. Yeah I get that.

1197
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 5: I mean that was, by the way, like full moment

1198
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 5: of vulnerability. That was my whole experience doing my play

1199
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 5: in London, Like when you are so crushed and you

1200
01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 5: realize like, oh, everything I've built my life life into

1201
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 5: I think I think was like words not actions, maybe

1202
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 5: like yeah, this is not what I thought it was

1203
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 5: going to be. That is where I think we have

1204
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 5: such a privilege as artists, because when you can go

1205
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 5: to work and be in your body and like move

1206
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 5: and process and laugh and also sometimes laughing is what

1207
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 5: helps you cry, Like art can actually be the thing

1208
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 5: that heals you or that gets you free. Yeah, and

1209
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 5: man like now that of course, I'm like, oh my god,

1210
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 5: of course that tracks in like obviously, conversations we were

1211
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 5: having then about what was happening in your life, the

1212
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 5: conversations we were having last year about was hapening in

1213
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 5: my life. Like it it really can become like your

1214
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 5: only place for respite. And so I'm like, oh, of

1215
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 5: course you were managing to insert comedy into this like

1216
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 5: essentially contractual fight, you know about like someone buys your

1217
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 5: record label. That's like an arranged marriage at work. Like

1218
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 5: of course you needed a little bit of levity in

1219
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 5: those spaces. But I as if you were not even

1220
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 5: thinking about that personal life stuff. While I was watching it,

1221
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 5: I was like, God, I love the choice to make

1222
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 5: this like a funny fight instead of another SOB story

1223
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 5: fight like team Damas love to do.

1224
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 4: Thanks.

1225
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks, we needed some of that, especially with all

1226
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 3: the drama coming. I'm excited to see what happens after

1227
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 3: Nathan has his big really so much tension, so many

1228
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 3: big things coming.

1229
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 5: Him Walking out there to you, I was like, oh

1230
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 5: my god, oh my god, Oh my god, oh my god,

1231
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 5: oh my god.

1232
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 4: I have to tell you something. I was like, oh

1233
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 4: my god, Yeah, like, do you remember what's coming? I don't.

1234
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 3: I mean, I know he's going to tell me everything

1235
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 3: that I wasn't there for in the episode, but well, yeah,

1236
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1237
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 6: Wow, I don't either. Honestly, It's fun and I like

1238
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 6: it that way because I get to experienced this like

1239
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 6: a first time viewer, where I'm just I'm I'm on

1240
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 6: board for the ride. Do we want to do some

1241
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 6: honorable mentions? Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and just just

1242
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 6: jump right in here. Because Denzel and Macaulay for the

1243
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 6: walkie talkie handles between Jamie and Skills delighted.

1244
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 4: Me me too.

1245
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 6: That whole scene I could have I could have also

1246
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:41,919
Speaker 6: done with thirty more minutes of Alison and Antoine and

1247
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:45,919
Speaker 6: Jackson in the car. That was. I mean the fact

1248
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 6: that little Jamie's playing therapist to Antoine before Miss Lauren

1249
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 6: gets in the car, and then the fun of leaving

1250
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 6: them at the beach. But then the walkie talkie handles

1251
01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 6: man that that was perfect.

1252
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 3: I can't believe they had to sit there and get

1253
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 3: buried in the sand to do that scene. I really

1254
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 3: hope they weren't there for a long time. I should

1255
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 3: call Alison an asker.

1256
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, I was thinking that too, Like, how

1257
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 5: long did they have to be under the sand?

1258
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 4: That's not a beach day.

1259
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 6: I want Did they have to bury their stand ins

1260
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 6: first to get all the lighting right?

1261
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 4: Oh my god, they I'm sure they did.

1262
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 5: I would imagine they dug the pit and then just

1263
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 5: had the stand and sit.

1264
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 6: In, yeah, the empty pits.

1265
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 5: And then put Alison and Antoine in and put the

1266
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 5: sand over that.

1267
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 6: That makes sense.

1268
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 3: So my honorable mention goes to every girl on the

1269
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 3: show that doesn't have straight hair having exactly the same hairdoo.

1270
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 3: Every curly haired girl had exactly the same hair you actually,

1271
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 3: so if your hair in the first scene with Austin,

1272
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 3: like the first half of the show was not the same.

1273
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 3: It was like this really lovely beachy wave, but you

1274
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 3: still had the bangs we had. They were like side bangs, right, Yeah,

1275
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 3: and I loved that on you. But yeah, me Kate

1276
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 3: India's was straight, but it was still the same cut. Chantelle,

1277
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 3: same straight but same cut, and then Millie and then

1278
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 3: you occasionally with the bangs in the curly hair, but

1279
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 3: it was mostly you were doing your own thing. But yeah,

1280
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 3: so many same Especially when Kate and I were standing

1281
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 3: next to each other in the red bedroom, I was like,

1282
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 3: what what happened? We just both went to the same

1283
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 3: hair salon before we came. It was this was a

1284
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 3: rough season for hair for me. But uh, yeah, that's

1285
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 3: my honorable mention.

1286
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 4: Just everybody gets the same hair too today.

1287
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 5: Oh my goodness, I feel like I have forty honorable

1288
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 5: mentions in this episode.

1289
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, give us a real one them all. I'm joking,

1290
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 4: but yes, I'm like, we and here we go.

1291
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think all I'll go with Daniel. Like just

1292
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 5: the mic drop coming out Rachel as Dan's wife and

1293
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 5: being so in her power and like so obviously in control.

1294
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I'm here for this. I can't

1295
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 4: wait for more. Yeah.

1296
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 5: Also that that's what she said entire scene.

1297
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes to all of it.

1298
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 4: Should we spind a wheel? Bum bum bum bum bum

1299
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 4: bum bum? Most likely to become a vegan? This is

1300
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 4: a bummer of a wheel question this week.

1301
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 6: I mean it's not me, um me yeah, maybe Whitey,

1302
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 6: you know, maybe just cause she's getting a little bit

1303
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 6: later in life and he wants to dis increase that

1304
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 6: longevity and he thinks I'm just gonna go ahead and

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Speaker 6: be a vegan. So that works out.

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Speaker 4: We'll take it. I love that answer. All right, great, Whitey,

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Speaker 4: it is. What do we have next week?

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Speaker 6: I'd love to tell you we have next week? So? Uh,

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Speaker 6: Season seven, episode three, hold my hand as I'm lowered.

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Speaker 6: Oh raises more questions than answers. Gotta watch.

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Speaker 4: Sounds a little morbid, but okay, here we go, Here

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Speaker 4: we go, Bie, everybody see you next week. Bye, hey,

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Speaker 4: thanks for listening.

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Speaker 5: Don't forget to leave us a review. You can also

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Speaker 5: follow us on Instagram at Drama Queen's ot.

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Speaker 4: H or email us at Drama Queens at iHeartRadio dot com.

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Speaker 4: See you next time.

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Speaker 2: We all about that high school drama Girl, Drama Girl,

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Speaker 2: all about them high school queens. We'll take you for

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Speaker 2: a ride at our comic girl sharing for the right teams.

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Speaker 4: Drama Queens.

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Speaker 2: Leise my girl, up girl fashion with your tough girl.

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Speaker 1: You could sit with us, Girl drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama,

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Speaker 1: Queens Drama, Drama, Queens Drama, Queens