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Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Business Week with Carol Masser and Bloomberg

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Speaker 1: Quick Takes. Tim Stinovic from Bloomberg Radio. Been looking forward

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Speaker 1: to this all week. Uh, and first of all, I

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Speaker 1: just want to kind of set the stage. We've got

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Speaker 1: some news this week on the diversity front. It was

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Speaker 1: announced at Rosalind Brewer she's going to take over a

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Speaker 1: CEO of Walgreen's Boots Alliance. That's gonna happen in March,

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Speaker 1: making the three largest U S pharmacy chains now led

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Speaker 1: by women for the first time. So we have definitely

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Speaker 1: seen some progress when it comes to women in the

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Speaker 1: c suite and at the top of companies, but they're

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Speaker 1: still making up less than six percent of CEOs of

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Speaker 1: S and P five hundred companies. Let's get into this um.

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Speaker 1: Delighted to have with us Kara Helander. She's managing director

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Speaker 1: and chief Inclusion and Diversity Officer over at the Carlisle

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Speaker 1: Group based in Washington, and that's where she joins us

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Speaker 1: on the phone. Also with us as Bloomberg News Finance

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Speaker 1: and Wall Street reporter Shnelli Boss, She's joining us in

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Speaker 1: our Interactive Brokers studio. So car is so great to

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Speaker 1: have you here with me and Shnally. I know you

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Speaker 1: guys have talked a lot over the past, but let's

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Speaker 1: just kick it off with where are we when it

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Speaker 1: comes to diversity and inclusion in the workplace? Have we

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Speaker 1: made significant progress in your view? You know? Carol, thank

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Speaker 1: you first of all. Um, delightful to be here, but

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Speaker 1: I would say, you know, there are we have made progress. Um.

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Speaker 1: The objective numbers show that we're making movement, but it's

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Speaker 1: slow and it's something that we are as a community,

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Speaker 1: business community, and certainly at Carlisle, we're very focused on

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Speaker 1: and as I have spoken with Shnali about, part of

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Speaker 1: the reason that we're very focused on it is it

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Speaker 1: really does lead to value creation to improve business performance,

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Speaker 1: you know, and we're we're about making the portfolio companies

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Speaker 1: that we invest in stronger and this is definitely part

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Speaker 1: of our value creation for them, and it's also part

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Speaker 1: of making sure that our organization has the right skills,

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Speaker 1: that perspective, the diversity of thought that we need to

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Speaker 1: really make the best investment decision. Carl you mentioned that

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Speaker 1: the change is slow. I'm wondering what is the friction?

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Speaker 1: What are some of the reasons that some of this

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Speaker 1: progress that are being slowed down. You know, I think

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Speaker 1: that this is it's about a couple of things. One,

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Speaker 1: it's about UM changing and perhaps improving the way that

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Speaker 1: we have traditionally done things like higher people UM. And secondly,

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Speaker 1: it's about helping people see and improve the ways that

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Speaker 1: we make decisions so that we are as objective and

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Speaker 1: unbiased as pros possible. And you know, I'll give you

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Speaker 1: a couple of examples for us at Carlisle. UM. What

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Speaker 1: we've done is put a lot of focus on making

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Speaker 1: sure that we're improving how we attract and UM recruit people. UM.

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Speaker 1: For example, we require that every interview slate has at

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Speaker 1: least two diverse candidates. UM. That's based on some evidence

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Speaker 1: that that makes a difference. But we've also become more

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Speaker 1: consistent in how we're evaluating people against you know, the

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Speaker 1: most important criteria for that role. UM. And that helps

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Speaker 1: us all just make sure that we're hiring the person

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Speaker 1: who's the best qualified, perhaps not the person that we

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Speaker 1: immediately connect with as readily. UM. It almost sounds a

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Speaker 1: little bit like and forgive me, I just wanted a

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Speaker 1: bit like we've had a lot of discussions around Bloomberg

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Speaker 1: about should we bring back quotas and it has helped

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Speaker 1: bring more women into the workplace, But what do you

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Speaker 1: how do you feel about that? You know, I think

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Speaker 1: it I think first of all, you can set aspirational targets,

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Speaker 1: but I think what's really important is setting um measuring

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Speaker 1: the quality of the process right so that you are

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Speaker 1: if that example of having at least two diverse candidates

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Speaker 1: weates is important because you are then saying we want

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Speaker 1: if you haven't cultivated that, then you haven't really reached

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Speaker 1: out and identified the best talent in the market. Speaking

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Speaker 1: look for everyone's diversity data and traditionally it's been so hard.

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Speaker 1: It's so hard, Um, what what are these difficulties about?

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Speaker 1: Why is it so difficult for so many companies to

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Speaker 1: and like any strategic priority, we measure it um and

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Speaker 1: around a broader range of diversity in our workforce. You know,

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Speaker 1: the break that you know, measuring diversity, measuring inclusion, like,

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Speaker 1: there's different things. You're measuring women, you're measuring race. There's

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Speaker 1: different types of rules around how disclosures are made and

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Speaker 1: car I'm really interested in how you think about this

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Speaker 1: going beyond gender and looking at all forms of diversity.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely so, Tonal, You're absolutely right, different locations, different geographies

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Speaker 1: by law and also what's meaningful in terms of diversity differs.

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Speaker 1: We UM. We definitely collect information that we can by

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Speaker 1: law UM, and in fact, we've been expanding so we

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Speaker 1: but we've also been looking at ways that we can

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Speaker 1: expand the information that we can collect on our employees

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Speaker 1: so we can better meet their needs. One great example,

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Speaker 1: as we recently allowed or helped our employees UM with

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Speaker 1: the ability to self identify lgbt Q plus status, and

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Speaker 1: what that means is because we better understand the makeup

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Speaker 1: with the benefits that they need. UM. We recently announced

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Speaker 1: enhanced fertility benefits that are really quite cutting edge, and

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Speaker 1: in part that information helped us to do that. UM.

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Speaker 1: We're also but we're on a continued effort to UM

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Speaker 1: understand what we can collect. We also collect data on

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Speaker 1: the boards of our portfolio companies UM, and we do

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Speaker 1: this because our data shows that those companies that have

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Speaker 1: more diverse boards outperform those that don't. Let's talk about

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Speaker 1: And in fact, as we mentioned, those boards that are

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Speaker 1: our value creation strategy. And we set a goal of

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Speaker 1: So it's that old it does what what what matters?

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Speaker 1: You measure, and so we're definitely measuring. I ask and

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Speaker 1: you know, I feel like these conversations we've been having,

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Speaker 1: a long long time about diversity and more women, more minorities,

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Speaker 1: You've got to embed and reinforce this in everything you do.

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Speaker 1: a good example. We have specific action plans around diversity

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Speaker 1: and progress against those plans gets reviewed in quarterly business

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Speaker 1: reviews just like any other priority. What we see is

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Speaker 1: when you do that, you can make progress. You know,

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Speaker 1: So you can make progress with consistent intentional effort and

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Speaker 1: and shannali one of the other things that you know,

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Speaker 1: the challenges faced with COVID, there's no question, UM, and

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Speaker 1: I think what we're trying to do is be attentive,

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Speaker 1: light of that, well, Kara, I hope we can continue

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Speaker 1: but as you says, it's intentions, setting intentions and actually

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Speaker 1: at Carlisle. Thank you so much. Have a good weekend,

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Speaker 1: Kara Hilander, she's managing director, Chief Inclusion and Diversity Officer

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Speaker 1: Shenali basic important conversation and let's keep this going. Let's

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Speaker 1: keep it going. Yeah, it's really really important,