Speaker 1: Welcome back, happy our listeners, and we're so excited about
Speaker 1: our episode today because, as we mentioned last week, we
Speaker 1: are officially on the road to the premiere of The
Speaker 1: Bad Chelarette and we are so thrilled because Rachel, I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's just me, but I feel like
Speaker 1: we just sat down and had Claire on and you know,
Speaker 1: granted that was actually a couple of months ago, but
Speaker 1: it feels like yesterday. And so we are a month
Speaker 1: away from the premiere and on October thirteenth, mark your
Speaker 1: calendars because we are getting our season premiere and it's
Speaker 1: not going to be on Mondays. It's going to be
Speaker 1: on Tuesdays, so make sure you mark that down too.
Speaker 1: It's going to be a change for us all. But
Speaker 1: last week we mentioned that in anticipation of the upcoming season,
Speaker 1: we wanted to get some former Bad Cherettes on who
Speaker 1: we haven't had on the podcast yet. So we want
Speaker 1: to get them on and get us all pumped up
Speaker 1: for this season because what is better than some girl power?
Speaker 1: And so we're going to do that today because we
Speaker 1: are having a very special lady on one who makes
Speaker 1: me laugh like no other and who I personally love
Speaker 1: I'm sure you do too, But we are having Jillian
Speaker 1: Harris on, and if you are a dedicated Bachelor fan,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, she truly does it all. She's
Speaker 1: so cool. She's not only a mother as soon to
Speaker 1: be wife, she's a badass businesswoman. Like I said, she
Speaker 1: does it all, and so we're gonna have her on
Speaker 1: and get her talking to us today about all things
Speaker 1: a bachelorette's past, present, and future. You know, I was,
Speaker 1: I was thinking, I'm excited to have Jillian on because
Speaker 1: I think we both met her for the first time
Speaker 1: at the same time, which was at the reunion and
Speaker 1: a fifteen year reunion, and she was hilarious. It's like
Speaker 1: I had heard about her. I knew that she was
Speaker 1: the most accomplished bachelorette, and I still am going to
Speaker 1: give her that title. But I had no idea what
Speaker 1: we were in for and how great she was going
Speaker 1: to be. But at the same time, also when you
Speaker 1: started talking about how we're on the road to Bachelorette,
Speaker 1: I was thinking, don't you feel like we've already seen
Speaker 1: this season, because more than any other season, there have
Speaker 1: been so many rumors swirling around this bachelorette or Bachelorette's
Speaker 1: plural whatever it is season that I feel like, I
Speaker 1: I've already watched it. Yeah, I feel like there's definitely
Speaker 1: more spoilers out there than there than we've ever had
Speaker 1: in the past, but A I try not to read
Speaker 1: too much into those because I can't help it. You can't.
Speaker 1: This one is like to a whole other level, because
Speaker 1: of course there's always some spoilers, but this one, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think because people are speculating so much, but also
Speaker 1: I feel like there's so much that when we actually
Speaker 1: watch each week back on once it starts, I guess
Speaker 1: we're gonna be like, oh my gosh, Like it's just
Speaker 1: gonna be like I don't even know. I don't even know,
Speaker 1: Like I just want to watch it. I want to
Speaker 1: get to know the guys because I heard that there's
Speaker 1: more guys than there's ever been, and I just it's
Speaker 1: gonna be you know. And I think I said this
Speaker 1: on the podcast a couple of weeks ago, but when
Speaker 1: Chris Harrison always comes out and says the most dramatic
Speaker 1: season ever, I truly think that that is going to
Speaker 1: live up to the title. For this season. I'm just like,
Speaker 1: ass it I'm calling Claire anyways, Um, okay, so yeah,
Speaker 1: I do. I totally feel like it's all it's all
Speaker 1: been played out, whether it be in the rumor mill
Speaker 1: or you know, it definitely isn't popping off in our
Speaker 1: bachelorette chat. I'll tell you that. I feel like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I feel like we're all like Claire, speak to us,
Speaker 1: tell us something we know nothing. I feel like we're
Speaker 1: trying to dig so much like the way we'll ask
Speaker 1: questions like word things for Claire is like we want something,
Speaker 1: but she is so tightited. I mean, she'll respond and
Speaker 1: you know, she'll give us like the baselines like oh,
Speaker 1: I'm good, how are you guys doing? But I'm like,
Speaker 1: give us more? Wait, can I ask you this? Because
Speaker 1: I got a lot of flak from this, and it's
Speaker 1: typically from Facebook moms, because I'm not well liked on
Speaker 1: Facebook and usually the people who are coming at me
Speaker 1: all look the same. I got a lot of flak
Speaker 1: for being confused by Claire's poster for the Bachelorette. I
Speaker 1: have a graduate. I'd never seen the graduate, so I
Speaker 1: didn't understand the concept of it. So and then in
Speaker 1: real time during an interview, somebody explained it to me,
Speaker 1: and I was like, what, I'm a little bothered by this.
Speaker 1: Why are we playing into this cougar mentality? Did we
Speaker 1: do it for Ari? Did we do it for Nick?
Speaker 1: I literally was like, they might as well dress Claire
Speaker 1: up an animal print and tell it a roar. I
Speaker 1: don't like it? Well, no, And that was my first
Speaker 1: thing that I said, because when I woke up one
Speaker 1: day and one of my friends sent it to me
Speaker 1: and she was like, what does this mean? And for
Speaker 1: whatever reason, had just recently watched The Graduate and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, it's after this movie. But I was like,
Speaker 1: if I was Claire, I'd be a little bit bothered
Speaker 1: by this too. And that was my first reaction, Like
Speaker 1: you said, it's played into this cougar It's like, okay, yes,
Speaker 1: she's the oldest batcheerrette, Like, let's get over it. At
Speaker 1: this point, she's still Therefore, why we all became the
Speaker 1: bachelrette And that was hopefully to find a partner and
Speaker 1: who cares if she is a little bit older, Like,
Speaker 1: let her just do her thing. Now it's played out.
Speaker 1: And so the fact that that was the ad route
Speaker 1: that they were going, I was like, hmmm, I would
Speaker 1: not enjoy that if that was me, it was I
Speaker 1: don't like the double standard. And the first time I
Speaker 1: saw it was on Chris Harrison's Instagram, so I thought
Speaker 1: it was a joke. I was like, why does Chris
Speaker 1: Harrison have his foot in the middle of Claire's poster?
Speaker 1: It was so confused and up until I had that interview.
Speaker 1: But I'm not being critical like everyone's like, oh, Rachel
Speaker 1: criticizes everything. I just am like, we gotta support our
Speaker 1: girl here. There's so many other aspects to highlight about her.
Speaker 1: Why are we get it she's the oldest bacherette. Surely
Speaker 1: there's more to her than that. Let's not that be
Speaker 1: the whole spiel or the stick when it comes to Claire. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: let it die here, Okay, we know her age, who cares?
Speaker 1: Let it go. Let her just find love and and
Speaker 1: enjoyed the journey of this all. So yeah, it could
Speaker 1: have been thirty nine and fine, forty and fabulous, you know,
Speaker 1: like coming, you know, like whatever, Like, I don't know
Speaker 1: it could have been. I didn't. I didn't like it.
Speaker 1: I wanted to do you did you have like a
Speaker 1: theme for your poster? Black, Well, I'm gonna what your
Speaker 1: poster looked like, I don't im Yeah, I didn't have one.
Speaker 1: It well, yours was it's a doing the damn thing, right,
Speaker 1: let's do the Mine was that's our girl? I guess
Speaker 1: I guess that was. But like I felt, I just warned.
Speaker 1: There was a commercial that was something like she's bold,
Speaker 1: She's bad bad. I might have made that up in
Speaker 1: my head. I really think I made that up, know what, Like,
Speaker 1: actually thinking about it, it wasn't. Maybe it wasn't until
Speaker 1: Hannah because they kind of played off the whole beauty pageant,
Speaker 1: you know, where she ripped off the skirt and had
Speaker 1: the crown that I like, fabulous. Yeah, but and it
Speaker 1: was it was so fitting for her. So maybe it
Speaker 1: wasn't until her that they had like a theme or this.
Speaker 1: Hopefully let's ask what we should ask Jillian when Julian
Speaker 1: comes on. Let's ask her if she had one, if
Speaker 1: she had a thing, because like I feel like for us,
Speaker 1: they do songs now, but I'm very curious with her
Speaker 1: if she had a thing, because what are they Claire,
Speaker 1: here's to you, missus. Robinson like, no, that's exactly what
Speaker 1: they did with the poster, I know, but the foot
Speaker 1: is as big as Claire. So gosh, one of my
Speaker 1: friends actually sentenced me. She's like, do you know whose
Speaker 1: foot this is? Like? Is this one of the dudes?
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, they're not going to actually pick one
Speaker 1: of the guys from her season to like be the
Speaker 1: foot model for her poster. I mean, maybe it's been,
Speaker 1: but it's been. It's foot shut. I'm just kidding. Just
Speaker 1: took below for often. Here's this night, so it's Sustin
Speaker 1: Hoffman's Is this an offense foot? They brought him in
Speaker 1: just for that moment? Oh god, I hate it? Okay,
Speaker 1: well listen, I had to get your take on that.
Speaker 1: But I also want to do something fun because we
Speaker 1: talked about this on the podcast before and we love
Speaker 1: when you guys send in questions or tell us what
Speaker 1: you think, especially you're burning Batchelorrette questions. So we thought
Speaker 1: before we bring Jillian on, it would be fun because
Speaker 1: we ask you guys on Instagram to send in your
Speaker 1: questions and you guys did not disappoint. You send in
Speaker 1: so many replies. So we're gonna go through some of them.
Speaker 1: We can't go through all of them. Maybe we'll do
Speaker 1: that on the later podcast, but maybe we'll ask Jillian
Speaker 1: some of these questions as well. So I guess I'll
Speaker 1: ask you the first one. And as I'm flipping through papers, um, oh,
Speaker 1: here's I'm curious about this. From your season, what guy
Speaker 1: are you the closest to. Oh, that's a good one.
Speaker 1: I say probably Jason, just because I mean he's always
Speaker 1: just been such a sweetheart and such a fun guy
Speaker 1: and one that it was never awkward, but also just
Speaker 1: being close with Caitlin and talking to him, and now
Speaker 1: that he is in LA closer to us, I'm like,
Speaker 1: let's get the dogs together. So I would say Jason.
Speaker 1: But I still stay in touch, not regularly, I shouldn't
Speaker 1: say that, but I still like stay on good terms
Speaker 1: and talk to some of the dudes every now and again,
Speaker 1: like I mean Joe every now and again, like we
Speaker 1: had him on last week, and like even Blake and
Speaker 1: Colton just like checking in and like small chats with them.
Speaker 1: I don't know if do you remember Kriston for my season?
Speaker 1: He was the guy who dugged over me on Night one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he lives in LA and we'll chat every now
Speaker 1: and again, and he has a cute dog, so he's like,
Speaker 1: let's get the dogs together. So yeah, Jason's probably like
Speaker 1: the closest. I would say, okay, you as you were saying,
Speaker 1: and I was thinking, I because I'm like, who has
Speaker 1: my phone number? Like I feel like that shows a
Speaker 1: level of closeness and I think I think Alex is
Speaker 1: the only one that has my phone number. So you know,
Speaker 1: Alex was at our wedding. And it's so funny because
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've said this before, but a
Speaker 1: lot of my family members thought Alex was Brian. They
Speaker 1: kept saying congratulations, and Alex is like, at one point
Speaker 1: he was like, you know what, I just ran with it.
Speaker 1: I would just say, thank you so much. I'm so happy.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. But they do like the dark hair,
Speaker 1: They're tall, they're like both bill like I can I
Speaker 1: guess if if they didn't really know Brian. And that
Speaker 1: was the first time I get it, it was are
Speaker 1: they are they? He's really doing that. It's hilarious and
Speaker 1: I love that he embrace it. I would I would say, Alex,
Speaker 1: who I haven't talked to in a while. But then
Speaker 1: there are other people that like Eric, you know, I
Speaker 1: communicate with who else I'm even communicated with Peter Krause,
Speaker 1: you know through And I think that's probably gonna be
Speaker 1: a shocker to so many people because people are thinking
Speaker 1: of the last time we saw each other, which was
Speaker 1: on stage, but that was also three years ago. We're
Speaker 1: adults here and we can all move on, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: And I feel like even this, people read into everything.
Speaker 1: Like you could like someone's photo and people would be like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, is she flirting with him? Are they
Speaker 1: talking like they just it's like no, But like you said,
Speaker 1: we're all adults. Like the world. This world bonds you
Speaker 1: in such a weird way that unless you had like
Speaker 1: a really terrible falling out or experience with someone, I
Speaker 1: can't imagine you not being on okay terms with someone.
Speaker 1: And you know what's funny is we talked. We were
Speaker 1: like man, because we were talking about Black Lives Matter,
Speaker 1: and and like he was asking me questions about it
Speaker 1: and stuff and like for some advice ice about like
Speaker 1: responses he had gotten. And it's funny because we were like, man,
Speaker 1: we almost hit that follow button. But then what like
Speaker 1: it would just turn into something that it shouldn't because
Speaker 1: I still get messages that tell me, you know, you
Speaker 1: were really into Peter, and it's like, guys, do you
Speaker 1: guys I'm married that I just celebrated to your anniversary. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we were. It's sad because we were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: probably not a good idea hit that follow button. It's
Speaker 1: just you know, people, Yeah, they just read so much
Speaker 1: into it that it's hard sometimes but I get it.
Speaker 1: But Okay, I'm gonna ask you one of these. Okay,
Speaker 1: these are all so good. Okay, this is I want
Speaker 1: to ask you this too, because I feel like you
Speaker 1: probably were in a better headspace and like could prepare
Speaker 1: a little bit better. I'm just like, well, whatever, go
Speaker 1: with the flow. But how did you mentally prepare yourself
Speaker 1: to date so many men? Oh so, I guess see.
Speaker 1: I think it's badass to be able to say, you
Speaker 1: know what, whether you're here for the right or wrong reasons,
Speaker 1: you're all my season. This is my season of the Bachelorette,
Speaker 1: you know. So. I felt very empowered, I felt very
Speaker 1: in control. I loved being in the driver's seat. I'm
Speaker 1: a taurist, I'm an any acrim eight. We've talked about
Speaker 1: these things. I love that as very much. Show me
Speaker 1: and it was invigorating, it was refreshing, and I was
Speaker 1: the first woman of color, I was the first black bachelorette.
Speaker 1: It was something to me. It was an honor, and
Speaker 1: I went into it with that mentality. I also went
Speaker 1: into it with the mentality that I'm open for this,
Speaker 1: but there's absolutely no way I'm gonna fall for these men.
Speaker 1: You know, there's no way they can play batchmaker for
Speaker 1: me and it'll work. So I think I had kind
Speaker 1: of psyched myself out about it, and I didn't have
Speaker 1: high expectations, and that's why after the first night, I
Speaker 1: was like, I remember I turned to Caitlin, my producer
Speaker 1: for those of you don't know, and I was like, WHOA,
Speaker 1: I think I might be in some trouble. I think
Speaker 1: there's the potential here. I was like, dare I say
Speaker 1: I think I might? I'd have met my husband tonight.
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe. So I think for me, it was
Speaker 1: just a little different going in. What about you, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I just went in. I think I was
Speaker 1: so nervous at first, because I mean I knew going in,
Speaker 1: like some of the guys would hopefully be there and
Speaker 1: like me and some of the guys were just doing
Speaker 1: it to go on this TV show. And make a
Speaker 1: name for themselves. And so I was very i think
Speaker 1: guarded at first, where I was like I need to
Speaker 1: really weed out like the wrong ones here. But kind
Speaker 1: of like you after night one and you start to
Speaker 1: interact and actually talk to them, you see, like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: like maybe I could actually form some connections here. Like
Speaker 1: I remember leaving night one being like I'm hopeful for
Speaker 1: a handful of these guys, like I know a lot
Speaker 1: of them aren't here for me. A lot of them
Speaker 1: like aren't going to be into me, and that's okay,
Speaker 1: but as long as I had some but like to
Speaker 1: mentally prepare yourself to date thirty dudes, it's just like
Speaker 1: you're I'd just hid there and we're like, let's make
Speaker 1: this happen. What do we gotta do? Like I'll just
Speaker 1: sit here. You guys can come to me and we'll
Speaker 1: have a nice little chat like bring me champagne, bring
Speaker 1: me treat like whatever. But um, It's it's funny looking
Speaker 1: back because it's such a whirlwind and it does go
Speaker 1: by so fast. But now looking back, I'm like, did
Speaker 1: plus men? I couldn't like I would relive that again.
Speaker 1: And here's the thing for all those guys that came
Speaker 1: for the wrong reason. At the end of the day,
Speaker 1: they will always be known as so and so from
Speaker 1: Becka season, you know, any article that mentions them, any
Speaker 1: Google or whatever, it's like, Blake blank blank from Becka
Speaker 1: season and so from Rachel's season of the Back. It's like,
Speaker 1: yea's right, you always going to be attached to my
Speaker 1: season and my name. I just think it's it's plus,
Speaker 1: I'm a serial dater, so I'm like thirty men I've done. No,
Speaker 1: i haven't done this before, but I mean I'm just
Speaker 1: saying it's it's I love every bit of it. That's
Speaker 1: why that was interesting to hear trist To talk about
Speaker 1: the stigma that was placed on her. It's so crazy
Speaker 1: healthy change over the years, because now you're looked at
Speaker 1: as like such a strong, independent woman wrangling these men
Speaker 1: in whereas Trusted did it. It was like almost as
Speaker 1: if like a negative connotation was placed on her to
Speaker 1: be a woman dating all these men. There was such
Speaker 1: a double standard. So yeah, it's like taboo kind of
Speaker 1: I mean, especially back then, but I think about it now,
Speaker 1: just like in my life now because obviously, like I
Speaker 1: am single, and now that I can say that it's
Speaker 1: easier to like talk about like where I'm at. But
Speaker 1: I think, like, you know, I never, like I was
Speaker 1: always in exclusive relationships when I was with someone like
Speaker 1: that was the first time where I could really like
Speaker 1: explore multiple relationships at once and really balance them out.
Speaker 1: And so now I'm like, you know what, like I'm thirty,
Speaker 1: Like I'm ready to maybe like be okay with like
Speaker 1: not having to like throw all my eggs in one
Speaker 1: basket per se and be like only you like this
Speaker 1: is my goal in mind and just kind of like
Speaker 1: enjoy the experience that life in dating has to offer.
Speaker 1: So it's, um, it's definitely fun. Though it's like a weird,
Speaker 1: weird thing to do, but it's like I don't think
Speaker 1: any girl would turn that down. No, No, you know,
Speaker 1: if you get if you get offered the bat to right,
Speaker 1: you take it all your future Batchelor rights out there.
Speaker 1: And can I just also say something about being thirty?
Speaker 1: First of all, you know, welcome to this decade. But
Speaker 1: for for Becca and all my other Batchlor Happy Hour
Speaker 1: listeners who are in their thirties are about to approach thirty,
Speaker 1: there is nothing like stepping into your thirties. And I
Speaker 1: know you've heard it before, but it's I can't explain it.
Speaker 1: It's like you wake up and you're like, I get it.
Speaker 1: And there's so many things that you did in your
Speaker 1: twenties that you leave behind, and there's so many things
Speaker 1: that come to you in your thirties, like wisdom, um
Speaker 1: just like the maturity, the growth, even the beauty that
Speaker 1: comes out of it, like internally and and and physically.
Speaker 1: I can't tell you what it is about turning thirty,
Speaker 1: but it's like a light bulb goes off and I
Speaker 1: you know, and I showed this with you private, Rebecca,
Speaker 1: that like I came out of a really really tough
Speaker 1: relationship when I was thirty one and I was like
Speaker 1: at the bottom, and then later in that year my
Speaker 1: entire life change. I don't know, there is something magical
Speaker 1: about your thirties that I'm so excited for you and
Speaker 1: all you other thirty year olds out there. Rachel. The
Speaker 1: fact you just gave me chills all over because when
Speaker 1: you just said magic, that is exactly what I was
Speaker 1: about to say. Is like, I feel like it's this weird,
Speaker 1: like magical spot that I'm in right now. Like maybe
Speaker 1: it's the fact that I also moved to La and
Speaker 1: then it's like this new chapter, but it just feels
Speaker 1: like magic. It is, it is. I'm telling you. Remember
Speaker 1: when the song thirties the New twenty came out, and
Speaker 1: I remember I was like in my twenties, I might've
Speaker 1: even been my teens, and I was like, that's just
Speaker 1: something thirty year olds are saying to sound young. Okay,
Speaker 1: now that I'm in my thirties, I'm like, yes, is
Speaker 1: the New twenty and it feels so good. Yeah, welcome
Speaker 1: you guys. Do that's like turn of thirty. We're not
Speaker 1: just we're not just saying this here because we are
Speaker 1: in our thirties. I'm telling you. Also, I will say
Speaker 1: I'm not considering myself thirty quite yet because I never
Speaker 1: had a party because I was in quarantine. So the
Speaker 1: day things can open up and I can plan everything
Speaker 1: and like do something fun with people, that's when I
Speaker 1: turned thirty officially. But I also like, I'm embracing the thirties,
Speaker 1: so I do like it. No, I'm all, I'm all
Speaker 1: for a good party. So like I'm hopping on this train,
Speaker 1: so let's do it. Let's do it. So whoever sent
Speaker 1: this one in, they asked, do we think filming should
Speaker 1: be longer? And would we want it to be? And
Speaker 1: this is a great question because it is my last
Speaker 1: week with the guys, with my last two guys in
Speaker 1: the Maldis, I sat down with my uncle Chuck, and
Speaker 1: he asked me that same question because he could tell
Speaker 1: I was so stressed. I was so anxious, and he's like,
Speaker 1: if filming he's good. He always comes in with the
Speaker 1: hard hitting questions though, and for me at that point, obviously,
Speaker 1: like I had two great guys, I was trying to
Speaker 1: decide between and so he was like, if you had
Speaker 1: more time, would you take it? And I remember being like, like, shit, yes,
Speaker 1: if I could, I would, and he's like, well, then
Speaker 1: maybe you're not ready, and I'm like, but I think
Speaker 1: I am, but like you just made me question things,
Speaker 1: but I think I don't know. It's like, you want
Speaker 1: to get on with your life and find your partner
Speaker 1: and you don't want to keep filming and being our
Speaker 1: own cameras. But if you had a little bit of
Speaker 1: more time, I would have personally loved that. I would
Speaker 1: have taken it, but not like a ton, just you know,
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. I would say no, Actually, you're ready.
Speaker 1: If I would have wanted more time in the beginning,
Speaker 1: but once I had gotten to the end and I
Speaker 1: had narrowed it down, I was stuck in a place
Speaker 1: where I knew what I wanted to do, but I
Speaker 1: was still it was hard for me to let go
Speaker 1: of the other guy. And so I think more time
Speaker 1: would have just made me more confused. And I think
Speaker 1: more like, I knew what I needed to do, and
Speaker 1: I needed to be very matter of fact and decisive
Speaker 1: and make that decision and not get caught up in
Speaker 1: a type of relationship that I'm used to. And I
Speaker 1: don't know what I would have done with more time,
Speaker 1: you know, like would I have been pushing for something
Speaker 1: that wasn't there, would I have been you know, like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would have been caught up
Speaker 1: in all of that. And I think, you know, like
Speaker 1: that's what is the what is the saying? Um? And
Speaker 1: well I was gonna say that the saying of an
Speaker 1: idle mind is the devil's playground, but that doesn't really fit.
Speaker 1: I get. I think what I was more so saying
Speaker 1: is like what I feel like, when you have more
Speaker 1: time to wonder, um, your mind can can go maybe
Speaker 1: to places that it shouldn't so for me because I
Speaker 1: knew what I wanted to do, and I knew what
Speaker 1: I was holding on too, Like why why I couldn't
Speaker 1: let go of it? I don't think it would have
Speaker 1: been it would have been good for me. I would
Speaker 1: have wanted more time in the fantasy suites. That's what
Speaker 1: I would say. Well, well, when you put it that way,
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like it's hard for me now because
Speaker 1: of Brian, because I'm like, Okay, yeah, obviously I would
Speaker 1: love more time in the fantasy suites. But it's hard
Speaker 1: for me because like I don't I can I remember, Okay,
Speaker 1: go back to when you were on the Bachelor. It's
Speaker 1: hard for you as a contestant, wondering because you have
Speaker 1: so many days of Okay, what are they doing? What
Speaker 1: is he doing? Now? Did he fall from? Like what
Speaker 1: did they talk about? They had all this time where
Speaker 1: nobody else could be there? What was it like what
Speaker 1: we had? You wonder that and I just remember that's
Speaker 1: the most miserable week as a contestant. So now it's
Speaker 1: like that I'm with Brian, it's like, what I want
Speaker 1: to go back and do that to Brian, that's a
Speaker 1: good point. Yeah, that well said. And speaking of more time,
Speaker 1: we unfortunately we wish we could have more time to
Speaker 1: answer more of these questions, but hopefully we'll get around
Speaker 1: to it in the next couple of weeks. It's always
Speaker 1: fun kind of taking a walk down my reeling and
Speaker 1: I feel like every time we talk through these things,
Speaker 1: like new memories come up for both of us that
Speaker 1: were like, wait, what about this? And I remember feeling
Speaker 1: like this. So it's always a good time. So keep
Speaker 1: dming us your questions. We love to answer them when
Speaker 1: we have enough time. But we love you guys. So
Speaker 1: now it's actually time for our guests, because we need
Speaker 1: a bringer on. And like we said earlier, Jillian is
Speaker 1: one of the coolest people. She's a designer, she owns
Speaker 1: multiple multiple businesses, she's a mother and a soon to
Speaker 1: be wife. But on top of all that, she's also,
Speaker 1: like us, a former bachelorette, so she has a very
Speaker 1: soft place in our hearts. So please everybody welcome Gillian Harris.
Speaker 1: I mean, first let's just start like, how are you
Speaker 1: a great? Hey girl, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1: I appreciate. Just wait, I gotta just address this first,
Speaker 1: but back, you're in a nursery. Who's nursery are you in?
Speaker 1: Calling our Alice? It was like, people are probably gonna
Speaker 1: think that I'm pregnant. I'm in my nieces. She's hurting
Speaker 1: a year this week, so I'm back in the Midwest
Speaker 1: for her birthday. So it's my niece's bedroom, much cuter
Speaker 1: than my own. I should say, yeah, thank you my sister.
Speaker 1: My sister has like a fun, little quirky touch. So
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I'm like, we're talking
Speaker 1: about kids in a quit a second. I was so
Speaker 1: worried about where I was doing my podcast, but I
Speaker 1: could have really done it anywhere. You're in a nurse room.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, from our closet. Oh I love it. Hey,
Speaker 1: this is so so anyways, I'm good, but just first,
Speaker 1: I just gotta get through this. So you guys have
Speaker 1: been doing this podcast for like almost a year now
Speaker 1: or how. That's amazing. Yeah, it's going well, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's It's so great because we get to reminisce a lot,
Speaker 1: which is, you know, like we're gonna go down memory
Speaker 1: line with you, but we get to reminisce about our times.
Speaker 1: We get to connect with the fans because you don't
Speaker 1: normally get to do that, you know, when you're on
Speaker 1: a TV screen, Yeah, putting the show together, but you
Speaker 1: don't get to interact with fans. We've had fans come
Speaker 1: on the show and we get to talk to the
Speaker 1: future contestants and lead so it's like we all like
Speaker 1: we get to connect everyone. It's fantastic. This is this
Speaker 1: is my favorite having pass bacherettes like having you on.
Speaker 1: We always get so excited because we were talking about
Speaker 1: you know, we met you at the fifteen year Bachette
Speaker 1: where you mean last year, But it bonds us in
Speaker 1: such a way. So it's always fun to have any
Speaker 1: woman on that just is a go getter. But like
Speaker 1: you are just the epitome of a bachelorrette badass. Oh
Speaker 1: thank you. Yeah, but you girls too. You guys are
Speaker 1: doing so many amazing things, like you guys, you guys
Speaker 1: have so much going on, and I feel like that
Speaker 1: is something so cool when you're bonded by this group
Speaker 1: of people that listen, Like this life that we're doing
Speaker 1: isn't for everybody. So if you really do want to
Speaker 1: like detach and have a family, then you can do
Speaker 1: that and you're still a part of the group and
Speaker 1: you're still accepted and appreciated. But then also if you
Speaker 1: want to like release your own line of clothing or
Speaker 1: it was so sweet like a national television or if
Speaker 1: you want to have a public wedding. Private wedding doesn't
Speaker 1: really matter, but it does give you that opportunity, nitty
Speaker 1: to have that platform. And then I had these people
Speaker 1: that support you along the way and shure you along
Speaker 1: the way. Whatever your success looks like, it's so cool. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to ask you this. Speaking of success, Calin
Speaker 1: Bristow has talked about this, Like one bit of advice
Speaker 1: that I think you gave her when she came off
Speaker 1: the show was you know, find who you are, don't
Speaker 1: if you don't just want to be so and so
Speaker 1: the Bachelorette like find what like fills your soul and
Speaker 1: makes you you and go from there. So where did
Speaker 1: you find that spark? And then also plan on to that,
Speaker 1: like tell us everything that you are working on because
Speaker 1: it's a lot. So I think I actually go back
Speaker 1: to this story my very best friend Shannon, her mom.
Speaker 1: I went to I registered myself in school when I
Speaker 1: graduated to be a teacher. I wanted to be a
Speaker 1: French immersion teacher because I spoke French has a second language.
Speaker 1: I don't know anything yet at this point, but back
Speaker 1: and then I was like, to do with French? And
Speaker 1: she said to me, She's like, I just don't. She's like,
Speaker 1: of course, she's a psychologist. She wanted me to go
Speaker 1: off and be successful, and she's like, I just don't
Speaker 1: picture you doing that. I picture you with like a
Speaker 1: briefcase and like starting businesses and when you're young, when
Speaker 1: you're nineteen, you're like, but what does that mean that?
Speaker 1: I was almost offended because I felt like I knew
Speaker 1: what my path was, but other people were telling me
Speaker 1: I was wrong. And then when I was one of
Speaker 1: the bachelor, I was I got into restaurant design somehow.
Speaker 1: I did have some interior design background, but not a
Speaker 1: lot none in restaurants, but I just kind of like
Speaker 1: squeezed my way in there through basically like sales, Like
Speaker 1: I think that's always been my thing. I've always loved
Speaker 1: marketing and sales, but I just didn't know. I didn't
Speaker 1: know what that looked like on paper or in education,
Speaker 1: but that was always my thing. And I actually kind
Speaker 1: of got fired from that job because they told me
Speaker 1: that I just was a corporate enough and I remember
Speaker 1: my heart just being broken because I felt like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm going to be this established restaurant designer and all
Speaker 1: these people will respect me. And then I got fired
Speaker 1: based it was my personality, and my personality was it
Speaker 1: was weird, Like he just said, like, it just doesn't
Speaker 1: seem like you fit in with this corporate atmosphere. And
Speaker 1: I was so heartbroken. But he sat down the guy
Speaker 1: who owns a big company here in Canada called Tactus
Speaker 1: Club Cafe. It's like your version of UM Houston's and
Speaker 1: golf Stream. Does know that that group of restaurants Houston
Speaker 1: love existence, Yeah, very similar UM and similar success wise
Speaker 1: and Bibe wise and everything. And he said, I know
Speaker 1: you're really hurt right now, but I really feel like
Speaker 1: you are going to have a career in television. And
Speaker 1: I was like what And he was just your personality.
Speaker 1: He's like, it's too big for here, and I was
Speaker 1: just only was offended, like I was so offended, and UM.
Speaker 1: I remember crying home, going home and crying to my
Speaker 1: parents and saying like part of my language were like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck is that supposed to mean, you're supposed
Speaker 1: to go on TV, Like, how does somebody just get
Speaker 1: on TV? Okay, Richard does on TV right now? That's awesome,
Speaker 1: like really nice. And so I kind of lived with
Speaker 1: that shame for a few years of the fact that
Speaker 1: somebody let me go and they thought I was going
Speaker 1: to be a TV host, but of course everybody wants
Speaker 1: to be TV hos, like easier said than done. And
Speaker 1: then I decided I was watching, Um, what's the guy?
Speaker 1: I don't even know who he was, but he got
Speaker 1: engaged to the Lawless girl. She Shane Lawless. Her family
Speaker 1: is super like Hollywood and her dad is like a
Speaker 1: producer and she it was like I don't even know
Speaker 1: what season it was, but she's like blonde, big lips.
Speaker 1: She's actually has a big following on Instagram, which is
Speaker 1: funny because none of us. I think she doesn't want
Speaker 1: to be associated with the Bachelor anymore, but that was
Speaker 1: kind of her claim to fame. And I loved her
Speaker 1: dress and I remember thinking like, I need to apply
Speaker 1: on this show so that I can have a dress
Speaker 1: like that, like so weird, Like I don't know what
Speaker 1: I was thinking. Of course, I didn't want to get
Speaker 1: married and have kids, but it was I thought that
Speaker 1: she was like the cutest little button, and she encouraged
Speaker 1: me to apply on the show, but it said right
Speaker 1: on the right on the thing, American applicants only, like
Speaker 1: basically no Canadians. So I was like, I don't want
Speaker 1: to try anyways, like you never know, they might really
Speaker 1: like me. And so I got on The Bachelor, and
Speaker 1: it was so weird because I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this Richard guy was right like now it's happening, happening,
Speaker 1: Like how did that? Like somebody else manifested my dream?
Speaker 1: I didn't even manifest it right. But anyways, I have
Speaker 1: always been kind of the entrepreneurial spirit, Like as a kid,
Speaker 1: I always had businesses, I lead houses. I'm like Forrest Gump,
Speaker 1: like I've done every job. And then when I came
Speaker 1: off the show, I remember being so broken hearted because
Speaker 1: I knew in my heart of heart that Ed and
Speaker 1: I were not a good fit, but I just wanted
Speaker 1: that forever love. I'm gonna start crying so bad, and
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a mom was so bad. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm starting to cry again. And I remember feeling like
Speaker 1: that was never gonna happen. For me, and he's probably
Speaker 1: gonna hear this through a friend or a friend, but
Speaker 1: like he was really so douchey to me back then.
Speaker 1: He was not a good person to me, and so
Speaker 1: it just instead of me seeing it as like, oh,
Speaker 1: I know I deserve better than him, it was the
Speaker 1: opposite for me, like how does he not see that
Speaker 1: I have so much to offer? Like I just totally
Speaker 1: totally broke my heart. And I was very sick at
Speaker 1: that time, like mentally, I think I was like ninety
Speaker 1: six pounds and this is when Caitlin was coming off
Speaker 1: of the Bachelorette and oh no, sorry, no, I'm mixing
Speaker 1: up my timeline. But I just remember being so sick
Speaker 1: and feeling like I was never gonna find myself, and
Speaker 1: my family and friends just kept on reminding me of like,
Speaker 1: but what were you before that you now have this platform,
Speaker 1: in this opportunity to do whatever you want. And that
Speaker 1: is sort of like what fueled my fire to just go, Okay,
Speaker 1: I know this is going to happen for me eventually.
Speaker 1: I just need to focus on what I can control
Speaker 1: right now. And it was everything from like interior design
Speaker 1: to communicating to connecting people to creating, giving back to charities,
Speaker 1: storytelling all of that, and so now, um, you know,
Speaker 1: and then, of course I did. I did a thing
Speaker 1: for a while. You remember Extreme Makeover Home edition of US.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, And then I got offered like this, Um uh,
Speaker 1: what does that show? I did for seven years? Love
Speaker 1: It Realist at Vancouver was on HDTV. Um, I'm just
Speaker 1: like babbling. I'm writing to give you guys a chance
Speaker 1: to ask any questions. But here from you though. But
Speaker 1: while I was doing that, I did love it, but
Speaker 1: I felt like I didn't have my own voice. I
Speaker 1: felt like an actress. I felt like I showed up
Speaker 1: on set. I got my makeup done, which was the
Speaker 1: best part of the day, and then I just did
Speaker 1: what I was told. And even though it was great
Speaker 1: money and like a great opportunity, I felt like my
Speaker 1: energy was better used out there doing what I wanted
Speaker 1: to talk about, telling my story the way I wanted
Speaker 1: to tell it. And so after I had Leo and
Speaker 1: I was pregnant with Annie, and after seven seasons, and
Speaker 1: they asked me to come back, and I had no
Speaker 1: maternity leave with any of the kids. A maternity leave
Speaker 1: on Canadian standards is pretty awesome. So I probably have.
Speaker 1: I derobably did have Matt leave the American style, not
Speaker 1: Canadian style, and so I just kind of said, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to go back for any more seasons until
Speaker 1: I can just take a break and spend some time
Speaker 1: with the kids and grow my business. And so that's
Speaker 1: kind of where I am right now. And I'm just like, okay,
Speaker 1: now spending the last year being like, O, hey, what
Speaker 1: am I now that I'm not a TV host? What
Speaker 1: else can I do? And I'm sure that's what people
Speaker 1: want to hear because we know you, so we know
Speaker 1: you know, you have your presets, you have your books,
Speaker 1: like you have your Jillian box, Like tell us all
Speaker 1: those projects that you're working on right Okay, so yeah
Speaker 1: there isn't already I can't name them all. I'm like what, um, so, yes,
Speaker 1: the cookbook I'm released last October and I don't know
Speaker 1: if I'm just to say anything, but we are working
Speaker 1: on a second cookbook. Good yeah, yeah book, Thank you
Speaker 1: so much. Yeah. It was a labor of love, and honestly,
Speaker 1: I didn't know how it was going to do because
Speaker 1: they're your own recipes. They're like anybody gonna like the
Speaker 1: spaghetti sauce as much as me. So it actually did
Speaker 1: number one bestseller on Amazon for like two weeks, which like, like,
Speaker 1: we dedicated the whole book to my grandma, and she
Speaker 1: basically died a month before it went it went live.
Speaker 1: She shouldn't get to see that. But on our book tour,
Speaker 1: there was all these little sounds that she was there
Speaker 1: with us. Absolutely the cookbook and yes, the presets were
Speaker 1: super cool. We would always get people asking us how
Speaker 1: we edit our photos, and so we just decided to
Speaker 1: release the presets. And I know a lot of other
Speaker 1: influencers are doing that right now. So if you're listening
Speaker 1: and you're thinking of doing that, and you think you've
Speaker 1: got your own touched unreleasing presets, I would suggest it
Speaker 1: because it's been it's been fun to have a product
Speaker 1: that isn't an actual product, so you're not worried about
Speaker 1: like the environmental impact of somebody buying this product because
Speaker 1: there's no resources that goes into it. Accept your like
Speaker 1: and edging your brain right. And then also it allows
Speaker 1: your community to get creative and to want to capture
Speaker 1: memories and then to be artistic on their own, which
Speaker 1: I really loved instead of just selling them some thing,
Speaker 1: what is something that could feed their soul and get
Speaker 1: them creative again. And also, I mean it was a
Speaker 1: really good and financial mood for us, so allowed us
Speaker 1: to get an office and hire more people, a brainstorm
Speaker 1: about what our next thing was, and then the Jelly
Speaker 1: Box was born on the fact. So if just to
Speaker 1: give your run down, the Jelly Box is like a
Speaker 1: subscription box. It's a quarterly box, buildful full of like
Speaker 1: my favorite things, but also newly discovered things. We try
Speaker 1: to brought ourselves on the box, being like ninety eight
Speaker 1: percent plastic free. Most of our brands are either small
Speaker 1: brands or you know, like kind of my litmus test
Speaker 1: is like your company has to be at least one
Speaker 1: of the following, like a female owner operated, small brand
Speaker 1: Canadian either North American, made, eco friendly, giving back to
Speaker 1: a charity. Recently, my eyes were opened with everything that's
Speaker 1: been happening with Black Lives Matter, so really thinking about
Speaker 1: like a buypoc owned brand and LGBTQ own brand, brands
Speaker 1: that are owned by people with disabilities, so really thinking
Speaker 1: how to diversify that box as well. And we've just
Speaker 1: really been connected with some amazing brands and companies and
Speaker 1: women that way. And so the idea I thought was
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make five thousand boxes and hopefully I can
Speaker 1: sell all these boxes. But I just I guess I'm
Speaker 1: also just ramped it up so much over the year
Speaker 1: leading up to it. I didn't realize I had done
Speaker 1: that that when we went to go launch, there was
Speaker 1: like one hundred thousand people waiting the guys bogs and
Speaker 1: they were pissed. They were like, I'm seventy fift thousand
Speaker 1: in line. I'm never gonna get this box. And so
Speaker 1: then I was like, oh my god, I'm never going
Speaker 1: to be able to sell this many How if I'm planning,
Speaker 1: if I want this box in this business to be
Speaker 1: these high end items from these small brands. Some of
Speaker 1: these brands have never sold two hundred of their products,
Speaker 1: Like I'm let alone five thousand, one hundred thousand, Like
Speaker 1: they're never going to be able to like to sell
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand of something. It has to be mass produced, right,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's just not what I wanted this
Speaker 1: to be. Like, yeah, I'm sure I could be a
Speaker 1: multi millionaire overnight, but I want to go to bed
Speaker 1: at night knowing that I'm still helping up these small brands.
Speaker 1: I'm not contributing to the world imploding. And so we
Speaker 1: reached out to some of the brands who we are
Speaker 1: already working with on the next box to say, like,
Speaker 1: can you do ten thousand? Like is that? Can you
Speaker 1: do twelve thousand? So we're slowly trying to figure out
Speaker 1: how to support some of these smaller brands. And it's
Speaker 1: not all smaller brands, Like we have a product in
Speaker 1: the next box that's from Joe Fresh and so there
Speaker 1: stuff is made in overseaeas and but not. But the
Speaker 1: other seven products are small brands. Yeah. Yeah, So I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, I, I know we're going to ask
Speaker 1: you Bess direct questions, but you're so inspiring and I no, no, really,
Speaker 1: And you know one as a bacherette because you came
Speaker 1: before us, and so you paved a way for us,
Speaker 1: and you let us know what we can do and
Speaker 1: what we can be beyond just bachelorette, which is such
Speaker 1: a fear you have when you go into it. I
Speaker 1: remember when I came out, I was an attorney before,
Speaker 1: and I remember when I finished, I felt like I
Speaker 1: had lost my identity as an attorney. I was just
Speaker 1: known as the Black Bachelorette, and I felt as if
Speaker 1: I had to start over all over again, and I
Speaker 1: really did, especially venturing into a different industry. And I
Speaker 1: think people see us as strong and as independent, but
Speaker 1: there is a lot of fear that comes with it
Speaker 1: and it's very scary. And then one of the same
Speaker 1: being on the Bachelorette, like, oh yeah, but I came off.
Speaker 1: I remember having this conversation with Kelly Rippo, Bless her soul.
Speaker 1: I know she didn't mean to a famy, but she
Speaker 1: was like, oh you silly girl. Yeah, like she hates
Speaker 1: she hates smart. She loves to do those digs with us.
Speaker 1: But I think something like, you're talking about being an entrepreneur,
Speaker 1: and you're talking about your way and how you got
Speaker 1: to where you are. I myself have always wanted to
Speaker 1: be an entrepreneur, but I am terrified. Like Becca has
Speaker 1: a label, Yeah, Becca's working on other things. I have
Speaker 1: been terrified to start something. And I know I'm not alone,
Speaker 1: and I know that there are other people who are
Speaker 1: listening to this right now who have ideas but are
Speaker 1: can't get over that fear that they have. So what
Speaker 1: advice would you give to someone who is trying to
Speaker 1: like get started. And I know that maybe that's a
Speaker 1: loaded question, but maybe taking it from the beginning of
Speaker 1: how do you get started? How do you get over
Speaker 1: that fear I'm getting a pen because I'm taking notes here,
Speaker 1: selfish question. Yeah, I think I have like two or
Speaker 1: three really like concrete takeaways. NI is a famous quote
Speaker 1: by a Canadian hockey player Wayne Gretzky, and I think
Speaker 1: I've said it more than I am. I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: say Wayne, I'm sorry, it's my quote now. But if
Speaker 1: you miss, you just really do. And it's scary though,
Speaker 1: because that doesn't mean that every shot you take you're
Speaker 1: gonna score, right, So that is one thing. The other
Speaker 1: thing is just being okay with failure. Like we're talking
Speaker 1: about all my successes, but there were a lot of
Speaker 1: failures along the way. I fucked up a lot and
Speaker 1: had to like apologize to my following or like you know,
Speaker 1: I started a company called Charlie for ad Vintage, which
Speaker 1: was after The Bachelor, so I was able to use
Speaker 1: my audience. Technically I should have been so successful, but
Speaker 1: it was an epic fail. I lost all of my
Speaker 1: life savings. My cousin Tory lost all her life savings.
Speaker 1: Justin left me. At one point Tory just boke got divorced.
Speaker 1: Tory and I were like a man spade, like skinny
Speaker 1: and stressed out. She lost a like friendship basically over it.
Speaker 1: And so we don't talk about those things a lot.
Speaker 1: But it was like going to Harvard. I learned so
Speaker 1: much about business, and I've since had business ideas since,
Speaker 1: like the Jilly Box that I've learned about technology and
Speaker 1: marketing and what will work and what won't work. And
Speaker 1: back then it was a drop shipping model, which is
Speaker 1: a great idea, like that's what Wayfair and Amazon do.
Speaker 1: They drop ship, but we were drop shipping antiques. So
Speaker 1: you sell a teacup for twenty five dollars and then
Speaker 1: you do you basically in the end you're taking home
Speaker 1: like four bucks. It's just it's not and that's one item,
Speaker 1: so that you got to find another antique cup. So
Speaker 1: it just wasn't a good business model. But we failed
Speaker 1: and it was really hard on us. But you just
Speaker 1: have to get back on the is it get back
Speaker 1: on the horse or the horn or whatever horse, right,
Speaker 1: You're right, it would be really hard to get back
Speaker 1: up on it. I think you're good. Might be a
Speaker 1: good time. It might be a better time in the
Speaker 1: more size, I don't know, blows we'll make a vibration.
Speaker 1: One might be better than the other, but anyhow, and
Speaker 1: then the other one is um. Not everybody has this
Speaker 1: personality in them, but I get this from my mom
Speaker 1: and where I don't really have a strong sense of consequence.
Speaker 1: So I am one of those people that always gets
Speaker 1: parking tickets. I'm always running into things, like I'm always
Speaker 1: hurting myself, breaking things, dropping my phone in the ocean
Speaker 1: because I'm just kind of like, this is a great idea,
Speaker 1: this is gonna work out great, and then when it
Speaker 1: doesn't work out great, I'm like, oh, yeah, shit, that
Speaker 1: was a that was not a good idea. So I've
Speaker 1: made a lot of mistakes along the way, and I think,
Speaker 1: like even Rachel, for you, like I can just tell you,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure everybody listening, I'll tell you that whenever
Speaker 1: you your heart desires, when you go to do that,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now, it's going to be successful,
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be painful and it's going to be difficult.
Speaker 1: Like the jelly box is successful, but it's a giant
Speaker 1: pain in the ass, and it was so stressful, and
Speaker 1: I honestly at one point thought I was gonna have
Speaker 1: to like, this is not I'm not sugar coating this.
Speaker 1: I thought I was gonna have to go to hospital
Speaker 1: for like anxiety and like depression. Like I just was like,
Speaker 1: this is insane. But I created boundaries, I hired more people,
Speaker 1: I got strategic. I was like, I have to get
Speaker 1: through this, Like what is my option right now? Do
Speaker 1: I close up my business business and walk away? No,
Speaker 1: I just have to figure out how to make it
Speaker 1: work while taking care of my heart and my brain
Speaker 1: and my family. So I'm like, you just have to
Speaker 1: like figure it out. But whatever. I know it is scary,
Speaker 1: but I'm telling you it's going to be successful. And
Speaker 1: if it's not and you fail, there's going to be
Speaker 1: success in that failure. You're going to learn from that
Speaker 1: and you're going to do the next thing. That's such
Speaker 1: great advice. It's so important to talk about the failures.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you, Like, I mean, it might not
Speaker 1: be the most fun thing for you to talk about,
Speaker 1: but you're a success coming from it. And I think
Speaker 1: people need to hear that because you see the finished
Speaker 1: products and you think, oh, like they did it. It
Speaker 1: was easy out there and they don't see the bumps
Speaker 1: along the way. Yeah. Even today, like I came in
Speaker 1: five minutes late to work. It was a gong showdown here.
Speaker 1: I came upstairs, like there's all these walks, some stuff,
Speaker 1: like who's sending this stuff? What are we doing? This stuff?
Speaker 1: Isn't for somebody to help us do this with you guys?
Speaker 1: I got a podcast starting like two minutes. I'm tripped
Speaker 1: down the stairs. I'm like, I'm hungry. I'm like I'm
Speaker 1: from yesterday and I'm swearing in Justin's messaging. He's like,
Speaker 1: can you please respond to my text messages? I'm I can't.
Speaker 1: I can barely keep minding together. Okay, I seem like
Speaker 1: I would all together. But there's a lot of swearing
Speaker 1: of boson throughout the day. And but I sure like
Speaker 1: any of our moms out there hear this and it's
Speaker 1: so relatable. It's like you jumble forty thousand things at
Speaker 1: once and sometimes you're like, how the hell am I
Speaker 1: going to be able to get to the next spot
Speaker 1: or like get my mind right, and so like this
Speaker 1: is real, This is like, this is what people want
Speaker 1: to hear because they feel like they're not alone in it.
Speaker 1: And and like even for me, who's not a mom,
Speaker 1: and like my brain moves a million miles a minute
Speaker 1: and it's so frazzled. I'm like, Okay, I'm not the
Speaker 1: only one that like has those days or those moments,
Speaker 1: and they're like, what the hell? You know, it's it's
Speaker 1: good to hear. And also I think that as women,
Speaker 1: I mean, every every person is different. Like take my
Speaker 1: cousin Sam for example. She's just getting into the influencer
Speaker 1: business right now, but she has like hard boundaries. She
Speaker 1: doesn't like to be stressed out. She takes on one
Speaker 1: thing at a time, and she's not typically running around
Speaker 1: the gamaniac. Can you say, man yac? These days, I
Speaker 1: feel like there's a lot of words you can't say anyways.
Speaker 1: But I just like I look at her and I'm like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: I wish I was more like that. But then she
Speaker 1: looks at me for advice. But one thing I can
Speaker 1: say if there's any moms listening right now that are
Speaker 1: trying to juggle at all, even if you're not working,
Speaker 1: even if you're not an entrepreneur, is that there's some
Speaker 1: days where I'm running around like a chick in my
Speaker 1: head cut off, and I'm like, Okay, I still feel
Speaker 1: a sensor of energy and I'm still happy, and I
Speaker 1: can I know I can get through this day. But like,
Speaker 1: for example, yesterday we did a jellybox shoot and I
Speaker 1: felt flat and I felt lethargic and I felt fuzzy,
Speaker 1: and I just didn't feel inspiring. And I'm just like,
Speaker 1: how am I going to get through the rest of
Speaker 1: this month? We have such a busy month. How am
Speaker 1: I going to lead my team? How am I going
Speaker 1: to teach my kids something? How am I going to
Speaker 1: do this? And I just I went to bed last
Speaker 1: night after two glasses of wine and I was just spent.
Speaker 1: Like I went to I fell asleep for all the kids.
Speaker 1: And so I just want people that are listening to
Speaker 1: know that there's gonna be days where you feel like
Speaker 1: you're on top of the world, and there should be
Speaker 1: other days where you feel like a giant failure. And
Speaker 1: that's normal. That's totally normal, and everybody, I think it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter whether you're Oprah or whether you're me, or
Speaker 1: whether you're you, that's a normal feeling. And I think
Speaker 1: it is important to try to find balance in your
Speaker 1: life so you're not having those like big roller coasters.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's normal to have peaks
Speaker 1: and valleys. So this is turning into a therapy session.
Speaker 1: That's now too because this is so good for anyone
Speaker 1: to hear you best. You should be teaching those let's
Speaker 1: keep popping up on my instagrams and they keep popping
Speaker 1: up on y'alls I've seen like Robin Roberts, Seanda Rhymes,
Speaker 1: Jillian Harris. That's that's what's really I would I would
Speaker 1: tune into and I would pay big money for any
Speaker 1: type of class that you are running because I'm just like,
Speaker 1: for me personally, I'm not a creative person to so
Speaker 1: to hear you and see all the things that you're doing,
Speaker 1: it's like I could be taking That's what I'm literally taking.
Speaker 1: I was taking you out. Both of you women are
Speaker 1: so creative. You are a creative Yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: my brain as creativity can come in like so many
Speaker 1: different forms like creativity, like especially with your background and
Speaker 1: law m Rachel, like, your creativity could come in like
Speaker 1: business leadership or systems or like even finance or just
Speaker 1: negotiations and all that kind of stuff, Like you like,
Speaker 1: look at what you're doing with your with your label
Speaker 1: and everything's going on. Now you have a new sense
Speaker 1: of freedom which I never really got to talk about.
Speaker 1: We Hello, more time on your hands so you know
Speaker 1: I'm texting after this. Yeah, you use that energy and
Speaker 1: you use that like you use all that fire and
Speaker 1: all that inner to like serve yourself. And also like
Speaker 1: you start up being like what can I do to
Speaker 1: serve myself? And as you feel more confident, you grow
Speaker 1: than you realize you can serve others, whether it be
Speaker 1: through donating to charities or doing speaking engagements and sharing
Speaker 1: your story, or partnering with different brands that like speak
Speaker 1: to you and make you feel better about yourself. Like
Speaker 1: there's so many different ways with our platform that you
Speaker 1: can yeah, be successful, which is awesome. But the coolest
Speaker 1: part that I love is when you partner with brands
Speaker 1: and then they email you and say like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: we sold out all of our stuff like this may
Speaker 1: our whole year, Or when a fan reaches out to
Speaker 1: you and says thank you so much for sharing your
Speaker 1: story and going through a similar situation. Like, there's just
Speaker 1: so many cool things that we now have the opportunity
Speaker 1: to do because we have this audience and with all
Speaker 1: the ship that's going on in the world and you
Speaker 1: have people listening to us. We for our kids, we
Speaker 1: have to like, yes, we can have fun and talk
Speaker 1: about clothes and wine all that kind of stuff, but
Speaker 1: also there's an underlying message of just like being a
Speaker 1: good human being and like we have to be louder
Speaker 1: than those other people that are really being really loud
Speaker 1: right now, but to be louder than them so that
Speaker 1: we can change this climate for our kids and their future. Yeah, Okay, Julian,
Speaker 1: I feel like I could talk to you for hours
Speaker 1: and just pick your brain all things related to business
Speaker 1: and just creativity and just your path that you've taken
Speaker 1: because it was a little unconventional, which I think, you know,
Speaker 1: like there's no one path for anyone. So, like I said,
Speaker 1: I could talk to you about this for hours, but
Speaker 1: I also do want to pick your brain because I
Speaker 1: know that people are a going to wonder if you
Speaker 1: are going to be watching Claire Susan. But one thing
Speaker 1: before we get into that is Rachel and I were
Speaker 1: talking about just how things have changed for especially the
Speaker 1: bad storrets throughout the years and you know, early on,
Speaker 1: like especially with Trista, there was such a stigma around
Speaker 1: her being the one woman dating multiple men. And you know,
Speaker 1: we've seen to grow and evolved throughout the years, and
Speaker 1: so I felt like when I was finally bad sorrette,
Speaker 1: I didn't get that. I didn't get really any judgement.
Speaker 1: People were like, okay, you do you you just got
Speaker 1: your heartbroken, like go date those guys. But for you,
Speaker 1: how have you seen the show evolved since you were bad? Surette, Well,
Speaker 1: I know that when I first told my parents about it,
Speaker 1: you know, everybody was like, oh, really, is this what
Speaker 1: you're gonna do? Like my parents supported me, but I
Speaker 1: think everybody was very nervous, especially because it seemed like
Speaker 1: at that point I already kind of had an established
Speaker 1: career and anything. They were worried about what they would
Speaker 1: do to my career. And I think it was a
Speaker 1: little bit of a stakema to it back then, like
Speaker 1: like I would say earlier, like oh you silly girl,
Speaker 1: or oh you're gonna be sleeping with all these guys
Speaker 1: or making it with all these guys, which it's just
Speaker 1: so awesome in hindsight now that I'm I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that no girl would turn it down at this point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and now that I'm a one man woman, i'mlike, those
Speaker 1: were some good times back then, like being able to
Speaker 1: I wish I would have enjoyed it more in the moment,
Speaker 1: but anyways, Yeah, so there. I did feel insecure a
Speaker 1: little bit coming off of it, especially when my relationship
Speaker 1: didn't turn out with Ed. I just felt like, wow,
Speaker 1: can I not get a break and what is wrong
Speaker 1: with me? So Luckily my parents raised me to be
Speaker 1: entrepreneurial and I did like turn it into something positive.
Speaker 1: But now, I mean, the thing is, you go on
Speaker 1: the show. I think most people are going to show
Speaker 1: are single. But I know this whole like are you
Speaker 1: on the show for the right reason? Thing? That thing
Speaker 1: I don't I don't really understand because I would actually
Speaker 1: question people more if they really truly thought that they
Speaker 1: were going to find their forever love that way, Like
Speaker 1: you really are doing it for the experience, and your
Speaker 1: experience could be meeting new people, traveling, being exposed to
Speaker 1: the world, trying something scary, or you could fall in
Speaker 1: love and get married, but that shouldn't be your primary
Speaker 1: reason to go on there. Because I feel like you know,
Speaker 1: some of them have worked out, some of them have it.
Speaker 1: They're are no guarantees. And so when people like, for example,
Speaker 1: my season West, he was a country singer and everybody
Speaker 1: was like, he only went on to promote his career,
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, of course, of course he did. It
Speaker 1: sounds like a more recent season with Hanna b and Jed. Yes,
Speaker 1: I don't. Yeah, but you can still find love like
Speaker 1: him and I still developed in a really amazing friendship.
Speaker 1: I'm still friends with him. We had the best conversations,
Speaker 1: like I should have picked him, but there were some
Speaker 1: parts with him that were a little too rough around
Speaker 1: the edges for me, and I knew he would like
Speaker 1: probably cheat on me and break my heart whatnot. But
Speaker 1: we have the best connection. So just because you went
Speaker 1: on to promote yourself doesn't mean that's going to prevent
Speaker 1: you from having a connection with somebody. So and I
Speaker 1: think people that go on, you know, with hope and
Speaker 1: they're like, you know, it's going to be a fun adventure.
Speaker 1: We're gonna travel, I got to meet new people. Like,
Speaker 1: if anything, it's just a two month long vacation, you know,
Speaker 1: if it doesn't work out. But yeah, I think I
Speaker 1: think when people go in with such like their expectation
Speaker 1: as set of like I'm the one I'm going to
Speaker 1: fall in love, It's like you don't know that, you
Speaker 1: have no idea how the other person is and what
Speaker 1: kind of connection you're going to have. And so to
Speaker 1: just I like how the Bachelor curiaser is do you
Speaker 1: a really good job of making you believe that you
Speaker 1: are the only one for that person? Right now they're
Speaker 1: talking to all thirty girls, and all thirty girls are
Speaker 1: getting the same story of like he is looking for
Speaker 1: a girl just like you. So by the time you
Speaker 1: meet that person, you're like, well, of course they're gonna
Speaker 1: pick me, because that's that's how I what the conversations
Speaker 1: I've had for the last month, every girl is thinking
Speaker 1: the exact same thing and the same thing. Yeah, brilliant,
Speaker 1: it's so great. Did you, like I want to ask you, well,
Speaker 1: got so many questions towards the end when you were
Speaker 1: on the Bachelor with like, you know, one of many women,
Speaker 1: did you have that self sense of confidence where you like,
Speaker 1: you know, I got this in the bag, like this
Speaker 1: is it? Yeah? And then like, because I remember going
Speaker 1: into and you know, granted, things were very different on
Speaker 1: our season. But I went into that last day being like,
Speaker 1: there's no one else, It's me. I got this. I
Speaker 1: wasn't nervous at lastic because I was like, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is it. And now, looking back, because of the whole
Speaker 1: situation in switcher Roo, I'm like I shouldn't. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: should have like taken a step back and been like, ready,
Speaker 1: I'm not the only one here. Sober fresh mony where
Speaker 1: he kind of did basically with Jason did right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: except yes, yes, um, except for insteadneing on the final rows,
Speaker 1: he did it while you guys rowing your honeymoon happy couple.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, It's so funny because okay, two things. Yes, Um,
Speaker 1: I did think I had it in the bag because Molly,
Speaker 1: if you're listening to this, don't take offense. But it's okay.
Speaker 1: I think she'll understand. Back then, it was Melissa and
Speaker 1: Mollie and they were both basically fresh out of college.
Speaker 1: They were both really young. I did not think they
Speaker 1: were ready to be moms. Um and Jason had tie
Speaker 1: and I was like, a nit, I was so ready
Speaker 1: to be a mom. I already had an established career,
Speaker 1: I was older than the girls, so I just felt
Speaker 1: like he would have taken me more seriously, as like
Speaker 1: a mother and as somebody who I thought I was
Speaker 1: more mature at that time. But so I was like,
Speaker 1: when he picked Moissa, I was like, what, she's a baby,
Speaker 1: Like she's just a baby. She's just like I don't
Speaker 1: even didn't even like this sounds so bad. I love
Speaker 1: Melissa her friends now, but I was like, does she
Speaker 1: even have a job, Like does she even know but
Speaker 1: how to change a diaper? Like this is just so insane.
Speaker 1: And then when you switched to Molly, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, my mind is blown. But now that
Speaker 1: I see their relationships, like Molly and I are really
Speaker 1: good friends, and I find her to be one of
Speaker 1: the most consistent, levelheaded people I've ever met, and also
Speaker 1: like such a great articulate communicator. I really feel like
Speaker 1: I couldn't see how he would have felt so safe
Speaker 1: with her, because she's really careful about what she says
Speaker 1: and how she says it, and she's very certain of herself.
Speaker 1: She's got that level of confidence. And so watching like
Speaker 1: I actually just watched parts of his season back and
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, of course he picked of course, Like
Speaker 1: of course it makes sense. But back then it didn't
Speaker 1: make sense to me because I didn't know the girls
Speaker 1: that well. Right, I don't even myself in my relationship
Speaker 1: with him. But sorry, just another thing about Ed, as
Speaker 1: when Ed and I were on our Happy couple, I
Speaker 1: always felt uneasy. I always felt like I never knew
Speaker 1: what was going on behind the scenes. I felt like
Speaker 1: he had a secret life. I felt like he was
Speaker 1: always hiding his phone. I didn't think he was being
Speaker 1: perfectly transparent to my entire relationship with Ed. I always
Speaker 1: felt like he was hiding something and he was like
Speaker 1: halfway through our relationship, I was finding he would go
Speaker 1: to like land saying Michigan for like a work trip,
Speaker 1: and then he'd get back and find messages on his
Speaker 1: phone and said, like come to the hot job, I'll
Speaker 1: show you my awesomeness, and like he was texting several girls.
Speaker 1: Sometimes he would come home at like four or five six,
Speaker 1: like it was. It honestly broke my heart because I
Speaker 1: truly just want it to work out so bad and
Speaker 1: it was just like the most got wrenching, heartbreaking thing ever.
Speaker 1: And I now look back to our happy couple weekend.
Speaker 1: I should have saw the signs, but I didn't want
Speaker 1: to fail again like me. And then this happened to
Speaker 1: add and I was like, oh my god, this is
Speaker 1: so embarrassing, Like yeah, I mean, and that's the thing
Speaker 1: I think, just for women to like trust your gut
Speaker 1: if there's something off and you can't shake it. Like
Speaker 1: we're much more intuitive than I think sometimes we even realize.
Speaker 1: And so I get that, um, oh, something you just
Speaker 1: said about I'm sorry, I left my train of thought.
Speaker 1: And now, oh you were speaking of, you know, obviously
Speaker 1: watching Jason season that replayed during the Greatest of All Time?
Speaker 1: Did you watch most of those the Goat episodes back? No?
Speaker 1: Actually that was the only episode I watched. Is the
Speaker 1: one that I've been in. I got a level with
Speaker 1: you guys. I mean, for moms out there who are
Speaker 1: watching The Bachelor still, I still cannot understand how you
Speaker 1: can like wake up at five in the morning, do
Speaker 1: everything with the kids, work all day, come home, make dinner, clean,
Speaker 1: have your gossil, and put the kids to bed and
Speaker 1: then sit and watch TV Like I fall asleep every
Speaker 1: night thirty and then next morning I get up and
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh man, I did it again. So I
Speaker 1: haven't been able to tune in to many Bachelor episodes
Speaker 1: because I just simply can't stay away yet. And I
Speaker 1: even like listening to podcasts and reading, like I'm like,
Speaker 1: where can I find the time to do this? But
Speaker 1: Clara's season I'm especially excited about because she is older
Speaker 1: and I think more mature. So I think the biggest
Speaker 1: thing is this is if she did buying love to
Speaker 1: make that as your main priority and my main priority.
Speaker 1: This sounds about it when people are going to hate
Speaker 1: me for this comment, but my main priority isn't like
Speaker 1: make sure you make this work. That's so what I
Speaker 1: mean is really dive deep into that because a relationship
Speaker 1: is clearly unconventional. So really like Ed and I actually
Speaker 1: did go to like some therapy sessions, I think because
Speaker 1: we were really struggling with our communication. So really like
Speaker 1: dive deep into your heart, like is this truly the one?
Speaker 1: How do you know that? Are there signs? Are their
Speaker 1: red flags? And if you're continent of everything is coming
Speaker 1: up like a ding ding ding ding ding like this
Speaker 1: is awesome, then you go for that. And then from
Speaker 1: a career standpoint, where is there room? Is there any
Speaker 1: room or space to on top of that, like how
Speaker 1: does your fiance or a partner feel about you now
Speaker 1: now that you've got the relationship, how does that person
Speaker 1: feel that now that you could monetize or take this
Speaker 1: experience to your favor career wise, if you want to
Speaker 1: do that, because a lot of people back in the
Speaker 1: day would say, just focus on the relationship. Don't get
Speaker 1: caught up in trying to be like rich and famous
Speaker 1: or whatever. But I do think that you can do both.
Speaker 1: If you love this person and he loves you, and
Speaker 1: your relate the foundation of your relationship is strong. Should
Speaker 1: be still room to succeed. There should be no reason
Speaker 1: why your success and your business should destroy the relationship.
Speaker 1: So a lot of right, a lot of people are like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: she wanted to go and dancing with the stars, but
Speaker 1: she should just be focusing on that she's engaged. Well,
Speaker 1: guess what she can do both? Why can't? Well? And
Speaker 1: men can? Men have been taught to do both, so
Speaker 1: why can't women? It's just yeah, you just need to
Speaker 1: know what your priorities are, especially coming from a TV
Speaker 1: show like no is it your relationship? Is it? Capitalizing
Speaker 1: on your success in your career like what is it?
Speaker 1: And find that happy balance. So you speak of success
Speaker 1: because you are one of, like I've said, the most
Speaker 1: successful women that I know. You know, career wise, but
Speaker 1: you also have two beautiful children and amazing fiance, which
Speaker 1: I want to talk about because we saw you just
Speaker 1: get re engaged. Yeah, so was that was that plan?
Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit about that. So we have,
Speaker 1: we got engaged. So our whole relationship has been very unconventional.
Speaker 1: First of all, Justin is like ten years younger than me.
Speaker 1: I actually when I met Chested had given up. I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, I'm starting to find my success as
Speaker 1: a human. I'm starting to enjoy my alone time. I
Speaker 1: had guys in every area code and I was proud
Speaker 1: of it, Like I'm not. I don't I'm not ashamed
Speaker 1: of that type of my life at all, because I
Speaker 1: was just confident in myself. I had a boyfriend in
Speaker 1: like Holland, one in Hollywood while I'm here and Holland, Holland.
Speaker 1: Yeah you and men in different countries. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: love it. And I was confident in myself. I had
Speaker 1: really strong boundaries. My friends came first, my family came first.
Speaker 1: I came first, and I just was kind of doing
Speaker 1: my own thing, and I had kind of given up,
Speaker 1: and I honestly, honestly thought, Okay, when I get to
Speaker 1: be I was thirty two, when I get to be
Speaker 1: like thirty six, I'm gonna do the artificial instamination. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have babies on my own, and whenever it happens
Speaker 1: for me a relationship, it happens for me. And I
Speaker 1: met Justin in the line at a bar and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, he is cute. I'm like these ten
Speaker 1: years younger than me, I'm like this like a black widow.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is my next victim. And we
Speaker 1: started chit chatting, and he was actually so I could
Speaker 1: tell that he was raised well. You know when you
Speaker 1: talk to somebody and they're just really raised well and
Speaker 1: I talk, you just know when you communicate with them
Speaker 1: that they've got a good heart. And normally what I
Speaker 1: would do with a nice guy like that as normally
Speaker 1: I would sabotage it before the first date. I would
Speaker 1: be like, oh, he's too nice, or he's like I
Speaker 1: was going for the bad guy, because I knew if
Speaker 1: I went for the bad guy, I knew how to
Speaker 1: handle them, and I already set myself up for failure.
Speaker 1: And I just didn't want to get my heart broken again.
Speaker 1: And then so I just I was basically self sabotaging
Speaker 1: myself the whole time in terms of a relationship. But
Speaker 1: that's all I knew. By the way leaving up to
Speaker 1: ed most of the guys I dated were like not
Speaker 1: good guys, not honest guys. Like I did date a
Speaker 1: few good guys, but not a lot of them. So
Speaker 1: when I met Justin and then I found out he
Speaker 1: was like twenty three and I was thirty two, and
Speaker 1: I was like, what am I going to do? Like
Speaker 1: I don't have babies and you're not ready to babies
Speaker 1: at twenty three, Like this is a disaster. But we
Speaker 1: dated for a good four years and I was going
Speaker 1: to be turning thirty six, and I said, like I
Speaker 1: would talked about engagement a lot, but I think he
Speaker 1: just we had a really rough relationship, to be honest,
Speaker 1: I think because of our age difference and also the
Speaker 1: difference in our career, like where we were in our
Speaker 1: own I think he was he came from a post
Speaker 1: in a boarding background, but then he quit, so he
Speaker 1: felt like he was always the famous one that had
Speaker 1: this crazy career and then he quit that and then
Speaker 1: he's with this girl, and everybody's oh, Jillian this, Jillian that,
Speaker 1: and he was sort of like, as a man, where
Speaker 1: do I stand. So we really struggled with in our relationship,
Speaker 1: and I think that's why we never got engaged, because
Speaker 1: I think we were both like, I don't know if
Speaker 1: we're going to get through this. Yeah, And so one
Speaker 1: day I said to him like, honestly, like I know
Speaker 1: you haven't proposed yet, but do you think I'm the
Speaker 1: one that you're gonna have babies with? And he was
Speaker 1: like yes, And I'm like, because my clock is ticking,
Speaker 1: which means your clock is ticking. So we're going to
Speaker 1: make a decision that sorry, sorry, kind of made a decision.
Speaker 1: When I turned thirty six, we start trying. But like
Speaker 1: months before my thirty sixth birthday, it happened and we
Speaker 1: got pregnant. And I think he as like a traditional
Speaker 1: he's UM's family's Catholic, Catholic, Catholic. Yeah, And I think
Speaker 1: Justin was like, shit, I should have proposed first. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I didn't like pregnant. Now there's no one back now.
Speaker 1: I think that always kind of bugged him, like, shit,
Speaker 1: she's right, I should have proposed first, Like it's okay,
Speaker 1: Like there's no right a wrong way to do this.
Speaker 1: And so when Leo was about eight months was Christmas,
Speaker 1: so no August. I've worked over five months old um
Speaker 1: justin proposed um and we just have been I've been.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's terrified of having a wedding, but
Speaker 1: he also is not going to plan a wedding. I
Speaker 1: know he will. I am terrified. I just I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think I'm just it seems like such a thing
Speaker 1: I've been waiting to do my whole life that I
Speaker 1: feel like, no matter what, it sounds so weird, but
Speaker 1: I'm scared I'm going to disappoint myself, like I don't know, well,
Speaker 1: and you know, like you are so creative, so I'm
Speaker 1: sure the ideas that you had in your brain years
Speaker 1: ago have changed. And you're also juggling like a thousand
Speaker 1: and fourteen different things right now, so you know it'll come.
Speaker 1: And I mean, I'm sure me everyone included will want
Speaker 1: to follow along and see yading looks like because it's
Speaker 1: going to be stunny, like that's just it's gonna regardless,
Speaker 1: like it's gonna be like like our weddings was to
Speaker 1: be last August and when coronavirus happened and we had
Speaker 1: to cancel, I was like, oh my god, like there's
Speaker 1: all these all yeah, there was all these guys that
Speaker 1: were so devastated, and I was like, thank God, I
Speaker 1: haven't gone to the gym. I had no idea from
Speaker 1: was catering. We hadn't even sent out saved the dates,
Speaker 1: and it was like five months before our wedding. Like
Speaker 1: I just couldn't. I just couldn't pull it out together.
Speaker 1: But anyways, so how I got re engaged was when
Speaker 1: I want to go try and wedding dresses in Vancouver.
Speaker 1: I went to a see our jeweler to pick out
Speaker 1: wedding bands and they noticed I had a diamond missing,
Speaker 1: so they were like, leave us your ring and I
Speaker 1: left them my grandma's wedding band as well to get
Speaker 1: polished up and fixed up before the wedding. So they
Speaker 1: sent it back to us. And it was when coronavirus
Speaker 1: first started and life was very katotic at home. We
Speaker 1: didn't have childcare, but I was still working. We weren't
Speaker 1: bringing packages inside the house and it was a day
Speaker 1: where I think a lot of jelly box packages were
Speaker 1: coming in a lot of like approval stuff, and so
Speaker 1: I had all these boxes on our front port and
Speaker 1: I had gone to the FedEx guy a few times,
Speaker 1: and I think I was drinking rose. I had a
Speaker 1: couple of hosses of wine. So I just went and
Speaker 1: I had the kids, and the kids were screaming, the
Speaker 1: dogs were barking. I was on phone call and I'm
Speaker 1: going through these packages, and our landscaper had stopped by,
Speaker 1: and I know that I was anxious about her being
Speaker 1: in the yard with coronavirus. I was like trying to
Speaker 1: keep the kids away from her and like should she
Speaker 1: be here? And I kind of said to where I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know what, it's a weird week, Like let's just
Speaker 1: not do this for a while. And she was about
Speaker 1: to leave and she said, do you want me to
Speaker 1: take your your recycling to the recycling depot? And I
Speaker 1: was like yes, because Justin is a big germophobe. So
Speaker 1: I knew Justin wasn't going to be going to the
Speaker 1: recycling depoacher in the pandemic, and I wanted to get
Speaker 1: rid of all this cardboard. So I started taking a
Speaker 1: bunch of boxes and shoving it, shoving them into boxes,
Speaker 1: and so I the ring, from what I know now,
Speaker 1: was in a FedEx box. I know it wasn't stolen
Speaker 1: because it didn't even sail on it. That it was
Speaker 1: from a jeweler. It was the guy's name, and it
Speaker 1: was a small box, Like why would somebody? It was
Speaker 1: like yeah, but it wasn't in in a heavy ring box.
Speaker 1: It was just in like a smaller like paper box
Speaker 1: or cardboard books, and so it felt empty. And I
Speaker 1: remember like now going back, once I realized what happened,
Speaker 1: I missed my steps. So then ten days later, I
Speaker 1: said to them, where's the ring? Like, I still haven't
Speaker 1: received my ring. You guys said you were sending it
Speaker 1: two weeks ago. It should be here by now, and
Speaker 1: they were like, oh, yeah, you signed for it on
Speaker 1: such and such a date, and I'm like, I didn't
Speaker 1: receive it. And so we tore the house apart. And
Speaker 1: then I went back into like Justinili and I went
Speaker 1: and looked at my calendar and I was like, that
Speaker 1: was the day that all those packages came, and then
Speaker 1: it was too late. We had like we called all
Speaker 1: the recycling depots. We went down there, but they were like,
Speaker 1: our stuff gets processed and then gets put on a
Speaker 1: boat and it's probably on his way to like Thailand
Speaker 1: or wherever in your grandma's room was in it too, Yeah,
Speaker 1: crushes my heart. Well, I mean silver lining if anything
Speaker 1: out of that stories you got another one, another ring.
Speaker 1: So we were devastated because that was the ring. That
Speaker 1: was the ring, and it's my grandma's ring. And that's
Speaker 1: kind of why a lot of people didn't agree that
Speaker 1: I asked Justin to repropose. They were like, you'd lost
Speaker 1: the ring, you should have reproposed. But Justin is very
Speaker 1: traditional and he wanted this ring to feel just as
Speaker 1: special as a lost ring. Trying to cry, he was like,
Speaker 1: I don't want you to look at this ring as
Speaker 1: the replacement ring. I want you to look at this
Speaker 1: ring as like another special moment. And it doesn't take
Speaker 1: that much to repropose and show somebody you love them like.
Speaker 1: It can be something that is a heartbreaking thing, but
Speaker 1: you can turn it back into a beautiful moment and
Speaker 1: if you really do love that person, what's the harm
Speaker 1: and showing them all over again that you want them
Speaker 1: to marry you again. So I agree, I agree, And
Speaker 1: so you just see the right words. That's all you
Speaker 1: need is the right words, maybe a second ring, who knows,
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, well I love that story. I can't
Speaker 1: wait to be justin because he sounds just like such
Speaker 1: a stand up guy. But before we have to let
Speaker 1: you go, I don't want I don't want you to leave.
Speaker 1: I would just want to keep picking your brain. But
Speaker 1: I just want to because I feel like our listeners
Speaker 1: are just gonna love you and they're gonna want to
Speaker 1: see more of you. So where can we see? Where
Speaker 1: can they find you? Your site? Everything, so they can,
Speaker 1: you know, fall in love with you? Like, oh, yes,
Speaker 1: thank you beca. I appreciate that, and honestly, this has
Speaker 1: been so awesome. In fact, when I was sitting down,
Speaker 1: I had to look at the clock and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: how come we're not drinking wine like they know? And
Speaker 1: thirties a little early for me. I probably would have
Speaker 1: done eleven thirty. So if we do a follow up interview,
Speaker 1: let's do it in the afternoon so we can have
Speaker 1: some wine. Yes, if nothing else, I'm gonna FaceTime you
Speaker 1: and we're going to do that, yeah, anytime. You So
Speaker 1: thank you so much for allowing me to plug myself Instagram.
Speaker 1: I think is where my stories I think is where
Speaker 1: I'm most raw and real and screwing up left, right
Speaker 1: and center. In fact, if you go on follow me
Speaker 1: on Instagram right now, hopefully it's not expired. I should
Speaker 1: save it to my highlights. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: saw yesterday, but I tried to do a beautiful picture
Speaker 1: of me and a waterfall on this occasion, and I
Speaker 1: was trying to, like, you know, instagrammers and the waterfall.
Speaker 1: That hair's wet and they look so sexy. Anyways, I
Speaker 1: gotta I'm gonna send it to you and you can
Speaker 1: maybe share it somehow on your guys' thing. I did
Speaker 1: a side by side of how mind turned note and
Speaker 1: it's just so bad, Like I'm wearing a white bathing
Speaker 1: suit and you can like see my camel toe, my ariola,
Speaker 1: like my face, I look so I've got a double chin.
Speaker 1: It's just so nasty. And I just side by side
Speaker 1: with this other blogger that I follow, like how to
Speaker 1: do it and how not to do it. So definitely
Speaker 1: it's not still on there. I'm trying to find it.
Speaker 1: Oh miss, please send it to me. Yes. So my
Speaker 1: instant stories are, I think, are where to follow me best.
Speaker 1: My website is Jillianhairs dot com and we do lots
Speaker 1: of um, lots of recipes. We're always collaborating with different influencers,
Speaker 1: different educators. We do a lot of charity work on
Speaker 1: the website. The jelly box is cool. It's kind of
Speaker 1: hard to get your hands on one, but you can
Speaker 1: follow over there. And just taking all the small businesses
Speaker 1: that we're partnering with whatnot and the cookbook cook I
Speaker 1: love the cookbook. I love it and it's it's beautiful.
Speaker 1: It has some amazing recipes in it. So yes, I
Speaker 1: highly highly recommend. But Jillie, it was so fun to
Speaker 1: have you. Thank you. I feel like this has been
Speaker 1: a good part walk down memory lane, part therapy session,
Speaker 1: part business consulting, like all of the things wrapped up
Speaker 1: into one. So thank you for joining us on our
Speaker 1: happy hour. We love you. We have to have you back.
Speaker 1: I would love to come back. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: You guys, I'm so excited that everybody else got to
Speaker 1: experience Jillian because she's from a different bachelorette era, but
Speaker 1: and we got to know her at the reunion and thereafter.
Speaker 1: But people are understanding why she was the bachelorette, why
Speaker 1: she's accomplished all that she has and why she's so
Speaker 1: freaking fantastic. She truly is, I want to say, jack
Speaker 1: of all trades. She's doing it all. She but like
Speaker 1: just her charisma and kindness, Like you can really hear
Speaker 1: that when you anytime I talk to her, I just
Speaker 1: feel like I'm floating kind of because she's just so
Speaker 1: positive and she's crushing it. So I mean also too,
Speaker 1: I want to say, if you guys don't follow her
Speaker 1: on Instagram, check her out because her page is beautiful,
Speaker 1: like you can get her presets. Like just she's just
Speaker 1: doing it all. And to this day, Rachel, we're still
Speaker 1: in our bachelor group chat. We still are like, when
Speaker 1: can we go to Jillian's and have like another bachelorte
Speaker 1: reunion without the cameras, just us girls on the lake
Speaker 1: in Canada. So that still has to be planned because
Speaker 1: because that's eks happening. She lives in the middle of nowhere,
Speaker 1: she said, She's not like in a big city. You
Speaker 1: know what I love to since you mentioned the bachelortte chats,
Speaker 1: what I also love is we'll be talking about something,
Speaker 1: you know, like gossiping, and Jillian's like, what why did
Speaker 1: that happen. Yeah, should you're taking over the world, like right,
Speaker 1: like you are literally Oprah slash Mark the Steward all that.
Speaker 1: So it's like, we get it, we'll update you. But
Speaker 1: I love how she's like, where have I been? Oh?
Speaker 1: It never fails, whatever the news is. That's her response. Yes,
Speaker 1: she's so funny. But also I want to say, like,
Speaker 1: maybe we'll have a good place to go in November
Speaker 1: depending on how things turn out. So listen, there's several
Speaker 1: there's several trips floating around in the Bachelorette group chat
Speaker 1: to do, so one of these is gonna stick for sure.
Speaker 1: You guys, We truly truly hope you enjoyed that interview,
Speaker 1: and we're really gonna love going down this journey with
Speaker 1: former bachelorettes because we want you to get to know
Speaker 1: them the same way that we did. We want him.
Speaker 1: We also want you to see how they paved the
Speaker 1: way for us and are the reason that we became
Speaker 1: the Bachelorette and they set such a great example for us.
Speaker 1: And I also love that they're from a different error
Speaker 1: when it doesn't seem to be as influenced by social media.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, the stakes just seem to be
Speaker 1: just a little bit different. So anyways, we hope you
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