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Speaker 1: The US Navy defeated a large scale attack by Iranian

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Speaker 1: twenty eight drones in just four hours. Days earlier, the

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Speaker 2: How's our deterrence going?

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Speaker 3: The largest attack over the weekend since this whole thing

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Speaker 1: Senthcom Commander General Eric Krilla, just back from the region

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Speaker 1: told Congress Iran is not second guessing backing proxies.

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Speaker 2: Iran is undeterred in support to the Huthies.

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Speaker 1: They're undeterred and their support to am Hezbala, their support

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Speaker 3: Iran's completely undeterred supporting the proxies. And then when I

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Speaker 3: see the headline over the weekend won thousand US troops

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Speaker 4: To discuss that hot spot and several others, please welcome

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Speaker 4: Mike Lyons, the Shocian and military analyst Mike.

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Speaker 2: It's always a pleasure. How are you.

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Speaker 5: Hey, Good morning guys. Great to be back.

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Speaker 3: I feel like I'm not hearing anybody ask this question anywhere.

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Speaker 3: Maybe there's an obvious reason. I'm just an idiot, but

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Speaker 3: we're sending a thousand troops to build a port and Gaza.

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Speaker 3: Why wouldn't we be a target if we're a target

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Speaker 6: No, no question, They're going to be a target. And

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Speaker 6: this is I'm finding it a polarizing issue with other

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Speaker 5: That's where it's coming from. Of all things.

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Speaker 6: It's not something that the Navy does. But Ak Dearborn

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Speaker 6: it's heading to the Middle East right now, and the

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Speaker 6: It's a joint command that the Army and Navy will

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Speaker 6: force for it, so it will take a few months

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Speaker 6: analysts I think are conflicted is it will create a

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Speaker 6: big target. It could be similar to what happened in

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Speaker 6: No, I think from analysts just trying to figure out

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Speaker 6: whereas there's probably people in the military that don't think

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Speaker 6: The military has the salute and obey the mission. I'm

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Speaker 6: But also this is kind of a classic small boat

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Speaker 4: And it's easy for Americans to forget that Hezbola is

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Speaker 4: Wow, So it's going to be a manufactured road out

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Speaker 3: So I just don't understand what if there if a

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Speaker 6: Remains to be seen, and it will be a tremendous

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Speaker 4: Military industrial complex, if you will, is much more capable

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Speaker 6: haven't done it in what eighty years? Haven't done it

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Speaker 2: Any other thoughts on Ukraine before we let you go?

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Speaker 6: No, I think that the longer we wait to get

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Speaker 6: And without trying to sound chicken too much like chicken little,

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Speaker 4: CNN Military analyst Mike Liines, Mike, thanks so much for

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Speaker 2: Good to talk to you.

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Speaker 5: Thanks guys, things for me, Armstrong and Getty