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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of My Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Nol. They called

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Speaker 1: me Bed, and we are joined as always with our

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Speaker 1: super producer Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly,

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Speaker 1: you are you. You are here, and that makes this

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Speaker 1: the stuff they don't want you to know. It's time, folks,

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Speaker 1: for some strange news. Now we comb through the forums,

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Speaker 1: the dark corners of the Internet. We try to bring

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Speaker 1: you things you might not have heard about or talk

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Speaker 1: about them in a way that the normal media isn't

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Speaker 1: really approaching. So, of course, Uh, one of the most

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Speaker 1: hazardous occupations right now is uh to be a Russian oligarch.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about that. Uh. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of power and danger in knowledge. We're gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: a guy who was very offended by that. He's angry

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Speaker 1: at He's angry at the dictionary basically, uh. And then

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Speaker 1: we're also gonna answer the question, what do you get

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Speaker 1: the man who has literally everything as all the stuff.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean is maybe his birthdays coming up.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he just wants to get something nice for himself.

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Speaker 1: He can't get him a camel like he would all

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Speaker 1: you just have as many camels as he wants. I propose,

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Speaker 1: just get him one more thing, even even if it's redundant.

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Speaker 1: You guys, then he has doubles, and then maybe he

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Speaker 1: gets triples are safe. They're they're best. That's true. Triples

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Speaker 1: is best. Triples are saying, even one to Mary, she's

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Speaker 1: I think you should leave. Uh, we're talking about We're

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Speaker 1: talking about Elon Musk and Twitter. Unless you have been

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Speaker 1: purposely trying to avoid that story. He recently into the

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Speaker 1: announced today as we record April two, THOWO bottom out

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Speaker 1: for forty five billion dollars. Uh. You do you guys

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Speaker 1: in that would have diluted his shares. There any number

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Speaker 1: But it seems like the board of Twitter decided to

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Speaker 1: play ball sotty. Soon it will be a must run platform. First,

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Speaker 1: before we get into the details, we want to set

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Speaker 1: some basics, and I think it's helpful for us all

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Speaker 1: what's your initial take for it? Against it? Does it matter?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I just don't care for the guy. He

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Speaker 1: to add that detail, how did he even find out?

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Speaker 1: It's a good question. Must have been a bobby of

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Speaker 1: his just checking out the updated editions of the dictionary.

431
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Speaker 1: And that's when I was, wait a minute, what's this fly?

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Speaker 1: It's interesting to me that he was using that comment

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Speaker 1: section of I guess the dictionary to make anonymous posts.

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Speaker 1: So this person probably believed that he would never be identified.

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Speaker 1: If this was in fact him making these posts hasn't

436
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Speaker 1: been proven in a court of law yet, but you know,

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Speaker 1: this person also allegedly made I think an anonymous Twitter

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Speaker 1: account or something that they made. Then, Yeah, it was

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Speaker 1: an anonymous Twitter account called a nony mouse or non

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Speaker 1: emos or something like that, and was sending more I

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Speaker 1: guess you had. He had to use Twitter in order

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Speaker 1: to make comments and other things. So it's just like

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Speaker 1: if if if Musk had his way and everybody was verified,

444
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Speaker 1: this guy would have been we got you can't say

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Speaker 1: those things. You get a fine or you know now

446
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: we're watching you, or you know you're in trouble, and

447
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Speaker 1: we know it for sure. We don't have to go

448
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Speaker 1: through a court system like this to like prove it

449
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: in a court of law. We know it, you're verified,

450
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 1: you typed it. Well, I I gotta say that. I mean, like,

451
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Speaker 1: you know, at what point can you chalk it up

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Speaker 1: to dark humor or like just obscenely black, you know,

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Speaker 1: sardonic humor like in this Johnny Depp Amber heard case,

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Speaker 1: Like Johnny Depp was quoted some of his tweets or

455
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Speaker 1: not tweets rather text about Amber heard saying I hope

456
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Speaker 1: that sea words rotting corpse gets found in the trunk

457
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Speaker 1: of a Hyundai Sonata or something like that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: is that a threat or is he just being and

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Speaker 1: using like really dark, gnarly humor. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: the question of humor is very um, it's very subjective.

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Speaker 1: I guess maybe the issue here comes with the repetition

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Speaker 1: and the specificity. Yeah, and the fact that there's you

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Speaker 1: know you okay. First off, pretending something is humorous is

464
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Speaker 1: an agel tactic of the abusive and bullies. Uh they're

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Speaker 1: not very intelligent more as creative people, so they don't

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Speaker 1: change their tactics very often. So it's you know, it's

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Speaker 1: the idea of saying, oh, I'm just kidding. In those

468
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Speaker 1: kind of cases, your question has to be really because

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Speaker 1: usually humor has some kind of humorous aspect to it

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Speaker 1: or some sort of punchline to it. Right, not to

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Speaker 1: be you know, the Emperor of jokes or anything. But

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Speaker 1: I've heard a few of my time, and the one

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Speaker 1: the ones that work are actually kind of humorous, dark humor.

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Speaker 1: Total other thing. Uh, And I agree with your point,

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Speaker 1: like there can be aligned with dark humor. I think

476
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Speaker 1: we all love dark humor. Uh, most people in two

477
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Speaker 1: just kind of accept that as the normal humor these days.

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Speaker 1: But I would say with the Johnny Depp comparison, doesn't

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Speaker 1: part of the question chinge on the verb usage, like

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Speaker 1: I hope this happens is that is not saying someone

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Speaker 1: go do this or I'm going to do this. You know,

482
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Speaker 1: in the irony of this is it all comes down

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Speaker 1: to the power of words, doesn't it, Like how seriously

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Speaker 1: should we take words? You could argue not that seriously.

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Speaker 1: It's only words. It doesn't really become real until it

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Speaker 1: becomes a deed. And the police will even tell you

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Speaker 1: that for the most part, Like if you're freaked out

488
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Speaker 1: by somebody and you think they're they're like stalking you

489
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Speaker 1: because they they're sending you too many messages on the

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Speaker 1: Internet or something, and they haven't actually said I'm going

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Speaker 1: to kill you. Um, they they they'll tell you he's

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Speaker 1: seen in movies all the time. They know they can't

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Speaker 1: do anything about it until someone actually commits a crime. Well,

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00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: the messed up thing is think about how many mass

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Speaker 1: shooting events that we've seen just this year in two

496
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Speaker 1: where post the event occurring on the primary suspect or

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Speaker 1: the person that was arrested or found dead, they're the

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Speaker 1: person who did the shooting or the killing had made

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Speaker 1: social posts that were very specific or made videos that

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Speaker 1: were very specific about what they wanted to do, and

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00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: maybe sometimes they weren't even so specific. They just wanted

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Speaker 1: to do something and they wanted to take action. So like,

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Speaker 1: it stinks to know that we've got that on one side,

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00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: because until they do something, you cannot arrest that person

505
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Speaker 1: for Not yet it feels like it's coming soon. But yeah, um,

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Speaker 1: it seems like this is gonna be the way in

507
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Speaker 1: right looking at social media posts and maybe having control

508
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Speaker 1: mechanism on your twitters and your Instagrams and YouTube, which

509
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: is this is why we can't have nice things. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and just last little detail I think is important that

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Speaker 1: the charge is UM. He's supposed to appear in federal

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Speaker 1: court coming up this week that we're recording it. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The charge he faces is one count of interstate communication

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Speaker 1: of threats to commit violence UM And that's directly outlined

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Speaker 1: in a news released from the U. S. Attorney's Office

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Speaker 1: for the district of Massachusetts, and that could carry with

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Speaker 1: it the penalty of five years in prison. And I

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Speaker 1: find two dollars. I have a feeling the barrier of

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Speaker 1: the burden of proof hear is going to be very,

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Speaker 1: very difficult. I don't think he's gonna get anywhere near

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Speaker 1: any event. It really depends. It's what you said about verbs.

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Speaker 1: If someone should do this, I you know, it would

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Speaker 1: be what did he say, should be killed someone? It

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Speaker 1: would be poetic justice to have someone go in your

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Speaker 1: office is the other thing I just have to add.

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Speaker 1: If you read the English encyclopedias or dictionaries, excuse me,

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Speaker 1: whether it's Miriam Webster or the O. E. Ed Oxford

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Speaker 1: English Dictionary, you'll you'll find that this language in particular

529
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Speaker 1: is filled with a bunch of other words that are

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Speaker 1: way worth worth uh deriding like we have. There's so

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Speaker 1: many words that are insufferable, honestly. And if I was

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Speaker 1: on the right if I was on the right definition

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Speaker 1: page with the comments, and I saw somebody say this, uh,

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Speaker 1: this word is trash. Whoever brought this over from Latin

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Speaker 1: or fourteenth century France, I hope they hope they had. Yeah,

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00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: I'd be like Okay, I got it, man, I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's shot with a blunderbuss. Yeah. Like, and if

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Speaker 1: I see somebody raising hell fire and brimstone and taking

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Speaker 1: out the digital pitchforks for words like dongle, then I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna say, yeah, I mean, that's a silly one. We

541
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Speaker 1: all are, we all have to say that one in

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Speaker 1: a serious conversation. It's weird. But what about words he's

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Speaker 1: using like commie and Marxist and men, you know, like

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Speaker 1: these are these are words that are like problematic. It's

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Speaker 1: so problem so much more problematic than any like slightly

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Speaker 1: hedging kind of inclusive definition of a word like female.

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Speaker 1: Remember that time we got yelled at for even using

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Speaker 1: the word female. I just want to put that out

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Speaker 1: there is one time it makes me chuckle a little bit, because,

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Speaker 1: of course, you know best of it. I think I

551
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: think we were describing like a police report. I describe

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Speaker 1: somebody in the police report as like a single you know,

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00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: female found, body found. And somebody emailed us and lambasted

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Speaker 1: us over the use of the word female, saying that

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00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: it was dismissive. And I was, first of all taking

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00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: it back because I'm like that seems wrong. Um, it

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00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: is in the dictionary. But then lo and behold, there's

558
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Speaker 1: all these little corners of the Internet that that that

559
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: have that opinion. So it goes both ways. All of

560
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: the stuff I'll never forget, I'll never forget. When a

561
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: good friend this show, Laura Vogel, bomb over at saber

562
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: and brain stuff, she had pointed out that when she

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Speaker 1: got in my head with this, I asked her about

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Speaker 1: the use the word female, and she said, Ben, the

565
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: thing for me about when people use the word female

566
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Speaker 1: is it always reminds me of the Ferengi from Ferengi

567
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: from Star Trek, and I can't get it out of

568
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: my head, you know. But also clinical, you know. But

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Speaker 1: also this this definition that this guy was so heated about,

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00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: it seems like a very fair definition. It's not even

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Speaker 1: necessarily applying specifically to human beings, right, And if I'm

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Speaker 1: reading correctly the way it was written, you are, you

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00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: are reading it correctly, Ben, and I completely agree. And um,

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Speaker 1: let's just be honest. This person doesn't seem like the

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00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: brightest crayon on the box either. If he's getting hung

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00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: up on this stuff, I don't think he's reading the

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Speaker 1: definition as intended, and he's looking for a devil that

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00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: is not there. If his ch if he was chatter,

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Speaker 1: he wouldn't be the sharpest. I think more of like

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00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: a craft single kind of you know guys, well, just

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Speaker 1: you know. To end this conversation a little bit on

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Speaker 1: a happy note, I just want to direct your attention

583
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: to the comments section of the Gizmoto article. It was good.

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00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: It was good, but we gotta credit it. We gotta

585
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: credit it. It's from dj DJ. Wait until this guy

586
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: hears about the story. Oh, it's so good. And there's

587
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: one other one. I really liked this. It was by

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Speaker 1: Killer Kay. Does it imagine being triggered by a dictionary?

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00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: I think that's what we're getting out earlier. It's just

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00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 1: like seemingly such an innocuous, uh collection of you know, words,

591
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 1: but it also holds a lot of weight because it

592
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: is like this is the one if it's that's what.

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00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: But that's the irony too, is like I don't need

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Speaker 1: the dictionary to tell me what a word means, like

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00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: culture tells me what a word means. You know, you've

596
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,800
Speaker 1: been you're always talking about English being a living language

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00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: or language just being alive, you know, if you pay attention,

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00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: you know what words mean. You know, you don't need

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00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: to see it's in here highlighted. That's what it means.

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00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: Can't deviate from that. And this guy is putting so

601
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 1: much stock in this like kind of arbitrary thing that

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00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: he has no control over, and that ultimately doesn't mean

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00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: a hell of a lot anyway. That's all I've got

604
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 1: to say about that. But let's take a quick break,

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00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: pay from a sponsor, and then come back with some

606
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: more strange news. All right, we are back, and we

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00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: are jumping to stories coming out of Business Insider, Sky

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Speaker 1: News and Newsweek, specifically Sky News Australia. Congratulations, that's cool

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00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: that there's a whole Sky News Australia. All right, here

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Speaker 1: we go. This is the title of the article from

611
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: Business Insider that I read at the end of last week.

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Speaker 1: Two Russian oligarchs were found dead one day apart, alongside

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Speaker 1: their wives and children. Reports say so, First of all,

614
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: we all know parts of the world, especially Russia and Ukraine,

615
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: as well as a whole bunch of other countries are

616
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: embroiled in some serious hot war right now. Ukraine obviously

617
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,240
Speaker 1: taking the brunt of the physical damage there and mental

618
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: and all the other types of damage. But a lot

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Speaker 1: of other countries are getting involved, and uh, there's the

620
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: sanctions that have been imposed on Russia have been hitting specifically.

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Speaker 1: There are natural gas and gas industries, most most of

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00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: which are at least the largest corporations that function in

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Speaker 1: there in that industry are state run, but there are

624
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: a few that are outside that are independent. Um, and

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00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: there are exists something called an oligarch. And I wonder

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00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: if Ben and all could we just go over what

627
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: an oligar is before we jump into the story, Like, uh,

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00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: Elon Musk would be an example of an oligarch. I'm kidding,

629
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: I'm kidding, I'm kidding, sort of a modern Uh, he's

630
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: like a new roleigarc for sure. But then I remember

631
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: from school, like an oligarch is definitely it's sort of

632
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 1: like a monarch, but based on money alone, right, essentially,

633
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 1: like based on power of the purse. Yeah, yeah, it's

634
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: a So whenever you hear the term oligarchy, all that

635
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 1: means is government by the few, right, and people would

636
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: say that maybe post Soviet Russia turned into an effective oligarchy,

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00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: although honestly, during communism there was still very it was

638
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: still very oligarchical and hierarchical. But if they if you

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00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: really want to put the put the sting on someone,

640
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: then you'll call their government a plutocracy, which means governed

641
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: by the rich, or you call him a kleptocracy, which

642
00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: means governed by thieves. Uh. An oligarch, now, how has

643
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: a very specific term. I love that we're talking about

644
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: the very wealthy, and we're talking about language again as

645
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: a very specific kind of connotation today, which would be

646
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 1: a titan of industry, like you're describing nol who uses

647
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: their business power to influence affairs that would normally be

648
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: affairs of the state. So I would love to hear

649
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: from some of our fellow listeners on this. Would you

650
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: consider very powerful US business types as oligarchs? At what

651
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: point do they do they cross that that financial uh

652
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: political rubicon? You know? But that's that's basically like what

653
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: an oligarch is. But you're playing with language at that point.

654
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: For example, another language game. If you want to know

655
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 1: whether the US considers a country uh friendly or a

656
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: candidate for a student led revolution, will say, then, look,

657
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 1: how are described. They'll describe the governments that they like

658
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: as governments. They'll describe the governments they don't like as regimes.

659
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: So these are the kind of language games almost always.

660
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: M hmmm. So we're talking about all the arts in Russia,

661
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: but well one of them was in Russia, the other

662
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: one was hanging out somewhere else. Okay, so this is

663
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 1: what happened on tax Day here in the United States,

664
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: which is April eighteen, as a Monday. These are these

665
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: are rough stories. So this is just a warning. If

666
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: you're listening to this in your fraid of heart or

667
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: you don't like stories about death, stop listening now. And uh,

668
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: I guess this would be the end of the episode,

669
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: so by right to us. Okay. Uh. Person named Vadislav

670
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 1: Vayev who was the former vice president of gas Prom Bank.

671
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 1: This is the third largest bank in Russia and its services.

672
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: As you might have guessed, gas Prom this is the

673
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: major exporter of natural gas. Uh. This this is the

674
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: state run company gas Prom. So lots and lots of money.

675
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: This guy was the former vice president of the company.

676
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: He was found dead that day, Monday, April eighteenth, of

677
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: a gunshot wound. He was in his Moscow apartment. Also

678
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: found in that apartment where his wife and his daughter.

679
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: They were dead from apparent gunshot wounds. According to a

680
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 1: few other sources, there were a total of thirteen weapons

681
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:31,479
Speaker 1: found within that apartment and it was on the fourteenth floor,

682
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: just so you know, and they considered a luxury apartment obviously. Uh.

683
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: A pistol was found in Mr. Avayev's hand and the

684
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: apartment door was locked from the inside. This is all

685
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: the initial reporting that's coming out on this event. Terribly tragic.

686
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: You can see reporting, like I said, out of Sky

687
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 1: News Australia where they go into a little more detail

688
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: about theories that have emerged, but none of those theories,

689
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't really talk about them with any

690
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 1: sincerity because they're just comments that were made generally by neighbors,

691
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: so you know, they just don't hold a lot of weight.

692
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: One was that um Mrs Avayev was pregnant. Her name

693
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: was Yelena, she was forty seven years old and allegedly

694
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: she was pregnant. And the rumor is that he was

695
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: by his driver, the child was fathered by his driver,

696
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: and that is why this occurred. It was a murder suicide. Um.

697
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: But there are other reports that say she was not

698
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: pregnant at all. Again, it's just it's a matter of

699
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: this happening pretty recently, not a lot of information coming out,

700
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: and also a lot of private things that probably may

701
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 1: never come out depending on how this case moves forward.

702
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: And again, yeah, the this whole Sky News thing about

703
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: some believed it was economic pressures because of the war

704
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 1: that's occurring in Ukraine right now, because of the economic sanctions,

705
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: these pressures caused this murder suicide to occur. Others believe

706
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,280
Speaker 1: that the family was killed by an entirely third party

707
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 1: and it was the entire family that was slaughtered, uh

708
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: and made to look a certain way. Yeah, I do

709
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: want to shout out Newsweek which made a list a

710
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 1: full list of quote every Russian oligarch who has died

711
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:25,240
Speaker 1: since Putin invaded Ukraine that came out on four twenty two. Uh. Sadly,

712
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: you know, not to be too gallows humor about it,

713
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: but this is quite possibly looking like a pattern. I

714
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 1: know you have mentioned I can't here if we talked

715
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: about this off air bit, but um, I know I've

716
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: seen a lot of scuttle but that argued at least

717
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: one of these guys was murdered such that it looked

718
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 1: like a suicide or officially was considered a suicide, but

719
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 1: that they were Their lives were taken because they refused

720
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: to play ball with some bids on gas prone. Did

721
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: you hear about that? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well this is

722
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: this is what leads me to the second story. That

723
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: was just the first person that died. Terrible tragic story

724
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 1: of one person, uh in their family. The second story

725
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: occurs on Tuesday, April nineteen. The next day, person named

726
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 1: Sergei proto Sen who was fifty five years old. He

727
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: is the former vice president and chief accountant of another company,

728
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: this one titled Nova Tech and O v a t

729
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: e k. This is the second largest company in Russia

730
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 1: involved in guess what, producing natural gas and oil. Again

731
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: different because independent, not state run like gas prom is.

732
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 1: This person was found dead. They were hanged in the

733
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: garden of this villa that they rented as about seventy

734
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: five kilometers north of Barcelona in Spain. I don't even

735
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: know how to say it. Laurette damar, I think, uh,

736
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: you're a dam Also very similarly to the previous story,

737
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: this person's wife and daughter were found dead at the villa.

738
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: They were both in their beds. They were dead of

739
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: apparent stab wounds. Next to this person, a Sergey, who

740
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: was hanged, they found a bloody axe and a bloody knife,

741
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: but guess what, no suicide note and there were no

742
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: blood stains anywhere on Serge's body, which to me says

743
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: this was staged. You mean like execution style or are

744
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: you are like, I'm sorry? I mean the killing was

745
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: done a certain way and the crime scene was staged

746
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: to make it appear as though it happened in a

747
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: different manner. Well, I think it. It is just highly

748
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: unlikely that you could somehow stabbed to death your wife

749
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: and daughter in their beds and not get any blood

750
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: on you. UM's accurate. I followed and according to the

751
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: news outlet Telesinko, they're one of the first, uh, one

752
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: of the first outlets that reported on it there in Spain.

753
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 1: They're saying that there are two scenarios murder suicide like

754
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 1: they're looking at in the first example we talked about, UH,

755
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: as well as some kind of you know, third party murder,

756
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: like every person there was murdered and it was staged. Yeah,

757
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: there's another There's another weird part of this too, which

758
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: is the You're right. This is this story I was

759
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: thinking about. If someone did a murder, did commit murder suicide,

760
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: then just as you said, they would have blood on

761
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 1: them unless they were wearing outer clothing. And then it

762
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: taken that off and somehow very effectively disposed of it

763
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: and then did some spring cleaning and this maybe you

764
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: could look for traces in the in the shower, you

765
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like you could. It's not super

766
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: easy to clean up that kind of stuff, like with

767
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: a stabbing, you know. Um well, the the most messed

768
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 1: up thing is why would you stage? Why would you

769
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: stage the scene to look like that if you knew

770
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: you were going to kill yourself and you had just

771
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 1: murdered your own wife and your own child, your own daughter, Like,

772
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: why would you take the time? I feel like some

773
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: I don't know again, it's just psychologically. I feel like

774
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: someone who would go to the length the extreme to

775
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 1: murder their own family would not then think, oh, well

776
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 1: I should shower and everything and you know, clean everything up,

777
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: and then you know, go hang myself next to the weapons.

778
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: If they were in a very unstable mental state and

779
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 1: it was like a control thing or something, and they

780
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 1: it's possible but it seems kind of unlikely. And we

781
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: know that there's already tension between the the kind of

782
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 1: military rulers of Russia, including Putin at the top, and

783
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: some Russian business folks and and successful oligarchs. You know,

784
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 1: people have fled. One guy was literally just on his

785
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: yacht going back and forth with no known destination. I

786
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: think last month why Russian business been offered a one

787
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: million dollar bounty on Vladimir Putin himself, like dead or alive,

788
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 1: old school wild West style. And now and now I

789
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: can't help but wonder, you know what it feels like.

790
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: It still doesn't add up, And to be a fly

791
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: on the wall in those in those internal meetings, you know,

792
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: I don't know how long that situation is gonna last internally,

793
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: with all the with that increasing lack of belief in

794
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: Putent's leadership, and then also that plummeting trust he appears

795
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: to have in his formerly close circle. I don't know

796
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,399
Speaker 1: what to make of it, but it doesn't smell right, man,

797
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: It surely doesn't. Just like the doctors falling out of

798
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 1: the windows during the pandemic, who made some statement about

799
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: needing to cleanse uh the interior of Russia, right, and

800
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: that's when a bunch of these oligarchs and people were

801
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: taken off. It was a pretty messed up statement. Uh,

802
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: sounded like deaths would be occurring. It's just weird to

803
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: me that these are all former s vps or heads

804
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 1: you know of these companies. I guess it's just because

805
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: they're in control of so much wealth and therefore perhaps

806
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: power within Russia, even though several of them are, as

807
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: you said, living abroad. I don't know, it's just two

808
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 1: days apart to have. If these actually are family issues,

809
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: right that then caused the deaths of the entire family

810
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: or inner inter personal relationship issues, it would be such

811
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: a strange coincidence that it's very difficult for me to believe,

812
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: you know it. We also have to consider the idea

813
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: setting an example quote unquote, or you know, using these

814
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,919
Speaker 1: deaths as a warning, you know, like it doesn't matter

815
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: where you go, you can get touched, and it's not

816
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: just you. It's not just you. Yeah, it's not just you.

817
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: You might actually we might make you watch what happens

818
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: to your family first, and then we'll blame it on

819
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: you posthumously. Again, we don't have proof of this, but

820
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 1: they're like you were saying, Matt, the indications don't look

821
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 1: super great. The similarities and deaths, the statements of Putin earlier,

822
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: the fact that one one guy, Alexander Toulikov, he was

823
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: found somebody beat the snot out of him before he died. Uh.

824
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: And then there are the questions about murder weapons in

825
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 1: weird places. All these folks have links with the Kremlin.

826
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: It maybe maybe you clean out one's closet kind of thing,

827
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 1: or maybe it's an attempt to concentrate the wealth and

828
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: the control of state resources. It's tough to say, but

829
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: it's it. Now is officially a very dangerous job to

830
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: be a Russian oligarch, right yeah, yeah, yeah, um. Just

831
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: two tremendously tragic events, both of those families, both incidents

832
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: there was another child that either made a phone call

833
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: to do wellness check or stumbled upon the scene. Which again,

834
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 1: if it's if you're going to the extent to kill

835
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: one of your children, I don't know. Just imagining that

836
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: another one of your children would discover it, just something

837
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: about it just doesn't check out to me. The other

838
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: names on that list from the Newsweek article that Ben

839
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: mentioned about oligarchs you've died. Just gonna give you those

840
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: really quickly in case you want to look him up.

841
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: It's Leonid L E O n I D. Shulman s

842
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 1: h U L m A N. You mentioned Alexandre Tuliakov.

843
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: There's also a Mikhail Watford, which is a different name.

844
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: They changed his name. I believe Tolsto Shaya was the

845
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: original name, let's see. And then Vasilly Melnikov. So if

846
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: you want to look all of those up, really really

847
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: crazy off it feels it feels like almost cartel activity

848
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: that I've read about in the past, or or just

849
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: organized crimes, some of the old organized crime activities I

850
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: think we've all read about. I don't know. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: feel like government activity to me, Ben, but I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it is. Who knows. Someone knows. Yeah, they're they're

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Speaker 1: like I would estimate there at least fifty to eight

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Speaker 1: people who know for sure. Problem is they're not going

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Speaker 1: to be talking to news Week about it, right. Uh.

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Speaker 1: This this may seem like a bit of a dark

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Speaker 1: ending for this week's Strange News segment, but folks, we

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Speaker 1: think this is important. There is a known pattern and

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Speaker 1: precedent set by Russian forces. Russian intelligence forces with enacting

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Speaker 1: operations like this to send a message. And yes, there

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Speaker 1: other intelligence agencies have done stuff like this in the past,

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Speaker 1: to be clear. But we're I think we're both you

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Speaker 1: and I are trying to grapple with what this, what

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Speaker 1: this means, right, what the end game of this is? Uh,

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Speaker 1: killing the Airs has been specially brutal way too. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they're cauterizing a family line at that point. Um. But

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Speaker 1: also I've got to say, Matt, I've got to say,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how we get out of this one

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Speaker 1: to a little bit of levity. But I do know

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Speaker 1: my favorite the Sourus joke. I don't know if I

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Speaker 1: don't know if that was the time, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: All right, Matt, did I did I tell you I

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Speaker 1: bought that abridged the Sourus? Yeah, no, it's it's not

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Speaker 1: just terrible, it's terrible. But I know, Oh God, Matt

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Speaker 1: looks like a disappointed a disappointed saint, like the patron

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Speaker 1: saint of terrible jokes. Uh, we didn't write that joke.

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Speaker 1: That joke. Be careful with it. It's an antique. But

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Speaker 1: I hope you hope you groaned as as audibly as

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Speaker 1: Matt Pig there say, I just didn't know where to

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Speaker 1: take us in because these these murders are not gonna

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Speaker 1: there's not really a way to bring justice to these people.

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Speaker 1: And murder suicides do happen. They're an immense tragedy. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's a dark time, man, Yeah, it really is

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Speaker 1: a dark time. Uh. We didn't even bring up there

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Speaker 1: were reports and that I wanted to talk about today

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Speaker 1: that decided not to. But I'll let you check this

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Speaker 1: out if you want to out there. Uh, there's some

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Speaker 1: reports coming out about the viability of farmland across the world,

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Speaker 1: specifically in the United States and other places that generally

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Speaker 1: have had fertile farmland, and how there's only about sixty

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Speaker 1: years of it left, sixty years of it left, and

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Speaker 1: it takes about a thousand years to getting new inch

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Speaker 1: of usable top soil. And what does that mean? How's

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Speaker 1: that math work out for us? Yeah? What was that? Oh?

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Speaker 1: I sent it? I sent it off air. Weren't chatting

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Speaker 1: because we're bookworms. Uh. I was thinking of where to

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Speaker 1: live next, or where to maybe even try to buy

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Speaker 1: a house, and I ended up rabbit holding into that

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Speaker 1: really cool, incredibly bleak The world in a fifty to

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Speaker 1: a hundred years interactive map link. Remember that it's yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's legit. There was also a huge organized protest of

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Speaker 1: scientists about how the world's going into the crapper, and

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Speaker 1: they got barely any news coverage, which makes you wonder.

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Speaker 1: I looked at a piece of news because I thought

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Speaker 1: it would be a lighthearted thing. It was about this

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Speaker 1: Georgia What was she? She was? She was an official

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Speaker 1: for Georgia sports, like kids playing organized sports, and she

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Speaker 1: was attacked and assaulted by a parent. And I remember

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Speaker 1: seeing some local news story about it. But she has

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Speaker 1: now become the face of an entire thing. I didn't

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Speaker 1: realize this. Officials for like kids organizations, you know, Little

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Speaker 1: League Baseball and that kind of thing. They are leaving

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Speaker 1: in droves in the same way teachers are leaving in

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Speaker 1: droves because of the violence, the implied violence and actual

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Speaker 1: violence that's being taken out on them, in the same

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Speaker 1: way that this person that we just did a story

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Speaker 1: on commenting on the Dictionary, where people say horrible things

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Speaker 1: and in some cases they actually act them out right Now,

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Speaker 1: it's generally just punching in like some kind of brawl situation,

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Speaker 1: but you can only imagine how bad it could get.

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Speaker 1: I'm just feeling nervous and freaked out about the world.

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Speaker 1: That's okay, levity let before levity okay at Lexus is

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Speaker 1: telling us to wrap here. I just do check out

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Speaker 1: check out the scientists rebellion, folks, and ask yourself. It

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Speaker 1: will tell us. Actually if you saw anything about this

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Speaker 1: in your local news. Essentially over a hundred thousand scientists

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Speaker 1: just a few days ago across twenty five countries took

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Speaker 1: part in these demonstrations. They called the Scientists rebellion. Also

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Speaker 1: a climate activist. When Bruce set himself on fire, self

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Speaker 1: immolated in front of the Supreme Court, I think that

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Speaker 1: when got some got some kind of press. But we

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Speaker 1: want to know if this stuff is reported in your

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Speaker 1: neck of the woods. We want to hear what you

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Speaker 1: think about the power of both words and oligarchs. We

935
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Speaker 1: want to know if you think it is a good

936
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Speaker 1: thing or a bad thing, or an irrelevant thing for

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Speaker 1: Musk to have bought Twitter, And as always we can't

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Speaker 1: wait to hear more strange news from you. We try

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Speaker 1: to be easy to find online until Musk you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. It takes us down buys the rest

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Speaker 1: of the Internet. Yes. On Elon's brand new social media,

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Speaker 1: Stuff Show. You can find us on Facebook both at

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Speaker 1: To get in, all you need to know is who

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Speaker 1: phone call? Yes, use your phone for, as my pal

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Speaker 1: Matt says, the purpose it was intended to be used for. Thanks, bet,

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Speaker 1: you're never gonna forget that burn. The number is what

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Speaker 1: love a good moniker. Tell us what's on your mind.

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Speaker 1: take us to the edge of the rabbit hole, and

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