WEBVTT - 121623 What Are We Missing About Palestine? / Where Do We Go From Here? (Part 1) 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:04.720 Broadcasting the balance and defending the discourse. I would like 0:00:04.760 --> 0:00:07.680 to welcome you to another episode of Civic Cipher, where 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:11.640 our mission is to foster allyship, empathy and understanding. Today 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:14.040 we are broadcasting from the hip hop Weaky Studios and 0:00:14.080 --> 0:00:16.239 I am your host, Rams's job. Big shout out to 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:19.560 my man c Ward, who is back in the Middle 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:23.640 East changing the world. And can't wait to have him 0:00:23.680 --> 0:00:27.360 back in the studio again soon. But for now, I 0:00:27.400 --> 0:00:30.360 have a couple of special guests in the building that 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:34.199 are here to have a very important conversation. We've been 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:38.280 saying some things about the goings on in Palestine, and 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:40.879 we've been having these conversations. We feel that they are important, 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:44.440 they are necessary, and I feel honored to have two 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:47.479 people with us in the studio. One is Suzanne Oslom, 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:50.199 who's been with us before. For those unacquainted, she is 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:52.600 a human rights major and a former Miss Air USA 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:57.120 souls an actress and activist turn writer. I've spent time 0:00:57.200 --> 0:01:00.440 in Palestine working with a peacekeeping team and she obviously 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:03.680 has a deep personal understanding of the occupation, the Israeli 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:08.240 occupation over there, and we have a new friend to 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:11.240 myself into the show. He goes by the name Resistance 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:15.199 is Beautiful, and actually I came across him for going 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:22.160 viral a few times for bringing attention to the Palestinian 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:27.800 people in the state of Palestine. And the fact of 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:31.960 the matter is that there is a lot more in 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:33.920 the way of conversation that we need to have with 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:36.640 respect to what's going on over there, and so I 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:41.039 appreciate you both coming to the show, and today I 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:46.640 plan on really having some conversations that inform our listeners 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:51.120 on ways that we can better support what's going on 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:55.559 in Palestine on the ground from where we are here 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:57.960 in the USA. So there's a lot to stick around for, 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:00.640 so please do that. The first and foremost, We're going 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:04.800 to start this show off with some Ebony excellence, and 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:08.840 today's Abny Excellence is sponsored by Major Threads. For innovative, 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:15.119 fashionable sportswear. Checkmajor threads dot com today for any excellence. 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:18.880 We're going to keep in line with the theme, we're 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:21.679 going to highlight a man who I believe exemplifies to 0:02:21.720 --> 0:02:23.639 any excellence. He goes by the name of Sean King. 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:27.400 And the reason that we're shouting out Sean King is 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:30.480 says an example of Aveny excellence is because he has 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:35.600 really showed I think all of us what strength looks like, 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:41.200 how powerful black voices can be, what allyship looks like. 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:44.399 And he has been bold, very bold in the face 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:49.440 of opposition. He is constantly sharing how he's at risk 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:56.000 of being deep platform by showing videos and sharing content 0:02:56.120 --> 0:03:00.480 on social media that is causing a lot of people 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:04.840 to question what's going on in Gaza with respect to 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:07.639 the Palestinian people. I'm sure you're feelings with Sean King. 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:12.280 Yes, I think he's nothing less than a hero, Absolutely sure. 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:14.520 I appreciate that. And I know that you mentioned that 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:15.440 you follow him. 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:18.040 As well, right, Yeah, it's been so wonderful to have 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:21.000 an American voice speak so passionately and so strongly and 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:23.600 have so many connections to the people on the land 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:27.960 that he's really been able to apply first hand accounts 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:31.320 to a group of people who otherwise might not have 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:32.280 that access. 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:34.360 Right, right, And so what I'd like to do is 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:37.520 have you look him up. Shawn is spelled s h 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:40.360 A U N. Last name King like the conventional spelling. 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:45.560 Be warned, there's a lot of graphic content there. But 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:48.120 if you have a beating heart and a degree of empathy. 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:53.600 I think that you will find that it's important the 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:56.440 things that he's sharing with with people. So today I 0:03:56.520 --> 0:03:58.240 just wanted to make sure that we shouted out Sean 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:05.000 King for our ebony excellent. So today I'm going to 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:07.840 start us off a little bit of a story. Now, 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:10.120 I know that we've all had a conversation for the 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:14.280 Black Information Network, and so I appreciate you coming back 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:18.160 to do Civic Cipher with me because this is also 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:21.800 near and dear to my heart. I feel it's important 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:27.279 to share with people how you came into my life. Resistance, 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:31.920 we'll call you resistance for short. But I saw a 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:37.360 video of you at your house and what happened was 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:41.479 police officer knocked on your door and there was someone 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:46.880 recording you answering the door. And it's important to point 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:49.440 out that the police officer was black and that you 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:56.080 are a Palestinian man, Muslim Palestinian man. Yes, okay, it's 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:58.480 a police officer's black officer knocks on your door and 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:04.039 serves you with papers saying that you are not allowed. 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:06.400 They're like trespassing papers or something. That let's go back 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:11.880 to Arizona's at University, correct, and you know I saw 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:14.280 this video. There were so many people that had viewed 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:18.960 this this video. Oh man, it was crazy. I felt like, 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:20.840 why am I seeing this so late? Because so many 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:22.760 people had already gotten to it before me. I shouldn't 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:28.080 know about this, especially happening in Arizona. But it was 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:34.160 a conversation that followed that was so moving. Thank Effectually, 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:38.080 what was communicated to the officer was thank you for 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:41.719 bringing this to me. I consider this this paper a 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:47.080 badge of honor. And a conversation ensued between you and 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:53.120 the officer, and you articulated to the officer that you 0:05:54.880 --> 0:06:00.640 learned what resistance and what protesting was, and you're examples 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:04.320 that you followed were examples of the officers, people of 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:11.359 my people, of black people, absolutely, Nelson Mandela, Malcolm X, indeed, 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:16.680 you know, and these great protesters from history who ultimately 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:19.160 it turned out that they were on the right side 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:22.400 and in the moments, you know, I think Nelson Mandela 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:28.240 was on the terrorist list until eighteen. I believe. 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:34.160 After he was president of the country, he. 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:36.200 Was still on the terrorist So it ended up being 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:39.080 the case that obviously Nelson Mandela was indeed the whole 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:41.680 time on the right side of history correct. But what 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:47.440 was very special about this video was the candor the 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:50.880 nature of the communication. It wasn't combative, it wasn't angry, 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:55.080 it was it came from a place of love, and 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:58.120 that that sense of pride and that sense of love 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:03.320 and that sense of uh brotherhood. Forgive me if I'm 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:08.640 speaking for you far keep going. But that spirit I 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:17.120 believe has been largely largely reflected in what I have 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:24.000 seen of the Palestinian human beings. And so for you 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:31.600 to be so close, it felt appropriate that I should 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:35.280 reach out and see if you would honor me with 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:36.440 your presence. 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:40.160 You honor me, honestly, You honor us Palestinians, for giving 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:44.720 us a voice, you know, at a time where you 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:47.720 know you can be you know, death threats or smear 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:51.280 campaigns or god knows what can be lobbied against you. 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:52.880 Sure you know, so thank you. 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:56.560 Yeah, yeah, this is this is what I'm supposed to do. 0:07:57.960 --> 0:08:01.320 So just if my hope is that I will have 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:04.000 done right by you, you know, and that's really it. 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:08.080 I'm honored. I know a moment ago that you you know, 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:12.080 we're praying into witness a prayer. There's so many beautiful 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:15.239 things about these people and about these and I feel 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:18.120 like those things need to be shared on a broader stage, 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:21.160 not just with Sean King and activists on TikTok and 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:23.119 that sort of things. But there's a lot of stuff 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:25.520 missing from the media space. And since I work in media, 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:28.520 you know these are conversations I feel are very important. 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:30.880 And you're no stranger to that, Suzan, because you've been 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:34.480 on the show before obviously, to have this conversation. Hopefully, 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:36.760 at some point in the future we can have conversations 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:41.480 that aren't so heavy and based on people being harmed. 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:44.480 But I appreciate you returning because I know that this 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:48.040 can be a heavy lift mentally and spiritually for you 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:50.080 as well to keep coming back and to keep having 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:53.600 these conversations. So I admire your bravery and your consistency 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:56.319 and helping us tell the stories from the Palestinian. 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:58.560 In perspective what you said at on the other show 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:00.680 that we were on together and the Black and Network 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:04.000 is and you use the word obligation, it's just it's 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:07.480 what we do. It's what we as Palestinians do, especially 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:09.640 when we live we're living in America. We are so 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:11.600 blessed to live in a place where we are free 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:15.160 and we are safe, and there's not enough. There's never 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:19.200 enough that people like us feel like we're doing. And 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:21.520 so if there's an opportunity to do it in a 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:23.840 way that we you know, you go out into the 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:27.559 streets and you're on the corner of Fashion Square protesting, 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:29.199 and that's something that you feel really good about and 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:31.920 you're and you're making change in that way, and I 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:34.360 write about it, and that's how I find the way 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:35.840 to make And this is what we do, and this 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:37.400 is who we are, and it's always going to be. 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:38.280 You're just born into it. 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:42.240 Yeah, resistance, resistance. Resistance comes in different forms, right, Yeah, 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:47.120 all we need all of it, all fronts, all horses, galloping, deliberation. 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:52.640 Well, I would like to start in this conversation, as 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:55.600 I do with many conversations I have, in the spirit 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:58.120 of love, and because I'm aware that there are some people, 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:03.040 perhaps because the information they've received or perhaps because of 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:08.480 maybe their specific sensitivities, I want to speak love into 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:10.760 this conversation from the beginning, and I want to close 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:15.040 with that, if that's okay with me, Yes, sure. I 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:22.160 would like for you to offer a word of kindness 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:27.600 to your Jewish brothers and sisters will start with you. 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:30.640 I would say first of all to my Jewish brothers 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:34.280 and sisters. We share a lot in common. The way 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:36.559 we dance, the way we eat, the way we celebrate, 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:39.840 the way we talk. We share so much with one another. 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:43.080 We live in peace in so many countries with each other. 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:48.160 And one day, when Palestine has returned to us, we 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:50.839 want the Jews to stay there just like they were 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:54.560 before nineteen forty eight, before the invasion. They will beautify 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:56.920 the land. We want the Jews, the Christians and the 0:10:57.000 --> 0:10:59.120 Muslims to live together, and the Atheists and the Mormons 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:02.640 and the Catholics all together in Jerusalem and fall Asteine 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:06.360 returned back to us, so that we can take care 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:07.320 of everyone inside of it. 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:08.280 This is what we want. 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:13.520 And a special shout out to all of the incredible 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:18.000 Jews around America that have been arrested for protesting for 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:19.280 the Palestinians. 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:24.800 They are heroes. You want to talk about civil disobedience, 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:25.960 they got that down. 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:29.520 And you know, my social media is full of videos 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:32.800 of that of our Jewish brothers and sisters getting arrested 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:37.400 because they're speaking out for Palestinians and against the Palestinian genocide, 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:40.959 so definitely would love absolutely. 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:44.559 Why are they speaking out because a horrible atrocity happened 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:47.880 to their people not that long ago, in the lifetime 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:52.920 of their grandparents, and they refuse to let it happen 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:56.679 again and in their name it is it's a double offense. 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:00.320 And it's to your point. I mean, who's the ones 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:03.120 getting arrested the most on Capitol Hill? Like three hundred 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:06.480 I think happened in one weekend. Is It is incredible 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:09.560 And we feel so supported and so loved by organizations 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:13.200 like Jewish Voice for Peace. They're my favorite ones. God, 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:17.959 I love them, Rabbis for Human Rights, even internal organizations 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:23.439 inside of Israel that denounce the occupation and support liberation 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:25.720 of Palacin and people and look for ways for us 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:29.360 to live in peace together. This is why, and we 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:31.360 have to make this disclaimer because people like to use 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:34.040 this stuff against us, But this is why. This is 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:38.240 not about people. This is about resisting a government and 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:39.200 the people are together. 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:45.080 Yes, okay, So a lot has changed since we last 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:49.960 talked to you and Isism, and I want to get 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:57.160 an idea of how things sit since there was a 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:00.400 I called it a cease fire but there was a 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:10.200 pause in bombing. Oh, and that has resumed. Let's let's 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:12.760 let's talk about that. How are you feeling now? Are 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:16.360 you feeling more optimistic? Is there more information that is 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:19.200 there more that we can do? And in that moment, 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:21.360 I know that I was feeling hopeful that that would 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:22.400 last longer than the five. 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:24.839 Yeah, I squashed your hope a little bit there when 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:32.080 we talked about it earlier. Uh, there's it's weird. It's 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:36.680 weird to balance two very opposing feelings at the same time. 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:41.080 It's weird to go, oh, they they unpaused and then 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:43.760 in one day killed seven hundred people, And if it 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:50.000 was seven hundred Israelis people would be so and rightfully upset. 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:53.920 Why are people not upset about seven hundred and one 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:57.800 day after, right right after the pause? And so there's 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:00.319 a part of us that we're just like, oh, come on, please, 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:00.880 what are you doing? 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:01.560 Be mad? 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:03.720 We're mad, and it's never going to end. And you 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:06.800 just see the journalists and Gaza who are getting thinner 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:09.840 and getting more depressed and getting just less hopeful, and 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:13.600 it's just so devastating. And then so I hold that 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:17.360 I hold that pain and that frustration and then at 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:21.560 the same time, I've never seen the world so united, 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:25.120 and I think the media thought we would we would forget. 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:27.520 And I know Palestinians will never forget, but I think 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:31.520 we thought you would forget. And the media looked around 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:35.720 and they're like, oh, people aren't forgetting. People, non Arabs, 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:40.880 non Palestinians aren't dropping this. And I've never seen this before. 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:44.040 And so at the end of the day, there is 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:48.160 this weird hope because I've never felt so supported and 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:50.800 loved by the international community the way I do now. 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:53.040 I am not talking about governments, although there have been 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:55.560 governments who've come out and support I am talking about 0:14:55.880 --> 0:15:00.600 citizens worldwide that are just saying no, I I'm sorry. 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:02.640 We didn't see it before, but we hear you now, 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:05.040 we see you now when we're with you, and we're 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:06.440 not going to stop talking about. 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:09.120 The hundreds of millions incredible. 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:12.480 So I hold those dualities and it's a constant, daily, 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:16.080 minute by minute back and forth between those two feelings. 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:31.480 Resistance is beautiful, sir, Yes, sir. Another incredibly viral video 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:37.600 of yours takes place at a shopping mall on Black Friday, 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:41.080 and that one was booming. I saw the numbers on that. 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:44.400 I was like, man, he is killing it. Okay. Anyway, 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:55.120 right after that there was the pause and then the bombings, 0:15:57.040 --> 0:16:05.760 and I could not imagine. I could imagine, but I couldn't. 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:09.000 You know, it's the same and it's different. Yeah, I know. 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:15.120 I you know that I mentioned to you before. You 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:17.920 know that I hope that I'm able to be as 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:19.400 good a brother to you in this moment as I 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:26.560 possibly can be. But I kind of want to get 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:32.280 your thoughts on where the situation is in Gaza now, 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:36.160 just how you feel about how things are going. 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:39.440 And so, you know, for seventy five years, we've had 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:43.120 to deal with this terrorist project known as Israel. For 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:45.440 seventy five years. Nineteen forty eight, both sides of my 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:50.440 grandparents were kicked out, no no chance of return. For 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:53.240 a lot of us Palestinians, our parents, our grandparents, our 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:55.880 great grandparents, they hang the keys of their homes on 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:56.480 their walls. 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:58.960 This is known. So if you enter a Palaesinian house. 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:01.560 Of these some some of like some sort of key 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:04.119 or something on the wall of the homes that they 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:06.719 were kicked out of. So we've been dealing with this 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:09.640 for seventy five years and to the point of Suzann 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:11.919 my sister, what she's saying about, like, it feels so 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:14.800 good that people are recognizing us because the first time 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:17.520 in seventy five years that we feel like someone hears 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:21.240 our voice say okay, the first time the feeling she has, 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:24.160 all of us Palestinians have, this is the first time 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:26.480 we feel like our voice is being heard. Seventy five 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:31.400 years of drowning, being murdered and kicked out, and our 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:35.320 culture being stolen from us. You know, they say, like 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:39.879 the Israeli occupier saying that they created the food that 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:43.000 we eat, they dance the way that we dance, they 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:46.800 created the coffea that's ours everything, right, it's ethnic cleansing. 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:48.600 They want to take like the dementor, you know, the 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:54.120 dementor that sucks the soul, just everything, everything that you are. 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:57.560 It's now us, right, what is ethnical that they're going 0:17:57.600 --> 0:17:59.640 to ethnically cleanse it and take it where for themselves 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:00.920 and say we created all of this. 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:04.280 Oh well, listen, I know a thing or two about that. 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:06.440 I'm trying back. I'm sure you do. 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:09.600 And so for us, this is what we've been dealing with. 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:13.440 And then it got our land got shrunk and shrunk 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:15.000 and trunk and trunk and trunk all the way to 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:16.639 we have because is that which is twenty five miles, 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:17.040 and we have. 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:17.720 West Bank. 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:22.000 As we're at today, twenty twenty three, with as a 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:25.719 two point three million people as of today, as of 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:29.720 this recording, one point nine million, as sends, one point 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:36.080 nine million completely displaced, thirty thousand murdered, ten thousand of 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:39.040 them being children. And that does not include the people 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:39.720 under the rubble. 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:41.240 So do the math. 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:48.639 One point nine million displaced in sixty days. That is 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:55.520 a murder and a crime against all of mankind. 0:18:56.400 --> 0:19:00.600 Okay, now this conversation is going to a little bit 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:05.439 quicker than the one before. What do you say to 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:13.640 people now after to your point, Israel has well defended itself, 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:19.879 has responded, over responded in my estimation, but resistance, what 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:24.359 do you say to people who say, well, they drop leaflets, 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:27.840 they're trying to get to the tunnels, they're trying to 0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:31.560 root out sure a hamas so that this doesn't happen 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:33.480 in Israel? Again, what do you say to people who 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:34.120 have that position? 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:36.760 Sure, that's like saying, you know here in America that 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:39.960 the school shooter sent an email or dropped off some 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:42.480 flyers before he shot up everyone in the school. So 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:45.120 I ask to the American viewers who are listening now, 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:48.159 is that an acceptable response, that the shooter of a 0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:50.679 school sent an email before he shot up the school, 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:53.200 That the shooter of a school sent out some flyers 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:57.160 before he did it. It is murderous, and our occupier 0:19:57.680 --> 0:20:02.960 is murderous. Our occupier is soulless, and our occupier dropping 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:07.679 leaflets with bombs means nothing to us. They have no 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:10.800 morals and they are trying to sell morality, and we 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:13.040 know that it does not come from them. This is satanic, 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:13.680 is what it is. 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:18.600 Do you feel that the flyer, the dropping of the 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:24.600 flyers maybe has something to do with keeping a narrative 0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:27.640 or crafting or cultivating a nrative to sell it. 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:30.120 They gave them a dance morning, see exactly. 0:20:30.359 --> 0:20:32.760 It's a way to sell it, to convince the American 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:36.200 public that it's okay to murder children. So I believe 0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:39.280 the American public now was waking up and recognizing this. 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:41.040 And this is what I wanted to ask you, Suzanne. 0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:45.679 You know there's a lot of people. We're not the 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:49.520 only people that can see these videos on TikTok, you know, 0:20:49.600 --> 0:20:52.760 like your videos and see the videos from like a 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:55.600 Sean King. They have to be able to see that. 0:20:55.680 --> 0:20:58.560 And I'm talking about the Israeli government, not about Jewish people. 0:20:58.560 --> 0:20:59.920 And I don't think any of us are talking about 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:04.199 We're talking about government. Yes, conversations about a government. That 0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:12.160 government and their immense intelligence has to know that they 0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:15.200 are doing what they are doing with the I saw 0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:17.520 you showed me a video resistance and there was a 0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:20.400 there's a boy and he was rolling back and forth 0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:22.280 in pain. And you mentioned there was a special bomb 0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:22.880 that the so. 0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:26.960 Israel uses illegal weapons against children, and one of the 0:21:26.960 --> 0:21:29.320 weapons that they use is white phosphorus bombs. This is 0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:30.680 illegal and. 0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:33.520 There is at. 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:38.280 Least tens of thousands of videos of white phosphorus bombs 0:21:38.320 --> 0:21:42.280 being dropped on Palaestinian's Palaesinian children. And the video you 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:44.920 saw today that Sean King put up is of a 0:21:45.080 --> 0:21:48.520 child whose entire body is burned and he's rolling around 0:21:48.560 --> 0:21:51.480 because he cannot get that tingling feeling. 0:21:51.600 --> 0:21:53.399 Out of him. Oh okay, that's what it is. 0:21:53.520 --> 0:21:57.840 Yes, Either you are seeing footage of children torn up completely, 0:21:57.880 --> 0:22:02.440 their body parts ripped apart. Mang their skin just torn off. 0:22:02.760 --> 0:22:07.400 The weapons that are being dropped are designed to inflict harm. 0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:12.560 They are designed to annihilate. The bombs that drop have 0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:15.400 shrapannel in them that cut through, so many people get 0:22:15.400 --> 0:22:19.320 cut into pieces. You'll see footage of neighborhoods completely turned 0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:23.000 to dust. And America is funding. These are American bombs 0:22:23.080 --> 0:22:31.720 going to Israel. These are two terrorist, colonial, imperialistic nations 0:22:31.800 --> 0:22:35.000 intentionally murdering Palestinians. 0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:37.640 So I want to make sure that we circle back 0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:41.040 to that, because that's got to feel particularly hurtful to 0:22:41.160 --> 0:22:45.000 know that the United States has kind of adopted a 0:22:45.119 --> 0:22:48.399 very strong posture which seems to be in favor of 0:22:48.440 --> 0:22:52.080 the nation state of Israel and opposed to Palestine. But 0:22:53.240 --> 0:22:56.600 we're going to circle back to that because that obviously, 0:22:56.960 --> 0:22:59.199 you know, you two are people that can articulate that 0:22:59.240 --> 0:22:59.720 better than me.