1 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: There's a lot of expectations on this football team. They're dangerous. 2 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 2: To achieve the results you want. 3 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,159 Speaker 3: It doesn't happen on game day, it happens today with 4 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 3: every breath you take. 5 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 2: This guy is one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. 6 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 2: Push each other, make it hurt. It's time to rewrite 7 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 2: our story. 8 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 4: Hello and welcome to the second season of The Hard 9 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 4: Knocks Podcast. I am Dan Hanss, longtime Hard knocksscribe for 10 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 4: NFL dot com and yes, long suffering Jets, been since 11 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 4: nineteen eighty eight, and I'm joined by my lovely co 12 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 4: host and a fellow Hard Knocks addict, Colleen Wolf. 13 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 5: Connie. We doing this again. 14 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: We're running it back. 15 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 6: I'm so excited for you, specifically because I get to 16 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 6: watch you kind of live and die by this Hard 17 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 6: Knock season with the Jets, and that's a whole different layer. 18 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 7: This is a whole new thing for me. I can't wait. 19 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, I couldn't be more excited. 20 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 4: I've always loved this show, and when the rumors are 21 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 4: percolating out there about it the Jets being involved with 22 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 4: this season, especially after the arrival of Aaron Rodgers, it 23 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 4: seemed too good to be true and now here we are. 24 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 4: This is our episode previewing the five run episode of 25 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 4: Hard Knocks starting on Tuesday, August eighth, focusing on the 26 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 4: Jets for the second time in the program's history. Connie 27 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 4: obviously a legitimate buzz and anticipation around this season in 28 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 4: New York, both because of the memories of how fun 29 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 4: the Rex Ryan season was back in twenty ten, but 30 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 4: more so because of Rogers obviously, and how he's kind 31 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 4: of taking this team and transformed it from this downtrodden squad, 32 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 4: which by the way, owns the longest postseason drought in 33 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 4: North American professional sports entering this season into as Hard 34 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 4: Knocks producers are selling it this season in the trailer 35 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 4: you heard at the top of the show, the most 36 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 4: compelling team in football. And I have to say, Connie, 37 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 4: this is. 38 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 5: All a little bit overwhelming for me, but it's not wrong, right. 39 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 4: I love it, Like they might not be the Super 40 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 4: Bowl favorite, but pound for pound, just like storylines, juice, 41 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 4: there's nobody like the Jets right now, which is just 42 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 4: considering what the last decade or so has been like, 43 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 4: it's pretty crazy how quickly change happens in the NFL. 44 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 7: This sets up so perfectly. 45 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 6: First of all, they could not buy publicity like this 46 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 6: for the show that they've received over the last week, 47 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 6: with all week and a half, I guess now with 48 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 6: all of the Sean Payton and Nani pocket. 49 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 7: Fire like that is just such. 50 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 6: It's like catnip right now for me, and as a 51 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 6: Jets fan, I can't even imagine. Because with the Eagles, 52 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 6: when they started to get good the year that they 53 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 6: won the Super Bowl, that's when I started kind of 54 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 6: like feeling like everyone started talking about the Eagles more nationally. 55 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 7: There was buzz that it was right that they were 56 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 7: getting it. They should have been getting all of that buzz. 57 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 6: But it's still to me felt so strange for the 58 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 6: Eagles to be that team. And now I feel like 59 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 6: with you, it's like the Jets right now, it's all 60 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 6: anyone wants to talk about, and rightfully so, because of 61 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 6: everything that's happened. Like Method Man was at training camp 62 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 6: the other day when I was hosting ITC and I 63 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 6: was in Pittsburgh and all I want to do was 64 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 6: be with the Jets at method Man. That was my 65 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 6: first ever concert I went to was Read and bo 66 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 6: Yes in Philadelphia. I was so starstruck, and I think 67 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 6: stee So Senior was starstruck too talking to him. 68 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 7: At Jets Like. 69 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 6: It's just it's really it's gonna be such a good 70 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 6: season for it to be in New York, for it 71 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 6: to be around this team that has been, as you said, 72 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 6: so downtrodden for so many years, and then to have 73 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 6: the quarterback Aaron Rodgers there who love him or hate him, 74 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 6: He's going to make people talk. And I've also done 75 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 6: like a total one to eighty on him just from 76 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 6: one SoundBite. So I can't wait to see how I 77 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 6: feel from the beginning of this series until the end. 78 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 5: Wow, one SoundBite. Do you happen to have that one SoundBite? 79 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 7: You know what? I think we should take a listen 80 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 7: to it. 81 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 6: This is Aaron Rodgers breaking down the huddle at camp 82 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 6: the other day. 83 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 5: Aaron, what do you got for us? Faces? 84 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 2: Oh? 85 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 8: I got nothing Now. I'm just happy to be out here, 86 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 8: excited to be with you guys. All I'm gonna say 87 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 8: is this camp along camp right, Let's just enjoyed little 88 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 8: things every single day. Take time to laugh a little bit, 89 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 8: find a conversation on lifetime with somebody new. 90 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 2: Don't always say with the same group. 91 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 8: If you know your teammates a little bit, you know 92 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 8: that's part of their leadership route that you just enjoyed. 93 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 8: The little moments goes by fast and you get to 94 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 8: be really old and gray and savoring every little moment. 95 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 8: So saving them right now? Yeah, Q's one three, two three. 96 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 5: QoS Connie. 97 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 4: He seems Rogers this deep into his career after that 98 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 4: incredible run with the Packers and then how it ended, 99 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 4: he does seem revitalized and really excited to be kind 100 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 4: of at the the focal point of this team. What 101 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 4: is it about that clip that you kind of you 102 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 4: were gravitating towards. 103 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 6: It's just sort of like I'm so used to hearing 104 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 6: Aaron Rodgers with the media be just kind of stand 105 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 6: office stand offish and kind of brush things off and 106 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 6: maybe be a little arrogant about things. And that was 107 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 6: just genuine and sincere to me, and the message of 108 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 6: just enjoy the little moments. It goes by fast, savor 109 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 6: every moment. I think for me, I just take anything 110 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 6: that I use football as an analogy for everything in 111 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 6: my life because we're around football so much. And so 112 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 6: when I heard that he's talking about training camp, but 113 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 6: I hear it as life and so that to me 114 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 6: just felt like a really sweet. 115 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 7: Little window into what we don't normally see. 116 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 6: And I also loved that Nathaniel Hackett he threw to him, 117 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 6: was like, Aaron, what do you got for. 118 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 7: Us, babe? 119 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 6: And that just it really, really really made me so 120 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 6: happy to hear Hackett call Aaron Rodgers babe, Like. 121 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 4: That's it, yeah, yeah, the hacket of it all, And 122 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 4: it really is a gift from the football gods, a 123 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 4: gift from the NFL films gods that Sean Payton, Broncos 124 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 4: head coach trashes Hackett and the previous regime in Denver. Hackett, 125 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 4: of course, flamed out spectacularly in his didn't even make 126 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 4: it through the last season with Russell Wilson at quarterback, 127 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 4: and here's Hackett now trying to resuscitate his career. Aaron Rodgers, 128 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 4: in a lot of ways threw him this lifeline, even 129 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,799 Speaker 4: if he didn't do it directly, because everyone knows Hackett 130 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 4: is so close to Rogers that he could call him babe. 131 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 5: So the Jets don't get it twisted here. 132 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 4: The Jets very pointedly, after the disappointment of Zach Wilson 133 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 4: in the past two years targeted Hackett, Yes, because he 134 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 4: has a pedigree and has had success in his career 135 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 4: before Denver, but also and especially because he's very close 136 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 4: to Aaron Rodgers and what was part of a long, 137 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 4: long period of courtship that led to the Jets landing Rogers. 138 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 4: So for this show to start with the cameras, the 139 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 4: crews at Jets camp right when Peyton gets a little 140 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 4: loose and at a pocket with USA today, it was wonderful. 141 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 4: And you saw Rogers spoke with Peter Schrager of NFL 142 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 4: Network candidly about I believe Sean Payton, keep my coach's 143 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 4: names out of your mouth, as if he's gonna beat 144 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 4: the hell out of him in week five. But what 145 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 4: I really liked, Connie, was Robert Sala stepping up to 146 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 4: the podium. And there's been talk about whether, you know, 147 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 4: the Jets and other teams wanted to be on the show, 148 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 4: but you see Sala kind of embracing the moment and 149 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 4: issuing a clapback to Peyton to the media, and we 150 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 4: just play the clip, Connie, But I thought, since this 151 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 4: is the Hard Knocks podcast, the premiere of season two, 152 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 4: why don't we put a little that iconic David Roboto 153 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 4: score underneath as a little preview, as a little taste 154 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 4: of how that wonderful soundtrack for Hard Knocks for two 155 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 4: decades in counting really dresses up everything and makes it 156 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 4: even better. Here is Sala with a little Robodo accompaniment. 157 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 3: Well, I'm not going to acknowledge Sean on that is 158 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 3: he you know, he's been the league while he can 159 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 3: say whatever the hell he wants. But as far as 160 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 3: you know what we have going on here, it's. 161 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 2: You know, the. 162 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 3: I kind of lived by a say, if you ain't 163 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 3: got no haters, Rayam Popper, so hate away. 164 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 2: You know. 165 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 3: It's obviously we're doing something right if you've got to 166 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 3: talk about us when we don't play until we've for 167 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 3: and I'm good with it, you know. But uh, you know, 168 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 3: the guys in our locker room, they've earned everything that's 169 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 3: coming to him and. 170 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 2: Really excited about what's going on. 171 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 3: I think Hecket's doing a phenomenal job here him, the 172 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 3: coaching staff is doing a. 173 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 2: Phenomenal job, and and we're focused on us. I get it. 174 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,599 Speaker 3: There's a lot of external noise. There's a lot of 175 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 3: people who are hating on us. There's a lot of 176 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 3: people looking for us to field. There's a lot of crows. 177 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 2: Peckinget or neck. But all you can do is spread 178 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 2: your wings, keep flying high until le's prost fall off 179 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 2: and suffocating from the inability to breathe. It's all I 180 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 2: apologizing him later. 181 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 7: Wait on a seconds, Wow, Robert Sala, he's going to 182 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 7: be a star. I already know it. The if you 183 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:42,839 Speaker 7: ain't got no haters, then you ain't popping so hate away. 184 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 6: That needs to be someone needs to take like a 185 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 6: wrap like bed and and and remix that for me, 186 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 6: because that could be that could be huge. 187 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 7: But the way that he goes off at the end 188 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 7: and all of. 189 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 6: A sudden, like they're flying and and crows are suffocating 190 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 6: like that gave me a little bit of Dan Campbell 191 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 6: vibes that I was not expecting, a little twist. 192 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 7: I love Robert Salah. This is gonna be such a 193 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 7: good season. 194 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, Sala was built for this. Dan Campbell, of course, 195 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 4: the head coach of the Lions. We we chronicled that 196 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 4: show last summer and it was a great season of 197 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 4: hard knocks, which I think is also building into the 198 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 4: anticipation for this year. Because I thought the Lion season 199 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 4: kind of revitalized interest in this long running franchise in 200 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 4: a lot of ways. 201 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's it's great. I can't I can't wait. 202 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 4: To see how the the Jets as a whole kind 203 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 4: of react to the cameras and how you see who 204 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 4: who steps up and who becomes larger than life figures 205 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 4: like a Jamal Williams or Deuce Staley last year, because 206 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 4: you never know and and you know, along the lines 207 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 4: of again, as a fan of the team, beyond just 208 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 4: covering the sport, I think about what are the real line, 209 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 4: the real life storylines to track that you could actually 210 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 4: what is the news value potentially in having the Hard 211 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 4: Knocks production team there? First and foremost for me is 212 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers and and the progress of this offense. Uh, 213 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 4: I think, I think, And I'm gonna we're gonna share 214 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 4: some our MVP predictions a little bit later. We're gonna 215 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 4: share maybe a fearless prediction for the season a little 216 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 4: bit later. But I want to see how the offensive 217 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 4: line is coming together with Rogers and not a new offense, 218 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 4: but in new surroundings, in a new environment. Also, Connie, 219 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 4: how about a little Garrett Wilson for a Sauce Gardner 220 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 4: practicing every day, the offensive player of the year against 221 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 4: the defensive player of the year. That's got to be 222 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 4: catnip for hard knocks. 223 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,439 Speaker 7: Oh, that's going to be so so good. 224 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 6: I mean, the offensive line is going to get so 225 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 6: much attention. That is that's like for me also number one. 226 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 6: But I'm excited to see this group of wide receivers 227 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 6: behind Garrett Wilson, like Mikol Hartman coming in and what 228 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 6: like what does Randall Cobb and Alan Lazard? How where 229 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 6: did they fit into the puzzle. 230 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 7: And it's just like it's. 231 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 6: So there's so many different ways you can go, and 232 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 6: there's so many storylines. And I know that the Jets 233 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 6: didn't want this and they publicly said it, but to me, 234 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 6: that makes it even better. 235 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 4: Sure you lean into it at this point in other storylines, 236 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 4: Dalvin Cook, as of this recording, is not a member. 237 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 5: Of the New York Jets, but he's been to camp. 238 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 4: He's taking selfies with fans, he's taken a physical with 239 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 4: the team. That is a storyline set against the backdrop 240 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 4: of Breece Hall, who I thought, you know, I know, 241 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 4: Garrett Wilson won Rookie of the Year. I think if 242 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 4: Bruce Hall doesn't blow out his knee last year in October, 243 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,959 Speaker 4: i think he wins Offensive Player of the Year Rookie 244 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 4: of the Year in a walk. That's how incredible his 245 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 4: rookie year was shaping up to be before that unfortunate injury. 246 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 4: How is his recovery documented on the show? Sometimes on 247 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 4: Hard Knocks, you expect when you're it's covering a team 248 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 4: that has a high profile player coming back from injury, 249 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 4: you expect that to be a storyline. But what happens 250 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 4: is these guys are rehabbing, kind of off to the side, 251 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 4: in their own, their own world. You end up not 252 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 4: seeing them at all. I'd like to see where Breeze 253 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 4: Hall is at. And then the one more, one more 254 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 4: Collie and I have is the Zach Wilson of it all. 255 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 4: I mean, oh yeah, this Aaron Rodgers, this saga, and 256 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 4: this whole new world that the Jets are in, it's 257 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 4: because of number eight Aaron Rodgers. And the only reason 258 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 4: Rogers is here is because the Jets used a number 259 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 4: two overall pick on a kid out of BYU Zach 260 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 4: Wilson two years ago who flamed out in an epic 261 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:35,839 Speaker 4: manner and who, by the way, his hero growing up 262 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 4: was wait for it, Aaron Rodgers, the most compelling team 263 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 4: in football, and now they're working together in the quarterback room. 264 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 5: He is the number two quarterback of the Jets. And 265 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 5: to go from the face. 266 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 4: Of the franchise to the background with Aaron Rodgers and 267 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 4: being the understudy, I'm just interested. I'd be interested to 268 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,839 Speaker 4: learn about Wilson and his journey because it's been it's 269 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 4: very unusual, his path for as a numb number two 270 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 4: overall pick and where he is now in just year three. 271 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, and we're taping this on Thursday night of Hall 272 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 6: of Fame weekend, so the Hall of Fame game is tonight. 273 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 6: I'm in Canton, so I as soon as we're done 274 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 6: recording this, I'm going to head over to the stadium. 275 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 6: Zach Wilson is starting in the game, and I just 276 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 6: want to get a feel for our Hard Knocks team, 277 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 6: like I want to see them live. 278 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 7: I want to know what I'm just like excited for there. 279 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 6: To be a game, even though it doesn't really like 280 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 6: count as a game, but it's going to feel like 281 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 6: a game and that the Jets are there, like that's 282 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 6: the only reason I'm going yeah. 283 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 5: And we'll get it. We got Rich Semini a ESPN. 284 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 4: I'm about to throw in an interview that I did 285 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 4: with Rich a day ago, and we're going to touch 286 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 4: on the Jets being again the center of everything right 287 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 4: now in Canton, with the Hall of Fame inductions and 288 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 4: then the game a lot to get to. In fact, 289 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 4: why don't we do that, Why don't we throw it 290 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 4: to my conversation with Rich Semini, longtime scribe covering the Jets, 291 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 4: and then we'll we'll come back and we'll share some 292 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 4: predictions and we'll say goodbye. 293 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 5: Stay right there, all. 294 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 4: Right, Welcome back to the Hard Knocks podcast preview of 295 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 4: the New York Jets, second time on this illustrious program, 296 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 4: And I could not have a better guest to talk 297 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 4: about the Jets and the history of the team and 298 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 4: the history of the team on Hard Knocks than the 299 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 4: great Rich Sameni, who has covered this team since nineteen 300 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 4: eighty nine. 301 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 5: That's longer than any beat writer in the history of 302 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 5: the organization. 303 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 4: So when you want Jets history, if you want an 304 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 4: idea of the pain of the franchise and perhaps a 305 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 4: path to glory, Samini is the guy. Welcome Rich to 306 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 4: the Hard Knocks Podcast. 307 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: Well, thank you, Dan Well. I had two words, Joe Walton, 308 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: that was the first coach I covered. That gives you 309 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: some semblance of perspective of where I'm coming from. 310 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 4: My goodness, you know, and thanks Rich for giving us 311 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 4: some of your time here during the very busy summer. 312 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 2: You know. 313 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 4: Next stop for you, I know is Canton for the 314 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 4: Hall of Fame game. That's a Jets game, and there's 315 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame inductions of Darrell Reeves and Kleco, 316 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 4: who you always pounded the table for Cleco as a 317 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 4: man who deserved it, and he did and now he's 318 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 4: going in the Jets. 319 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 5: And you know Rich better than anyway. And things changed 320 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 5: quickly in pro football. 321 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 4: But the Jets are the hottest ticket in the sport 322 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 4: right now, and now you got Hard Knocks coming up. 323 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 4: This is kind of all wild, obviously with Rogers at 324 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 4: the center of everything. 325 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say that it's probably the biggest buzz 326 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: the buzziest time in Jet history that I've covered, at least, 327 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: I mean in eight with Brett Favre. You know, it 328 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: was pretty it was pretty wild. It was pretty hyped 329 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: up there but that was that happened so fast. You know, 330 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: he didn't get here until early August, and so that 331 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: was like the accelerated buzz program. This has been kind 332 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: of a gradual build really since March when Rogers came 333 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: out publicly I want to play for the Jets. So 334 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 1: this has been more of a slow build, and it 335 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: is it's insane around Jet Camp. I mean, every day 336 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: there's celebrities walking the sideline. Leev Schreiber, the other day, 337 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: Method Man, you know, was out there. I was standing 338 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: next to him on the sideline a couple of days ago. 339 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 1: So you just never know who's going to show up. 340 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: And everyone wants to be around the Jets these days, I. 341 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 4: Guess, which is bizarre because you know, we've been doing 342 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 4: our around the NFL podcast. This is going into our 343 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 4: eleventh season and that coincides with the longest dry stretcher 344 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 4: of any team in North American sports in terms of 345 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 4: the postseason. So for this team that this amount of buzz, 346 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 4: there is an element of is Lucy going to take 347 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 4: the football away? Everything's been going so perfectly so far 348 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 4: for the most part, besides like McKai Beckton or whatever, 349 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 4: but in general, you feel so good about it, and 350 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 4: I just like in the on the hard knock side 351 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 4: of thing things Rich, I just want to start a 352 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 4: little bit with like the hand ringing from the Jets 353 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 4: and all the other teams initially about we don't want 354 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 4: to be on Hard Knocks, keep us out of that show. 355 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 4: And then I got a call bs Rich because then 356 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 4: you see the drama around Sean Payton Nathaniel Hackett and 357 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 4: the comments that were made by Peyton obviously out of pocket, 358 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 4: and then Sala steps up to the podium and he 359 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 4: has a very prepared response. 360 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 5: He's quoting rap lyrics. 361 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 2: What was it if you if you ain't got no hatters, 362 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 2: you ain't popping right? 363 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 4: Thank you, Robert, And all I could think is he's 364 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 4: embracing this and he's not gonna say it because he's 365 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 4: a big, you know, tough football guy and cameras are bad. 366 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 4: But what better vehicle for a head coach in this 367 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 4: league and head coaches have egos, it's not just the 368 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 4: players than hard knocks, like this is a huge star 369 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 4: making vehicle for Robert solid and I was happy to 370 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 4: see that because it's clear and he had iHeart HK 371 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 4: shirt at the start of camp. He's leaning into this 372 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:56,679 Speaker 4: now and that's gonna be good for everybody, including the 373 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 4: viewers of the show. 374 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the just will be entertained. I think 375 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is the most interesting guy in the NFL 376 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: right now, So that'll be a huge storyline obviously in 377 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: the first and many episodes. And yeah, the Jets pushed back. 378 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: I mean they came out publicly and said we do 379 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 1: not want to do Hard Knocks, and the NFL has 380 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: the right to make anybody do it, and they I'm 381 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,360 Speaker 1: glad the NFL pushed back, you know, because no one 382 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: wanted to see New Orleans or Chicago on Hard Knocks. 383 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: Everybody wanted to see the Jets. I think from a 384 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 1: fan perspective, from an entertainment value, you wanted to see 385 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 1: the Jets. You got the Jets. But you know, it's 386 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 1: so crazy. Just a quick little snapshot on Sunday, Dalvin 387 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: Cook was visiting the Jets and part of me thinks 388 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: that that was a whole thing. Stays for Hard Knocks. 389 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: Everywhere he walks on the practice field, there was a 390 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: boom mic over his head, there was a camera thaves drive. 391 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: But he was talking to Woody Johnson on the sideline 392 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 1: there you see the boom mic over their heads. I 393 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 1: guarantee you that's going to be in the first episode, 394 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: you know, free agent talking to the owner, and so yeah, 395 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: I mean there's definitely the preceence around camp for sure. 396 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 4: I would say Rich that you know my fandom is 397 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 4: leaning and you know I'm a Jets fan and the 398 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 4: twenty ten Hard Knocks and I wrote I basically covered 399 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 4: the Hard Knocks beat for NFL dot com for ten years. 400 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 4: This is the second year we're doing a podcast of it. 401 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 4: I still don't think there was a better season than 402 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 4: the Rex Ryan twenty ten season, which coincided with the 403 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 4: Jets last playoff appearance. Gett into the AFC title game, 404 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 4: the peak of the Rex era. You were there for that, 405 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 4: And is there a difference in terms of how it 406 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 4: looks and feels it seemed busier around the camp or 407 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 4: is it more or less got a similar vibe to 408 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 4: twenty ten. 409 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: It's a little different. I mean back then Rex Ryan 410 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: was completely unfiltered, you know. So with Rex he would say, 411 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 1: he would say anything. And I don't think you're going 412 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: to see as many F bombs in this year's Hard Knocks. 413 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 1: Robert salad not curse. At least he doesn't around us. 414 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: It's just not his thing. And I remember writing a 415 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: story on Rex after the first episode. There were so 416 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: many f bombs that he actually made a crack at 417 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: a press conference that said, I got a call from 418 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: my mother. She was very upset about all the cursing. 419 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 1: And you remember Tony Dungee came out at the time 420 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: and said, you know, it wasn't cool with that much. 421 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 5: Cursing pipe downee all the time. 422 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 1: He said the league should look into it. Goodell, should 423 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 1: you know, look into this? And I remember reaching out 424 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,479 Speaker 1: to the NFL for a comment and I got an 425 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: email back from greg Iello, the PR guy at the time. 426 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: I said, are you guys going to do anything? And 427 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: he goes. He wrote back and he said, I think 428 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: Rex's mother has already handled this, and so it became 429 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 1: kind of a story about Rex's cursing. I'm pretty sure 430 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 1: we're not going to have a cursing issue in this 431 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: Hard Knocks. 432 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 4: Okay, that's good In terms of the key to a 433 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 4: Hard Knock season is kind of the breakout stars, the 434 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 4: charismatic guy. Sometimes they'll surprise you. It could be an 435 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 4: undrafted free agent linebacker. It could be the second string 436 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 4: running back, it could be a star in the team. 437 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 4: Do you have any anybody that comes to mind as 438 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 4: a player or maybe somebody from the coaching staff that 439 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 4: jumps out as a potential hard knocks MVP. 440 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 5: We have a whole. 441 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 4: Voting system Colleen and I that we tabulate as the 442 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 4: season goes along, like who should we be keeping an 443 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 4: eye out on? 444 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: Odds wise, I think they're gonna try to make something 445 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: out of Michael Clemens, their defensive end from Texas, A 446 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: and M a second year player. He is a man 447 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:38,479 Speaker 1: of few words, but you saw him coming into training 448 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: camp and the carrying that bat from you know, the 449 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: barbed wire bat in So I think I think Clemens, 450 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 1: even though he doesn't say a lot, you can make 451 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 1: something out of it. He's a very intimidating guy. He's 452 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: his body is just sculpted. So they could try to 453 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 1: make something out of Michael Clemens. I think Nathaniel Hackett 454 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: is a really energetic, outspoken guy. I think his meetings 455 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,919 Speaker 1: are really different. I mean they play jeopardy in the 456 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: quarterback meetings, which is called course perfect for Aaron Rodgers 457 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: because you know he's hosted in the past, so I 458 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 1: could see something with Hackett. He's got that kind of personality, 459 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 1: and of course Rogers will be everything he says on 460 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: the field, just little words of wisdom that he's sharing 461 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 1: with teammates that'll all be, you know, gobbled up. I'm 462 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 1: sure that'll make some good copy. 463 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 5: Yeah. 464 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 4: I feel like there's a lot of meat on the 465 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 4: bone with Hackett from a narrative standpoint, and then Peyton 466 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 4: served up this like gorgeous meal on a platter for 467 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 4: episode one, because you keep hearing and he hear it 468 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,199 Speaker 4: all the time for people on the outside, fans the 469 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 4: coaches say, oh, Hackett makes it fun, but I never 470 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 4: really you never really hear how he makes it fun. 471 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 5: So the opportunity here, I mean, this is a huge 472 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 5: spot for Hackett too. 473 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 4: Who's who got a lifeline from the Jets, and let's 474 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 4: face it, Rogers coming off what was Peyton was not 475 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 4: wrong about that a disaster of the season, and I 476 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 4: could definitely see him coming off very well on this show. 477 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 4: We do have to get to the Rogers of it all, Rich, 478 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 4: because let's frame it this way, eight years ago, Rich, 479 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 4: I call you up, and you've always been very. 480 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 5: Nice and. 481 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 4: Sharing of your time, and I always appreciate it. But 482 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 4: back in twenty fifteen, you were nice enough to grant 483 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 4: me an interview for this write up series I was 484 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 4: doing on NFL dot Com called The Pain Rankings. We 485 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 4: talked about a supposed curse a Broadway Joe, and you 486 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 4: said this to me, I don't really think it's a curse. 487 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 4: They don't have a quarterback. If they have a quarterback, 488 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 4: they wouldn't have this problem. The ownership has changed, the 489 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 4: coaches have changed, they've changed stadiums, everything has changed. I 490 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 4: just think if they could ever find a quarterback, it 491 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 4: could get them over the hump. They have a quarterback now, Rich. 492 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 4: Have you had the opportunity to have any one on 493 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 4: one interaction with Rogers? And I know we mentioned Farv 494 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 4: which felt totally different, including Farv never really wanted to 495 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 4: be with the Jets. He's just trying to get to 496 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 4: the Vikings to stick it to the Packers. That's not 497 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 4: how Rogers is. You can talk about his contract restructuring, 498 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 4: just how he's carrying himself when how has been the 499 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 4: Rogers of it? 500 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: All of the Jets, see, we got the ultimate battle 501 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: set up here. It's Rogers versus the Curse. It's like 502 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: two powerful forces going against each other. Who will prevail. 503 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: Rogers has been great to deal with, you know, and 504 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 1: obviously he's been trying really hard to be accommodating both 505 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: public relations wise with the fans, you know, going to 506 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: all those events around in you know, New York City, 507 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: that Tony's, the Broadway shows, MSG and then even with 508 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: the media, he's been fantastic. Just I mean, we have 509 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: not had one on one interviews with him. We did 510 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: get an opportunity to spend a little bit of time 511 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 1: with him some of the writers away from the microphones 512 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: back in this back in I guess it was may 513 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: or June, and so that was cool, you know, to 514 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: get to know him a little bit. But he's been great. 515 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: He gives you such thoughtful answers. He says, he welcomes 516 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: hard questions. He goes he prefers hard questions. I can't 517 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: remember ever an athlete coming out saying give me hard questions, 518 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 1: you know. So we'll see how he reacts. If he 519 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: throws three picks against Buffalo on September eleventh, you know, 520 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,679 Speaker 1: it's like, hey, Eric, what happened on this pick? Is 521 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: he going to be as accommodating then we'll find out. 522 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: But he's he's hit all the right notes do in 523 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 1: I mean, he couldn't have scripted a better first few 524 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: months with a new team in a new city. 525 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 4: I mean, between you and I and the people listening, 526 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 4: is that man when you listen to him and you converse, 527 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 4: is he for real? 528 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 2: Is he? 529 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 5: You know, full of it? 530 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. If you as the Green Bay writers, 531 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: they might say he's full of it, but you know 532 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: they were around the guy for eighteen years, so I 533 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: can understand the fatigue factor. I've never covered a player 534 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: for eighteen years. God knows, no one on the Jets 535 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: ever last that long. It's more of a revolving door situation. 536 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: So I wouldn't know what that's like. But uh, he 537 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: seems genuine to me. I don't know, Ask me again 538 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 1: in a few months. You know when there's gonna there's 539 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,719 Speaker 1: gonna be hard times. This is not gonna be an 540 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 1: easy thing. I mean, he's he's learning a new I mean, 541 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 1: he's not learning a new offense, but he's trying to 542 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: teach a new offense to all these players. It's not 543 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: gonna click automatically. There's gonna be some rough patches. They'll 544 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: probably happen early, and so we'll find out a little 545 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 1: bit more then. But all I can go by is 546 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 1: what I see and what I hear it is, and 547 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:40,640 Speaker 1: he's been fantastic so far. 548 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 4: It is going to be a gold mine of storylines 549 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 4: and a season that everyone should be excited about, Jets 550 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 4: fans and otherwise. Rich Any Hard Knocks predictions before we 551 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 4: say goodbye. 552 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,880 Speaker 1: Well, I don't think you're gonna get the usual Hard 553 00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 1: Knocks conclusion where they're cutting players, you know, and the 554 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: last episode or you know, leading up to that. I 555 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 1: think the Jets are philosophically opposed to that, and I'm 556 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: sure you know the reason, right Dan. I mean Joe 557 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 1: Douglas when in the first Hard Knocks with the Baltimore 558 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: Ravens way back in two thousand or two thousand and one, 559 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 1: Joe Douglas was the poor SAP who got to walk 560 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: around and tell players to bring their play. 561 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 5: He was the turk whoa I did not know that 562 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:25,640 Speaker 5: that was his first. 563 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: Job in the NFL. He was a low level personnel 564 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 1: assistant basically right out of college, you know, and he 565 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 1: was the guy so he got FaceTime on Hard Knocks, 566 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: knocking on doors saying coach wants to see you bring me. 567 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 4: And it was ruthless in the early years of that 568 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 4: show too, like they leaned into that that side of 569 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 4: it for the dramatic effect obviously. 570 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I remember talking to Joe in recent years 571 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 1: and that I think that left some scars. He just 572 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: hated doing that. So I would be surprised if we 573 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: see that happening on Hard Knocks. I don't think the 574 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: Jets are going to do that, and I can see 575 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: why Joe Douglas would have some thoughts, some deep seated 576 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: emotions from having done it himself. So I think you 577 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: won't see that. That'll be my prediction. And here's a 578 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: wild prediction. I mean, could they take a page out 579 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: of the REEVS handbook playbook from twenty ten? Could there 580 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: be a Dalvin Cook returning on the last episode of 581 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: Hard Knocks signing with the Jets. Could that be a possibility. 582 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: I'm just throwing that out there. 583 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 5: Do they still go to Courtland? They don't go to 584 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 5: Courtland anymore? 585 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: Right, No, there's no Courtland. 586 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 5: Fact, there's no Roscoe's Diner. 587 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: Then either there's no Roscoe which every time I stop 588 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: at the Roscoe Diner on the way to Syracuse. SiO 589 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: was I think tweet a photo, you know, because it 590 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: brings back memories of that. But I'm just throwing that 591 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: out there, Dan, Could there be a Dalvin Cook sighting 592 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: in the last episode. 593 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 5: We'll find it and God knows Rich that there's no 594 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 5: shortage of di in Jersey. To go have a pork 595 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 5: roll and sign the Dodline. 596 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: Florm Park Diner right down the road. 597 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 4: Beautiful, Rich, thank you so much for your time. Busy 598 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 4: time of year, exciting time of year for the Jets 599 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 4: and their beat writers. I texted you privately that I 600 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 4: just want to before we're all in the ground, I 601 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 4: want to be at a Jets Super Bowl with my 602 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 4: dad and my brother and Rich Semini covering it from 603 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 4: the press box, and I will go up to you 604 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 4: and I will shake your hand, sir, win, loser, draw, Well, 605 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 4: there will be a winner or loser in that game, 606 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 4: but I will be there with you. 607 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: Let's hope I get to cover something like that. 608 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 2: Beautiful. 609 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: Thank you, Rich, All right, see Dan? 610 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 5: There he goes Rich Samini that guy again. 611 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 4: Nineteen eighty nine, he started covering the team so he 612 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 4: knows this squad well. 613 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 7: Yeah, he knows them well. 614 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 6: And for him to say that this is the buzziest 615 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 6: time since he's been with the team since nineteen eighty 616 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 6: nine really speaks to us. 617 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 7: Then I'm still on method. 618 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 6: Man. 619 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 7: I'm just like, still so heartbroken that I wasn't there 620 00:30:58,320 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 7: that day, but I'm sorry about it. 621 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 5: It's really cool, But I will say, eminem, I don't know. 622 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,719 Speaker 4: I don't know if Marshall Bathers is watching a lot 623 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 4: of Lions games. Meta man's legit like he's from Staten Island, 624 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 4: which is the home of many Jet fans, and he 625 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,959 Speaker 4: believes the season ticket holder. I like, if I'm going 626 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 4: to see celebrity cameos on the sidelines for a buzzy 627 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 4: team on Hard Knocks, make it the real ones. I 628 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 4: don't want to see you guys pretending. Did you see 629 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 4: Leev Schreiber, our boy, the longtime narrator of Hard Knocks. 630 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 4: They fly him in or wherever they bust him in 631 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 4: to meet Aaron Rodgers the first time it's going to 632 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 4: be I assume. 633 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 5: I don't know actually, if they're going to share it. 634 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 4: In the premiere episode, Rogers meeting Schreiber who's Rogers is 635 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 4: a big fan of Shreiber. Like, are we going to 636 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 4: see that the first time you actually see Leave Schreiber 637 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 4: on this program. 638 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 5: Pinch me. 639 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 6: Oh, I know, I know, And like, listen, Dan, you 640 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 6: know that there's nothing I love more than the Summer 641 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 6: of Connie. 642 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 7: It is my time to like truly unplug and let loose. 643 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 6: But having Hard Knocks and having this season of Hard 644 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 6: Knocks to kind of have a smooth transition into the 645 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 6: work season, into the grind that is the regular season, 646 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 6: in playoffs and everything. This is the perfect kind of 647 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 6: way to end Summer of Connie and begin whatever is next. 648 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 5: I love it beautiful. All right, let's get into last year. 649 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 4: We had a very we have a new producer, Eric Roberts, 650 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 4: who's going to have to learn about our very detailed 651 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 4: tabulation Connie of how we do voting on the Hard 652 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 4: Knocks MVP. 653 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 5: I believe I believe Campbell won it last year, Is 654 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 5: that correct? 655 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: Yes? 656 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, very memory. 657 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 7: Deuice was Deuce Staley was right up there. 658 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 6: Who by the way, Dan, I sawd Staley at Panthers 659 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 6: camp and I know he was like such a huge 660 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,719 Speaker 6: character on our show last year. And I know him 661 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 6: from Philadelphia from covering the team and seeing him out about. 662 00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 6: But I didn't know that, like we were like all 663 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 6: on that like friend level at this point. And he 664 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 6: ran over to me and was like, oh my god, 665 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:10,239 Speaker 6: the Philadelphia queen and then gave me the best like 666 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 6: coach pep talk I didn't even know that I needed 667 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 6: in my life, like talking about my preparation, my approach, 668 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 6: my finish to things. And I was like, huh, I 669 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 6: guess I have that huh like and so he's like, 670 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 6: you can really tell that you always come prepared and 671 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 6: blah blah blah, and I just like walked away being 672 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 6: completely I was reinvigorated and I was just ready to 673 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 6: run through a wall for Duce Daley. 674 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 4: Ryan's led a good one get away there. You got 675 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 4: to keep de Deuce in the building. Now, I feel 676 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 4: like we maybe should have had him on the show 677 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 4: last year. I didn't realize you guys were on such tight. 678 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 5: Terms me either. It's great friends, but that I mean, 679 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 5: Deuce is a perfect example. 680 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 4: I believe he was the was he He was an 681 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 4: assistant coach in the running backs coach and he was 682 00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 4: a standout last year. And that's a nice transition listening, 683 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 4: This is a pretty good way to transition. If you 684 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 4: like how I do. 685 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 5: Anyway, hard knocks, MVP predictions. How about this? 686 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 4: Yes, another assistant coach. We mentioned him, Nathaniel Hackett. 687 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 5: All you hear. 688 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 4: And talked about a little bit with Rich just now. 689 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 4: All you hear about is how fun he makes things. 690 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 5: I want to see it. I want to see what 691 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 5: he does. 692 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 4: And I think this is a perfect platform for Hackett 693 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 4: to show to kind of a little more career rehab 694 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 4: for the guy and in addition to see what makes 695 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 4: him different as a coach, because man, there's not too 696 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 4: many coaches calling Aaron Rodgers babe. 697 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 5: There's a different vibe there. 698 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 4: Do you have a I'm gonna say he's my dark 699 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,280 Speaker 4: horse MVP pick Hackett offensive coordinator. 700 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 5: How about you? 701 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 6: Oh, I'm I'm completely with you on that, especially after 702 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 6: listening to Nathaniel Hackett's response to Sean Payton, and he 703 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 6: came off so likable. 704 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:54,479 Speaker 7: He took the high road. 705 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,799 Speaker 6: He's like, we all are in glasshouses and this guy 706 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 6: is just trying to pick up the pieces his professional 707 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 6: life and move on. And I just think that this 708 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 6: is an opportunity, whether or not it's intentional. I think 709 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,840 Speaker 6: it's gonna be unintentional actually for Nathaniel Hackett to completely 710 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 6: rebrand himself after this season. 711 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 4: But it's got it the favorite here, right, And I 712 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,359 Speaker 4: thought about Sauce because he's got he's larger than life 713 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 4: ready after just his rookie season and how fantastic that was. 714 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 4: But I think Sala is made for this, just like 715 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 4: Campbell was made for this. I think he's really going 716 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,759 Speaker 4: to be a guy that's larger than life. I don't 717 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 4: know how much we're going to see Aaron Rodgers on 718 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,280 Speaker 4: the show. If he's on it a lot, it's probably 719 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 4: gonna you're gonna probably say he's the overall favorite for MVP. 720 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 4: Who is your pick? If you had to say who's 721 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,840 Speaker 4: gonna win this thing? Our Hard Knocks MVP for season 722 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:50,840 Speaker 4: two of this podcast. 723 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 6: I think that because I feel like Robert Sala is 724 00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 6: going to be the stronger, the strongest MVP candidate, but 725 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 6: Hackett probably is going to appear the most, and because 726 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 6: of our voting system, I think he's gonna end up 727 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 6: like outscoring him Sala. But I think for me a 728 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 6: dark horse, I'm gonna say I'm gonna go with sala. 729 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 7: I think, sala. 730 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,439 Speaker 6: I'm on the spot, and you know what, No, Yeah, 731 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,319 Speaker 6: number one pick for MVP this year, it's going to 732 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:21,320 Speaker 6: be Nathaniel Hackett. 733 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 5: I'm gonna go with the hacket. 734 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 7: I'm gonna go with Hackett. 735 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 6: And then my dark horse, who we have not talked 736 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 6: about yet is Mkole Hardman because he's there now and 737 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 6: he has such a big personality I talked with I 738 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 6: spent some time with him last year before training camp 739 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 6: at a shoot with a couple soccer players for the 740 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:48,720 Speaker 6: international program, and he is so outgoing and bubbly and gregarious, 741 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,399 Speaker 6: like he can command attention for a room. 742 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 7: Also, his nickname is Jet I don't know if you 743 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,560 Speaker 7: know that, And so he's just when he was. 744 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, So he has this like iced out Shane that 745 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 6: says on It just feels like he's kind of made 746 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:03,719 Speaker 6: for the cameras and New York. 747 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,399 Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, that's a good one. And I don't 748 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 5: want to spook you about your hacket pick. 749 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,239 Speaker 4: But remember last year when we did the Hard Knocks 750 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,280 Speaker 4: podcast of the Lions, we spent half the every episode 751 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 4: being like, where's Ben Johnson? 752 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 5: He's mia the offensive coordinator. 753 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 4: And then the Lions had one of the best offenses 754 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 4: in the league, and now all anybody could talk about 755 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 4: is Ben Johnson. So will Hackett be if he gets 756 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 4: the Ben Johnson treatment, We're going to be surprised against. 757 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 4: But he's such a he's such a juicy narrative topic 758 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,320 Speaker 4: that I think it's going to be impossible to imagine 759 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,840 Speaker 4: him not having a big role. I have a fearless prediction. 760 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 4: I don't know if you have one, kind of I 761 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 4: don't want to put. 762 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 7: You on the spot, but let me let me hear yours. 763 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,359 Speaker 4: Okay, my fearless prediction is you know the sad hard 764 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,760 Speaker 4: Knocks music, You know what I mean, that's sad Mkai 765 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 4: becked in the former first round pick who they They've 766 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 4: been so patient waiting for him. He's missed the past 767 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:58,239 Speaker 4: two years with injuries. He's had conditioned conditioning issues. There's 768 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,400 Speaker 4: been a lot of talk about whether he is invested 769 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:02,879 Speaker 4: in the way you need to be to be a star. 770 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 4: The Jets kind of would love for him to be 771 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 4: a starting tackle this year. He struggled out at the 772 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 4: outset of camp here with both his play in practice 773 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 4: and also his knee is giving him issues. Still, my 774 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,879 Speaker 4: fearless prediction is that you're gonna hear the sad Hard 775 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,880 Speaker 4: Knocks music after Becton has been traded for a conditional 776 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,759 Speaker 4: fourth round pick late in training camp, and you're gonna 777 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,880 Speaker 4: see his and we don't know how the Jet how 778 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 4: much access we're gonna get in terms of like a 779 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 4: conversation like that if Becton's in the room, but we're 780 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,839 Speaker 4: gonna see the locker being cleaned out, we're gonna see 781 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 4: him leaving the facility in a car. That is a 782 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,239 Speaker 4: fearless prediction on Hard Knocks, and that would be for 783 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 4: the amount of investment that Jets have had in Bectin. 784 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:46,759 Speaker 5: That is my call. 785 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 6: Say it ain't so I don't want to see it, Dan, 786 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 6: I'm not gonna. I'm not supporting this because I don't 787 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,280 Speaker 6: want it to be spoken into existing. 788 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 5: He's so talented. 789 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:56,840 Speaker 4: I would love for him to have a great camp 790 00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,440 Speaker 4: and that be a positive storyline. But I'll ask you 791 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 4: a little net negative on that one. Rich Simini threw 792 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 4: out there also Dalvin Cook famously, if you're a Jets 793 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 4: and you remember the ending. A perfect ending to the 794 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,759 Speaker 4: Hard Knock season in twenty ten was Revus after his 795 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 4: long holdout and as contentious as it was in this 796 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,359 Speaker 4: meeting at Roscoe Diner in upstate New York. The show 797 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 4: ends with Revs coming onto the field and joining his 798 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,000 Speaker 4: teammates after signing the contract. Could it be Dalvin Cook? 799 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:26,920 Speaker 4: As Samini said, I like that as well. That's a 800 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 4: little more positive. 801 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,280 Speaker 5: How about that. 802 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,239 Speaker 7: That's great. I love these parallels too. 803 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,600 Speaker 6: I mean the I totally forgot about that scene with 804 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,840 Speaker 6: Darrell Reevs walking on It was so dramatic, like this is. 805 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,960 Speaker 6: It's one of the best franchise is Hard Knocks in 806 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,400 Speaker 6: in sports, and because we're so starved for football, it 807 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,040 Speaker 6: hits at the exact right time during training camp, at 808 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 6: least this first one. 809 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:50,239 Speaker 7: It's going to be so good. 810 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,240 Speaker 5: Dan, absolutely, I cannot wait. 811 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,359 Speaker 4: It is the greatest sports docu series ever and they're 812 00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,440 Speaker 4: not paying me to say that. I've always thought that 813 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,279 Speaker 4: that Hard Knocks is just different. It's wonderfully done. And 814 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,880 Speaker 4: then they have a great subject in the Jets this season. 815 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 4: So we are amped to be back with today's episode 816 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 4: and then five more to come starting Tuesday. And yes, 817 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:16,400 Speaker 4: we will have episodes up every Tuesday night on the 818 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,560 Speaker 4: night of airing. We'll have that to you, So please 819 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 4: have that ready and follow along on the journey with us. 820 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,200 Speaker 4: Hit the music, Eric behind the Glass and Colleen. You 821 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,880 Speaker 4: are on the road doing your thing for NFL Network, 822 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 4: but get back to the studio. I'll be without you 823 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,040 Speaker 4: for a part of the premiere, but for the rest 824 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,640 Speaker 4: of the ride, it's me and you Jets. 825 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:37,520 Speaker 5: How about that. 826 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 4: Let's go the most compelling team in football till Tuesday. 827 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:51,360 Speaker 5: Heed the call.