1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to my show, Money Making Conversation Masterclass. I am 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: your host with Sean McDonald. I recognize that we all 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: have different definitions of success. For you, it may be 4 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 1: the size of your paycheck. Mine has inspired people to 5 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: develop a plan to reach their dreams. It's time to 6 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,319 Speaker 1: start reading other people's success stories to start writing your own. 7 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: You can only see the expectations by believing in yourself. 8 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: People always talk about their purpose of gifts. If you 9 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: have a gift because you read about it on social 10 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: media all the time. People are always talking about that passion, 11 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: then leave with your gifts and importantly here this don't 12 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: let your friends, family, or coworker stop you from planning 13 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: living your dreams. My guest today is Longtime Relationship James 14 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: du bos his general manager of foxhol Network. Foxhold is 15 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: the black community premier free streaming platform. Sermon. This is 16 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: what they say in the advertising and I love it. 17 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: Unapologetically black, consumable by all entertainment around the clock. With 18 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: over thirteen hundred hours of live and interactive programming annually, 19 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: Fox sold is home for some of the most iconic 20 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: faces and voices of our culture. Under James leadership to 21 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: streaming challenge going from concept. I was there concept when 22 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: him Steve Brown Boy, it was just a local thing 23 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: in l A. Not look at it now, Bro, fifty 24 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: five million viewers in less than two years as a 25 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: long time television producer, filmmaker and entertainment industry executive. Because 26 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about this his brothers with from Phil Collins, 27 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: Karvied hard p did he whoo. His resume is way 28 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: beyond this, but it prepared him to do and be 29 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: able to man a network like that. And you can 30 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: throw in this nation to now with James and his 31 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 1: current title in the role Fox Soldiers leading the charge 32 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: and showcasing the diversity of black experiences. Please working the 33 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: money Making Conversation master Class the one and Oly James 34 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: du Bose, How you on, my friend? I'm doing well man, 35 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: Thank you for having And first of all, James, you 36 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: look good and you look young. That that's that's good, Bro, 37 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: that's good. Look good that that little acts black dog crack. 38 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: Is it working for you? I listened. Both of those 39 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 1: are not true. Man. Listen that intro you just did that. 40 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: That motivation I don't I don't know how to follow that. 41 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. But that's what your network is. Your 42 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: network is that motivation, Your network is, you know, and 43 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: I want to I want to talk about you. I 44 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: want to talk about the network because it has so 45 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: many different levels and when this whole world of you know, 46 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: because you have you know, let's let'sen to all this conversation. 47 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: You have BT out there that started with the music 48 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: videos launched on all and they went into the reality stream. 49 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: The TV one jumped out there, but we still were 50 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: shining away from what I like to call news real 51 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: cultural context conversations because either b T or TV one 52 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: thought that okay, that that wasn't ratings wise, it didn't win. 53 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: And on your network you have it that you have 54 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: the two stories, you have the the the conversations. That's 55 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: why I think your network is important. And that's why 56 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: one of the reasons I wanted to bring you on 57 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: the show, just to talk about that whole concept and 58 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: maintaining that integrity. I appreciate that, you know, the difference 59 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: is to be quite honest, when we started this and 60 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: you were there in the in the very beginning, was 61 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 1: there was no way I was gonna come out the 62 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: gating and compete against BT Revolt TV one and so forth, 63 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: because they had this head started this marathon. But the 64 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: one thing I felt was very important that would separate 65 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: us was to truly give our community and our culture 66 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: a voice, unapologetically voice where they could come and speak 67 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: publicly what we normally only discussed provacily, privately, privately within 68 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: the world, the provicy of our own homes. And similar 69 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: to you, like what I mentioned, your name, everyone knows 70 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: your name right and and and everyone knows your name. 71 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: You've done so much, but to the point is that 72 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: you they've seeing your name on credits, they know what 73 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: you've helped others to build, but they've never really had 74 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: an opportunity to hear your voice, to hear your perspective, 75 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: to get inside your mind and to learn from And 76 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: that's what um being authentic with the voices that we 77 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: have on Fox. So but I felt was very important 78 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: because everyone has a story and a lot of us 79 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: our stories needs to be heard and everyone can teach 80 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: us something, but we normally don't get those voices on 81 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: traditional outlets, And so it fought so I'm gonna bring 82 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: the voices or we wanted to bring the voice that 83 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: has the perspective that we can learn from um and 84 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: that we could pick up a book of our own people, 85 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: of our own culture that is trying to get us 86 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: to the next level. We learn how to work together, 87 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 1: but most importantly speak the truth of what we have 88 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: to deal with on the day to day basis of 89 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: baby who we are in this in this world. You know, 90 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 1: it's really interesting because you know this this is my perspective, 91 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: you know, because you know you have CNN out there 92 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: and say, ye have Fox News and you like you say, 93 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: you every vote out there, you have you know, TV 94 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 1: one out there, you have b T. Those are more 95 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:04,919 Speaker 1: commercial driven platforms. But the Fox News as an identified audience, 96 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: they know exactly who they're talking about. And then they've 97 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: they've they've the cultivate that arguments and turning into a 98 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 1: revenue generator because the advertisers know exactly who they're talking to. 99 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: Is there a model you're you're you're replicating or this 100 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: just an original format that you're putting out there. Just 101 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: just really getting into the culture and giving us a 102 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 1: voice that speaks for us. Because that's what I see 103 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: when I go to a Fox Soul. Well, I mean, 104 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: the bottom line is, like you just said, Fox News 105 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: knows who they're talking to. Yes, I know who I'm 106 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: talking right, right, right, I and I and I think 107 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: that audience to who we're trying to talk to is 108 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: extremely valuable. Our black community is extremely valuable, and I 109 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 1: want to give them a voice and speak to them 110 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 1: in a way that we were sitting around the table, 111 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: we would have that honest conversation. Now, you can't imagine 112 00:05:55,240 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 1: starting Fox So through Fox was Hodd that's going what 113 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: happened with Fox News? Right? I used to get that 114 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: question for the first two You know that the cause 115 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 1: we had in the beginning, you know Fox exactly, exactly exactly. 116 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: But I think when you do watch Fox Soul, I 117 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:17,919 Speaker 1: don't get those questions no more because when you watch 118 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: and you listen to the voices and what we say, 119 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: you realize that there's nobody not of the culture pulling 120 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: the strength for us. And it was very important that 121 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 1: I wasn't just gonna be the black face of this 122 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: thing and someone that's not on the culture pull of 123 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: the streams. And we couldn't do we wanted to do 124 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: and say what we wanted to say in the proper way, 125 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: which is very important. So Fox So is the place 126 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: that you could be your authentic self and you can 127 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 1: speak your truth, whatever that may be. UM. And so 128 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 1: that's who I'm speaking to that audience, the culture in 129 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 1: a way that we can't go anywhere else and and 130 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: and talk that talk if you will, right, I was 131 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: speaking of James de bos He's the general manager of 132 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: Fox Soul Network. Fox sold is the black community premier 133 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: free streaming platform serving unapologetically black consumable by all entertainment 134 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: around the club. And the reason I bring it up 135 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: this is a perfect time. You know, we just come 136 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: off an election period. Here did that? How did did 137 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: you shift in the programming? We always had programming in 138 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: place for allow us to say this is where you 139 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: can come. I know you didn't do a election night 140 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: and things like that. Is that where were eventually gonna 141 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: go with some of your programming because of the fact 142 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: that we know when I go there, I know I'm 143 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: going there for for our organic conversations that are authentic. 144 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: What is the vision? Because that's what I felt that 145 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: I was missing and not just saying there's nothing negative 146 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: because when I because I I don't get it on revote, 147 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: I don't get it on b T, I don't get 148 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: it on TV one, and that's that's one of these 149 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: otherest conversations because I felt I wanted it there. But 150 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: is that part of the programming the future? So speaking 151 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: of the terms, I don't know if you're aware. I 152 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: preempted all of our programming on on Tuesday and we 153 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: did a six hour election night block with with with 154 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: on Fox should Uh dominated printing, We had Ednia, we 155 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: had guests come in, We spoke about how the midterm 156 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: election would affect our community and our culture for six hours, 157 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: Um and I preempted everything. It was extremely important. We 158 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: wanted to teach UM maybe the part of the community 159 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:33,319 Speaker 1: that wasn't as into politics because they don't really speak 160 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: to us on all the outlets we were. We did that, 161 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: we were able to do that, We would continue to 162 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: do that. So that is a big part anything that's 163 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 1: going to affect the community. Box should is going to 164 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: be a part of it. Until we'll no longer here, 165 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: We'll be right back with more Money Making Conversations Masterclass 166 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: with Rushan McDonald. Now let's return to Money Making Conversations 167 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: Masterclass with Rushan McDonald. Well, that's that's powerful because of 168 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: the fact that I'm sorry I missed it because you know, 169 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: because of the thing about it is that what I 170 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: just try to do, James, and just trying to extend 171 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: the vos, you know, working with Steve Harvey and working 172 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: with Steven A. Smith and you know, and work with 173 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: other clients that I've had over the years, and being 174 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: able to produce shows the message I've always wanted to 175 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: give out his information and we can change the world 176 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: if we participate. And your network that you're overseeing as 177 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: a network, I feel is one of those consumable using 178 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: when your tagline networks that allow us to come there 179 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: to win, and I consider the winning streaming network for 180 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 1: black people. Your thoughts, No, absolutely, and again um respectfully 181 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: speaking of the uh the elections to be terms again 182 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: for black people, where else can you go and get 183 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: the news like that? Right? And it's rhetorical, but I 184 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: just want to answer the question. Right. We have our 185 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:00,319 Speaker 1: daily news show called The Black People. People should tune 186 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: into that. It is of the culture, by the culture. 187 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: We're talking about news that affects us and not just 188 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: the psychologically stabilitated news. Because if you just watch news 189 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: about us five days a week, every day, we're dying, 190 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: going to jail, just that and the other. We have 191 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: a balance. We speak about the real news, but we 192 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: also showcase the black excellence. We also showcase things that 193 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: that a balance in the culture that no one UM 194 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: really talks about on traditional outlets. So I really want 195 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: people to dive into as we leave further into this 196 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: news thing UM is to really think about watching the 197 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: Black Reports. Tune into that for just one episode, do 198 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: you come back? Because it's not like any other news outlet. 199 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: It is truly a news show. We speak about the 200 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: news and so forth. So in terms of winning, I 201 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: think SO is the premiere and I understand this is promotion. 202 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: I really believe it's It is the premiere destination for 203 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 1: black content for two reasons. You can speak your mind 204 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: and you can hear your thoughts live without it being 205 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: watered down. My goal was to do with Fox so 206 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: to the community, which is the reason I say unapologetically 207 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: black but consumer by all is what I felt like 208 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: hip hop did for the music UM industry. Everyone thought 209 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: when it first came out it wasn't gonna last. It's 210 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: just coming from the hood and so forth. Now the 211 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: non black coach consumer more hip hop than the black 212 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:26,559 Speaker 1: coach itselfs right because they've learned to respect our voices, 213 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: to respect our truth, if you will, and to what 214 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: I call going on the safari, you can go see 215 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,199 Speaker 1: the dangers that we have to face every day without 216 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: having to get bit by any animals that our bought. 217 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: And so that's that's that's that's what hip hop is 218 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 1: and so Fox. So we want you to participate. We 219 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: want everyone to participate. It is very important and um 220 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: that we do that because we have a voice that 221 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: I feel like it respect, it should be respected even 222 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 1: more and can bring all cultures together through through the 223 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: p o V of black people and us being on things. 224 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: When you know the beauty of what you're doing over there, 225 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: when did you realize because everything is a job. You 226 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: know that, James an opportunity to you. You know, it's 227 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: a check that gets you excited and then the creative part. 228 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: But bottom line, we gotta get paid and we gotta 229 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: we gotta think that we're making a difference. When did 230 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: you realize that, Man, I'm only something. I'm overseeing something 231 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: that you know, because I know you're like me. We 232 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 1: want to change the world. Man, You know that somewhere 233 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: along the line this is one of those projects that 234 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: you're overseeing. Seriously, I feel can change the world. Because 235 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: when you stream, you stream internationally. They see that show 236 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: in Africa, they see that show in Brazil, they see 237 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: it in Russia. That's the type of content that we 238 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: are under that we're not tied to a cable network 239 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: which maybe only be seen in the States. That's a 240 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: powerful statement tied to your network that you're distributing this 241 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: type of content worldwide. Absolutely, I felt like we were 242 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: onto something. Again, it goes back to you was I 243 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: knew he was there in the beginning when they first 244 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: came to me to to actually helped put this together 245 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: from ground zero. It wasn't like they decided to do 246 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 1: this and this was up and running and then they're like, hey, 247 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: we need someone to run this thing. If the question 248 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: was how do we do this, how do we do 249 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: it in an authentic way, and how do we do 250 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: it facing the elephant in the room that many people 251 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: are gonna have that question of how it is fostering 252 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: to do a black network when they are a money 253 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: making machine behind Foster News. So once they said to me, 254 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:29,959 Speaker 1: we're gonna give you the runway and get out your 255 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: way I knew then that we were gonna be onto 256 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: something because my whole career, I've been blessed the good, 257 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 1: the bad, the ups and downs, is feeding the culture. 258 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: So I've been doing what the culture has been thirsty for, 259 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: if you will. And this game an opportunity to to 260 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: to to sort of feed that hunger and quinch that 261 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: thirst in an authentic way. And and it's a job, 262 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: and we're not there yet, um, But every day I 263 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: get the opportunity to do that, man, and wake up 264 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: and and and you know, I'm extremely blessed to do that. 265 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 1: I just want all other culture to give it an opportunity, 266 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: um to do that like they do other other outlets. 267 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: And I know it's new, we all it would be 268 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: three years old Jane w thirteenth of next year. But 269 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: I think with that said, it's incredible. But what the 270 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: whole team has been able to accomplish in a short 271 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: period of time and the number of eyeballs and incredibility 272 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: that we brought the Fox Farm. Wow, you're saying three years, man, 273 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: that's how it feels like five. Really? If you know 274 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: when I when I got the type of content y'all 275 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: putting out there, Let's talk about some content, you know, 276 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: like like I really do enjoyed the Book of Sean. 277 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: I love you got you know, I'm gonna throw out 278 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: some name. We're gonna come back his show, you know, 279 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: Tammy Max show, Uh, Claudia and George. She all over everything. 280 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: I like, high energy, Viica Fox. Will she ever get old? 281 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: She's on that doing her thing. So so you you 282 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: got a little bit of everything on that show. So 283 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: let's start with the names that you you know, want 284 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: to say, viviicul fist to Claudia Jordan's and the Tammy 285 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: Max because they got outlets. You know, she does radio 286 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: in l A. Because all over the place, Clardia and 287 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: Jordan the face of hosts and different shows. That's the 288 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: name that brings the eyeballs to you guys. Is that 289 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: is that? Then Tammy Ron. But don't want to forget 290 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: about her, you know it is that? Is that strategically 291 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: why they're entied to the network or they brought ideas 292 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: to you and you said, let's go with it. Well, 293 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: a couple of things. You know, we've had Angela yee 294 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: um jeezy. I don't want to forget anyone that's really 295 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: got man on down, rape Frocket and yes, of course 296 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: all the names and you just name the idea. Again, 297 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: it wasn't necessarily about the celebrity factor of it. It 298 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: was about people who had a perspective that hadn't been 299 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: heard on a consistent basis, that that wanted to speak 300 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: their truth. So, you know, Villica Less to have a 301 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: vivigat Fox on on the network, Lisa Ray Um Selena Johnson. 302 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: This that was actually born out of from Claudia Claudio 303 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: Jordan's UM. They had a segment with with with these 304 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: Ladies one time on UM that the Queens show, the 305 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: Cree Show, Yeahs with the Queens, and it did so 306 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: well and we decided to make to make a weekly 307 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: show out of it. And if you really won't fall 308 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: into that show, you see a different side of those ladies. 309 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: You see the the emotional side, You see the queen 310 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: side that they really are, how smart these these ladies are. 311 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: You get the opportunity to hear that perspective on a 312 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: variety of subject matter that is happening in the world. 313 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: And I think that's why UM that show is so 314 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: successful for us because and also importantly is that you're 315 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: seeing queens lifting other queens up on on on. I'm 316 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: afraid of that show. I remember when it first came out, 317 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: because you know, Vivica can talk, and Claude that can talk, 318 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: and Lata in the beginning she was real quiet. I 319 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: don't know, you know, it's kind of like jumping rope. 320 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: She didn't know when to jump in. Oh no, that 321 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: ain't the case. No, my brother another that. No, No, 322 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 1: they're all they found their voice. I think they found 323 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 1: that rhythm. And again, you gotta understand it's difficult as well. 324 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: This show was born in the pandemic, right and in 325 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: a zoom say, it's not like they were ever in 326 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 1: the studio together to feel that energy to play off 327 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: one another there at home, um, having to play off 328 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: each other and understand that so so so so it 329 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: takes you know, it takes a little bit to do that. 330 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: But they found that really man, and that is a huge, huge, 331 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 1: huge show. Fuss. That's something I don't want to use 332 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: the word blessing when you talking about the pandemic. But 333 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 1: the pandemic did change the way we watched TV. You know, 334 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: stars were zooming in and they would becoming acceptable instead 335 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: of having to come into a studio, people understood. Okay, 336 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 1: I'm this is consumable to me. I'm enjoying this. This 337 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:54,919 Speaker 1: is cool when you look at the whole thing. Was 338 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 1: the way that when the country got shut down, we 339 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: were we were affected by the endemic. Was that a 340 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 1: good thing from a programming standpoint? I know Netflix screams 341 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: about they numbers during the pandaemia were off the chain. 342 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: A lot of people said, online sales off the chain. 343 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: How what positive impact did it have on Foxhold? Um, 344 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: it really expanded the network. It allowed our footprint to 345 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: really go to a broader place because you didn't have 346 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: to be in led to be a part of the shows. Um, 347 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: you could doom them. So that way we were able 348 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: to get the most influential voices of the culture that 349 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 1: we could have. And it really worked. And so I 350 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 1: don't think wherever go back to being a traditional studio network. 351 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: If you will, there's gonna be some sort of a 352 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: hybrid because we still need to be able to reach 353 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 1: people no matter where they are. UM to be a 354 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: part of foxel We'll be right back with more Money 355 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: Making Conversations Masterclass with Rushan McDonald. Now, let's return to 356 00:18:55,600 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 1: Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rashan McDonald. Well, let's talk 357 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,439 Speaker 1: about a little bit about your past, which is all good. 358 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: And I was teaching you all fair. You know, he's 359 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: a man. We look at his resume, y'all. You know 360 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: he got Phil Columns, he got Kevin Hall, he got 361 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: p Diddy. You know he got Keshia Cole. You know 362 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: all these just just name a few, because resume going 363 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: all the way back to nine Night and that. Okay, 364 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: so then it like it started last week. Okay. Now 365 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: that's a lot going on. There's a lot of star 366 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,199 Speaker 1: power and a lot of diversity, a lot of different personalities. 367 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,400 Speaker 1: How do you work those relationships plus doing reality shows? 368 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: At one time he used the King of the reality Shows. 369 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: So I mean, since you have a skill set of communication, 370 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: that's really vital to get for people to feel comfortable 371 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 1: around you, James, and also to trust you talk about that. 372 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 1: But you know, um as you know, relationships is extremely important, 373 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: and I think a part of just just my truth 374 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 1: a big part of the reality show success. I think 375 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: I've been blessed with a gift to just be a 376 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: great storytelling, but to also recognize things and people that 377 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 1: most of us want to know about. Um So, everybody. 378 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: If you look at all my most of my shows 379 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: in the reality space, from Keisha Code Tied Intoya Monica, 380 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,959 Speaker 1: Trade or they were at a crossroads in their lives 381 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: and and and and what they were able to to 382 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 1: to trust me with was the fact that I built 383 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 1: a genuine relationship with them first and foremost. That I 384 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: wasn't here to sensualize their lives. Is that I wanted 385 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: to for them to entertain, but also educate and inspire 386 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: others that may be going through what they're going through. 387 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: Because I don't care who you are, how much money 388 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: you have, what your name is, you wake up every 389 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,959 Speaker 1: day and fighting something. We have to fight something every day. 390 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 1: And so I tried to use that model UM in 391 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 1: a sense to tell you truth. Not only people will 392 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: respect that a lot more UM, but they would get 393 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: to know you a lot more than whatever other product 394 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: that you have. When this reality show goes away and 395 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: they can us go off and they do and they 396 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: do for everybody, you still want to have a brand 397 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: that people respect because you was honest and open with them. 398 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: And so that was really just my my conversation. But 399 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: a part of that UM rather just to be quite 400 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: frank a part of that too, because I saw a 401 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: lot of the pain that it was dealing with that 402 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 1: I was hot and from my own life. Um and 403 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 1: at the height of my success, I was probably at 404 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 1: the lowest point of my life um to to a 405 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 1: point where depression was like suicide and the whole thing. 406 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: Um and and and a beautiful sister who we both know, 407 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: Lorita Jones, um like save me like she called me 408 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 1: in the office one night and in October two thirteen 409 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 1: and and and in five minutes of the conversation she 410 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: basically said, I'm gonna send you to get help because 411 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 1: I'm not paying for your funeral. And so I say 412 00:21:55,960 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: that to say this is outside looking in assess. Is 413 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 1: one thing what I've learned through that process, and I 414 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: speak about this a lot, is I didn't have a 415 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: love for myself. I depended on the success. I depended 416 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: on the validation of everyone else. Um And that goes 417 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: back far not to get too deep into it. By entrepreneurship, 418 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 1: and the first business you have to learn to run 419 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: is you and you can never do that if you 420 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 1: don't have a real genuine love for yourself. And I 421 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 1: never had that. So when when the love stopped or 422 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: I had eventually your inner world create your out of 423 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: world and it would catch up to you. And I said, 424 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: and it's for anyone young that's listened to this, as 425 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: entrepreneurs that think money or success or been around certain 426 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 1: people's gonna it's gonna make you okay. It is not. 427 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 1: You gotta know how to be okay all by yourself, 428 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,679 Speaker 1: to fulfill your love cup alone, and then when you 429 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: get it from other people, the business will be fine, 430 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: will continue. And I didn't have that. Unfortunately, I didn't 431 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: have people to talk to, or I didn't know how 432 00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 1: to talk to. I tried to I end up instead 433 00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: of build it on my success, I spent fifteen years 434 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 1: of my life living a lot trying to hide the 435 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: bay that I was in because I didn't know what 436 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: to say. So I really wanted to get that out 437 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: because but I do feel like the blessing of it all. 438 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: But it was everything I've been through an experience built 439 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: me to authentically build fox soul in what we're trying 440 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: to make absolutely my story was speaking absolutely. You know 441 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: I'm a piggyback that because success is really interesting. I 442 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: can remember when um, when I was with Steve Harvey. 443 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: You know, it was just backt like we was just 444 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: taking over the world. And it's something about being number 445 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: one because you gotta stay there. I always tell people 446 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: it's fun to climbing, but when you get there, that's 447 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: when you have to stay. And then there's a there's 448 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: a hidden pressure, sometimes self created, that you gotta be bad. 449 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: You don't he said something very key. I didn't know 450 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: who to talk to because it wasn't anybody like me 451 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: that I can go to. And it was the same 452 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 1: thing with him. And when he's still rocking the road. 453 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, but one time when you said 454 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 1: black reality, so you said his name and you said 455 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: it a lot. And but who do you turn through? 456 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: Who do you trust? Who you show a sign of 457 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: weakness to? You know, all those things come into play 458 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: that would mentally drained you, and it did to me. 459 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: I just stepped back. I had to go. I gotta 460 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: step back. This is too much success can be too much. 461 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 1: Money is not the issue anymore. Is the relationships is 462 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: people you can call taking vacations, get off that little 463 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: that little will because something worried about it. If you 464 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: don't get off, it will be if you get back 465 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: on it that is so profound that you're saying that, 466 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: because it is very relatable to me. Because I didn't. 467 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,679 Speaker 1: I felt victim to my own success because I couldn't trust. 468 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 1: I didn't have time for my family or they got 469 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: the money, they got the perks, but I never had time, 470 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: didn't celebrate the birthdays. I should have celebrated all those 471 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: if I went on vacation. I was kind of like 472 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: working real hard on my vacations. So what you're saying 473 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 1: is necessary, but it also lets you appreciate when people 474 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 1: are sick on the job. Family first, you know, I 475 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: want to go on vacation, take your days off, you know, 476 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: learn from my mistakes. I won't. I won't tie you 477 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: up like I tied tied your life up. That is 478 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 1: really important, And thank you for saying that. Man, I 479 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,360 Speaker 1: wanted to pick you back and let you know I've 480 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: been there and I wan't allow myself to go back. No. 481 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: I appreciate you saying that. And you know, a big 482 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: part of it is actually speaking and talking about it, 483 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: so I don't go back there. But I've also learned 484 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: that that is actually strength and being involnerable. So I 485 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: appreciate you saying that and giving me um that validation 486 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: as well. But because sometimes you think you only one 487 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,239 Speaker 1: in the world going through what you're going through at 488 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: that time, I would tell you, I mnuna just share 489 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: a story, man, it's a It's always this story I 490 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 1: always sits in my head. Was it was an employer. 491 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: I was a show I want name the show, and 492 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 1: she had planned a vacation and and I wouldn't later 493 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: take that vacation because I said, you take the vacation, 494 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: then you're gonna have the job when you come back. 495 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: And and and to this day, I regret that because I 496 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: know that that was a selfish move on my part 497 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 1: and I was more concerned about me than the people 498 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 1: around me. And so moving forward, since that always stays 499 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: in my head, I always listen to people. I always 500 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 1: understand that they are important, that their spirit, their soul, 501 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: their life is important, and I can't allow their lives 502 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: be consumed by my dreams. So so that's my take 503 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 1: on that. Because of the fact that you just hit 504 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 1: home with me when you started talking like that, I 505 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,959 Speaker 1: just had to bring it out. No, I appreciate that 506 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 1: these are the conversations. I love it. That's why I'm 507 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: grateful for being what I also want to say as 508 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: we close out, James. First of all, thank you for 509 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: taking the time. I am an outlet for your for 510 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: your talent, and I say that with no strings attached. 511 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: My newsletter goes out. You can signed up. It goes 512 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: out every two two o'clock on the dot. It's just 513 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: standard time every Wednesday, six or six thousand plus and growing. 514 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: And that allows me to talk to my apologetic black 515 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,959 Speaker 1: fan club members who I know will appreciate your unapologetic, 516 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: unapologetic streaming audiences into your home. That you know, man, 517 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: you're telling our story. And I know I have nothing 518 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 1: negative when I talk about BT or Revolte or you know, 519 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 1: uh TV one. But what you're doing, brother, we gotta 520 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,400 Speaker 1: keep supporting it. Fox Soul is home, and I appreciate 521 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: you monitoring it and keeping the doors open for us. Man. No, 522 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,919 Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Thank you for saying that, man, And 523 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: that's uh, let's figure out how to make that news. 524 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: Let it go, brother, Let's make it a win win. 525 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: Anything I can do to help that, that's that's what we. 526 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: Thank you, Jane for taking the time, and we're gonna 527 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: talk sooner. Brother. I appreciate thank you