1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 2: Single best idea and lots to talk about here. The 3 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 2: market's a real movement a couple of days ago off 4 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 2: of maybe the Supreme Court questioning and up and back 5 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,799 Speaker 2: and vacillating that, trying to set up to get to 6 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 2: the end of the fourth quarter, and of course arching 7 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 2: over all of this is the government shut down. Ana 8 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 2: Wong just absolutely brilliant today with their direct knowledge of 9 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 2: how these institutions run, Doctor Wang of Bloomberg Economics, really 10 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,959 Speaker 2: really quite good. What a joy and sometimes you make 11 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 2: your luck. Holgersch meeting with us and our team new 12 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 2: to get Holger schmeting a Barrenberg bank in is the 13 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 2: Bank of England news was released and I'm like, yeah, okay, 14 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 2: so what Bank of England? Nobody cares guess what for 15 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 2: American For everybody within economics, finance, investment, in international relations 16 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 2: today the Bank of England matter why it was a 17 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 2: five to four decision. I can't say enough about the 18 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 2: nakedness of their approach versus the choreographed ballet of the 19 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 2: Washington Fed a five to four decision there, Governor Bailey's 20 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 2: headlines were absolutely riveting. Holger Schmiding of Behrenberg Bank and 21 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 2: the Bank of England on the FED. 22 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: I would say it's a good talking point, but descent 23 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 1: on its own is not always good. It depends on 24 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: what the arguments are. And in a way this descent 25 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 1: shows that we are in rather uncertain times. The Bank 26 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: of England really is having in a quandary. Inflation very high, 27 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: but the economy likely to slow. So what do they 28 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: do in the. 29 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 3: Reset to a higher inflation rank going from one point 30 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 3: ninety two percent out to two point x Dare I 31 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 3: say three percent? There's a culture for that in America. 32 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 3: Maybe there's a culture for that in pre Brexit England. 33 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 3: In Germany, to pocote the economist Bart Simpson, they're going 34 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 3: to have a cow. How is Germany going to react 35 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 3: to a new higher inflation regime? 36 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: Well, Germany will probably be part of the higher inflation 37 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: regime for a simple reason. We have labor shortages coming 38 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: across most of the advanced world, especially in the US 39 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: thanks to well net immigration dropping to zero over here, 40 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: and in Europe demography plays a road. 41 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 2: What a joy to have Holger Schmidding in our studios 42 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 2: in New York. He is just absolutely definitive on the continent. 43 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 2: There's an assumption here, folks that at some point out there, 44 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 2: for any number of reasons, including Chinese dynamics, that we 45 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 2: see the opposite of inflation or disinflation. The win of 46 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 2: that is a huge mystery. Brian Belski with us today, 47 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 2: a legendary BMO Capital Markets. Here is someone who has 48 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 2: said participate in the market, have the courage to believe 49 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 2: in the American experiment. He sets up shop out of 50 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 2: Tampa in Minnesota. Brian Belski and his team Humillis Investment. 51 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 2: Here is Belski on the moment at hand for the 52 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 2: stock market. 53 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 4: I think we're in kind of this conundrum right now. 54 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 4: Markets actually have held in there a little bit better 55 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 4: than we thought. We thought we'd actually get a little 56 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 4: bit more of a pullback here. I think one of 57 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 4: the problems with the market is there are too many 58 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 4: bulls here at the end of this big bull cycle, 59 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 4: or at least the end of the big move this year, 60 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 4: and we really believe that Macro has really done a 61 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 4: disservice to investors really since two thousand and nine. Now, 62 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 4: your question is what happens when we get a flood 63 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 4: of all this data. Again, it could be information overload, 64 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 4: and at the end of the day, we're kind of 65 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 4: looking forward with respect to the with the what's going 66 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 4: to be in terms of these job losses that we 67 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 4: keep hearing about in what the Fed is going to 68 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 4: do in twenty twenty six back up and yields to 69 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 4: five percent clearly has put a dampening on the broadening 70 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 4: out trade on a near term basis. 71 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 2: Brian Belski of humillis, what am I going to do? 72 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 2: And there's a shutdown, and there's any number of opinions 73 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 2: on this. Anna Wog was brilliant about if we get 74 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 2: to I believe it's next Saturday, like eight nine days away, 75 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,679 Speaker 2: then it's a mystery to December. I don't know anything 76 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 2: about that. What I do know is I'm going to 77 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 2: really pay attention to Jason Furman's wonderful work at Harvard 78 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 2: where he teaches X ten on annualized rates of inflation 79 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 2: once we get the data in, and I'm also going 80 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 2: to look to Anna Wong and her wonderful work with 81 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 2: Bloomberg Economics. The granularity. You know, we make jokes about it. 82 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 2: We talked to Anna Wog about McDonald's and all that, 83 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 2: the work, the granularity of what all of our guests 84 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 2: do is just is not to be underestimated. We're out 85 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 2: on Apple, on Spotify, thank you particularly to the Pacific 86 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 2: rim for a big Spotify presence, and on YouTube podcasts. 87 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 2: It's single best idea