1 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we don't need a phono 2 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: finish to determine our champs. I'm Greg Rosenthal and beyond 3 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:18,479 Speaker 1: lucky today to be joined by Nick Shook, who is 4 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: going to help us crank through an entire conference of 5 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: camp notes. I love shows like this. Ooh, Shooky. I 6 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: gotta admit I'm still buzzing from that one hundred meter final. 7 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: What a sporting event? Ten seconds every four years like 8 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 1: that is just pure adrenaline. I think it's awesome. 9 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 2: We pass over twelve hundred days just to wait for 10 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 2: those ten seconds, and boy are they thrilling. 11 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: It really is. I'm not even kidding just to have 12 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: that much meaning in that short of time. It just 13 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: in the way that thing finished, it was electric. But 14 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 1: I know a lot of people are watching the Olympics 15 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: this time of year, and that's where we come in. Shook. 16 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: I love these shows because it forces me and you two, 17 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: I know, to kind of go through each team and 18 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: find what the beat writers there are saying and find 19 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: out what's happening in practice, because I know if you 20 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: have normal jobs, you don't have time for this. So 21 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: we're gonna hit all sixteen teams in the AFC will 22 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: hit the NFC on our next show with Jordan rod 23 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: Rieg and yeah, I'm excited. Let's start off with the 24 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,839 Speaker 1: Bills and the AFC East. I'll lead the way here. 25 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 1: A lot going on with the Bills. The thing that 26 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,839 Speaker 1: probably sticks out to me the most is the receiver group. 27 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 1: And I think we're at the point where we can 28 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: trust Khalil Shakir. He's not a wide receiver one in 29 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: the traditional sense, but he to me, is going to 30 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 1: be the guy who's on the field the most for them. 31 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: And then a little bit of a surprise, maybe early 32 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: in camp, is that Marquez Valdez Scantling might be out 33 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: of their top four receiver rotation. There's an undrafted guy 34 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: from a year ago, Tyrell Shavers who's maybe ahead of him, 35 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: and other guys you know, Chase Claypole, kJ Hamler And yeah, 36 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: you think about this team was going to play two 37 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: tight ends a lot, and there are four receivers who 38 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: are going to be Shakir and Coleman and Samuel and 39 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: Mac Collins your guy. And yeah, it looks like MVS 40 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: might be the guy on the on the way out. 41 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not surprised by this though, I mean, if 42 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 2: we saw what his trajectory was like in Kansas City 43 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 2: last year, then this is a team here that threw 44 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 2: a bunch of spaghetti at the wall and are hoping 45 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 2: something sticked in the absence of Stefan Diggs. You know, 46 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 2: they drafted Keyon Coleman to kind of hopefully replace him, 47 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 2: but not expect as much. They're gonna do a committee 48 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 2: type approach at this receiving corps and for MVS to 49 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 2: not be in that group, I mean, if we looked 50 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 2: at what he did last year and where he was going, 51 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 2: not a huge surprise, especially if they like somebody who's cheaper, 52 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 2: who's undrafted. 53 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 3: That sort of thing. Right. 54 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: A couple position battles I find interesting Jamar Hamlin right now. 55 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 1: I mentioned a couple of weeks ago getting starter snaps, 56 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: and the other two guys he's competing with, Mike Edwards 57 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 1: and Cole Bishop, who was the second round safety or rookie, 58 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: are both hurt and there week to week. So that 59 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: might have been Bishop's job. But it's interesting Toamar Hamlin, 60 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: I might actually be an NFL starter this year. And 61 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: then I've kept an eye on just the return veterans 62 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: that were hurt last year. It seems like so far, 63 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: so good for Matt Milano and Von Miller. Of course 64 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: they're gonna say that at this time of year, but 65 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: we also heard them saying it wasn't going so well, 66 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: and so Milano off the acl Miller off just a 67 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: disastrous season. That's one other thing that stuck out. And 68 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: then Ray Davis looks like they're backup running back just 69 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: for the fantasy heads out there making some plays. 70 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's gonna be interesting too, because I think 71 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 2: that's actually a sneaky pick. Not that James Cook isn't 72 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 2: gonna be the lead guy, because he is, but mins 73 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 2: you with the Bills in previous years was that they 74 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 2: didn't run the ball traditionally well. And you know, once 75 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 2: we had the changing offensive coordinator last year and Joe 76 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: Brady took over, it became kind of apparent that they 77 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: could run the ball that way. And James cook value 78 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 2: increased late in the year. So if you have a 79 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 2: backup who's going to get a decent amount of carries, 80 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 2: then hey, keep an eye on him. I'm not much 81 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 2: of a fantasy head myself, at least my friends would 82 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 2: tell you that, but they're going to run the ball 83 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 2: better in a traditional sense that they did in the past. 84 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna draft do a mock draft on the 85 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: show later this week with Clay Vaughn and the fantasy 86 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: guys at the NFL Market scrant and Mike Florio. I'm 87 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: looking forward to that. All right, Let's let's go to 88 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: the Patriots. I was about to say, my Patriots, I'm 89 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: not I'm not there yet. Man. They have a lot 90 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: of questions. Let's start negative with them. I mean, they're 91 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: rotating Chuck Sacora for uh, kind of a guy who 92 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 1: struggled with the Steelers, Kayden Wallace, and Verderian Lowe as 93 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: their three tackles, and none of them are playing well, 94 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 1: none of them are healthy, and they don't really have 95 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: any other option. Calvin Anderson's another journeyman who's also hurt there, 96 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 1: and I think it's going to make it hard to 97 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: evaluate this this offense. That position alone makes me like 98 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: drop the expectation level for this team like a couple wins. 99 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 2: You know, anytime I have to hear Verderian Lowe's name 100 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 2: mentioned in a sentence, I get a little nervous. If 101 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,119 Speaker 2: that's taken as a serious opportunity for him, not because 102 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 2: he's not, you know, a decent player, but that was 103 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 2: a guy that when I saw him in the combine, 104 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, potential there, and then you know, 105 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 2: he flew under the radar and was not notable for 106 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 2: a reason. I mean, it's hard to play offensive line 107 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: at a high level in the NFL, and if you 108 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 2: find yourself in a position where you're considering somebody like that, 109 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 2: I get nervous. I get nervous because you're supposed to 110 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 2: be blocking for a rookie quarterback at least eventually, maybe 111 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 2: not right away, but eventually, and if you have any 112 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 2: sort of weakness there, that's gonna hurt his development as well. 113 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 2: So it just kind of makes me feel a little 114 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 2: bit uneasy about the entire offense in the direction that 115 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 2: they're going. 116 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: Right, it makes me think it's gonna be Jacoby Brissett. 117 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 1: Although you know, I'm someone who I track every you know, 118 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: camp report, and for the most part, it sounds like 119 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: May started picking it up towards the end of the week, 120 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 1: that the offense in general has been picking it up 121 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: towards the end of the week. So I think it 122 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: was a rough first week for may not a shocker, 123 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 1: but it's gone getting better. The other thing I wanted 124 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:37,679 Speaker 1: to hit was the receivers there. I don't think Juju 125 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 1: Smith Schuster is making this team. I don't care how 126 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: much guaranteed money you have. And Javon Baker, who a 127 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: lot of people loved coming out of the draft like, 128 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: is living up to that hype making a lot of 129 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: plays at camp. And it really seems like their top 130 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: four are gonna be two rookies, Javon Baker and Jalen Poke, 131 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: and then to Mario Douglas who popped last year. That's 132 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: his nickname too, and then kJ Osborne has been solid 133 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: for them. That's probably their top four. And that means 134 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: Juju gets cut. Weird team. 135 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 2: Weird team, yeah, I mean, but they're in that transition 136 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 2: phase right now where we don't know what to expect 137 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 2: from with the new head coach, and they've got a 138 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 2: young quarterback and they're gonna have a veteran probably start 139 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:14,559 Speaker 2: in his place. And you have a bunch of different 140 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 2: names of the receiving corps that you look back and think, well, 141 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 2: there's no clear number one, but there's some potential there. 142 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 2: Jalen Polk is with potential and Jalen Baker like if 143 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 2: you saw me, UCF kids just stunned. 144 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: I mean people watching camp are like this guy has 145 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: the most juice, Like, yeah, you don't want to get 146 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: too carried away, but he has transitioned it into padded practice. 147 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: He's getting open. He's a part of their first team. 148 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: So like Juju's not Taekwon Thornton, I don't think will 149 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: be either, And that's fun. If you're going to be bad, 150 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: at least be bad with rookies. Let's go to the 151 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 1: Jets first team offense struggled quite a bit early in camp. There. 152 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 1: Their center has been struggling, like can't snap the ball 153 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,919 Speaker 1: and Rogers is getting all over them all the time. 154 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: It sounds like it got a little better the last 155 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 1: few days before we're recording this, and the thing that 156 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:02,799 Speaker 1: stuck out to me the most is that their offensive 157 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 1: line was finally together on the field late in the week. 158 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: And that's like the first time that Jets have had 159 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: an offensive line that's been healthy in I don't know 160 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: the Robert sala Era, so cross your fingers, but on paper, 161 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: it's a good offensive line. They could be six deep. 162 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: They could you know, they have a good swing tackle 163 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: and for now a bunch of guys coming off big 164 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: injuries like Verah Tucker, it's like, okay, Tyrone Smith, they're 165 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: getting back on the field and for now they're healthy. 166 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: So that that to me is everything. 167 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, Abt when he's healthy is a very 168 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 2: solid guard, and that's when he went down last year. 169 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 2: It was one of the big losses that you looked 170 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 2: at and you, oh, no, they're not going to recover 171 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 2: from that. The Tyron Smith acquisition on paper makes a 172 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 2: ton of sense because you're thinking that's good value for 173 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 2: a veteran. He's a stud, but he doesn't stay healthy. 174 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 2: So to back him up with Olufashanu from Penn State 175 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 2: is a big move in my opinion, because you have 176 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 2: to pretty much prepare to lose Tyron Smith at some point. 177 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 2: And that's the beauty of what they did in the 178 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 2: off season. They knew, like a lot of teams do 179 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 2: this in the off season. They look at it go 180 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,040 Speaker 2: that we're fine. Starting five is fine, you know, in 181 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 2: case of emergency, will figure it out. The Jets have 182 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 2: been burned enough that they now understand that they have 183 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 2: to prepare for that emergency, not saying that that's like 184 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 2: that across the board. But they're still in a better 185 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 2: spot than they were last year, so you do have 186 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 2: to feel encouraged about that. 187 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 3: You just hope that Aaron Rodgers stays healthy. 188 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I and you know Mike Williams has in practice 189 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: and that's not like a shock. He's coming off at 190 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: tourney cl but you know we're getting closer to the season. 191 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: Malachi Corley is a bit of a mystery box, you know. 192 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: I think some days they think he looks pretty good. 193 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: He's a rookie who's maybe pretty unrefined, and then you 194 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: have Alan Lazard is maybe in a big role if 195 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: those guys aren't there. So I think the offense has 196 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: been a little up and down. They lost one of 197 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: their starting corners, Michael Carter for a couple of weeks, 198 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: but sounds like he'll be ready for the season. Tarik 199 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: Cohen retired, so sad to see he was back and retired. 200 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: This has happened a lot, so that was sad. And 201 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: then you know, one thing I noted was Will McDonald 202 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: was their first round pick a year ago and he 203 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: went into the offseason wanting to add weight and he 204 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 1: couldn't get on the field last year, he's still a backup. 205 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: Even though they got rid of Bryce Off and even 206 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: though Hassan Reddick is holding out, he's still behind Chris Clemons. 207 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: And he didn't add any weight. He's two hundred and 208 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 1: thirty five pounds, So that might be a first round 209 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: pick that is take it a little while to get going. 210 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not a Vernon Golston necessarily, But when you 211 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 2: spend a first round pick on a guy like that, 212 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 2: and it makes you think, like, did you add to 213 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 2: an area that you didn't need to add? Was it 214 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 2: the best player available situation? You hope that he puts 215 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 2: it together, but would be a bummer if they don't 216 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 2: end up getting any sort of production that they would 217 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 2: expect from a first round pick. 218 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, right now, not getting a lot of time. All right, 219 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: let's tuck. Dolphins. Tyreek Hill got paid since we last talked. 220 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: That was something I thought could be simmering, and it 221 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: wasn't at all. I give credit to the Dolphins who 222 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 1: are paying their top guys a lot of money. I 223 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: think they now lead the NFL in terms of the 224 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: amount of money they pay their five highest paid players. 225 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: So they're a very like top heavy team and that 226 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: includes some defensive players like Bradley Chubb at least is 227 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: in there. But he got paid. They just pushed a 228 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: lot of guaranteed money from the back end of his 229 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: contract into the next two years. So that's the perfect way. 230 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: They're not paying him huge guaranteed money until he's thirty four. 231 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 1: But he's the He is the number one player in 232 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: the NFL according to the the tires out there. How 233 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: about it. I don't know if you watched that video, 234 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: but that meant a lot to him, and I get 235 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: it like he was into it. He was into it. 236 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I can't argue with them. The player 237 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 2: voted thing tends to have some pretty big discrepancies from 238 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 2: year to year. Guys who get hurt fall out of consciousness. 239 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 2: Among players you saw, you know, Joe Burrow fall into 240 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 2: like the thirties. But Tyreek, I mean, it's hard to 241 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:34,719 Speaker 2: argue with him. Guys had over seventeen hundred receiving yards 242 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 2: in each the last two seasons. It's a guy you pay. 243 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 2: And good on the Dolphins for not tacking on more 244 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 2: years and instead finding a way to make him happy 245 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 2: while staying within the realm of possibility. 246 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought this to a Tyreek thing had a 247 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: chance to be a distraction and a problem, and I 248 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: was wrong going into camp. I should I should always 249 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: remember contracts, for the most part, are overrated to talk about. 250 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 2: And the and the salary cap is a myth. Let's 251 00:10:58,360 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 2: not forget the salary. 252 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: Totally a man, but you if you want to keep them, 253 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: you can't. A couple other things from from camp, Chop 254 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: Robinson reportedly in the one on ones just unblockable, like 255 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: who knows if he'll be good on running downs, but 256 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: unlike Will McDonald for instance, I think Chop Robinson is 257 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: going to have a role right off the bat. And 258 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: uh notice you know Obj is still not practicing. That's 259 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: kind of like a thing that we've gotten used to. 260 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: So everyone's pencil him into the third receiver role and 261 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: he should be that. And Braxton Barrius, you know, might 262 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: not even be a lot to make this team, but man, 263 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: is he ever going to be healthy? And then I 264 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:38,559 Speaker 1: noticed Mike McDaniel talked about, you know, with Johnny Smith 265 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: there and a couple of their additions and a rookie 266 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: like I think they want to feature the tight end 267 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: a little more too, Uh, so that could be something 268 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: just to keep keep an eye on. 269 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 2: At golf with the interesting personnel wise though, because like 270 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 2: they they did make some changes of the position last 271 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 2: year and you move on from you know, a handful 272 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 2: of different tight ends and kind of just cycle through 273 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 2: and you rely so much on the receivers that if 274 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 2: you could actually have that element, that would make that 275 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 2: offense that much more dangerous. And now that Tua got paid, 276 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 2: we don't talk about that anymore, but we still have 277 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 2: to evaluate who he is because he didn't get paid 278 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 2: quite as much as some of the other quarterbacks, and 279 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 2: that's kind of a sign that, you know, we'll see 280 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 2: where he is, he said. 281 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 1: You know, McDaniel said, it was all about what you emphasize, 282 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: and they're emphasizing in practice, according to the practice reports, 283 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: throwing to tight ends more and their deep as hell 284 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: is running at running back like Jalen Wright is popping 285 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: off long runs and he might be like their third 286 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 1: or fourth running back that they're They're a fascinating team. 287 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,559 Speaker 1: I feel like they have one of the highest ceilings 288 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:35,439 Speaker 1: but also a shaky floor if things go wrong. All right, 289 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: AFC North, why don't you kick us off now? Right? 290 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 2: Let's start with the Cincinnati Bengals. Joe Burrow is back 291 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 2: in camp and he's looking good. The offense is looking good, 292 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 2: and he's hooking up with guys not named t Higgins 293 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 2: or Jamar Chase. He found Trent Nordwin for a touchdown 294 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 2: at the end of a long eleven on eleven period 295 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 2: in practice this weekend. Overall, you know, this team, if 296 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 2: you look at the offensive line, that's what's gonna matter 297 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 2: most because you got to keep Burrow healthy. And on 298 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 2: that offensive line is a guy who's very familiar to 299 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 2: you coming from New England and been in some other stops, 300 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 2: Trent Brown, and he just was recently cleared to practice. 301 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 2: He has not fully participated with them yet, but that's 302 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 2: going to be a key part of this offense because 303 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 2: you know, you have Orlando Brown the opposite side. To 304 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 2: get both Browns at both tackles, if they're healthy, that's 305 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 2: going to do a huge job to help Burrow, who's 306 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 2: not going to be the same immobile quarterback that he 307 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 2: was at this time last year. But again, this offense 308 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,199 Speaker 2: starts and finishes with the Bengals, and and frankly, you 309 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 2: know you look at their numbers last year, they were 310 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 2: pretty solid without him. They went four and three without 311 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 2: him and five and five with him as a starter, 312 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 2: but they'd lacked the juice down the stretch to get 313 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,559 Speaker 2: over the hump. Jake Brown did a bang up job, 314 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 2: much better than anybody anticipated, including myself. But again it's 315 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 2: this starts and finishes with Burrow, so being able to 316 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 2: protect him is huge. Another defensive side of the ball, 317 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 2: you know, you're you're relying potentially on some young corners 318 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 2: because they spent you know, they invested in DJ Turner 319 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 2: a couple of years ago and now he's going to 320 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 2: slide into a prominent role. But she also got guys 321 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 2: like Diy John Anthony, you know, he's a youngster, could 322 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:55,839 Speaker 2: end up playing the nickel. He's been seeing an amount 323 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 2: of snaps in camp so far. You know, some of 324 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 2: the people there have said he's looked pretty good, especially 325 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 2: in sub packages, dying packages where you have more defensive 326 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 2: backs on the field. If you can find strength in 327 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 2: the secondary, that's going to go a long way toward 328 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 2: making this team a legitimate contender, because we know what 329 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 2: you have in Burrow, but at the defense can actually 330 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,319 Speaker 2: make some plays and create some turnovers, then suddenly we're 331 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 2: looking at his real beast in the AFC North. 332 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, quietly, Sam Hubbard and Trey Hendrickson. They're their two 333 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: best defensive linemen and two of their best defensive players 334 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: have are out and it's like a week to week 335 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: injuries where they don't think, you know, there's no risk 336 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: that they're going to miss the season, I mean, miss 337 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: anything into the regular season, but they're out right now. 338 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: In Trent Brown, that always worries me. This is a 339 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: guy and who knows. Maybe he's a veteran who is 340 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: ramping up slowly to the season, but you just never 341 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: know if he's going to be on the field or not. 342 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: But the positive there is, you know, I've read a 343 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: lot and heard a lot that Marius Mims so far 344 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: doesn't seem like he's having that long adjustment to the 345 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: pros that he is blocking out the and he's blocking 346 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: out now at their backup pass rushers because the starters 347 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: aren't in there. But supposedly he's looked really good, and 348 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: my guess is he's just gonna start Week one over 349 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: Trent Brown potentially, unless they're they're worried about Trent Brown 350 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: being upset with Trent Brown tends to do. I do 351 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: want to say before we move on from the Bengals, though, 352 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: Andre Yoshavas this is a camp story. I'm buying. I 353 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: think he's their wide receiver. Three. Paul daaner of the Athletics, 354 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: said he's been the best receiver in camp, like including 355 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: t Higgins. That and Joe Burrow even said it, Andre 356 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: is gonna have a big year. So this is what 357 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: camp is all about to me, is he thought, Okay, 358 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: that's Jermaine Burton, who's a rookie, that's gonna be his role. 359 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: But this is a physically talented guy who's in his 360 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: second year, and it seems now like it'd be a 361 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: shock if he is not the third receiver in a 362 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: real part of the offense. 363 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 2: This was a guy that I loved in Indianapolis before 364 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 2: the draft a couple of years ago. When they snagged him, 365 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 2: I thought, oh, that's a good long term play because 366 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 2: he's got the physical tools and he's obviously got the brain. 367 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 2: He's an ivy leaguer. You just need some time to 368 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 2: get your feet underneath him. So why does he get 369 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 2: ahead of Jermaine Burton going to this camp? Because he 370 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 2: has that first year under his belt. Granted he didn't 371 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 2: play a ton of snaps, but he did get some 372 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 2: live bullets and has some experience. And then you get 373 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 2: into year two, when you start to settle in, you 374 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 2: get comfortable. The rookie wall is no longer an issue. 375 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 2: I would love to see him because he didn't make 376 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 2: contributor for them. 377 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's gonna all right, let's hear your 378 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: next team. 379 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 2: All right, we're gonna go over the Browns, and I'm 380 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 2: gonna express some concern about this team. And the reason is, Look, 381 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 2: I know it's early in camp, but anytime you get 382 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 2: a number of guys to start on PUP, I get nervous. 383 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 3: I get real nervous. 384 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 2: And right now the Browns both are starting tackles are 385 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 2: on pup, Jed Wills and Jack Conklin. We obviously know 386 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 2: what Jack Conklin went through in a season ending injury 387 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 2: last year. You got Dwan Jones there, so he shouldn't 388 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 2: be that nervous. But I also think about the long 389 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 2: term plan. Does Jed will stick around after this year? 390 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 2: They just resigned Conkland to an extension, so you think 391 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 2: maybe Dewand ends up taking the left side. But that's 392 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 2: not where he's experienced. But if we're thinking this season, 393 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 2: all right, well, both guys are on pup right now, 394 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 2: let's hope that they get off of that before long. 395 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 2: You have to start Week one with hackem I dentity 396 00:16:58,120 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 2: at left tackle, because we know how that went for 397 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 2: the Bengals right tackle in the past. It's not pretty. 398 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 2: And then you go down the list Nick Chubb, who's 399 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 2: getting closer, but he's still on pup as well. 400 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 3: I worried about that. 401 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 2: And then Dalvin Tomlinson, another guy on the backside, you know, 402 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 2: on the defensive side of the ball, in the interior, 403 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 2: guy who really played well for them last year. And 404 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 2: they do have some depth there. They added Quentin Jefferson, 405 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 2: they have Mohurst, they drafted. 406 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 3: My call. 407 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,239 Speaker 2: But anytime I see a number of guys with with 408 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 2: that PUP next to their name at this point in 409 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 2: the season. 410 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 3: I get a little worried. 411 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 2: And it's not even anything to do with the Shawn Watson, 412 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 2: who apparently has been showing off the arm strength. But 413 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 2: we already know that this is a big year for 414 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:33,360 Speaker 2: him and that we can't necessarily be confident in where 415 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 2: he is healthwise until he proves it, so big question 416 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 2: marks on the health side early in camp for the 417 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 2: Browns as they return from their stay at the Greenbrier. 418 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: Right they're they're back in Cleveland. As of Sunday, they're 419 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: starting corner. Greg Newsom is also out for a number 420 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 1: of weeks. There was some news on the Chubb front 421 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 1: that Mary Kay Cabot of the Akronbeacon Journal, now, I 422 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: think a Cleveland it's hard to keep dot com yep, 423 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: that he could be activated during camp, which is interesting 424 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: because I kind of thought he'd be a pup guy 425 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: into the season, so that that'd be good to have him. 426 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 2: I mean, the question Star is this is like, if 427 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 2: you activate him in camp, does that mean that he's 428 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 2: actually ready or is that just like the next step 429 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 2: in the acclamation, Like, I fully don't expect him to 430 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 2: be good for the first few weeks. 431 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: Well, you can't put him in the injury yet. Now, 432 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 1: I guess you could move him to IR, So it's 433 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: not that huge of a deal. You lose you lose 434 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 1: the pup status that you can have for the season. 435 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: There's a certain amount of IR spots, so I would 436 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: say this, they would only activate him if they thought 437 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: he has a chance to help them in the first 438 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:43,360 Speaker 1: three weeks of the season or so, so that that's 439 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: a positive sign if it happened. And they did get 440 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: Jerry Judy back at team drill Sunday, They did get 441 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:49,679 Speaker 1: Miles Garrett back at team drills for the both of 442 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: them for the first time all camp. So yeah, they 443 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: they've had a lot of injuries. I have a hard 444 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: time Browns fans think I hate this team because I 445 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: hated the Deshaun Watson acquisition, and yeah, like that's a problem. 446 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:04,199 Speaker 1: I do think if you're a Browns fan, there's a 447 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: lot like this is a really good roster. And on 448 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: the Watson front, I think this offseason's gone as planned. 449 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: He had a scheduled day off, but he's basically doing 450 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:21,360 Speaker 1: almost everything at camp and it's just the injuries. Other 451 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,880 Speaker 1: than that, Like, all they need is average quarterback play. 452 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: We saw it last year, Like that's all they need. 453 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: And I think so far, so good for everything. It's 454 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: just they got to get everyone around him healthy. Let's 455 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: hear about the Steelers, all right. 456 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 3: The Steelers. 457 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 2: The big headline is one that's been dominating the beat writers' 458 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 2: focus for most of the last week, which is that 459 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 2: Russell Wilson a little bit of a lower body issue, 460 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 2: you know, listed his calf kind of limited him a 461 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 2: little bit in practice going into this week, and of 462 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 2: course turned all the attention to how many snaps does 463 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 2: Justin Fields get versus Russell Wilson. Mike Tomlin was pretty 464 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 2: adamant that no matter how hard Wilson wants to be 465 00:19:58,520 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 2: or how bad he wants to be out there, that 466 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 2: he he's not gonna, you know, just let him force 467 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 2: his way out there. 468 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 3: Which is great. 469 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,640 Speaker 2: That's the structure that somebody like Russell Wilson probably needs 470 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 2: at this point in his career to really. 471 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 3: Be you know, his own safeguard. 472 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 2: But I do sit back and think a guy that's 473 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 2: been mobile for a lot of his career was good 474 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 2: and extending plays any sort of lower body issue, I 475 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,479 Speaker 2: get a little concerned, And it just makes me wonder, 476 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 2: how do we see Justin Fields get worked in this offense? 477 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 2: Because at some point it's going to happen. And if 478 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 2: this is the way, it's unfortunate, but it does open 479 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 2: the door. 480 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, So Wilson hasn't been taking first team reps, but 481 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 1: he has taken seven on sevens and he was ramping 482 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:36,120 Speaker 1: up his individuals, and when they asked Tomlin about it's Sunday, 483 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: it did sound like, I think, I think the team 484 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: drills are coming maybe after the break. I think they 485 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: have Monday off, and then maybe he's coming on Tuesday. 486 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: But they got they got a proof of concept, and 487 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: supposedly as the week and a half went on, Fields 488 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: was more and more comfortable and had some really big 489 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: days where the offense dominated. There was one red zone 490 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: session where they said he did he had six straight 491 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: touchdown and then Russell Wilson steps in for one snap 492 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: where he hands it off and you know that's killing 493 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: Russ when they're scoring six touchdowns without him. And then 494 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 1: it really struck me. Tomlin talked about the running back 495 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: just how impressed he is right now that Jalen Warren 496 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: and Najee Harris are kind of the leaders, the tough 497 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 1: guys of this team, and they're playing a lot of 498 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: two three tight ends and they want to run the 499 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 1: ball and it's Arthur Freakin Smith and they're saying Reid option, 500 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,479 Speaker 1: they're saying pistol and which quarterback would you rather have 501 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 1: run that offense? It's just in It's just in Fields, 502 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: so I think this is a story. This is something. 503 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: All right, let's wrap up the AFC with the Ravens. 504 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 2: Looks like the defense is balling in Baltimore so far 505 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 2: with the Ravens. A number of defenders are really standing out. 506 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 2: Odafe Oway, a guy who had a really good year 507 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, has been pretty disruptive in camp. 508 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 2: I'm really excited to see if they can actually get 509 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 2: that turned up because, look, they lost Mike McDonald, the 510 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 2: defensive coordinator, They lost a lot of defensive coaches this offseason. 511 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 2: It was a bit of an exodus, not because the 512 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 2: Ravens were bad, but because they were so good other 513 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,360 Speaker 2: teams wanted them. So how can they kind of sustain 514 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,880 Speaker 2: that momentum going into this season. That's gonna be key, 515 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 2: And especially on the back end. You got veterans back 516 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,919 Speaker 2: there in that secondary. Now you got Marcus Williams. You know, 517 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 2: you got Eddie Jackson back there as well. Those are 518 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 2: guys who have a lot of experience making plays in 519 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 2: the back end. If the front four and the back 520 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 2: end can work together, then we're not even going to 521 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 2: be thinking about Rokwan Smith or the loss of Patrick Queen. 522 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 3: Who cares if that both sides are doing that well. 523 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 2: So a lot of good signs from the Ravens defensively 524 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 2: in practice so far. Trenton Simpson, that's another guy who's 525 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 2: gonna get a bigger role this season. Curious to see 526 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 2: how he takes advantage of this camp. So far, so 527 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 2: good on their end, and that's going to be the key, 528 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 2: because you know your offense can put up points like 529 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 2: we could sit here and talk about year two with 530 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 2: Todd Munkin all day, but and you know you have 531 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 2: Lamar at quarterback and he's gonna be electric. But it's 532 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 2: all about complimentary football. And if that defense could be 533 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 2: nearly as good as the offense, then they're gonna be 534 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 2: just as good, if not better than they were last year. 535 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 2: And they're gonna be a tough out. 536 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. I look at them, and they've got three offensive 537 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: line positions up for grabs, which is a little crazy, 538 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 1: Like it's Andrew Wore's at left guard so far, this 539 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: mountain of a man, Daniel Filele is at right guard, 540 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: but that's open. It's gonna be my brother, Roger rosen 541 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: Garden or McCarry at right tackle. But I'm not worried. 542 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: They always figure that stuff out. You're right, I actually 543 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 1: think I think it's fair to expect the offense to 544 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: take a little step back because they were just so 545 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: good last year. But I do think the defense can 546 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: make up for it even without Mike McDonald. Their cornerback, 547 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: Nate Wiggins, their first round pick, is to me one 548 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: of the key guys in the division. There was a 549 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: stat that they tracked him as the fastest player they've 550 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: ever tracked during practice earlier this week, and so he's 551 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: just like pure speed. Can he hit like we'll see 552 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: they usually coach that up a lot. But I'm into 553 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 1: the Rashad Bateman summer, like Rashad Bateman January March OTAs 554 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: everything it keeps happening. He's supposedly having a good camp 555 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 1: and he's healthy, so it's all happening. And then one 556 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: last note on the Ravens and we'll take a break 557 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: after this is John Harbaugh said Justice. So I see 558 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: him as a starter. I think he's going to play 559 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: a lot, and uh, obviously he's not going to play 560 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: as much as Derrick Henry, but just just something to 561 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: put in your pocket there that they think that highly 562 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: and Derek Henry not always the best on passing down. 563 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: So Justice Hill might be in the mix quite a bit. 564 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 1: We're going to stay in the mix. We're going to 565 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: go through the entire AFC South and the AFC West 566 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: after the break back on NFL Daily. We're cranking, We're 567 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: speeding through. Did you do track? You look like a 568 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 1: guy that would have done the hammer throw or something 569 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 1: like that. 570 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 3: No, I was never fast enough. 571 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: And what springs sport? What was your spring sport? 572 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 3: Did you have a spring I was a basebook. 573 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 2: It was a pitcher and a corner infielder until I 574 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 2: tore my shoulder playing football and it was all over. 575 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 1: It's gonna say that surprises me as someone who was, 576 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: you know, on your softball team. No, I'm just kidding. 577 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,479 Speaker 3: You hit it a long way now. 578 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: Shook and I actually played similar roles. I think on 579 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: the team. We were very solid role players. We weren't 580 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 1: the best players on the team, but we were rock 581 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: solid starters that you could depend on to get on base, 582 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,719 Speaker 1: to make smart plays in the field. And that's what 583 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: that's what being a team's all about. Nick. 584 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, we stepped up. We did our job. 585 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 3: We sprayed the ball around the field. 586 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: I'm messing with you. I did want to hit before 587 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 1: we hit the division just very quickly. They had the 588 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame ceremony on Saturday. Our good friend Colleen 589 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,360 Speaker 1: Wolf was there, of course, and that's why if you're 590 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 1: missing Colleen on the show. She is going to be 591 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 1: a big part of the show every week. But like 592 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: a lot of the reporters, like Steve Weish, they're traveling 593 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 1: all over the country right now, so looking forward to 594 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 1: when they all get back. But after a rain delay 595 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 1: they had the ceremony. Julius Pepper's in very satisfying to 596 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 1: me to see how his career arc worked as someone 597 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,360 Speaker 1: who was there at the beginning of his career already 598 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,479 Speaker 1: covering football people. I remember you chumps who were saying, Oh, 599 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: this guy's overrated, or he doesn't try hard enough, and 600 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 1: it's just a reminder of how toxic the media can be, 601 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 1: because that dude busted his ass and had an incredible career. 602 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: It's so many offensive linemen say he was the toughest 603 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: person they've ever had to block, and so it was 604 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: very cool seeing him in the Hall of Fame. Dwight Freeney, 605 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 1: Andre Johnson, who is just all class and a total awesome. 606 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,120 Speaker 1: First Houston Texan to make the Hall of Fame. He'll 607 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 1: always really have a special place in those fans' hearts 608 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: being the first. Patrick Willis who I'm glad got in 609 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: because I'd rather have a really high peak rather than 610 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: the compilers, and he had such a high peak before 611 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: injuries took him out. And then Devin Hester, Randy Gratischer, 612 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: and Steve McMichael getting in from the Veterans Committee. So 613 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: congratulations to all them and their families. I love that 614 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: Canton weekend. Let's move on to the AFC West. I'm 615 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: gonna lead off. Let's talk chiefs. Okay to me, there's 616 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: some like similar stories here that I remember from last camp. 617 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,360 Speaker 1: Dean Eric Prince. He was kind of a buzzy guy 618 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 1: last camp and then he didn't do anything in the season. 619 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: It's like, oh, is this guy the RB two? Like 620 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 1: who is this random dude? He is explaining exclusively with 621 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: the first team him and he's you know at him 622 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: and Pacheco, But it's a clear drop off to whoever's 623 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: behind him, like like Clyde Edwards Hilaire. So this guy's 624 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 1: gonna make the team. He's probably gonna be the backup 625 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 1: and then Justin Ross. Every year we get to this 626 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 1: point in the season and Chiefs fans love Justin Ross. 627 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: You don't need Justin Ross anymore because you got big 628 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: time plays going down the field. But it's almost like 629 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: this team is two set up. You're you're just looking 630 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,439 Speaker 1: at the margins for new stuff. 631 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, because they're so good. 632 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 2: But the thing about Justin Ross is he ends up 633 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 2: not being the most important justin to this receiving court 634 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 2: by the time the season actually arrives. 635 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,679 Speaker 3: That ends up being Justin Watson, not Justin Ross. 636 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 2: I would love it if he was, but he just 637 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 2: hasn't gotten the volume of targets that he would need. 638 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 2: But it is interesting when you talk about the running backs, 639 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 2: because this is a team that has thrived on being 640 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 2: able to rotate guys in and out and find roles 641 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 2: for them, going back to twenty nineteen when they came 642 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 2: back to beat the forty nine ers in the Super Bowl. 643 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 2: So to see a new name included in there, and 644 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 2: it's not just Isaiah Pacheco's show, that's good. It does 645 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,120 Speaker 2: disappoint me though, that Clyde Edwards Hilaire has faded into 646 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 2: the background because of where he was drafted and how 647 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 2: much people liked him when he first came. 648 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 1: Out, Well, they resigned him. He'll probably make the team 649 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: as like their third back. He had some moments in 650 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. It's just yeah, they're gonna go younger 651 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:26,640 Speaker 1: and really look like Prince. So that's a guy that's 652 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: now gonna get drafted in fantasy leagues. The other deep 653 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 1: ball narrative that's been there, I mean it's day after 654 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: day after day. I read these great reports from Pete 655 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: Sweeney of Arrowhead Prides. Every single day Mahomes is bombing 656 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: to Mark Ease Brown and zaber Worthy and some days 657 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: they hit three or four, two or three, and some 658 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: days it does they don't hit as many. But the 659 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: fact that it's what you emphasize that is coming with 660 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: the regular season. And John Gruden in Chiefs gear at 661 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: practice yesterday or Sunday rather. I don't know if he's 662 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: part of the team, if he's an officially part of 663 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: the team, but he's wearing Chiefs gear and he was there, 664 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: so that's just something to watch. They obviously used to 665 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 1: coach together Andy Reid and John Gruden. He might be 666 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: back in the league. All right, let's go to the Raiders, 667 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: Pierce Antonio Pierce has been saying that the running back 668 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: position is wide open, which is surprising to me. I 669 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: thought it was Amir White. They have an undrafted free 670 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: agent Dylan lub someone to watch a little bit in 671 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: the preseason, and then the quarterback battle supposedly it's just 672 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: been mostly bad from Minshew and Aidan O'Connell. I'm pulling 673 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: for O'Connell. The reports were Saturday, which you know, was 674 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: one of those practices with fans and the owners that 675 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: you know, Mark Davis is there, that Minshew had a 676 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: much better day and maybe he edged ahead for the 677 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: first time, but we still got a little ways to 678 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: go there. 679 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 2: It's weird because if you looked at it on paper 680 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 2: going to the season, most people probably thought, yeah, this 681 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 2: is Minshew's job to lose, even if it's still Gardner Minshew, 682 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 2: and yet we're not seeing much of separation so far, 683 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 2: which I'm not surprised about because Minshew to me, is 684 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 2: a plus back who's going to do everything he can 685 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 2: to avoid ruining games for you, but he's not going 686 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 2: to go out there and win games for you. 687 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 3: I know Connell has probably more of a higher. 688 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 2: Yet unknown ceiling and has the experience of playing with 689 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 2: them in the backside of last year. So it's kind 690 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 2: of an intriguing battle. It's not an exciting battle because 691 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 2: the outcome. There's no high peak there. There's nobody you're 692 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 2: pulling for here. You're like, yeah, he's gonna win us 693 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 2: a super Bowl. So I'm concerned, but I wouldn't be 694 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 2: surprised if we see a little bit of back. 695 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 3: And forth of that position this year. 696 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. Jacoreyan Bennett, second year player, looks like he's emerged 697 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: as the starter opposite Jack Jones. I think the tight 698 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: ends have been as advertised and they're going to play 699 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,719 Speaker 1: a lot. Supposedly. The third receiver who I liked last year, 700 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: Trey Tucker, has been pretty rough and Tyree Wilson, a 701 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: top ten pick who did nothing as a rookie, very 702 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: quiet camp. Again, this is according to Victa For and 703 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: to Shun Reed of the Athletic that I just don't 704 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: know if it's happening for Tyree Wilson and Raiders fan. 705 00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I see. I'm going down there 706 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: on Tuesday. We're not doing a ton of content, but 707 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: I will have at least like one interview and talk 708 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: about what I saw practice. So I'm looking forward to that. 709 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm actually kind of high on this roster. 710 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: Check out Mina Kimes's AFC West preview. I did it 711 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: with her and we did fifteen minutes. This roster is 712 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: pretty good except for the quarterbacks. Go ahead. 713 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,719 Speaker 2: Sorry, that's just the disappointing part about it is if 714 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 2: you look around, you're like, this could be a team 715 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 2: that could contend for the division, like. 716 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 3: The defensive side of the ball. 717 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 2: I mean, well, I mean because the Chiefs exist in 718 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 2: the division, but you know what I'm saying, they could 719 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 2: make it at least interesting. And then you come back 720 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 2: to quarterback and you just think this is going to 721 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 2: be the thing that holds them. 722 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: Back, right the Chargers sort of the opposite. The quarterback 723 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: is going to be lifting everyone up at least when 724 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert gets back. You know, I hit that injury 725 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: that Herbert had at the beginning of our last show, 726 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 1: and no, nothing new on that front. East and Stick, 727 00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: No Surprise, has reportedly struggled against the starting defense a 728 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: couple of days, although maybe it's more about the defense 729 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: because the Rams had a joint practice with the Chargers 730 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: on Sunday and supposedly couldn't get anything done, like turn 731 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: the ball over every other snap and couldn't block anyone. 732 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: Now they have a lot of injuries up front, but 733 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: the pass rush for the Chargers playing well, you know, 734 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: they go pretty deep in terms of their pass rush. 735 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: But I think offensively it's going to be tough getting 736 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: anything productive done with East and Stick as your quarterback, 737 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: and Quintin Johnston is hurt again, might be minor. Lad 738 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: McConkie's been in and out of the practice because of 739 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: injuries the last few days. So this is a team 740 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: I think that's happy. We're still what is it five, 741 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: We're five Sundays away, you know from starting the season. 742 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 1: They need that time. 743 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, I would be too concerned to 744 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 2: necessarily receiver when it comes to lad mconaky because I 745 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 2: think you just need to get him healthy and if 746 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 2: he's healthy, is out there, he's gonna find a way. 747 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: It's nothing major. He's been in and out like but 748 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: he then he came and played one snap and then 749 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: he was out again the so. 750 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 2: So get him healthy. You have time to get him 751 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 2: acclimated and get him healthy. Quentin Johnson on the other hand, 752 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 2: the pressure has to already be on because he did 753 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 2: not have a notable rookie season at all, and he 754 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 2: was known more for failing to come through in the 755 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 2: clutch than actually producing. So to know that he's hit 756 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 2: another bump in the road is not exciting for them. 757 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 2: But defensively, man you talked about you know that the 758 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 2: Rams gonna do muchgainst him, Well, look at the defensive coordinator. 759 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 2: I mean that's the guy who was the mastermind behind 760 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 2: Michigan's defense will win the College Football Payoff national title 761 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 2: and Jesse Minter. So if that could be the strength 762 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 2: of the team this year, I'm cool with that. And 763 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 2: then you let Justin Herbert make the plays that he 764 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 2: makes and hopes that the receivers on the other end 765 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 2: of the pass is you know, catch the ball. But 766 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 2: if the defense is the strength, that's actually really exciting 767 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 2: because that's not something that we're necessarily used to with 768 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 2: the turn. 769 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 1: No, they need it, I mean they need to just 770 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: get closer to average. I think they're getting a really 771 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: good camp out of Christian Fulton, who starting and bothly 772 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 1: had a good day. Our Rams correspondent Jordan Rodrieg said 773 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: he kind of shut down Cooper Cup throughout the day. 774 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: On Sunday, let let's go to the Broncos. Bo Nix 775 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: has taken first team reps and four out of the 776 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: last five practices. Sean Payton compared his ability to avoid 777 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: sacks to Drew Brees on Sunday. 778 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 3: There is you know it was coming. 779 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,879 Speaker 1: I think it's I think we know which way that 780 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 1: that's going here. I thoughts, did him aunt a chance? 781 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 1: Maybe he still has a little bit of a chance, 782 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:19,320 Speaker 1: but I don't think he has much of a chance. 783 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 2: The Knicks aissance is here. This this is gonna be 784 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 2: the way it was gonna go the whole time. The 785 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 2: first sign was Zach Wilson fall out of the rotation. 786 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 2: Now you're hearing it, you know, Sean. 787 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: Okay, here's the thing, though he could he could have 788 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,720 Speaker 1: just stunk. There is a world where like everyone watching 789 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 1: practice is like, man, Nicks is not ready, and that 790 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be the case, you know, So that 791 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 1: credit to him for doing that, you know what I mean. 792 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: Like Zach Wilson's first camp, no one would have said like, oh, 793 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 1: this is going the way we thought it was gonna go, 794 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:45,319 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? 795 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but I think a lot of that has 796 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:48,879 Speaker 2: to do with what bo Nix has between the ears. 797 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 3: He's got a ton of college experience. Basically. 798 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 2: That was the big question, is like could he get 799 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,359 Speaker 2: the job done. I think he fits into what Sean 800 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,359 Speaker 2: Payton does, So I'm not at all surprised to hear 801 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,959 Speaker 2: him start making Breeze comparisons, because you know that's gonna 802 00:34:58,960 --> 00:34:59,439 Speaker 2: be his guy. 803 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. A couple other just little notes there Orodric estimate 804 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: is it estimate? Or Yeah, a lot of love and 805 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 1: Javonte Williams, Peyton says is a totally different player. So 806 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 1: he's either gassing up Williams to try to trade him, 807 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,240 Speaker 1: or maybe that's your one two punch. I think Esma 808 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: is gonna do something this year. 809 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 2: That's your thunder and lightning and Estimate is the thunder. 810 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,800 Speaker 2: That's a big back and he runs hard. It's not 811 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 2: the fastest, he's not the most explosive, but he'll run 812 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 2: guys over. It's the perfect compliment to Javonte Williams. Can 813 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,319 Speaker 2: make a nice little backfield there. 814 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, listening to Peyton's press conferences, I don't think 815 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 1: he's a Greg Dulcach guy. Not his guy who they 816 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,360 Speaker 1: always want the guys they brought in, makes sense that 817 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: that's why they brought him in for a reason. And 818 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: then Levi Wallace, who's competing was probably the favorite to 819 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 1: start at cornerback, is going to miss a couple of 820 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 1: weeks and that's a thin position for them. We'll wrap 821 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 1: up the AFC West we already did. I didn't even notice. 822 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 1: Let's go to the AFC South, all right. 823 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 2: We're gonna start with the Jacksonville Jaguars, where cornerback Christian 824 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 2: Braswell is having a good camp. He's standing out, but 825 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 2: he also had a rough time against Christian Kirk, which 826 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 2: points to what I really want to talk about, which 827 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 2: is this revamp receiving corps with the Jaguars. They added 828 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 2: a ton of talent in the offseason. They let some 829 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,440 Speaker 2: talent go as well, but Brian Thomas has been turning 830 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,479 Speaker 2: heads and they're going to depend on him a lot. 831 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 2: I think this season you get a top three of Kirk, Thomas, 832 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 2: and Gabe Davis, and suddenly Trevor Lawrence has multiple options 833 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 2: to go to. You add in Devin Duvernet, who's got 834 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 2: experience from Baltimore. It can be a bit of a 835 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,840 Speaker 2: field stretcher at times. I love this group. Now beyond 836 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 2: those first four, you get a little concerned. You don't 837 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 2: want to be relying on Parker Washington that much, even 838 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 2: when he did step up occasionally last season. But I 839 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 2: like this top four. It's a big year. Trevor Lawrence 840 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,439 Speaker 2: just got paid, but it's still a big year. Because 841 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 2: of the way they finished last year, they cannot afford 842 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 2: to struggle out of the gate again. So getting these 843 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 2: new additions in there and acclimated is going to serve 844 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 2: them really well. And then you know, of course, like 845 00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 2: I said, on the defensive side of the field, you 846 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 2: know braswell, a twenty three sixth round pick, if he's 847 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:02,800 Speaker 2: standing out in camp, that's going to go along the 848 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 2: way toward helping their depth. And you already know what 849 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 2: you have in mister Joshua hinz Aellen, a guy who 850 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 2: we've already highlighted because. 851 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 3: Of his name change. And so I'm feeling excited about 852 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 3: this group. 853 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 2: I think that there are some question marks, there's there's 854 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 2: some holes that they've passed with veterans. You know, you 855 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 2: got Ronald Darby back there as well, And I don't 856 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 2: feel necessarily great about that, but Tyson Campbell got paid recently, 857 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,279 Speaker 2: you got Andre Cisco back there. That's still a group 858 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 2: that I kind of like. And if you get some 859 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 2: depth contributions from guys that you didn't expect, then you're 860 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 2: looking better going into a pivotal season for Doug Peterson. 861 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 1: I hate that I'm saying this about the AFC South, 862 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 1: but there's just a couple of teams here. I don't 863 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 1: know what to say at Yes camp because I went 864 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:42,439 Speaker 1: through the camp notes and it happens they haven't had 865 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 1: devastating injuries, although their offensive line right now is banged up, 866 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,359 Speaker 1: but it doesn't seem like they're long term injuries. Tank 867 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 1: Bigsby better, according to SI's John Shipley, having a good camp. 868 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,359 Speaker 1: That's good to note. Their rookie kicker is killing it, 869 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,760 Speaker 1: Cam little well, and otherwise I see like Gabe Davis 870 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,239 Speaker 1: has a couple good days, Brian Thomas has a couple 871 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 1: good days within a couple of quiet days. The offense 872 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 1: definitely got better after I talked about how they were 873 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 1: really struggling early in camp, and that's fine. It's push 874 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,280 Speaker 1: and pull. They don't have a lot of huge headlines, 875 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,839 Speaker 1: they don't have a lot of big position battles, they're 876 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,799 Speaker 1: like looking for a third edge rusher. But quiet is 877 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 1: sometimes okay in camp, so I'm not like looking any 878 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,759 Speaker 1: differently that it's been a quiet camp and definitely arrow up. 879 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 1: It sounds like for the offense over the last week. 880 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:30,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, they need it. 881 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 2: You're right though, That's very true about a lot of 882 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 2: this division, which is why I'm going to go to 883 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 2: a notable news item coming from Tennessee where the Titans 884 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 2: lost DeAndre Hopkins to any issue, he's going to miss 885 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:41,920 Speaker 2: multiple weeks. 886 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:43,000 Speaker 3: That would be. 887 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 2: Concerning on the surface, but those who know the Titans 888 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 2: fairly well understand that Treylon Burk's has not produced at 889 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 2: the level that they expected and this could open the 890 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,920 Speaker 2: door for him to either prove it or lose it, 891 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,239 Speaker 2: because look, if DeAndre Hopkins isn't out there, you were 892 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 2: drafted to replace AJ Brown and you were so unproductive. 893 00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,879 Speaker 3: They went and got DeAndre Hopkins last year. 894 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,600 Speaker 2: So now they've spent some money elsewhere, they've added other 895 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 2: talent in the offseason, so now we need you, Trailon 896 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,640 Speaker 2: Burks to step up. And so far we don't really 897 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 2: have conclusive results, but we did hear them talk a 898 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 2: lot about it yesterday about how the fact that it's 899 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,879 Speaker 2: going to give him a chance to prove himself. It's just, look, 900 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 2: we've got five Sundays till the first you know, till 901 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,120 Speaker 2: the regular season. They didn't pick up his fifth year 902 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,719 Speaker 2: option already. They know he's got to prove it right now. 903 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 2: So this is going to be an important month for 904 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:25,879 Speaker 2: him and whether he can actually carve out a role 905 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 2: with his team or not. 906 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,720 Speaker 1: Never was a big Burkes guy coming out of college. 907 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 1: Now I did think as a rookie, though he did 908 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:38,839 Speaker 1: more than I expected. Very disappointing second year. I think 909 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,919 Speaker 1: if you could carve out the right role for him, 910 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,399 Speaker 1: he can be valuable. Calvin Ridley has reportedly looked really good. 911 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:46,759 Speaker 1: I think they're going to use a lot of two 912 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 1: tight end sets. Again, I can say that about a 913 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 1: lot of teams. Josh Wiley, I believe it is making 914 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 1: some noise him in Chickakonquo. That's a bit of a battle. 915 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 1: So you don't need you know, you don't need trailing 916 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:00,920 Speaker 1: Burks to be some of you just need him to 917 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 1: be a contributor. But he was wide receiver four before 918 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,879 Speaker 1: this injury, which which says a lot to me. One 919 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,640 Speaker 1: last thing I'll say in Tennessee is Devandre Devandre Sweat, 920 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:16,040 Speaker 1: who was a very polarizing draft pick and immediately with 921 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,359 Speaker 1: the starters and by all accounts, immediately making a lot 922 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:20,920 Speaker 1: of noise at camp. And so that was a guy 923 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 1: that felt like as boom or bust as anyone in 924 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,800 Speaker 1: this draft. And so far, I think they're really happy 925 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 1: with what they see, and I think he's going to 926 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 1: start day one. 927 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:30,960 Speaker 2: I think we've kind of fallen out of the era 928 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 2: of the classic gap plugging nose tackle. They still kind 929 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 2: of exist, but not in the same way that they 930 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,160 Speaker 2: used to. This guy fits that mold. I was just 931 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,040 Speaker 2: blown away by the picture that was posted of him 932 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,279 Speaker 2: next to Jeffrey Simmons, making Jeffrey Simmons look small on 933 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 2: Jeffer Simmons. 934 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:43,719 Speaker 1: Oh, I already see that. That is WI. 935 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, this dude is a unit. 936 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 2: So if they can actually plug gaps consistently with him, 937 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 2: and if he's actually living up to you know, the 938 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,960 Speaker 2: notes so far that he's with the starters and he's 939 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 2: making plays, it's going to be a huge boon for 940 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 2: them on that defensive side. 941 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think with Levis, it seems like more 942 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,399 Speaker 1: good than bad. There hasn't been a lot of hot 943 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,320 Speaker 1: takes from people. There just kind of as expected, making 944 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 1: some plays, making some boneheaded plays. That's will love us. 945 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:07,800 Speaker 1: All right, Let's go Texans. 946 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,080 Speaker 2: Actually, let's all right, We'll go Texans. I was gonna 947 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,799 Speaker 2: go Colts, but we'll go Texans next. Look, we know 948 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 2: the story of this team right now, right it's c J. 949 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,400 Speaker 2: Stroud in this entire offense. But what I'm thinking about 950 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:20,799 Speaker 2: is what they did on the defensive side of the ball. 951 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,279 Speaker 2: Because we can spend all day talking about, oh, they 952 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,799 Speaker 2: got Stefan Diggs in the off season. They look great offensively. 953 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,279 Speaker 2: You know, they gave Nico Collins money. Tank Dell's coming 954 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,520 Speaker 2: back from injury. That's all cool, But I need to 955 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,359 Speaker 2: know how your defense is gonna play in key situations, 956 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,480 Speaker 2: and as he is. Al Shire is a guy that 957 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,279 Speaker 2: I thought was a super sneaky addition in the offseason, 958 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:42,200 Speaker 2: and so far he's proven his worth in campus. I mean, 959 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,319 Speaker 2: he's been very solid, especially in the red zone. He's 960 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,480 Speaker 2: stuffed the run, He's done pretty much everything you would 961 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,719 Speaker 2: ask him to. He's a guy that came from San Francisco, 962 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,960 Speaker 2: spent last year in Nashville, somebody that wasn't really appreciated 963 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,480 Speaker 2: that much, I don't think, and maybe it was because 964 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,040 Speaker 2: the situation in Nashville last year. But now with Houston, Texans, 965 00:41:58,080 --> 00:41:59,960 Speaker 2: I think he's got an opportunity and that's not necessarily 966 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,719 Speaker 2: to become like a pro bowler and all pro and 967 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 2: pop like that, but make some key contributions at the 968 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,440 Speaker 2: second level where I thought they were their weakest. And 969 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,000 Speaker 2: now he'll play alongside Christian Harrison and maybe serve a 970 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,879 Speaker 2: big role because we'll pay a lot of attention talking 971 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,280 Speaker 2: about Will Anderson and about Danil Hunter. 972 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,640 Speaker 3: But I think this second level is gonna be the make. 973 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,000 Speaker 2: Or break punt this defense and really what's gonna make 974 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:19,880 Speaker 2: Dimiko Ryan's unit into something good or not? 975 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I have so much faith in Ryan's ability 976 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,400 Speaker 1: to coach up that group that was his position and 977 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,080 Speaker 1: he's done it. He did it last year with lesser talent. 978 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:32,719 Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think Kamari Lassiter has been one 979 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,719 Speaker 1: of the big stories in Camp. If I could pick 980 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,919 Speaker 1: two Camp hype bunnies that I featured on this show 981 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,000 Speaker 1: that that I believe is for real, it would be 982 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,520 Speaker 1: Yoshavas with the Bengals and Lassiter with the Texans, just 983 00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,120 Speaker 1: because the people I trust that are there that are 984 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:52,080 Speaker 1: really smart football people are seeing it day after day 985 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:56,400 Speaker 1: and they're saying, he is matching up against this great 986 00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:00,960 Speaker 1: receiver trio and he is really holding. And you know 987 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:02,680 Speaker 1: they didn't of course, they didn't play him in the 988 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,920 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame game, Like he's a locked in starter 989 00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:06,919 Speaker 1: as a rookie corner. You're gonna have ups and downs 990 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,480 Speaker 1: as a rookie corner. But so many rookie corners come 991 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,040 Speaker 1: in and they get barbecued in camp. And the fact 992 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 1: that he's come out and everyone's really impressed with how 993 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 1: he's looked to me that that's a really encouraging story 994 00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:19,239 Speaker 1: out of Texans camp. Yeah. 995 00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:20,879 Speaker 2: I mean he's ahead of Jeff o'cuda on the depth 996 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,239 Speaker 2: chart right now, Like, oh yeah, yeah, that's a that's 997 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,240 Speaker 2: a good move, that looks very good and that fills 998 00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:26,480 Speaker 2: out that secondary and. 999 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,040 Speaker 1: A good sign. Damian Pierce Revival didn't play in the 1000 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:30,840 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame game. I think I think they like 1001 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,200 Speaker 1: what they're seeing right now. Demian. 1002 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:33,719 Speaker 2: I'm gonna make one note on the Hall of Fame games, 1003 00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,160 Speaker 2: since I was sitting in the press box and sat 1004 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:36,600 Speaker 2: to that storm and got drenched in the way out, 1005 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,319 Speaker 2: and I also ran to Colleen, so that was fun. 1006 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:39,840 Speaker 2: We got to talk for a minute in the press box. 1007 00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:44,200 Speaker 2: But the Bobby Slowk offense looks just as good as 1008 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:45,759 Speaker 2: it did last year. I know it doesn't show on 1009 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,160 Speaker 2: the scoreboard, but when Davis Mills was in there early, 1010 00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,960 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, baby, like, he looks comfortable. They're 1011 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,239 Speaker 2: moving him around in the pocket. He is not a statue. 1012 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,920 Speaker 2: He's designed rollouts. He's navigating, just breaking away, he's delivering 1013 00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:58,440 Speaker 2: the ball. He didn't play very long, but I just 1014 00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,239 Speaker 2: sat back and thought, man, they were picking up right 1015 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:01,760 Speaker 2: where they left off and they don't even have Stroud 1016 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,880 Speaker 2: out there. I love the idea of this offense this 1017 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,080 Speaker 2: year with Slowly, He's gonna be getting head coaching looks 1018 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,520 Speaker 2: before long, and especially if they produced this year. 1019 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:09,239 Speaker 3: So it was a good sign. 1020 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,040 Speaker 1: Hot take. They have the best quarterback room in the NFL. 1021 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:18,239 Speaker 1: Oh CJ. Stroud, Davis Mills in case keenum. I mean, 1022 00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,480 Speaker 1: if you have to go one through three and you're 1023 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:24,399 Speaker 1: not like overly waiting one as obviously one is by 1024 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,000 Speaker 1: far the most important, but you got a top ten 1025 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,000 Speaker 1: quarterback at least at one and then Mills at two. 1026 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,000 Speaker 1: Keep him at three. That's pretty strong. I'm just saying, 1027 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,239 Speaker 1: not many go three deep like that. That's all hit. 1028 00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:35,920 Speaker 3: Hey, you know what, let's not forget camp arm. 1029 00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,080 Speaker 2: Tim Boyle, who I have to tell his Jory, the 1030 00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,680 Speaker 2: head official at the game on Thursday night, actually left 1031 00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,319 Speaker 2: his mike hot for a little bit and I caught 1032 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,560 Speaker 2: a part of a conversation he was having with Tim Boyle. 1033 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:47,600 Speaker 3: Let's just say it was. 1034 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,000 Speaker 2: Hilarious, and it was you would expect from an on 1035 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:50,880 Speaker 2: field conversation. 1036 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,239 Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, we'll have to keep that a secret. All right, 1037 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,120 Speaker 1: let's wrap this thing up. Colts, We're done. Nick shook 1038 00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,320 Speaker 1: one more team. 1039 00:44:58,680 --> 00:44:59,120 Speaker 3: All right. 1040 00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,600 Speaker 2: So a lot of that expectation for the Indianapolis Colts 1041 00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:06,319 Speaker 2: and Anthony Richardson and so far not exactly as great 1042 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,600 Speaker 2: as you'd think. At one point during our recent practice, 1043 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,800 Speaker 2: he went two for five in the eleven on eleven period. 1044 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:11,600 Speaker 3: We talked about this. 1045 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,919 Speaker 2: You know, he had moments of inaccuracy as a rookie, 1046 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,120 Speaker 2: and it's more about his ability to make plays with 1047 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:17,200 Speaker 2: his legs and his feet. 1048 00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,960 Speaker 3: But I am a little concerned about that. It could 1049 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:21,560 Speaker 3: be a signed for the defense, could say, yeah, the 1050 00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:22,040 Speaker 3: defense is. 1051 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,800 Speaker 2: Playing well, but I know it really comes down to Richardson, 1052 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,879 Speaker 2: so we'll keep an eye on that. And so far, 1053 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:28,759 Speaker 2: that's got to be my biggest point, just because I 1054 00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,160 Speaker 2: think that the whole season hinges on him. You don't 1055 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:32,879 Speaker 2: want to have to turn to Joe Flacco. You don't 1056 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,640 Speaker 2: want to have to unless you absolutely need to. So 1057 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:36,960 Speaker 2: it's all going to come down to him and whether 1058 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,080 Speaker 2: he can establish a rapport with Adi Mitchell. So far, 1059 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,319 Speaker 2: Die mitchells looked good in practice, and I expect nothing less, 1060 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:43,719 Speaker 2: you know. I know he's slid in the draft, and 1061 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,920 Speaker 2: maybe it was people were concerned about, you know, the 1062 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,960 Speaker 2: way he presented himself as maybe that was why he slid. 1063 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,000 Speaker 3: But I'm not worried about that. Kids are baller. He 1064 00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:52,160 Speaker 3: was a baller in college. I would love. 1065 00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,120 Speaker 1: I'm a little worried. I'm a little worried shook, at 1066 00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,719 Speaker 1: least in terms of like fantasy, because supposedly he's been 1067 00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:02,120 Speaker 1: written you a little quiet and Pierce. You know, Reggie 1068 00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,600 Speaker 1: Wayne is gassing up Pierce that like this is the 1069 00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,080 Speaker 1: first time he's had to compete, and for now it 1070 00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,480 Speaker 1: seems like that's Pierce's job. They'll need them both. But 1071 00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:13,640 Speaker 1: I think to me from what I'm here in Downs 1072 00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,240 Speaker 1: is the clear too. They're playing them outside, they're playing 1073 00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:20,640 Speaker 1: them inside. It's it's gonna be Pittman one, Downs two, 1074 00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,880 Speaker 1: and the other two guys get in the mix and 1075 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,680 Speaker 1: the tight ends get in the mix. And that's fine. 1076 00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,359 Speaker 1: You know, Mitchell's a rookie receiver. But I guess I've 1077 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:32,319 Speaker 1: I've gotten a little more Pierce hype than than I 1078 00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:33,319 Speaker 1: expect that that's fair. 1079 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,719 Speaker 2: I just wonder, you know, in evaluating Alec Pierce so 1080 00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,239 Speaker 2: far in this career, he's had a lot of change 1081 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,480 Speaker 2: of quarterback and I think that hasn't done in any favors. 1082 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,320 Speaker 2: And I just wonder if, like, is that the reason 1083 00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,520 Speaker 2: why I'm not fully sold on him yet. 1084 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,040 Speaker 1: Now he's never opened, he's never the opportunity he's got. 1085 00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,200 Speaker 2: They weren't good, so now they weren't become good, then 1086 00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:50,600 Speaker 2: he'll prove himself. No. 1087 00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,680 Speaker 1: And you know, we hit the Samsung Ebcom injury. I 1088 00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:57,479 Speaker 1: think they're deep enough to withstand that. You know, they've 1089 00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,400 Speaker 1: moved at practice. You know, they have a couple of 1090 00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,520 Speaker 1: holes on the defense, especially at safety Julian Blackman, who's good. 1091 00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,399 Speaker 1: They moved him recently to free safety and when they 1092 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:10,000 Speaker 1: asked about possibly adding someone, Shane Steichen more or less 1093 00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,680 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, that might be something we do. So 1094 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,680 Speaker 1: there's a couple big name safeties, you know, relatively big 1095 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:21,160 Speaker 1: name experience safeties out there, starting with Justin Simmons. I 1096 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,560 Speaker 1: think they might be the number one Justin Simmons team. 1097 00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,160 Speaker 1: So that's just something to put in your. 1098 00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,480 Speaker 3: Poet that void that makes sense. Yeah, keep an eye 1099 00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:28,239 Speaker 3: on that. I like that. 1100 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,680 Speaker 1: All right, we did it. We hit all sixteen AFC teams. 1101 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,239 Speaker 1: That was fun. We're going to do the same on 1102 00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,800 Speaker 1: Tuesday show. I'll do it with Jordan rod Reeg talking 1103 00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:43,359 Speaker 1: about the NFC. In the meantime, you know, you can 1104 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,799 Speaker 1: watch the Olympics a little Yeah, some inside training camp 1105 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,000 Speaker 1: live though we're on all day on NFL Network. 1106 00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,240 Speaker 2: Hey, come watch the two lane Green Wave on Twitch. 1107 00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:52,920 Speaker 2: We just got a big win over Oklahoma last night. 1108 00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta check out Shook on Twitch playing with 1109 00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,680 Speaker 1: the twu lane Green Wave. That was a lot of fun. 1110 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,239 Speaker 1: We will be back again on Tuesday the NFC All 1111 00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,840 Speaker 1: sixteen teams with Jordan rodrig So for Nick Schuck and 1112 00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:10,160 Speaker 1: for Noville helping us out producing this show on a 1113 00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,839 Speaker 1: Sunday evening. We'll see you next time.