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Speaker 1: brought us David Hellman, Bucky Brooks, and Kyle Yeomans. There

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Speaker 1: Kyle Yeomans will break down this draft David Hellman today

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Speaker 1: and Brian, I think that's why this is gonna be

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Speaker 1: our best show yet. Right. Yeah, We're just gonna go

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Speaker 1: speech for sure. Thank goodness and thank goodness, David Hellman.

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Speaker 1: You were great all the way through. But hey, you're

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Speaker 1: at the table today and now we love David. He

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Speaker 1: just had more important things to do today, like interview

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Speaker 1: some guy that was nicknamed the Playmaker or whatever it

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Speaker 1: But guys, you look at the Cowboys season down coming

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Speaker 1: to a close, and the Cowboys have settled into that

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Speaker 1: number ten pick, and it's not number four like we

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Speaker 1: it actually ends up being number ten. You're still a

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Speaker 1: top ten pick for the first time since twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 1: But Bucky, how good of a spot is that for

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys whenever it comes to the number ten pick,

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Speaker 1: because they've had some they've had some success in the

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Speaker 1: top ten in the past. Yeah, you should have success

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Speaker 1: when you're picking in the top ten because that's really

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Speaker 1: getting difference makers, game changers, and when the Cowboys have

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Speaker 1: it's just a matter of determining which players are right

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Speaker 1: Right Yeah, No, I absolutely agree with Bucky because you know,

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Speaker 1: it right at that spot? I think initially we said,

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Speaker 1: For Mike McCarthy to not be able to articulate it.

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Speaker 1: the top five that may not make it to ten.

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Speaker 1: Caleb Farley, Micah Parsons, so Penn State linebacker Caleb Farley,

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Speaker 1: maybe Patrick Certan. I think there could be names that

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Speaker 1: you would have considered that because you're now at ten,

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Speaker 1: don't make it there. There could be a corner or

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Speaker 1: two off the board. Michael Parsons could be off the board.

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Speaker 1: You could have two offensive tackles off the board. So

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Speaker 1: I do think there are names not guys that I

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Speaker 1: would be like, oh, I can't believe we didn't get

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Speaker 1: to be in the top five. But yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: some of those names absolutely could be gone when you

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Speaker 1: get on the clock. Yeah, I think. I think. I

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Speaker 1: think the bigger thing now the quarterback conversation. We think

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Speaker 1: about the teams at the top. So at the tip

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Speaker 1: you have Jackson's I was gonna take a quarterback, the

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Speaker 1: New York Jackson are gonna be in the mix, we

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Speaker 1: don't know, because the Miami Dolphins are the ultimate wildcard

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Speaker 1: when it comes to two and what they decide. Then

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Speaker 1: you have the Atlanta Falcons at four. So three of

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Speaker 1: the top five we know. You talk about the Eagles

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Speaker 1: being at six, and then behind them you have enough

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Speaker 1: teams that have the interest. And so if you are

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Speaker 1: in the top five and you're the guy boys, you

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Speaker 1: just talk about being able to really parlay that and

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Speaker 1: play other teams against one another to really maybe get

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Speaker 1: a big haul. But in terms of the players, the

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Speaker 1: players that will fall out of there, because we would

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Speaker 1: think that three maybe four quarterbacks and go a good

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Speaker 1: player is gonna fall to them. It's a matter of

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Speaker 1: are you comfortable pulling the trigger on a guy at

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Speaker 1: the top ten? Does his great equate to where you're

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Speaker 1: gonna have to select him at well, I think the

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Speaker 1: MoCo's in front of you are probably interested in a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: So if Trevor Lawrence goes one, then you've got Zach

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Speaker 1: Wilson justin fields kind of in that mix for the

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Speaker 1: second and third quarterbacks taken, then maybe Trey Lance maybe

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Speaker 1: the fourth guy off the board. So there's a chance

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Speaker 1: for four quarterbacks to be off the board, So that

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Speaker 1: way you get what would that be the fifth or

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Speaker 1: sixth best non quarterback falling to you, and hopefully one

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Speaker 1: of those guys fits your need at corner or at linebacker,

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Speaker 1: like we said with Michael Parsons, potentially, I think Michael

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Speaker 1: Parsons might fit a little bit up there in the draft.

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Speaker 1: He would be one of the names, Jeff, that I

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Speaker 1: would agree with you on that wouldn't be there at ten,

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Speaker 1: though he might have been there a little bit early on,

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Speaker 1: maybe right after that. Five. Well, let's let's take let's

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Speaker 1: take a little vote here, who's the best defensive player

479
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Speaker 1: you guys have seen so far? Who's the best for me.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. See that, because whoever, whoever that is,

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Speaker 1: that's likely to be the first player taken, I'm probably

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Speaker 1: I think, well, I think we're all pretty good at this,

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Speaker 1: We're all pretty good at evaluating, and I would trust

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Speaker 1: anybody's opinion on this panel right now. If you said, hey, Brian,

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Speaker 1: I think that Parsons is the best defensive player. Oh,

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Speaker 1: by the way, Brian, I think Farley's the best defensive player.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I would trust you guys to say that,

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Speaker 1: because but that's that's where you know. That's whoever, whoever

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Speaker 1: the first defensive player is, that's probably not the guy

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be on your board. That's not gonna be

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Speaker 1: whoever the second guy you say is, Oh, that guy

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Speaker 1: very well could be the guy that you have. You

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Speaker 1: have the chances Draft seven for me and I have

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Speaker 1: it's the most unique draft I can remember. At the top,

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Speaker 1: because if you're gonna tell me Micah Parsons is the

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Speaker 1: best defender in the class, I'll say, okay. If you

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Speaker 1: tell me Caleb Farley is the best defender, I'd be like, okay.

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Speaker 1: If you wanted to say certain, if you want to

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Speaker 1: tell me a Zizo, JILARI, the Georgia edge is the

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Speaker 1: best defender in this class. I'll listen to you. I

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Speaker 1: don't know, because there's no Ramsey, there's no Miles Garrett,

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Speaker 1: there's no Bosa that they don't even well, Jeff. I

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Speaker 1: was trying to I was trying to build you. I

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Speaker 1: was trying to build you up there, Jeff. And now

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Speaker 1: you're making me feel bad about selection. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: give me, give me one name, though I can't. I'm

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Speaker 1: not fine personally. If it was me, there's if it

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Speaker 1: had me, there's difference. If it was me, I would

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Speaker 1: say Farley that I would I have and I And

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Speaker 1: it's crazy to say this for a guy. Both guys

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Speaker 1: did not play. There's this still last year and now

512
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Speaker 1: and I'm thinking which one do I want to roll?

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Speaker 1: If I'm the Cowboys, I think I'm rolling the dice

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Speaker 1: on Farley if you know over But to me, I

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Speaker 1: don't know whoever, And it might be the teams might say,

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Speaker 1: you know what, there's not a consensus number one defensive

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Speaker 1: player on that board, and all of a sudden, those

518
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Speaker 1: guys started going down, down, down down, and that you

519
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Speaker 1: never know. At ten, you might be sitting there with you.

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Speaker 1: Might be the team that picks the first defensive player.

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Speaker 1: Is what I'm saying. That that's it and that's a ten. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and Brian, I think then the conversation and goes to

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Speaker 1: if we're having a debate, you talk about Kayleb Farley,

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Speaker 1: do I want to take Kayleb Farley? Do I want

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Speaker 1: to take Patrick Surtam because I've seen Patrick Curtan play

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Speaker 1: this year, Because some of these debates are going to

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Speaker 1: be decided, well, I've seen this guy this year. I

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Speaker 1: haven't seen this guy in a year. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if I can do it. And so this year is

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Speaker 1: unlike any that I've seen in terms of defense. I mean,

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Speaker 1: defense is so far behind the offensive players and the

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Speaker 1: skill players that are available that I think you have

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Speaker 1: to be very very careful with you the Cowboys, not

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Speaker 1: to reach and to really dig down deep to figure

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Speaker 1: out which defensive player you would want to take at ten.

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Speaker 1: This is gonna be a this draft that could be

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Speaker 1: when when we look back three years from now, it

538
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Speaker 1: could be like the draft with the JJ Watt and

539
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Speaker 1: Smith they have like there's nine great players taken and

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Speaker 1: then Jacksonville took took Gabber, you know, and it's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's like, yeah, everybody got a whole fame player,

542
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Speaker 1: but then you took gabber. You know. That's what can

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Speaker 1: happen here. Seriously, I mean it, you know, to me,

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Speaker 1: I would it's funny with all those with the defensive

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Speaker 1: players on the board and Slater, the offensive tackle from

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Speaker 1: Northwestern's there. I'm kind of go away to tackle. I

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Speaker 1: raised in my hand after I take a bite in

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Speaker 1: my turkey sandwich in the draft room and go, uh

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Speaker 1: does anybody like Slater? I like Slater Northwestern tackle? You know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's some questions, but because I can

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Speaker 1: say you might be the first you might be the

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Speaker 1: first team at ten that takes a defense four wide.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we're going Jalen Waddle, DeVante Smith, Kyle Pence, let's

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Speaker 1: go yeah. Oh man, there's I mean, and that's another thing.

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Speaker 1: As those wide receivers in the top ten Smith, I

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Speaker 1: mean Smith from Alabama. You're kidding me? There those guys there.

557
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Speaker 1: I can't wait. The Smith. The Smith conversation is one

558
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: that is going to be interesting because he scares me

559
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Speaker 1: a little bit. Wait, is weights he's one hundred and

560
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Speaker 1: seventy five and four four or four eight four four

561
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Speaker 1: nine is fast? But is that fast enough to convince me?

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Speaker 1: The offset the skinny issue because when we think about it,

563
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Speaker 1: when was the last time a skinny wide receiver has

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Speaker 1: come in and dominate the league? Because when you take

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Speaker 1: him that high, that's what the expectation is. And I

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Speaker 1: just have these images of Tavon Austin all over again

567
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Speaker 1: and the debate like, hey, don't take don't take small

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Speaker 1: guys at the top of the board. I think, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think the difference would be where to go get

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Speaker 1: him set up? Where to get muy. I think that's

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Speaker 1: so true. That's why I wanted to be on with

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Speaker 1: Brian and Bucky because I think, like I'm fundamentally opposed

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Speaker 1: to some of these ideas that it's like, well, I

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Speaker 1: haven't seen a lot of this, Like the short safety,

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Speaker 1: I'll take him, the short quarterback, I'll take him. I'll

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Speaker 1: take him. But yeah, it looks different. It looks different.

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Speaker 1: But if you're making a list of DeVante Smith's weaknesses,

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Speaker 1: what is the list? I think it's he's skinny, nice,

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Speaker 1: he's slight, he's slight. That's I think that there's no question,

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Speaker 1: no question, no question. Look, he's he's a fantastic prospect,

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Speaker 1: He's a fantastic college player. However, when I think about, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I got DeVante Smith lined up opposite Jalen Ramsey, how

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Speaker 1: do I feel about that matchup? Do I feel like

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Speaker 1: he's gonna be able to hold his own when people

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Speaker 1: put their hands on because Brian and Jeff, you know,

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Speaker 1: the first thing that people are gonna do when he's

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Speaker 1: running free in space those first four games. Okay, let's

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Speaker 1: walk up and let's put our hands on him, and

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Speaker 1: does he have enough to withstand that? Down after down

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Speaker 1: after down ufter down. Now, the other thing would be

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Speaker 1: maybe he's Marvin Harrison. So yeah, I mean like like

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Speaker 1: that would be that that would be the thing. But

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Speaker 1: when you look at some of the other guys that

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Speaker 1: may have more like Jamar Chase and some of those

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Speaker 1: other guys you just have to balance as a top

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Speaker 1: ten pick, do I feel good about the skinny guy

597
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Speaker 1: taking him number one to be my number one receiver? Bucky, Bucky,

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Speaker 1: I didn't get to do the show with you last year.

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Speaker 1: What did you feel about the build of Ceedee Lamb

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Speaker 1: when you watched him the build? How he physically looked.

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Speaker 1: So it's funny. I think I likened Ceedee Lamb to

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Speaker 1: a more dynamic version of DeAndre Hopkins because I didn't

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Speaker 1: feel like Ceedee Lamb created like great separation as a

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Speaker 1: route runner. But I felt like he was a catch

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Speaker 1: and run specialist. You want to get the ball to

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Speaker 1: him and let him run because the best thing that

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Speaker 1: he did was either after the catch or went into

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Speaker 1: fifty fifty ball. And so that was the difference in

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Speaker 1: my mind between him and Jerry Judy. I felt like

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Speaker 1: Jerry Judy was more of the route runner, Ceedee Lamb

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Speaker 1: was more of the playmaker. And that was my recent

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Speaker 1: comp too, when you guys started talking about skinny white receivers. Now,

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Speaker 1: I know, Ceedee Lamb's a little bit, I guess, wider

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Speaker 1: than DeVante Smith, but overall, I mean, you look at

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Speaker 1: Cede Lamb out there, and he looks skinny. I mean

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Speaker 1: he's got that build where he's slender and he's shifty

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Speaker 1: and a playmaker with the ball in his hands. Now,

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Speaker 1: I want to keep talking about these measurables. I think

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Speaker 1: this is a conversation. We're gonna have it again. Kind

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Speaker 1: of in the third segment, of where does this fit?

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Speaker 1: And that's why I'm glad Jeff Cavanalls on this show

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Speaker 1: because I think this is going to be interesting talking

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Speaker 1: about where players are physically challenged and how that kind

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Speaker 1: of affects him as opposed to where it did in

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Speaker 1: the past. It come drafted. But when we come back,

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Speaker 1: let's do some twitter on the twenty and we're gonna

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Speaker 1: go to the opposite side of the top ten. We

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Speaker 1: talked about some of the names that could fall. What

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Speaker 1: Draft Show. Glad you're with us having a lot of

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Speaker 1: fun talking about this upcoming offseason for the Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: In the entire NFL Draft, Bucky Brooks, Brian brought us,

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Speaker 1: Jeff Cavanall joining us today, and then I'm Kyle Yeomen's

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Speaker 1: just you're trying to drive the bus as always here

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Speaker 1: on the Draft Show, and it's time now to jump

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Speaker 1: into some fan questions via Twitter on the twenty Twitter

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Speaker 1: on the Twitter there it is Chris being doing fantastic

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Speaker 1: work in the back as always. Now we're gonna start

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Speaker 1: things off from a question from Christian and I like

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Speaker 1: this because it kind of flip flops. What we talked

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00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: about in the first segment in terms of guys who

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00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,800
Speaker 1: could fall in from the top ten to the tenth

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Speaker 1: overall pick. But are there any names that are not

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Speaker 1: being talked about right now for the Cowboys at ten

685
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: that could be selected there from maybe the backside of

686
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Speaker 1: that top ten. So I'm gonna take these names out

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Speaker 1: of the running, every one of the four quarterbacks, so Lance, Wilson,

688
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: Lawrence of course. And then we'll take all those quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: out of the mix. So I'm also gonna take Kyle Pitts,

690
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: Kayla Farley, Patrick's Artan Slater. There is all the offensive

691
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 1: tackles Seoul and Rousseau out of the mix as well.

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00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: So that's ten names across the board that have now

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Speaker 1: flattened away from the Cowboys. I want to find somebody

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00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: that's not been named there that could fall or it

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00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: could jump to the Cowboys. And we'll start with you,

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00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: Bucky Man. That's tough. You took away all the good players.

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00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, tell you we're all the good players

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00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: at the top of the thing. Um, guys, it's crazy, right,

699
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: and I'm ahead reach but yeah, yeah, I'm not. I'm

700
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: not in love with this player. But I can understand

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00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: how people are gonna fall in love with and I'm

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00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: gonna throw the name out and I don't want to

703
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: be tied to it, But Gregory Roussou is gonna be

704
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: a name that we talked about and the reason why

705
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: he's gonna test like a freak. He's gonna test like

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00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: a free He's long, he has that production from that

707
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: one season. He hasn't played this year, and people are

708
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: going to imagine, particularly if the coaches are driving the process.

709
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: Coaches are going to say, man, I take this guy,

710
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: I can take him to the next level. Um being

711
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: a former high school receiver that made the transition, everyone

712
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: is going to gamble on the upside. And in a

713
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: year where you don't have certainty on defense, I just

714
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: believe that people could reach for pass rushes because they

715
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: coveted at a premium. And Jeff, I know you do

716
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: not like Rousseau because you and I have texted about

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00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: how we both do not like Russa. So tell me

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00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: why you don't like Rousseau and how that could be

719
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 1: the case you're trying to do. You're trying to pit

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Speaker 1: me against Buck to tear down the guy. He said,

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00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: but he told you straight a little bit either, Okay. Um,

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00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: so saying saying that I don't like Rousseau, I think

723
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: would make people think, oh, but would you pick him

724
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 1: in the twenties. No, I'm want to be very clear here.

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00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: Rousseau goes in the fourth round. Okay, I want to

726
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: be very clear here. I don't I don't need a

727
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: two fifty pounds, six foot seven guy who lines up

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Speaker 1: at nose tackle to run around guards. Um, I'm gonna

729
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 1: throw out a very random name because I was working

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00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: through some offensive line yesterday. Because Kyle's making us reach.

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Speaker 1: This is the first this is the first line. The

732
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 1: Cowboys have an offensive line that's awesome. You're making us reach.

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Speaker 1: Nobody wants this pick. Yes, Elijah vera Tucker at USC oh,

734
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Speaker 1: I think for you acle or guard, and I think

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Speaker 1: he could play it at a high up. So I'm

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Speaker 1: just gonna throw out a random offensive line name that

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Speaker 1: I think is going to be a first rounder, that

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00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: I think could have position versatility and is a good prospect.

739
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: So you took away, as Bucky said, you took away

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Speaker 1: the good players. So I'll go to this. I'm gonna

741
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: go to the slightly less good players, or I'll cheat

742
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: if Brian's not gonna say it, and I'll throw out

743
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: Jac Horne as well. Oh jeez, Jeff to me, how

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00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:40,240
Speaker 1: many names? How many? How many names are you gonna Kyle?

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00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 1: How about a better control of the situation here. I'm sorry.

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00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: If I were in the same room, it would be

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00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: much more controlled. It's the back of the virtual Brian.

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00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Oh my gosh, Kyle, who who invited Jeff? Anyway?

749
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Speaker 1: Who Jeff? This program? My god, I don't know. Jeff.

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00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: That's a very good one, man, Jac Horne, I think

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00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: now and saying I'll also say this, we're gonna get

752
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: into measurables. But the Samuel kid from Florida State, I

753
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: know he's five ten, but there's some Yeah, there's gonna

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00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: be some people that're gonna fall in love with him.

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00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: But I'll give you one that somebody I think will

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00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: fall in love with and it might not be the cowboys,

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00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: but he's going to come up the boards. Is Terence

758
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 1: Marshall from LSU the wide receiver. I have a feeling

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00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 1: that these people are now looking at these LSU wide

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Speaker 1: receivers and if you have two thousand nineteen tape but

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00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 1: watch He's two thousand and twenty tape before he left

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Speaker 1: the program, and people there's some questions, Hey, why did

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00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: you bail on the program at LSU. Hey, you know,

764
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: but I'll tell you what. You watch him in this

765
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,919
Speaker 1: tape that the six seven games that he played, and

766
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,720
Speaker 1: he is the only thing that LSU has on offense,

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00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: and they and teams know it, and he's still making plays.

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Speaker 1: I have a feeling with what happened with the kid

769
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Speaker 1: at Minnesota, Jamar Chase. People are gonna watch this tape

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Speaker 1: and Marshall is gonna be a riser on a lot

771
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: of people's boards. Probably not for the Cowboys at ten,

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00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: but that's a guy to keep an eye on. In

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00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: Jeff's right about porn, and I'm glad he said that.

774
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 1: And I'm also glad he said about the USC guard tackle.

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00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: I think that was a really, really good get on

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00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: his part. I really do look look to piggyback on

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00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: both of you guys point. I absolutely agree Bara Tucker

778
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: as someone as of interest because everybody wants position versatility upfront.

779
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 1: You can't get enough guys that can do a bunch

780
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 1: of different things, particularly if you're the Cowboys and you're

781
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 1: looking at what you have and Leall Collins and Tyrn

782
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: Smith and just being able to reshuffle the deck. If

783
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 1: Neeby that would certainly work. Terence Marshall is interesting because

784
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: I want to say he was a number one receiver

785
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: when he came out of high school and have him

786
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: watched him when he was high school as some of

787
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: these events, like, he has everything that you look for

788
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: in terms of the size, the athleticism, the route running,

789
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Speaker 1: ability to skill, and don't underestimate what Justin Jefferson's breakout

790
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: is going to do for the LSU Y receivers. It's

791
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: going to change how everyone looks. And even though we

792
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Speaker 1: say this as scouts, don't scout the helmet, you're gonna

793
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Speaker 1: look at what Justin Jefferson was able to do, and

794
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: you're going to look at him play alongside Jamarches and Marston.

795
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: You'd be like, you know what, Yeah, this guy can

796
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Speaker 1: do it. These other guys can also do it. To

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Speaker 1: your point, Bucky, I mean, I know Jeff and I

798
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Speaker 1: have sat down and watch tape for seven years together

799
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Speaker 1: and I always it's always like you're supposed to be

800
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,760
Speaker 1: watching this guy, but then you end up watching somebody

801
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: else guy, and Jeff goes, hey, who is this? Who

802
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: is this number seven? That what you know? Or who

803
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: is this number whatever? And you're you're supposed to be

804
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 1: watching like an offensive tackle, but then all of a sudden,

805
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: this number seven is catching every single ball and now

806
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 1: you're going, oh, what years you at school? And then

807
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 1: you make that mental note, Bucky. You and I've sat

808
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: in those rooms. We've sat in those draft rooms and

809
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: somebody brings up a name and we're like, I hate

810
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 1: this player, but what you know I'm gonna do. I'm

811
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: gonna watch this other guy is what I'm gonna Dante Smith,

812
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: We all Dote Smith when we were watching. When you're

813
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: watching Rugs and you're watching absolutely a sweat. Every play

814
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: is being made by the skinny kid. That's neither one

815
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: of the players I'm watching, and I'm like, why isn't

816
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: this new declaring he's the best one? Yeah? Alabama stupid

817
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 1: the fact that they had Judy and Leave in the

818
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Speaker 1: first round and the ones in this year's draft to

819
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: me are better. They're better than Judy and Rugs. It's

820
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: stupid what's going on in Alabama. That's the great thing.

821
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: When when that's a great thing, about Kat when he

822
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,959
Speaker 1: was watching take Kat was my go to guy, Like Kat,

823
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 1: what years this kid that were that were that I'm

824
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: watching here right, what year's that kid? Katie's like, Oh,

825
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: he's only a sophomore process Okay, mental note, mental note

826
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: next year. Yeah. Brian also wants to know their hometown

827
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: for some reason. Hello like k T versus kid from

828
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: Hey you want Lucky Day, Jeff, You want to know

829
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: that because there's certain there's certain places in the country

830
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: that are Florida Bill played Florida Yell City will beat

831
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Speaker 1: the seven five seven if you go to the Tide

832
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Speaker 1: Water region in Virginia, Michael Vick and new Smith like,

833
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: there's there's something in the water. And so you want

834
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: to know those areas because look, you just find, you

835
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: just find guys. They have a way of just KYD

836
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: give him one of those towns. Brian be like, uh huh,

837
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: thought he might be, thought he might be. I knew

838
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: it exactly straight off the dome. But I agree. I

839
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: like Terrence Marshall Junior. I like him a lot, Brian,

840
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: and I think I put him right there. And the

841
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: kind of that second tier of wide receivers trying to

842
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 1: innch into the first tier right there with maybe like

843
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: a Rashad Bateman from Minnesota. Good player, that's a really

844
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: good player. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I disagree with that. Actually,

845
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: I wouldn't disagree with Tony Beanery. I think I think

846
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: Marshall's right there with Tony though. That's how good I

847
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: think he's been over the last couple of months. Now.

848
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: This comes this question comes from Connor Liftsa on Twitter, who,

849
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: of course is a big draft not I love following

850
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: his stuff at Connor NFL Draft on Twitter. He's fantastic.

851
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: So he asked us a really good question about Michael Parsons.

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Speaker 1: He said, Michael Parsons as a pure linebacker at the

853
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Speaker 1: tenth overall pick is a no bueno for him anyways,

854
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Speaker 1: But what if they draft him to rush the passer

855
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: for say, thirty to forty percent of his snaps? Would

856
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,439
Speaker 1: that make you feel better about the value of taking

857
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: the linebacker at the tenth overall pick. That could also

858
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: be intriguing as an edge rusher. Brian, Yeah, I mean

859
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: Bucky mentioned about the versatility and stuff like that, and man,

860
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: I was just for that size, you know, and he's

861
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: freakish how big he really is? I mean I was

862
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 1: watching speaking to Freakis Xavian Collins from Tulsa. That's another

863
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: freakish guy to watch when it comes to these linebackers

864
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But I think the thing with

865
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: I think the things with Parsons that that makes him,

866
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: uh you know that this intriguing is the size. But

867
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: I'm also thinking about, you know, the rush, and he's right,

868
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: and I think when you you you know, the one

869
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 1: thing you want is you want some stoutness. You want

870
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: that ability to hold up, you want that ability to

871
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 1: be physical. And you know, this guy can make some

872
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: impressive plays. He really can. But there's that scares me

873
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: to death, those stretches of games where you're thinking, man,

874
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 1: just go dominate that Purdue guy, Go dominate that Indiana guy. Go.

875
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: You know, and he's just not you know, it's just

876
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: not always there for him. But as a pass rusher,

877
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I mean, because what he is, that

878
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,720
Speaker 1: power enables him when he has to take on guards,

879
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 1: when he has to take on backs, he could just

880
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: over power people to get to the quarterback and affect

881
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: the pocket. So and I think he can finish. I

882
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,720
Speaker 1: think there's some things that he does as a finisher

883
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: that are really really good. I just wish at sixty three,

884
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 1: two hundred and forty four pounds that I saw it

885
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 1: like every single play. He wears a number of LaVar

886
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: Arrington back in the day at number eleven. That was

887
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: a finisher. That wasn't every down sucker right there, And

888
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: so i'd see that eleven at Penn State uniform. I'm thinking, Oh,

889
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 1: he's not LaVar Arrington. And you know, and here I am.

890
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: I have to pick him probably in the top ten

891
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: to get him. You know, I'm gonna say this, Brian,

892
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: and I'm probably too close to the kid because I've

893
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: known him since high school. One. He was a defensive

894
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: end in high school and so he was more natural,

895
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: I would say, with his hand in the dirt, and

896
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: so he's learned how to play linebacker. The only thing

897
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: that ever scares me about Michael Parsons is I would

898
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 1: say the level of immaturity. And so some of the

899
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: inconsistency is due to the immature. And I just don't

900
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: know if that light comes on as a pro. And

901
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: so when I think of a top ten pick and

902
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: we're talking about checking off all the boxes, I think

903
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: you have to examine the football character and just make sure,

904
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: particularly given it, I don't want to put this on them,

905
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 1: particularly given the Dwayne Haskins situation and how they played

906
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: out in Washington. You just want to make sure that

907
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 1: the guy you're bringing in he is going to play

908
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: to the standard. Because he gets to the game and

909
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 1: he's ready to play to the standard. He's not distracted

910
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: by life. Well it congratulations, Bucky, you just killed the

911
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: kid in the eyes of all cowboy fans. So congratulations. Yeah, yeah, everybody.

912
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: Bucky just put the kid in the headline. And you know, hey,

913
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,919
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding, but yeah, but when you hear those things,

914
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: when you talk about taking a guy that high, you

915
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,879
Speaker 1: want you want everything to be in line. You don't

916
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 1: want those questions. Yeah, the tape is good, but if

917
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: you're telling me there's immaturity things, you know, that's that's

918
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: just what you what you can read. I think that's

919
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 1: the thing. I think that's the thing that you have

920
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: to investigate. Like we talk about at top ten, you

921
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: want to make sure we get it right. So we're

922
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 1: trying to mitigate all the risk, and so you want

923
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: to make sure that your guys love it. And so

924
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Speaker 1: if you come from a place where if you're gonna

925
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Speaker 1: take an off the ball linebacker, particularly that huh you're thinking,

926
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: I want someone that is like Luke Keekley in terms

927
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Speaker 1: of the maturity or the way that they get it,

928
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Speaker 1: or I mean even like Sean Lee in terms of

929
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: just a maturity part of it. That guy has to

930
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: come in because if he's coming in, he's probably coming

931
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Speaker 1: into supplant Jaylen Smith and the love hate relationship that

932
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Speaker 1: Cowboys fans have with Jaylen Smith? Are you trying to

933
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Speaker 1: replace him with someone who could potentially be like Jaylen

934
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Speaker 1: Smith in terms of that thing, like, man, does he

935
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 1: love it? Does he make plays? Does he feel like

936
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: he's Hollywood Henderson? Or is he like what what are

937
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 1: we getting in the building? Well? In Parsonsincent alone in

938
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Speaker 1: that draft, even on the deep intub side of the football,

939
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: I think with some of those issues in twenty twenty

940
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Speaker 1: kind of it gives you an odd look at how

941
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Speaker 1: they kind of affect these prospects and how they deal

942
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Speaker 1: with those off the field issues. One of the guys

943
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Speaker 1: I watched yesterday, I really liked his tape, Dave and

944
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: Nixon out of Iowa, the defensive tackle. I really liked

945
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: this tape a lot, but from a couple of people

946
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: that I had texted about it, that had kind of

947
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: talked to some scouts, they have issues or at least

948
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 1: questions around his maturity. And this is the Big Ten

949
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,520
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950
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: a ton of production. But just that that mindset and

951
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: that drive. It's something that I know teams are especially

952
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: looking for because maybe the Dwayne Haskins situation, because of

953
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Speaker 1: the mental toughness that took to get through the twenty

954
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Speaker 1: twenty season. I think there's a lot of different factors

955
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Speaker 1: that play into that. Okay, so we got to take

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Speaker 1: those measurables. Jeff wants all the weird guys when it

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960
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Speaker 1: put him in his place. Maybe we'll see when we

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1011
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Speaker 1: about it in the first segment. But how far has

1012
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Speaker 1: the league gone away from looking at the measurables, looking

1013
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: at the physicalities and the freaks that are coming out

1014
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Speaker 1: of the draft in terms of just the game changing

1015
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Speaker 1: type of prospects when it comes to their physical abilities,

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Speaker 1: and are there going to be guys that are physically

1017
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Speaker 1: challenged taken high like maybe Kyler Murray who was picked

1018
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: number one overall offensively, but then there was maybe an

1019
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 1: Antoine Winfield junior who was one of the better defensive

1020
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: rookies this season in the NFL. Bucky, how far is

1021
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:46,399
Speaker 1: the league going away from these physical attributes and these

1022
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: measurables whenever they come to their draft evaluations. You know,

1023
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 1: it really depends. I think as the scouting world has

1024
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: gotten younger, I think you have guys who have gone

1025
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 1: away from maybe some of those traditional norms when it

1026
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 1: comes to certain positions. But part of the reason why

1027
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: the measurables are the measurables is because you're trying to

1028
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Speaker 1: minimize the risk when it comes to drafting players. Like

1029
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Speaker 1: there's a reason why there's been a long history of

1030
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: certain guys that measure and weigh a certain thing, that

1031
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 1: have played for a long time in the league, and

1032
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Speaker 1: so you subscribe to that. So even though you may

1033
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Speaker 1: miss out on a few gems, overall, the odds suggest

1034
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Speaker 1: that you're going to get it right because they checked

1035
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Speaker 1: off the boxes. That said, if someone doesn't check off

1036
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Speaker 1: the boxes and height, weight, speed or those things, they

1037
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Speaker 1: better have a superpower because the only way that you're

1038
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Speaker 1: going to be able to let those guys come in

1039
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Speaker 1: they have to have extraordinary traits in another area. And

1040
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Speaker 1: so when you talk about it, Cala Murray, Cala Murray

1041
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Speaker 1: may be short, but his superpower was his speed, quickness,

1042
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: and his ability to make plays. Baker Mayfield was more

1043
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Speaker 1: of the anomaly because he didn't have any of those

1044
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: superpowered traits and was taking number one overall. But typically

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Speaker 1: you have to have a superpower to go at the

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Speaker 1: top of the board, right. Yeah, I'll tell you what though, Buck,

1047
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: he hit the nail on the head. John Dorsey took

1048
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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield because he believed that Baker Mayfield could could

1049
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Speaker 1: command the locker room. That's why he he he liked

1050
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Speaker 1: the swagger of Baker Mayfield is why that pick was made.

1051
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Speaker 1: He felt like that Baker's teammates would gravitate towards him,

1052
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: would play for would run through the wall for him.

1053
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Speaker 1: So you know that's there's certain beliefs. But Bucky's also

1054
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Speaker 1: right about these new age general managers. You know, they

1055
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Speaker 1: don't look at things like the old the Ron Wolves

1056
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Speaker 1: and the Bill Polians and the Al Davises and those people.

1057
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Speaker 1: It's a different era of general managers. I mean I've

1058
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Speaker 1: seen the list, you know, Bucky works in the NFL network.

1059
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Speaker 1: I see the list of general managers that are interviewed

1060
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Speaker 1: for these jobs, and I'm going, who who, Who's that?

1061
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Speaker 1: But that's what's going to happen. And this group is

1062
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: going to change, and they're going to draft players differently.

1063
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: They're added to it's about players are going to be differently.

1064
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: They might believe in all the metrics and things like that,

1065
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: but man, it's like they'll just take guys and it

1066
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 1: doesn't matter height, weight, speed, you know. And I and

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00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: for the for the for the most part, I like

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00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 1: to see that because I'm just gonna say, in this

1069
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: draft so far, I've seen a couple of players I

1070
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 1: mentioned Samuel from Florida State. Rondel Moore is another one

1071
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: from Purdum that's five nine eighty. I watch him play

1072
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: and I'm going, holy geez, you know, wow, Okay, I

1073
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,839
Speaker 1: see it. You know, maybe not, you know, we'll see

1074
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 1: where he gets in the draft and stuff. But there

1075
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,320
Speaker 1: are some guys that they could really get your attention

1076
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: that that don't have ideal measurables, but they have, like

1077
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: Bucky's talking about, that superpower that makes them different than

1078
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: everybody else, and some of those measurables are incredibly important.

1079
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I remember, you know, I think until it

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00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,879
Speaker 1: burns you personally, you can ignore or what other people

1081
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: try to tell you. Because, for instance, the corner who

1082
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 1: runs four six or worse. To Bucky's point, you know,

1083
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: a lot of teams aren't trying to pick a slow

1084
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: corner because you're like, all right, how many great ones

1085
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 1: have there been? And somebody pulls out a spreadsheet of

1086
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: all the corners ever drafted that ran a four six

1087
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,280
Speaker 1: and they're like, well we found two, and you're like, okay,

1088
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 1: so we should avoid that risk, and it's like, yes,

1089
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 1: now we also were going to miss Josh Norman. Sorry,

1090
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: but we weren't willing to take that risk. And it

1091
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: burned me when I liked Tease Tabor and he ran

1092
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: a bad forty. Turned out he couldn't play in the league.

1093
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:36,439
Speaker 1: So then Cameron Danceler. I watched Cameron Danceler cover Jamar Chase,

1094
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 1: and I'm like, first round. Then he ran in the

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00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,320
Speaker 1: four sixes and I said end of the second and

1096
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: I moved him just off a forty time. So you know,

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00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: there's a reason for a lot of these things. I

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00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: think some of the ones that I wouldn't worry about

1099
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: as much are basically the height and the weight. I

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00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,760
Speaker 1: understand why you want a three cone time, I understand

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00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 1: why a corner's got to run fast, But if you're

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00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:02,399
Speaker 1: talking about weight or height in some cases, I think

1103
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 1: those are the ones I would push back against the

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00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 1: most Well how about that? About this? If you watch

1105
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: Rashaan Slater out of Northwestern the tackle, everybody will tell

1106
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 1: you he's got short arms, and I'm watching it block

1107
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: Chase Young, and Chase Young they have to move him

1108
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: to the other side of the field to get him

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00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: away from Slater. You know, they're saying, people say, oh,

1110
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: he's got short arms, short arms. Yeah, but he's blocking

1111
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 1: the best player in the country right now. You know,

1112
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: I mean, what are we? What are we doing? Here

1113
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 1: are we? And sometimes you've become a slave to that

1114
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 1: line of thinking, and you know it it'll, it'll, it'll,

1115
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: it'll take you the wrong direction a lot of the

1116
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: times though, yeah you know, yeah, no, but I would say,

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00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 1: like cal like outside of this, like in theory, what

1118
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: we're doing is a beauty pageant, right, And so if

1119
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 1: we think about the first round them getting the crown

1120
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: and Tierra, you just want to check off the boxes

1121
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: to make sure. And so it's not like, oh I

1122
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: don't like a player because they don't up all those attributes?

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00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 1: Is okay? Is this a first round player? Because with

1124
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: your general managers, you're going through the checklist and you're

1125
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:10,439
Speaker 1: trying to figure out and approximate. Okay, where's the risk

1126
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: reward factor? Is this more of a second round player

1127
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: based on a I like everything, but he doesn't have this,

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00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 1: And so it's just that in a perfect world, you

1129
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: want your first round pick to really be a superhero

1130
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: that can leap tall builders in a single bound, but

1131
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: it doesn't always happen. Yeah, you want your you want that,

1132
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: like Buggy's talking about, you want your beauty patchet to

1133
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 1: be in the top ten one of the finalists. You

1134
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: don't want them to be like doing the number at

1135
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: the end of the night. You know where the other

1136
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 1: authorty girls are kind of doing some numbers. Thank you

1137
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: for being in the patchet. You want Miss you want

1138
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:48,959
Speaker 1: Miss Georgia, Miss Texas, Miss California. You knows Miss Mississippi.

1139
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 1: You know you want those. That's what you're looking for. Yeah,

1140
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: I don't even know anything about patchets, so I don't

1141
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: know if Hey, if you pick you pick miss if

1142
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: you picked Miss Trinidad Tobago in your top ten, you're

1143
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: gonna win the pool. Every single time. You're gonna win it.

1144
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: You're gonna win the pool. Uh, real quickly, we only

1145
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 1: have a couple of minutes here, but I want to

1146
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 1: I want you each to give me a name that

1147
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 1: fits into that category where the measurables aren't necessarily living

1148
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 1: up to the tape, and where you look at the

1149
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: tape and you say, hey, he's a baller. The productions there,

1150
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 1: the tape is there, but he's not necessarily first round

1151
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: because of blank. I want to I want to know

1152
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: a player from each one of those guys. From you,

1153
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 1: Jeff will start with you. Well, yeah, Gregory Rousseau. We

1154
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: already did this, okay, Yeah, yeah, Gregory Russeau is tall,

1155
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 1: and he's long, and he might run a good forty

1156
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: and he might test well athletically, and he had eighteen

1157
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 1: sacks in a single season against decent competition. What's not

1158
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 1: to like? And I think I just I watched that

1159
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,439
Speaker 1: tape and I came away from it going then ain't

1160
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 1: a first round player, And I have no idea why

1161
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: people are talking about him in the top ten. I'm

1162
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: gonna gonna be the positive because I felt like I

1163
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 1: was negative early with Mica. So I'm gonna go up.

1164
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a name. Aman Ross Saint Brown

1165
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: and the wide receiver from USC. He's probably gonna come

1166
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 1: in a little under the standard stuff, but in terms

1167
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: of being a baller, he's an absolute ball and he

1168
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 1: has someone as Steve Smith old school Steve Smith to

1169
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 1: him in terms of his competitiveness and Gruit deskn serving

1170
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 1: will because I think he's gonna outstad in pro. Yeah,

1171
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: you know, I've mentioned Samuel, a bunch from Florida State.

1172
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: I think somebody's gonna get a hell of a football

1173
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: player there. I love I love the fact that all

1174
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 1: these players have their dads were NFL players. Samuel Well,

1175
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna watch the Clemson tape. You're gonna say, oh,

1176
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: the taller guy got him. Taller guy got him. But

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01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 1: if you watch all his tape, all the opportunities he had,

1178
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 1: this kid goes out there and he plays hard every

1179
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 1: single snap. He makes plays on the ball, he could cover,

1180
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 1: he could tackle. I mean, he's kind of a blockdown tackler,

1181
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 1: but he's aggressive, he's he goes after you. I think

1182
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 1: people are gonna fall in love with him. I hope

1183
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 1: they give him the benefit to the doubt because of

1184
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 1: his height. Though he might be at the bottom of

1185
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: the first round, somebody might take him into second. But

1186
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a hell of a football player for somebody.

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01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Kyle, I thought we were doing negative things.

1188
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 1: I didn't realize we were doing positive things. So I

1189
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 1: thought we were just doing straight haydon. I didn't know

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01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: we were doing positive things. Uh. Then I also want

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01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 1: to piggyback. I want to piggyback on what Brian saying

1192
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: and throw out another corner. Elijah Molden at Washington Baller.

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01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 1: I don't care about your height. Come on down. But

1194
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 1: to Bucky's point, I'm not picking in the first round

1195
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 1: because you're right. Yeah, a good player. His dad was.

1196
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 1: His dad was a good player. Elijah's a really solid player.

1197
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 1: A lot of versatility too. Somebody somewhere, some way, Isaiah

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Speaker 1: Stanback is smiling with his U dub on Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 1: dot Com. Hey, hey, for a short guy. Don't forget

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01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 1: Nick Bolton, flynebacker Missouri, Missouri. Oh yeah, yeah, don't forget him.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's probably he's probably gonna be taken down

1202
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 1: towards the bottom, but he needs to be more up

1203
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 1: to the top. Don't let that six foot height scary

1204
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 1: at all. Number ten bron love it man, Hey, Buckie,

1205
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 1: Bucky told me, Parsons just kind of out there. That's

1206
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 1: not what he's saying. I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say

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Speaker 1: Bolton is not gonna have that those issues he's gonna

1208
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 1: He loves football. I could tell watching tape. He loves football.

1209
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: He loves it, he loves it. We've got to get

1210
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Speaker 1: our background information on Nick Bolton from Bucky Brooks. Whenever

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Speaker 1: we get an on here a couple of weeks. That's

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Speaker 1: gonna do it for us here on the Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 1: dot Com Draft Show. Be sure to join us on

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Speaker 1: Thursday at ten o'clock. We've got Dane, Jeff, and Kat

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Speaker 1: breaking things down for you as we continue on here

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Speaker 1: into the twenty twenty offseason, just one hundred and thirteen

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Speaker 1: days away from the NFL Draft. But for Bucky Brooks,

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Speaker 1: for Jeff Cavanall, thanks for popping on with us, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: for Brian brought us, and for Chris Beam, I'm Kyle

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Speaker 1: Yoman saying so long. We'll see you next time on

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