WEBVTT - 85: NIGHT CHAOS With Tom O’Neill 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:06.640 Welcome to Nightcall, a production of I Heart Radio. It's 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:29.680 ten pm in the Pine barrens and you're listening to Nightcall. Hello, 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:33.080 and welcome Tonightcall, a podcast for your strange days and 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:36.120 lonely nights. My name is Emily Yoshida. I am here 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:39.560 in Los Angeles, and with me, as always are Tessalynent 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:43.559 Molly Lambert. We are super excited. This week we have 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:47.000 a very special guest, Tom O'Neill on to talk about 0:00:47.000 --> 0:00:50.640 his book Chaos, UM, a new book about the Manson 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:53.600 murders and the CIA conspiracies and all sorts of fun 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:55.880 stuff that'll be in the second half of the show, 0:00:56.400 --> 0:00:59.160 but for right now, I just wanted to let go 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:04.440 around and do some recommendations, just like stuff we've been consuming. UM. 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:07.720 I wanted to point everybody real quick to Criteria, the 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:11.240 Criterion channel, which if you're not a subscriber, I would 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:13.800 highly recommend it, and I am not being paid to 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:16.760 say this. UM. They are doing a little spotlight on 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:19.560 Susan Pitt, who I feel like is a very Nightcall 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:25.560 approved animator. UM. She did a film, an animated film 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:28.320 called Asparagus that used to screen in front of Eraser 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:30.959 head when it was on its like midnight movie run. 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:35.880 She's just a very cool, kind of psychedelic um illustrator 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:38.360 and animator, like doing stuff that's very kind of left 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:40.640 the center of what when you think of the history 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:43.160 of American animation, especially in the time she was working, 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:47.360 which was like the seventies and eighties. Um. And yeah, 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:49.240 they have a bunch of her short films on Criterion 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:52.160 right now, so check it out. I saw her stuff 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:53.960 for the first time at a weird bar in Tokyo, 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:56.800 so it's like very turned on. What are they Like, 0:01:56.920 --> 0:02:00.280 I'm you've convinced me to subscribe to the Criterion channel, 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:03.440 but I haven't done it yet. Um, So what's like 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:07.120 what what is asparagus Like? It's very hard to describe. 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:10.280 It's sort of there's a lot of asparagus, like kind 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:12.880 of phallic asparagus. There's a whole sequence where like a 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:17.520 woman basically like filates in asparagus. It's just sort of 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:22.000 kind of dreamy and sort of like free association, like 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:24.720 all these sort of shape sort of melting into each other. 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:26.680 It's just like, I don't know, it's you kind of 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:28.560 have to just like watch it to understand it. But 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:32.639 it does have that very kind of groovy seventies kind 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:37.400 of zap Comex esque aesthetic and like texture and stuff 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:41.360 to it, So I can't give a better explanation of 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:44.679 it than that. Emily, what do you think of The Irishman? Yeah, 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:47.160 I would definitely recommend watching the short films of Susan 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:51.880 Pitt because they are short shorter than The Irishman. I 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:54.920 saw The Irishman. You are totally immune to the charms 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:58.799 of the Irishman. What charms you were? You were confused. 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:02.040 I wasn't fused, you were like, what did everybody else? 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:05.360 I am confused by the general reception to it, though 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:07.480 I do feel like the more people that see it, 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:12.560 not to besmirche my former fellow critics, but I do 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:14.160 feel like the more I talk to people who are 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:16.720 not critics who have seen it, the more I feel 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:20.640 a little more, uh, you know, backed up in my 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:25.960 kind of antipathy towards this movie. It's just so long, 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:29.200 and it's funny because now it's become such a binary 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:31.680 thing of either you're like pro Scorsese or your like 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:34.000 pro comic book movies. Like there's no one between. It's 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:38.760 like the in between. Yah, he bridged the gap. Well, 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:40.680 he's now, you know, part of the Star Wars universe. 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:43.200 In the Star Wars University. Study's never seen any of 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:46.480 the Star Wars movies, nor any of Jon Favreau's movies. 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:49.640 He intends, same quote that I don't believe him because 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:51.840 he always has the same quote anytime people ask him 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:54.800 about like pop cultural things that are older. He's like, 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:57.240 I grew up in a tiny village in Bavaria, and 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:00.560 I never saw any cultures. That's so funny, Like what 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:03.440 a good troll to say. He says, he never I mean, 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:05.920 he was just doing I don't know her. He claims 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:11.440 music until he was eighteen. Like, I'm pretty sure he 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:13.640 gave me that exact same story when I interviewed him, 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:15.080 Like it's just one of his it's like in his 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:18.000 file of things that he says. But um, anyway, I 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:20.839 believe him that he's never seen Star Wars. Sure, yeah, 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:23.240 but he also didn't even some quote recently where he's like, 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:25.560 we have to pay attention to the Kardashians, like we 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:27.919 must keep our eyes open to like all the horrors 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:31.960 of our culture. Really he's not wrong, though, Yeah, no, totally. 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:34.400 I mean that's I feel like that's our philosophy in general. 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:39.320 Um yeah, no, it's like I even liked like. It's 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:42.200 not that I'm not even a fan of late period Scorsese, 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:44.359 although I wasn't a fan of Wolf of Wall Street. Like. 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:47.280 I actually saw Silence somewhat recently because I didn't think 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:48.600 I was gonna like it, and I watched it and 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:51.479 I was like, it's great. He's a great filmmaker, like, 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:54.880 and he's not my favorite by any stretch of the imagination. 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:57.880 But this just feels like Netflix paid him a bunch 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:00.640 of money to like play all the hits. Um wow, 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:05.599 Silence stand Emily, do not put that on my gravest. 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:10.400 That is not a defining personality trade of mine. But 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:13.719 it was disappointing because it's not like I'm I don't 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:15.320 know I was. I wanted it to be good. I 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:17.480 don't want to ask test now about a movie that 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:21.919 she hasn't actually seen yet but closely monitoring her opinions 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:25.760 on already know a bomb box marriage story. Oh guys, 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:27.960 how did you know I'd have opinions on this? Did 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:30.599 you know? Of course, I haven't seen it. Well, I 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:33.160 put into the universe that it might be a Blue Valentine. 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:37.480 I'm really upset because I re issued my very important 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:42.080 Twitter pool asking if people's relationships had been destroyed by 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:45.640 Blue Valentine. They always lie. I mean, it's like I 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:48.840 know the truth and I people will email me using 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:51.680 anonymous email addresses and tell me like my wife and 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:54.039 I went on our first date to maybe about a 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:58.120 relationship breaking up painfully. I guess what happened next. But 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:02.000 marriage Story, I am concerned it's going to have the 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:05.360 same effect. I'm very concerned that anyone who sees a 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:09.240 marriage story with their partner will immediately break up. Obviously, 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:12.760 don't see marriage story with your but isn't it worse 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:15.080 to see it without in a way, Also, the Cusies 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:19.120 movies like that except married Couples on Date. Well, soon 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:21.120 it's going to be available on Netflix, so you'll just 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:22.800 be able to beam it into your home and ruin 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:25.599 your marriage from the inside. Well, I think the movie 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:29.240 that we all actually want marriage story to be is Greenberg, 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:33.240 which is you know, I've never gotten into Greenberg. Maybe 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:35.080 I was. I was coming at it from a place 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:37.120 in my life right it was inaccessible. I was saying, 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:39.560 like Ben Stiller is a way better stand in for 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:43.960 Noah bomb Bach than Adam Driver. Sure. Yeah, well, now 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:46.800 they both seem too young to be a stand in 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:51.200 for Noah bomb Back, like like Ben Stiller is legitimately 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:53.800 his contemporary, so it makes a little more sense. I 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:56.679 love Greenberg so much I'm gonna give it another whirl. 0:06:57.480 --> 0:07:00.480 I wrote about Greenberg on Tumbler back in the day. 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:04.240 I was like, I am both characters, and isn't that 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:06.680 how everybody who loves it feel? I used it as 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:09.400 a verbal lot to Greenberg. I would say, like, oh, 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:14.480 they got Greenberg nice? Is that mean you'll figure it 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:16.920 out when you watch? But I watched the movie? What 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:19.760 is it mean? I don't know, Like like an older 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:24.280 man was annoying to you, Oh, talk down to you, 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:28.680 And that's that's now what I say to everything. It 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:31.800 always works, um. I saw The Squid in the Whale 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:33.520 when I was on a road trip and we were 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:35.840 rough one for me, see, I loved the Squid in 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:39.680 the Whale. I loved it. But I saw it on 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:43.240 someone's ancient television in like I don't even remember where 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:45.320 we were, might have even been in like a motel 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:48.760 or something, and it was in black and white because 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:51.400 the TV was a black and white TV and I 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:55.320 was like, what a fine film, beautifully shot in black 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:59.120 and white. And I only realized it was not shot 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:04.320 in black and white literally last week. Wow. Really, And 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:06.800 it's so weird when things like that happen, where there's 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:09.960 information that's so obvious and you've seen this, Like, how 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:11.800 did I miss it? How did I miss the list? 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:15.640 That's incredible. I've been living in a bubble. That's like 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:19.000 miss hearing a song lyric times a hundred of all 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:21.680 the movie like he made Francis Hall in black and white? Right, 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:25.920 hated Francis by the way. That's wild. Oh my god. 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:30.040 I also think I may not really take to credit apologies. 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:33.120 I try. I don't know what it is. The cinema 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:36.679 of New York intellectuals is overrepresented. That could be I 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:39.320 don't need any more Woody Allen movies. We also don't 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:42.240 even need the ones we have. Yeah, well see, I 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:46.479 never I was never into Woody Allen to begin with. 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:48.760 But I guess it's just like if we, like I 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:51.240 understand where Scorsese is coming from, if we stopped paying 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:53.480 tribute to these things, they will fade out of the 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:56.800 cultural memory. And that's just like what should probably happen 0:08:57.000 --> 0:08:59.720 with a lot of them. Yeah, but it won't if 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:02.400 people keep going like, we have to make more fake 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:05.120 Scorsese movies and fake Woody Allen movies because that is 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:07.880 what we think is movies are Like, I have a 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:11.400 question that's not related to these things. But Molly had 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:14.480 looked at Live Science, our favorite website, and found an 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:17.920 article asking should we splice human and water bear DNA 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:24.320 for Martian travel? Should answer what would a human water 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:30.119 bear hybrid look like? Water bears look like? Faceless bears? 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:35.040 Kind of? If you really look stretched bears, Look, they 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:37.559 have a bottle face, for sure, they kind of look 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:41.600 like a like a flesh colored centipede. Sure we would 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:45.800 a human and a water bear cross look kind of 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:51.440 like squid? Word? Is that right? So wait? So so 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:55.600 life science is just like posing this question just like, hey, 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:58.400 I think what we we do what is normally done 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:01.559 in science? We see something interesting, let's try it in 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:06.640 mice first. I don't know that splicing mice with water 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:09.400 bears is a good idea because I have mice to 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:13.120 live forever. I mean, it's good for mice. You know, 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:15.400 mice have had it so rough for so long. I 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:18.599 think we owe it to mice to give them immortality, 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:21.240 not their fault that they spread the plague. Like, no, 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:23.600 they didn't make the plague. So I had to really, 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:25.520 I had a snake and I had to feed at 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:28.560 the baby mice. And I still feel so bad about that, 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:30.480 Like I know that the snake would have eaten the 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:33.080 mice in the wild, but when you have to face 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:36.160 it yourself, it's a whole other conundrum. And I have 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:40.679 the breats. What are we talking about splicing water bears 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:46.320 in mice, Emily? Okay, let's take a night call about 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:49.120 a critter of the week, and it's technically a night email, 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:52.440 but there has a new critter that is very cute. 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:55.199 Unlike some of the critters that we've covered on this podcast, 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:58.120 this one is a winner. I I actually really like 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:00.480 this critter. There have been some where every own's like 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:02.160 did you see that? And I'm like, how don't you 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:04.839 know it's it's not it's my atom driver, Like I 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:07.440 don't care, but this one I do care about. So 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:11.520 we have a night email from Colleen writing this from 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:13.600 under the covers as I try to fall back asleep 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:16.360 after being jarred awake from a faulty fire alarm scare 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:19.480 at two am. That's another night call to be had. 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:23.240 Came across this very exciting, scintillating discovery of the silver 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:27.240 backed chevrotaine on camera in Vietnam, a k a. A 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:30.839 mouse dear. They are rabbit sized animals that, despite having 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:34.760 mouse like features, are not rodents. They're hooved and most 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:39.600 importantly they have fangs. And then she includes some links 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:43.560 lastly alive in I think this is so cool and 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:45.600 I will now be kept awake looking at picks of 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:50.920 extinct chevertrain chevro chevrotaine just risk tricky. Has there been 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:55.720 any discussion on extinct animals and species you'd wish to encounter? Colleen? 0:11:56.520 --> 0:12:01.080 Thank you, Colleen. This chevrotaine. It's cute. It's really cute. 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:05.240 It's like a like a more Kauai version of a deer. 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:09.440 It's just like so little and but fangs. I like 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:12.480 the deer with fangs, but where I I can't see 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:14.640 the fangs in the photos which we will link to. 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:20.720 It's very Yeah, it's very fetching. I like its coloration. 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:23.600 It's but I don't like how it looks like. I'm 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:26.200 not a fan of its stance, but I'll let it 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:29.640 fly because I like its ears. It kind of is jackalopus. 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:34.600 It's Tod's jackalopus, little cuter. Do you guys have extinct 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:39.080 animals that you wish were not extinct anymore? That was 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:42.040 what I was going to say. Was so fun. There's 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:43.920 so fun. Imagine if you were just like on a 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:47.760 road trip, you know, and I don't know, the Great Plains, 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:49.640 and you saw a wooly mammoth, just like a wild 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:53.080 hooly mammoth, like that would be very exciting. I would 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:56.160 like those like really giant versions of things that are 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:58.120 now small, Like you know, there was like a beaver 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:01.480 that was as big as right, like that giant sloth. 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:05.000 Beavers are not very friendly. I would be scared to 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:08.360 see a giant beaver. Were you scared during the full 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:10.960 beaver Moon? No? I charged. I was made fun of 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:14.400 actually recently at dinner for charging my crystals and my 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:18.480 tarot card deck under the beaver moon to get more 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:22.640 powers to make rain. You kept saying beaver Moon. I 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:30.840 love that Cristy movie The Beaver Moon. Yeah. My husband 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:32.360 brought it up in front of my parents and I 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:35.439 was like, God, stop there don't think I'm so crazy. 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:37.640 It's like, but I totally I did it, and I 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:40.520 guess I deserve to be called out. Um My powers 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:42.840 are increasing, however, and there's a slight chance of rain 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:45.560 when we were recording this, and there maybe rain next week. 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:48.320 So thank god for the beaver moon. Thank God for 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:50.840 the beaver. Should we take a little ad break, Let's 0:13:50.880 --> 0:14:09.400 do it. Hey everybody, and welcome back to Night Call. 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:12.200 We're gonna talk about something we've been talking about, wanting 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:15.559 to talk about for as long as we've been podcasting 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:19.880 The Sopranos. Tess, why don't you tell our listeners about 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:24.080 your November tradition? Okay, ten years ago I started a tradition, 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:27.040 and I haven't done it every year. I try to, 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:30.520 but sometimes, you know, I'm just doing other stuff, as 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:33.800 one does. But I try to start watching the Sopranos 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:37.880 right before Thanksgiving, sometimes on Thanksgiving from the beginning. In 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:40.480 previous years, I start with the pilot and I worked 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:42.880 my way all the way through and usually I can 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:44.840 usually get it done by New Year's Like, I'm I'm 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:48.440 really committed. But this year I took last year off. 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:50.200 I only dabbled. I didn't watch the whole thing, but 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:52.480 I watched some this year. I decided that I am 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:55.360 going to watch it. Well. At first, I was like, 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:58.800 I might just go with the episodes I remember best 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:01.240 and then go through all of the episodes and kind 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:04.480 of a random order and see how that feels. But 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:07.600 now I think, having watched two of my favorite episodes, 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:12.120 the finale very divisive obviously, and Kennedy and Heidi, I 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:14.640 think I might watch the finale that I just watched 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:19.720 two days ago again and then go backwards through the series. Yeah. 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:23.440 I know, I'm crazy. I respect this. Thank you. If 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:27.400 you learn anything new from that, you should tell us immediately. 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:30.720 That feels like listening to a record back where clocks 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:34.800 will start, like finning in Revers Twin Peaks, Remix. It 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:38.840 is um. It's really interesting when you start from a 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:41.200 strange place in the Sopranos, because it also kind of 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:44.240 reminds you. I first saw the Sopranos um when I 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:46.800 was home. I think I might have been in college 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:50.800 and I was in Connecticut over winter break with my 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:53.240 mom and she was what she had just gotten really 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:55.440 into the Sopranos, and it was like on HBO, and 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:57.800 it was the Tracy episode, which is also one of 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:00.520 my favorite episodes. And I was like, what is this 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:03.280 and I sat down and we just watched it kind 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:05.200 of like even in high school, but anyway, we we 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:08.040 were like watching it in silence, and it was so 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:11.440 awkward because the Tracy episode is like, I mean, they're 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:13.680 all extremely violent, but it was very violent and liked 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:18.720 to watch Tracy. Oh oh yeah, that's like one of 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:21.840 the most horrifying. It's a horrifying episode. But it also 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:26.120 that's the Sopranos for you. That's I think that's that 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:28.040 might have been one of the first TV episodes that 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:30.440 ever made me cry. Oh yeah, that was the I 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:32.760 mean it was so a fact, like it was incredible, 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:35.000 and I think she's actually a yoga teacher. Now the 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:38.000 actors who played Tracy every so happened. I'm like, what's 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:40.880 up with Tracy the actor? Because she's an amazing Actually, 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:43.360 she's so phenomenal. I don't think i'd seen her in 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:47.280 anything else since then. Um, but yeah, Tess, you're really 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:49.960 viewing of the Sopranos made maybe like that's a good idea. 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:52.680 I'm going to copy you. And then I started doing 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:56.040 it too. It's a really great holiday thing. Yeah, and 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:59.200 it's just like I could watch it all the time. Uh, 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:01.760 and now that we're so far away from it in 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:06.320 the oversaturated TV world, but like, so few things are 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:09.520 as good as that. Um, I always say, nothing is 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:11.960 as good, nothing is as good. But it's always weird 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:13.879 to me to be like the first batch of shows 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:16.080 that were prestige shows that I loved, We're all like 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:19.840 not famous people and just really character driven, we're not 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:22.120 super high budget, and now it feels like it's turned 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:24.560 into movies where people are just like whoever spends the 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:27.000 most is going to win, which also isn't proving to 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:29.120 be true. And that's one of the things I'm really 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:32.919 stoked about Elena Smith's show Dickinson doing so well is 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:36.639 that it is a very specific vision by a specific person, 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:39.879 which is also what the Sopranos has going forth. So 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:42.320 you're you guys are going to murder me for saying this, 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:45.240 but like I did watch I actually started watching Sopranos 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:48.080 a couple of months ago, and just like watched about 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:50.000 I think I watched the first season, or maybe I 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:52.600 didn't get through the entire first season, but like one 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:54.520 thing that I was struck by because I haven't watched 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:57.920 it rewatched nearly as much as you guys. But man, 0:17:58.119 --> 0:17:59.879 you don't have to go back too far for this. 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:03.400 But Sopranos is a great example of it. TV shows 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:07.679 that are actually shot on film. There's like a nice 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:10.720 feeling there and you can you can you can taste 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:13.240 the difference. I mean, it's true. It's also like it 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:16.919 makes New Jersey look like the most beautiful in the world, 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:19.359 and New Jersey is beautiful and it's weird. I was 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:21.640 always trying to convince my folks to move to New 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:24.840 Jersey because I was like, it's so cool because you 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:27.120 could just go into New York and then you get 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:30.000 to be in beautiful New Jersey. And they just like 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:32.960 relentlessly made fun of me because they were like, yeah, 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:35.240 you just can't even you can't say that. It's like, 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:38.200 but it is. It's very beautiful in New Jersey. It's 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:40.920 just across the river, but it's a thousand miles away. 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:44.600 It's true. Um, but yeah, we I'm in a force 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:48.000 Emily and Molly to be watching more Sopranos throughout the 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:50.600 next couple of months. Um. But I did want to 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:54.200 recommend if you are just wanting to watch a single episode. 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:57.600 I'm going to make them recommend which ones they love 0:18:57.680 --> 0:19:00.000 the most, But I'm I'm going to stand for Kennedy 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:03.080 and Heidi as one of my favorite episodes. It's the 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:07.040 eighty three I believe episodes. It was in the sixth season. Um, 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:10.119 but it's great for a number of reasons. It's a 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:13.960 lot happens, uh and what happened? I dragged my memory 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:16.200 because it's been a way long time since I watched 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:19.640 a sixth season of The Sopranos. Okay, spoiler alert, go 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:22.520 away if you if you don't know anything about The Sopranos, 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:26.040 go away. It is comfortably numbs is playing in the 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:30.680 car with Tony and Christopher when Kennedy and Heidi are 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:33.480 two teens and they just are in this it's titled 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:36.119 Kennedy and Heidi, but they're just like two teenagers on 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:39.280 their learners permit driving at night, and you see them 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:42.280 for a brief second. They're having a conversation, at which 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:45.840 point Christopher is driving the car. He swerves to avoid them, 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:50.720 the car rolls over, and then something else happens that 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:53.280 I just can't bring myself to spoil. It's such an 0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:56.000 interesting one for you to be like, watch the climactic 0:19:56.080 --> 0:19:58.600 point of the series. Well, I don't know if you should. 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:01.199 If you haven't ever seen in the Sopranos, obviously you 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:03.320 have to start from the pilot and work your way through. 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:05.760 But if you've seen the Sopranos and you want to 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:09.240 like dip back, dip back in, I there's also because 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:13.120 so Paul, you know, Polly's adopted mother has recently passed away. 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:15.840 She's having a dueling funeral with another main character who 0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:17.399 has also died. And I feel like there are no 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:20.159 bad episodes. There are no bad episodes. But also I 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:24.360 think in Kennedy and Heidi, the cat who stares at 0:20:24.720 --> 0:20:27.560 um a picture and miaw is a lot, I think 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:29.840 that that or maybe that's in the finale, but that 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:32.480 was like another one of my favorite elements is like 0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:38.480 the animals who are reincarnations of people who have passed um. Yes, So, anyway, 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:40.800 we are all going to be watching the Sopranos for 0:20:40.840 --> 0:20:42.720 months and months, and you are invited to join. And 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:45.080 if you have thoughts about the Sopranos, give us a 0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:47.480 call at two four oh four six night. I think 0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:49.320 I know which one I'm when I rewatch which one, 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:51.639 which I don't think is a good episode. I picked 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:54.639 a weird up. I did Mr Ruggierro's Neighborhood, which is 0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:57.760 the season three opener, which is like about the FBI 0:20:57.840 --> 0:21:00.960 bugging the house uh as a aiming device, so it's 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:04.320 like only intermittently about any of the main characters. But 0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:07.200 it features one of my favorite moments of the whole show, 0:21:07.480 --> 0:21:10.080 which is Tony singing dirty Work by Steely Dan alone 0:21:10.119 --> 0:21:13.800 in his car. It's just like a ten second getaway. 0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:16.719 That's one of the best parts of the show. And 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:20.880 I watched things around the Sopranos like The Matrix, which 0:21:20.920 --> 0:21:24.280 co stars Joe Pantoliano right of course, and the movie Fallen, 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:29.840 which co stars Uh, James Candalfeni and Aita Tutuo as 0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:32.639 I love Jannis. The other another really good one is 0:21:32.680 --> 0:21:35.399 the Janis under the Boardwalk thing, but well, yeah, I'll 0:21:35.440 --> 0:21:36.960 get into that later. Emily, what were you going to? 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:38.960 Which one were you going to start with? I don't 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:40.960 know the title of the episode off the top of 0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:44.040 my head, but it's the one where Christopher is gonna 0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:48.960 write a movie. Yes, I just remember that. The closing 0:21:48.960 --> 0:21:54.240