1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 2: I'm here with the chairman of C forty Cities, a 3 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 2: group that's very active here in the early days of 4 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:14,239 Speaker 2: this COP thirty summit. Let me start by asking about 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 2: the role of mayors in this conversation. We in the 6 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 2: US know well that the President has expressed more than 7 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 2: skepticism about climate chain. I noticed there you go. What's 8 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 2: the role of mayors here and how do you see 9 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 2: this conversation evolving over the next three weeks. 10 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: Well, there's a huge amount of energy and dynamism and 11 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: hope here in rear because this is also a gathering 12 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: of C forty the world Miss sum It's taking place 13 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: in Rio, and we've got great story to tell about 14 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: how in cities across the globe, including some states in 15 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: the USA, we've been tackling the climate emergency, creating great jobs, 16 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: improving air quality, and showing that we are the doers 17 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: at a time and many national leaders are the delayers 18 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: and the deniers. 19 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 2: It's always a parlor game of how big a Camp 20 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 2: thirty is going to be set the expectations for us 21 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 2: in terms of what we will get out of this 22 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 2: at the end of it. 23 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: Well, I'm hoping that over the next three days, the energy, 24 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: the dynamism, the optimism from mayors leads into from Rio 25 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: to Blem. So the presidents and the prime ministers who 26 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: are coming to blem will see examples of success stories. Yeah, 27 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: by the way, we don't just deliver, we win elections 28 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: again and again and again, and that'll give them a 29 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: sort of encouragement to go much further this year a cop, 30 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: it's really important. Why across the globe you're seeing heat waves, 31 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: you're seeing wildfires, you're seeing flooding, You're seeing people concerned 32 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: about the consequences of this emergency. You're not just in 33 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: the global South like yesteryear, but in the global North, 34 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: in the USA, in the UK, across mainland your brother, 35 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: the public is demanding now much more of our national politicians. 36 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 2: Your message to the British government UK government was this 37 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 2: can't be the Ed Milliban show. It can't just be 38 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 2: the energy secretary talking about climate It has to be 39 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 2: something that labor priority the government takes up in earnest 40 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 2: What is your message to them in full about how 41 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 2: they should be looking at this event and the all 42 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 2: of climate change and in their conversation their policy conversations. 43 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: More broadly, while I'm really pleased and proud, proud, and 44 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: unlike some countries, my national leader is here, and it's 45 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: really will be Ca Starman will be here, the properncy 46 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: will be here. He does not think the climate change 47 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 1: catastrophe is a scam. He does believe the science really important. 48 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: But also it's really important that he's here because it 49 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: sends a message. We take it seriously. What I want 50 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: to do is turn this crisis into an opportunity. But 51 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: also it's going to be a joint endeavor. It should 52 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: be everyone in government. The new homes we need to build, 53 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: they should be energy efficient. They should be building in 54 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: a way that they are cooler in summer, warmer in winter. 55 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: But all's help with people's bilds by being energy efficient. 56 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: I want us to think about what is the future 57 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 1: of work with AI, with automation, with factories closing down. 58 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: I think there are jobs in terms of building the 59 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: wind turbines, building the solar panels, building electric buses, building 60 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: electric cars, installing the charging points. And that's why I 61 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: think this is an opportunity and loot these fossil fuels 62 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: we've used to our benefit. Individually and societies for children years. 63 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: But it's caused real damage to the environment. There are 64 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 1: alternatives now, whether it's solo, whether it's nuclear, whether it's 65 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: a wind, we should be invested in those. 66 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 2: I come from New York where we're hearing an awful 67 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 2: lot about London. It's being charactured and stereotyped in the 68 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 2: context of this mayoral race by the president, by one 69 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 2: of the candidates from mayor as well. It's been portrayed 70 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 2: as a place that's out of control, a lot of crime, 71 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 2: there's a heavy amount of Islamophobia in there as well. 72 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 2: What's your response to that, the way that London is 73 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 2: being used as sort of something held up in the 74 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 2: New York mayor old campaign. 75 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: But first, I've got some friends who are in New York, 76 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: and I think New York is the second greatest city 77 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: in the Well. Look, there's a reason why there are 78 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: some people hate London and hate New York. There's a 79 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: reason why they demonize London and now indeed New York. 80 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: Why Because we are progressive cities, We are liberal cities, 81 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: we are multicultural cities, and were incredibly successful. We are 82 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: the antithesis of nativist, populist commentators and politicians, and I think, listen, 83 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: the fact that in New York you may elect somebody 84 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: who's a Muslim is neither here nor there. It's what 85 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: are his policies, what are his vision? What does you 86 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 1: want to do for the people of New York? And 87 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: I think, listen, it says more about the people criticizing, 88 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: you know, Zora Mundani's ethnicity and faith says more about them, 89 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 1: and you know what they're all about that it says 90 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: about him. 91 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 2: You spoke with him after the Democratic primary, and I 92 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 2: wonder if you could kind of characterize what that conversation 93 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 2: was like. You say, it's neither here nor there that 94 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 2: he could be the first Muslim mayor of New York. 95 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 2: And I'll go with your hierarchy, London to New York, 96 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 2: these two major major cities. What did you tell them 97 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 2: about what that is like? You're the first Muslim mayor 98 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 2: of London, what that means. 99 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 1: Conversations with others are our private conversations. But I'm quite clear, 100 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: when you are from a city like London or New York, 101 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: I think the greatest honor and the greatest privilege is 102 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: to be the leader of that city. I've had many 103 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: great jobs in my life that I've thoroughly enjoyed. There 104 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: is no greater job than being the mayor of your city. 105 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: I've seen from Afar the campaign that Zora Mundani has run. 106 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: He appears to be having fun, he appears to be connecting. 107 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: He's doing something that I know a lot about, which 108 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: is reaching parts of your city that are undiscernd, reaching 109 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: people that hitherto feel as if politics isn't for you. 110 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 1: Understand that actually, you know, sometimes cities aren't fair. Sometimes 111 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: in a city you've got two separate tales taking place. 112 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: And what's important is for you to be authentic, and 113 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: whether you're in New York or London or other parts 114 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: of the globe, is to be true to yourself. That 115 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward seeing the results in the next couple days, 116 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: actually see what. 117 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 2: Happens with your mayorality. And perhaps there is an element 118 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 2: of being the mayor of London or in New York 119 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 2: that is a global responsibility. You're here in Brazil. How 120 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 2: much of that is a surprise to you, and which 121 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 2: do you think about the role of London on the 122 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 2: global stage. 123 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 1: But the reality is when you are from a global city, 124 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: when you are a leader of that global city. Your 125 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: audience really importantly are your constituents, but also it's the 126 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: globe because the world's eyes are on London. The world's 127 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 1: eyes indeed are on New York. That is a huge privilege, 128 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: but it comes with a huge responsibility. So I've never 129 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: campaigned to be a Muslim mayor. I don't use those 130 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: sort of words. I have a mayor Muslim, but I 131 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: recognize and this is just a fact of life. There 132 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: are some people who may not a better Muslim. There 133 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: are some people who only see things in movies or 134 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: when they're here from presidents, and I want to address 135 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: some of the fairs people have. Sometimes because I have 136 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: a Muslim, I recognize sometimes people prejudge what it means 137 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,799 Speaker 1: to be a Muslim, so not by choice, but almost 138 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: by duty. Sometimes I sometimes use my role to explain 139 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 1: we aren't the boogeyman. We are just like you. We 140 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: were the same ambitions and aspirations as you. I'd never 141 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: asked for that responsibility, but I recognize as the leader 142 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: of a great city, as a proud brit a proud Englishman, 143 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: a proud Londoner, but also a proud Muslim, I'm more 144 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: than happy to talk about my faith and what it means, 145 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: and I'm sure you'll see if Zara mam Nani does win, 146 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: mum Donah doing the same, not because he necessarily wants to, 147 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: but because he recognizes that our religion has been demonized. 148 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: I think we both would recognize that actually a small 149 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: minority of people who claim to follow our religion off 150 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: and some bad stuff that doesn't represent the more than 151 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: two billion people on this planet who are Muslims. 152 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 2: Last question, kind of playing off of this in New 153 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 2: York in this campaign, there is a lot of warning 154 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 2: from a lot of wealthier New Yorker is saying that 155 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 2: people will leave the city where he'd win if the 156 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 2: city were to get too progressive as they see, and 157 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 2: we had Nigel Farajishween the same warning in London today 158 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 2: that there is a chance that people who are of 159 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 2: means in London might have left to lead if we 160 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 2: go farther to the left. There. Your response to that 161 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 2: warning or that proposed trend. 162 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: Well, firstly, I've got no idea whether that is the case, 163 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: whether that or will happen. If that is the case, 164 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: come to London. I'm going to run at the red 165 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: carpet and welcome you to London. I think the reality 166 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: is New York's a great city. I hope ne York 167 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: continues to flourish and thrive. Of course, like London, we 168 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: have challenges, but the joy of being the marriage you 169 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: work with everyone across your city. I campaigned to be 170 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: a mayor for all Londoners. Yes, I campaign for those 171 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: who live in deprived communities, those who desperately need social housing, 172 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: those who are facing the consequences of cost of live 173 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: in crisis. But also recognizing that I, as a politician, 174 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: don't create the wealth. I don't create the jobs. But 175 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: working with the private sector, working with all Londoners, you 176 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: can do a great job.