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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williams show

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: From back, I'm Dale, Allie is Matt Williams Sidney. This

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Speaker 2: is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio. And well, Matt

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Speaker 2: to talk a little bit about an article the Pro

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Speaker 2: Football Focus put out on the three players to build

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Speaker 2: around for every AFC team. Uh, this one was written by.

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Speaker 1: What doesn't say?

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Speaker 2: It doesn't say it just says three players to build

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Speaker 2: around for each It was interesting though, And let's start

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Speaker 2: with the Steelers since this is Steelers, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 2: for the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: Rad Spielberger wrote this one.

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Speaker 2: There you go.

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Speaker 1: Okay, he's a big time cap guy, really looks to

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Speaker 1: the future. Just did an article about what teams are

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Speaker 1: in the best financial shape for the next three years.

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Speaker 1: So I'm warming up his work. He's good.

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Speaker 2: So the three players that he chose for the Steelers

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Speaker 2: to build around for the future. TJ. Watt, Minka Fitzpatrick

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Speaker 2: and Deontay Johnson.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, didn't we have a segments Monday or Friday about Hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: Deontay's good. Yes, we did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was That was last week. I

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Speaker 2: am interested in that he didn't put Kenny Pickett on

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Speaker 2: that list. I don't have a problem with Deontay john

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Speaker 2: I don't have a problem with any of those three guys.

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Speaker 2: This guy used to build around, right, you know, I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Cam Hayward doesn't count because he's thirty four years old.

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Speaker 2: But you know, Deontay Johnson. Here's the thing, and I

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Speaker 2: guarantee people will look at that. Why Deontay Johnson. He's good,

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Speaker 2: as he says here, Deontae Johnson still deals with the

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Speaker 2: occasional drop, but they're more than negated by his acrobatic

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Speaker 2: snags and how consistently he creates separation in the intermediate

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Speaker 2: areas of the field. Johnson's forty two misstackles force over

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Speaker 2: the past three seasons ranked sixth among wide receivers, and

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Speaker 2: he'll continue to feast as patri Firemouth and George Pickens

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Speaker 2: developing this offense with quarterback Kenny Pickett.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I cut and pasted that misstackle stat. Like,

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Speaker 1: to me, that was the biggest takeaway from this, you know,

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Speaker 1: like this, the fact that Deonte's one of the three

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Speaker 1: is noteworthy, but that mistackle stat. Everyone's killing him for

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Speaker 1: all he does are run backwards and doesn't isn't good

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Speaker 1: after the case, that's why, well yeah, right or right.

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Speaker 2: Because you know it does work. I mean, you know

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Speaker 2: when you're an offense. Here's the thing with that. So

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Speaker 2: the Steelers offense lacked in big playability last year. They

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Speaker 2: did they didn't get the ball, They didn't connect a

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Speaker 2: lot on the downfield passing. So what's the other way

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Speaker 2: to create plays in the passing game? Have somebody make

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Speaker 2: a guy miss. And you know, Deontay Johnson's their best

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Speaker 2: guy at doing that, That is what my point was,

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Speaker 2: one of the best guys in the league at doing that.

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Speaker 1: He's hard to get on the ground with the ball

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Speaker 1: in his hands. He's hard to tackle. Now, there's times

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Speaker 1: where he caught the football, went behind the sticks and

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Speaker 1: tried to make something happen, and probably it wasn't wise.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't wise. But last year is the first time

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Speaker 1: I've seen him go backwards, to try to go forward

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Speaker 1: with any sort of consistency.

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Speaker 2: It leads me to believe that maybe they told him

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Speaker 1: And I think it all stems from competitiveness too, Like

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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to make play, you know, Yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: I'm afraid or anything like that, or you know, I'm bonehead,

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Speaker 1: or you know, anything like that. Again, he demands targets.

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Speaker 1: He's good after the catch, contrary to popular belief. But

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Speaker 1: mentioned Friar Muth and Pickens. Like, there's so many young options.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that Deontay is going to get a

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Speaker 2: You know, I will say this, It's going to be

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Speaker 2: tough to displace the other two guys on the list exactly.

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Speaker 1: That's what last segment we talked about making the best

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was number four on the edge rusher's list.

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Speaker 1: Right, Deontay one was probably tough.

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Speaker 2: For the Baltimore Ravens, the trio was Lamar Jackson, Mark Andrews,

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Speaker 1: I can't come up with anybody else. I mean a

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like those edge guys can't

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Speaker 2: It's an interesting It's an interesting build though, when when

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Speaker 2: you're tight end who doesn't block anybody is one of

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Speaker 1: They're really a top heavy team. They need to draft better.

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Speaker 1: They haven't had an early pick in one hundred years.

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Speaker 1: They put a lot into these defensive linemen, including Rousseau.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, if I'm T Higgins, I'm like, hey,

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Speaker 2: I'm a twenty million dollar year receiver. If not more. Oh,

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Speaker 2: For the Cleveland Browns, this one's a little troubling that

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Speaker 1: There's a noticeable absence here.

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Speaker 2: It's Miles Garrett, Denzel Ward and Amari Cooper.

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Speaker 1: What about the quarterback that you gave the whole franchise for.

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Speaker 2: a must for this team to ascend into a loaded

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know they are an analytics site, so

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Speaker 2: Really bad. Yeah, So the Denver Broncos, the trio is

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Speaker 2: That's not a good that's not a good trio.

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Speaker 1: Who else would you pick those?

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, it's not any the other receivers. It's

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Speaker 1: If you put Will Anderson on, how do you not

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Speaker 1: He's a sixty five million dollar cap hit, you know,

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Speaker 2: No, there's there's not. And DeVante Adams is older and

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Speaker 2: For the Chargers, it's justin Herbert, Joey Bosa and Rashaun Slater.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, they do have some other guys. You could

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Speaker 1: Weird team, Matthew.

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Speaker 1: So it's a rookie, yeah, a.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, hey, we let Christian Zolz come out

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Speaker 2: There are quarterbacks who were taking ahead of him who

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Speaker 1: Right right, all right? I mean like putting the rookie

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Speaker 1: You know they're not going to put Ramandre Stevenson on there.

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Speaker 2: Were the Jets? I like this group, Quinn and Williams,

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Speaker 2: And then be because you've got all these good, young,

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Speaker 1: There they do, they do, I mean, and you have

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Speaker 2: Well, you have to pick up after next year you

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Speaker 1: I can think they won't have a second round pick

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Speaker 1: Rogert Jones had no chance to make Steelers list, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean Berkeley Burch might be on my fancy team.

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Speaker 2: Got, all they've got need to be on this list.

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Speaker 2: It gives you an idea of Worsham teams. You're at

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Speaker 1: No, and we all want pat Mahomes. I mean, if

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Speaker 2: You know. Right now, they're kind of like the Rolling

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Speaker 1: I mean, if anyone is, it's him. But I almost

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: It really is. It's not all that different. Let's talk

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