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Speaker 2: Reverence, and occasionally random. The Sunday Hang with playing podcast

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Speaker 2: starts now.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to play this. There is a new show

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Speaker 1: it is called let Me make Sure I get this right.

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Speaker 1: Landman about the oil industry and Billy Bob Thornton plays

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Speaker 1: a Texas oil land sort of organizer for lack of

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Speaker 1: issues that might arise on an oil field from a

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Speaker 1: variety of perspectives. And he had a monologue that has

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Speaker 1: gone viral that I think many of you, particularly those

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Speaker 1: of you in Texas or other states that work in

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Speaker 1: the oil industry, will deeply appreciate. But also anyone out

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Speaker 1: its mind and that many of the things they are

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Speaker 1: telling everyone we should be doing are actually nonsensical and

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Speaker 1: lead to more need for fossil fuels. Listen to this

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Speaker 1: Billy Bob Thorton on Land Man. It's gone viral. I

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Speaker 3: Here it is we have one hundred and twenty year

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Speaker 3: petroleum based infrastructure. Our whole lives depend on it. And hell,

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Speaker 3: it's in everything that road we came in on the wheels,

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Speaker 3: on ever car ever made, including yours, sentennis, rackets and lipstick,

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Speaker 3: not made with animal or plant fibers, soap, hand lotion,

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Speaker 3: garbage bags, fishing boats, you name it, every fucking thing.

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Speaker 1: And you know what the kicker is.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna run out of it before we find its replacement.

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Speaker 4: It's the thing that's gonna kill us all as a species.

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Speaker 3: All the thing's gonna kill us all is running out

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Speaker 3: before we find an alternative.

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Speaker 1: All Right, we might have accidentally had an f bomb

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Speaker 1: that just went out. Okay, we dumped it, so you

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Speaker 1: clayanbuck dot com. But maybe for the holiday, as you

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Speaker 1: concerned about climate change and what's gonna happen. Well, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna be fine and maybe think about having kids. That

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Speaker 1: would be my advice to everybody. But that clip is fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Encourage you guys. Check it out. We'll post it up

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Speaker 1: at clayanbuck dot com. Again. From the television show Landman,

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Speaker 1: and that's Billy Bob Thornton, great actor, by the way,

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Speaker 1: in playing the lead role in that. It's by the

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Speaker 1: same guy who does Yellowstone. Taylor share It and he's

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Speaker 1: got a bunch of shows out right now. But if

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Speaker 1: you like Yellowstone, you may like that one. I haven't

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Speaker 1: watched in full episode yet, but I did love that clip.

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Speaker 2: Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck.

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Speaker 1: Joel Klatt joins us now Fox lead college football analysts.

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Speaker 1: Do you think there's actually a best of version of

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Speaker 1: this show or based on my past history, do you

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Speaker 1: question whether there's any good radio I've ever done?

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Speaker 4: Joel, Well, as long as there's like significant amount of Buck,

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Speaker 4: I'm sure you sprinkled in something along the lines, like

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Speaker 4: some sort of quip or joke, but Buck wouldn't likely

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Speaker 1: Best of Yes, I appreciate you being such a fan

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Speaker 1: you are. I don't know if you're still in California.

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Speaker 4: Where we get started on college football. Can I just

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Speaker 4: give your audience, which is, by the way, significant, So

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Speaker 1: The largest anywhere in radio humbly, Yes, but yes, what

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Speaker 4: You can't say, oh, largest ever and then humbly, But

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Speaker 4: I know your personality, so I get it. So do

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Speaker 4: you want to talk about, like eleven years ago, the

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Speaker 4: conversation that you and I had in the battle room

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Speaker 1: Yes, you tell the people because I've talked about my

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Speaker 1: political evolution, but you and I for people who don't know,

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Speaker 1: Joel is and I hate to give him a compliment,

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Speaker 1: fans because Joel Buck had never been to a college

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Speaker 4: So we would argue about college football, and then all

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Speaker 4: You were like, oh, yeah, I'm a Democrat. And then

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Speaker 1: I mean, in all honesty. In twenty thirteen, when you

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Speaker 1: dive into this with you, because I don't think we

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Speaker 4: this because Clay, You're one of them. Those Sea fans

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Speaker 1: No doubt. Joel, have fun, Tell your family Happy Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 4: Always great to chat with you. Proud of you, man.

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Speaker 1: by Charlie Kirk turning Point USA and the final numbers

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Speaker 1: from Arizona just came out. Trump is going to win

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Speaker 1: What's the first thing you wanted to talk about?

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Speaker 4: Oh, college football. That's the only thing I want to

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Speaker 1: All right, So I have told Buck for some time,

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Speaker 4: I'd say I think it's because they want to be

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Speaker 4: let's just say, the common sense of the American people.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, the work you did was tremendously important. And

435
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Speaker 1: I actually think, and I don't know if you're picking

436
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Speaker 1: up on this, but I've got a sixteen or fourteen

437
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Speaker 1: and a ten year old. I think the generation that

438
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,439
Speaker 1: hasn't even voted yet is going to be more anti

439
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 1: woke than even the people that have started voting already correct.

440
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Speaker 4: And the left is showing almost no course correction and

441
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 4: almost no remorse. I mean, there's a some elements of that,

442
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 4: but the more they lean into this, the more that

443
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 4: they continue to be part of the more radical portions

444
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 4: of their party, just opens up a great opportunity for us.

445
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 4: I am seeing that Clay big time. I think that

446
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 4: gen Z and whatever after them Jen Alpha is going

447
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 4: to be some of the most conservative generations history. And

448
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 4: who would have thought it right. We were told that

449
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 4: the young people are all Marxists and there's only going

450
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,640
Speaker 4: to be you know, let's say, radical things to come.

451
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 4: But President Trump won the youth vote in Michigan, nearly

452
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 4: won at Wisconsin, nearly won it in Pennsylvania, and that

453
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 4: was one of the key ingredients to his victory.

454
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Speaker 1: I know you're busy. I appreciate you coming on. Last

455
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 1: question for you. If somebody's never been to an Oregon

456
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 1: Ducks game, what are they missing?

457
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you what. I got trolled online because

458
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 4: I wore earplux at Austin Stadium. Be ready to lose

459
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 4: your hearing. I could not hear for days after, even

460
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 4: with the earplugs, and I'll tell you it's like one

461
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:37,880
Speaker 4: hundred and thirty five decibels.

462
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Speaker 5: I don't want to.

463
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Speaker 4: Make any predictions, but I think Oregon's going to do

464
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 4: very very well against Washington this weekend. Go twelve and zero.

465
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Speaker 4: That is going to be a trench fight in Indianapolis

466
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Speaker 4: against Ohio State. I don't know, I think Ohio State

467
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 4: might take this one and then we'll see him again

468
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Speaker 4: in the playoff. I could make a really good argument, though,

469
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Speaker 4: based on the current KINGSVIC configuration. I'm sure you broke

470
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,439
Speaker 4: this down, Clay, being the one seat is actually not

471
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Speaker 4: the best thing based on the cur way the bracket

472
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 4: is forming, where you actually might get a better placement

473
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Speaker 4: to be a four or five seed, host a home

474
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 4: game at home, a five seed, you know, host at Austin,

475
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,120
Speaker 4: get some momentum heading into the ball series in late December.

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Speaker 1: You just hit on it. I think having the five

477
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: seed in the college football playoffs is the best spot.

478
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 1: By the way, potentially Boise State getting the four two

479
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: so you get a home game then you would. Yeah,

480
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: Oregon already beat him. Good luck to the Ducks, not

481
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: too much luck if they play My University of Tennessee volunteers, Charlie,

482
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: really appreciate the work. Keep up all the outstanding stuff

483
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: you guys are doing with turning Point.

484
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Speaker 4: Great to see it. Thanks Clay, talk to Yeah.

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Speaker 1: He is, by the way, I think, incredibly important in

486
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Speaker 1: terms of what I am seeing as a cultural realignment.

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00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 1: I think this show has been very helpful for that

488
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 1: because I think Buck and I can speak to a

489
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 1: younger generation. We're not super old relative to media. I

490
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Speaker 1: think OutKick has, I think Joe Rogan has. I think

491
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: he mentioned THEO Vaughn. I think there are a lot

492
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Speaker 1: of different outlets that speak to a predominantly male audience

493
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: that are seeing the profound disconnect that exists for these

494
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Speaker 1: young guys. And I mentioned this, but I do think

495
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: it's important. You know, Target stock dropped twenty one percent

496
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: the other day. I don't know how many of you

497
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Speaker 1: saw that after Target missed its earnings. I think a

498
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: lot of moms and dads when they had the Tuck

499
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Speaker 1: bathing suits and they were like, hey, we want your

500
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: young kids pretending to be different genders. And you're saying,

501
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: I just want to go to Target and get a

502
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: good value on the products that I need from my home.

503
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: I think a lot of you turned away from Target.

504
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: And I don't know how many of you saw, but

505
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: Walmart officially announced they're done with DEI I don't shop much.

506
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: This is not going to shock you. For those of

507
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: you who see the clothes that I wear. Basically I

508
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: go to Costco. Otherwise I buy almost nothing. I don't

509
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: think I talked about this. I went with my wife

510
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: because we had to buy chairs to go sit and

511
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: watch our sons on the sideline of games, and we

512
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 1: needed new chairs, and so I went with her to Walmart. Recently,

513
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: I walked in that place and I felt like I

514
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: was like an immigrant who didn't realize how amazing America was.

515
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of times people who moved from

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00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 1: foreign countries. I remember one of my buddies said that

517
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: his dad had come from India, and I got two

518
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 1: good stories about this. Dad came from India, where almost

519
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: no one had a television, and he walked into an

520
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: electronics store in America, and the fact that you could

521
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 1: just walk in and have a normal job and buy

522
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: a television blew his mind. Really, there is a value.

523
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 1: I've argued this for years. If we made every high

524
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: school graduate in America, certainly every college graduate, but if

525
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 1: we made every high school graduate in America have to

526
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: go overseas and live in a poor country for a year,

527
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 1: you would kiss the ground when you got off the

528
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: airplane to come back here. Because so many of the

529
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: people who denigrate America have no idea what the rest

530
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: of the world is like and how incredibly thankful we

531
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: all should be in this week, of all weeks, that

532
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: we get to live in America, But that bank of

533
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 1: televisions that was for an immigrant population could not believe

534
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 1: just how sheer amount of wealth that existed here. The

535
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 1: other one was I've got a friend recently and he's

536
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 1: talking about his dad coming here and his dad being

537
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: upset that people were taking ubers everywhere, and he told

538
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: me his dad went off on him recently. He's like,

539
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: you know, we couldn't afford cars, and now you kids

540
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: are so spoiled that you're like, oh, I don't want

541
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: to have to drive my car and it's going to

542
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: be hard to find a parking place for my car.

543
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: And I want to be able to go out to

544
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: the bar or go out to dinner and just get

545
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: dropped off right in front, and I'm gonna pay somebody

546
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: to do that. Is like, Americans are so spoiled that

547
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: we won't even drive our cars anymore because it's too

548
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: difficult to have to park them when we can get

549
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: dropped off directly in front of the place that we're

550
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: gonna go. And I just thought both of those stories

551
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: were really interesting, and it tied in with somebody's got

552
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: to see the world through somebody else's perspective and try

553
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: to do your best to think about the larger landscape

554
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: of America. It's three hundred and thirty million people here.

555
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: What have we got seven eight billion people in the world.

556
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: Everybody's got different perspectives. I told this story. My ten

557
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: year old walked into Target. This is like four years ago,

558
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: so he's fourteen now. But he wanted to get I

559
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: think we were getting football cards. Loves to get football cards.

560
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: Walked in the whole front of Target where we live

561
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: in Franklin, Tennessee. It's not exactly you know, left wing America.

562
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: Williamson County, Tennessee. Where I live, very dark red area.

563
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: Whole front of Target in front England, Tennessee is all

564
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: girl Power shirts. And he walked in to me. I

565
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: don't even notice that stuff because I'm so used to it.

566
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: But he walked in and he said, Dad, they would

567
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: never sell boy Power shirts. And I thought to myself,

568
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's really interesting. Now if you're young. We

569
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: were just talking to Charlie Kirk about this. If you're

570
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: a young man, or if you are raising young men

571
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: like I am, they basically have been taught for their

572
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: whole lives that they're the reason why everything in America

573
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: is not perfect. And it's not just white men, not

574
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: just white boys. It's now expanded Asian, Hispanic, black, white

575
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: young kids out there. Boys are being told, hey, you're

576
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: toxic because you're masculine, and they're rebelling against it because

577
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: they don't believe it and they know they're being lied to.

578
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: And you know who also is rebelling again, A lot

579
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: of you moms out there who are raising boys like

580
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: you don't want weak men, You don't want to raise

581
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: poor husbands like It's an insult to you too, which

582
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: is why the most successful ad that was run during

583
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: the presidential campaign was the they Them. If you watch football,

584
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: you saw this ad all the time. Kamalas for they them.

585
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: Trump is for us, Trump is for you. Trump is

586
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: for you was the lie. You know who wrote that ad.

587
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: I know him because he's one of my buddies from school.

588
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: A Ukrainian immigrant wrote that ad for Trump. He came

589
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: from Ukraine, saw that and said, that speaks to the

590
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: audience out there. Do you know who that audience spoke to?

591
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: That ad spoke to the best fascinating Hispanic men, black men,

592
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: white moms in the suburbs all tested off the charts

593
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: on that ad. Think about that, Black men, Hispanic men,

594
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: white moms in the suburbs. They were all like, uh huh,

595
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: this is bs. It's a real thing. This tide is

596
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,719
Speaker 1: only going to grow. I really do believe.

597
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 2: Sunday Drop with Clay and Buck.

598
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: We are joined now by a guy who I've watched

599
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: for years. He is former Georgia and NFL football star

600
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: David Pollock. He has got a brand new book out.

601
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: I appreciate him coming on with us right now. And

602
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: I'm curious. You played college football and you played in

603
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: the NFL. David, what's your take on the Trump dance

604
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: that you are seeing athletes everywhere but particular high school,

605
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: college and NFL players break out? What does it represent?

606
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: Does it mean anything to you?

607
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 5: It's fantastic, That's number one. I literally looked over Clay

608
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 5: in the kitchen yesterday and my son was doing it,

609
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 5: my son's and he was sitting there in the kitchen

610
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 5: and he was just rocking back and forth, and I

611
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 5: just started laughing. But now I think it's you know, listen,

612
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 5: players absolutely know what's going on. It's not by accident.

613
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 5: Players don't do things just by accident, don't do things

614
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 5: that they've seen as they don't know what it means,

615
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 5: especially nowadays now some of us big dumb animals from

616
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 5: back in the day, we might have done that, but

617
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 5: now you know, whatever you do is looked at and

618
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 5: you obviously going to be reposted all over the place.

619
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 5: So obviously there is one hundred percent a support message

620
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 5: there and a funny message, and I think it's pretty

621
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 5: cool by the guys that are doing it.

622
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: Do you ever think about what your life would have

623
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: been like, or what your teammate's life would have been

624
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: like if social media as it exists today had existed

625
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: when you were on the University of Georgia's campus.

626
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, I have thought about it, and I'm like, man,

627
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 5: that would have been miserable. Yeah, because you know, as

628
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 5: an athlete, you just try, you know, so hard to

629
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 5: kind of get away from things sometimes and you know,

630
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 5: the camera phone to pandemics art, you know, kind of

631
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 5: in that time for us, and you're like, holy cow,

632
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 5: and so then you have the video phones and now

633
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 5: social and I just think, you know, these players, man,

634
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 5: it's hard for them to find places to get away,

635
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 5: you know, from all the drama, all the talking about

636
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 5: the same sport over and over again, and so I

637
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,439
Speaker 5: understand the frustration. I think it would have been it'd

638
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 5: have been interesting how I handled it. I know it

639
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 5: would have been a train wreck. It would have been

640
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 5: an absolute train wreck, because what you don't know is

641
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 5: what you don't know. And I think some of the

642
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 5: kids you see that they're starting to grow up with this,

643
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 5: and I think that matters, like that's a big deal,

644
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 5: Like they've kind of been coached and know I'm a

645
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 5: high school football coach, Like I'm trying to tell these kids,

646
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 5: like you can't put something on there that if you

647
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 5: expect this not to live there, like it's gonna live forever.

648
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 5: I remember being at the draft a couple of years ago,

649
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 5: with not a couple of years I'm getting old, but

650
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,720
Speaker 5: like several years ago with Josh Allen and his tweet

651
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 5: pops up the day before the draft, and nobody's talked

652
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 5: about that in years, right, But it's something he's sent

653
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 5: out and I think he was like fifteen years old.

654
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 5: And everything you know will stick with you, and so

655
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,280
Speaker 5: they're definitely under those lessons.

656
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: You've got a new book out that Won't Quit. Kid,

657
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: you just mentioned that you're coaching high school football. Why so,

658
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: I got a bunch of things that I want to

659
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 1: dive into here with you. But you're younger than me.

660
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: But you were just talking about your son. I've got

661
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: three boys. A big part of the storyline of the

662
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: Trump election and we were just talking about the Trump

663
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: dance is young men, and I'm sure you see it.

664
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: Coaching them in high school football just feel profoundly alienated

665
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: from larger society. They're not graduating at the same levels

666
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: as women. They're not having the same levels of success.

667
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: Why do you think so many young men boys really

668
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: are struggling?

669
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I think you know boys in their

670
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 5: identity and who they are, and obviously the maturity level,

671
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 5: Like we've talked about this for a long time, the

672
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 5: maturity level of boys, it takes a little bit longer.

673
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 5: I mean, we don't quite grow up as fast as girls.

674
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 5: And I think you see that. But I think you

675
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 5: see a lot too. Like I'm around a bunch of

676
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 5: these kids, man, Like a lot of them they say

677
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 5: college No, I mean absolutely not, Like I want to

678
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,399
Speaker 5: go start making money and learn on the job while

679
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 5: I'm learning a trade, and so you know, I think

680
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 5: you see a lot of that too. A lot of

681
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 5: kids now instead of you know, feeling like back in

682
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 5: the day, we felt like we had to go get education,

683
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 5: like that was the next step, that was a necessary

684
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 5: step that your parents told you you needed to take.

685
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 5: And now I think that you're seeing business can be

686
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 5: run one hundred million percent without a degree. And it's

687
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 5: hard to keep them focused because a lot of them

688
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 5: like care about sports and that's about it, and you're like, well,

689
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 5: you know, school comes with sports. If you want to

690
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 5: play sports long term, you got to do your school work.

691
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 5: So I think the ability to go make a living

692
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 5: pretty quickly out of high school and be very successful

693
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 5: without a degree is open to them. Now.

694
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: You mentioned how many kids, and I think it's huge.

695
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: It's why I thought so hard for schools not to

696
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,720
Speaker 1: shut down boys in particular, but also a lot of girls.

697
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: But let's talk boys here for a sec A lot

698
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: of sports I always tell my kids, and I try

699
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 1: to tell I've coached youth league now for a lot

700
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: of those kids. A lot of my kids and other

701
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: kids try to teach them, hey, use the ball, don't

702
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: let the ball use you. And that's an important message

703
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: because a lot of guys out there, especially the more

704
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 1: talented they are, can get used up by the system

705
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: and not be able to get the benefit of their

706
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 1: athletic talent when they just focus on athletics. How much

707
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 1: of that have you've seen and how do you try

708
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: to talk to your guys. You had tremendous success, You're

709
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: an All American College Football Hall of Famer, went on

710
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: first round draft pick, played for the Cincinnati Bengals. Football

711
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,720
Speaker 1: has been a lot to you, But for most kids,

712
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: that's not the pathway they're going to have. How do

713
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: you teach them that sports is a path to future

714
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: life success? Not for most of them, what future life

715
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: success is actually going to look like.

716
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 5: I mean, that's the whole point of Like, sport is

717
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 5: the greatest teacher. Like I me and my wife all

718
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 5: the time talk growing up with our kids, how do

719
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 5: we create adversity, how do we make it a little

720
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 5: bit harder for him? We live in a great neighborhood,

721
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 5: we live in a great county. They don't struggle, and

722
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 5: so I think that's why I think sport is so important,

723
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,399
Speaker 5: because these kids can struggle at something they can win,

724
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 5: they can lose. They can lose because of a teammate,

725
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 5: they can lose because of them, Like they can try

726
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 5: their harders and just not be good enough. Like these

727
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 5: are all lessons that we need in life, right, Like

728
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 5: we've got to face the facts at some point that

729
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 5: life is gonna be hard, Like life is gonna hit

730
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 5: us in the mouth sometimes, and it's gonna win, and

731
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 5: they're gonna be circumstances we can't control. Last time, at

732
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 5: the dinner table with my son, we're sitting there talking,

733
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 5: He's like, everybody uses chat GBT for their tests, and

734
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 5: we got a sub for the next couple of weeks,

735
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 5: and they just keep they just keep using it for

736
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 5: their tests and they're getting you know, ninety fives or hundreds,

737
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 5: and like I'm I'm not cheating it. I'm getting an

738
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 5: eighty five. And we're like, okay, well what do you

739
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 5: think about that. I'm like, well, I'd love to get

740
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 5: chat DBT on my phone. And I'm like no, no, no, no,

741
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 5: that's not the lesson we're trying to learn, buddy. He's like,

742
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 5: we're trying to teach you you got to do what's right,

743
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 5: you know, and and accept those things that you will

744
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 5: always get ahead if you do the things that are right.

745
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 5: So I think sports will show you like you're not

746
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 5: always going to be the best just because you work

747
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 5: the hardest or because you tried real hard. I think

748
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 5: you know we're teaching I always want to teach my

749
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 5: kids like you control your attitude and your effort, Like

750
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 5: that's it. Like we can't control whether we win, we

751
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 5: can't control whether we lose, but we can't control if

752
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 5: we're going to be a great teammate and try as

753
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,919
Speaker 5: hard as we can and have a lot of joy

754
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 5: while doing it. And that's what I see, Clay, that

755
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 5: really drives me nuts. Across the country, some of these coaches, man,

756
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 5: they rip the joy out of youth league sports. Like

757
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 5: these kids are quitting at a higher rate because it's

758
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 5: been it hasn't been a kid's game for a while.

759
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 5: They've been playing a game that's been super hard since

760
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 5: middle school, and they've been so demanding and making them

761
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 5: do this and making them run all over the place

762
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,959
Speaker 5: and take take car trips all over the place. When

763
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 5: I think, if we can keep it fun and work

764
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 5: as hard as you can and have a good attitude,

765
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 5: like I think we'd have a lot more success with it.

766
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 1: I think that's important. We got a lot of dads

767
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: and moms out there that are driving all over the

768
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 1: place because their kids are in club sports, whatever that

769
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: sport may be, and sometimes that can burn out not

770
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: only the kid, but also the parent because it's a

771
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: lot of work to be going all over the place

772
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: instead of playing in your neighborhood little league game. Suddenly

773
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: you're traveling all over the state. Some people are going

774
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: all over the country. What do you think's ideal. You're

775
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: a pro athlete. How are you raising your own kids

776
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 1: when it comes to competing and playing sports.

777
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 5: Well, one thing that I've seen is it really doesn't

778
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 5: matter what team you're on. Like I didn't have a

779
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 5: personal trainers, Like I didn't have a personal weightlifting coach.

780
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 5: I ride my bike around the neighborhood. God gave me

781
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 5: a big legs and big butt and a tenacity and

782
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 5: a want to do great and so like that was

783
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 5: the reason I went there. Like I'm with so many parents.

784
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 5: I was with one this morning and he's talking about scheduling.

785
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 5: They've got to go here and they've got to go there.

786
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,240
Speaker 5: I'm like, you don't have to be on that team,

787
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 5: like pick a team that fits your family schedule in

788
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 5: what you want, Like churches are non negotiable in our household,

789
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 5: Like we're going to go to church, So we're not

790
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 5: going to travel all over God's Green Earth and mix

791
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 5: church because I want to show my kids that church

792
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 5: is more important. Sport, that is more important than sport.

793
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 5: And so for us, we found that we find a

794
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 5: lot of local tournaments. Are they as good, absolutely not.

795
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 5: But what we did was we just played up a

796
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 5: little bit, like if we wanted more competition, we played

797
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 5: up a couple grade levels and it wasn't elite, but

798
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 5: we got beat and we played better competition. And you know,

799
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 5: my son and daughter are getting older now and play.

800
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 5: There's plenty of things that I did wrong that I

801
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 5: would love to do better. That's part of the reason

802
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 5: why I wrote the book. But I think one of

803
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 5: the things we did really well was we don't have

804
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 5: to travel all over the place, Like you can find

805
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 5: local places to enjoy it. You can make it fun,

806
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 5: like don't drag your kids to make them practice, Like yes,

807
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 5: encourage them and show up every time that they ask you.

808
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 5: But like if you're making it and you're just deciding

809
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,439
Speaker 5: they need to do X, Y and Z, like they're

810
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 5: never going to adopt their own journey. And I would argue,

811
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 5: when they adopt it as their own journey and they

812
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 5: want to do it and they're asking you to do it,

813
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 5: they're gonna have more fun. And when they have more fun,

814
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 5: I think they have a better chance to be successful.

815
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 5: That's what I notice when I got to Georgia. So

816
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 5: many players there, they are ranked way higher than me,

817
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,760
Speaker 5: but they were like this, I'm so tired of this crap.

818
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 5: And I'm like, really, I'm like, we get to work out,

819
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 5: we get to practice. And I remember, you know, them

820
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 5: going to going to practice in the in the mornings

821
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 5: and we were there, like I remember Thanksgiving break and

822
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 5: they're like, we don't get to go hall. I like, guys,

823
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 5: we got nothing else to do, Like we literally get

824
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 5: to play football, Like we get to do this. And

825
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 5: so I think sport has gone crazy because sport is

826
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 5: a money maker. You think sports is about making money,

827
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 5: travel ball is about making money, and I think we

828
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 5: keep buying into that live that the team depends on

829
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 5: where your kid's future is, and that's not the truth.

830
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 1: Talking to David Pollock ESPN, he's been all over the place.

831
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,720
Speaker 1: University of Georgia, Cincinnati, Bengal College Football Hall of Famer.

832
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: You mentioned the book, encourage people to check it out,

833
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: The Won't Quit Kid. You also have the Pollock Family

834
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: Foundation you run with your wife and kids. What should

835
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: people know about both those? The foundation and the book

836
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: here as we're Thanksgiving week? I imagine there's a lot

837
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 1: of mess that you want to get out through both.

838
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 5: Yes, I think the book talks directly to what we

839
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 5: just talked about, and we talk about like kids are

840
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 5: quitting at a higher rate. It's sixty percent now of

841
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 5: kids that start sports when they're younger quit by thirteen.

842
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 5: And if we're gonna use those lessons man and build

843
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 5: those you know, there's the resilience inside of our kids,

844
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 5: Like we want them to play sports and we want

845
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 5: them to go out there and challenge themselves and do

846
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,959
Speaker 5: hard things like so they can handle hard, Like hard

847
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 5: is coming for our kids. At some point, it's gonna

848
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 5: get difficult. We can we can make it as easy

849
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 5: as possible while they're with us, but at some point

850
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 5: life's gonna hit them really hard. And I think that

851
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 5: was the book. It's about a kid loves football man

852
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 5: and wants to play. But he goes out there and

853
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 5: it's it's hot, and it's hard and it hurts, and

854
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 5: that's what life's gonna be. It's gonna hurt, and it's

855
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 5: gonna it's gonna be hot, it's gonna be hard, And

856
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 5: so teaching it how to approach, like, hey, let's just

857
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 5: have a great practice today and have a good attitude

858
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 5: and do the best you can. And so that's the

859
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 5: premise of the book that I hope everybody gets from

860
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 5: it when they read it. And then our foundation. Then

861
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Speaker 5: it's really been fun since since I've been since I

862
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Speaker 5: got fired that that I've had so much more time.

863
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Speaker 5: And you know, out of that came the banquet of

864
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Speaker 5: blessings and we actually had a last night play. We

865
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Speaker 5: served a thousand people in downtown Athens. It was so cool.

866
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Speaker 5: We busted a bunch of the homeless from the shelters

867
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Speaker 5: around and everybody came in and every single person got

868
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 5: served at absolute cease, throw down, dessert, coffee, the whole nine.

869
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Speaker 5: And then everybody that was there got to go through

870
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Speaker 5: a line and they got a brand new coat and

871
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:36,479
Speaker 5: a scarf and mittens and gloves and socks and all

872
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 5: like kids books and they got hygiene packs and book

873
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 5: backs for them, book backs for their kids. So it

874
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Speaker 5: was just it's a cool thing that we've seen with

875
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Speaker 5: our community. Man, there's a lot of people out there

876
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Speaker 5: that are in some bad spots and we're trying to

877
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 5: help out as much as we can because we know we're,

878
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 5: for one, you know, decision away from being in there.

879
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Speaker 5: And so I think that's what we're trying to do

880
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 5: in the Athens Athens community is kind of meetup bunch

881
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 5: of these kids and these families where they're at and

882
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Speaker 5: try to help them.

883
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Speaker 1: You just mentioned something there that I think is important.

884
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Speaker 1: I've been fired several times. I imagine a lot of

885
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Speaker 1: people out there have been fired as well. What was

886
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: that like for you? And what you just said that

887
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,240
Speaker 1: there is a blessing sometimes that comes with being fired.

888
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: I think it's an important message, particularly in Thanksgiving time

889
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: where so many people are worried and you have a

890
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: job and then you have that moment where suddenly you

891
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: don't what was that like for you?

892
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Speaker 5: I think the first reaction is always like oh my gosh, like,

893
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 5: oh crap, what am I going to do next? And

894
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 5: I think first reaction is usually kind of a fight,

895
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 5: you know, a fight or flight mentality, and you figure out,

896
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 5: like what do I need to do. But the thing

897
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Speaker 5: it's done for me is it's been really cool because

898
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 5: you know, you kind of get on a bike in

899
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Speaker 5: life and you just start riding and then I think

900
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 5: a lot of times you ride and you end up

901
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 5: down the road, you know, twenty five minutes, and then

902
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 5: twenty five minutes turns into twenty five years, you know,

903
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 5: doing the same thing, and you kind of forget about

904
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 5: the art of the possible. That's what's been really cool

905
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 5: to me is it's just dream clay. If you'd told

906
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 5: me I was an author, I of slapped you in

907
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 5: the face. I'd have been like, absolutely not. I am

908
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 5: not sitting down. I'm a dumb defensive player. I'm not

909
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 5: sitting down and concentrating enough to do that. And so

910
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 5: that's been fun. And then speaking and just you know,

911
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 5: coaching high school football, coaching I coach girls harsh high

912
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 5: school varsity basketball, like women's it's fantastic, it's unbelievable. And

913
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 5: so I think what's cool is you get a chance

914
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 5: to really assess when you get fired. What brings me joy?

915
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 5: Like what really wakes me up, man and excites me?

916
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 5: And if you can find something like that, I think

917
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 5: that's where that's where God wants you to be. Like,

918
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 5: find those find those avenues in those areas that excite you.

919
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 5: And sometimes it's not always going to be where the

920
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 5: money is, and a lot of people are gonna look

921
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 5: at that and that's not success. But but I would

922
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 5: argue differently, man, When you when you really feel good

923
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 5: about what you do and you get to pay bills

924
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 5: and you get to pursue something that you know fills

925
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 5: your tank, I think it's really fun. And that's that's

926
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 5: been a cool thing about now all the time, with

927
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Speaker 5: my babies plugging plugging, plugging in as much as possible

928
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Speaker 5: and able to support them.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff as always, man, I appreciate it. We need

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Speaker 1: to talk longer sometime. The book The Won't Quit Kid.

931
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Speaker 1: Encourage you to check it out, David Pollock UH and

932
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Speaker 1: keep doing the good work with the Pollock Family Foundation

933
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Speaker 1: as well, And good luck to you and your family

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Speaker 1: UH for this Thanksgiving week.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely thanks, thank you very much.