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On the Small Island of a Rubot, 18 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,559 Speaker 1: Natalie Holloway was with friends at a local bar where 19 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: she was last seen getting a ride with Uron Vandersloughte. 20 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: Natalie's disappearance remains a mystery. Her dad says that he 21 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: in a private eye found human remains in a rubot. 22 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: We took those remains and had them remains tested, and 23 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: then just returned last week. That's her human remains. Will 24 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: there be able to be some kind of test ave 25 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 1: that will answer once in Paul whether this is Natalie. 26 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: We're in the process of doing a d n A test. 27 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: Dave Holloway says that a friend of a man who 28 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: was once suspected in her disappearance tipped them off. I 29 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:44,839 Speaker 1: know that there's a possibility this could be someone else, 30 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: and I'm just trying to wait and see a major 31 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: breakthrough in the search for Alabama Beauty Honor student Natalie Holloway. 32 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: Unless you been living under a rock or in a cave, 33 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: you know that Natalie Holloway from Mountain Brook, Alabama, all 34 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: set to head to college even with the college scholarship, 35 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: goes on her high school senior trip to Aruba. The 36 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: trip is heavily chaperoned. Her parents take her to the 37 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: departure point. They love honor, They waved goodbye and they 38 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: never see Natalie Holloway again. Let me tell you something, 39 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: but my daughter went on her first girl Scout trip. 40 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: You know who was telling them three cars behind when 41 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: they went on their first field trip in a school 42 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: bus to a museum. Yeah, that was me in a 43 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: pair of sunglasses, like ten cars back telling oh yes, 44 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: I did you know why because of Natalie Holloway. Because 45 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: they took every precaution they could. This trip again was 46 00:02:55,520 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: heavily chaperoned. Everything was safe and secure. Enter yourn Xander Slute, 47 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: the son of an Auruben judge Paula S. Vanderslot, who 48 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 1: many people believe covered up the kidnap, the disappearance and 49 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: the death of Natalie Holloway. I Nancy Grace, this is 50 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: crime Stories, breaking news in the search for the Alabama teen. 51 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: Natalie Holloway straight out to Art Harris, investigative reporter who 52 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: covered her disappearance from Aruba along with me. When how 53 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: Natalie first went missing? Aren't What is the latest? Nancy? 54 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: Her father has sent away remains they believe were possibly 55 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: Natalie's to have the DNA analysis, and it has come 56 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: back of a general conclusion that the remains were from 57 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: Eastern European descent, suggesting and that is Natalie's heritage, that 58 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: this could be Natalie. They are waiting for more testing 59 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: to more in or out, but this is a general 60 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,839 Speaker 1: kind of test that people do when they send in 61 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: and subscribe to answers major art. This is major because 62 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: if this is correct, I am so mad with those 63 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: Auruban prosecutors who are poo pooing this, saying it's nothing. 64 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 1: What do they know? They've been lying to us from 65 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 1: the get go, them right along with the Aeruban police. 66 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: I saw I never put a toe on Aeruban soil 67 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: after the way they did Natalie Holloway and her family 68 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: down there. Long story short, Dave Holloway has spent the 69 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 1: last twelve years of his life trying to find his 70 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: daughter or trying to find out what happened to his daughter, 71 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: including traveling as far away as Nicaragua and other far 72 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 1: away destinations to find Natalie Holloway. I mean, can you 73 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 1: imagine you wake up every morning, you get a cup 74 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 1: of coffee, and you think, as Natalie a sex slaves? 75 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 1: Where is she being beaten right now? Is she being abused? 76 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: Is she in some foreign country and she can't get 77 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 1: to the phone. Where's my daughter? I mean, I get 78 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 1: so keyed up about this. Sometimes I just drive by 79 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 1: the children's school just to make sure it looks safe 80 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: from the outside. It's just just so upsetting. I don't 81 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: know how they managed to put one foot in front 82 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: of the other joining me. In addition to Art Harris, 83 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: Emmy Award winning reporter, renowned medical examiner from Madison Heights, Wisconsin, 84 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,799 Speaker 1: Dr William Maroney, author of a brand new book available 85 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 1: on Amazon. I'm so proud of this book. American nar 86 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: Can really fighting the war against opioids taking over our country. 87 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: Dr Maroney. I want to talk to you about what's 88 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: happening right now. And first of all, let me started 89 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: off Dr Maroney with thanking you and Art for being 90 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: with me. But I am so fed up with people 91 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: trashing Dave Holloway and acting like this is some kind 92 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: of a stunt. That man has had a very successful career. 93 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 1: He does not need any kind of publicity at all. 94 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: He doesn't need that. Nobody in his family. You drive 95 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: down the streets and mountain broken, You'll know what I mean. Okay, 96 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: it ain't shabby. So he's been on this quest for 97 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: all these years, twelve years, Dr Maroney, and I really 98 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 1: resent people attacking him saying that this is a perfectly 99 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: timed stunt. You know, he doesn't need that. Uh that 100 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: said Dr moroney. How important is it that these remains 101 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:52,239 Speaker 1: have been identified as a woman of Eastern European descent, 102 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 1: just like Natalie. Well, they fit her profile and her background, 103 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 1: but they also come linked to a confession of sorts 104 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: that come because of this investation. We've been waiting twelve years. 105 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: We asked ourselves twelve years ago, did you're in vanderslute 106 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: bury the body and we just not finding it? Or 107 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: did he bring it to see We knew what he 108 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: was involved and we were waiting to see it. Took 109 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: twelve years for them to find the possible secondary crime site. 110 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: And the fact they say there remains means this body 111 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: may have been dismembered and they're gonna be sending pieces 112 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: of bone away. And the technology that we have today, 113 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: the mitochondrial DNA links. Hold on, hold on, hold on, 114 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: Let's stop the trying for a moment. I think what 115 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: you just said in regular people talk is that they 116 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: now will make a comparison of these bones DNA through 117 00:07:55,520 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: mitochondrial DNA. In regular talk, that means d NA derived 118 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: from the mother. Why are first of all, how do 119 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: you extract DNA from bones? Why does it take so long? Well, 120 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: they're going to be able to have some kind of 121 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: genetic information from bone marrow from some some other damaged tissue. 122 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: But linking these samples direct, how do you get it? 123 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: You're back, You're already ahead of me. You're too linking. 124 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: How do you get the DNA out of a bone 125 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: that you dig up out of the earth? Dr Maroney. 126 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,959 Speaker 1: You grind it up and you take sample after sample 127 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: to see. It's like a puzzle. There are some pieces 128 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,599 Speaker 1: that this piece is missing, but piece B and C 129 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: are present, so you're missing A. And you grind it up, 130 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: and you look at other pieces and piece A is present, 131 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: but C PC is missing, and you end up putting 132 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: a piece of DNA back together that has been damaged 133 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: that you can't see an entirety. But when you're done, 134 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: it'll match the mother if this is the Okay, I 135 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: think what you're saying is you grind up the bone. Okay. 136 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: See I thought what you did was go into the bone, 137 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: the center of the bone to get bone marrow. Is 138 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: that not where the marrow is in a bone, in 139 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: the center of the bone. It is, But it's gonna 140 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: be dried now, Isn't that just like dried blood? You 141 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: can get DNA from dried blood. Can't you get it 142 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: from dried bon marrow? Except in the blood, the only 143 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 1: um place for the DNA are cells that have nucleus, 144 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: and the actual red blood cells, the large component of blood, 145 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: are a nucleated. That means they don't have a nucleus, 146 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: and the nucleus of the cell is where you get 147 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: the genetic information. And there's more genetic information in the 148 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: cells in the marrow because they're pluripotent. What is that? 149 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,599 Speaker 1: It means the cells in the marrow can reproduce in 150 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: many different directions. When when people talk about well, you 151 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: know there's immunological cells, so there's B cells and C cells, 152 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: or there could be white cells for infection, or there 153 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: could be red cells, or those cells could take off 154 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: and just like stem cell therapy, they can develop into 155 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: other cells, many different other cells. So the plural potency 156 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: growth and direction and that is driven by the nucleus. Okay, 157 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: never mind, Okay, I wish I had not even asked. 158 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: I appreciate the effort, but I majored in Shakespearean literature 159 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: or not microbiology or whatever they you majored in. Just 160 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: take it as a compliment, Okay, Long story short, they 161 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: grind the bone ut all right, Mitochondrial DNA they get 162 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:53,599 Speaker 1: from the mom. Why and keep it simple, Dr Marone, Okay, 163 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: I know you're the m D I understand that, and 164 00:10:56,520 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 1: I respect it. But mitochondrial DNA is a secondary type 165 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: of DNA. You don't have the nucleus I think that 166 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: you're referring to, and you take mitochondrial DNA as a 167 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: second choice. So what do they get DNA from Natalie's mom, Beth, 168 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: and then compare it to the ground up bone DNA? Yes, 169 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: but whether you're male or female, all of your mitochondrial 170 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: DNA comes from your mother. So men and women, brothers 171 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: and sisters will all have inherited Okay, stop right there 172 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 1: before you go go off on a biological tangent that I 173 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: don't know what you're saying. Tell me this, Dr Maroney, 174 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 1: and again, dummy down for me. Okay. They know that 175 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: these bones are from a woman of Eastern European descent, 176 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: which Natalie is. How do they know these bones are 177 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: a woman? First of all, because when they do the bones, 178 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,319 Speaker 1: every cell has the potential to have some kind of 179 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: X or why, and in those genetic markers, x X 180 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: is female and x Y is male. Okay, I got 181 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: it X versus x Y. I understand that much. So 182 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: you can tell that much from the ground up DNA 183 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: or from just looking at the bone. They have to 184 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:21,479 Speaker 1: look at the DNA for that for for for the gene. 185 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: Now let me understand, we understand. I believe that some 186 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: for instant anthropologists can look at a bone and tell 187 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: me if it's a woman, if they have the pelvis. 188 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: But I don't know that they've got the pelvis here. 189 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: So how okay, you're telling me you can tell it's 190 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: a woman from the ground up DNA. How about that 191 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: she is of Eastern European descent? And what does that mean? 192 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: Eastern European descent. What that means is that you're going 193 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: to have certain genetic qualities that might say fair skin, 194 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: auburn hair, so that you know that northern and Eastern 195 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: European traits, whereas if they're a Pacific islander, it'll be 196 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: black hair and brown eyes. Got it? Got it? Okay? 197 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: Now Also with me is Aunt Harris, Emmy Award winning reporter. 198 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: Arn't let's take a call with Dr Moroney out to 199 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,079 Speaker 1: the lines. I think I have Joe from Florida, high. 200 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 1: What's your question, Well, I have in connection with this, 201 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: I wonder exactly where the bones were found? Number one? 202 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: And the comments I have are I think it's absolutely 203 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: despicable of Vanderslu's father, the judge, to have probably covered 204 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 1: up his son's murder. I mean, that is incredible. Um. 205 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: But and I would have guessed that, because no one 206 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: has found that found anything till this moment, that she 207 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,319 Speaker 1: was washed away in the ocean. But what do we know. 208 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: Let's answer his question, aren't where were the bones found? 209 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: They were und Nancy, of course on the island, not 210 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:08,319 Speaker 1: far apparently from Vanderslut's house. But they were more interestingly 211 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 1: led there by a former roommate who was the informant 212 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: of yourn vander Slut, who says he confessed to him 213 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: in confidence so once upon a time that after he 214 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: fed her the g HB date rape drug in a 215 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: drink and she foamed at the mouth passed out. No 216 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: one really believes or knows what to believe from him, 217 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: but this guy said that the father did in fact 218 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: help cover up for him, and that these remains were 219 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: dumped here and that this was only known to him 220 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: because of his close relationship with your in and now 221 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: they have led Dave and his private investigator T. J. 222 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: Ward to this site. Unclear how they got these this 223 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: material off the island into whatever lab is doing it, 224 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: but uh, you know, in good faith, we have hope 225 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: now that this might be one step closer to closure, 226 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: to finding out that this could possibly be Natalie, because 227 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: of the connection between the source of the information and 228 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: the fact that these are this is DNA from an 229 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: Eastern European a woman to be some European descent, as 230 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: you said, Matt, Natalie her mother presumably too. And now 231 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: they've got to wait for more detailed testing that the 232 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: doctor would be more familiar with in terms of what 233 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: that could be, to get closer to a confirmation. Nancy. 234 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: Back to Dr William Moroney. Dr Maroney, you were saying 235 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: that what adds so much credibility to this possibly being 236 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: Natalie Holloway is that it was in connection with a 237 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: so called confession. What do you mean by that, Well, 238 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: if you find bones at all, you really don't have 239 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: any probable cause to test them. But if you have 240 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: somebody say I helped somebody dispose of a body, and 241 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: we put it over there, and you go there and 242 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: there's bones, even if it's not a whole skeleton, if 243 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: it's remains, which is partial skeleton or pieces of bones, 244 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: then you'd say, well, this is probably not an explorer. 245 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: And the age determination, which will come basically on size 246 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: and thickness measurements, will be putting that Eastern European female 247 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: somewhere between the age of puberty and young adult female status. 248 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: That'll be a second clue. When you look at the 249 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:45,119 Speaker 1: genetic traces, the ethnic heritage, the sex, and then the age, 250 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: you start putting this together like a puzzle and it 251 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: and you'd say, well, this isn't a post menopausal woman 252 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: from the seventeenth century. It's going to come down to 253 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: the age of the bones and the mitochondrial DNA is 254 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 1: Natalie Holloway's father one step closer to finding the fate 255 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 1: of his daughter. New but unconfirmed reports now suggesting Dave 256 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 1: Holloway has made that step a step closer to the 257 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: discovery of his missing daughter preluminary DNA test reportedly showing 258 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: that newly discovered human bones are from a young woman 259 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: of Eastern European descent, just like Natalie. I want to 260 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: thank all of you for calling in and especially for 261 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: our guest today, Dr William Moroney, medical examiner joining me 262 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 1: from Madison Heights, Wisconsin, and Emmy Award winning reporter Art 263 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: Harris joining us, caller Joe from Florida. Joe, your theory 264 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: that she was washed to see reminds me of all 265 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: of the false leads and the I don't really know 266 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 1: what to call him, the red herrings that have been 267 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: thrown at the Holloway family since Natalie first went missing. 268 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 1: We had that she was taken out on a party 269 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 1: boat and thrown overboard. We had that she was sold 270 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: into sex slavery and was in another country. Oh my goodness, 271 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 1: that that she was in a tar pit. That means 272 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 1: there have been so many false leads in this case, 273 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: and I hate that the family has gone through this. 274 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: But you brought up, Joe that there was the one 275 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: theory that her she had been thrown in the water 276 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: and that she was lost at sea. I believe that 277 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: was the theory you brought up Joe in Florida. Well, 278 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: that was one possibility that seemed because no one found 279 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: anything until now, that was one possibility of her completely disappearing. 280 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 1: And you know, Joe in Florida, Aruba is not big. 281 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 1: I mean you can be on one side of a 282 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 1: ruba and basically see the other side in the distance. 283 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 1: I mean it's not big. And you're right when no 284 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: bones were ever discovered and no remains, that led everyone 285 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: to think that she was in the water. In fact, 286 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: Art Harris, investigative reporter. Do you remember when there was 287 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 1: a couple that were snorkeling or scuba diving and they 288 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: actually saw what appeared to be a human skull? Do 289 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: you remember that? Yeah, Nancy. In fact, the water theory, 290 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 1: if you remember where it came from. It was a 291 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: friend of Yourn's who ran one of those boats. And 292 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: so you've got to think, was this a convenient uh 293 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 1: diversion to steer them away from what really happened? Because 294 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: who's going to find the body that that long after 295 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: in the water with the current shifting and the Navy 296 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 1: was out there Belave, the coast Guard and a lot 297 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: of a lot of searching was going on, Nancy, and 298 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: nothing turned up. Well, if you recall, let's follow that through, 299 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: there was actually a party boat in Aruba and people 300 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: would rent the party boat and go out on the 301 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: water and party all night long. In fact, this party 302 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: boat owner. I recall it very well, Steve Gregory Crows. 303 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 1: I think that actually Steve Gregory Cruise, as I recall, 304 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: um was actually arrested a day after he was contacted 305 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: by police and he went voluntearily to the station to 306 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: give a statement. According to his boss, Cruz was a 307 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 1: disc jockey, as I recall, and he was on the 308 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: party boat Tattoo. I remember it like he was like 309 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:31,919 Speaker 1: it was yesterday, and he knew one of the Syrens 310 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: Colpo brothers. Art. Take me back to our investigation. You 311 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: were there on the island when Natalie went You went 312 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 1: to the island when Natalie went missing, and we covered 313 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 1: it hard hard, And I remember this party boat, Nancy, Yeah, 314 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: Nancy laugh, Yeah. And you remember Mary started at what 315 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: Carlos and Charlie's uh, where everybody flocked for for a 316 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: little party and drinking. And of course nobody knew that 317 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 1: that the m o of the bar was for your 318 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,959 Speaker 1: and two single women out and put a date rate 319 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,719 Speaker 1: drug in their drink and uh and after that they 320 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 1: were putty in his hands. And so the last scene 321 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: Natalie was in a car with him and the Kalpo 322 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: brothers leaving Carlos and Charlie's and all the different theories 323 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: stun out from there. There's been so many different stories. 324 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 1: This one has some credibility, at least because supposedly came 325 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: from a former roommate of Yourn who heard this quote 326 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: confession and confidence at one point. Uh and a lot 327 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: of the pieces seemed to fit with other things we've 328 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 1: independently confirmed along the way. Nancy, when Urn Harris says 329 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: date rape drug, he's referring to Gamma Hi droxy beauty rate. 330 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,719 Speaker 1: Let me ask you about that, Dr Maroney, I also 331 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: believe that was slipped into n Allie's drink at the 332 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: bar for she and all of her friends were Arlives 333 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: and Charlie's. Um. What is g h B, Dr Maroney? 334 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 1: And how does it affect you? G HB falls into 335 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 1: a category that we call two words, a sedative hypnotic. 336 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: So it makes you relax and it makes you sleep. 337 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: And sedative hypnotics tend to lead to some kind of amnesia, 338 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: so that even if you're not asleep, you're disinhibited and 339 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: you don't remember what you did. So that's why it's 340 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: used because it goes to the brain and it knocks 341 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 1: out some of your inhibitions. And the problem with those 342 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: kind of drugs and the reason why she would have 343 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 1: passed out, foamed at the mouth and died is those drugs, 344 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: just like opiates, just like our opioid crisis in America, 345 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: just like heroin or something like that, shut down the 346 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: respiratory system. And when you don't breathe with the proper pressures, 347 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: you begin to home because there's a pressure imbalance in 348 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: your lungs. Many opioid overdosed tests or heroin overdosed tests, 349 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: when you get unseen, they've foamed through their mouth and nose. 350 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:17,640 Speaker 1: And if there's reports of her foaming from this um 351 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: Mr Ludwig that was part of his roommate uh entourage, 352 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: it's because it's shut down our breathing and she would 353 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: have died of hypoxia, not enough air, because the drugs 354 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: shut her brain off and she couldn't Breathe makes you 355 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: forget to breathe, right, yeah, and shut really and if 356 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 1: you if you live through it, you don't remember any 357 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 1: of it. Very convenient, manthy, Yeah, you're right, And that's 358 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: happened to so many women, and it's tasteless, it's outterless. 359 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 1: You never know you're drinking it, which is why I 360 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 1: advise people never leave your drink unattended. If you find 361 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: out you do you have left it unattended, just get 362 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: a new one. It's three dollars. Please don't do it. 363 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,959 Speaker 1: It's just so not worth it. Another thing that really 364 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: struck me, and I believe Natalie's mom, Beth told me 365 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: this to my face when we were talking off air, 366 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: that in one of his many statements, you're in Vanderslute 367 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: described the underwear that Natalie was wearing that night, So 368 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: knowing that, and she did own appear underwear like that, 369 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: I think it had flowers on it, as I recall 370 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 1: what Beth told me was a long time ago. Beth 371 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 1: told me that. But if that's true, and it's hard 372 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: to tell what's true from your Vanderslute, then it was 373 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: a lot more than him giving her a drug or 374 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: her drinking too much and choking. There was a rape 375 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: involved as well, and armed with that evidence I can 376 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: then extrapolate to what I think happened that night. He 377 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,919 Speaker 1: also said you're in Vanderslute. The judges son allis vander Sloop, 378 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 1: who I thought she had been prosecuted as well, But 379 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 1: that won't happen because he's dead. You're in Vandor Sloop 380 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: gave his father a heart attack, he dropped dead. My 381 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,360 Speaker 1: theory is that you're in vander Sloop did give Natalie 382 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: Holloway the date rape drug, as he had done in 383 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,439 Speaker 1: the past to other women, or I don't think she 384 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 1: would have ever left with him. Her friends were there 385 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 1: at the bar that night. They had planned to leave together, 386 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: and then they see her driving off with him. They're 387 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: like what what? And that then he attempted to rape 388 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: her and killed her. Now, she may have choked on 389 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: the froth that Dr Maroney was describing, but that's still 390 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 1: a felony murder. If a death occurs in the commission 391 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: of a felony, which intentional drugging is an aggravated assault, 392 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 1: that is a felony murder for which the death penalty 393 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 1: can be sought. Now, I know I went to warp 394 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: speed on that, but let me break it down. You 395 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: give a lady a date rape drug and she chokes 396 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: on it and dies, you're in it for a death 397 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: penalty case. That is murder one, even if you did 398 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 1: not intend her to die. If someone dies in the 399 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: commission of any felony armed robbery, burglary, robbing a bank, 400 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 1: drugging them. You're on the hook for felony murder and 401 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: that is the same as premeditated or malice murder as 402 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: far as sentencing. That's what I think happened. Dr Moroney, 403 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: Do you have anything to back it up? Now? I 404 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: agree with what you said. And as soon as she died, 405 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 1: if he was involved in a criminal sexual assault, he 406 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,199 Speaker 1: could not have that body show up anywhere because his 407 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 1: DNA would have been in it, and he had to 408 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: make sure everything that was done was going to prevent 409 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:47,199 Speaker 1: finding that body so that his DNA could not be 410 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 1: linked to her death. Take a listen to what Dave 411 00:26:54,760 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: Holloway has to say. I have a question, what is 412 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 1: your in result? I mean, what do you want the most? 413 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: Do you want someone in jail or do you just 414 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: want to know what happened to have it documented? How 415 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: do you see this well? I mean my number one 416 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: goal is to find Natalie and find out what happened. 417 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: And then the second the golf priority and goal is 418 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: is your in Vanderslop was responsible for her death and 419 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: I want to see him him dance. And then number 420 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 1: three is John uh committed a crime where he disposed 421 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 1: of her body. So those three things are my priorities. 422 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 1: You know, you're in for what he did. He needs 423 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: to serve his time for Natalie's murder. He's just an 424 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 1: evil person. Evil. I think you're in Vanderslop knows what 425 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:03,160 Speaker 1: happened to Natalie, and I just want another truth right now. 426 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: I hope it is as that they will arrest John, 427 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: hold him for a disposal of human remains, and then 428 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,880 Speaker 1: finally bring princh arges against him. Back to Art Harris, 429 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: you know when you hear Dave Holloway talking and same 430 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: thing with Beth, the heartbreak and their voice is still evident. 431 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: I mean, he says quote, I've always tried to be 432 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 1: skeptical about it because I don't want to be disappointed. 433 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: I mean, Art just they have been up against the 434 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: law so many times here, and think about the cooperation 435 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: that you would get if this had happened in the 436 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: in the States. You know, the full force of law enforcement, 437 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: all the forensics, all the searching. Here they have basically 438 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: a a rogue police state that that marches to their 439 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: own drummer doesn't want anything to get I mean a body. 440 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: If they had found her body on the island. Think 441 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: of that, would they have made the tourism industry take 442 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: another black eye. I mean, so they've got at all 443 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: costs to protect their image as such as it is. 444 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: Uh and and to stone Wall and UH. You know, 445 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: I have talked to some several UH sources who work 446 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: with Uban authorities and they are very insistent about keeping 447 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: American authorities at arms links. They don't want them on 448 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: the island to be able to report UH on the 449 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: horror story of an investigation that they did. UH and UH. 450 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: So you know, it's it's really it's tragic because normally, 451 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: you know far you know, if you die abroad, the 452 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: FBI could have jurisdiction to come in uh and work 453 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: the case. Not another thing, Dave Holloway said, And I'm referring, 454 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: I'm referring back to what Dr Maroney alluded to that 455 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: these bones are not just a major breakthrough in the 456 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: sense that they are of a young woman of Eastern 457 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: European descent. And when we say that where we're talking 458 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 1: about London, France, um, anywhere in Europe. But they are 459 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: connected to this exact location, They're connected to Natalie. How 460 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: is that? According to Dave Holloway quote, we have a 461 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: person who states he was directly involved with yourn Vander 462 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: Salute and disposing of Natalie's remains. I thought, you know, 463 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: there may be something to this. And when you see 464 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: all this Oxygen special, all they went through, getting wired 465 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: up and getting a confidential informant to approach this guy, 466 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: it was quite the ordeal grande a to try to 467 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: get this information. You know another thing, Dr Maroney, people 468 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: are saying, oh wow, this is a coincidence that there 469 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: is this Oxygen show. You know what do you remember 470 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: Dr Murray, Tony and Aunt Harris when Beth Beth the 471 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: mom was funded by somebody and the crew went with 472 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: her to Peru where your and Vander Salute is now 473 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: and she confronted him trying to get answers about Natalie's whereabouts. 474 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: If it hadn't been for that crew getting access to 475 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: him in Peru, it wouldn't have happened. You know. Finally, 476 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: Dave Holloway has somebody helping him and it's the Oxygen 477 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: team and they're filming it. You know what, I say, 478 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: power to them if they can help find Natalie or 479 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: bring attention to Natalie. Power to them. They're doing more 480 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: than the Aruba Police Force ever did. I can tell 481 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 1: you that much. What about it? What about it? Dr Maroney? 482 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: The invisible hand of journalism is now the fist that 483 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: should have been criminal. Just this, well put and Aunt 484 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: Harris when you were down there, When you were down there, 485 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: the police weren't doing a darned ding. Journalists reporters like 486 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: you were the ones chasing all the leads to try 487 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: to find her. Now the prosecutors now say it's not 488 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: human remains. I would take that with a box of salt. 489 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: Do you remember that? Art? How many and Nancy? How 490 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: many different police lieutenant superintendents have there been down there? 491 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: How many different stories have been told? How often have 492 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: they denied any sort of lead that has come forward 493 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: from the possibility of being buried at the at the 494 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: Marriott Hotel site that they refused to excavate. I mean, 495 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: there has been no cooperation. You've had a number of 496 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: folks on your show over the years and have gotten 497 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: double talk how how often? I mean, it must be tough. 498 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: It's tough to listen to because you just have to 499 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: assume when they're open their mouths they're not telling the truth. 500 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,719 Speaker 1: And I mean it's all shrouded with what happened with 501 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: the father, paula stander salute. I remember trying to interview 502 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: him and he he took off running, and as I 503 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: always say, all there was was the elbows and tail hole. 504 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: That's all I saw him. He took off and all 505 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: I saw was his rear end running down the street. 506 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 1: That was a judge, for Pete's sake, the influence of 507 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 1: Nancy they had on the island. If you ask what 508 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: it was like when you're in, for example, went to 509 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: the casino, he was treated like royalty and uh why 510 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: is that? I mean he had his you know, he 511 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 1: had his pick of watter. He was strut around and 512 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: and I had pretty good rolls and hangers on and money, 513 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 1: plenty of money to throw around. So this was someone 514 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: who was connected. It's almost like a like a mob 515 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: family of a Reuben royalty. It's a hard, hard thing 516 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 1: to even imagine, but that atmosphere contributed to this whole 517 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: shroud of of cover up. Niche well, as I always say, 518 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: and I know you two are going to fall off 519 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,479 Speaker 1: your chair when you don't know a horse. Look at 520 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 1: his track record, yourn Vanderslut went on to murder another 521 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 1: young woman, Stephanie Tassiana Flores, from a very well connected family. 522 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: They met in a casino. It's all on video. They 523 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: leave together, and the police theory is that in your 524 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 1: in Vanderslout's room, she googled him or looked him up 525 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: and confronted him about Natalie, and he murdered her. He 526 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 1: didn't give a thig about it. After he murders her, 527 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 1: the room is bloody and destroyed and disseveled, disheveled, he 528 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 1: goes out and gets coffee in a Danish comes and 529 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 1: sits down about three feet from her dead body, and 530 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 1: kicks back and has his coffee and his doughnut, and 531 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 1: then he's caught on camera out in the hallway of 532 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 1: the hotel, Doctor Moroney, it looks like a deer in 533 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 1: the headlights, leaving, leaving her body. There is that cathology? 534 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: Or is he satan incarnate? You know? How can you 535 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,720 Speaker 1: say satan? And it's okay When I say somebody's satan 536 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 1: or evil, everybody goes berserk. But yes, I would think 537 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 1: that he's evil incarnate. And I really believe that in life, 538 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 1: you pick a side good or evil, And yeah, you 539 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 1: mess up, sometimes make the wrong call. But there's a 540 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 1: battle going on right now, Dr Maroney, and I firmly 541 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 1: agree with you. Twelve years we waited for this, twelve 542 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,919 Speaker 1: years evil from an island at evil Nancy and where 543 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 1: people's son and have fun, but have no idea what 544 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: could be around the corner should they wander into another 545 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 1: bar like she did. So beware. You know what I'm 546 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 1: gonna do. After I talked to you too, I'm getting 547 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 1: myself in my minivan and I'm going to go check 548 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: on the children. Okay, we are waiting for the final 549 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: outcome in the search for Natalie Holloway. My friends and 550 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,840 Speaker 1: colleagues Dr William Moroney were now to medical examiner. You know, 551 00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 1: I'm just so glad I met you. To Maroney joining 552 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 1: me out of mass And Heights, Wisconsin today. My longtime 553 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:11,439 Speaker 1: friend and colleague Aren't Harris Emmy Award winning reporter. Thank 554 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,240 Speaker 1: you guys so much. In our continued search for justice 555 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: for Natalie, another piece of the puzzle has been added 556 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 1: to trying to solve the mystery of the disappearance of 557 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 1: a beautiful young boy. That's the way his mom describes him. Uh, 558 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 1: beautiful young boy. I remember when I saw his photo 559 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 1: albums of him as a child, his mom showed them 560 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,800 Speaker 1: to me when I first met with Stephanie. That beautiful 561 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 1: boy turned into a young man that everyone loved, that 562 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,400 Speaker 1: went off to fight for our country an Iraqi war 563 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,800 Speaker 1: Vett comes home to his lovely wife, absolutely lovely. I 564 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 1: wish you could meet her like I did Amanda and 565 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 1: their little girls, only to meet with what he escaped 566 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 1: in Iraq, okay, and that is death. What happened to 567 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 1: Chase Master? We started with finding Chase Master, and boy 568 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:14,880 Speaker 1: did we after the efforts of Team Chase, Chase's family 569 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:21,479 Speaker 1: and you guys joining us on Sirius XMO. Right now, 570 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 1: Chase's remains were found, or we thought they were his 571 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 1: remains found under a patio under a slab of cement 572 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:36,760 Speaker 1: laid by an amateur. Right now we have breaking knees 573 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,399 Speaker 1: in the search for Chase Master. And joining me from 574 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,359 Speaker 1: NBC eleven alive is Jessica Nol. Jessica, thank you so much. 575 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 1: What do we know? So? Right now? What we know 576 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 1: is that those remains that were found behind that house 577 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 1: have been positively identified as Chase Masner. And how do 578 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 1: we know that? Jessica No, I mean, I said at 579 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 1: the get go, who else do you think is behind 580 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,759 Speaker 1: his so called friends home, the last person to see him? 581 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,440 Speaker 1: What I don't understand. That's why the cops twiddled their 582 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,799 Speaker 1: thumbs all this time. But that's a whole another can 583 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,800 Speaker 1: of worms. Let's talk about the identification of Chase Master, 584 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 1: which is one piece of the puzzle. What do we know, Jessica, 585 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 1: the medical examiner is the one who positively ided his remains. 586 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 1: But you know, it had taken three weeks, and we 587 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:28,160 Speaker 1: talked to his mom, Stephanie. She was expressing her frustration, um, 588 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 1: that it had taken so long, and the backup seemed 589 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,319 Speaker 1: to be that the army had sent um, you know, 590 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 1: the wrong den of the wrong records to the medical examiners. 591 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:44,399 Speaker 1: Oh dear Lord in Heaven, Oh my stars. I mean, 592 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 1: it's like insult to injury because with me is Lee 593 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,920 Speaker 1: Egan from our team at Crime online dot Com. Lee, 594 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:56,239 Speaker 1: it's just been one thing after the next. Remember the 595 00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:00,440 Speaker 1: mom Stephanie told us at the get go, she egged 596 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 1: begged the police to come short search a dumpster that 597 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 1: some people thought they saw the friend Brad Clement throw 598 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 1: a black bag into. All Right, the police, wouldn't come, 599 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 1: wouldn't come, wouldn't come. They finally came and search the 600 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:22,280 Speaker 1: wrong dumpster. Then it's taken us this long to get 601 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 1: a dog out there. And the reality is, Lea Egan, 602 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:30,920 Speaker 1: isn't it true? Volunteers got the dog out there. Volunteers 603 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:35,120 Speaker 1: led by Tracy Sergeant, a canine expert, got the dog 604 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,959 Speaker 1: out there. And am I wrong? Nope, you are absolutely right. 605 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:43,080 Speaker 1: They while the mom was begging them to search the dumpster, 606 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,800 Speaker 1: the ladies on Team Chase, we're begging them to search 607 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,360 Speaker 1: the yard for years, Please search the yard, Please search 608 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,719 Speaker 1: the yard. I don't know what happened there. I don't 609 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 1: know why they didn't. But then his case got sent 610 00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 1: over to the cold case unit, and finally these guys 611 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,359 Speaker 1: listened to them and they got the yard search. Then yes, 612 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,359 Speaker 1: sergeant brought out her dogs. The dogs hit on the 613 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,360 Speaker 1: same spot to that they were separated, one dog on 614 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 1: the same spot, the other dog was brought in. Well, 615 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,799 Speaker 1: another thing, Lee Egan, And I'm gonna throw back to 616 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 1: Jessica Nole, Jessica from all the years I prosecuted, there's 617 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:21,120 Speaker 1: a big difference in bringing out a drug dog, bomb 618 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,720 Speaker 1: dog to smell explosives, A a dog that can smell 619 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:29,440 Speaker 1: drugs on currency, um, A scent dog that will track 620 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 1: your scent, like the dog that tracked Lacy Peterson sent 621 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 1: from her home on Cavin Covina all the way to 622 00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,880 Speaker 1: San Francisco Bay. He followed her scent that far. To 623 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,560 Speaker 1: a cadaver dog, you gotta bring the right dog. I mean, 624 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,520 Speaker 1: don't bring a knife to a gunfight. For Pete's sake. 625 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,759 Speaker 1: It took us long enough to get a dog out there. 626 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,319 Speaker 1: I'm very close to cursing right now. But then we 627 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:55,120 Speaker 1: had to get a cadaver dog. And Jessica, what happened 628 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,800 Speaker 1: when a cadaver dog was brought to the scene, Jessica, 629 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,160 Speaker 1: nol eleven a lot well. I mean, his remains were 630 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:07,600 Speaker 1: finally found, taken more than three years UM, after several 631 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,959 Speaker 1: asks from everyone to check that, and and it took 632 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,160 Speaker 1: that long to get out there. And you know, the 633 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,239 Speaker 1: cob County Cold Case Unit is a pretty amazing team 634 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,840 Speaker 1: of guys. That guys and women who um, they're actually 635 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 1: a retired team of detectives who are pretty dogged about 636 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,040 Speaker 1: getting to the bottom of things. And that's why they're 637 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,799 Speaker 1: perfect for that unit. And they had the dog out there? 638 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,600 Speaker 1: And when when you say they had the dog out there, 639 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,560 Speaker 1: Lee egan, Crime Online reporter, Who who got the dog 640 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,920 Speaker 1: out there? Actually? Yeah, the the Cold Cana along with 641 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,240 Speaker 1: people from Team Chase. They both kind of got together. 642 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,120 Speaker 1: Team Chase called them and got permission from the Cold 643 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,440 Speaker 1: Case to search the area. Tracy Sargeant wasn't going to 644 00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,719 Speaker 1: bring the dogs out. Let me let me try to 645 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,400 Speaker 1: pay you down a little bit on this, leag And 646 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,080 Speaker 1: because you're you're waffling, are you familiar with that term? 647 00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,160 Speaker 1: Let me pitch you on cross this moment. Let's me 648 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:03,719 Speaker 1: just give you yes, no question, Lee, whose idea was 649 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,880 Speaker 1: it to get Tracy Sargeant's dog out there? It was 650 00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,480 Speaker 1: I believe tammy Child's and a couple of other ladies 651 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,120 Speaker 1: from and they would be from Team Change. Okay, who 652 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,680 Speaker 1: asked for permission to take the dog out there? Lee egan. 653 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:22,520 Speaker 1: Tammy Child's. Tammy Child's oh again again, Team Chase and 654 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,880 Speaker 1: then the Cold Case Unit, which I'm all for the 655 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,480 Speaker 1: Cold Case Unit. I'm glad we've got him. They gave permission. 656 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,600 Speaker 1: But who it's my understanding. Let me just say it, 657 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,800 Speaker 1: Team Chase got the dog out there. If it hadn't 658 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,560 Speaker 1: been for them. Tracy would not bring the dog out 659 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,759 Speaker 1: without police clearance. And I get it with me right now. 660 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,840 Speaker 1: Is a Team Chase member, Tammy childs Tammy, break it 661 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,400 Speaker 1: down for me. Give it to me in a nutshell, 662 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,160 Speaker 1: no waffling, no offensely what happened? How did you get 663 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,560 Speaker 1: the dog out there? Well, we had got some information, 664 00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:01,319 Speaker 1: and um, I noticed it wasn't same information that we 665 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:05,279 Speaker 1: had heard all this time for three years. And I 666 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:10,440 Speaker 1: called Daniel Wilkerson and we started researching at Daniel Wilkerson 667 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,680 Speaker 1: and Mary McMillan, and we found this guide that said 668 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,840 Speaker 1: that he had seen Chase in his backyard. Actually the 669 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:22,440 Speaker 1: old man had passed away, and Daniel talked to the 670 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:26,759 Speaker 1: wife and decided we needed to get the dogs. I 671 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:32,280 Speaker 1: called Tracy, he called Cold Case Unit and they agreed 672 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,800 Speaker 1: and they took over the search. Well, God bless them, 673 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:40,759 Speaker 1: God bless the Cold Case Unit one and all, and 674 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:46,600 Speaker 1: especially God bless Team Chase. So now we know, on 675 00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,840 Speaker 1: top of all those snaphews. Let me put it mildly, 676 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,520 Speaker 1: the Army sends the wrong records. Okay, you know what, 677 00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,839 Speaker 1: I can't even think about that right now. I gotta 678 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,640 Speaker 1: think about what we're doing now now we know it's 679 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:06,920 Speaker 1: Chase Masner's remain remains to you, Jessica Nol, NBC eleven Alive, 680 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:11,279 Speaker 1: what happens now? So right now the autopsy findings are 681 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:16,040 Speaker 1: pending um with a scientific investigation, so it could take 682 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,600 Speaker 1: another three weeks before we find out how he was 683 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,560 Speaker 1: actually killed, if we can find out, if we can 684 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,279 Speaker 1: determine that, because there's probably very little soft tissue, so 685 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,000 Speaker 1: it's gonna be difficult, I would think. And and here's 686 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,720 Speaker 1: the bottom line, Jessica Nol. He ain't going anywhere all right. 687 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:40,840 Speaker 1: The alleged purp, the friend air quote, air quote, Brad 688 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:45,279 Speaker 1: Clement is behind bars. He was apprehended walking across the 689 00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,400 Speaker 1: public's grocery store parking lot and put down on his 690 00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,920 Speaker 1: belly in the rain. I love that picture. And let 691 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,359 Speaker 1: me tell you something, Guys, looks are deceiving. I met 692 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,520 Speaker 1: with this guy in his hotel room and his flop 693 00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:03,200 Speaker 1: house for hours hours. He could not have been more affable, likable, 694 00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:07,200 Speaker 1: laid back. Of course, I couldn't help but notice that 695 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,279 Speaker 1: the moment I shut the door, he skipped, quit his 696 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,719 Speaker 1: job and skipped town. Was nowhere to be seen. When 697 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,360 Speaker 1: I brought up the idea of polygraph x nay on 698 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,520 Speaker 1: the polygraph anyway, it's very clear to me that he 699 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,680 Speaker 1: wanted no involvement in this, and he just couldn't get 700 00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,719 Speaker 1: out of my talking to him because I was right 701 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,239 Speaker 1: there in his room. There was nowhere to go. So 702 00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:30,600 Speaker 1: it was very likable and affable. But looks can be deceiving, 703 00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,640 Speaker 1: which you agree with that, Jessica. No, looks can be 704 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,279 Speaker 1: deceiving for sure. I mean, you just never know um 705 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:41,120 Speaker 1: who you're sitting next to um anymore. As a matter 706 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,480 Speaker 1: of fact, let me take you right back to that 707 00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:47,359 Speaker 1: moment when I was sitting on Brad Clement's unmade bed 708 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,120 Speaker 1: and he was spinning a yarn about what happened the 709 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:55,200 Speaker 1: day Chase Master went missing. Listen, he was cornered, he 710 00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,400 Speaker 1: had nowhere to go, he couldn't get away from me. Listen, 711 00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,960 Speaker 1: take me through what happened that when he goes missing. 712 00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,920 Speaker 1: I mean, it's really not that much like it's like 713 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,400 Speaker 1: everybody says, I like, change my story and all this stuff, 714 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,319 Speaker 1: but it's like that was like what I did that day, 715 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,239 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, that wasn't really anything to do 716 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:13,799 Speaker 1: with Chase. It was like you know, I ran a 717 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,080 Speaker 1: bunch of errings what I was doing, you know, most 718 00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,200 Speaker 1: time when I was fixing up my house, like he 719 00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:22,760 Speaker 1: was there that night and then you know, basically left 720 00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,760 Speaker 1: sometime between when I was coming back from the store 721 00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,600 Speaker 1: to when I started cooking, Like I mean, he had 722 00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,279 Speaker 1: to act like I mean that that's the only logical thing. 723 00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,080 Speaker 1: So we are waiting for the official cause of death. 724 00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,440 Speaker 1: If we can get one, it may be earned undetermined 725 00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:44,600 Speaker 1: by homicidal act. We'll see what the medical examiner will 726 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,799 Speaker 1: tell us. We are watching the case and bringing you 727 00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:51,000 Speaker 1: the latest Team Chase. Thank you not just for being 728 00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,439 Speaker 1: with us, there's four Team Team Chase members right now 729 00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,680 Speaker 1: on the line with me. God bless you, everybody, Tammy 730 00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:04,000 Speaker 1: Everyone Egan, Crime Online and Jessica Nol NBC eleven Alive 731 00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,560 Speaker 1: searching for justice. Nancy Grace cried, the story is signing off. 732 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:09,760 Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,