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Speaker 2: Today is Thursday, March seventh, and we are forty nine
Speaker 2: days away from the NFL Draft in Detroit, Michigan.
Speaker 3: Under fifty days to go.
Speaker 4: Until the futures of the NFL are decided across every
Speaker 4: thirty two of the organizations.
Speaker 2: Welcome into the Draft Show, presented by Miller Lte. We've
Speaker 2: got Zach Walchuck back in action. Congratulations, Daddy Walchuck's buddy.
Speaker 3: Congratulations to you as well.
Speaker 4: How about that just down here in the corner, just
Speaker 4: four babies new, got it, got it done.
Speaker 3: Look, hey, I guess you found out the triplets came.
Speaker 2: Yeah, alright, look this corner now it's mine between Nick,
Speaker 2: Zach and myself.
Speaker 4: Yep, there are four new babies the world. Congratulations Nick, well, John,
Speaker 4: good job, buddy.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.
Speaker 5: It's a blessing. She's amazing, Yeah, unbelievable, great stuff.
Speaker 4: And within forty eight hours of each other, we were
Speaker 4: just trying to line it up for draft time.
Speaker 2: Hey, she knew she's like, look, I was scheduled to
Speaker 2: come close to the draft, probably about two weeks before.
Speaker 2: I said, baby girl, can you come a little bit
Speaker 2: earlier so I'm in ample shape to make.
Speaker 5: Sure we can run those three days. Boom, good to go.
Speaker 6: Do one of the players cough on you or something?
Speaker 6: Did you catch something?
Speaker 2: Clearly something in the water.
Speaker 6: I don't even think it's in the water. I think
Speaker 6: it's airborne. How many kids that were born from the
Speaker 6: team and then outside of the.
Speaker 2: Same time within four days of waltsha and less than
Speaker 2: a week after ours were born? So yeah, yeah, airborne.
Speaker 5: Bennett my son who sophomore in Texas now, he was
Speaker 5: born three days after the four draft. And I remember
Speaker 5: Parcels asking me, He goes, you're gonna be here for
Speaker 5: that draft? I said, my kids being born, No, you
Speaker 5: could do this by yourself and he's like early. I'm like, yeah, really,
Speaker 5: it's my only kid, what what do you mean? But yeah,
Speaker 5: then it held off till the Uh. It's always funny.
Speaker 5: Draft weekend is uh is we celebrate after the drafts.
Speaker 5: That's awesome. So it's kind of cool. But congratulations to everybody,
Speaker 5: thank you. That's awful nice and it understood the sign.
Speaker 4: We've got Nick Harris, Brian brought us Asha Morrison. I'm
Speaker 4: Kyle Omens with Chris Beam in the back. And there's
Speaker 4: plenty to get to. We talked about the combine a
Speaker 4: lot on Tuesday. Most of that hay.
Speaker 2: Is now in the barn. Now you're looking ahead to
Speaker 2: thirty visits, you're looking ahead to Dallas Day, you're looking
Speaker 2: ahead to these these individual meetings with players, Brian, and
Speaker 2: this is a crucial time because now you have at
Speaker 2: least you would think all of the medical information.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you would have.
Speaker 2: Some guys some yeah, exactly, some measurements, some right, measurables
Speaker 2: across the board. Right now, it's about getting to know
Speaker 2: these guys from another level.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 5: And we're to the point now where everybody came back
Speaker 5: from the combine. You settled in. They'll start to get
Speaker 5: the number. Uh, they've got their own numbers. They'll get
Speaker 5: those plugged into their uh to their machines. Uh, they'll
Speaker 5: get all that, they'll get their tags ready for the
Speaker 5: meetings that are they're about to have.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the thirty visits. Those come pretty quickly, and
Speaker 5: then we start to the pro days. There's a lot
Speaker 5: of guys that probably want some doovers. On some runs,
Speaker 5: we'll start to see a bunch of guys have to
Speaker 5: do the shuttles, all those the ones there, all those
Speaker 5: guys that didn't want to do anything with the twenty
Speaker 5: shuttle or the three cone or any.
Speaker 3: Of that stuff.
Speaker 5: There'll be a lot of that going on right now.
Speaker 5: So it is it's a it's a really really really
Speaker 5: busy time and uh it it uh you know, like
Speaker 5: I say, you just kind of make sure you get
Speaker 5: all your information in. You get your information in, you
Speaker 5: get the information from the combine, the floor. Uh, those
Speaker 5: times you put those in and then it gives you
Speaker 5: the best opportunity, like say, your tags look clean and
Speaker 5: then when you start to meet boom, everything is ready
Speaker 5: to go.
Speaker 8: I think for the the biggest thing that you could
Speaker 8: love and scouting is context and data. Yeah, and Combine
Speaker 8: is huge for that because all of the unknowns that
Speaker 8: you have going into combine, you have most of them
Speaker 8: solved after coming out. So being able to add that contact,
Speaker 8: add that data, it just kind of helps make a
Speaker 8: better pick at the end of the day. I think
Speaker 8: over the course of the next month, this is when
Speaker 8: you really start to see the staffs really zone a
Speaker 8: zone in and hone in on some potential targets, whether
Speaker 8: that be in the first round or in the seventh round.
Speaker 8: I mean that's there's a big, big three day period
Speaker 8: there that they're gonna make picks and they're gonna be
Speaker 8: looking at targets for all those days.
Speaker 5: Well, it's the time too when there's draft meetings, and
Speaker 5: I mean, you guys would be just finding these draft
Speaker 5: meetings because your willingness to fight and argue and agree.
Speaker 5: And that's what it really comes down to. You know,
Speaker 5: you go in that room, you close the door, you
Speaker 5: watch the tape. There's some guys that go up on
Speaker 5: that board that you've never seen before, and you're thinking, like,
Speaker 5: wait a minute, that guy, that guy's way better than
Speaker 5: the guy I'm about to present. You know, see, you
Speaker 5: got to kind of have an idea. But again, it's
Speaker 5: about kind of challenging each other. And that's where your
Speaker 5: boards are really really good. And we always talked about
Speaker 5: don't window dress your board. You know, have an honest opinion,
Speaker 5: have an honest assessment, put the best grade you can
Speaker 5: on the guy. And usually your first view is your
Speaker 5: right view.
Speaker 3: You know, don't. I mean, I just encourage people.
Speaker 5: If you're doing this like you know we are, and
Speaker 5: putting things together, trust your first look. You know, don't
Speaker 5: sit there, well, guy, I ran really great at the combine.
Speaker 5: Hey I got to push him up or I got
Speaker 5: to take him down or whatever. No, trust your eyes,
Speaker 5: trust your film, trust what you've seen and be able
Speaker 5: to compare them to the other guys that you've seen.
Speaker 5: And that way, I'll tell you what you will. You'll
Speaker 5: help yourself at the end to have the absolute best
Speaker 5: board you could put together to the next point.
Speaker 6: This is the time where things start. Guys start to
Speaker 6: separate themselves.
Speaker 2: They do, our boards start.
Speaker 6: To make a little bit more sense than comparisons. But
Speaker 6: I did have a question for mostly you, Brian, but
Speaker 6: everybody can answer when I mean, okay, so some guys
Speaker 6: didn't want to perform, didn't want to do certain things
Speaker 6: at the combine, right, some guys do just want to
Speaker 6: do things at their pro day?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 6: Is there something to be said about the discomfort of
Speaker 6: the combine and how high pressure is and the position
Speaker 6: it puts you in. And because of course at the
Speaker 6: pro day, some of these guys are at the facilities
Speaker 6: they've been at their whole career or whatever the case
Speaker 6: may be. There's some comfort that comes with that. Do
Speaker 6: you think as a scout, as a former scout, you
Speaker 6: does that matter in the process to the fact that
Speaker 6: they didn't want to do the things in front of
Speaker 6: that way.
Speaker 5: You know what, it's a it's a great question because
Speaker 5: the guys, the quarterbacks that threw you appreciate because they're
Speaker 5: not comfortable with These receivers are thrown to. They're lined
Speaker 5: up out there because of alphabetical order their name to
Speaker 5: another wide receiver's name. So you might get a rotation
Speaker 5: of receivers that can make you look really good, and
Speaker 5: then some that are dropping everything in sight, you know,
Speaker 5: because of nerves or whatever. There is a level of
Speaker 5: that being uncomfortable with the combine, and a lot.
Speaker 3: Of players will tell you the way.
Speaker 5: That the combine it drags you. It drags you from
Speaker 5: here to here to hear. It's exhausting, and you don't sleep,
Speaker 5: your nervous and you know, and there's even even the
Speaker 5: scouts by the end of it, you're irritated, you know,
Speaker 5: because you're tired and you're grumpy, and you're sitting there
Speaker 5: thinking about Okay, Now I got to catch a plane
Speaker 5: out of here and have two connections to get home.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it is a it is a tough, tough thing.
Speaker 5: I we We've always done this though, even going back
Speaker 5: to the early nineties when I first started here. It
Speaker 5: you're still going to drive to Baton Rouge, You're still
Speaker 5: going to drive to Norman, Oklahoma, You're still going to
Speaker 5: drive to Austin, Texas. If these kids don't work out,
Speaker 5: that's fine. I'm still I'm gonna catch it. And if
Speaker 5: they want to work out in their environment.
Speaker 3: Fine, you know.
Speaker 5: But the guys that shine at the Combine, you kind
Speaker 5: of kind of see them in a little bit of
Speaker 5: a different light because now it's televised. Now there's crowd,
Speaker 5: now there's pressure, now there's those are the guys you're like,
Speaker 5: oh wow, big stage, that guy, Yeah yeah, that guy,
Speaker 5: that guy right there showed up in a big stage. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, And I trust me, I just want everybody
Speaker 5: at the Combine to do medical. That's why I got
Speaker 5: upset with the Caleb Williams thing. I just you know,
Speaker 5: if I was the Bears or one of these teams
Speaker 5: that's looking for a quarterback at two three four, five,
Speaker 5: whatever that spot is.
Speaker 3: I need that medical man.
Speaker 6: Isn't he Isn't he only doing it to the teams
Speaker 6: that are really interesting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but that's what I'm saying, team that wants to
Speaker 5: move up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: That's that's that's the problem I have. That's the problem.
Speaker 5: Like if I'm sitting there and I'm the Giants and
Speaker 5: I'm looking to move up for a quarterback and I'm
Speaker 5: gonna get all the way to one, and he's thinking, oh,
Speaker 5: you're picking six, I'm not going to see you, And
Speaker 5: I'm thinking, wait a minute, now, i might trade this
Speaker 5: thing up. And see that's where that's to me. I
Speaker 5: don't mind him not working out. I just need your
Speaker 5: medical man. I just need because we've we've done this before,
Speaker 5: we said it before. We've we've found heart conditions, we
Speaker 5: found back problems, we found broken.
Speaker 3: Foots, you know, feet, you know.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's that's what we've that's what we've done
Speaker 5: at the combine. And I need to know these things
Speaker 5: because my job's on the line here if I you know,
Speaker 5: if I but the problem with Caleb Wibbs now on
Speaker 5: his thirty visit, majority of that time is going to
Speaker 5: be spent him getting a physical and I and I
Speaker 5: said it today. It's not turning cough, you know, turn
Speaker 5: your head and cough. It's a pretty extensive physical that
Speaker 5: he is going.
Speaker 3: To have to go through.
Speaker 5: And so yeah, that's that's the He could have knocked
Speaker 5: that all out and we didn't. But you know what,
Speaker 5: we'll do what we have to do to get these
Speaker 5: players done right.
Speaker 2: Well, you think about the list of what players just
Speaker 2: have to go through at the combine too.
Speaker 5: You look at it all the way through.
Speaker 2: Because it's it's medicals, it's meetings, it's media, it's tough
Speaker 2: back and forth. It's tough all the ways through, and
Speaker 2: then you've got to work out with five hundred other prospects.
Speaker 2: It's not five hundred, I know, it's like three fifty,
Speaker 2: but it's still. Yeah's a ton of players that you're
Speaker 2: going up against.
Speaker 5: Whatever.
Speaker 3: It's a proda.
Speaker 2: You're in your own building, right The only thing you
Speaker 2: really have to worry about is getting to the facility,
Speaker 2: driving your own car, parking in your own parking spot,
Speaker 2: and then rushing or locker with with guys that you
Speaker 2: all know, and then turning around and talking to the media.
Speaker 2: For like ten minutes afterwards. That's the extent and the
Speaker 2: difference between the NFL combine and Pro Day's. If you
Speaker 2: can succeed in either category, you're the combine is going
Speaker 2: to carry more weight. But I don't think you should
Speaker 2: be knocked in.
Speaker 3: The combine was designed not to be easy. Yeah, it
Speaker 3: really was.
Speaker 5: If you look if yeah, if you look at it,
Speaker 5: if you look at now with the way it is
Speaker 5: on TV and the pressure these kids are under. Uh,
Speaker 5: but there's some kids that also can roll out of
Speaker 5: bed and run for four, right, There's some kids that
Speaker 5: can do that. It's the kids that that aren't sure
Speaker 5: that run four five six, that are wide receiver or
Speaker 5: running back that runs four seven to two.
Speaker 3: That's the problem.
Speaker 5: Now the pressure outres Now the pressure of your Pro
Speaker 5: Day turns into a But I've always said this, guys,
Speaker 5: if I really like a kid, I could get him
Speaker 5: running at thirty eight yards he's downhill, I could, I can,
Speaker 5: I can get him, I can fast.
Speaker 3: I get him fast enough for you if you want.
Speaker 2: All right, Bryan, speaking of guys that you like, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you've got a would you rather We played this a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago, two prospects on the board pretty
Speaker 2: tight in where they would be drafted.
Speaker 5: Would you rather have this guy or that guy?
Speaker 2: Where do you want to start things off?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I will start off with uh, how about with you
Speaker 5: Woolly Bully?
Speaker 3: Okay, and we'll go around.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna give you two names, and they're they're within
Speaker 5: the same position group, okay, And I'm trying to get
Speaker 5: him through the almost like similar players, maybe similar skill set,
Speaker 5: similar heightweight, But tell me who would you rather? The
Speaker 5: first one I'm gonna start with with you is is
Speaker 5: Javon Baker or Jalen McMillan. Javon Baker from Central Florida,
Speaker 5: Jalen McMillan from Washington. Who would you rather between those
Speaker 5: two wide receivers?
Speaker 2: I love both guys, but I've got j Mac higher
Speaker 2: on my stack than I do Javonne Baker. I watched
Speaker 2: Jalen McMillan and I just see like this dude's got it.
Speaker 2: He smooth, cerebral, the way he moves, Chris route runner,
Speaker 2: wins deep in immediate, shallow, explosive in the open field, shift,
Speaker 2: he has good burst, He's a playmaker, wins in the
Speaker 2: red zone. Don't see a lot of drops with him,
Speaker 2: can play him inside outside. I think he can be
Speaker 2: a third down weapon for you in a super competitor.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's a dude. If he didn't play at Washington,
Speaker 2: where you've got Roma Dunsay and also a Jalen Polk,
Speaker 2: all three tremendous, he'd have been a number one wide
Speaker 2: receiver at the majority of colleges in the nation. Now,
Speaker 2: Javon Baker is an outstanding player as well. His ability
Speaker 2: to go back shoulder is Das Bryant esque when you
Speaker 2: watch him play.
Speaker 5: I kind of looked at him.
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, he kind of reminds me of a
Speaker 2: blend of a Keenan McCardell and a Dad's Bryant wins
Speaker 2: off the line, He's a chunk player down the field.
Speaker 2: But I think Jalen McMillan can do more than Javon Baker.
Speaker 2: I've got a second round grade on j Mack. I
Speaker 2: think I'm higher on him than maybe some other people are.
Speaker 2: I absolutely love him. I think he's going to be
Speaker 2: an absolute stud.
Speaker 5: Baker. I've gotten the third So give me j Mack.
Speaker 3: How about you, Nick?
Speaker 8: Yeah, you look at the production that Jalen McMillan had
Speaker 8: in his junior year, and you kind of compare that
Speaker 8: with what Javon Baker was able to do in his
Speaker 8: senior year. You see a lot of similarities as far
Speaker 8: as how they were used in the offense, the trust
Speaker 8: that each of their quarterbacks had, and those guys during
Speaker 8: those seasons. The thing that separates Jalen McMillan for me
Speaker 8: as well is the experience playing with all of those
Speaker 8: guys that's an NFL offense, and I think that's gonna
Speaker 8: be something very unique that Michael Pennix will take away
Speaker 8: that Roma Dunza, Jalen Polk, all those guys, even Dylan
Speaker 8: Johnson at running back. I think that's a unique thing
Speaker 8: that all these guys will be able to take away
Speaker 8: from Washington, the fact that all these skill guys they're
Speaker 8: going to be playing at the next level, and whenever
Speaker 8: they get to that NFL level, there's not going to
Speaker 8: be a whole lot of adjusting that they're going to
Speaker 8: have to do. Whenever they look across the line, and
Speaker 8: you know, wide receiver four is as good as you are,
Speaker 8: you know, so I don't think there's gonna be a
Speaker 8: ton of adjusting that those guys will be able to do.
Speaker 8: I think these guys are very similar in what they
Speaker 8: bring to the table. I love what Javon Baker does.
Speaker 8: I'm glad you mentioned the back shoulder because body control
Speaker 8: is the thing that stood out absolutely. That's what I
Speaker 8: wrote down for him. So, I mean, he's a guy
Speaker 8: that you can trust in red zone, but also to
Speaker 8: stretch the field and be a vertical threat. But I
Speaker 8: think with Jalen McMillan, whenever he steps into an NFL team,
Speaker 8: I think he'll be a little bit more ready than
Speaker 8: what Javon Baker will will do. Even though Javon Baker
Speaker 8: started his career at Alabama, I still feel that way
Speaker 8: with Jaalen mcmill is that a byproduct.
Speaker 4: Just based off of the fact that he's seen more
Speaker 4: or a higher level of competition and succeeded against it
Speaker 4: more recently than what Baker has.
Speaker 2: Yeah, correct, Okay.
Speaker 6: Interesting when I look at Jalen McMillan, I noticed his
Speaker 6: long strides just kind of how his releases are. I
Speaker 6: do think the route running is just a little bit
Speaker 6: more refined from Javon Baker. In my opinion, I think
Speaker 6: his releases are just a little bit more fluid. But
Speaker 6: from McMillan, I'm so glad y'all brought up the body
Speaker 6: control and being the contested catches, the tight window catches.
Speaker 6: I mean Jesus that Pennix really trusted McMillian says something.
Speaker 6: Some of those throws that he made him were tight windows.
Speaker 6: He had to have strong hands and he climbs the ladder.
Speaker 6: You guys talked about the back shoulder thing, So for
Speaker 6: me it would be it would be McMillan, But I
Speaker 6: would be only because even though his frame was a
Speaker 6: little lighter, do you think they would maybe want to
Speaker 6: put a little bit more weight on him.
Speaker 8: Yeah, probably so, And I think that's same to be
Speaker 8: said for a lot of these guys.
Speaker 10: Too.
Speaker 6: He could definitely use a little bit more size as well.
Speaker 6: I will say I feel like I feel like a
Speaker 6: McMillan is a little bit more willing as a blocker
Speaker 6: as well on the outside than Javon Bakers, And I
Speaker 6: think that stands out when you look at some of
Speaker 6: the better offenses in the league. They want guys that
Speaker 6: can block on the outside as well.
Speaker 8: Yeah, he was asked to do a lot more that
Speaker 8: this past season than he was as a junior. I
Speaker 8: think it's it's very interesting how he was used as
Speaker 8: a junior versus how he was used as a senior,
Speaker 8: because you see two different sides to McMillan's game, and
Speaker 8: I think that makes him a little bit more versatile for.
Speaker 7: The next level.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, and also too, did he deal with some injuries
Speaker 6: this past.
Speaker 2: Year, Yes, he did.
Speaker 8: He missed a few games just kind of in and out.
Speaker 8: It was right there in that middle stretch where they
Speaker 8: were playing like usc Utah Organ, like right there in
Speaker 8: a row, and he was in and out of those games.
Speaker 8: And that's when more trust started to get involved with
Speaker 8: Ramadoonza and Jalen Polk And then by the time he
Speaker 8: had come back, I mean, still a big part of
Speaker 8: that offense. But you got a wide receiver one and
Speaker 8: a wide receiver one A.
Speaker 2: He could be that wide receiver one B Pennix. Penix's
Speaker 2: numbers went down without him in there. Yes, And to
Speaker 2: me that's also something you look at and say, hey,
Speaker 2: you got two other stud receivers without Jalen McMillan, that
Speaker 2: offense didn't run as well.
Speaker 8: If you don't trust Jalen McMillan, viewers, I mean feel
Speaker 8: free you have your own opinion. Go watch it, Go
Speaker 8: watch that junior season wherever he was the That's what I.
Speaker 6: Was about to say if you were worried about, especially
Speaker 6: since he did have some injuries in that key time
Speaker 6: that you mentioned, Nick, I went out and went and
Speaker 6: watched twenty twenty two of him. I watched quite a
Speaker 6: bit from him there, and I was like, oh, Okay,
Speaker 6: that's that's what I'm looking out there. Okay, cool. So yeah,
Speaker 6: I would go with McMillan as well, But I do
Speaker 6: think Javon Baker is going to be a good player
Speaker 6: for wherever he goes.
Speaker 2: The only reason I would go mc millan over Javon
Speaker 2: Baker is the fact that the calling card for Baker
Speaker 2: out of UCF was his straight line speed. It was
Speaker 2: what he could do in a straight line, his vertical
Speaker 2: ability to separate at the second level.
Speaker 4: And then he comes up and he runs the four
Speaker 4: or five four. I mean, it's one of those things,
Speaker 4: like you said, Ian, you trust your first look. He's
Speaker 4: got it on tape. The speed is there, the separation
Speaker 4: is there. But then he comes out and he runs
Speaker 4: and he doesn't perform at the combine. Do you knock
Speaker 4: him enough for that, I'm not gonna knock him a ton,
Speaker 4: But in terms of what Polk is and a trustworthy prospect,
Speaker 4: I think I'm going with Polk over McMillan, or excuse me,
Speaker 4: McMillan over Polk.
Speaker 3: Baker, Baker, Baker.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm looking at it.
Speaker 5: You know what I look at Baker, I look at
Speaker 5: the other Washington receivers. You know, when I look at Baker,
Speaker 5: I see Jalen Tolbert out of South Alabama when he
Speaker 5: came out.
Speaker 3: I see, that's what he looks like to me. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I can see exactly what I think. He's better twenty catches.
Speaker 5: Maybe not the speediest guy, big, bigger body guy kind
Speaker 5: of going up and getting the ball.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 3: I kind of feel like that's if Jay.
Speaker 5: He reminded me of the way Jalen Tolbert played a
Speaker 5: little bit South Alabama releases. No it doesn't, I mean,
Speaker 5: because Jalen Tolbert in college was damn good.
Speaker 2: Yea, he was.
Speaker 3: He's a strong handed guy.
Speaker 5: I mean the production was there with Baker.
Speaker 3: I mean, you look at the.
Speaker 6: Big twelve and this guy slight production.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so how about this next one? And uh, Nick,
Speaker 5: we'll go with you on this one. Okay, listen to
Speaker 5: the receiver combination Ricky Pearsall or Roman Wilson. Yeah, this
Speaker 5: is Ricky Pearsall, Florida, Roman Wilson, Michigan.
Speaker 8: This one's fun because I actually we were talking about
Speaker 8: on Tuesday guys I had to go back and watch
Speaker 8: and yeah, one of those guys this week has been
Speaker 8: Ricky Pearsall, and man, he's so much fun. He covered
Speaker 8: he can be a threat from sideline to sideline, in
Speaker 8: between the hashes on the boundary, line him up anywhere.
Speaker 8: He can make things happen. But the same could be
Speaker 8: said for Roman Wilson. And I think when I was
Speaker 8: able to compare those two guys side by side at
Speaker 8: the Senior Bowl, Roman Wilson was who stood out to
Speaker 8: me more at that point from a change of direction,
Speaker 8: from a fluid movement ability, being able to separate at
Speaker 8: the top of his routes. But when you look at Pearsall,
Speaker 8: there's a little bit more body control. Whenever the ball's
Speaker 8: in the air, there's a little bit more a fight
Speaker 8: and a little bit more aggression of physicality. He's bigger
Speaker 8: and that's a byproduct of that.
Speaker 5: I thought Roman Wilson was a guy, and then they
Speaker 5: measured him and he wasn't say.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's got these thys. He's not tiny,
Speaker 8: he's got these thyes that are like a nack yea
Speaker 8: yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: But for me, Oatmeal guy.
Speaker 8: For me, it's really close. But I give the edge
Speaker 8: to Wilson just because of that separation ability. I'm always
Speaker 8: going to take separation over physicality for me. That's that's
Speaker 8: at the receiver position. That's what I would rather have.
Speaker 8: You look at some of the top receivers that are
Speaker 8: in the league right now, and who is consistent Tyreek
Speaker 8: Hills separation guy, and he's consistent. You look at a
Speaker 8: guy like DK Metcalf, physicality guy, probably not as consistent.
Speaker 8: And I see a lot more consistency in the NFL
Speaker 8: right now with separation guys rather than physicality guys. As
Speaker 8: a result, I'll give the edge to Roman Wilson. But
Speaker 8: I think I think Pearcell is being undervalued. I think
Speaker 8: he is in this draft.
Speaker 5: Rely, Bully, what do you got man? This was a
Speaker 5: tough one for me.
Speaker 2: Uh So, we actually talked about this a couple weeks ago,
Speaker 2: and I went lad McConkie over Roman Wilson. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go Roman Wilson here slightly over Ricky Pearsall, And the
Speaker 2: reason is it's the blocking. And I usually just brought
Speaker 2: that up second ago. Roman Wilson is an outstanding blocker,
Speaker 2: and to me, that sets him a part in this. Now,
Speaker 2: both of these guys can get open. You see the separation.
Speaker 2: I think Pearsall might have some of the better deep speed.
Speaker 2: He has one of the best catches I think you'll
Speaker 2: ever see. I think it was against Charlotte. He goes
Speaker 2: up there one hand and he just plucks this thing
Speaker 2: out of the sky.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think both are pretty solid route runners. But Roman
Speaker 2: Wilson's a track and field guy. But the blocking, to me,
Speaker 2: his returnability, he's physical. I think he's got a little
Speaker 2: bit more physicality in his game. Adjust well. I saw
Speaker 2: some third down production from Roman Wilson.
Speaker 11: I like.
Speaker 2: I think both of these guys are good players, like
Speaker 2: the way that Pearsall can adjust the tracks the ball
Speaker 2: in the air. Both have really good, strong natural hands.
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna go Wilson just a smidgeon ahead of
Speaker 2: Ricky Piersoll here.
Speaker 4: I'm glad you brought that up because whenever it comes
Speaker 4: to Roman Wilson. He is the smaller prospect, but he's
Speaker 4: the more physical of the two, which is really interesting
Speaker 4: to me. They're both very good in the finesse game.
Speaker 4: But whenever I look at Roman Wilson, I see Marvin
Speaker 4: Mims from last year. That's what I see as a
Speaker 4: player who.
Speaker 2: Has some physicality to him, a little bit of beef.
Speaker 5: He's not a big but he's wide and he can
Speaker 5: go make the contested catch.
Speaker 4: Whereas Ricky Pearsall, I'm not saying they compare on the
Speaker 4: same talent level, but he's Jackson Smith and jigbu Well.
Speaker 2: I think Wilson a couple of guys that are finess
Speaker 2: like the catch radious might be a little bit better
Speaker 2: for Wilson. It is Pearsol yeah, and Pearsall has better
Speaker 2: body control, yeah, and better ability to go up against
Speaker 2: the defender. Sure, it's it's apples and origins, it's it's
Speaker 2: flavors of ice cream. But for me, I think I
Speaker 2: would take Roman Wilson with an edge up.
Speaker 3: I put a mid.
Speaker 2: Second on Roman Wilson and Pearsaw is like a late second,
Speaker 2: so they're right there with me.
Speaker 7: Interesting, what do you got?
Speaker 3: I issue?
Speaker 8: It's like apples and green apples.
Speaker 3: Apples and green apples. It's true, it's not oranges.
Speaker 2: Shore Yeah, no, no, you're good.
Speaker 8: I got off the track.
Speaker 6: That's okay. No, interesting, because I really felt like that
Speaker 6: Roman Wilson because of the physicality aspect of it. I
Speaker 6: felt like he could get jammed at the line sometimes.
Speaker 6: I felt like he couldn't get off a press consistently
Speaker 6: as consistently as what I felt like Ricky did, so
Speaker 6: to me that that might be the only thing, and
Speaker 6: also to the return ability does make Roman will send
Speaker 6: a little bit more appealing from that aspect. I don't
Speaker 6: know if Ricky, if that's something that Ricky did, Nick,
Speaker 6: is that something that he's done before.
Speaker 8: I couldn't speak to that.
Speaker 6: Well, Taters, well, I have the speed.
Speaker 5: I feel like maybe Pearsall was an.
Speaker 6: Okay, that's good to know. But as far as the
Speaker 6: like I said, it's just interesting to me because we
Speaker 6: did talk about the route running and I personally think
Speaker 6: that Ricky is one of the best route runners in
Speaker 6: this draft as just a pure feel understanding how to
Speaker 6: get guys to open up their hips things like that.
Speaker 6: But I did feel like Roman at times if he
Speaker 6: didn't win the first step and if he didn't win
Speaker 6: the physical, like the physical part of the bump and run,
Speaker 6: could you know, be taken off his spot a bit.
Speaker 6: And with Ricky, I just think he's just a little
Speaker 6: bit more elusive and just a little bit more fluid.
Speaker 6: You mentioned the body control. I think that there's a
Speaker 6: little bit more there. So for me, I think I
Speaker 6: might go Ricky.
Speaker 5: I didn't even talk to him about that, so that
Speaker 5: everything everything she said, I was just kind of sitting
Speaker 5: there nodding to myself. You think Ricky gets off the
Speaker 5: line better too? Is that the big thing for you?
Speaker 7: Man?
Speaker 5: I tell you what, this guy he's got quickness. I
Speaker 5: think he's got speed. I think he makes really sharp cuts.
Speaker 5: I think he gets the defender off balance. I think
Speaker 5: he'll I think he the circus catches. We talked about,
Speaker 5: there's few receivers in this draft that he did have
Speaker 5: the skill that this guy has catching the football. They're
Speaker 5: both these fun players to watch, yeah, because when you
Speaker 5: get him the ball, generally good things happen. And you
Speaker 5: can watch Roman Wilson watch the Alabama game and watch
Speaker 5: how he wins that game for Michigan. Watch how he
Speaker 5: takes himself he absolutely did so.
Speaker 3: But do you two are wrong? Over there?
Speaker 2: For guy, they're both play I mean all four of
Speaker 2: the receivers were talked about.
Speaker 5: I like them all. How are we doing a break?
Speaker 3: We're good. Let's go one more and then we'll Okay, Okay,
Speaker 3: start with you on this one.
Speaker 5: How about this one, Let's do it? Okay, Ray running
Speaker 5: back Kentucky Blake Koram Michigan running back.
Speaker 4: See it's funny because all of these top to bottom.
Speaker 4: I think this is the easiest one out of all
Speaker 4: of them. We're taking Blake Coorum from Michigan every day
Speaker 4: of the week.
Speaker 2: And here's why. Ray Davis is a good runner, runs
Speaker 2: through arm tackles. He's a reliable target in the passing game.
Speaker 2: You're going to have him.
Speaker 3: Hold on to the football.
Speaker 2: He had just one fumble in his twenty twenty three season.
Speaker 5: I like the way he runs the rock.
Speaker 4: He is a reliable ball carrier, but he's not a
Speaker 4: playmaker like Blake Koram. Korum is slippery. Whenever he gets
Speaker 4: to the second level. He gets to the second level
Speaker 4: with ease.
Speaker 2: He's got great vision, his inateability and balance, his low
Speaker 2: center of gravity at five foot eleven the way he
Speaker 2: can spin out of tackles and then still have that
Speaker 2: power running ability that Ray Davis.
Speaker 4: Has because he can go right through some arm tackles
Speaker 4: just like Davis can. And he was the playmaker on
Speaker 4: that Michigan team, especially when they needed it. You talked
Speaker 4: about the Alabama game. He had the best run of
Speaker 4: the year against that Alabama defense, barreling through multiple levels
Speaker 4: of defenders and then finding the end zone, getting to
Speaker 4: the pylon inside the Rose Bowl to send them to
Speaker 4: the National Championship game. I think he is the number
Speaker 4: maybe two three running back in the class, and I
Speaker 4: have Ray Davis more like talk that talk at seven
Speaker 4: down there.
Speaker 2: I really like Ray Davis. He's a reliable, reliable ball
Speaker 2: carrier and he's going to be a great number two.
Speaker 2: Blake Koram is going to be a number one in
Speaker 2: an NFL offense.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm with you, ditto completely. I've compared. I've compared
Speaker 8: to Blake korum On here to Kien Williams, and I
Speaker 8: think there's a very similar skill set there as far
Speaker 8: as what he could do as being even though he's
Speaker 8: five foot eight, being a downhill runner and he's got
Speaker 8: ability between the tackles. Does Ray Davis bring those same
Speaker 8: type of abilities? Absolutely? Is He probably just as physical. Absolutely.
Speaker 8: We talk about the playmaking element and being able to
Speaker 8: be consistent in those short yard situations, the receiving element.
Speaker 8: I say quorum here. It's not by much though. Ray
Speaker 8: Davis is flying up my board. He is, but I'm
Speaker 8: taking Korum.
Speaker 3: Go for it, Willie. Ray Davis.
Speaker 5: Really, Ray Davis is one of my pet cats. I
Speaker 5: love the kid.
Speaker 2: If you watch Ray Davis, hean's Florida. It's one of
Speaker 2: the most dominant games that you will see from a
Speaker 2: running back. He just destroyed the Florida Gators. And it's
Speaker 2: it's not only on the ground, it's in the passing
Speaker 2: game as well. And this dude will go down the
Speaker 2: field and run some routes as a wide receiver. Blake
Speaker 2: Korum is maxed out. The player that you are getting, No,
Speaker 2: he is the player who are getting. Blake Korum is
Speaker 2: smaller than Ray Davis. They're both good that they both
Speaker 2: have the production and ray Davis actually more carries than
Speaker 2: Blake Korum and that's enough for me. I think Ray
Speaker 2: Davis is going to be a better pro. I see
Speaker 2: more upside. I think pass protection is going to be
Speaker 2: a little bit better with Ray Davis. I think he's
Speaker 2: got more receipient upside than Blake Korum does. I think
Speaker 2: both as runners are very comparable when it comes to
Speaker 2: their short area quickness, their physicality. They play behind their pads,
Speaker 2: they can break tackles, they can row through, run through
Speaker 2: a mofo's face. I love Blake Koram. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to knock this dog, but I got
Speaker 2: to show some love to Ray Davis. Him and Jalen
Speaker 2: Wright are my two pet running back cats. I will
Speaker 2: stand on the table for you, Ray, Ray, I got.
Speaker 5: You, bro.
Speaker 6: What do you think about.
Speaker 2: Speed between Ray Davis Ray Davis? I think it's better
Speaker 2: long speed than Blake Orn.
Speaker 3: But I think I think so too.
Speaker 6: That's the difference to me, yeah, is that I think
Speaker 6: the long speed is just a little bit more. There
Speaker 6: are a lot of they're a lot of the same
Speaker 6: guy dog Like. I'm watching them and I'm looking and
Speaker 6: I'm like I said, holy receiving quality, because that's right.
Speaker 6: But I feel like Blake is the same way is
Speaker 6: that he can wrap you up, he can get open,
Speaker 6: he can do things like that. He's not afraid the
Speaker 6: lowest shoulder. That was my knock on Blake to start.
Speaker 6: Until we talk to some guys at the Shrine Bowl,
Speaker 6: I didn't know, like this is a physical dude, like
Speaker 6: people players have said, when he hits you or contact
Speaker 6: Corn Blake Korm, you can feel him and even with
Speaker 6: his frame, maybe you don't think that, but I was corrected.
Speaker 6: You know, you got me in check. So I'm on
Speaker 6: the fence.
Speaker 7: I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: I'm watching all twenty two of him against Florida. In
Speaker 4: this game, you said he took over and he just
Speaker 4: dropped the pass in the end, he dropped.
Speaker 5: Touchdown.
Speaker 3: Watch the full game.
Speaker 6: Seriously.
Speaker 5: I think one of them is a fire hydrant and
Speaker 5: the other is one of those old steel mailboxes, you know,
Speaker 5: like the big mailbox, Davis. They're they're both. I got
Speaker 5: this because they're both the same height. Basically, they're both
Speaker 5: the same I'll tell you what though. The thing that
Speaker 5: that just it's the speed, it's the finish, it's the
Speaker 5: you see Korm get caught and that kind of like
Speaker 5: I'm thinking, dude, you're five eight, you gotta go, And
Speaker 5: so I feel like he's gonna have to split time
Speaker 5: that's the difference to me, I do I.
Speaker 3: Feel like, but I tell you that's why I brought him.
Speaker 2: So you think Korm has to split fun.
Speaker 3: I think Kor is gonna have to split time.
Speaker 6: I think it's gonna be for his best interest to
Speaker 6: split time the way Michigan ran the ball with When
Speaker 6: you look at Ray Davis, you can say he had
Speaker 6: as many just as many kids.
Speaker 3: Three schools.
Speaker 6: Are they going power? Yeah, like Michigan goes.
Speaker 3: Power Michigan when he's the Chargers. You know both.
Speaker 5: So anyway, all right, so we've gotten through three.
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Speaker 2: At some point we got to Kyler Cross asked the
Speaker 2: question which positions of need are you comfortable going into
Speaker 2: the season young at via the draft? Not addressing it
Speaker 2: at all during free agency, but where do you feel
Speaker 2: like which ones they're going to go young at, which
Speaker 2: ones they go old at? Whenever they go into the season,
Speaker 2: Brian kind.
Speaker 5: Of feel like that, you know, they're either going to
Speaker 5: play with a new center or play with a new
Speaker 5: left tackle, So those might be, you know, positions even
Speaker 5: if they don't draft a tackle, and maybe they like
Speaker 5: awesome Richards, maybe that's the start that they want to
Speaker 5: go with. That's still a young guy right there. So Yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm comfortable, Yeah, comfortable when they plug and play guys
Speaker 5: these offensive line and we say it a bunch, they
Speaker 5: have a really good history with this. So I'm totally
Speaker 5: okay with the center, and I'll be totally okay with
Speaker 5: a left tackle whoever they draft.
Speaker 2: Do you ask the question again, where do you feel
Speaker 2: like this team going into free agency?
Speaker 3: We think horse Ducks go young or go old.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about right for this question, where do you
Speaker 2: feel like they would go old at or go young
Speaker 2: at whenever they go into the season.
Speaker 6: I think you got to get younger at d N.
Speaker 6: And not that the guys d N aren't young. I
Speaker 6: just think you've seen what they are most of the
Speaker 6: depth pieces, Fowler, Drin's Armstrong, Like these guys, I think
Speaker 6: that we have a good grasp of like who who
Speaker 6: they are as players. So I do think that maybe
Speaker 6: going into the draft you might want to get younger there. Probably.
Speaker 6: I mean Tank has had his best season this past year,
Speaker 6: but I think he's had in a long time. But
Speaker 6: he is getting older.
Speaker 5: They might have to go young at defensive tackle if
Speaker 5: you think about with Masie and then also too, the
Speaker 5: one that I'm kind of still waiting on and maybe.
Speaker 3: I'm running out of waiting on is Golston.
Speaker 6: Oh no, yeah, move him to d N.
Speaker 8: Please him.
Speaker 3: I feel bad for him.
Speaker 5: I feel bad for him because I feel like he's
Speaker 5: a good player that's they're trying to kind of figure
Speaker 5: out where he needs to play.
Speaker 3: And it's probably screwing him up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's frustrating because you've seen good flashes from Shauncey Golston,
Speaker 2: like he definitely has potential to be a good player.
Speaker 2: I think just to be different on this, because I
Speaker 2: agree with you on tackle and center, I'll go running back.
Speaker 2: I think that that that running back room is going
Speaker 2: to be very very young, and I think that that's
Speaker 2: a room that that's okay. I think you've seen that
Speaker 2: be successful in the NFL, where these kids can come
Speaker 2: in and be productive immediately.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I running back was my answer. Also linebacker as well.
Speaker 7: Yea.
Speaker 8: Honestly, I feel like every position of needs that you
Speaker 8: look at every position, it's going to be young.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's going to be I think the changing in
Speaker 2: the last seven days of the quote unquote all in
Speaker 2: approach perspective, it's completely shifted.
Speaker 4: I think it's completely shifted to back what it has
Speaker 4: been recently. They're gonna draft, they're gonna draft, have you,
Speaker 4: They're gonna draft a lot of prospects.
Speaker 2: That's going to be the all in approach with That's
Speaker 2: just kind of the feeling I get with.
Speaker 6: The running back conversation. Obviously, you know there's some talks
Speaker 6: that maybe Tony Pollard could come back. I know that
Speaker 6: people say that running backs the easiest transition for these
Speaker 6: college players and stuff. But this past season, this is
Speaker 6: a new offense, you know, and Tony has just gotten
Speaker 6: introduced to it. They even changed a lot of their
Speaker 6: pass pro sets for the running backs. Is that something?
Speaker 6: I mean, this is a passing lead, you know. I
Speaker 6: do understand that going young is it. Guys can't adapt
Speaker 6: in things like that. But when you talk about a
Speaker 6: new scheme being implemented the year before, does that change
Speaker 6: anything or matter? I guess I'm asking, like, Tony being
Speaker 6: here is gonna possibly be in here? Could be beneficial
Speaker 6: for a young player or do you think you should
Speaker 6: just go completely young and it'll be okay?
Speaker 3: I think you're right. I mean, I think it could
Speaker 3: be beneficial.
Speaker 2: I think that we've talked about that a lot on
Speaker 2: our show, Brian, where having a veteran in that room
Speaker 2: still makes a lot of sense. Specifically the improvements that
Speaker 2: Tony Pollard's made as a pass protector. I think that's
Speaker 2: one thing though, when we've been looking at these running backs,
Speaker 2: like whether it's Trey Benson from Florida, state. I mentioned
Speaker 2: Ray Davis from Kentucky, Jalen Right from Tennessee. That's one
Speaker 2: thing where I am I'm elevating some of these guys
Speaker 2: to thinking they can be three down players because of
Speaker 2: how they are in past protection. Because if you do
Speaker 2: end up having to be that role where this rookie
Speaker 2: comes in, maybe you're not able to afford to Tony
Speaker 2: Pollard or some of these bigger named veterans in free
Speaker 2: agency and bring him back.
Speaker 3: You're gonna have to rely on that guy. Can't he
Speaker 3: come in day one and be a three down player?
Speaker 3: And I think those running backs can be. I don't think.
Speaker 5: I don't think we're ever going to see a group
Speaker 5: of running backs and free agency as good as this one.
Speaker 3: The group and the thing about it is my.
Speaker 5: Fear, and this is I think it covers what I
Speaker 5: issue was saying coaches will always bring back what they
Speaker 5: feel comfortable with, and they don't maybe they don't want
Speaker 5: maybe they want a young guy to learn behind Pollard
Speaker 5: and stuff like that. We've learned that we have that
Speaker 5: Pollard needs somebody to carry the load with him on that.
Speaker 5: I wish that they would go out and sign a
Speaker 5: veteran guy. Other than Tony Pollard. Interesting and I wish
Speaker 5: they would draft a guy. And but to your point,
Speaker 5: coaches will do things that they're familiar with. You know,
Speaker 5: this coach is potentially in his last year. You know,
Speaker 5: he's going to go with players that he feels like
Speaker 5: can help him potentially keep his job. And Pollard makes
Speaker 5: a lot of sense because of front office familiarity, and
Speaker 5: then also to the fact that he's come out and
Speaker 5: said he's willing to take less money.
Speaker 3: That's that's music to Stephen Jones's.
Speaker 2: Ears, music to the salary cap Here is there if
Speaker 2: you bring back Tony Pollard and you bring in a
Speaker 2: talented draft pick.
Speaker 6: Sure, I'll talk about from a free agent standpoint, you guys,
Speaker 6: I guess I know we can't go super deep into it,
Speaker 6: but are there there's maybe a free agent running back
Speaker 6: outside of Tony poll that you think is an upgrade?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, there would be. I think there's absolutely some upgrades.
Speaker 5: I mean, person, we talked about this, yes show on
Speaker 5: the break, So Derek, we you know we were talking
Speaker 5: about Yeah, we're talking about names.
Speaker 3: I know what you're doing. I did the same thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, just in case we can't mention it because we
Speaker 5: can be freely on the fan.
Speaker 3: We cannot be here.
Speaker 5: Jacobs from the Raiders, I would absolutely love that type
Speaker 5: of guy. Guy could catch it, guy that could block,
Speaker 5: guy that could run.
Speaker 3: It's tough off guy. It's sixteen hundred yards.
Speaker 8: Absolutely, I think perfect.
Speaker 3: I think we all love the Josh Jacobs. I just
Speaker 3: don't know realistic. I know, that's what I'm saying. That's
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I would love this team to sit there and say,
Speaker 5: you know what if I guess if they're going to
Speaker 5: spend money, go spend it on a linebacker, you know,
Speaker 5: and then but is.
Speaker 2: That the position I think we'd all want, Like if
Speaker 2: if you had to sacrifice as a linebacker, I would.
Speaker 6: Rather Yeah, I would rather them spend the money, bring
Speaker 6: back Tony and then bring back and then draft a guide.
Speaker 6: Then to not address linebacker in free agency, I find.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just feel like with the running back, every
Speaker 4: time I hear the term spend money, I just don't
Speaker 4: think they're going to spend money.
Speaker 6: How can they not feel the urgency to spend money.
Speaker 2: I don't right now, they don't listen, they just haven't
Speaker 2: made those movies. Yeah, they've They've opened it up yet
Speaker 2: it's not going to be.
Speaker 3: I just don't know right now.
Speaker 6: I hope so this next week it's going to be important.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's going to be.
Speaker 3: The next question.
Speaker 4: You can there next question. All right, this is from
Speaker 4: Berner Cowboys Berner twenty two. So you know it's gonna
Speaker 4: be a fun one. Please which scenario would you feel
Speaker 4: more comfortable with going into this first round drafting Memes,
Speaker 4: Geiton or Morgan So one of those left tackles to
Speaker 4: be your starting left tackle replacement, Yes, while TJ. Bass
Speaker 4: and brock Hoffman compete for the starting center position. That's
Speaker 4: that's option one. The second option is drafting Graham Barton
Speaker 4: to be the starting center out of Duke while Tyler
Speaker 4: moves to left tackle and TJ. Bass starts at left guard.
Speaker 8: Give me option one. There's too much moving in that
Speaker 8: second option. I think they could figure it out with TJ.
Speaker 8: Bass or brock Hoffman at center. But if you have
Speaker 8: a guy like Marius Mems at left tackle, that's going
Speaker 8: to solve a lot of problems for you. And they're
Speaker 8: an option two. You're moving around a lot of guys.
Speaker 8: That's a couple of different starters that you're gonna have
Speaker 8: to throw in at different positions. Give me option one.
Speaker 3: There ten times if the center was the Oregon one.
Speaker 2: Yes, Sam Jackson powers Johnson.
Speaker 3: Okay, so.
Speaker 6: Do you not feel that strongly he won a center.
Speaker 8: Option and moving Tyler at the left tackle. That's that's
Speaker 8: where it gets difficult for me.
Speaker 5: And I understand and they're probably not going to do it.
Speaker 5: But to me, I I'm dying at center.
Speaker 3: I'm dying. I'm watching all these teams. I usually told
Speaker 3: the other day, look at all the teams in the
Speaker 3: final four.
Speaker 5: What they all do.
Speaker 3: It's fat ass centers run the football.
Speaker 5: It's fat. Yeah. Yeah, you need to be able to
Speaker 5: you know, all your tackles, all those tackles you mentioned, Yes, yes,
Speaker 5: bring them, bring them, bring them now. I mean it's
Speaker 5: just fun.
Speaker 2: Because I locked this up in our text, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: is it easier to take your center in the first
Speaker 2: round and then you can circle back and get your tackle,
Speaker 2: or is it easier to take your tackle and then
Speaker 2: you can circle back and get your center. I'd argue,
Speaker 2: I think center stretch is better than the tackle.
Speaker 6: I agree in particular, yes.
Speaker 2: Say the center stretch better than I think because I
Speaker 2: don't know I don't. I'm not as high on some
Speaker 2: of these other tackles that are going to and he's
Speaker 2: higher on some of these centers. I like Bowlimmer. I
Speaker 2: think I could buy in on a Cedric Van Pryan
Speaker 2: right some of these other centers.
Speaker 4: I think Zach Frazier could stretch to the second around
Speaker 4: Zack Frazier Westerginia.
Speaker 3: Because of the injury with the leg. Maybe Paswap Minnesota.
Speaker 3: I can, yeah, we can do.
Speaker 2: I think you're better off at twenty four taking your tackle,
Speaker 2: whether it's mems, your guiding whoever they want to take there,
Speaker 2: and then you circle back at fifty six, or if
Speaker 2: you want to move up to your point if you
Speaker 2: get a pick swap, I think you can address center,
Speaker 2: maybe even in the third round if you wanted to.
Speaker 6: I agree, And I also think that there's some offensive
Speaker 6: linemen that are guards that maybe you can move to center.
Speaker 6: There are a few that are later down. I think
Speaker 6: the guards are a little bit more rich, and those
Speaker 6: middle rounds, there's some guys that we even have the
Speaker 6: pleasure to see at the Shrine Bowl. Then maybe, But
Speaker 6: as far as the question goes, I'm gonna go with
Speaker 6: the first off option. Because even though I think TJ.
Speaker 6: Bass is capable of being a starter, I the depth
Speaker 6: on your offensive line is valuable. Like we've seen it.
Speaker 6: We've seen it too much in this league in the
Speaker 6: past couple of years. How many injuries have been taking
Speaker 6: place and things like that. And I'm like, if you
Speaker 6: have an adequate backup center, if you have an adequate
Speaker 6: backup guard, yo, don't I understand that they you want
Speaker 6: to push them to a starter that can maybe be
Speaker 6: an eventual thing. But sense having that depth is so
Speaker 6: valuable and knowing for a fact that when he comes
Speaker 6: in there, you're not about to have to change your
Speaker 6: game plan. You don't have to change around everything for him.
Speaker 6: I just it's invaluable. And as far as Tyler Smith goes, respectfully, cut.
Speaker 5: This out, bro, Like, let this kid him where he's
Speaker 5: going to be.
Speaker 6: I think that his versatility is valuable and it's something
Speaker 6: that we love. But at some point in time, we
Speaker 6: got to ask ourselves if we are hurting this kid's
Speaker 6: development just swipping him back and forth like he a pink.
Speaker 3: But they don't move him back and forth.
Speaker 6: They don't. But it's always a conversation and that, but it.
Speaker 2: Won't be anymore.
Speaker 4: If you move him back to left tackle, that's the
Speaker 4: end of that conversation for the rest of his career.
Speaker 8: That the conversation wins.
Speaker 5: But the cons that's okay, that's what you drafted him
Speaker 5: to be.
Speaker 2: You drafted him to play guard for a couple of
Speaker 2: years and then swing out the tackle when tis That's
Speaker 2: what they told us.
Speaker 5: That was what they also told us that all in too,
Speaker 5: they are so told.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but coach Slari came in here during the
Speaker 2: draft last year in this room instead, I always looking
Speaker 2: at Tyler as a tackle and they played guard all
Speaker 2: year and they didn't want to move them.
Speaker 6: I know it's by necessity and things like that. I
Speaker 6: just think this is his third year, let's find him
Speaker 6: a home.
Speaker 3: Okay, you're not going to breathe.
Speaker 8: I think to all valuable points. A little bit of
Speaker 8: that plays into me choosing Option one here as well.
Speaker 8: A big thing is I trust. I have a lot
Speaker 8: of trust in TJ. Bass and broke Off. I do
Speaker 8: think those guys too. I think those guys can be
Speaker 8: started hanging out with.
Speaker 3: Scouts again, having too.
Speaker 10: But that.
Speaker 2: Fixes Tyler and then TJ. Batch, and then you drafted
Speaker 2: your hangout starter.
Speaker 6: I think, I agree, get starter crap, Zach mar is
Speaker 6: getting long and so yo having him be able to
Speaker 6: come in this season, and none of us was like
Speaker 6: Jesus Christ, I think putting TJ. Bess out there, like
Speaker 6: none of us felt like that. It's invaluable. It's invaluable.
Speaker 6: And there are teams that are kicking themselves because they
Speaker 6: let this kid go undrafted.
Speaker 3: Said, I think he can be a starter.
Speaker 6: I do, but I just don't know if I want
Speaker 6: him to do it right away because that depth is
Speaker 6: showing is it's shown its value towards the end of
Speaker 6: the season for the last couple of years.
Speaker 5: I'm just that's just me kind of along the same
Speaker 5: real quick, Can I talk you out, Bruce real quick?
Speaker 3: Yes or no?
Speaker 5: If if you take your tackle and the centers there
Speaker 5: in the second round, but one of those top linebackers
Speaker 5: from the second round.
Speaker 6: If you go out in free agency, it won't matter.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, we're not. We're not playing free agency.
Speaker 3: Just we're drafting. Now we're drafted.
Speaker 2: I'm taking the linebacker.
Speaker 3: I'm taking the line, I'm taking the center offensive lines.
Speaker 6: I think you take the linebacker because the linebackers are
Speaker 6: better at the top.
Speaker 4: To me, they are and Wilson, they would be the
Speaker 4: best player on the board at that point, is what
Speaker 4: you're saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, I'm taking the center.
Speaker 6: I think you can find this and again I would
Speaker 6: have to take the linebacker. I'm taking the linebacker. I
Speaker 6: think you can find a center later, or you can
Speaker 6: find a guard that's serviceable that you can convert to
Speaker 6: a center.
Speaker 2: I definitely do, don't disagree, but if I got the
Speaker 2: center graded higher line of strimmage to me is always
Speaker 2: to be the factor.
Speaker 5: And I love Cedric grag which Carolina.
Speaker 4: Okay, so that's that's different though that's the higher graded player.
Speaker 4: I think it's more likely that Edrian Cooper or Junior
Speaker 4: Colston are going to be higher graded than the centers
Speaker 4: that are on the board whenever they get to that pick.
Speaker 8: Do you love Cedric Gray on the Cowboys? I feel
Speaker 8: like it'd be a really bad fit here. You think so,
Speaker 8: I think so. I think I think the problems that
Speaker 8: you have in that linebacking core he just adds to that.
Speaker 5: Really. Yeah, you think he could be like Eric Kendrick
Speaker 5: nix on to something could be I think it will.
Speaker 5: I know you need to Mike.
Speaker 3: But I like Cedric grad I just think he's a
Speaker 3: good player.
Speaker 8: I think he's going to be a great player, and
Speaker 8: the right system.
Speaker 3: He can fit.
Speaker 6: With Zim, I think he can fit.
Speaker 3: He went to the Buccaneers.
Speaker 8: It's not even, it's not even with Zim about the
Speaker 8: personnel that they have in that line back room, what
Speaker 8: they need. I don't feel like Gray fits that. That
Speaker 8: would be a waste of a linebacker pick.
Speaker 5: Carolina, we're talking about right, Yeah, I think, yeah, give
Speaker 5: me a good player. I'll find him.
Speaker 3: I understand, and I think that you can make your trust.
Speaker 5: I do.
Speaker 3: I just believe in the kid.
Speaker 5: Nick is over here just digging a grave, he said.
Speaker 3: He said it would be a waste of a pick
Speaker 3: if his name gets called.
Speaker 4: Just remember this episode because you're gonna.
Speaker 2: Get tagged in it.
Speaker 3: Forteen.
Speaker 5: I don't think they're.
Speaker 3: Gonna be funny.
Speaker 5: Is and then we have to go around the room
Speaker 5: and talk about what we think about the player.
Speaker 3: You get to just hick, what do you got?
Speaker 5: Well, this is what was on the board.
Speaker 9: There you go.
Speaker 5: Now, that would be a bad I got.
Speaker 6: Don't even speak that and say.
Speaker 5: No, no, I'm gonna lose my motion all right, really
Speaker 5: really really really quickly.
Speaker 2: Ye, Brandon says, coming out of college, where would Tyler
Speaker 2: Smith rank as a prospect compared to the rest of
Speaker 2: this tackle class this year?
Speaker 5: So based off of.
Speaker 4: Where you had him when he was picked, where would
Speaker 4: he fall out of that twenty two class compared to
Speaker 4: this twenty four class.
Speaker 3: Brian, Well, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 5: I I didn't have him right because I had third
Speaker 5: round grade on him. So I have nine guys ahead
Speaker 5: of him right now. If you look at my board,
Speaker 5: if you'd say, but if you want to just if
Speaker 5: you want to play h you know, kind sight twenty twenty,
Speaker 5: play alt fuck, I'd probably take I'd probably take four
Speaker 5: guys ahead of him, though, is what I would do.
Speaker 3: The fifth guy he would be ahead of Latham.
Speaker 5: For me, is where he would be as a tackle,
Speaker 5: as a guard tackle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, tackle, that's where we watched him, right, yep, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's where he was listed.
Speaker 8: As I was not covering the draft at this point,
Speaker 8: and I'm not going to b s you guys, so
Speaker 8: I'm just gonna let chill them. I'm gonna defer to
Speaker 8: you guys on this one.
Speaker 6: I wouldn't come in the draft either.
Speaker 2: Just answer the question even if we weren't in then
Speaker 2: if you weren't in the room, seventh, he would be
Speaker 2: seventh behind forshanu Olt, Latham, log of Mimes, and Guitton.
Speaker 2: I think I would have had a Morgan. I'd have
Speaker 2: him kind of in that mix as well, at a
Speaker 2: different order. I'm just about I didn't think that Tyler
Speaker 2: Smith was going to beat what Tyler Smith is.
Speaker 6: I agree on, That's all I mean, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 6: The night that they drafted him, I had a tantrum.
Speaker 6: But when I like actually went back and looked at
Speaker 6: him and I was like, oh, this guy, if he
Speaker 6: was a guard, Yeah, I think he would have went.
Speaker 2: I think he could even win high the Yale tackle
Speaker 2: and I'm not even gonna try and pronounce his name. Yeah,
Speaker 2: a lot of Tyler Smith, Like that's the guy if
Speaker 2: you don't take an offensive tackle at twenty four. I
Speaker 2: would be totally on board with the Yale offensive tackle
Speaker 2: as the guy that can be Kingsley. Yeah, can you
Speaker 2: just say Kingsley s because I don't. I mean, let's
Speaker 2: be Yu from By. Oh sorry, I'm looking at the
Speaker 2: wrong one. I don't love him, but the Yale kid Kieran, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Kieran a majority.
Speaker 3: It's an interesting name.
Speaker 2: Six, but that dude, the build, the body type reminds
Speaker 2: me a lot of Tyler Smith.
Speaker 5: All right, let's get to some more.
Speaker 2: Would you rather than wrap up this episode of the
Speaker 2: Draft show when we when we come back right after this?
Speaker 5: Go ahead?
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Speaker 3: We got one more.
Speaker 5: Would you rather, Brian, Let's get after it. Yeah. Would
Speaker 5: you guys want an edge, a corner or a guard?
Speaker 8: I think we talked a lot of where are we
Speaker 8: picking this pick? Or is it just in general?
Speaker 3: Just in general?
Speaker 8: Edge, corner guard, edge, corner guard.
Speaker 3: I'd say edge.
Speaker 2: That's a sneaky need in my opinion, I think corner
Speaker 2: is too.
Speaker 5: I'm good either either one of the defense.
Speaker 8: Though I agree I'm taking I'm taking corner.
Speaker 2: Chef's choice.
Speaker 3: What are you cooking? Cooking edge?
Speaker 13: All right?
Speaker 5: Mohammed Kamara Colorado State or Marshall Neeland Kneeland?
Speaker 11: Uh?
Speaker 5: From where Western Michigan, Michigan, Western Western Michigan.
Speaker 6: Right, I have watching him last night?
Speaker 11: Bro?
Speaker 10: You want this?
Speaker 3: Is I think this? I think Neeland is your guy?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 6: No, not necessarily, I just watched him last night.
Speaker 3: Okay, do you want to you want to leave us
Speaker 3: off on?
Speaker 12: Oh?
Speaker 6: Yeah sure?
Speaker 5: Uh Kamar or Neel either or who would you rather? Yeah?
Speaker 8: I think this was easy for This is an easy
Speaker 8: one for me.
Speaker 3: I mean I'm not I'm not high on Neil.
Speaker 8: I'm he doesn't like him.
Speaker 2: You know what it is? It's it's it's not that
Speaker 2: I don't like the player. Dane's top one hundred. I
Speaker 2: think he's got him way too high. He's small that
Speaker 2: I just mo. Kamara is a dude that like you
Speaker 2: see him take over a game, especially against Colorado. Like
Speaker 2: all you got to do is watch the Colorado game.
Speaker 2: He's an absolute stud. The production throughout his career is there?
Speaker 5: The hands?
Speaker 3: To me is what really separates these two?
Speaker 9: Well?
Speaker 3: Kamara, Yeah, he plays for violin hands.
Speaker 6: He's a tad. He's a Ta's got the quickness off
Speaker 6: the ball, That's what it is.
Speaker 5: And Niland does have the hand fakes. He can set
Speaker 5: up lineman with his rush.
Speaker 2: He can get the bull rush, he can push a
Speaker 2: tackle back into the lap of quarterback plays across the line.
Speaker 2: They move him around a lot, but he just doesn't
Speaker 2: always set the edge for me. And maybe it's because
Speaker 2: of his size. I just there was a lot of
Speaker 2: hype around Neeland. Maybe my expectations were just too high.
Speaker 2: I didn't love him. I've got a three on him.
Speaker 2: I think Kamara is a guy that can maybe sneak
Speaker 2: into even the second round. The leverage, the base, the strength,
Speaker 2: I think more. Kamara is an absolute stud. I love
Speaker 2: that dude.
Speaker 6: I mean, I think, obviously because of the size, the
Speaker 6: change of direction is better with Marshaan Kneeland and the UH.
Speaker 6: They both have really high motors, and of course you
Speaker 6: put the of course you put these two together, Brian,
Speaker 6: you play too much. But yeah, I do think the
Speaker 6: change of direction and being able to stop and go
Speaker 6: is a little better with Marshan. But as far as
Speaker 6: the motor goes, they're both looney tunes. Both are and
Speaker 6: the pursuit is just relentless.
Speaker 3: He's got the kneeling's got the traits. I just he's
Speaker 3: got to get stronger than me at the next level,
Speaker 3: and he can.
Speaker 5: He's big though this six three, but he's skinny.
Speaker 2: Context sixty seven.
Speaker 6: But the hands on, folks, You seeing guy's head snap
Speaker 6: the play.
Speaker 3: I mean, I just I got downs. Do you see
Speaker 3: a bendy guy you with kneeling?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 6: No, he has a little bit. He has a little
Speaker 6: bit though, just enough, but nothing crazy.
Speaker 7: Now, yeah, do you?
Speaker 3: I kind of feel like he's a better run defender
Speaker 3: than he is a pass rusher.
Speaker 2: I agree with that completely, and I think that it
Speaker 2: builds off of his side.
Speaker 3: Because he'll rush himself out of rush lanes. He'll get
Speaker 3: caught too upfield.
Speaker 6: For me, well, the rushing, a lot of the pass
Speaker 6: rushing from him is just because he's not quitting.
Speaker 7: On the play.
Speaker 6: That's a true fancy or anything. It's just he plays
Speaker 6: through the wrestle, plays through the whistle. That's why he's
Speaker 6: getting to the quarterback because of the pursuit, not because
Speaker 6: of the pass.
Speaker 2: Because he'll work back around to the ball. Because of
Speaker 2: initially with his rush, he's going way too wide.
Speaker 6: I think you're a hater.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm trying to level expectations on him now. I
Speaker 2: think his expectations have gone way too high for me.
Speaker 7: Do you do you?
Speaker 6: Does it remind you of oh do from last year?
Speaker 6: Was his name Tater Tots?
Speaker 3: Donald not?
Speaker 6: I don't this went crazy at the combine?
Speaker 5: I like defens.
Speaker 6: No no, no, no, no, no no no. I liked
Speaker 6: him earlier. I can remember his name was he blew
Speaker 6: the combine out the water. He had like the fastest
Speaker 6: time we've seen from a big man in like years,
Speaker 6: Tater Tots.
Speaker 8: While while y'all are thinking there, I'm gonna go ahead
Speaker 8: and throw my when you when you when. I watched
Speaker 8: film on both of these guys, and I love pinning
Speaker 8: these guys against each other here because of them both
Speaker 8: being a group of five guys playing similar competition. Kamara.
Speaker 8: Kamara stands out because of his violence and his pursuit.
Speaker 8: Y'all mentioned the pursuit. I think he's he's he's always
Speaker 8: running like a chicken with its heads cut off. I
Speaker 8: love that about Kamara. When you watch Niland, there's a
Speaker 8: little bit more precision. You're not going to see the
Speaker 8: flashy plays, but you're gonna see him doing what needs
Speaker 8: to be done to get things done. Then I see
Speaker 8: both of these guys during shrine Bol Senior Bowl week,
Speaker 8: and Neeland was what stood out to me because of
Speaker 8: his size, him being able to get around the edge.
Speaker 8: I saw a little bit of that bend at Senior
Speaker 8: Bowl that I had asked about kind of going into it.
Speaker 8: And then when I see both of these guys test
Speaker 8: and what they weigh in at and their height and everything.
Speaker 8: I love Muhammed Kamara. And this is tough for me
Speaker 8: to say, but I don't think he has a future
Speaker 8: in the NFL because of being six foot one. And
Speaker 8: I wish there was a little bit more to love there.
Speaker 8: Like I wish there was a little bit more length.
Speaker 8: There's not that length, So I just worry he's gonna
Speaker 8: get overpowered at the next level. And I kind of
Speaker 8: came to that conclusion a few days ago. I was like, man,
Speaker 8: that sucks because he's was a really good college player.
Speaker 8: For that, I have Neeland a little bit higher just
Speaker 8: because of traits. I'm going to buy into the traits
Speaker 8: when it comes to this.
Speaker 6: To your point, I think the length matters a little
Speaker 6: bit in the run game.
Speaker 2: He just likes being wrong. Yeah, that's what it is, projection, projection,
Speaker 2: and I wrote that down for Marshawn nieland people are gonna.
Speaker 5: Like him for that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I've been on an island.
Speaker 2: I want the production and Kamara's got that. You're right,
Speaker 2: Neiland's taller, welcome. I think tomorrow is more filled out
Speaker 2: with his frame. Neeland's a little bit skinny for me,
Speaker 2: but the violent hands man, I think Kamar is going
Speaker 2: to be able to win at the next level.
Speaker 8: I want to throw this out really quick. This is
Speaker 8: just a testament to what Western Michigan has done with
Speaker 8: their developing over the course of the last few seasons.
Speaker 8: So in a two recruiting class cycle twenty eighteen and
Speaker 8: twenty nineteen, Western Michigan Brandon Fisk they had signed before
Speaker 8: he transferred to Florida State. Jaden Reid who they had
Speaker 8: signed and he transferred to Michigan State, was a second
Speaker 8: round pick last year. Chase Brown who they signed and
Speaker 8: he transferred to Illinois later in his career and he
Speaker 8: was a fifth round pick in twenty twenty three. Linebackers
Speaker 8: Ir Barnes, who was a sixth round pick in twenty
Speaker 8: twenty three, still out of Western Michigan and now they
Speaker 8: have Marshawn Neeland. I mean, this is a really really
Speaker 8: impressive group of guys up there Western Michigan that staff
Speaker 8: do a really good job developing. That's whenever I was
Speaker 8: on the recruiting beat, that was one you kind of
Speaker 8: pay attention to in the Midwest as far as Okay,
Speaker 8: if if Western Michigan is offering this guy really early on,
Speaker 8: then there's something here. There's traits, there's uhe yeah, come.
Speaker 6: Come home.
Speaker 4: Final question before we wrap things up in this one
Speaker 4: specifically for Aisha off of Twitter on the twenty Uh,
Speaker 4: would you rather fight twenty duck sized horses or one
Speaker 4: horse sized duck?
Speaker 2: This is from Twitter on the twenty Which one would
Speaker 2: you rather do?
Speaker 6: One horse sized duck?
Speaker 5: Why?
Speaker 9: Is that?
Speaker 6: Because I'm just gonna take guy's legs?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 8: What about what about twenty duck sized braiden fisks or
Speaker 8: one braiden fisk sized duck?
Speaker 6: I don't think nobody want to deal with so to
Speaker 6: be thinking he's going to be like a ninja turtle
Speaker 6: or something like that?
Speaker 2: Is this?
Speaker 3: That's another dude? Braiden fist needs to get more love.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about it.
Speaker 5: Talk about sweat.
Speaker 3: Yes, give me fish all.
Speaker 6: Day, his little swaggy so he got some swags.
Speaker 2: On, got some swag. There's fisk, there's Chris Beam, just
Speaker 2: getting up some b roll as we're wrapping up the show.
Speaker 6: Crazylow mo too.
Speaker 2: That's some nice looking be roll, Very nicely done, Chris Beam.
Speaker 2: All right, that does it for us here on the
Speaker 2: Draft Show. We'll be back on Tuesday. We're less than
Speaker 2: fifty days away from the NFL Draft. Gets your studying
Speaker 2: ready to rock.
Speaker 4: We've got Dallas Day coming up, got some thirty visits
Speaker 4: to talk about, and of course everything's still falling out
Speaker 4: from the NFL combine for.
Speaker 2: Zach Walchuk, Nick Harris, Brian brought us Aisha Morrison Chris
Speaker 2: Beam in the back of Kyle Yeomen saying so long,
Speaker 2: we will see you next Tuesday on The Draft Show.
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