WEBVTT - Draft Show: Down to Debate 0:00:02.560 --> 0:00:08.600 This is the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:12.400 room for insider news and draft analysis from deep within 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:16.120 the confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star and Frisco. 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:25.640 Today is Thursday, March seventh, and we are forty nine 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:29.240 days away from the NFL Draft in Detroit, Michigan. 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:31.240 Under fifty days to go. 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:35.960 Until the futures of the NFL are decided across every 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:38.279 thirty two of the organizations. 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:41.599 Welcome into the Draft Show, presented by Miller Lte. We've 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:45.400 got Zach Walchuck back in action. Congratulations, Daddy Walchuck's buddy. 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:46.560 Congratulations to you as well. 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:49.239 How about that just down here in the corner, just 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:51.120 four babies new, got it, got it done. 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:53.320 Look, hey, I guess you found out the triplets came. 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:56.800 Yeah, alright, look this corner now it's mine between Nick, 0:00:57.000 --> 0:00:57.880 Zach and myself. 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:01.840 Yep, there are four new babies the world. Congratulations Nick, well, John, 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:03.160 good job, buddy. 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:05.000 I appreciate it. 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:08.880 It's a blessing. She's amazing, Yeah, unbelievable, great stuff. 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:10.880 And within forty eight hours of each other, we were 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:12.360 just trying to line it up for draft time. 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:15.000 Hey, she knew she's like, look, I was scheduled to 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:17.160 come close to the draft, probably about two weeks before. 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:18.520 I said, baby girl, can you come a little bit 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:21.080 earlier so I'm in ample shape to make. 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:23.280 Sure we can run those three days. Boom, good to go. 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:25.679 Do one of the players cough on you or something? 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:26.720 Did you catch something? 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:28.080 Clearly something in the water. 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:29.840 I don't even think it's in the water. I think 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:33.760 it's airborne. How many kids that were born from the 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:35.280 team and then outside of the. 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:40.920 Same time within four days of waltsha and less than 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:44.840 a week after ours were born? So yeah, yeah, airborne. 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:47.760 Bennett my son who sophomore in Texas now, he was 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:50.800 born three days after the four draft. And I remember 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:52.720 Parcels asking me, He goes, you're gonna be here for 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:55.640 that draft? I said, my kids being born, No, you 0:01:55.640 --> 0:02:00.280 could do this by yourself and he's like early. I'm like, yeah, really, 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:03.280 it's my only kid, what what do you mean? But yeah, 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:05.800 then it held off till the Uh. It's always funny. 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:08.720 Draft weekend is uh is we celebrate after the drafts. 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:11.519 That's awesome. So it's kind of cool. But congratulations to everybody, 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:14.040 thank you. That's awful nice and it understood the sign. 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:19.200 We've got Nick Harris, Brian brought us Asha Morrison. I'm 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:22.079 Kyle Omens with Chris Beam in the back. And there's 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:24.120 plenty to get to. We talked about the combine a 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:27.200 lot on Tuesday. Most of that hay. 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:28.959 Is now in the barn. Now you're looking ahead to 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:33.040 thirty visits, you're looking ahead to Dallas Day, you're looking 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:36.280 ahead to these these individual meetings with players, Brian, and 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:39.360 this is a crucial time because now you have at 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:41.679 least you would think all of the medical information. 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:42.799 Yeah, you would have. 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:48.960 Some guys some yeah, exactly, some measurements, some right, measurables 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:51.000 across the board. Right now, it's about getting to know 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:52.320 these guys from another level. 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:53.320 Yeah. Absolutely. 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:56.240 And we're to the point now where everybody came back 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:59.519 from the combine. You settled in. They'll start to get 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:02.520 the number. Uh, they've got their own numbers. They'll get 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:06.440 those plugged into their uh to their machines. Uh, they'll 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:08.720 get all that, they'll get their tags ready for the 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:10.200 meetings that are they're about to have. 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:11.320 Uh. 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:14.400 Yeah, it's the thirty visits. Those come pretty quickly, and 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:16.919 then we start to the pro days. There's a lot 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:19.880 of guys that probably want some doovers. On some runs, 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:21.920 we'll start to see a bunch of guys have to 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:25.200 do the shuttles, all those the ones there, all those 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:27.320 guys that didn't want to do anything with the twenty 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:28.959 shuttle or the three cone or any. 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:29.280 Of that stuff. 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:31.120 There'll be a lot of that going on right now. 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:33.840 So it is it's a it's a really really really 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:37.080 busy time and uh it it uh you know, like 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:38.360 I say, you just kind of make sure you get 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:41.040 all your information in. You get your information in, you 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:44.280 get the information from the combine, the floor. Uh, those 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:47.000 times you put those in and then it gives you 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:49.920 the best opportunity, like say, your tags look clean and 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:52.360 then when you start to meet boom, everything is ready 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:52.600 to go. 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:55.960 I think for the the biggest thing that you could 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:59.160 love and scouting is context and data. Yeah, and Combine 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:01.040 is huge for that because all of the unknowns that 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:04.040 you have going into combine, you have most of them 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:07.600 solved after coming out. So being able to add that contact, 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:09.440 add that data, it just kind of helps make a 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:11.280 better pick at the end of the day. I think 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:13.160 over the course of the next month, this is when 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:16.080 you really start to see the staffs really zone a 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:18.800 zone in and hone in on some potential targets, whether 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:20.440 that be in the first round or in the seventh round. 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:23.200 I mean that's there's a big, big three day period 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:25.120 there that they're gonna make picks and they're gonna be 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:26.560 looking at targets for all those days. 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:29.360 Well, it's the time too when there's draft meetings, and 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:31.919 I mean, you guys would be just finding these draft 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:35.400 meetings because your willingness to fight and argue and agree. 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:37.880 And that's what it really comes down to. You know, 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:39.640 you go in that room, you close the door, you 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:41.440 watch the tape. There's some guys that go up on 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:44.320 that board that you've never seen before, and you're thinking, like, 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:46.520 wait a minute, that guy, that guy's way better than 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:48.440 the guy I'm about to present. You know, see, you 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:50.880 got to kind of have an idea. But again, it's 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:53.200 about kind of challenging each other. And that's where your 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:55.400 boards are really really good. And we always talked about 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:58.440 don't window dress your board. You know, have an honest opinion, 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:01.200 have an honest assessment, put the best grade you can 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:03.120 on the guy. And usually your first view is your 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:03.640 right view. 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:06.320 You know, don't. I mean, I just encourage people. 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:08.200 If you're doing this like you know we are, and 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:12.440 putting things together, trust your first look. You know, don't 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:14.560 sit there, well, guy, I ran really great at the combine. 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:15.919 Hey I got to push him up or I got 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:18.719 to take him down or whatever. No, trust your eyes, 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:21.560 trust your film, trust what you've seen and be able 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:23.440 to compare them to the other guys that you've seen. 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:25.560 And that way, I'll tell you what you will. You'll 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:28.320 help yourself at the end to have the absolute best 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:30.320 board you could put together to the next point. 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:32.720 This is the time where things start. Guys start to 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:33.560 separate themselves. 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:35.720 They do, our boards start. 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:38.359 To make a little bit more sense than comparisons. But 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:40.839 I did have a question for mostly you, Brian, but 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:44.560 everybody can answer when I mean, okay, so some guys 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:46.240 didn't want to perform, didn't want to do certain things 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:48.520 at the combine, right, some guys do just want to 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:49.640 do things at their pro day? 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:50.039 Right? 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:54.680 Is there something to be said about the discomfort of 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:58.080 the combine and how high pressure is and the position 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:00.840 it puts you in. And because of course at the 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:02.520 pro day, some of these guys are at the facilities 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:04.680 they've been at their whole career or whatever the case 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:07.320 may be. There's some comfort that comes with that. Do 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:09.960 you think as a scout, as a former scout, you 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:13.960 does that matter in the process to the fact that 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:16.560 they didn't want to do the things in front of 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:18.120 that way. 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:19.919 You know what, it's a it's a great question because 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:24.440 the guys, the quarterbacks that threw you appreciate because they're 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:27.440 not comfortable with These receivers are thrown to. They're lined 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:30.359 up out there because of alphabetical order their name to 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:33.320 another wide receiver's name. So you might get a rotation 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:36.320 of receivers that can make you look really good, and 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:39.480 then some that are dropping everything in sight, you know, 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:42.960 because of nerves or whatever. There is a level of 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:46.320 that being uncomfortable with the combine, and a lot. 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:48.600 Of players will tell you the way. 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:51.280 That the combine it drags you. It drags you from 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:55.840 here to here to hear. It's exhausting, and you don't sleep, 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:59.359 your nervous and you know, and there's even even the 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:02.680 scouts by the end of it, you're irritated, you know, 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:06.920 because you're tired and you're grumpy, and you're sitting there 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:08.920 thinking about Okay, Now I got to catch a plane 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:11.000 out of here and have two connections to get home. 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:14.680 So yeah, it is a it is a tough, tough thing. 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:18.080 I we We've always done this though, even going back 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:20.760 to the early nineties when I first started here. It 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:23.840 you're still going to drive to Baton Rouge, You're still 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:26.000 going to drive to Norman, Oklahoma, You're still going to 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:28.960 drive to Austin, Texas. If these kids don't work out, 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:31.320 that's fine. I'm still I'm gonna catch it. And if 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:33.400 they want to work out in their environment. 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:34.400 Fine, you know. 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:38.840 But the guys that shine at the Combine, you kind 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:40.400 of kind of see them in a little bit of 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:44.080 a different light because now it's televised. Now there's crowd, 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:47.680 now there's pressure, now there's those are the guys you're like, 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:52.880 oh wow, big stage, that guy, Yeah yeah, that guy, 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:55.520 that guy right there showed up in a big stage. Yeah, 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:59.000 you know, And I trust me, I just want everybody 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:01.960 at the Combine to do medical. That's why I got 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:04.880 upset with the Caleb Williams thing. I just you know, 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:06.560 if I was the Bears or one of these teams 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:09.240 that's looking for a quarterback at two three four, five, 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:10.640 whatever that spot is. 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:12.320 I need that medical man. 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:14.720 Isn't he Isn't he only doing it to the teams 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:15.560 that are really interesting. 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:18.080 Yeah, but that's what I'm saying, team that wants to 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:18.400 move up. 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:19.440 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:22.480 That's that's that's the problem I have. That's the problem. 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:25.600 Like if I'm sitting there and I'm the Giants and 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:27.440 I'm looking to move up for a quarterback and I'm 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:29.840 gonna get all the way to one, and he's thinking, oh, 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:32.240 you're picking six, I'm not going to see you, And 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:34.400 I'm thinking, wait a minute, now, i might trade this 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:37.160 thing up. And see that's where that's to me. I 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:39.880 don't mind him not working out. I just need your 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:43.160 medical man. I just need because we've we've done this before, 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:47.360 we said it before. We've we've found heart conditions, we 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:50.040 found back problems, we found broken. 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:52.560 Foots, you know, feet, you know. 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:55.000 I mean, that's that's what we've that's what we've done 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:57.880 at the combine. And I need to know these things 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:01.400 because my job's on the line here if I you know, 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:03.920 if I but the problem with Caleb Wibbs now on 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:07.000 his thirty visit, majority of that time is going to 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:10.439 be spent him getting a physical and I and I 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:12.800 said it today. It's not turning cough, you know, turn 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:15.960 your head and cough. It's a pretty extensive physical that 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:17.000 he is going. 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:17.720 To have to go through. 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:20.920 And so yeah, that's that's the He could have knocked 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:23.960 that all out and we didn't. But you know what, 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:26.200 we'll do what we have to do to get these 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:26.959 players done right. 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:30.080 Well, you think about the list of what players just 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:32.040 have to go through at the combine too. 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:33.600 You look at it all the way through. 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:37.320 Because it's it's medicals, it's meetings, it's media, it's tough 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:40.720 back and forth. It's tough all the ways through, and 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:43.760 then you've got to work out with five hundred other prospects. 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:45.480 It's not five hundred, I know, it's like three fifty, 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:48.439 but it's still. Yeah's a ton of players that you're 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:49.080 going up against. 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:49.280 Whatever. 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:49.760 It's a proda. 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:52.000 You're in your own building, right The only thing you 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:54.359 really have to worry about is getting to the facility, 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:57.280 driving your own car, parking in your own parking spot, 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:00.960 and then rushing or locker with with guys that you 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:03.560 all know, and then turning around and talking to the media. 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:06.240 For like ten minutes afterwards. That's the extent and the 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:09.319 difference between the NFL combine and Pro Day's. If you 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:13.000 can succeed in either category, you're the combine is going 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:14.880 to carry more weight. But I don't think you should 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:15.280 be knocked in. 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:18.240 The combine was designed not to be easy. Yeah, it 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:18.800 really was. 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:21.360 If you look if yeah, if you look at it, 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:23.040 if you look at now with the way it is 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:26.280 on TV and the pressure these kids are under. Uh, 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:28.079 but there's some kids that also can roll out of 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:31.160 bed and run for four, right, There's some kids that 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:34.200 can do that. It's the kids that that aren't sure 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:37.240 that run four five six, that are wide receiver or 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:38.840 running back that runs four seven to two. 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:40.920 That's the problem. 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:43.880 Now the pressure outres Now the pressure of your Pro 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:48.160 Day turns into a But I've always said this, guys, 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:49.840 if I really like a kid, I could get him 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:53.640 running at thirty eight yards he's downhill, I could, I can, 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:54.960 I can get him, I can fast. 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:56.880 I get him fast enough for you if you want. 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:00.880 All right, Bryan, speaking of guys that you like, Yeah, 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:03.319 you've got a would you rather We played this a 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:06.559 couple of weeks ago, two prospects on the board pretty 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:08.800 tight in where they would be drafted. 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:11.480 Would you rather have this guy or that guy? 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:12.559 Where do you want to start things off? 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:12.800 Yeah? 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:15.040 I will start off with uh, how about with you 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:15.760 Woolly Bully? 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:17.760 Okay, and we'll go around. 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:20.920 I'm gonna give you two names, and they're they're within 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:23.640 the same position group, okay, And I'm trying to get 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:27.720 him through the almost like similar players, maybe similar skill set, 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:31.439 similar heightweight, But tell me who would you rather? The 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:34.120 first one I'm gonna start with with you is is 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:39.000 Javon Baker or Jalen McMillan. Javon Baker from Central Florida, 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:43.360 Jalen McMillan from Washington. Who would you rather between those 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:44.400 two wide receivers? 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:48.960 I love both guys, but I've got j Mac higher 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:51.880 on my stack than I do Javonne Baker. I watched 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:55.679 Jalen McMillan and I just see like this dude's got it. 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:59.200 He smooth, cerebral, the way he moves, Chris route runner, 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:03.480 wins deep in immediate, shallow, explosive in the open field, shift, 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:06.480 he has good burst, He's a playmaker, wins in the 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:08.680 red zone. Don't see a lot of drops with him, 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:11.080 can play him inside outside. I think he can be 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:14.400 a third down weapon for you in a super competitor. 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:16.520 I mean, he's a dude. If he didn't play at Washington, 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:18.880 where you've got Roma Dunsay and also a Jalen Polk, 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:21.760 all three tremendous, he'd have been a number one wide 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:25.319 receiver at the majority of colleges in the nation. Now, 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:28.760 Javon Baker is an outstanding player as well. His ability 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:32.959 to go back shoulder is Das Bryant esque when you 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:33.680 watch him play. 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:34.679 I kind of looked at him. 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:36.439 I'm like, man, he kind of reminds me of a 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:39.480 blend of a Keenan McCardell and a Dad's Bryant wins 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:42.280 off the line, He's a chunk player down the field. 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:46.679 But I think Jalen McMillan can do more than Javon Baker. 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:48.719 I've got a second round grade on j Mack. I 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:50.760 think I'm higher on him than maybe some other people are. 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:53.040 I absolutely love him. I think he's going to be 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:53.959 an absolute stud. 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:56.400 Baker. I've gotten the third So give me j Mack. 0:12:56.920 --> 0:12:57.640 How about you, Nick? 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:00.600 Yeah, you look at the production that Jalen McMillan had 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:02.599 in his junior year, and you kind of compare that 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:05.240 with what Javon Baker was able to do in his 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:07.480 senior year. You see a lot of similarities as far 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:10.720 as how they were used in the offense, the trust 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:13.680 that each of their quarterbacks had, and those guys during 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:17.319 those seasons. The thing that separates Jalen McMillan for me 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:20.480 as well is the experience playing with all of those 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:23.400 guys that's an NFL offense, and I think that's gonna 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:25.800 be something very unique that Michael Pennix will take away 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:28.640 that Roma Dunza, Jalen Polk, all those guys, even Dylan 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:30.720 Johnson at running back. I think that's a unique thing 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:32.280 that all these guys will be able to take away 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:34.720 from Washington, the fact that all these skill guys they're 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:36.360 going to be playing at the next level, and whenever 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:38.120 they get to that NFL level, there's not going to 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:40.439 be a whole lot of adjusting that they're going to 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:42.480 have to do. Whenever they look across the line, and 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:45.440 you know, wide receiver four is as good as you are, 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:47.400 you know, so I don't think there's gonna be a 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:49.480 ton of adjusting that those guys will be able to do. 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:51.240 I think these guys are very similar in what they 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:53.280 bring to the table. I love what Javon Baker does. 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:55.760 I'm glad you mentioned the back shoulder because body control 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:57.880 is the thing that stood out absolutely. That's what I 0:13:57.920 --> 0:13:59.679 wrote down for him. So, I mean, he's a guy 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:01.719 that you can trust in red zone, but also to 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:03.679 stretch the field and be a vertical threat. But I 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:06.480 think with Jalen McMillan, whenever he steps into an NFL team, 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:07.920 I think he'll be a little bit more ready than 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:10.680 what Javon Baker will will do. Even though Javon Baker 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:12.679 started his career at Alabama, I still feel that way 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:14.840 with Jaalen mcmill is that a byproduct. 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:16.640 Just based off of the fact that he's seen more 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:20.200 or a higher level of competition and succeeded against it 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:22.120 more recently than what Baker has. 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:23.280 Yeah, correct, Okay. 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:27.280 Interesting when I look at Jalen McMillan, I noticed his 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:31.120 long strides just kind of how his releases are. I 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:34.000 do think the route running is just a little bit 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:36.960 more refined from Javon Baker. In my opinion, I think 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:39.280 his releases are just a little bit more fluid. But 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:41.960 from McMillan, I'm so glad y'all brought up the body 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:46.320 control and being the contested catches, the tight window catches. 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:50.400 I mean Jesus that Pennix really trusted McMillian says something. 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:53.160 Some of those throws that he made him were tight windows. 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:55.560 He had to have strong hands and he climbs the ladder. 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:59.120 You guys talked about the back shoulder thing, So for 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:01.600 me it would be it would be McMillan, But I 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:04.320 would be only because even though his frame was a 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:06.200 little lighter, do you think they would maybe want to 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:07.320 put a little bit more weight on him. 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:10.240 Yeah, probably so, And I think that's same to be 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:11.440 said for a lot of these guys. 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:13.200 Too. 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:16.320 He could definitely use a little bit more size as well. 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:18.560 I will say I feel like I feel like a 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:21.000 McMillan is a little bit more willing as a blocker 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:24.040 as well on the outside than Javon Bakers, And I 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:25.560 think that stands out when you look at some of 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:27.840 the better offenses in the league. They want guys that 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:29.040 can block on the outside as well. 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:30.480 Yeah, he was asked to do a lot more that 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:33.200 this past season than he was as a junior. I 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:36.160 think it's it's very interesting how he was used as 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:37.920 a junior versus how he was used as a senior, 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:40.360 because you see two different sides to McMillan's game, and 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:41.920 I think that makes him a little bit more versatile for. 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:42.400 The next level. 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:45.040 Absolutely, and also too, did he deal with some injuries 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:45.600 this past. 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:46.000 Year, Yes, he did. 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:48.360 He missed a few games just kind of in and out. 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:49.960 It was right there in that middle stretch where they 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:52.480 were playing like usc Utah Organ, like right there in 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:54.760 a row, and he was in and out of those games. 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:57.200 And that's when more trust started to get involved with 0:15:57.320 --> 0:15:59.400 Ramadoonza and Jalen Polk And then by the time he 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:00.920 had come back, I mean, still a big part of 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:03.400 that offense. But you got a wide receiver one and 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:04.600 a wide receiver one A. 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:09.840 He could be that wide receiver one B Pennix. Penix's 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:12.040 numbers went down without him in there. Yes, And to 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:13.800 me that's also something you look at and say, hey, 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:16.320 you got two other stud receivers without Jalen McMillan, that 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:17.400 offense didn't run as well. 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:19.920 If you don't trust Jalen McMillan, viewers, I mean feel 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:21.560 free you have your own opinion. Go watch it, Go 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:23.800 watch that junior season wherever he was the That's what I. 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:26.360 Was about to say if you were worried about, especially 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:28.320 since he did have some injuries in that key time 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:30.520 that you mentioned, Nick, I went out and went and 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:33.360 watched twenty twenty two of him. I watched quite a 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:35.080 bit from him there, and I was like, oh, Okay, 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:38.080 that's that's what I'm looking out there. Okay, cool. So yeah, 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:40.280 I would go with McMillan as well, But I do 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:42.080 think Javon Baker is going to be a good player 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:42.800 for wherever he goes. 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:45.200 The only reason I would go mc millan over Javon 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:48.000 Baker is the fact that the calling card for Baker 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:50.400 out of UCF was his straight line speed. It was 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:53.880 what he could do in a straight line, his vertical 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:55.800