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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 2: And now we know why the Vikings moved on to

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Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy. Minnesota wins it and JJ McCarthy wakes up

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Speaker 2: late and the Bears get booed at home. Do you

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Speaker 2: realize that the Bears have lost six consecutive home games,

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Speaker 2: the longest active streak and the second longest home losing

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Speaker 2: streak in franchise history. Quarterbacks in the NFL get judged

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Speaker 2: by just about everything that they do. Their arm strength,

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Speaker 2: they are forty yard dash time, the combine stats wins.

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Speaker 2: But there's one quality that you're looking for, and it's

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Speaker 2: hard to measure. What do you do when you're under pressure?

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Speaker 2: What do you do when you throw a pick six?

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Speaker 2: What do you do when you're down seventeen to six

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Speaker 2: going into the fourth quarter on the road. Now, JJ

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Speaker 2: McCarthy didn't light it up. I don't know if he

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Speaker 2: did anything where you go wow, other than his composure.

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Speaker 2: And it's there, it's tangible, you can see it where

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Speaker 2: everything is not going as scripted for you. He threw

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Speaker 2: for what one hundred and fifty yards thirteen completions, and

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Speaker 2: you know he threw a pick six?

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Speaker 3: Get sacked.

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Speaker 2: But what you saw though eight passes that he threw

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Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter, he completed six of those for

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Speaker 2: one hundred and one yards three touchdowns, and they come

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Speaker 2: up with a win. You got a great coach and

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Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell great for a young quarterback and arm talent.

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Speaker 2: Bat'll fade. Stats go up and down, and when you win,

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Speaker 2: it's a team effort. But the ability to deliver when

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Speaker 2: it matters most, that's on the quarterback and you somehow

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Speaker 2: come up with a way to win. And that's what

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Speaker 2: he did. But if you go back to his high

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Speaker 2: school days, he only lost a couple of games, won

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Speaker 2: a couple of state championships. Iowa State I think offered

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Speaker 2: him a scholarship in eighth grade.

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Speaker 3: Like he's been a winner.

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Speaker 2: That's what he does. At Michigan. I didn't think he

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Speaker 2: did anything that stood out other than he won. And

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Speaker 2: there is something to be said. That's the most important

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Speaker 2: stat with a quarterback because we talk about, you know

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Speaker 2: when we do the QBR and I go, what did

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Speaker 2: you win? Because that's the most important stat And he

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Speaker 2: had that last night. Once again, you win, and he

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Speaker 2: performed at a very high level in the fourth quarter,

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Speaker 2: and it was kind of a weird game because I thought, Okay,

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Speaker 2: now I'm seeing Caleb Williams, Ben Johnson. Ben Johnson, I

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Speaker 2: don't think had a good night in his debut. Caleb.

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Speaker 2: He shows you those glimpses. But quarterback play is about consistency.

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Speaker 2: It's not about there are guys who provide highlights. And

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Speaker 2: that's why you could always be fooled when you're watching

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Speaker 2: the red zone because you're going, man, that guy's having

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Speaker 2: an unbelievable game, and all of a sudden you see

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Speaker 2: the totality of the game and then you go, no,

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Speaker 2: he just had you know, three really good plays. And

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Speaker 2: I thought Caleb was doing better. It felt like he

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Speaker 2: was processing. He missed some easy throws. You know, he

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Speaker 2: ran a little bit. I love Roma Doonsa. I think he's,

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Speaker 2: you know, as the potential to be a great receiver.

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Speaker 2: And it's rare when you say that about any Chicago

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Speaker 2: Bear receiver, but Roma Doonsay is very talented.

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Speaker 3: I just I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I was expecting more and you're up seventeen to six

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Speaker 2: and you got to he's not a rookie quarterback, but

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Speaker 2: it's his first start and it's on the road and

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Speaker 2: you can't close out the Vikings. I mean, that says

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Speaker 2: a lot about the Chicago Bears. Right now here is

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Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell talking about his star quarterback.

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Speaker 4: It's not always going to be pretty when you're trying

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Speaker 4: to bring along a young quarterback. You just got to

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Speaker 4: keep playing and you got to allow him to grow.

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Speaker 4: There was a lot of just things we can improve on,

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Speaker 4: and we will. It'd be great to be home for

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Speaker 4: a couple of weeks. All in all, I'm very proud

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Speaker 4: of our team, very proud of our staff. Just that

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Speaker 4: figured it out in this and find a way is

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Speaker 4: something that will be a redeeming quality as we continue

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Speaker 4: to press onward.

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Speaker 2: And he's the first quarterback in NFL history to account

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Speaker 2: for three touchdowns in the fourth quarter of his NFL debut. Now,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how many rookies or quarterbacks making their

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Speaker 2: in the history to do that.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Marvin, going back to your point about the Bears

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Speaker 5: losing this game after having the lead. This is going

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Speaker 5: to bite them in Week seventeen and eighteen where they're

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Speaker 5: looking at the TV Week eighteen to make sure another

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Speaker 5: wouldn't be in the scenario. This is going to be

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Speaker 5: the same thing with the Bengals last year.

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Speaker 2: Well, we look at the Ravens and we say, same

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Speaker 2: old Ravens against the Buffalo Bills. You've got to win

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Speaker 2: that game. Josh Allen has your number. All right, we'll

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Speaker 2: wait to the postseason with the Bears. You're watching your going,

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Speaker 2: same old Bears. I mean, you got to win those games.

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Speaker 2: You're up seventeen to six, everything's going as as well

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Speaker 2: as it can go for you, and then you let

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Speaker 2: it slip away. JJ McCarthy and Sam Darnold, the quarterback

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Speaker 2: he replaced, are the only quarterbacks since two thousand to

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Speaker 2: throw a pick six in their NFL debut and still

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Speaker 2: win the game. You go back when Sam Darnald made

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Speaker 2: his debut. That was a Monday night game as well.

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Speaker 2: He was with the Jets and they blew out the Lions.

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Speaker 2: That was Week one of twenty eighteen. All right, just

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Speaker 2: getting started here. Mark Sanchez, our good buddy NFL and

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Speaker 2: Fox analyst. He'll stop by. Seth Wickersham. The Mothership has

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Speaker 2: a new book on quarterbacks fritzy since Paulie's not here,

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Speaker 2: it's a Friday fritzy and he wants to do rhyme time.

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Speaker 2: I think you're going to basically unload your playbook today,

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Speaker 2: aren't you.

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Speaker 6: I'm just going to put it all out there.

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Speaker 3: Yes, why not? And I'm fine with it.

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Speaker 6: Have fun.

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Speaker 2: It's like you have a substitute teacher here. Paulie's not

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Speaker 2: here to scold you, and I say, go for it.

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Speaker 6: We want to have a good time every day.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, every day's the super.

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Speaker 6: Bowl Day is in fact the super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: Win or lose, we celebrate.

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Speaker 7: Yeah see, And people are calling it a Tuesday Todd takeover.

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Speaker 3: Oh triple T t t T. Show me your TTT.

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Speaker 3: You've never taken anything over before.

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Speaker 8: This is new to me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah alrighty eight seven seven to three DP show email

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Speaker 2: address DP at Danpatrick dot com, Twitter handle at dp show.

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Speaker 3: The forty nine ers are banged up. They've been banged up.

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Speaker 2: Now you got Rock Party with his shoulder and his toe,

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Speaker 2: George Kittle with a hamstring.

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Speaker 3: There, man, you can't get healthy. Yeah see.

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Speaker 7: It shows you how quick the season can get sideways,

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Speaker 7: you know, Like, dang, dude, we're like a game in.

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Speaker 7: I know, and we're already looking at this list. What

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Speaker 7: the heck?

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Speaker 2: Especially that team, you know that they had all those

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Speaker 2: injuries last year, and you know, even Christian McCaffrey. You're

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Speaker 2: not quite sure, but those guys, I it looks like

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Speaker 2: Kittle's going to miss a couple of games. I'm not

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Speaker 2: sure about Rock Purty. All right, So we'll have a

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Speaker 2: poll question, we'll get the phone calls. And I mentioned,

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Speaker 2: you know, when you have somebody who wins. JJ McCarthy

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Speaker 2: is sixty four and three as a starting quarterback since

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Speaker 2: high school.

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Speaker 3: That says a lot about who he is.

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Speaker 2: And yes, you have good teams around you, but it's

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Speaker 2: kind of doing the right thing at the right time

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Speaker 2: when your team needs it the most. And I don't

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Speaker 2: think that that's a coincidence that he's that successful. And

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Speaker 2: a lot of your great quarterbacks were very successful in

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Speaker 2: high school in college, but sixty four and three, you

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Speaker 2: win a national championship, You won a couple of state

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Speaker 2: championships in high school. Yeah, Marvin, do you think his

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Speaker 2: steeling is Jalen hurts. I don't want to put I

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Speaker 2: don't want to do that to him. After one game.

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Speaker 3: It's overreaction Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I know, but I watched and I

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Speaker 2: even sent you guys a text and I said, I

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Speaker 2: don't know what he does really well, And that was

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Speaker 2: in the first half.

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Speaker 3: He did right out of the gate I did. I

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Speaker 3: was just like up watching Now.

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Speaker 2: He did have that that look that every high school

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Speaker 2: kid has when he's on the sideline before a game,

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Speaker 2: where he's got all of his paint on his face

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Speaker 2: and you look very serious.

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Speaker 3: I'm so serious, I'm locked in.

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Speaker 2: And you know that's when the announcer good boy JJ

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Speaker 2: McCarthy's locked in, like no, he might just be scared bleepless.

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Speaker 3: He might be like.

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Speaker 2: Good on the road, I'm making my debut, yes, Dylan, Hi, Dan,

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Speaker 2: I didn't.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, No, I saw that picture a bunch and I

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Speaker 9: was like, I used to make that face because I

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Speaker 9: was scared. You're trying. You're all right, here we go.

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Speaker 9: I guess got my EyeBlack on. Some people can't see

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Speaker 9: how scared I am.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I I don't know what kind of quarterback

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Speaker 2: he's going to be because Harball never unleashed him at Michigan.

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Speaker 2: It was you had a guy who was a game

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Speaker 2: manager there, Gay maestro. That's what I gotta. I gotta

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Speaker 2: ramp it up a little bit game maestro there. So

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Speaker 2: I don't know if Kevin O'Connell is going to turn

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Speaker 2: him loose. I was happy justin Jefferson got a touchdown

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Speaker 2: because I was worried. I was like, oh boy, somebody

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Speaker 2: is not going to be happy. Sam Darnold to me

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Speaker 2: the ball all the time. Hey kid, I'm open. All right,

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Speaker 2: I'll try to get it to you. Yes, Marmon, So

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Speaker 2: is it game maestro or game master?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 2: You know Tomato Tomanto, I can say game master if

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Speaker 2: that sounds better. A master he is, but there are

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Speaker 2: a few quarterbacks who were masters. Patrick Mahomes has become

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Speaker 2: a game master and not putting up crazy numbers. But

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Speaker 2: maybe JJ McCarthy, maybe he is a Jalen Hurts kind

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Speaker 2: of guy. If I can beat you with my arm

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Speaker 2: in my leg, but I'm not gonna overwhelm you with

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Speaker 2: either one.

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Speaker 3: But I'm going to win the game. Uh seen, You've

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Speaker 3: got to pull question today.

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Speaker 7: I like the word balance you're looking for.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I am looking for a little balance, little balance

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Speaker 2: my quarterback.

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Speaker 7: All right, okay, quick thing we were talking about before

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Speaker 7: the show. This is the pick six the best playing football,

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Speaker 7: nay sports could be in sports in general. So the

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Speaker 7: picks kind of underrated, but it's it might be the

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Speaker 7: coolest play there is.

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Speaker 2: I like the fact that it's unscripted, because your plays

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Speaker 2: are scripted, like I'm going to throw the ball in

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Speaker 2: that direction to that guy. But the defensive player, he's

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Speaker 2: the one who's unscripted. Once he gets like Ed Reid

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Speaker 2: was as good as anybody who's ever played the game,

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Speaker 2: great player, it'd be like when he got the you know, Dion,

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Speaker 2: if he if he intercepted, that's only the start of this.

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Speaker 3: I want to make you pay with a pick six.

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Speaker 7: It's one of those things that makes you like sit

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Speaker 7: up in your seat, you know where you're like, oh,

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Speaker 7: here we go, you know, because.

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Speaker 3: Then you're going a man.

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Speaker 10: Hey what's up everybody? It's me three time pro bowler

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Speaker 10: LeVar Rington, and I couldn't be more excited to announce

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Speaker 2: The book is called American Kings, A Biography of the Quarterback,

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Speaker 2: It's Better to Be Feared, the Patriots Dynas, and the

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Speaker 3: Great to see again.

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Speaker 2: Seth, I had a random thought late last night that

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Speaker 2: And the book deals with high school, college, NFL retirement.

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Speaker 11: answer was really really interesting. What did he say, Oh,

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Speaker 11: you know, I have to have to help have a

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Speaker 11: little bit of a finger, But like, you know, I

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Speaker 11: think the most interesting thing was that it was something that,

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Speaker 11: like I asked him, it had surprised him, but you

441
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Speaker 11: could tell that it was something that he had actually

442
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Speaker 11: spent some time thinking about, because you know, he experienced

443
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Speaker 11: a lot, I mean, he experienced unbelievable highs, some unbelievable

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Speaker 11: lows and you know a lot of physical pain also obviously.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was a celebrity. I didn't think Joe

446
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Speaker 2: was a great quarterback. I think he he'd fit the

447
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Speaker 2: character he looked at him. The hair, you know, the

448
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Speaker 2: Beatles were big. He had that haircut. He and the

449
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Speaker 2: first code the white Shoes, the greatest released quarterback has

450
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Speaker 2: ever unveiled. But he was had a bar the commissioner

451
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Speaker 2: told him to, you know, he had to Bachelor's three.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there was a lot of stuff going on

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Speaker 2: with Joe in New York and then through all the

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Speaker 2: women in there as well, and.

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Speaker 11: Well, well and Johnny Uniteds was kind of like bedrock

456
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Speaker 11: nineteen fifties establishment and Joe Namath was rebellion. And even

457
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Speaker 11: though you know he wasn't a rock star, he kind

458
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Speaker 11: of looked like one, even more than a quarterback. I

459
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Speaker 11: mean he was kind of hunched over, and you know,

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Speaker 11: he he like I said, you know, he was the

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Speaker 11: first to offer it his lifestyle and I think that,

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Speaker 11: like his influence in the zeitgeist is so big, and

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Speaker 11: I'm right, I mean, you know, look, he didn't he

464
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Speaker 11: didn't have like a great career in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 11: But when you're talking about the pantheon of American men

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Speaker 11: who have like influenced culture, he's part of it. And

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Speaker 11: you know, he's up there with some very, very very

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Speaker 11: famous Americans.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I like in Johnny unit As, he was right out

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Speaker 2: of Mayberry or Leave It to Beaver, and Namath was

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Speaker 2: Phonsie on happy Days. He was just he was the

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Speaker 2: cool guy, leather leather jacket. It's great talking to you again.

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Speaker 2: I wish you well with the book. And have you

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Speaker 2: talked to Bill Belichick recently?

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Speaker 11: Oh my gosh, no, But you know, I think they're

477
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Speaker 11: going to figure things out there. And I think that,

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Speaker 11: like you know, look, he's changed a lot, and and

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Speaker 11: you know, our impression of him has changed a lot

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Speaker 11: in the past couple of years, and I think that,

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Speaker 11: like in talking to people close to him, I think

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Speaker 11: you can't underestimate how pissed he is at the way

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Speaker 11: that things ended in New England. Not just that he

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Speaker 11: was kind of you know that that he did and

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Speaker 11: on his terms exactly, but just you know, the Dynasty

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Speaker 11: docuseries and what that did to his reputation. You know

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Speaker 11: how Don Vanatta and Jeremy Fowler and I reported that

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Speaker 11: Robert Kraft, you know, didn't do him any favors when

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Speaker 11: he was trying to get back in the league after

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Speaker 11: the Patriots let him go, Oh I'm sorry, after there

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Speaker 11: was a mutual party. And you know, I think that, like,

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Speaker 11: you know, the news that came out last week about

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Speaker 11: you know, banning the Scouts is not just notable in

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Speaker 11: the sense that, you know, the guy can hold a grudge,

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Speaker 11: but it's also that he's willing to be so public

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Speaker 11: with it. And I think that is so much different

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Speaker 11: than the Bill Belichick that we know. I mean, this

498
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Speaker 11: is a guy who, I think, as much as anybody

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Speaker 11: in American public life the past twenty years, has been

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Speaker 11: careful with his words and chosen his words carefully. And

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Speaker 11: we're seeing a little bit of a different Bill now.

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Speaker 11: And you know, it's it's fascinating to watch the vapor

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Speaker 11: trail from the dynasty, not the DOCUSERI, but just the

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Speaker 11: dynasty with the greatness they accomplished, continues to to you know,

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Speaker 11: really continues to this day.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But who should be more upset with their exit? Brady

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Speaker 2: or Belichick? With the Patriots? I mean, Tom got embarrassed.

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Speaker 11: Who should be more? Yeah, Well, you know, Tom, you

510
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Speaker 11: know he won, you know, he won the narrative forever,

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Speaker 11: and you know, whether he wanted to or not. And

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Speaker 11: I think that, like obviously he wanted to prove that

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Speaker 11: there is a different way to win and see if

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Speaker 11: there is a different way to win. But you know,

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Speaker 11: I think that like this stuff that's happened between Belichick

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Speaker 11: and Craft, you know, look, Belichick and Brady are in

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Speaker 11: a good place. Like you know, these guys are never

518
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Speaker 11: going to be spit in your palm pals, but you

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Speaker 11: know they're in a good place in terms of their relationship.

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Speaker 11: I think it's going to take a lot of work

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Speaker 11: for the relationship between Robert Craft and Bill Belichick to

522
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Speaker 11: you know, be in a good place if that ever happens.

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Speaker 3: Good luck with the book. Right to catch up with

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Speaker 3: you again, Thank you, Seth, Thanks man, great to see you,

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Speaker 3: Seth Wickersham. The book is out today.

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Speaker 2: It's called American King's a Biography of the Quarterback. It's

527
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 2: a life cycle. It looks at the high school, college,

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Speaker 2: NFL and then retirement of some of the great quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: of all time. We'll take a break. Phone calls coming up,

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Speaker 2: and it's going to be rhyme time with Fritzi. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it is back after this.

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Speaker 2: There hasn't been a no hitter in Major League Baseball

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Speaker 2: this season. Last full season without a no no was

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Speaker 2: two thousand and five, but it was on this date

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Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty five Sandy Kofax through his fourth career

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Speaker 2: no hitter and first perfect game in a win against

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Speaker 2: the Cubs. Marvin asked a question during the commercial break,

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Speaker 2: the most famous quorderback when you were growing up? And

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Speaker 2: I would probably say Joe Namath was famous, but it

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Speaker 2: was it was different because he wasn't the best quarterback.

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Speaker 2: I thought Lenny Dawson was a better quarterback. But what

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Speaker 2: Joe did and what he did in New York, and

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Speaker 2: he did it for the Jets, and he won the

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl and the big underdog and and he's such

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Speaker 2: a nice person too, And he just had charisma. He

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Speaker 2: had it when you're wearing white shoes like you you

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Speaker 2: better be really good. And he had long hair and

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Speaker 2: he wore like this big fur coat on the sidelines

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Speaker 2: when he was injured for a game he played at

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Speaker 2: Shay terrible field, but oh what a what a release. Gosh,

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Speaker 2: I think it might be the you know, if you're

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Speaker 2: looking at pure quarterback throwing it, he made it look effortless.

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Speaker 2: So I would say him Bart's starr because he was

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Speaker 2: with the Packers and they were winning championships, they won

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Speaker 2: Super Bowls. Johnny Unitis, he was a little bit before

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Speaker 2: my time, but I would say those guys in the

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Speaker 2: late sixties, early seventies, and your quarterback back then, wasn't

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Speaker 2: somebody throwing thirty touchdowns? Ye, Bart's Starr, Bob Greasy. They weren't,

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Speaker 2: you know, stat stuffers. They weren't going to put up

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Speaker 2: incredible numbers there. But they back then, being a field general,

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Speaker 2: they would call it. They were field generals. Joe Fisman

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Speaker 2: became famous. He was a celebrity of sorts, and then

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Speaker 2: he was dating who was he dating on that show?

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Speaker 6: Todd Oh like believe it or not? Do something like that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Kathy Lee Krassey.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he was a celebrity. But I don't know

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Speaker 2: if did you have a quarterback growing up up where

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Speaker 2: you go? Roger Staubach was another one who lives who

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Speaker 2: became because he was the Cowboys quarterback and he had

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Speaker 2: been in the military, Naval Academy, Heisman Trophy winner. He

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Speaker 2: was something special. You know, those were the first ones

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Speaker 2: that I came across, Yes, Marvin.

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Speaker 5: For me, it's probably Dan Marino.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I saw him first a in the movie ace Ventura

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Speaker 5: Pet Detective. Yeah, and I didn't know he was a

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Speaker 5: real quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Uh, Dylan, did you have one?

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Speaker 9: I mean, for me, it was really like Brady and

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Speaker 9: Peyton Manning were kind their prime was sort of when

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Speaker 9: I was in my.

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Speaker 3: Youth, somebou seen.

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Speaker 7: Uh well, I was a big Dan Marino fan. But

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Speaker 7: if when you asked me the most famous quarterback from

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Speaker 7: when I was young, it would have been Phil Simms. Okay,

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Speaker 7: he was you know Jersey Jersey, the Giants. We were

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Speaker 7: on a run, you know, Phil Simms was like as

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Speaker 7: big as it got.

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Speaker 3: God.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I was always big on the Cowboys Steelers, so

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Speaker 8: like Staback and Bradshaw. But again, the one that I

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Speaker 8: really felt like, like what Marvel was saying, Dan Rena.

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Speaker 6: From me, it was like the first tie with the

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Speaker 6: curly hair and the tan.

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Speaker 2: And the good one he did the Isi Toner glove commercial. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: then he you know when he's playing himself in the

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Speaker 2: movie with Jim Carrey. All right, time to do rhyme time,

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Speaker 2: Todd give us gets uh, get the rules.

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Speaker 3: Let everybody know how to play rhyme time.

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Speaker 8: I'm gonna give you a pair of clues. The answer

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Speaker 8: the words rhymes are one word. Answer is that rhyme

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Speaker 8: with each other. So it'll be like we did.

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Speaker 6: Bengal Broadcast Award was Burrow Morrow. That's how the game go.

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Speaker 2: Here we go groin NBC's Melissa Clark Stark Clark Star.

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Speaker 6: Kaitlin Clark bowing that groin injury and Melissa Stark.

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Speaker 8: Of course buccaneer pretender, buccaneer Baker, Baker Faker.

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Speaker 6: Now we're on a roll here. Pat's leader capable, Pat's

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Speaker 6: leader capable.

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Speaker 5: Able?

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Speaker 6: Are you go? Wow? You guys are banging these out.

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Speaker 12: Okay, State Head married with children, gundhy Bun Dundee, Bundy,

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Speaker 12: Red Sox Great Tennis Champ, Red Sox Great Tennis Champ.

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Speaker 8: I think of current tennis great players number eight with Boston,

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Speaker 8: Kari Stremski and who was what they call coll Yes,

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Speaker 8: who's a great tennis player these days.

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Speaker 13: Al ch Alcorazes run yes, Alcoraz car protector, car protector,

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Speaker 13: M's bat car protector, m's bat.

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Speaker 3: Bumper, jumper jumper.

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Speaker 6: That's what it is. Buckeye land hint, buckeye land hint.

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Speaker 6: Another word for a hint, shoe clue, the horseshoe shoe clue.

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Speaker 6: I got a few more here.

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Speaker 8: Longhorn Madness, Longhorn Madness, Arch March, Arch, March.

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Speaker 6: This is how it works. Sweetness Dodger for Paul Sweetness Dodger.

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Speaker 2: Peyton Clayton, Peyton Clayton, Rains NBC, Rains, NBC.

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Speaker 6: It was Tim Rain's nickname.

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Speaker 2: Rock NBC thirty Peacock, Rock, Peacock.

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Speaker 3: Okay, we got three more.

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Speaker 14: I think we can get him in Irving, our friend

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Speaker 14: Irving seven, Irving seven, the man they call seven Irving

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Speaker 14: from our show, Irving.

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Speaker 3: Seven, l Way oh Way Leader.

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Speaker 6: I can't do the pronunce.

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Speaker 3: I can't do it.

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Speaker 7: Michael Irvin, I was thinking, I'm like Michael and Michael Vick,

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Speaker 7: Michael Michael. But it was that it was Irving.

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Speaker 6: Leader, Aristotle Leader, Aristotle.

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Speaker 3: Shack Dack Jack.

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Speaker 8: Shaq would be Leader Aristotle Dak Shack and the last

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Speaker 8: one is Let's ride flex.

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Speaker 6: Let's ride flex.

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Speaker 3: Russell muscle Russell M. We did it. Yeah, with a

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Speaker 3: minute and a half to spare. Thank you, ton.

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Speaker 7: I like the way you did those clues. They were

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Speaker 7: a little they were a little off. They weren't some

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Speaker 7: of them were pretty on the nose, but some of

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Speaker 7: them it took you a minute to get there.

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Speaker 3: That was good.

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Speaker 2: Uh, Terry and Tennessee morning, Terry. What's on your mind today?

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Speaker 7: Hey?

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Speaker 1: What's up?

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Speaker 8: Dan?

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Speaker 3: How you doing good?

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Speaker 15: Hey man, I got to give you props for props

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Speaker 15: to do. You've made great recommendations on those Padrones and

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Speaker 15: those my Father's and if you hadn't tried the new

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Speaker 15: my Father's Blue, you'll love it. That's that's probably pointed

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Speaker 15: by twelve bucks. You'll love it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Terry.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, those are cigars if you can't get Cuban cigars,

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Speaker 2: and they're even tougher to get now.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: The Padrone Anniversary series is always great and my father Uh,

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Speaker 2: nice price point, you know, maybe ten dollars, eleven dollars,

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Speaker 2: twelve dollars, great CIGARH And I have no affiliation and

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Speaker 2: with you know, any of these cigars. I'm just telling

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Speaker 2: you that if I'm smoking, I usually have my father.

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Speaker 2: But the padrona anniversary that's more expensive. But that's a

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Speaker 2: great cigar. Never had a bad padron. Now, if you

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Speaker 2: give me a Hoyot demonaey, I don't smoke that, that's

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Speaker 2: a great cigar. Or boulevar. Uh, there's there's quite a

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Speaker 2: few of them. If you smoke cigars and drank tequila,

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Speaker 2: for Deliza is the great tequila.

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Speaker 3: You can't get anymore.

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Speaker 2: For some reason, everybody started buying it up, or they

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Speaker 2: stop making it enough.

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Speaker 3: But the secrets out. Damn