WEBVTT - Google, Menendez Brothers & Luigi Mangione 0:00:02.759 --> 0:00:07.520 This is Bloomberg Law with June Grossel from Bloomberg Radio. 0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:12.840 The resentencing hearing for the Menendez brothers was delayed again 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:13.640 last week. 0:00:14.000 --> 0:00:16.239 I would ask you'd asked the DA why at the 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:19.799 last minute he doesn't hail mary filing of emotion to 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:22.959 continue and does not notify any of the. 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:26.160 Victims or the victim's lawyer. Why what is going on? 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:30.320 Whose interest is he? Vindicating The newly elected LA District 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:34.640 Attorney Nathan Hakman through a curveball. Just hours before the 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:37.600 hearing was supposed to begin, he asked for a delay, 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:41.000 arguing that the judge should first see a risk assessment 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:44.800 on the brothers done by the California Parole Board as 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:46.400 part of a separate proceeding. 0:00:47.000 --> 0:00:50.880 We believed it constituted additional facts that the court should 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:54.280 consider in deciding whether or not the Menendez brothers do 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:57.280 pose a risk of danger to society. 0:00:57.600 --> 0:01:01.080 Hawkman reversed corps from the prior d who said the 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:04.600 brothers had been rehabilitated while in prison and should be 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:10.200 eligible for parole as youthful offenders. But Hawkman firmly opposes 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:11.959 the resentencing. 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:14.840 In order to be truly rehabilitated, you have to acknowledge 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:18.119 the full breadth of your criminal conduct, your cover up, 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:19.160 and your lives. 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:23.360 Mark Geragos, the brother's attorney, is calling for Hawkman to 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:26.880 be thrown off the case, saying the DA is biased 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:30.360 against the brothers and not acting in good faith with 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:34.640 the other Menandez family members, including some who flew in 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:38.360 to testify at the hearing. Joining me is Attorney Dave Ahrenberg, 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:42.600 the former Palm Beach County State Attorney. A report on 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:48.120 each brother was recently conducted by a forensic psychologist as 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:51.800 part of the Parole Board's clemency investigation. Why did this 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:55.040 end up delaying the hearing that had been scheduled, Well, the. 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:57.520 Judge wants to make sure he's got all the information. 0:01:57.680 --> 0:02:02.880 Because the judge actually rejected the demands of the district 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:07.160 attorney to not have the resentencing. The previous district attorney 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:11.600 wanted the resentencing. The newly elected district attorney did not 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:15.720 want the resentencing. So the judge said surprisingly that Nope, 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:18.959 no takebacks. We're going to go ahead with this resentencing, 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:20.959 and we want to make sure that we have every 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:25.440 possible document so that if the Menandaz brothers get released, 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:30.240 that the judge has some cover from outside experts. Isn't 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:34.000 just releasing these brutal murders into the public without enough 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:36.040 paperwork to justify it. 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:38.799 Is the judge entitled to hear something from a separate 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:43.800 proceeding before the parole board. There are two completely separate things, 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:45.160 aren't they right? 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:47.640 The parle board is different, but it's relevant for the judge. 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:52.760 The judge is the boss. He can decide to examine 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:56.040 whatever he wants to because this is not a jury trial. 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:59.280 This is not about the rules of evidence in keeping 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:01.200 things from the jury to make sure the defendant gets 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:03.720 a fair trial. This is about getting as much information 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:06.440 as possible so the judge can make a decision on 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:08.799 the resentence. Maybe what the judge decide, the pro Board 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:10.960 will get involved. In fact, the pro Board could get 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:15.919 involved even if the judge decides to reject a Menendez 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:20.760 brother's request to get out of jail early, because then 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:24.120 the governor, through the clemency process, could refer to the 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:27.480 pro board. So the pro Board is relevant regardless of 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:29.160 what the judge says or does. 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:34.600 The District Attorney's team filed a motion for continuance just 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:37.800 hours before the hearing. I mean, they knew this was 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:40.800 out there, Why so late to try to delay this? 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:44.400 You know, I don't know that answer. The defense lawyers 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:47.240 have been wanting to speed up this process for a 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:51.360 while because their clients sit behind bars, So I don't 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:54.000 know why they decide to delay it right now. Maybe 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:57.440 it's because they had not fully vetted this reporter. Maybe 0:03:57.480 --> 0:03:59.520 the report has some damaging things in it that they 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:02.560 need to respond to, So maybe that's perhaps the answer. 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:06.960 So let's talk about this second district attorney, the newly 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:12.120 elected district attorney who says that Eric and Lylemanendez have 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:15.800 to admit that they've lied to everyone for the past 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:20.239 thirty years, and also says that the abuse they're claiming 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:23.479 doesn't amount to a self defense claim. And this sort 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:26.679 of always hits me with parole hearings where they want 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:30.080 the accused to say that they're guilty. Why is it 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:33.640 so important to him to hear them say that they lied? 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:37.640 Because they lied, So that's why he wants them to 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:41.000 mess up, because they're liars. They lied throughout the whole process. 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:43.640 They lied about the motivations. At first, they said they 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:45.840 weren't even the killers. They were going out there living 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:49.480 large until finally it got back to them. These Menenda's 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:52.080 brothers tried to cover their tracks, and that's why a 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:55.320 lot of us think that they should face the penalty 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:57.880 of the jury and the judge gave them, which is 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:01.480 life in prison. And so there on the brink of 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:05.480 getting a major break here, and so the least that 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:08.440 they could do, according to the district attorneys, at least 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:12.040 admit that you lied, at least emit and own up 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:13.760 to what you did so that you can show real 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:17.599 remorse instead of all the smokescreens have been putting up 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:19.599 for the past several decades. 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:24.039 But isn't it resentencing about whether or not they've changed 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:26.440 and rehabilitated themselves in prison. 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:30.200 Well, there's two things. The original DA who was voted 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:34.000 out of office, said that he supported the resentencing because 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:38.280 the brothers supposedly were on really good behavior and were 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:43.000 model prisoners, and that is a reason why the former 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:45.960 DA wanted them released. That's the main reason. But there's 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:49.279 another reason that will come up in the resentencing hearing, 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:53.240 in that the defense is saying that the brothers were 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:57.000 not allowed to pursue their abuse excuse, which is that 0:05:57.680 --> 0:06:02.599 their father, Jose sexually abused him, and that modifies the 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:06.560 crime because they're saying that it's now manslaughter instead of murder. 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:10.000 That they were under extreme emotional stress, they were acting 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:13.640 as victims of sexual abuse and that's why they did it. 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:16.919 They were not allowed to bring up that defense at trial. 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:19.479 So there are two avenues that the defense is going. 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:23.320 Number one, that their model prisoners and deserve to be 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:27.599 released early. And number two that they were victims of 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:30.120 sexual abuse from the father and thus there should be 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:32.680 a manslaughter case and not a murder case. And if 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:35.640 it is a manslaughter conviction, then they would have been 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:36.320 out already. 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:39.039 Yeah, because in the first trial the evidence or the 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:42.039 testimony about sex abuse was allowed in and then the 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:44.479 second trial it wasn't correct. 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:47.039 And this is the second trial that convicted them. The 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:50.040 first trial led to a hung jury. Of course, in 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:54.000 boat trials they were wearing those mister rogers Wedters had 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:57.040 to try to soften them after himing such a brutal crime, 0:06:57.480 --> 0:07:01.320 being such a spoiled and titled kids who lived high 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:04.040 in the hog after they murdered their parents. And keep 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:07.080 in mind, when they did what they did, the parents 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:09.600 had their backs turned to them. The parents were watching 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:13.240 TV eating ice cream on the couch while the boys 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:16.680 walked up behind them and then blew them away with shotguns. 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:20.240 And when the mother tried crawling away because she didn't die, 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:24.880 the boys went back outside to reload their shotgun to 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:28.080 come in and finish the job. And there was so 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:32.160 much blood at the scene that investigators thought it was 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:35.720 a mob hit. And the brothers lied. They lied the 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:38.440 whole time, and they lied until they could lie no more. 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:41.600 And that's why the DA's saying, all right, guys, own 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:43.600 up to what you did, own up to what you said, 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:45.800 and then you can get a break. 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:50.320 Where does it play in that Almost all except I 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:55.040 think for one of the family members are supporting their 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:56.800 bid to get out of prison. 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:01.640 Yeah, this has become a cause slept and the momentum 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:04.800 is clearly with the brothers. They've been all the movies, 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:10.400 documentaries and time does heal some wounds and so with 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:14.320 new information also about Jose's sexual abuse allegedly of the 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:18.800 minudo boy band member, and then some other evidence that 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:21.600 was not admitted in the second trial where apparently one 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:24.320 of the brothers confided in someone that he was a 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:29.600 victim of sexual abuse. That all this together has galvanized 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:33.800 the family to support the brothers, not all the family, 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:40.320 but almost all. But the DA doesn't represent the victims 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:43.160 or the families. The DA represents the people. It's the 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:46.360 state the people, and the DA has to make the 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:49.839 best decision based on principles of justice, and this DA 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:53.160 says principles of justice mean they should not get out 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:56.640 of prison now. It's not just the DA's call, it's 0:08:56.720 --> 0:09:00.560 the judge's call now, and the former DA help push 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:03.040 this along. That's why the judge has a lot of power. 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:06.640 And even if the judge says no, then the governor 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:09.120 could still get involved and work with a pro board 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:10.480 to let them free. 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:14.120 The defense attorney feels that this DA is prejudiced against them, 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:19.199 and even the family members complained because during the last hearing, 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:25.040 the DA showed those gruesome photos of the murders without 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:28.000 telling them that that was going to happen, and one 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:30.640 of the ants ended up in the hospital and the 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:33.880 family said she'd been traumatized by the photos, and the 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:38.280 deputy DA apologized for not warning them, but said Eric 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:41.920 and Lyle Menendez caused that carnage, not me, which almost 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:45.160 sounds like a retraction of the apology. So it seems 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:48.480 like the La County DA has taken some missteps, and 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:51.720 so the defense attorney is asking for the DA to 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:55.280 be thrown off the case and replaced by the Attorney 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:57.360 General of the state. Is that at all likely? 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:00.480 Yeah? I don't think that should happen, And I don't 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:03.240 think the DA has crossed the line of the days 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:06.679 using the pictures of what had happened. I mean, if 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:08.839 you're going to let them free, you got to come 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:12.040 to grips with what they did and not just gloss 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:14.960 over it. It shouldn't be a one sided conversation. I mean, 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:18.920 they committed a brutal, horrific crime, and just because decades 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:22.120 have passed and now Kim Kardashian and major celebrities are 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:24.440 behind them, doesn't mean you get a whitewash what they did. 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:26.920 And so that's where the DA's like, hey, remember what 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:29.760 they did. Remember who were murdered here? I mean he's 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:34.240 giving voice to Kitty and Jose. And even if Jose 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:38.840 committed sexual abuse of the brothers, does that justify what 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:41.120 they did to Kitty. I mean, Kitty was murdered in 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:43.440 such a horrific way when she was trying to crawl 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:46.679 away to save her life. That I don't see how 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:50.040 that would be justified under manslaughter principles and not pure murder. 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:53.240 I mean, there's no credible allegation that Kitty engaged in 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:55.320 sexual abuse with the kids. Now the argument is that 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:57.760 she looked the other way, But does that justify her 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:01.280 brutal murder? So that's why I think, you know, I 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:04.560 understand why the DA one of those pictures in of 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:06.719 course they should should have given some notice, but that's 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:07.960 not enough to kick them off the case. 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:11.679 And so, and as you said, even if the judge 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:15.640 resentences them, they'll still have to go before the parole board. 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:21.480 You know, the pro board does have an involvement here, 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:26.800 and yes, they'd still be involved. And that's why it's 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:30.440 not just the judge that makes the complete decision. The 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:33.560 par board is involved. And even if the judge decides 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:37.240 to reject the request from the defense, the pro board 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:41.120 will get involved. If the governor decides to move ahead 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:41.720 with clemency. 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:46.440 Yeah, nothing stops the governor from granting clemency. And the 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:50.880 rehearing is now reschedule from May ninth. We'll see if 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:54.720 it actually takes place this time coming up next on 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:57.920 the Bloomberg Law Show. I'll continue this conversation with Dave 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:01.880 Ahrenberg on Friday. Luigia Mangioni is set to make his 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:05.920 first appearance in federal court since the Justice Department said 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:10.000 it would seek the death penalty in charging mangione murdered 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:14.120 a United Healthcare executive. I'm June Grosso. When you're listening 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:19.240 to Bloomberg. On Friday, Luigi Mangioni is set to make 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:23.319 his first appearance in federal court since the Justice Department 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:26.640 said it would seek the death penalty. The twenty six 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:30.520 year old Ivy League graduate was indicted on a federal 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:34.720 murder charge in the killing of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson. 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:39.080 Mangioni's indictment, returned by a federal grand jury in Manhattan, 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:42.679 includes a charge of murder through the use of a firearm, 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:46.839 which carries the possibility of the death penalty. I've been 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:50.280 talking to Dave Ahrenberg, former Palm Beach County State Attorney. 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:55.199 Why are the Feds bringing charges as well as the state. 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:58.720 The Feds have a time for here. Number One, they 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:01.640 get to show that they are tough on crime, that 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:05.400 they are reversing the Biden error policy on having a 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:08.640 moratorium on the death penalty. And number two, they get 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:11.360 to own the libs. I mean, those are two big 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:16.800 motivations for this administration because Luigi Mangioni support really comes 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:21.199 from folks on the left who hate insurance companies and 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:25.000 treat Luigi as a hero for what he did. And 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:28.200 so the Trump administration gets to burnish their tough on 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:31.640 crime credentials while at the same time upsetting those who 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:36.280 never supported them to begin with, upsetting the people who 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:41.160 are the most strident anti Trump advocates. And that's why 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:43.360 they're doing what they're doing, even though because I got 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:45.439 to believe they don't really believe they're going to get 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:47.240 the death penalty in New York. New York is a 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:50.640 blue state, and you have to get a unanimous jury 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:53.400 to impose a death penalty there, and that's going to 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:56.760 be really, really hard to do, especially because you've got 0:13:56.760 --> 0:14:01.320 a young guy with no criminal record, who is good looking, 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:05.760 in a cause celeb and just the reality it's tough 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:09.120 in those kinds of cases to give someone capital punishment. 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:12.000 All the reasons you gave for why the federal government 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:15.960 is bringing these charges are political reasons, not legal reasons, 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:18.720 not based on a pursuit of justice. 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:21.480 Well, those reasons I gave are the reasons why they're 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:24.320 seeking the death penalty. Now, as far as reasons why 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:27.200 they're prosecuting the case, I would add that I do 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:30.640 think there is a feeling within the Trump administration that 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:34.560 New York prosecutors are not to be trusted because in 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:37.880 this case, the DA is Alvian Bragg Junior, who is 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:41.360 the prosecutor prosecutor Donald Trump in Manhattan. 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:42.360 And he got a conviction. I don't know why they 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:43.440 don't trust him. 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:46.240 Well, yeah, they don't trust him because they think he's political, 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:48.600 and they don't They just don't like him. So they 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:51.680 are using themselves as a backstop to make sure that 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:56.040 this case gets treated in the right way and as 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:58.960 harshly as they believe it should be treated. They don't 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:02.120 trust Alvin Bragg for the reasons I just mentioned. So 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:04.480 for all these reasons, yes, a lot of them are political, 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:08.280 but keep in mind the evidence is overwhelming against luigim MANJIONI. 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:10.360 Although I don't think he'll get the death penalty, I 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:12.320 don't think there's any doubt that he'll be convicted I mean, 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:17.000 he wrote a confession, they got pictures of him clearly 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:19.240 as the guy who did it, from the hostel to 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:21.920 the on the street, and it really was a cowardly 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:24.000 thing to do. I mean, if you have a beef 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:26.400 in the insurance company, you don't lie in wait, wear 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:28.960 a mask, shoot someone in the back and run away. 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:30.600 That's cowardly. He's a hero. 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:33.400 There's a ton of evidence. I'm not saying that. I'm 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:37.240 just disagreeing about the FEDS bringing charges and getting around 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:40.640 the double jeopardy because this doesn't look like a case 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:42.920 that the FED should be involved in. He's going to 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:45.720 be tried in New York. It's a state crime. 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:48.680 Yes, but there are other cases where the Feds. 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:51.080 Will I know, and I disagreed with those two. They're 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:53.320 able to get around that not being tried twice for 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:54.200 the same crime. 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:57.280 But it's a separate sovereign you know, you're allowed to 0:15:57.320 --> 0:15:59.960 try people twice if it's not the same exact crime. 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:02.720 In the federal and the state are also you know, 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:05.720 they're separate sovereigns. So it happens. Now. One time it 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:08.960 didn't happen was when the state decided to prosecute Paul 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:12.320 Maniford after he was pardoned by Donald Trump at for 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:14.160 federal crimes, and the state of New York tried to 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:16.280 do that and the state Supreme Court said, Nope, can't 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:18.320 do that here. But it doesn't work quite that way 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:19.160 the other way around. 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:24.720 And Mangioni's lawyers are arguing that the Attorney General, Pam Bondi, 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:28.360 announcing that she was ordering prosecutors to seek the death 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:33.560 penalty before he was indicted was a stunt, political stunt 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:36.320 that corrupted the grand jury process and derived him of 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:38.440 his constitutional right to do process. 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:41.840 I disagree. It may have been a political stunt, but 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:44.840 it doesn't deprive him of his right to do process. 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:47.240 It didn't taint the grand jury. I mean, the grand 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:50.360 jury did what they did. They focus on the evidence 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:53.560 and the law, and there's plenty of evidence to indict 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:56.720 him for first degree murder at the state level and 0:16:56.800 --> 0:16:59.080 for the federal charges as well. So I don't think 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:02.040 it handed the jury have been political stunt. But you know, 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:03.520 these are the types of things that happen, you know, 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:05.760 you know what else is the political stunt? When Eric 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:12.000 Adams walked with the armed team surrounding Luigim Mangoni on 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:13.800 the way to court, Like, what was that about. I mean, 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:15.680 this case is politicized from the beginning. 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:18.719 That was a political stunt, there is no doubt about it. 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:22.240 I mean the response to that was why is he 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:26.639 escorting him? Everybody wanted a piece of Luigi Mangoni's fame 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:27.840 or infamy. 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:31.639 That was awful. Politicians shouldn't be the mess around the 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:34.760 criminal justice system because and only jeopardizes cases when you 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:37.359 do that. But even that, I thought that was over 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:39.639 the top, that Eric Adams shouldn't have been walking with 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:44.440 the armed law enforcement officers who are escorting luigim Angoni. 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:46.359 But even that, I don't think the prize them all 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:47.639 right to a fair trial. I mean, this is the 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:50.119 case that everyone's going to hear about, everyone's going to know, 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:52.000 people are going to draw their own opinions, and you 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:54.560 just have to find a jury that will set aside 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:57.240 what they know and any buas they have and just 0:17:57.280 --> 0:17:59.119 follow the evidence of the law. And I've seen that 0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:01.919 happen in every high profile case, and I've been involved 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:03.600 with a few of them, and you can always find 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:05.440 a jury. I mean, they found a jury for Donald Trump. 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:08.480 Everyone knew about him and everyone had opinions about him. 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:11.920 But yet they found an unbiased jury in Manhattan that 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:13.480 listened to the evidence and followed the law. 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:16.200 In New York, though, it seems like the case has 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:20.399 been overcharged with the first degree murder charges that have 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:24.800 to be in furtherance of an act of terrorism, which 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:28.280 the legal definition of his intent to intimidate or coerce 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:31.760 the civilian population or a government unit, And that doesn't 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:33.439 seem to be the case here. First of all, was 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:36.000 in the early morning hours when there was no one around. 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:39.400 I agree with you, I think the case is overcharged 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:41.160 in New York. New York is a weird system where 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:43.440 it's not first degree murder unless it has some sort 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:46.879 of enhance or like some sort of extra like terrorism. 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:51.280 So that's why Alvin Bragg got that indictment about terrorism, 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:54.080 even though really isn't an act of terrorism. I don't think, 0:18:54.119 --> 0:18:56.480 I mean, was he trying to intimidate the public. His 0:18:56.560 --> 0:19:00.000 writings said that he was trying to avoid any public cash, 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:02.879 any innocence. He was trying to avoid that, and he 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:06.199 focused entirely on this one individual. And you see by 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:08.600 the public support behind him, it's not exactly he was 0:19:08.600 --> 0:19:10.720 trying to terrorize people. If anything, he was trying to 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:14.639 galvanize them behind him and his cause to fight against 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:17.000 the insurance company. So I think that's like a square 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:18.440 peg in a round hole. I think it's gonna be 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:20.800 hard for them to get that enhancer. And that is 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:23.760 another reason why the FEDS have come in. I think 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:26.719 fed saw that saw that they really don't have a 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:29.400 true first or murder statue that applies here in New York. 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:31.960 So let's come in with our own, and not only 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:34.640 will we ensure he gets life in prison, we'll even 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:37.320 seek the death penalty, which again not going to happen, 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:40.760 but I do think they'll ensure that he never spends 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:43.439 a day outside the prison for the rest of his life. 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:46.760 Let's turn down to the case against p Diddy. Opening 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:50.159 statements in the trial are set for May twelfth. What 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:54.399 are the charges against him? Because the prosecution has updated 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:57.240 the indictment three times. 0:19:57.240 --> 0:20:02.040 In the Didty case, the he did superseding indictments, which 0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:06.480 was expected. What they've done is they've added parties to it, 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:10.600 new victims, They've added more detail to it. There's more 0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:14.320 counts now, so you know that's what happens in these 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:17.480 types of cases. When more information comes forward, and did 0:20:17.520 --> 0:20:20.400 he wanted a postponement saying there's all these new victims 0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:22.760 now to like two more victims, we need more time 0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:26.120 to prepare. But those victims were mentioned in the first 0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:29.640 superseding indictment back into January, and so they've got plenty 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:31.360 of time to prepare for trial. The trial is going 0:20:31.400 --> 0:20:33.760 in the beginning of May, and so they had had 0:20:33.880 --> 0:20:37.520 enough time. Plus even if these individuals were not mentioned 0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:41.080 until January. Did he knew what was going on? He 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:43.439 knew what he did, and so it's not like any 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:45.159 of this stuff is a big surprise for him. His 0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:47.560 attorneys may not have known exactly what the charges would 0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:50.760 it be, but they knew with plenty of time for 0:20:50.800 --> 0:20:51.439 the May trial. 0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:55.520 I was surprised that he didn't get bail. I mean, 0:20:55.600 --> 0:20:58.800 they could have had electronic monitoring of him so he 0:20:58.840 --> 0:21:02.240 wouldn't escape the country. Why do you think they didn't 0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:03.520 give him any bail at all? 0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:07.399 Because he's a rich guy who has tried to tamper 0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:11.400 with witnesses. So you've got tampering with witnesses, and you've 0:21:11.440 --> 0:21:16.040 got person with means who lives in Miami right on 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:18.679 the water, easy to send a boat, just get out 0:21:18.720 --> 0:21:21.560 of dodge. So I think it was the right move 0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:23.960 to keep behind bars. You want to do justice for 0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:26.640 the victims here, and there's no justice. So he's able 0:21:26.680 --> 0:21:29.480 to leave to a country that has no extradition policy. 0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:32.479 Have they indicated yet what the defense will be. 0:21:32.920 --> 0:21:37.800 His defense is going to be consent for the victims 0:21:37.840 --> 0:21:40.239