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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A Minnesota woman, a petite

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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us in

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Speaker 1: the last hours. Major breaking news in the case of

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Speaker 1: Lois Ree her husband found dead shot by apparently a shotgun.

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Speaker 1: The ballistics still out on that. Fifty four year old

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Speaker 1: David Reese in Blooming Prairie found dead on his worm

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Speaker 1: farm with a blanket over him, shot multiple times. Police

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Speaker 1: now believe his lovely wife, Lois. The petite platinum blonde,

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Speaker 1: then forge's business in personal check, stealing about eleven grand

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Speaker 1: casinos and paraded across lobbies and through gambling machines in

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Speaker 1: full view of surveillance video. Gambles to her heart's content,

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Speaker 1: up in Fort Myers Beach. It catches her talking with

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Speaker 1: a petite platinum blonde doppelganger named Pam Hutchinson at an

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Speaker 1: oyster bar well Louis Rice now accused of befriending Pamela,

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Speaker 1: murdering her, stealing her ID and credit cards and car,

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Speaker 1: and then going on the run. She is apprehended just

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Speaker 1: five star hotel, yacking it up with another blonde doppel ganger.

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Speaker 1: What she needed to kill a third person so she

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Speaker 1: could steal her identity across the border undetected. Wow. Well,

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Speaker 1: in the last hours we learned that formal charges have

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Speaker 1: been handed down in Minnesota for the death of Reese's husband.

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Speaker 1: What does it mean? Will she face the death penalty?

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Speaker 1: Not in Minnesota, but she is charged with murder one

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Speaker 1: degree murder. In the alternative, again accused of shooting and

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Speaker 1: killing her husband, fifty four year old David Race. I

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Speaker 1: guess life on the worm farm just wasn't enough for Lois.

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Speaker 1: How in the world did we land in a court

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Speaker 1: of law? Fifty four year old David Rees in Blooming

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Speaker 1: Lois Reese, a platinum blonde who then turns up a

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Speaker 1: TV surveillance video at Smoking Oyster Brewery chatting up another

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Speaker 1: They're drinking, they're talking, they're laughing. She's really holding court

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Speaker 1: at this bar, Smoking Oyster Brewery. It just sounds like

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Speaker 1: a good time, right. Well, that woman Pam hutcheson. Guess

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Speaker 1: what she bears an amazing similarity a semblance to Lois,

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Speaker 1: That's right, Lois Reese on the run, assuming her doppel

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Speaker 1: ganger's identity. I want to go first to John Elmley,

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Speaker 1: John Crime Stories, investigative reporter, start at the beginning and

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Speaker 1: give me a capsualization of Lois Reese's rampage. Nancy David

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Speaker 1: Reese's business partner called Authorities, to ask them to check

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Speaker 1: seen David Reese in more than two weeks, and after

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Speaker 1: quickly learned that Lois may have been at a casino

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Speaker 1: know joining me Alexis tres chat from Radar online dot Com.

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Speaker 1: How do we know that it was Lois Reese that

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Speaker 1: They weren't the same person. So she's caught on camera there,

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Speaker 1: because she's got all this money from her dead victims.

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Speaker 1: And there's no way you can tell me that she

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Speaker 1: The alleged killer believes this woman, Hutchinson, was her doppelganger,

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Speaker 1: her look alike. And when you put them jack, you

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Speaker 1: look at this. Look at their faces side by side. Now,

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Speaker 1: and Hutchinson has her shortened bouncy. But you pull the

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Speaker 1: hair back and change the hair color, that's totally a

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Speaker 1: look alike. So she goes from casino to casino and

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Speaker 1: This is still four days before Hutchinson is found dead.

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Speaker 1: What describe what you see on the video, John Limley.

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Speaker 1: She's caught on close circuit TV. True, it's a short,

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Speaker 1: relatively short clip, and you can see Lois, she is

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Speaker 1: yea Pam Hutchins. Pam Hutchinson, right, you can see the

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Speaker 1: back of her head. She's wearing a red and white cap.

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Speaker 1: They seem to be having a really good time. They're

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Speaker 1: We see them seated at the bar chatting, having a

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Speaker 1: great time. Lois was on the run and she saw

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Speaker 1: we're not exactly sure how finagles her way into Pam's condo.

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Speaker 1: Two days later, after a man staying in the room

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Speaker 1: They opened up Pam's condo and discovered her body is there.

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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall, LA psycho analyst joining US, I found

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Speaker 1: this is just anecdotal, it's not a statistical study, Doctor Bethany,

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Speaker 1: they would put leaves over the body. In this case,

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Speaker 1: she put towels over it. There's also surveillance video guys

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Speaker 1: She is actually sporting her murder victim's hat. So, doctor Bethany,

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Speaker 1: it seems as hasty as I don't know, shoplifting a

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Speaker 1: done right there, right there, Doctor Bethany, I don't think

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Speaker 1: something about covering up their face, Doctor Bethany Marshall. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: her husband found dead shot by apparently a shotgun multiple times. Well,

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Speaker 1: further even than the murder of the husband. Jason Ocean's

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Speaker 1: defense attorney joining me out of the New York area. Jason,

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Speaker 1: We've looked into some court records and they show that

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Speaker 1: Lois Reese was kicked out as guardian for her disabled

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Speaker 1: sister because of her report. Lois had been transferring Lois

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Speaker 1: Reese transferring funds from one account to her own account

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Speaker 1: and then withdrawing the funds where else. Jason a casino

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Speaker 1: so we got a gambling problem and the means to

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Speaker 1: solve it is to steal money, steal, then commit, and

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Speaker 1: then commit murder. Perfect plan. And that was in two

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Speaker 1: Casino in Iowa, not too far from her blooming prairie home.

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Speaker 1: She was never charged with a crime, but she was

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Speaker 1: ordered to pay back over a hundred thousand dollars. She

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Speaker 1: And she has an m in her background. Jason, birds

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Speaker 1: of a feather flot together does not apply to this

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Speaker 1: Different unless you know of another bird flocking with her.

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Speaker 1: I hope you're ashamed. I am. Thank you for correcting it. Okay, good, good,

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Speaker 1: Good to know good. Jason, you're always so right to

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Speaker 1: have to use anything. I have to fight you, Okay,

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Speaker 1: tell me where you think this is headed, Doctor Bethany Marshall.

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Speaker 1: She had left the fancy resort and was scoping out

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Speaker 1: And they're also trying to move some of the evidence,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. The gambling

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Speaker 1: addicted bleached blonde referred to as wrong Way Lois or

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Speaker 1: Losing Streak. Lois now charged with her husband's the murderer

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Speaker 1: one year after allegedly shooting him dead, sparking a nation

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Speaker 1: alleged third victim. And then there's a matter of lookalike

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Speaker 1: doppelganger Pam Hutchison. Wrong Way lowis accused of stealing Hutchison's

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Speaker 1: A grand jury Minnesota indicts the woman who authorities alleged

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Speaker 1: Losing Streak Lois or Wrong Way. Lois Losing Streak comes

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Speaker 1: from her gambling habit, allegedly killing her husband David at

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Speaker 1: their Blooming Prairie worm farm. His body found at home

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Speaker 1: with multiple gunshots. Lois Rice nowhere to be found. She

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Speaker 1: didn't believe I would do it. Yes, apparently it runs

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Speaker 1: have obtained from Olmstead County Jail, what it runs in

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Speaker 1: been identified as Jason Finn's dad and is suffering from

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Speaker 1: You know what, I'm looking at multiple much shots of

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Speaker 1: On a different note, major breaking news Dave Matt what's

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Speaker 1: it all about. Emma Stokes is sixteen years old. She

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Speaker 1: What's happening right now? Well, I mean there's we don't

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Speaker 1: to me. He's told us now. Now, so far, UM,

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Speaker 1: We have people from UM, A lot of people from

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Speaker 1: and boosters everywhere. We've we've talked to a gazillion people. UM,

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Speaker 1: We've went to all the homeless shelters, UM and you know,

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Speaker 1: Jerry joins us. Now, I cannot imagine what you're going through, Jerry,

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Speaker 1: as a dad. What's going on with you right now?

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Speaker 1: What are you thinking? All right now? I feel basically helpless. UM,

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't even know where to go to

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Speaker 1: try to help my daughter. Yeah, you wanna, you want

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Speaker 1: to fix it and save them and beat their protector,

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Speaker 1: which you can't. Well, it's just I know stuff. I know,

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Speaker 1: it's tough, very tough. Tipline is seven one nine, eight,

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Speaker 1: three six four one two one. That's seven one nine, eight,

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Speaker 1: three six four one two one. Nancy Grace Crime Stories

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Speaker 1: signing off Goodbye friend,