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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukleman. This is a production of

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Speaker 1: the Bear Grease podcast called the Bear Grease Render, where

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Speaker 1: we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: of the actual bear Grease podcast presented by f HF Gear,

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Speaker 1: American Maid, purpose built hunting and fishing gear that's designed

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Speaker 1: to be as rugged as the place as we explore.

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Speaker 1: So this is this is the offspring. I'm holding a

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Speaker 1: about a six week old puppy. This is the offspring

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Speaker 1: of a very sought after cross of dogs. This is

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Speaker 1: a ten the famous Singing squirrel Dogs pup and O Sage,

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Speaker 1: which the Registry of squirrel Dogs. I've been in squirrel

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Speaker 1: dogs for a fair number of years. I hadn't had

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Speaker 1: squirrel dogs my whole life, but probably for the last

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Speaker 1: six seven years. And I still don't completely understand the

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Speaker 1: way they register and talk about squirrel dogs because these

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Speaker 1: dogs actually could be registered as tree and curves, but

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Speaker 1: they're also considered feists because a feist is a category

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Speaker 1: of dog. Okay, okay, it's not. It's not a breed.

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Speaker 1: It's handled. It's handled as a breed, like you say,

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Speaker 1: it's a feist. But there's a lot of different kinds

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Speaker 1: of fights. There's mullin phis, there's tree and feist, there's

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Speaker 1: mountain feists, and they all look slightly different. But a

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Speaker 1: feist is, as I understand that, it is a category

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Speaker 1: of dog that's under eighteen inches, under thirty pounds and

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Speaker 1: will tree.

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Speaker 2: Really like that's the only classification.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So technically, as I understand it, and somebody could

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Speaker 2: Have somebody somebody will yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have at some point a real good squirrel

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Speaker 1: dog man that I know that had a lot to

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Speaker 1: do with breeding. These dogs got named Tyler Asberry. At

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Speaker 1: some point we're gonna have Tyler on here and he

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Speaker 1: can describe it. But but as I understand it, if

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Speaker 1: you had a dog that met those qualifications, he could

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Speaker 1: be considered a feist. But these I call him tree

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Speaker 1: and feists.

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Speaker 2: So if that dog were to be registered, it would

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Speaker 2: be a feist.

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Speaker 1: Or it could be registered as a tree and feist,

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Speaker 1: and it could also well, tim and test could have

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Speaker 1: been registered as tree in curves.

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Speaker 2: But they qualify as is one title more prestigious than

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Speaker 2: the other.

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Speaker 3: See going off those rules, thought, I got a neighbor

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Speaker 3: at home he he's got a fist that looks awful

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Speaker 3: lot like a Yorkie.

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Speaker 1: Will it tree. Yeah, that's where that's where I kind

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Speaker 1: of lose like knowledge of it. But welcome to the

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Speaker 1: bear Grease render.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I've got a very cute little pup, little brindle pup

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Speaker 1: here in my hands. I'm excited about today. I've got

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Speaker 1: the one and only Doctor Lake Pickle here from Mississippi,

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Speaker 1: straight out of Mississippi. Arkansas's favorite state, the only state

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Speaker 1: that we have any right to pick on for any

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Speaker 1: statistic you want is Mississippi. Thank you Lake for that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've enjoyed my time here and I'm gonna leave now.

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Speaker 1: Uh No, you know I love Mississippi. And then we

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Speaker 1: have Josh Lambridge, spellmaker here here again learning quite a

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Speaker 1: bit more and more about the land Bridge. I'll share

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Speaker 1: with you something wonderful.

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Speaker 4: Excited.

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Speaker 1: But our guest of honored today is my friend, been

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Speaker 1: a friend for about a decade or so. We decided

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Speaker 1: Tracy Jones from East Tennessee Greenville and uh he's also

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Speaker 4: What do you?

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Speaker 1: What do you prefer? People call you?

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Speaker 4: It's been a weird thing my whole life. Tracy's on

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Speaker 4: the birth certificate that my family just always called me Trace. Trace. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Because you said you You said, Tracy Jones.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I understand. I went to preach a meeting for

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Speaker 1: I didn't see Jones. Man, if you'd told me that

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Speaker 1: ten years ago, you would have never had another name.

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Speaker 4: You'd have a career in country music. Man. So what

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Speaker 4: I did is I just started using my initials TL

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Speaker 2: It's like your stagua.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess. So, Yeah, it's weird.

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Speaker 1: But well, people would know you if they follow along

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Speaker 1: on Bear Grease. They might not well they wouldn't know it,

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Speaker 1: but so we did. Tracy was a part of a

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Speaker 1: series that we did two years ago that started out

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Speaker 1: in Houston Valley plots and so so Tennessee, Tennessee. Jones

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Speaker 1: of people that are longtime plot breeders, bear dog breeders

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Speaker 1: I was introduced to the to the kind of the

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Speaker 1: plot world of Southern Appalachia, which plots aren't just in

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Speaker 1: fish in a very small pond. I'm glad Brent's not

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Speaker 1: small comparatively, and there's these it's it's actually hard to describe,

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Speaker 1: but their families over in Appalachia that can you know,

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Speaker 1: go back generations of having plot dogs and and Tracy's

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Speaker 1: they have a line of dogs called Houston Valley Plots.

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Speaker 1: And Tracy's grandfather father him, and then Tracy's son, Ben Jones,

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Speaker 1: mountain bear hunter as I've ever been around. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: Tracy's good friend.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, glad to be here, Thank you for the invitation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And so we're going to end up talking about

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Speaker 1: a book that Tracy has written, so that that we'll

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Speaker 1: But anyway, I was going to introduce Tracy as as

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Speaker 1: I when I first met Brent Reeves, I honestly in

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Speaker 1: my mind, Brent was just way too available, way too generous,

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Speaker 1: I mean like I've broken the law, but not on purpose.

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Speaker 1: And to this day, I'm pretty sure Brent's still working

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Speaker 4: Well. In my defense, now, first of all, I'm a

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Speaker 4: stickler about trying to keep the law for obvious reasons, yes,

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Speaker 4: but I grew up daring what I would call the

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Speaker 4: And I'm not justifying it or saying it's right or wrong.

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Speaker 4: find people violating the law. Laws. Yeah, so we were

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how you were how you're taught to operate.

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Speaker 4: I thought that was one of the most horrific things

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Speaker 1: You and you the story is told as he married

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Speaker 4: followed through with knelling the guy wow, wow wow. And uh,

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Speaker 1: And do you think this guy was working under cover

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Speaker 4: You know, good luck and court, Yeah exactly. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: You know, Tracy, you talked about that that area. I

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Speaker 2: It's like like, yeah, it's it's it's pretty pretty unique place.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, the the it was so neat doing the

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Speaker 1: forget that. Yeah, if that were in a book, in

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Speaker 2: She would like set his breakfast out at night. I

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Speaker 4: Like.

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Speaker 4: Well, without drawing it out too long, I mean I

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Speaker 1: Let's do it. I was, I.

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Speaker 4: Was was, Yeah, she was. She was a stay at

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Speaker 4: He had great, big what they called co op Gripsburg

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Speaker 4: the news religiously. He was a news fanatic. In fact

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Speaker 4: And she didn't want very much in life. She was

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Drove like a maniac. And you know, my cousin

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Speaker 4: She's the only person I know drove so fast. She

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Speaker 1: You need to put that in here. That's great. This

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Speaker 2: Hite that I was with her.

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Speaker 3: That's a really good point.

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Speaker 1: Oh I'm going to use that from now.

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Speaker 3: Anyone that knows the covey of quill is going to

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Speaker 1: You know what, I appreciate it about that story. That

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Speaker 4: No, if you knew her, you would know that there

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Speaker 4: if he got out of hand, she'd light him up. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: And I mean she'd light him up good and let

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Speaker 4: So she was it was a relationship that I say this.

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Speaker 4: She loved him with all her heart and her care

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, yeah, what a great story.

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Speaker 1: That's yeah, that's cool. Well, go ahead and tell again.

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Speaker 1: This was on an episode two years ago about plot

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Speaker 4: Yeah, my mom, Mama and Papa had two daughters. My

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Speaker 4: And Papa had made life pretty rough on the Moonshiner's

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Speaker 4: It wasn't about revenue. You know, nobody in the mountains

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Speaker 4: And he had wreaked so much havoc with the moonshine people,

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Speaker 4: And then when they tried to blow him up, they

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Speaker 4: he run out into the highway and his long johns. Yeah,

436
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Speaker 4: and I told you that old stove would blow up

437
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Speaker 4: in Killian's hall. Could I ask you a question related

438
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Speaker 4: to that?

439
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Speaker 3: Yeah, because you said this is very specific question, but

440
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Speaker 3: I've never thought about this before. You said, there's nothing

441
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 3: funny about moonshine. Yeah, so I grew up watching the

442
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 3: Andy Griffith Show. Yeah, And in the Andy Griffith Show,

443
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 3: like Andy's always busting steals and there's otis that's always

444
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 3: you know, drunk from drinking moonshine.

445
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Speaker 1: It's always like very it made very light.

446
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Speaker 3: Of Yeah, would someone from I guess from where you're

447
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 3: talking about your relatives or whatever. Would they watched something

448
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 3: like that and like that's not funny at all?

449
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 2: Or was there?

450
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 3: Could they see the humor in it?

451
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 4: No, Appalachian people live such hard scrabble lives. It's incredible

452
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 4: to the sense of humor they have. Okay, No, everybody

453
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 4: loved the Andy Griffith Show. I never heard anybody say

454
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Speaker 4: anything about it. But if you notice the only married

455
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 4: person on that shows otis the town drunk is the

456
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Speaker 4: only one marriage that.

457
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never thought about that either.

458
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Speaker 4: That's true. Yeah, there's a lot of things that were

459
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 4: suddenly taught through the Andy Griffith that were really contrary

460
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Speaker 4: to a good family culture. Huh. Yeah, But I mean,

461
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 4: but it's funny. You know, Barney Fife, You know, my

462
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 4: dad was an extremely serious guy, I mean dead pan serious.

463
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 4: But he thought Tim, Tim Conway and Don Notts were

464
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Speaker 4: the two funniest people ever lived.

465
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

466
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Speaker 4: Yeah, So no, I never heard anybody say anything negative

467
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,719
Speaker 4: about Andy Griffith and the Moonshine deal whatever. They just laughed.

468
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Speaker 4: But if you lived in a home where your husband

469
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Speaker 4: was an extreme alcoholic and he laid drunk all the time,

470
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Speaker 4: and you were already poor, and you were living in

471
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Speaker 4: a rundown house and he was buying liquor instead of

472
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Speaker 4: buying shoes and food. It's totally different context.

473
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Speaker 1: And so I appreciated what Tracy said, which which I

474
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't have articulated the same, though I would have felt

475
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Speaker 1: the same way. Like today, Appalachia kind of celebrates liquor

476
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: and moonshine. I mean you drive through and there's big

477
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: billboards about come to the distillery and see it, and

478
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 1: it's just like this playful thing. And I mean his

479
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 1: point is that, hey, this actually wrecked a lot of

480
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 1: homes and still does to this day. And it's interesting.

481
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 1: Oh shoot, I had something right on tip of my

482
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: tongue that was leading to say, I just appreciate a

483
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: little different perspective on it. Sure you know just about

484
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: how how lightly that we handle alcoholism. I mean, honestly,

485
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 1: and like with popcorn, sutton and stuff like this Appalachian

486
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 1: guy that got real famous who you know, it was

487
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: not a guy that you would want to be around.

488
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: I mean that's like you wouldn't want him to be

489
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Speaker 1: your neighbor. I wouldn't.

490
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Speaker 4: Well, just imagine thirty years from now them doing a

491
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 4: sitcom on myth Yeah right, we would know better, but

492
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 4: people watching it in the next generation wouldn't.

493
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I appreciate. I appreciate that

494
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: perspective a lot. That's interesting. Oh man, there's there's so

495
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: many directions. I didn't even want to get into it

496
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Speaker 1: with Tracy until I introduced why Lake is here today. Oh,

497
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: Blake's here, Lake's here, Lake Pickle, our friend, Lake Pickle.

498
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 4: I'm scared.

499
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 3: I'm scared of I mean, he came out the he

500
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 3: came out the gate with like some really good stories.

501
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 4: Want to follow?

502
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: You got nothing? You got nothing? Now see y'all'll be here.

503
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: Well Lake is uh. Lake has a new podcast produced

504
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: through meat Eater that is going to be on the

505
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: Bear Grease feed.

506
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 4: We got here.

507
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: Heck yeah, we made it. So maybe you've heard this

508
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: by now, because Lake has been on the meat Eater

509
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: podcast by the time this comes out. But June the

510
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: what day, ninth? June the ninth, twenty twenty five. If

511
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: you're listening to this in twenty thirty, you're five years behind.

512
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 2: Better listen to all the back episodes.

513
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: But if you're listening to this before June ninth, twenty

514
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: twenty five, you could hear the inaugural episode of The

515
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: Backwoods University on the bear Grease Feed. So the bear

516
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: Grease Feed continue to get more complex, folks, and we

517
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: have a lot of trust in you guys.

518
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 2: You need like a ven diagram so they can know

519
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 2: how to There's the bear.

520
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: Grease Podcast, which is our documentary style podcast. We have

521
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: the bear Grease Render, which is this where we sit

522
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: around and talk about the bear Grease podcast.

523
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 4: Yep.

524
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: We have Brent Reeves This Country Life, which is a

525
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: monologue kind of comedy, storytelling and podcast that we all love. Well,

526
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: there's a new one, the Backwoods University, bringing a little class.

527
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Speaker 1: Tell us, tell us what the Backwoods University is like.

528
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 3: Man, it is it's like a deeper understanding or seeking

529
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 3: out a deeper understanding of wildlife.

530
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Speaker 1: But also when it started out.

531
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Speaker 3: It was just like a deeper understanding of wildlife and

532
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 3: wild wildlife biology. The further that I got into it

533
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 3: and you and I talked about this with you know,

534
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 3: when we were first starting to put episodes together, it's

535
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Speaker 3: like I can't talk about a single species, a single wildlifecess,

536
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 3: a single piece of habitat. I can't talk about any

537
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 3: of it without mentioning the influence that we as humans

538
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 3: have on it. Positive or negative, could go either way,

539
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 3: and so that's that's the kind of look at it

540
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 3: so far.

541
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Speaker 1: It's very very wildlife biology based.

542
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 3: I try to find perspectives where you get You'll get

543
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 3: to hear from biologists, but you also get to hear

544
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 3: from hunters, anglers, you know, people that are out there

545
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 3: doing doing what we like to do. So you can

546
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 3: kind of get an introspective look from both views, but

547
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 3: then also the influence that we as humans have on it,

548
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 3: because whether we like it or not, we have an

549
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 3: influence on all of it, and more often than not,

550
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 3: it's the most powerful influence.

551
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's it's a wildlife biology podcast and it's

552
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: it's done really well. It's it's a documentary style podcast,

553
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: so it's it's built in a way like the structure

554
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: of a bear grease proper podcast. And so essentially what

555
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: that does is that Blake is going to biologists, the

556
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: people who's interviewing whatever expertise they have, and he's having

557
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: in depth conversations with him and rather than being there

558
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: for the whole two hour conversations, he's he's telling a

559
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Speaker 1: story and usually in less than thirty minutes. Typically, yeah,

560
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: typically less than thirty minutes, you'll you'll have podcast. Yeah,

561
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a it's an efficient listen. But

562
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Speaker 1: where you're gonna get all the information and what are

563
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: some of the topics? Run us through the topics even

564
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: stuff maybe you hadn't even done yet but you may

565
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Speaker 1: be thinking about.

566
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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, so we're we're doing bison, but bison in

567
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Speaker 3: the Eastern United States.

568
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's episode one that you can listen to. Uh,

569
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Speaker 1: there's Jason in the East. It's really interesting.

570
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Speaker 3: When we're going to Bob white Quill. Uh history of

571
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Speaker 3: Bob white Quill. The first part of it is learning

572
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Speaker 3: why we lost our Bob white Quill, in which there's

573
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Speaker 3: a lot of reasons, one of which my I have

574
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 3: been running down cubes with a.

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Speaker 1: Car, yeah, ma'ama.

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Speaker 3: And then the other one that I'm really excited about,

577
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Speaker 3: which you've heard me talk about it a lot. Because again,

578
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Speaker 3: we talk about the animal and then we talk about

579
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 3: human influence. We also focus on people that you know

580
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Speaker 3: have dedicated their lives to learning these animals conserving them.

581
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Speaker 3: And so we're doing a look at The first wildlife

582
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Speaker 3: biologists in the state of Mississippi was a woman named

583
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Speaker 3: Fanny Cook. And without giving too much away because it's

584
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Speaker 3: an incredible story, she pretty much single handedly saved the

585
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Speaker 3: natural resources of Mississippi.

586
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Speaker 4: Wow.

587
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Speaker 3: Wow in the early nineteen twenties. At the time, Mississippi

588
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Speaker 3: was the only state left that did not have any

589
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Speaker 3: wildlife laws or infrastructure.

590
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Speaker 1: Wow.

591
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 3: So if you can go and look, and this is

592
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Speaker 3: like the fame talk about is out of Loophold actually

593
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Speaker 3: traveled down to Mississippi wow and did a report on

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Speaker 3: the state. And you can read his report from nineteen

595
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 3: twenty nine and he's basically like, this is dismal. So

596
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 3: to put it in to put it in context, like

597
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Speaker 3: now in twenty twenty five, our white tailed deer population Mississippi,

598
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Speaker 3: our our wildlife department is imploring begging hunters to shoot

599
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Speaker 3: more deer.

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Speaker 1: They're like, please kill more.

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Speaker 3: We have an estimated I think it's a little bit

602
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Speaker 3: over one point five million white tailed deer population Mississippi.

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Speaker 3: When Loopol did his report in nineteen twenty nine, there

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Speaker 3: was an estimated twelve hundred deer in the state.

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Speaker 4: Are you kidding me? Twelve hundred? Uh?

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Speaker 3: He said the wild turkeys have been wiped out in

607
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Speaker 3: all their upland ranges, basically saying the only wild turkeys

608
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Speaker 3: we had left were in the swampy regions and the

609
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Speaker 3: only reason we had turkeys there is because that's where

610
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Speaker 3: humans could not get to as effectively and kill.

611
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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 1: So it was it was bad.

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Speaker 2: That's amazing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So the Fanny Cookies, really, I'll tell you what I

616
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Speaker 1: want to know. In the Fanny cook episode, I have

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Speaker 1: a feeling drove fast.

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Speaker 3: She did. I don't even know that she did. There's stories,

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Speaker 3: So there is a story I got. So there's there's

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Speaker 3: ladies that have these.

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Speaker 1: Uh. The two ladies that I interviewed about it.

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Speaker 3: Uh, there was an interview with Fanny's sister, and she's

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Speaker 3: telling this story that like Fanny had. It was she

624
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 3: was a notorious like fast driver.

625
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: Like I knew it. I plucked that out of the air.

626
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Speaker 3: And the story was that Fanny was driving and it

627
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Speaker 3: was her sister and two of the friends in the

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Speaker 3: car and she's driving. The statement she says, she said

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Speaker 3: she would put you over and in the gravel in

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Speaker 3: a minute, and they're driving to the store. It to

631
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Speaker 3: like a fabric store, and all of a sudden, Fanny

632
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 3: just pulls off on the side of the road and goes,

633
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Speaker 3: I gotta have that bird, because she was she was

634
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Speaker 3: making she basically like Fanny laid down the groundwork for

635
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 3: the first you know, you could go on Google right

636
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 3: now and go what kind of birds are in Arkansas

637
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 3: and you hit search and you'll and he'll tell you

638
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 3: what species of bird you have. Where's that come from?

639
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 3: You know, like, where's the baseline of all that? And

640
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 3: so Fanny was working on at the time what would

641
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 3: be the first basically catalog of what species of animals

642
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 3: were in the state of Mississippi. And she pulls over

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Speaker 3: the side of the road, shoots this bird because that's

644
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Speaker 3: how she was collecting specimens. Shoots this bird, goes, swims

645
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 3: out into the pond, gets the bird, swims back, and

646
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 3: then all the girls are mad at her because now

647
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 3: they can't go to the store. She has to turn

648
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 3: around and tend to the bird and get dried off.

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00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 3: And her sister said, I was so mad at her,

650
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Speaker 3: I didn't talk to her for two days.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

652
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 1: Well, good story.

653
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder if she ever hit a covey of quail.

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Speaker 1: Probably probably, But well.

655
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Speaker 2: That sounds awesome.

656
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 4: Man.

657
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to it.

658
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 3: Man, I'm really excited about it. I yeah, I tell

659
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 3: I was talking to my wife Lacy about it. I

660
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 3: was like, doing this podcast and having the opportunity to

661
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 3: do it. It's a curveball I did not see coming.

662
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: But here we are.

663
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 2: And that'll come out every week, bi weekly, bye weekly.

664
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 1: Every other week okay, yeah, come out on Mondays. Okay,

665
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: on the Bear Grease Feed.

666
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:04,240
Speaker 4: Awesome.

667
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I am absolutely pumped.

668
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, well, congratulations, thank you.

669
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

670
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 3: I'll tell you one more like important factoy that I

671
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 3: couldn't fit into either podcast because it just kind of

672
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 3: worked out this way. So you said before, when did

673
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 3: Gerstalker kill the bison in.

674
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 1: Arkansas in the eighteen forties?

675
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 3: Okay, and then this like mid eighteen hundreds is when

676
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 3: they were like bison were pretty much pushed out of

677
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 3: the east, right. So, one of the things I learned

678
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 3: in the Bison episode, and we all know this is

679
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 3: like bison have these very like noticeable impacts on the landscape, right. So,

680
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 3: and part of the things they studied is like they

681
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 3: were basically maintaining some like systems of vegetation, and when

682
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 3: they got pushed out, there was some vegetation that they

683
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 3: were like basically keeping at bay that were allowed to

684
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 3: like just kind of explode because they weren't being raised anymore.

685
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 3: And so when I was talking to the quail, they

686
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 3: were like in the early like deep times back in

687
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 3: that we're not deep times, but like eighteen hundreds, like

688
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 3: quail would have thrived in some of those environments because

689
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 3: of bison grazing. Say so, bison pushed out in the

690
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 3: mid eighteen eighteen hundreds the first what do you know

691
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 3: when the first noted declines of bob whit quail were,

692
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,879
Speaker 3: let me guess eighteen ninety.

693
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: Interesting, so it was connected. It was this ecological web

694
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: yep and bison were probably tramping tramping stuff down, keeping

695
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: successionary forests and woodlands from growing up they were Is

696
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: that what you're saying?

697
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 3: So much so that I was talking to Jeremy French

698
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 3: from the Southeastern Graslands Institute, he said that he has

699
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 3: even like pitched the idea to some quail biologists that

700
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 3: have contacted them. They contact them about like botanical questions, right,

701
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 3: But they're talking about like building a habitat for quail

702
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 3: and you know, trying to restore quail in a certain area.

703
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 3: And he said so much so that Jeremy has been

704
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 3: like if you thought about reintroducing bison, wow as a

705
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 3: way to that.

706
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 2: Makes hashtag bring back the bison, Bring back the bison, Bring.

707
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 1: Back to quail. You know, I can I can envision.

708
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: I can envision the scenario where you had a huge

709
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: property and I mean, obviously you'd have to have a fence,

710
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: which has its own problems, but like if you had

711
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: a big five thousand acre property that you're trying to

712
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: to to make habitat for quail, turn loose a herd

713
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: of twenty thirty bison, isn't that crazy? I mean I

714
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: would imagine Byson trails would be, you know, create like

715
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: edge habitat, like bisecting big fields where you know quail

716
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: could travel real quick but then duck in the cover

717
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: and then you know, disperselessly. That's pretty fascinating.

718
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 3: It's crazy, like and I really didn't expect that, Like

719
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 3: I picked quail because I had an interest in bison,

720
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 3: because I had an interest, but figuring out that there

721
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 3: was some sort of link there between them being pushed

722
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 3: out potentially was like the reason that first note noted

723
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 3: declines of quills in eighteen ninety.

724
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,720
Speaker 1: I was like, this is wild. So on this stuff

725
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: you're gonna learn. You're gonna learn some stuff, you know.

726
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: And and it's the cool thing about the format is

727
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: that it's it's it's it's efficient. It's an efficient listen.

728
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: And I mean you could have a podcast where you

729
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: just did like long form interviews with biologists, you know,

730
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: for two hours, and a lot of people do that.

731
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: This is that with all the information just handed to

732
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: you in a nice, wonderful little bundle of communication that's entertaining.

733
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: Lake does a good job. And you might not know

734
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: this offhand, but when I say it, you're going to

735
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 1: be like, you know what, Clay, You're right is that

736
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 1: Lake's way ahead in the podcast game because his name

737
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: is Lake Pickle. The things you were kind of behind

738
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: a little bit and the Appalachian pastoral game by your

739
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: name being Tracy. Yeah, yeah, he was ahead ahead.

740
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, nobody's going to forget Lake Pickle.

741
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 3: I've always said, man, like my my career in the

742
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 3: industry basically kicked off at Primos. Yeah, and part of

743
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,240
Speaker 3: the reason I got that job is I'd been emailing

744
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 3: Brad Ferris for like a year and a half, and

745
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 3: when I met Brad Ferris finally in person, I said,

746
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 3: I'm Lake Pickle and he was like, you're that kid

747
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 3: that's been emailing me, because like everything about me could

748
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 3: be forgettable, but I have such an odd name that people.

749
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: Are like, oh, isn't that the truth?

750
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 4: Like name recognition in media is like the old location

751
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 4: is everything with store Flunt's right. Yeah. Yeah.

752
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: Well, when I I hunted with Lake this year killed

753
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: the turkey, I messaged a friend of mine that I'd

754
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,959
Speaker 1: killed the turkey. I said, I killed a turkey with

755
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: with Lake Pickle, and he said, where's that.

756
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 3: People Typically they either know who I am or they

757
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 3: hear it and they think it's a good spot to

758
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 3: catch a walleye. Yeah oh yeah, Lake Pickle.

759
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: I hear the bike's hot right now? Yeah yeah yeah.

760
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: So anyway, well that's gonna be uh, that's gonna be exciting.

761
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: One other good.

762
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 3: One other thing I got to point out because Steve

763
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 3: Varnella asked me about it. He's like, because with the

764
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 3: first two topics being bison in the Eastern United States,

765
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 3: and then Quail, It's like, are you keeping it eastern

766
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 3: or southeastern base?

767
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: It's like absolutely not.

768
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 3: Like I mean, that's because while I was up at

769
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 3: the media or office last week, I was interviewing some

770
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 3: guys about grizzly bears.

771
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: So, yeah, so what is the region North America, United States?

772
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 2: Or I mean, are we going to talk about hyenas?

773
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: We're worldwide, baby, all right, anywhere we want to go.

774
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 4: I like it.

775
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 3: Pandas Yeah, oh yeah, I don't know if I'll do

776
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 3: pandas Maybe, I don't know.

777
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 4: Yeah.

778
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: The only the only thing that I told Lake today

779
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: over breakfast is I said I leaked some information to

780
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: him that I've learned about the Arctic. And I was like, hey,

781
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: you just stay away from the Arctic for a little

782
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: bit until I until I get my bear grease on

783
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: the Arctic. Yeah, I'm working on a working on something.

784
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 2: A little foreshadowing there a little bit.

785
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: Man, Godlee, the Arctic. You had no, you have no idea, Josh.

786
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 3: It was the podcaster version of taking a guy to

787
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,919
Speaker 3: a spot on public and going, don't let me catch

788
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 3: you back here exactly.

789
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, Arctic got it?

790
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 4: Got it?

791
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 1: I mean for now, I mean, just give me a

792
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: little bit of time. I mean, that'd be a time

793
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 1: when you know we'll we'll turn you loose on the Arctic.

794
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: But just give me a little bit of time.

795
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,959
Speaker 4: That's fair. No, Blake.

796
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 1: Blake and I when we're together, we're kind of nerdy,

797
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:47,720
Speaker 1: like he has a turn that I have a turn,

798
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: and we talk about like this nerdy stuff. Uh tell

799
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 1: him what? Tell him what your wife said?

800
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 3: The other day, I was la, well, it was I

801
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 3: was lad to talk about this because Steve was making

802
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 3: fun of Clay and I. And then I said, this

803
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 3: was like I think it was this week. I was

804
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 3: just talking because when I get on like a particular subject,

805
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 3: I'm excited about it.

806
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 4: Yeah.

807
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 3: So like we had just gotten the final, like the

808
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 3: first like cut of this Bison episode back and so

809
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 3: I was like back on Bison again. I was super

810
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,399
Speaker 3: excited to talk about Bison, and I'd probably been talking

811
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 3: about it for way too long, and I mean like

812
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 3: days on end. And my wife Lacy's like, like, I'm

813
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 3: so happy for you that you have found this and

814
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,439
Speaker 3: I love that you're excited about Bison. Can we please

815
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 3: talk about something else?

816
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 1: I was like, that's fair, Like.

817
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 4: It's true. That's true.

818
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, the uh, the topic at hand, and the

819
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: reason TL's here is as he wrote a book. When'd

820
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: you publish this book?

821
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 4: Tale? Last year, last year, last last spring. It's about

822
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 4: a year old.

823
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: Year old a book called The Old Men Conversations that

824
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 1: Help Boys Become Men? And uh, so the book is

825
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,720
Speaker 1: is it eighty seven eighty four? It's it's eighty four

826
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 1: short stories.

827
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, collection of short story.

828
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:16,399
Speaker 1: Collection of short stories that are they're short. I mean

829
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: some of them are like a page long. Some of

830
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,439
Speaker 1: them are maybe two or three pages, but you can

831
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 1: you can read it like really short little chunks. And

832
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: it's I'll let you talk about it. But but but

833
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: it's eighty four things that t. L Has learned from

834
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,240
Speaker 1: men in his life. And it's it's it's a variety

835
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 1: of topics, yep, from bear hunting stuff to buying trucks

836
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: to spiritual stuff. It's it's a it's a unique assortment

837
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: of just wisdom. And uh, it's it's really it's it's

838
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: really good. Well, it's funny. I don't know what most

839
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 1: people's processes for writing a book. I know what mine

840
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 1: is because I've been in the process of writing a book,

841
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: and uh, I think yours was like a more of

842
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: like a hemming Way style approach. You were like, I'm

843
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: going into the cave to write a book. I'll be

844
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: back in a couple of months. And how long did

845
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: it take you to write this?

846
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:26,240
Speaker 4: About six weeks?

847
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: And I mean you just worked on it, holy smoke,

848
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 1: just like every day. Yeah, pretty much then and then

849
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: you were just like done. One day, you were just

850
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: like done, and you were like, all right, gonna publish it.

851
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 4: Yeah. I'd had a lot of friends, especially pastors, who

852
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 4: had asked me to put some of the things that

853
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 4: we had discussed into writing that I was reluctant to

854
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,479
Speaker 4: do that because there's just so many books out there,

855
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 4: and I think a good philosophy is life is to

856
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 4: do things that add value to other people's lives. And

857
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 4: but one particular pastor friend of mine called me, like

858
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 4: in December, Tom Hatley, and he said, I really want

859
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 4: this year for you to set aside some time to

860
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 4: write put some of the stuff you know we talk

861
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 4: about in private and writing. And I said, well, Tom Watt,

862
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 4: write about what And he said, well, I was talking

863
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 4: to my assistant Kevin, and he said, if you would

864
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 4: write something on manhood, we would read it. But only

865
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 4: Moron would write a book and say, you know this

866
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 4: is manhood. You know, do it right. Yeah. So I thought, well,

867
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 4: if we're going to do that, how how would you

868
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 4: do that? And I thought, you know, I've had so

869
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 4: many really good, high quality of men in my life.

870
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 4: I had said, have said things. And if I have

871
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 4: a conversation with you, I will often you will say

872
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 4: one thing that I won't forget. Or if I watch

873
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 4: a TV show, I will hear somebody say something that

874
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 4: I won't forget. Like I was listening to a guy

875
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 4: from Horny to the other Day Talk and he said,

876
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 4: a bullet never goes anywhere by accident. Well, I was

877
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 4: done with that podcast at that point because I can

878
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 4: only think about that particular statement. And I sat down

879
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 4: and I took out a legal path and I wrote

880
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 4: down about one hundred and fifty things that old men

881
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 4: had told me that had really mattered to me. I

882
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 4: don't mean just trite things, things that had on a

883
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 4: daily basis, This may come to my mind to help me.

884
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 4: Like my dad would always say, if you're going to

885
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 4: do something right, do it right the first time. And

886
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 4: he lived that he was a perfectionist, and I can

887
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 4: be getting ready to do something sort of slipshod, and

888
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 4: my dad's words will come back to me, don't you know?

889
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 4: Do it right? So I wrote those like one hundred

890
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 4: and fifty things down, and I narrowed it down to

891
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 4: eighty four because my grandfather was probably the primary influence

892
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 4: of my life and he died at eighty four or

893
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 4: there you go. Yeah, So I cut it off at

894
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 4: eighty four because that was symbolic to me that the

895
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 4: primary influence I had in my life was cut off

896
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 4: at eighty four. So I kept the book off at

897
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 4: eighty four.

898
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: M you know what you you are. I think it's

899
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 1: it's a I don't know if it's if you'd call

900
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: it a gift or just a way that someone organizes

901
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:30,760
Speaker 1: the world. But you you remembering stuff that people say

902
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: in compact ideas is unique and a a powerful thing.

903
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,919
Speaker 1: Like because when you say that process, like, I don't

904
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 1: know that I could write down one hundred and fifty

905
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: very poignant sentences of things that people have taught me

906
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: that are like your book. I mean, so, I mean, like,

907
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: that's that's a powerful thing. I describe Brent Reeves in

908
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 1: the same way. It's different. His is different. But Brent

909
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: has an uncanny ability to be somewhere and capture a

910
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: story and a little ball and put it in his

911
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 1: pocket and never forget it, like he could. He he

912
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 1: just can do that. Uh. But but what you've done

913
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: here is is really cool.

914
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 4: What would.

915
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 1: Take us through a couple of the stories. Yeah, just

916
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 1: like if you could, if you could even just tell us, like, well,

917
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: there's a chapter about this, and this was the story.

918
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 4: Well, when I wrote the book, it was to try

919
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 4: to fill in the gap of what we were doing

920
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 4: with our young men today. You know, a lot of

921
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 4: feminization of young men not actually developing into what a

922
00:50:56,360 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 4: man ought to be in the historical sense of manhood.

923
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 4: And so I sort of wrote the book that if

924
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,240
Speaker 4: there was a boy out there who was being raised

925
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 4: without a dad or good influence, that he could pick

926
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 4: the book up and read in a few hours the

927
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 4: things that dads and grandpas give to their sons and

928
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 4: grandsons over a lifetime, but in a way that could

929
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 4: be read. The whole book can be read in a

930
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 4: couple hours by anybody. Yeah, And I wanted to be

931
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 4: written so that it wasn't for I didn't want to

932
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 4: write it for preachers and that kind of thing. I

933
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 4: just wanted to write it for the average guy, you

934
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 4: know out there. Even a lot of people who don't

935
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 4: even like to read, you know, have said I read it.

936
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 4: I picked it up and couldn't put it down. I

937
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 4: read old thing. Yeah, And I've had a lot of

938
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 4: young men call me. But the story I think that

939
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 4: probably epitomizes the book is the one I start out with.

940
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 4: My grandfather was Barry Tarlton. His dad's name was Hunter Tarlton, Spencer,

941
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 4: Hunter Enter And there's an old schoolhouse beside the church

942
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 4: where my grandfather was a deacon that's defunct and it's

943
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 4: just sitting there today, deteriorating. We were out riding around

944
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 4: one day and my grandfather said, he said, when I

945
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 4: was going to school there, he said, I was a

946
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 4: little boy, and he said, it began to snow, and

947
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 4: he said it was going to be, you know, a

948
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 4: good snow, And they decided to send the kids home

949
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 4: from school, and his dad walked to the school to

950
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 4: get him and put him on his shoulders and carried

951
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 4: him home. So he didn't want him to have to

952
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 4: walk into snow all the way back to their house.

953
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 4: And when he told me that, I thought, that is

954
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:45,760
Speaker 4: really what That's what fatherhood and the sonhood is about.

955
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 4: It's you putting the boys on your shoulders and carrying

956
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,879
Speaker 4: them until they can walk themselves. Then they carry their

957
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 4: sons till they can walk on their own. And your

958
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 4: goal is a dad, is not to have to carry

959
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 4: your son's whole life. You just carry him when he

960
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 4: has when he needs it, but your goals for him

961
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 4: to be able to walk on his own, and then

962
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,760
Speaker 4: for him to be able to carry his son until

963
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 4: he can walk on his own. So the successive stories

964
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 4: after that are things in my life for my dad

965
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 4: or grandfather or some other guy sort of put me

966
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 4: on their shoulders and carried me with some bit of

967
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 4: wisdom through life. When I was a teenager, I want

968
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 4: my own vehicle. My dad told me, he said, well,

969
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 4: your mom is going to buy a new car, and

970
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 4: she's got her old car. We'll give it to you.

971
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 4: It was a seventy four Pontiac LeMans. But I didn't

972
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 4: want it because it wasn't cool, you know. I wanted

973
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 4: something besides my mom's old car. So I decided I'd

974
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 4: go find something better than that, and I found the

975
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 4: eighty one Nissan four whel drive pickup truck is all

976
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 4: jacked up, had big tires on it, and I thought, man, now,

977
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 4: look that'll be great. Dad went with me to look

978
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 4: at it, and he looked it over and he said,

979
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 4: some kids had this. He's jacked it up, he's put

980
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 4: all this stuff on it. He said, it's a piece

981
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 4: of junk. Don't bite. And so I bought it, and

982
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 4: I had like fifteen hundred bucks in the bank. I've

983
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 4: paid that down on it, drained myself dry, and then

984
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 4: had payments to make and the truck actually turned out

985
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 4: to be a piece of junk, left me stranded all

986
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 4: the time, had to have rides, caught on fire. I mean,

987
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 4: it was a complete, absolute train wreck of a deal.

988
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:46,760
Speaker 4: And that, to me, that's another just illustration of how

989
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 4: when you're young in life, you I mean, you started

990
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 4: out like the one old boy said, I was born ignorant.

991
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 4: I've been losing ground ever since. And we're born ignorant

992
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 4: no matter who you are. And you have to acquire wisdom,

993
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 4: and that should be the chief aim of life, is

994
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 4: to acquire wisdom. Accord the proverbs, and my dad and

995
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 4: grandfather and other men invested so much in my life

996
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 4: that Dad said to me one day, and Dad wasn't

997
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 4: want to set you down teach you. He didn't do that.

998
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 4: He just said things off the cuff that would stick

999
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 4: with me. He said, do you know if just one

1000
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:30,479
Speaker 4: generation would learn from the previous generation, it would change

1001
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 4: the world? Yep. And when he said that, I held

1002
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 4: on to it. And then when I was about twenty four,

1003
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 4: I'd got my life turned around. I'd become a Christian.

1004
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 4: I was actually trying to live right. Previously I wasn't.

1005
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 4: And I said, you know what, for the rest of

1006
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 4: my life, I'm going to try to learn from the

1007
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:57,240
Speaker 4: mistakes and successes of other people and limit the mistakes

1008
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 4: that I personally make. I'm gonna pay attention. So Dad

1009
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 4: had said that years ago, but it didn't catch on

1010
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 4: for probably ten or fifteen years after he had told me.

1011
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:11,839
Speaker 4: And that's sort of what the book's about. It's like,

1012
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 4: you know, everybody says experience is the best teacher, but

1013
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 4: it's also the cruelest.

1014
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: M Yep, that's really good. I want to I want

1015
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: you to keep telling me a couple more of these

1016
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 1: little stories, like if what's another one? That just comes

1017
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:42,720
Speaker 1: to mind. Well, yeah, feel free to look through it.

1018
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: It's funny that you brought up the truck one because

1019
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: I was gonna that was one that I remembered.

1020
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll tell you one that has helped me in

1021
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 4: my you know, I'm in the ministry and I was

1022
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 4: going to move out to west somewhere and plant a

1023
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,399
Speaker 4: church from scratch. And in the process of doing that,

1024
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 4: an old preacher called me named John Halsey. And John

1025
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 4: Halsey said, I want to talk to you for a

1026
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,240
Speaker 4: little while about an opportunity that's going on in Alaska

1027
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 4: and ask you to pray about it. There was a

1028
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 4: pastor in Alaska, I think he was in Juno that

1029
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 4: had a heart to reach the Aleutian Islands. Of course,

1030
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 4: you know, they're strung out for miles in small pockets populations,

1031
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 4: never a pocket really big enough to have its own church.

1032
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 4: But he was going to take a boat and go

1033
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 4: from island to island to island on different days and

1034
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 4: share the gospel with people. And they actually raised money

1035
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 4: to buy the boat. And then the guy was out

1036
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 4: jogging and had a heart attack and died. The pastor

1037
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 4: and Halsey said, I want you to move to Alaska.

1038
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 4: He said, you pastor this church up here, and he

1039
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 4: said they were going to have to send me to

1040
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 4: nautical school become a boat captain. There's a large boat.

1041
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 4: And he said, then you'll pass the church and then

1042
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 4: you will maintain a ministry on the Aleutian Islands. And

1043
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 4: in the process of that conversation, he said, there was

1044
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 4: pastors when we were trying to raise money to buy

1045
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 4: the boat that were didn't have the vision for it.

1046
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 4: And he said they would say to me, well, the

1047
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 4: pockets of people on those islands are not large enough

1048
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 4: to have a church. Why do it that way? And

1049
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 4: Halsey said, I would tell them we can do something

1050
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 4: or we can do nothing. And everything in life's not idealistic.

1051
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 4: You can have idealistic goals, but then there's life and

1052
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 4: you have to constantly modify the way you're functioning in life.

1053
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 4: You know, be willing to be adaptable. And when Halsey

1054
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 4: said that, I never forgot it. You know, there's lots

1055
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 4: of things that you want to accomplish that are not

1056
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 4: just perfect. But you can do something or you can

1057
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 4: do nothing. And that was important to me. Mm hmm, yep,

1058
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 4: you can do something. Or you can do nothing. It

1059
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 4: is true, that's true.

1060
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: How about this one? Three dollars? This chapter titled three dollars?

1061
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 4: What's it say on it? Oh? Yeah, Papa and I

1062
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 4: we had it ongoing back and forth. He grew up

1063
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 4: out of the depression, born in nineteen twenty eight. And

1064
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 4: they were poor. I mean they were so poor. They

1065
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 4: would catch a possum and put it in a cage

1066
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 4: and fatten it up to its big enough for a meal.

1067
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 4: And the first time he went to town, he was

1068
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 4: thirteen years old. He thought town was just a larger

1069
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 4: country store. He thought when they got to town, they

1070
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 4: took a wagon, when they got there, just be a

1071
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 4: bigger store. He couldn't believe all the buildings. It's unfathomable,

1072
00:59:56,760 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 4: all those buildings. To him, he was a penny pincher

1073
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 4: because he was so poor. He didn't want to be

1074
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 4: poor anymore. So anything he spent money on, I mean

1075
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 4: he he waited so he didn't waste. And uh, we

1076
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 4: were at the farm and we were pulling old planks

1077
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 4: off of a building and he'd pull You know how

1078
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 4: a plank on a barn will rot at the bottom

1079
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 4: where water splashes on it. He pulled those planks off

1080
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 4: and saw the rotten bottom off and save them. And

1081
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 4: then he'd drive the nails out of them and straightened

1082
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 4: them and kept them to use again. I hated using

1083
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 4: those nails because they to get one to go straight.

1084
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 4: It's very difficult to straighten the nail and then drive

1085
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 4: it straight again. It wants to bend all the time.

1086
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 4: So in my mind, let's just go to town and

1087
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 4: get nails. And we were going back and forth and

1088
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 4: was never I was never a smart euct to my

1089
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 4: dad or father, because they wouldn't have tolerated. You know.

1090
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 4: Back talk was that that was unacceptable. Our outfit appreciated

1091
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 4: that was not you don't do that. Yeah, you can

1092
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 4: have a different opinion, but you expressed it appropriately, right.

1093
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 4: But I would go back and forth with my grandfather

1094
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 4: about stuff and express my frustrations with him. And I

1095
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 4: told him, I said, if you counted up the time

1096
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 4: that we were spending doing all this, you wouldn't make

1097
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 4: three dollars an hour. Well, I thought it was sound logic.

1098
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 4: I had him.

1099
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, you thought that was pretty sick.

1100
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had him. He just he was driving. He

1101
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 4: never even phased him. He said, that's three dollars I

1102
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 4: wouldn't have made today. Yeah, he turned it into three

1103
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 4: dollars he was making.

1104
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's justned yeah yeah, just so so

1105
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 1: the structure of the book, which is so simple. You know,

1106
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 1: the title of the chapter is three dollars and it

1107
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 1: has the quote from your grandfather. It says, that's three

1108
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 1: dollars I wasn't gonna make and you tell that story

1109
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 1: and just a honestly less than a page.

1110
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great book. I read it and passed

1111
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 2: it on. I appreciate that it's greatly got some got

1112
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 2: some great words of wisdom in it, and I really

1113
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 2: enjoy it. Is an easy read, but it's it's uh,

1114
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 2: it's got some profundity to it.

1115
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 1: You know.

1116
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 2: You just read that story and there's there's lots of

1117
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 2: great great one life.

1118
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 1: Is this okay? If I just kind of like pointed

1119
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:32,919
Speaker 1: a chapter and have you tell me story, that's fun.

1120
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 4: Okay.

1121
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: How about this one called Laziness and the and the

1122
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 1: title is did you ride that three wheeler to the mailbox?

1123
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 4: That's one of my least favorite stories. Oh really, yeah,

1124
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 4: I was. I was terribly mistreated in that story. I

1125
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 4: actually don't remember it so well it I remember that

1126
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 4: one dad, Dad had had bought a three wheeler. It

1127
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 4: was a nineteen eighty five Honda Big Grid. Any story

1128
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 4: that starts with that I had had. It was the

1129
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 4: first year they had reverse on them. Oh so this

1130
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 4: was I mean, this is big, big time, big time. No,

1131
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 4: this was what was the two fifties. I think the

1132
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 4: Big Ridge were. Yeah, I think the Big Gridge for

1133
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 4: two fifties. Yeah. Well, I was fifteen years old, fourteen

1134
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 4: or fifteen, depend on how my birthday was, and it'd

1135
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 4: come a big snow where our mailbox was only fifty

1136
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 4: yards from the front porch, and Dad told me, he said,

1137
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 4: go down the mailbox and get the mail. So I

1138
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 4: walked outside and that brand new three wheeler sitting there,

1139
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 4: and I thought, man, this snow. So I jumped on it,

1140
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 4: started having some good time, you know, fun, went down,

1141
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 4: got the mail and come back up and I came in.

1142
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 4: My dad was like, did you drive that three wheeler

1143
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 4: down the mailbox? I said, yes, sir man. He was mad,

1144
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 4: I mean tick mad. He said, that's lazy. Said I

1145
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 4: can't you know, I can't believe you're that stinking lazy

1146
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 4: that you can't go down to the mailbox and back

1147
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 4: because you know, laziness with a lot of them old

1148
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 4: mountain men, that's you know, yeah, that's there. Yeah, you

1149
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 4: call the man. You can do a lot of things,

1150
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 4: but if you're lazy. And but I didn't do it

1151
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 4: because I was being lazy. I did it because I

1152
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 4: was fifteen and there was snow on the ground. There

1153
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 4: was a free will and yeah, yeah, yeah, but it

1154
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 4: didn't matter because in a dad's mind, you know, here,

1155
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:35,439
Speaker 4: you're as a father. If you're not careful the things

1156
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 4: your kids do right now, you project for the rest

1157
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 4: of their life.

1158
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:40,479
Speaker 2: It's true, that's very true.

1159
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 4: And if you're not real careful, you will overcorrect for

1160
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 4: something that's just a now thing that you think it's

1161
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 4: going to get out of hand. See. To me, I

1162
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 4: just go on the mailbox. But to him, I was,

1163
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 4: you know, forty five years old and a whino out

1164
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 4: on the street who never held a job.

1165
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he was. He was projecting, Yes, this is going.

1166
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 4: To be a p Yeah, this is going to be

1167
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 4: a problem. So he told me, he said, well, I

1168
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 4: tell you what, you're grounded. And I don't remember. It's

1169
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 4: weak or two. I can't remember. I mean, but I

1170
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 4: got hammered over it, and I think it's the only

1171
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 4: time I was ever grounded.

1172
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 1: Really Yeah, yeap, what did what did that produce him?

1173
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 3: Like?

1174
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 1: Did it make you mad?

1175
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 4: Bitterness? Probably? I mean I was not guilt. I was

1176
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 4: not guilty, Yeah, because.

1177
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 3: You were just like, man, I just want to ride

1178
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 3: the three wheeler in the snow.

1179
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 4: Yeah. But looking back as a dad though, I can

1180
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 4: now understand why that was an issue to him. As

1181
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 4: a dad, Yeah, because he's his eyes are what what's

1182
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 4: his son going to be when he's thirty, right when

1183
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 4: he's forty? Yeah, and he wanted to, you know, stamp

1184
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 4: it out.

1185
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 2: So what's the lesson that you learned from?

1186
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1187
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe not even in the moment, but now because

1188
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 1: as you tell that story, I am envisioning a conversation

1189
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: I had with one of my sons this week that

1190
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 1: that probably was a little unfair to them. But at

1191
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 1: the same time, in the big picture, I was right,

1192
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 1: but in the small picture it probably was a little unjust.

1193
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 4: Well, one of my favorite stories in that book, I'll

1194
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 4: use that to illustrate took place when I was very young.

1195
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:25,440
Speaker 2: And.

1196
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 4: When I was probably four. I was right at four

1197
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 4: years old, Dad and I were out at the farm.

1198
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,160
Speaker 4: When I say, we always call you live here in

1199
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 4: the barns out here and out there as the farm,

1200
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 4: the farms for the barns at you know, we were

1201
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 4: out there next to the barn and Dad he smoked,

1202
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 4: and uh, you know, he had him a cigarette and

1203
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 4: looked cool to me. And I said, can I have

1204
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 4: a cigarette? And Dad said, I'll tell you what I'll

1205
01:06:58,120 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 4: do and make a deal with you. He said, you

1206
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 4: can have a cigarette, but if you can't smoke the

1207
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 4: whole thing, you better never ask for another one. So

1208
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 4: he had me the cigarette and I got the puffing

1209
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 4: on it, and I couldn't take but just a few puffs.

1210
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 4: I said, no, wait, man, I cannot handle this. So

1211
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 4: I hand it back to Dad and he looked at

1212
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 4: me and he said, never let me catch you with

1213
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 4: another one. And Dad was a man of his word.

1214
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:28,040
Speaker 4: If he said it in nineteen twenty, it would still

1215
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 4: be good in twenty twenty. And uh, well, just maybe

1216
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 4: a few months or a year past. And h you know,

1217
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 4: my family was a little rough. And one day Dad

1218
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 4: and them, if I remember right, him and one of

1219
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 4: my cousins was sitting on the front porch and they

1220
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 4: were shooting at the mailbox with a pistol. Just hoo, rod.

1221
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 2: And welcome to Apple.

1222
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 4: At you.

1223
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:58,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was looked at their old mailbox.

1224
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 4: I was at I was on the porch with them,

1225
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 4: and Dad said, I've got to run over the store

1226
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 4: for a few minutes. I'll be back. While I was

1227
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 4: on the porch with my cousin. He's older than I am,

1228
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 4: he's closer to Dad's age. And his name was Johnny.

1229
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 4: And Johnny was smoking and Dad pull on driveway. Johnny said,

1230
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:27,320
Speaker 4: you want a cigarette? And uh, I'm like five, I said.

1231
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 4: I said no, I said. Dad told me if he

1232
01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 4: ever caught me another cigarette, he had beat my break.

1233
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:34,680
Speaker 2: So when you first had that first cigarette, you were

1234
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 2: under five.

1235
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:36,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like four.

1236
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 2: I'm thinking eight or ten years old, and that's important context.

1237
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 4: Some I'm like five and Johnny he said, don't worry

1238
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 4: about it. He said, I'll take it for you. I

1239
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:52,200
Speaker 4: won't let you Daddy whip you. So I took the cigarette.

1240
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:54,919
Speaker 4: If you missed. Dad came rolling back in the driveway,

1241
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:57,040
Speaker 4: stepped out of the car, looked at me up on

1242
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 4: the court. Five year old laid back, never said a word,

1243
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:02,439
Speaker 4: walked right up on the porch and got me by

1244
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:09,840
Speaker 4: the hand. We went in the house and kept his

1245
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 4: word on the matter, and Johnny never lifted a finger

1246
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 4: to help me at all. Sorry, dog, And I've told

1247
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:22,800
Speaker 4: him since it I ought to whip him still over

1248
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:27,799
Speaker 4: the matter, and it never helped me all. But fast forward,

1249
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 4: that dad was He was a heavy smoker, but when

1250
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 4: he didn't want me to be a smoker. And it

1251
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 4: was a cat and mouse game because I when I

1252
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 4: got older, I started chewing the back and I loved it.

1253
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 4: I hated smoking, but I love chewing. He didn't want

1254
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 4: me to chew. He didn't want me to be on

1255
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 4: the back at all. Now a lot of people say, well,

1256
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 4: your dad was a hypocrite, and I said, no. What

1257
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 4: you got to understand life as a child, when you

1258
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:56,600
Speaker 4: reach a certain age is your parents love you, but

1259
01:09:56,640 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 4: they're imperfect and if you hold their imperfections again, you'll

1260
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:04,680
Speaker 4: never learn from them. And it wasn't a matter of

1261
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 4: hypocrisy with Dad. It was a matter if he was

1262
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 4: addicted to nicotine and he couldn't stop. He wanted to quit,

1263
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:13,880
Speaker 4: but it had a hold on him and he couldn't

1264
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 4: let go of it. He didn't want that. For me,

1265
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:21,640
Speaker 4: it wasn't hypocrisy, it was love and having issues as

1266
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 4: parents that you don't want your children to have. A

1267
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 4: lot of kids grow up and despise the imperfections of

1268
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:31,600
Speaker 4: their parents and call them hypocrites and say, well, my

1269
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 4: parents didn't live what they preached and all that kind

1270
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:37,880
Speaker 4: of stuff. But you need to Parents need to be

1271
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 4: good to their children, and their children also need to

1272
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 4: reach a material level where they're good to their parents,

1273
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 4: and you need to understand that. We it's the unfortunate

1274
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 4: thing of life as you start raising your children when

1275
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 4: you don't know how to raise them, yep, and by

1276
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:55,720
Speaker 4: the time you do, they're grown. Yep. You don't know.

1277
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 4: Nobody knows exactly what they're doing parenting. I don't care

1278
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:01,560
Speaker 4: who you are. You just you do the best you

1279
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:03,720
Speaker 4: can with what you have. And then the kids need

1280
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:06,320
Speaker 4: to grow up and be merciful to their parents. And

1281
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 4: pray to God that your kids will grow up and

1282
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 4: be merciful to you. Yep.

1283
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 1: That is such insightful, an insightful look on it. We

1284
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:26,759
Speaker 1: have four children. My youngest is setting now seventeen, oldest

1285
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 1: is twenty three. My oldest daughter is married now and

1286
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:33,439
Speaker 1: people I often feel like when people talk to me,

1287
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 1: they think, oh, Clay, you've been through you know, young parents,

1288
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:40,680
Speaker 1: and they're like, you've done this before. How do you

1289
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:43,360
Speaker 1: feel you got some wisdom to give? And I tell

1290
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:46,760
Speaker 1: you that the most the thing that I feel most

1291
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:51,880
Speaker 1: right now is humility. In terms of man, I look back,

1292
01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:54,400
Speaker 1: we were young when we had kids, did it was

1293
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Speaker 1: exactly what you described. We did the best we could.

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01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:00,600
Speaker 1: We really tried to apply the value systems that we

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01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 1: had into our kids. But man, we made a lot

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Speaker 1: of mistakes. Absolutely, And you come into parenting often with

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01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 1: a very idealistic view of how to be a parent,

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01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:16,839
Speaker 1: and then at some point a lot of your doctrine

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01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 1: and the way you did things, you're probably going to

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01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 1: realize you didn't execute it exactly right. Like if you

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01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:24,559
Speaker 1: had written down on a paper, if I'd written down

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01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:27,519
Speaker 1: on a piece of paper everything that I intended to

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01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:30,479
Speaker 1: do with my kids when I was twenty two, probably

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01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:33,040
Speaker 1: I would still agree with that list. But if you

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01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:36,240
Speaker 1: actually took that list and compared it to the to

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01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 1: the replay video of actually what happened, you would see

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01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:44,640
Speaker 1: that I was not great at really executing and and

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01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:50,000
Speaker 1: but I sure tried And yeah, man, right, now, that's

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01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 1: the thing I hope my kids give Misty and eyes

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Speaker 1: is empathy.

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Speaker 2: My wife, Christy has this, this theory. She calls it

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01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:01,880
Speaker 2: the curve of criticality. She says, She says, when you

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01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:05,800
Speaker 2: when you first become a parent, you find everything wrong

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01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 2: that your parents did, you know what I mean, and

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01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:12,439
Speaker 2: you're so unbelievably critical. Then as you get older, you know,

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01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:15,160
Speaker 2: you get into your forties and you start thinking about

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01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:18,400
Speaker 2: your parents and you're like, you know, maybe I kind

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01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 2: of understand why they did that, or you know what

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01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:23,200
Speaker 2: I mean, And you start having a lot more compassion

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01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:26,679
Speaker 2: and understanding for your parents as you see the errors

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Speaker 2: in your parenting years later.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I'll try to take a big spin

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01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:38,559
Speaker 1: here that I think will be relevant. Identity is so powerful,

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01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:40,880
Speaker 1: Like essentially, when you're raising the kid, you're trying to

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01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:43,040
Speaker 1: tell them who they are. You're trying to let them

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01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 1: discover who they're supposed to be. Yep, inside of a context.

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01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:49,479
Speaker 1: You know, you may you may live in Africa, you

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01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:52,360
Speaker 1: may live in Appalachia, but you have a context for

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01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 1: your life. The parent knows that context and how that

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01:13:56,080 --> 01:14:00,200
Speaker 1: child can be successful. More than that, child you, and

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01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:06,600
Speaker 1: much of identity is perceiving things that already have a

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01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:11,760
Speaker 1: very strong identity around you and then triangulating and calibrating

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01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 1: to figure out who you are. And I think that

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01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:17,840
Speaker 1: parents act as that, like when your kid becomes an

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01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 1: adult and gets married and starts having kids and then

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01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 1: they go, well, mom and dad, sure did it wrong.

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01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:26,640
Speaker 1: Back here, we're going to do it right. I mean

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01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 1: they triangulate and basically the parent or the grandparent, or

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01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:34,840
Speaker 1: or it could be a society or a church you

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01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 1: went to, or some reference point that has strong identity

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01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 1: becomes something even if you're critical of it, becomes important

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01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 1: for you to build identity. Does that make sense? So

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01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 1: it's almost like as a parent, now I recognize the

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01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:59,680
Speaker 1: natural tendency and even the it's probably healthy for my

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01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 1: it's to be a little critical of me, and as

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01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:05,960
Speaker 1: a parent I kind of just have to be okay

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01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 1: with that to some degree.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you know, like, well, I got a

1349
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 4: feedback off of that story there from a guy, and

1350
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:16,639
Speaker 4: I would never give names or details, but a guy

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01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 4: sent me an inbox and he said a lot of

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01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:22,240
Speaker 4: churches have bought these books in bulk and give them

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01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:27,200
Speaker 4: out for Father's Day and he said, our church gave

1354
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:28,720
Speaker 4: me your book. He said, I read it and I

1355
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:31,439
Speaker 4: wanted to let you know that he was raised in

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01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 4: one particular state, moved to a more southern state, got

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01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 4: in church, got his life straightened up, but he had

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01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 4: an extreme amount of bitterness toward his dad. His dad

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01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:44,439
Speaker 4: was very abusive when they grew up. And now I

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01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 4: don't consider my dad abusive at all, but this guy

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01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 4: considered his dad very abusive and had a hard time.

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01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 4: He said he read the story about the cigarette and

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01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:56,559
Speaker 4: the explanation of you got to be merciful to your

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01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 4: folks and get over some things. And he said, I

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01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 4: tell you what I did. He said, I've tried for years,

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01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:04,720
Speaker 4: but I decided to forgive my dad. He said, I

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01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:07,799
Speaker 4: forgave him. Want to. I wanted to thank you because

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01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:10,800
Speaker 4: his life, his life's now better because he's not walking

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01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:13,519
Speaker 4: around with the burden of hating his dad the rest

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01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:17,599
Speaker 4: of his life. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's good. That's cool. Yep.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, I mean you've got eighty four stories in

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01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:29,599
Speaker 1: this book like that that all that, all have all.

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Speaker 4: Have a point.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to comment on your writing style, which is uh.

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01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:43,000
Speaker 1: They say they say, uh, himing Way wrote, and I'm

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01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:45,200
Speaker 1: not a Hemingway expert. I've read a couple of books,

1377
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:52,680
Speaker 1: but that he wrote like very short, very like just

1378
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 1: like very direct.

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01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:53,640
Speaker 2: Like.

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Speaker 1: When I first started reading Himingway, I thought it would

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01:16:56,479 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 1: be this like big, grandiose descriptions of stuff, but he

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01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:03,120
Speaker 1: actually known for just being like the ocean was blue

1383
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:05,519
Speaker 1: to the point the wind hit us in the face

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01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:10,040
Speaker 1: from the east. The old man's wrinkles looked like the ocean.

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01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:13,960
Speaker 1: I mean, like, it's just like and as you get

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01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 1: into it, you realize how clear it is as compared

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01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 1: to someone who might be like the ocean sparkled like

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01:17:20,479 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 1: diamonds in the in the in the nether world and

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01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:26,479
Speaker 1: dolphins in It's like, I mean, you know, there's different

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01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:28,680
Speaker 1: ways to do it. When I read your book, I

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01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:34,160
Speaker 1: was I liked how simple and profound it was inside

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01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:39,120
Speaker 1: of like a very restrained style of writing that was

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01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 1: like very clear, very to the point, short, but but poignant.

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01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:47,880
Speaker 1: If that's the right word. I've used that word a

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01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:49,599
Speaker 1: couple of times. I think that's the right word.

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Speaker 4: But anyway, well, there's a story in there about that

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01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 4: that very thing I think that I don't know I haven't.

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01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 4: I haven't read the book since I published it. I

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01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:02,320
Speaker 4: didn't go back and read it. Yeah, but it's I

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01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:03,559
Speaker 4: think it's called talk less.

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01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:05,360
Speaker 1: I remember that.

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01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:08,760
Speaker 4: Sorry. Yeah, And uh, it may seem strange because I'm

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01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:10,639
Speaker 4: a preacher and I talk all the time from the pulpit,

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01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:17,920
Speaker 4: but in private life I don't talk a lot. Ben

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01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:20,400
Speaker 4: doesn't talk a lot. My dad didn't talk a lot.

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01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:24,479
Speaker 4: Now in private conversation, we might have a long conversation,

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01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 4: but I can also ride from here to Idaho with

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01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 4: you don't have to say nothing. And that goes back

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01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:35,120
Speaker 4: to my dad bear hunting, and he would say the

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01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:37,960
Speaker 4: reason some people don't kill bear is because they're on

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01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:41,880
Speaker 4: the radio too much. He say, stay off the radio

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01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 4: and kill the bear, because trying to get out ahead

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01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:47,360
Speaker 4: of the bear, if the dogs is after, you know,

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01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:53,960
Speaker 4: takes focus and movement and action. And there was times

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01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:55,880
Speaker 4: when we would I would ride with I stay the

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01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:58,640
Speaker 4: weekend with my grandpa and we would go up on

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01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:01,240
Speaker 4: the mountain. The hunt wouldn't even know Dad was hunting

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01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:05,599
Speaker 4: that day. Somebody'd find a track, turn the dogs loose

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01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 4: on it, and the race could gone all day long

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01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 4: and you still wouldn't know. He was there, and then

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01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 4: the dogs may get tread and then you'd hear his back.

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01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 4: In the old CB days, you could talk maybe a

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01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:20,920
Speaker 4: couple of miles if you were lucky, but you could

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01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 4: hear the truck drivers for forty miles, you know. Yeah

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01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:26,840
Speaker 4: and so, but you'd hear that thing start crackling, the

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01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:28,679
Speaker 4: way it would when somebody'd keep down on their mic

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01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 4: and Dad would carry this great, big radio. I'd be

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01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 4: in the truck with my grandpa and you'd hear that crackling,

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01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:37,439
Speaker 4: and Dad say, how about it, Barry, it's all over?

1430
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:42,720
Speaker 4: And that's it. I mean, it's the race been going

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01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:44,880
Speaker 4: all day. I mean it was wild and chaotic and

1432
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 4: a huge, big day. And Dad's comment was I've killed it.

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01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:52,559
Speaker 1: And y'all didn't even know he was there.

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01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 4: You wouldn't even know I was hunting. Yeah, it'd say

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01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:57,760
Speaker 4: about it, Barry, it's all over. One of the things

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01:19:57,800 --> 01:19:59,599
Speaker 4: that gave him an advantage. He didn't run his mouth

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01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 4: all the time them. Yeah.

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01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, mm hmm. That's tough. That's tough. Council to

1439
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 1: a podcast.

1440
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 3: From Yeah, on the podcast, the next Bear Grease is

1441
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:17,559
Speaker 3: going to be two minutes long.

1442
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, next grease.

1443
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:22,800
Speaker 1: No, No, it's gonna be fifty five minutes long like

1444
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:25,240
Speaker 1: all the rest of them, and we're gonna have some

1445
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 1: silence on there. I'm gonna be like, guys, I really

1446
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:32,040
Speaker 1: want you all to think about this for about ten minutes.

1447
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:33,040
Speaker 1: Just music.

1448
01:20:35,479 --> 01:20:35,639
Speaker 4: Man.

1449
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:45,240
Speaker 1: That Yeah, that's good man, that's really good. It's been

1450
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:48,000
Speaker 1: when when you when I first I ordered this book

1451
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:53,120
Speaker 1: off Amazon? When you when you when you uh printed

1452
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:57,000
Speaker 1: it and when you published it. I remember, I don't

1453
01:20:57,040 --> 01:21:05,799
Speaker 1: remember the details. I remember a story of tobacco, stealing tobacco.

1454
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:13,759
Speaker 1: I don't remember was there wasn't there a story about

1455
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:17,479
Speaker 1: and I think it was you that stole tobacco from

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01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:20,840
Speaker 1: a country store and yeah, you mind telling that story?

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01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:26,040
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness. Yeah. Uh there was a country store there.

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01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:29,439
Speaker 4: It was called Cove Creek, and uh, I mean, I

1459
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:31,400
Speaker 4: just I know it sounds weird for a kid, but

1460
01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:34,080
Speaker 4: I just love tobacco. I mean I liked it.

1461
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 1: And uh so voodoo as we call it, the he

1462
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:41,560
Speaker 1: did try a cigarette.

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01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:44,040
Speaker 4: It for yeah, exactly. So that the hunters would meet

1464
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 4: at Cove Creek in the morning, real early and sort

1465
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:49,240
Speaker 4: of formulate a game plan, then go up on the

1466
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 4: mountain and try to execute the game plan. Well, that

1467
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:55,320
Speaker 4: particular morning, I was with my papa and it's only

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01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:57,040
Speaker 4: me and him and the guy that owned the store

1469
01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:59,639
Speaker 4: in the building at the time, and we were standing

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01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 4: here to owner, and the tobacco isle was not behind

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01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:04,680
Speaker 4: the counter. Then it should have been for kids like me,

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01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:08,880
Speaker 4: I guess, but the tobacco was all over here, and

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01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:10,519
Speaker 4: I eyed that, and I thought, boy, I'd like to

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01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:12,960
Speaker 4: have that today I'll be out in the mountains by myself.

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01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:17,800
Speaker 4: And so I just eased around the side, got down

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01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:24,400
Speaker 4: on I don't know ten twelve, Yeah, got down on

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01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:27,840
Speaker 4: my knees, and I just crawled over there, reached my

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01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:30,840
Speaker 4: hand around and got me a pack, and eased my

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01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:35,000
Speaker 4: way back to the store bathroom, concealed. It just walked

1480
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:38,280
Speaker 4: out like nothing ever happened. With The sorry thing about

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01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:39,720
Speaker 4: that is the man that owns the story as a

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01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:42,720
Speaker 4: family friend, a personal friend of my grandfather. I'd have

1483
01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:45,559
Speaker 4: got caught red ended, my grandpa would have been destroyed.

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01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:51,200
Speaker 4: I mean, it's entirely self centered, selfish thing, not to

1485
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:54,160
Speaker 4: mention just the penalty in my family forgetting caught being

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01:22:54,200 --> 01:23:00,560
Speaker 4: a thief. And so years went by, I became a

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01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:03,080
Speaker 4: Christian I went to Bible College. I was out in

1488
01:23:03,160 --> 01:23:06,760
Speaker 4: Montana planting the church, and we'd come home to visit,

1489
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 4: and we didn't get home very often. I drove down

1490
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 4: the Houston Valley Road on the way down to Papa

1491
01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:13,640
Speaker 4: was and passed the old man's house and on the

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01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:16,599
Speaker 4: store he had sold it, but then he was still alive.

1493
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:19,600
Speaker 4: And when I passed thy house, the Lord told me

1494
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:23,160
Speaker 4: you stole from him, and now it's time for restitution.

1495
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:27,680
Speaker 4: You claimed to be a Christian and you stole from him,

1496
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:30,439
Speaker 4: and you take care of it. I turned the car around.

1497
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:36,080
Speaker 4: I drove back down to his house. You know, it

1498
01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:43,240
Speaker 4: was shame. And I walked up, knocked on his door,

1499
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 4: and he came up the door and he said why

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01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:49,040
Speaker 4: you know he knew me, and I said, I got

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01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:51,720
Speaker 4: to talk to you about something. He said, all right.

1502
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:56,000
Speaker 4: I told him what had happened, and I wish it

1503
01:23:56,040 --> 01:24:01,439
Speaker 4: had just hit me in the face, but instead he said, Tracy,

1504
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:05,360
Speaker 4: I never would have thought that of You could not.

1505
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:11,080
Speaker 4: That was hard. It's like being poleaxed because Dad wouldn't

1506
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:13,400
Speaker 4: have done it, and Papa wouldn't have done it, but

1507
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:19,080
Speaker 4: their boy did. And I asked him to forgive me,

1508
01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:23,360
Speaker 4: and then I asked him what I owed him. You know,

1509
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:26,840
Speaker 4: Zachs was told to pay back four times or offered

1510
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:31,120
Speaker 4: to pay back four times when he stole. And I

1511
01:24:31,160 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 4: didn't know what the interest was on the pack at

1512
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:37,320
Speaker 4: the back of from the seventies. And the old man

1513
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:39,120
Speaker 4: told me. He said no, he said, you don't owe

1514
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:40,880
Speaker 4: me a thing. He said, don't you worry about it.

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01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:49,240
Speaker 4: He forgave me so but cleared my conscience. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

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01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:50,679
Speaker 1: Man, what a good story.

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01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:51,719
Speaker 4: That is a good story.

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01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:55,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, that stuff is powerful. I think people people that

1519
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:59,400
Speaker 1: don't understand the way the spirit realm works, which the

1520
01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:02,120
Speaker 1: spirit real am is as real as the physical realm,

1521
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:07,599
Speaker 1: don't understand the power of stuff like that. Yeah, truly,

1522
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:15,400
Speaker 1: I mean that that that that's a great story.

1523
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:20,320
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, And that that was a good That

1524
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 4: was a good man. And I was glad to have

1525
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:24,840
Speaker 4: that out of the way.

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01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:25,599
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1527
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:28,400
Speaker 4: But the Lord will do that after you, after you

1528
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 4: get saved and become a Christian and the Holy Spirit

1529
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:37,719
Speaker 4: lives inside of you, the Lord, I tell I explained

1530
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:39,840
Speaker 4: this to my church a few weeks ago with an

1531
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:44,040
Speaker 4: illustration about turkey calls. When I make a turkey call,

1532
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:46,519
Speaker 4: people ask me how do you make one? I soa

1533
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:48,479
Speaker 4: I just take a piece of wood, it's got turkey

1534
01:25:48,520 --> 01:25:53,040
Speaker 4: in it. Then I remove everything that's not turkey. And

1535
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:56,400
Speaker 4: because someone's don't really have turkey in them, they're just

1536
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:59,880
Speaker 4: not good for a call. But and now, like in

1537
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:02,880
Speaker 4: that to being saved, you're never going to be a

1538
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:06,400
Speaker 4: Christian until God's in you. When you get saved, God

1539
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:08,280
Speaker 4: moves in you. Now you've got something for God to

1540
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:12,479
Speaker 4: work with. And then after Christ moves inside of you,

1541
01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:15,960
Speaker 4: then God spends the rest of your life taking everything

1542
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:17,240
Speaker 4: out of you that's not Christ.

1543
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:18,000
Speaker 3: Yep.

1544
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:22,679
Speaker 4: And I think when I chip away at those turkey

1545
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:24,519
Speaker 4: calls and move a piece here, and if you ever

1546
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:28,679
Speaker 4: make a box call, it's very intricate in the sound,

1547
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:31,479
Speaker 4: the slope of it, the hall of the inside, the

1548
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:33,559
Speaker 4: shape of it. I mean, you can be so close

1549
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:37,000
Speaker 4: and it's still not sound like a turkey. Then you

1550
01:26:37,160 --> 01:26:39,560
Speaker 4: almost get it, and then you go too far and

1551
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:43,240
Speaker 4: there's no going back. So you're trying to hit that

1552
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:47,080
Speaker 4: just right with a removal that would because you can't

1553
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:49,160
Speaker 4: add it back to where it sounds like a turkey.

1554
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:52,639
Speaker 4: And it's better to stop too soon. And I think

1555
01:26:52,720 --> 01:26:58,320
Speaker 4: that's discipleship is God taking everything out of you. That's

1556
01:26:58,360 --> 01:26:59,200
Speaker 4: not christ.

1557
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. That's good. It's good man. This has been fantastic.

1558
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:10,040
Speaker 2: We've been talking for hour and a half, almost hour.

1559
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:15,040
Speaker 1: And a half. That has been fantastic. Blake, what about

1560
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 1: that silly podcast you've got? What's it called it?

1561
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:18,599
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter anymore?

1562
01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:23,360
Speaker 2: Uh?

1563
01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:27,560
Speaker 1: No that this has been so good. Yeah, So you

1564
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:29,520
Speaker 1: can order this online.

1565
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:31,400
Speaker 4: Yes, sir, he can order it on Amazon.

1566
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:35,280
Speaker 1: Ordered on Amazon and called the old Man and Tracy

1567
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:41,559
Speaker 1: Tennessee is uh Tennessee Jones. He fulfills these orders himself.

1568
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:43,839
Speaker 1: I mean you got you got? Is that correct?

1569
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:44,360
Speaker 3: Or?

1570
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:44,479
Speaker 4: No?

1571
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:44,880
Speaker 3: No?

1572
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:48,080
Speaker 4: Uh, you can order them straight from me. People do

1573
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 4: that if they want them signed, Okay, they can just

1574
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:51,320
Speaker 4: you know.

1575
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:53,240
Speaker 1: So Amazon is printing them on demand.

1576
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:56,880
Speaker 4: Amazon's print on demand. And yeah, when they first started

1577
01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:58,719
Speaker 4: to do it, you know when that when that first dropped,

1578
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:02,720
Speaker 4: it went to uh an Amazon what they call it

1579
01:28:05,439 --> 01:28:09,240
Speaker 4: for a new there's some category they have that's a

1580
01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:13,240
Speaker 4: new publication. That went to number one right away. Well,

1581
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:16,840
Speaker 4: then Amazon throttled it. They had ai that I guess

1582
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:21,200
Speaker 4: read the book and it was not politically correct. So

1583
01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:25,679
Speaker 4: Amazon throttled it. Well, my state representative and the mayor

1584
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:29,080
Speaker 4: of Knoxville got a hold of Amazon said in Tennessee,

1585
01:28:29,200 --> 01:28:32,680
Speaker 4: we don't allow discrimination, we believe in free speech, and

1586
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:36,160
Speaker 4: Amazon the very next day gave me a positive review.

1587
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:43,519
Speaker 4: I didn't know AI could be so bendable. Yeah. And

1588
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:46,040
Speaker 4: one of the coolest things I've had happened is I

1589
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:50,160
Speaker 4: got a card from JD Vance that somebody'd give him

1590
01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:53,560
Speaker 4: a copy of it. State representative had give him a

1591
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:54,960
Speaker 4: copy and he had read it and he sent me

1592
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:58,679
Speaker 4: a card. Wow, that was pretty cool. Yeah, yep, yeah,

1593
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:01,120
Speaker 4: that's great.

1594
01:29:02,200 --> 01:29:05,759
Speaker 1: So The Old Men The Conversations that Help Boys Become

1595
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:11,760
Speaker 1: Men by T. L. Tennessee Jones, Tennessee Jones, T. L.

1596
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:13,760
Speaker 2: Tracy, Tennessee Jones Man.

1597
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:20,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, excellent, excellent. Well Blake Backwoods University, June the ninth,

1598
01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:24,880
Speaker 1: June ninth, June ninth, be bi weekly, bi weekly show

1599
01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:29,800
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, you'll be hearing more from Doctor Lake

1600
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:32,240
Speaker 1: Pickle on the Bear Grease feed.

1601
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:33,400
Speaker 2: Looking forward to it.

1602
01:29:33,720 --> 01:29:34,479
Speaker 4: Happy to be here.

1603
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:37,560
Speaker 1: We've got a nice robust feed. We're gonna have to

1604
01:29:37,640 --> 01:29:40,240
Speaker 1: start I talk to Brent about this. I think we're

1605
01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:45,080
Speaker 1: gonna have to start some episodes with like a description

1606
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:49,240
Speaker 1: of the channel because bear Grease started as just like

1607
01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:52,360
Speaker 1: the podcast, the bear Grease podcast, that's just what all

1608
01:29:52,439 --> 01:29:55,240
Speaker 1: it was. It actually started with one bi weekly show,

1609
01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:58,120
Speaker 1: which was bear Grease Podcast. After a few months, we

1610
01:29:58,160 --> 01:29:59,720
Speaker 1: were like, let's take it the weekly and do this

1611
01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:03,960
Speaker 1: thing called the Render, which is this round table a

1612
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:08,280
Speaker 1: little bit more of a traditional style podcast, conversational, long

1613
01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:12,800
Speaker 1: form stuff. And then we added this Country Life, and

1614
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:14,959
Speaker 1: then now we've added Backwoods University.

1615
01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:19,640
Speaker 2: So basically Monday, Wednesday, Friday, just packing them in.

1616
01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:22,360
Speaker 1: You got something, You've got no more room for any

1617
01:30:22,439 --> 01:30:23,800
Speaker 1: other podcast.

1618
01:30:24,040 --> 01:30:24,920
Speaker 4: And that's what we want.

1619
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:28,040
Speaker 2: Listen, unsubscribe from those other ones.

1620
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:30,800
Speaker 1: We need to We need to find a way to

1621
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:33,680
Speaker 1: like service all the category. I guess we just got

1622
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:35,680
Speaker 1: to figure out what fields we're playing in. I mean,

1623
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:38,640
Speaker 1: we're now in the wildlife, Bilisy field, Brent's and the

1624
01:30:38,720 --> 01:30:40,439
Speaker 1: I don't know what Brent's doing. I mean, I don't

1625
01:30:40,439 --> 01:30:42,519
Speaker 1: know how you would even describe it. When I try

1626
01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:44,479
Speaker 1: to describe what Brent does, I'm just like, I just

1627
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:46,800
Speaker 1: listened to it. I bet you'll like it, and I'm

1628
01:30:47,240 --> 01:30:49,400
Speaker 1: always right. I'm always right.

1629
01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:51,840
Speaker 4: I can't believe how many people that I run into

1630
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:54,280
Speaker 4: that listen to by Our Grease. I mean it surprises me.

1631
01:30:54,439 --> 01:30:57,160
Speaker 4: I mean I'll go somewhere to preach, and like there

1632
01:30:57,320 --> 01:31:01,280
Speaker 4: was a I was in Chesapeake, Virginia and I was

1633
01:31:01,320 --> 01:31:03,599
Speaker 4: going to preach a sportsman's banquet for a church over there,

1634
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:07,360
Speaker 4: and a little kid, probably I bet he was like

1635
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:09,960
Speaker 4: eight ten years old, walked up to me and he said,

1636
01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:12,360
Speaker 4: now you were on bear Grease, right, you didn't care

1637
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:16,639
Speaker 4: if I was there. It was an association. Yeah yeah,

1638
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:19,639
Speaker 4: And so that kid, and it's all and it's people

1639
01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:23,080
Speaker 4: you wouldn't even think listen to podcast. It's great. Yeah yeah, yep.

1640
01:31:24,160 --> 01:31:27,200
Speaker 1: Oh cool. Well, thank you t Al for coming.

1641
01:31:27,320 --> 01:31:27,519
Speaker 4: Yep.

1642
01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:29,920
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Came all the way from East Tennessee,

1643
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:33,439
Speaker 1: like going it all the way from Mississippi. Thank you

1644
01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:37,960
Speaker 1: for coming. Happy to be here, yep. And anything else

1645
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:38,600
Speaker 1: we're supposed to.

1646
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:41,040
Speaker 2: Talk about, I don't think so. I think you're covering

1647
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:41,320
Speaker 2: it all.

1648
01:31:41,439 --> 01:31:44,080
Speaker 1: Keep the wild places wild, because that's where the bears live.