1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: The volume. This is Prime Cuts, the best of the 2 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,799 Speaker 1: Colin Coward Podcast. One of my favorite guests ever on 3 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 1: the show this week, NBA Hall of Famer Sonics legend 4 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 1: Gary Peyton I'm a Seattle Kid, talks about what Ben 5 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: Simmons needs to do to save his career in Philly. 6 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: Good luck with that, and Gary goes right back at 7 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan over his comments in the Last Dance. Doug 8 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: Gottlieb on why he doesn't like the idea of a 9 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 1: twelve team college football playoff for several reasons, and some 10 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: insight in Aaron Rodgers. But first my top takes of 11 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: the week. You know, I was thinking about this Packers 12 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: Rogers situation and you look at it, and one of 13 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: the reasons it's so upsetting is because green Bay never 14 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: gets any drama. Green Bay has had drama exactly twice 15 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: in the last fifteen years. Brett Farve drama and Aaron 16 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: Rodgers drama. They're two biggest stars. This is incredibly typical 17 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: for every other major city in the country. Green Bay, though, 18 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 1: is a small town. It's not a leader of industry. 19 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: They historically have not been a star driven franchise. But 20 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: if you really look at Wisconsin, Milwaukee Green Bay. The 21 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 1: Packers have made four NFC Championship games in recent memory. 22 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: The Bucks are in a heated series with the Brooklyn Nets. 23 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: The Brewers are tied with the Cubs for the National 24 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: League Central lead. Wisconsin football's won ten games seven times 25 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: in the past decade, and the Badger of men's basketball 26 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: team has several deep runs in the attorney. And they've 27 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: all done this with only really Yannis Aaron Rodgers as 28 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: marquee stars. The reality is, the more of them you have, 29 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: the more drama you have. Actually, if there was some 30 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: sort of winning superstar ratio, the state of Wisconsin probably 31 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: wins more with fewer stars than any other state in 32 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: the country. So that's why Rogers and the Packers seem 33 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: so intense and over the top. This is not a 34 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: star driven state. NBA free agents don't go to Milwaukee. 35 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: They got a draft their way to the top. NFL 36 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,239 Speaker 1: free agents don't go to Green Bay. They've got a 37 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: draft their way to the top. Let's be honest about 38 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: the Brewers. It's overwhelmingly homegrown talent. Wisconsin Badgers never have 39 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: a top seven, eight ten recruiting class, nor historically do 40 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: they hire high profile coaches. The Sabans do not end 41 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: up with the Badgers, so this seems so extreme with 42 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. I live in Los Angeles. This is monthly, 43 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: weekly stuff. What Milwaukee and Wisconsin should be proud of. 44 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 1: Who wins as much as this spot in the country, 45 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: with this few stars and this little drama, it's unheard of. 46 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: I could make the argument that if you included the 47 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: Wisconsin Athletic Department, the Brewers front office, the Bucks front office, 48 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: and the Packers front office, it may be the strongest 49 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: four combined units in the country. Upstairs, listen, Aaron Rodgers, 50 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: He's a little prickly. This is part of having the 51 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: occasional star. You know, there are people out there, random people, 52 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: media fans saying there should be an asterisk by whoever 53 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: wins the NBA Championship because of all the injuries. Well, 54 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: Tiger Woods for about eleven to twelve years was injured 55 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: on the tour, some of it in his prime. Should 56 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: every golfer that won a PGA event have an asterisk 57 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: next to his trophy? Listen? Part of drafting, part of 58 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: free agency. When you draft and acquire agents, you look 59 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: at their body type, you look at their injury history. 60 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:09,839 Speaker 1: If you're Brooklyn and you acquire Kyrie Irving, he's been 61 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: hurt since Duke. He was hurt in Cleveland, he missed 62 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: games in Boston. Now he misses games in Brooklyn. They 63 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 1: knew that Brooklyn rolled the dice on a physically brittle player. 64 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: Kevin Durant had been hurt multiple times. Brooklyn rolled the 65 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: dice on Kevin Durant's health. The Lakers rolled the dice 66 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 1: on Anthony Davis's health. Anytime you draft players out of college, 67 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: if you have a college quarterback that's been hurt twice, 68 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: a lot of teams take him off the board. Injuries 69 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: are a huge component to who NFL and NBA teams 70 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 1: are drafting. Same with free agency. Just say it right now. 71 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: If you want Joel Mbiden, he goes to the market. 72 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: It's not bad luck. If you acquire him and he 73 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: gets hurt twice over the course of three years, you 74 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: rolled that dice. There's no secrets here. Nobody's rolling back 75 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: the odometer. I spent an entire NFL Draft Friday in 76 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: the Chargers war room a couple of years ago, and 77 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 1: when I walked in, they had their board. This is 78 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 1: top secret. And next to the board were black dots 79 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: and red dots, and black dots meant undraftable because of character, 80 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: and there were at least twenty five players. Some were 81 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: really high end players I'd heard of. Next to that 82 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: were red dots. Those were undraftable players due to injuries. 83 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: So the Chargers, who have a pretty damn good roster, 84 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 1: eliminated fifty to sixty players because of injuries or character. 85 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: So I don't want to hear bad luck with a 86 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: torn ankle a meniscus. You look around this league right now. 87 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: The only guy who's hurt, who's seemingly never hurt, is 88 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: James har Harden is a guy that gave you a 89 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: good effort every night, did not miss game Kyrie, embad 90 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: Lebron last two years. Anthony Davis, Mike Conley, Clay Thompson. 91 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: That's why they're not in there. The bad luck, good luck. 92 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: Don't kid yourself. These front offices go over and over 93 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: the health of players they either draft or acquire. Buyer 94 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: beware on previously brittle athletes. There's a cottage industry about 95 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: like sports ratings, and they don't really matter. They matter 96 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: for my show, or they matter for Stephen A. Smith's 97 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: show because the higher ratings we get, that'll help us 98 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: come contract time. But what you have right now is 99 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,239 Speaker 1: a race for content. It doesn't matter what the ratings are. 100 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 1: The NFL was down last year and everybody had to 101 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: pay twice as much as their previous contract because you 102 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: can't live without the NFL. Hockey has no audience and 103 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: I mean no audience, no television audience in America at all. 104 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: It's got no radio audience. It doesn't really do anything 105 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: on Twitter social media. Both Canadian and American broadcast deals 106 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: are five times higher than fifteen years ago. People need content. 107 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what it is. When I hear about 108 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: NBA ratings, whether they're good or bad, their next deal 109 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: is going to be probably close to fifty percent higher 110 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: than their previous deal. But whenever you see this stuff 111 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: on the internet and these media critics, I understand their job. 112 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: TV ratings really don't matter for sports, they don't. The 113 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: NBA is down thirty five percent over the last two years, 114 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: but they're still getting two point seven million, three point 115 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: three million, four point four million for playoffs series. And 116 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: there's a lot of mattress companies, Mountain Dew, PEPSI, travel companies, 117 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: airlines where there's no better place to put their ad 118 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:13,559 Speaker 1: and get eyeballs, especially in the NBA eighteen to thirty 119 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: nine year old eyeballs. What you find is the people 120 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: that bring up ratings generally there's some sort of political agenda. 121 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: I mean, Iowa's laugh at people that criticize the NBA 122 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: ratings and they say, well, it's the same teams winning 123 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: every year. It's the same college football teams in the 124 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: Final five every year. You want to know who the 125 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: four best college football teams are going to be next year? Alabama, 126 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: Ohio State, Clemson, and Oklahoma. Shocker. During the Kaepernick situation, 127 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: the NFL ratings were down six or seven percent and 128 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: the media just went bonkers. And my takeaway was in 129 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:51,559 Speaker 1: television they have what they call A B, C and 130 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 1: D markets. D is very rural. A is cities, B 131 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: are the burbs, C is outside of the burbs, and 132 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 1: D is the country in rural. It really Kaepernick situation 133 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: really hurt the D markets, the C and D markets. 134 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: It didn't hurt the A and B markets as they 135 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: call them in TV. So if anybody's going to get 136 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 1: hurt on ratings, it's not the sports It may be 137 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: the networks because they can't charge as much for advertising Fox, CBS, NBC, 138 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: But the leagues are always going to get their money 139 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: and the players are always going to get their money, always, 140 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: no exceptions. Baseball has been on a downward trajectory for 141 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: thirty years. Thirty years when they're available, most of the 142 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: network's bid on it. And now we've got new streaming services. 143 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: Amazon is now in the game. Amazon wasn't in the 144 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: game ten years ago. Apple could get in the game. 145 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: So now you have more bidders and these tech companies, 146 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: I mean, what's an expense for NBC is a rounding 147 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: air for Amazon. I mean these tech companies make they 148 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 1: have billion billion dollars weekends. I mean you'll see these 149 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: companies in Silicon Valley on a good week on the 150 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: stock market. It's a trillion dollar week. We do not 151 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: have those at network television. So enjoy the games, don't 152 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 1: worry about the ratings. The leagues always make their money 153 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: and the athletes always make theirs. As somebody who grew 154 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: up in the Pacific Northwest as a Sonics fan and 155 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: as a Pack twelve basketball fan, Gary Payton goes beyond 156 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: legend a Hall of Famer, a nine time All Star, 157 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:38,719 Speaker 1: nine times All Defense NBA champ, and his career is 158 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: fascinating because he didn't go to your classic Kentucky Kansas 159 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: basketball power. He was allowed to develop, and then he 160 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: went to the Sonics and again was allowed to develop. 161 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 1: Played every game, seven points a game, nine and a 162 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: half points a game, thirteen points a game. And Gary, 163 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 1: it's interesting. I went today to your NBA career stats 164 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 1: and I thought, Hell, there are teams today that wouldn't 165 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: be may not have been patient with you. You were 166 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: playing every game, but you started seven a game, nine 167 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: a game, thirteen a game, and then from that point forward, 168 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: for about thirteen years, you were a monster. Do you 169 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: sometimes think to yourself, everybody is so impatient. Now there's 170 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: so many coaching firings. Now you may have run through 171 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: four coaches that you your career may not be as 172 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: great today. Although you were a great three point shooter. 173 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 1: That Seattle's patience with you and the ability to develop 174 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: was a huge part of your success over time. Oh 175 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: and that's that's great. That's great. That's a great way 176 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: to put it. Because the first two years of my 177 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: career were off. I didn't have the right coach, which 178 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: was was Casey Jones. He was used to having the 179 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 1: Boston subjects with the Larry Birds, the Machals and stuff 180 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: like that, juston players just going out there. We were 181 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: young men, Sean Kent. We were young. We were trying 182 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: to get it. We were trying to understand the game. 183 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: We didn't know it. We went against Michael Jordan, Isaiah Thomas, 184 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: all the type of guys who were already veterans, and 185 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: we were coming in their brass, young kids that didn't 186 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: know it, and we didn't know how to play. So 187 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: they took time. And then the Accoletes who were owning 188 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: the team at the time, did a great job with us. 189 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: They access what do we need, we needed to change 190 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: and if we got to change. When we got George 191 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,959 Speaker 1: call and and and Tim Gergeridge, who came from Olivia, 192 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: n LV which is like a dad to me, and 193 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: when he took me in, he took me back to 194 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: summer leagues and in summer leagues when they were in Utah, 195 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: when they were in La at Loyola Marrimont, and he 196 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:47,839 Speaker 1: made us play and our third year in the year 197 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: and and a prose. In the third year of prose, 198 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: I remember the time he took me into a U 199 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: into his um hotel room. He had two TVs there. 200 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: He had one with the organ State where I played 201 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: when I was playing the Organs State, and want when 202 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: I was playing with Seattle. Before he got there, he 203 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: made me watch both of them. It almost made me 204 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: cry to see me played as a signing. I wanted 205 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: to quit basketball. But then when I looked at my 206 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: sting at an Organ State, I said, that's Gary Payton 207 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: and he said, that's all I wanted you to say, 208 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: because we're gonna throw this TV away and this is 209 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: how you're gonna play from now on at at at Seattle. 210 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 1: And that's what I started doing, and then everything took 211 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: the change and it went. It went from there. And 212 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: to develop a player, it's better to me than anything 213 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: to get the potential out of it because they might 214 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 1: not be ready, because I look at it in college 215 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 1: now calling and I see a lot of players that 216 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 1: come out of the Dukes, the North Carolines. They're not ready, 217 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: and then and they don't last in the NBA that long, 218 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you don't give them that chance, 219 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden they get lost and 220 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: then we were are guys that we was hoping that 221 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: was gonna be that way, but they weren't. 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Who was an underrated point guard that 257 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: I would be surprised that gave you a little trouble, awkward, 258 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: different game length, twitchy, a guy that was a little 259 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: underrated that maybe didn't make the All Star teams, but 260 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: it was a little tougher than people. By far. By 261 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: far was one was a great point guard before Tony 262 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: Parker became that point guard who got everything in a paint. 263 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: You guys, go back and look at the rosterick the numbers. 264 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: He was doing that before Tony Parker. He was getting 265 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: to the paint whenever he felt like an in scored. 266 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: He was very strong. He was really crappy, and you 267 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: thought about you can do things to him, but you 268 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: couldn't and you couldn't guard him like that. And I 269 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: thought that they he was so underrated and didn't make 270 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: All Star team, but he was good people are wasn't 271 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: It wasn't really aware. And right here now in my office, 272 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: I got Rod Strictlyer's jersey at because I respect him 273 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: that much, and got his sign right by John Stockton, 274 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: So I you know, so these guys, I just think 275 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 1: Rod Strictly was very underrated and a very good point 276 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 1: guard that I really didn't like the guard. By the way, 277 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 1: was there a perennial All Star that you actually liked? 278 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: Matching all of them with your body type, every All 279 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: Star guard I wanted to match up with Kevin Johnson, 280 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: Tim Hardaway, John Stockton. I wanted to match up with 281 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,199 Speaker 1: every one of them because I wanted to be that 282 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 1: number one point golf. When I'm always they talking about 283 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 1: all you, number two, you number three, I wanted to 284 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: always be number one. And that's why I chased John 285 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 1: Stocked it down so much. And that's why iolize him 286 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:51,199 Speaker 1: now because he taught me a lot about being becoming 287 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: the number one point guard. So I wanted everybody whoever 288 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 1: was an All Star. I didn't shy away from none 289 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: of them. I mean, you're a class. You come into 290 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: the league, you have things to work on, your coachable 291 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 1: and you become a star. Then there's the opposite of you, 292 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: which is Ben Simmons, who is six to eleven, comes 293 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 1: into the league almost as a prodigy and appears to 294 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: be indifferent about improving his game. He can't shoot a 295 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: free throw? Are I mean you didn't have You ended 296 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: up being a very good scorer. But when I think 297 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: of Gary Peyton, I don't think, oh, he's Steph Curry's 298 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: a natural shooter. You worked on it is Ben Simmons. 299 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: Is he hopeless? Can you change a shot? Did you 300 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: ever play with a guy that literally first couple of 301 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 1: years in the league, you're like, dude, can't hit a 302 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 1: free throw and became a great shooter. Is some of 303 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: shooting gary just natural. Some guys have a rhythm, and 304 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 1: some guys just naturally don't. That's who is so al 305 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: us have a rhythm and some of us don't. I 306 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 1: think what what Ben Simmons problem is is that he's 307 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: so good and he does stuff so well and nobody 308 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: stops him. He doesn't think that he has to change 309 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: or he has to shoot that shot because he knows 310 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: he can get to the basket. As you remember when 311 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: he missed the free throws and they was hacking him 312 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Then he came back in Game 313 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: three and dominated that. You remember he had dunks, he 314 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: had twenty some points. He's very confidence. His confidence was here, 315 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: but when it gets down here he starts to be 316 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 1: that player that he listens to everything. I think basketball 317 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: is all about confidence. As you said, colleague, I didn't 318 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: come in the league as a great shooter. He said, 319 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: that was my knock on me. Then drafted can he shoot? 320 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: But what I did was I started working at it 321 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,479 Speaker 1: with with coach coach Kirk and all of a sudden, 322 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: when I shot it, I believe it was going in 323 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: and I did it. But what I became was a score, 324 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: not a shooter. I'm not a shooter. I'm a score. 325 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: All I had to do was put that that orange 326 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: basketball between that orange rim and people will people who 327 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: understand what's going on, we have to stop him from 328 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: doing that. And then when they start trying to do that, 329 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 1: I put my game out, hit a couple of shots 330 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: and kid the threes. Now you're gonna pull up on me, 331 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: and then my game is going to the bucket and 332 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: being quick. And that's all I had to do. But 333 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: what being is he is at the work on his 334 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 1: free throw shoot. That's it being a point guard. I 335 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 1: get you happily shoot seventy five percent or buff to 336 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: make them be respectful. I think that is disrespectful to 337 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 1: play the shock of hack against him and they think 338 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 1: about it. You gotta take him out of the game, 339 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: and he's one of your stars. I think he should 340 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 1: take that personal, and I think he should go and 341 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 1: work on it and make punish people every time they 342 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: do that. Punish them and go over to the bench 343 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: and look at him when you do that, and say, 344 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 1: keep following me because I'm gonna keep getting more points. 345 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 1: You know what's funny, We have since found out that 346 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan was not always the greatest teammate. Scottie Petlins 347 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: got a new book out when Michael took a shot 348 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: at you, and it was just kind of Michael's confidence. 349 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 1: That's how he talks. You didn't fire back, It didn't 350 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: seem to penetrate. I don't know. I'm sure people have 351 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,959 Speaker 1: asked you, did it piss you off? Or did you 352 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: just come to terms with That's just Michael, That's just 353 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: who he is. That's how he talks. Colin. I didn't 354 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 1: care about that, because I tell everybody now and now 355 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: I've been commented on it. If he didn't say that, 356 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 1: I wouldn't respect him. I wouldn't respect him at all. 357 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 1: I wouldn't even look at him anymore. Because he's a 358 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,199 Speaker 1: competitor like me. I look forward to guard him. You 359 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. He laughed. I would have laughed 360 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: the same thing because I don't think he could guard me. 361 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: So if you would have did that, I wouldn't be 362 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: like please, you know what I'm saying. So it's a 363 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: respect thing. I think Michael Jordan is great. You know 364 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I love playing against him, but it's 365 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: his show. He directed that. Why would he say something 366 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: to make him look like a fluid? So I'm good, 367 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: I'm good with it. I don't care about that. We 368 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: can't breath the path back. I can't bring nineteen ninety 369 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: six back. I wish that we would have did things 370 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: different and I would have guarded even earlier because we 371 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 1: would have showed me. But as we all know, they 372 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: want it. It is what it is. But I would 373 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 1: have laughed too, you know what I'm saying, because it 374 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: is what it is. I'm still laughing because I know 375 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: when he was guarding me, he couldn't guard me either. Yeah, 376 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: it's funny. You would have worked very well in today's game. 377 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,400 Speaker 1: You're you're an excellent three point shooter. Again, you would 378 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 1: have been, you know, a better Donovan Mitchell. And Donovan 379 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 1: Mitchell's an All Star. You know, Michael was never he 380 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,719 Speaker 1: never had the range of Kobe. Michael was not he 381 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: was He was more Kawhi Leonard and by the way, 382 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 1: Michael with that strength could not keep people in front 383 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 1: of him like he did. Michael was always stronger than 384 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: people thought. I'm not saying Michael wouldn't be terrific, but 385 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: it is interesting that certain players are built for certain 386 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: eras you are built for today. You were a three 387 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: point shooter, you were what coaches look for you. You 388 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: were like Chris Paul, but a much better offensive player. 389 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: When when you you really when you look at Chris 390 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: Paul in his prime, do you see a little of 391 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: your skyl and I with him and Rondo, I basically 392 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 1: praised them too. Right now, there are only two point 393 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: guards in the NBA right now, that's true point guards, 394 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: period point bard. They're just true point guards. Everybody else 395 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: there's like two and two guards. To me, point guards 396 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,360 Speaker 1: they shoot and score a basketball right as. You see 397 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: what Chris Paul has done for the Phoenix Suns right now, 398 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 1: you can't go and be six and two and sweet 399 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 1: teams and speak a great dember team was EDG. I 400 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: had the MDP on there and Chris Paul comes back 401 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: and have thirty seven, twenty five, twenty eight and whatever 402 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: in sixteen, seventeen, eighteen and six. That's what he does 403 00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: for a basketball team. And yes, I probably have a 404 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: better offensive game, but I think his offensive game is 405 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 1: coming right now, It's very coming. As you get older, 406 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 1: you get better at offensive mind it. You get better 407 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 1: because you started doing things that you say, Okay, I 408 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 1: can't really do this no more. Let me start getting 409 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: that fadaway jump shot, let me get this jump shot. 410 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: Let me pick my times when I need to do it. 411 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 1: And Chris Paul is doing that. As soon as I 412 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: played him the first time, and Byron Scott was his 413 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 1: school and I went at him and he barked back 414 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: at me. When I went on, Byron Scott told me 415 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 1: to come here, then come in and GP. I'm like, 416 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: what's up here? Dog? You ain't gonna be able to 417 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: get him? He got he got too much dog at him, 418 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: and I said good. And when he kept coming back 419 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 1: at me and I went after the game and Byron 420 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: Scott said, I told you, and I tell you, I said, yeah, 421 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: he gonna be a good he gonna be good. And 422 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 1: that's when I started saying, Chris Paul is gonna be 423 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: a great basketball player. When he started doing that type 424 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 1: of situation, when he didn't back down to all Star 425 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: had been in the league seventy years to a rookie 426 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: and he did what he did and he's doing it 427 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: now as he gets older. So I yes, I think 428 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: I'm a better scorer than Cepe was. But he's all around. 429 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: He's just like he plays deep miss, he gives in 430 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: the pass lay, he give you everything. Siss does all 431 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:28,360 Speaker 1: this stuff he's supposed to do. Let's bring in Doug 432 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 1: Gottlieb because you're a huge college football fan. Went to 433 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 1: Oklahoma State. You know Oklahoma very well. You know college football, 434 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: but as well as any guy that played basketball that 435 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: I know. And my takeaway was I had Chad Milman 436 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: and on and my takeaway was, stop bitching. We've all 437 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 1: wanted this thing. It's not going to be perfect. College 438 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 1: sports are dynastic. They're not. They're not built to be fair. 439 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 1: The best teams get the better recruiting classes, and they 440 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,640 Speaker 1: dominate as long as you can. Like Mark Field, Gonzaga 441 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: is gonna wint twenty nine games to thirty three games 442 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: for the next ten years. Nobody in that nobody in 443 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: his conference is going to catch him. Now, the one 444 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: thing about the tournament. I'm a big SEC fan, I 445 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: think you are, but there is one thing where the 446 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 1: SEC has gotten a bit of a break and a 447 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: pass by the media, is that all of us know 448 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 1: that younger athletes, especially younger athletes We've seen this in 449 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: the NBA playoffs, can struggle in harsh road environments and 450 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,160 Speaker 1: because of the weather in January, most Bowl games are 451 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 1: closer to the South, So a lot of times Southern 452 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: teams play in these kind of the proximity to their 453 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: campus and they have larger right LSU and the Sugar Bowl, etc. Right. 454 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: I do think if you put you took an LSU 455 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: a few years ago up to Lambo to play Wisconsin, 456 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: the game was super competitive. You put not that, you 457 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: put Notre Dame at home against Georgia. It goes either way. 458 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 1: The only thing I'm worried about the whole playoff is 459 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 1: where do you put the games? I do. That's why 460 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. You know that is where a middle of it. 461 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: That's where you know because you can't do cold weather 462 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: doug you can't do outdoor stadium, so it has to 463 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 1: be like an RCA dome. That's the only The only 464 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: concern I have about the twelve team playoff is is 465 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:22,919 Speaker 1: don't make these all outdoor warm weather games. Well, okay, 466 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 1: there's a I have some issues with it. First, I'm 467 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:31,199 Speaker 1: big on the love of unintended consequences. Okay, so what 468 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: are the unintended consequence sentence by expanding the playoffs now? 469 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: And we've already seen this with players opting out of 470 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: bowl games. Now the bowl games are dead dead, there's 471 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: zero reason. And I've been a guy who said, like, hey, 472 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,199 Speaker 1: if you can put another game on tape and have 473 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: fun with your buddies, go do it. But I'm telling 474 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: you now, now they're dead. You're playing for nothing. The 475 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: second part is, and this is it goes in long 476 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: lines of when you expand the NCAA term to sixty eight, 477 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: if you don't get in, probably getting fired, Like there's 478 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: gonna be more more coaching firings from teams with good seasons. 479 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: But just this, like, hey, three teams in the SEC 480 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,239 Speaker 1: are four teams from the SEC got in and you 481 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 1: didn't get a staff like you're gone. I think I 482 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: think it's a mistake that by overexpanding. I think we're 483 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: way overthinking this thing. Like look, if college football, and 484 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: I believe it, they want the regular season to matter, Okay, 485 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: make your conference champion matter matter. Have them all. I 486 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: would rather have them all play each other in these 487 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: big leagues than have it this way. But now it's like, 488 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: all right, you win the SEC championship. Congrats, Now you 489 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: got to go out and play a couple more games. 490 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: Like what was wrong with the what was wrong with 491 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: the four teams? The best team almost always won anyway, right, Like, 492 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: I don't understand why they don't. There's been some talk 493 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: of doing this where you put your team kind of 494 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: into the hopper if you want to qualify for the playoff, 495 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 1: and every year they pull out a non conference game 496 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: like that. I would be super into, you know, and 497 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: you make it equitable for all the different rights holders. 498 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: But college football was in need of this. You and 499 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: I have discussed this a bunch offline. I know you 500 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: talked about in your show, which is like you can't 501 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: keep throwing out there Alabama and Clemson and hope that 502 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: the rest of the country cares about it. They just don't. 503 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: They just don't. People care about their schools and about 504 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: their region, and when everything is the Southeast, like you're 505 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: going to kill the sport. So I do think this 506 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: brings hope to the West Coast. I do think it 507 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: brings hope more hope to the Midwest. I do think 508 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: it brings more hope to Texas if they can get 509 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: it up and running. By the way, this Aaron Rodgers situation, 510 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: we won't talk about it too much, but you know 511 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: you've had your connections with Aaron through the years. How 512 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: about Mark Murphy coming out and saying, you know, he's 513 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: a complicated fellow, which, by the way, doesn't really mean 514 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: anything except for Aaron Rodgers, who would take it personally. 515 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: So when Murphy said it over the last two days 516 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: he said, you know, Aaron's a complicated fellow. I thought, Mark, 517 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: a week ago, Mark, you said we probably shouldn't take 518 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: it public. Aaron's probably the prickliest player in the league. 519 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: Why in the f would you say that publicly about 520 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. It was the first time for me the 521 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: pendulum swung a little toward more toward Aaron. It was 522 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: like Jesus, these people in Green Bay just do not 523 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: get it. They really there. I mean, Mark Murphy's a 524 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: Harvard guy. But when I saw that comment, I thought, 525 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: what are you doing. There's just certain people you have 526 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 1: to handle differently. You just don't do that with You 527 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: don't do that with Aaron. It's just not gonna work. 528 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: It's gonna piss him off. First, Let's start with the 529 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: Harvard guy, right, you know what they call the guy 530 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: who graduates last in medical school doctor right, Right, So 531 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: there's lots of not everybody is a magnet cum laude 532 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: from Harvard. That said, The crazy part is he's not wrong. 533 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: Aaron is right really complicated, you know, as you know, 534 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: and you and I have discussed, like we I consider 535 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: him a friend. We haven't talked in a long time. 536 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: We didn't have a falling out, there was nothing. He 537 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: just that's just kind of how his life goes. He's 538 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: a complicated fellow, you know, Whereas most of the rest 539 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: of the world would go like, okay, so the starting 540 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: quarterback for a team that was rebuilt and you won 541 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: the MVP, and you had a home game for the 542 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: NFC CHAMISIP game, and they they kind of tinker with 543 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: some things. They fixed your offensive line. They think they 544 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: resigned your start running back. What what what are we 545 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: What are we met about a guy who hasn't to 546 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: play two years in college, who's a project quarterback? What 547 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 1: are we mad about? So he's a complicated deep thinker, 548 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 1: and I look, I agree with you. Why are you 549 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: saying why what was the win in that comment, especially 550 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: after you just chastise everybody else for making public comments 551 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: like what are you doing? Like do you really want 552 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: to piss Aaron Rodgers off? Or do you wanted to 553 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 1: play quarterback? Because as it stands now, he's got to 554 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 1: play quarterback. He's not sitting the whole year. He's not 555 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: a dope. He's trying to make a point, and it's 556 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 1: kind of you're kind of making the point for him 557 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: because his point is more. This is just egos running muck, right. 558 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: This is I think what Aaron thinks is Brian Gunnan 559 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: cunts and this is probably is true. He thinks he 560 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: found a gem in Jordan, and if it's close, he's 561 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: gonna push him out because Jordan's his guy. And then 562 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: when everybody wants credit, right, I want credit, Mark Murphy 563 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: is it's about ego. I have to be heard. You 564 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: have to hear I have this funny thing to say 565 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 1: about Aaron Rodgers. I have to let you in. I 566 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 1: have to make you understand, like, no, man, it doesn't 567 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 1: even matter if you told us something that we already know. 568 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: And it proves to be true that Aaron Rodgers is 569 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 1: a complicated guy by saying anything, what is the win there? Congratulations, 570 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 1: you proved Aaron's point that the front office is about 571 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 1: the front office and he believes the Packers are about everybody. 572 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 1: And you're dividing just as much as his comments have divided. 573 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: I agree with you. That's an absolute win for Aaron 574 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: Rodgers when he's been winning only in social media and 575 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: the reality's been taken l's all offseason. Yeah, no, it's 576 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: you could have said it's a complicated situation. But once 577 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: you said Aaron's a complicated fella, Okay, now it's personal. 578 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: Now you're calling out your star quarterback. Yeah. He also 579 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 1: and I don't like this is a real Have you 580 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 1: ever heard somebody tell you you're really smart and it 581 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 1: be almost condescending and negative. I've had that, like oh, 582 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: you're just you know. But I do think that they 583 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,320 Speaker 1: could have said, like, look, Aaron's really right, he's brilliant, 584 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: He's he's a very deep thinker, and you know, like, 585 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 1: let's not overthink this thing. He's our quarterback. We love him, 586 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 1: and we apparently haven't made it clear enough how we 587 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: feel about it that you can say. But yes, when 588 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 1: you say complicated fella, right, Like, if I say you 589 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 1: and your wife have a complicated relationship, that's not a complict, right, 590 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 1: How is that deal to launch the volume? Oh, I 591 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 1: was complicated? Complicated cannot, by my estimation in twenty twenty one, 592 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:48,320 Speaker 1: even if it's accurate, be translated into a positive statement. 593 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: And so why are you saying that? But again to 594 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,359 Speaker 1: try and win, and you're lost by trying to win. Well, 595 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 1: you know, there's the you know, I grew up in 596 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,919 Speaker 1: the country, small town, and and there's always this little 597 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: bit of a low self esteem in the small town, 598 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: and some people resent the big city. And there's that 599 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: saying that we all heard when we were young. You 600 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: think you're better than me, that's what That's what small 601 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 1: town guy Offen says to bigger city. You think you're better. 602 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: You've gone Hollywood, yeah, right, yeah, Hollywood. And I think 603 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: with Aaron, there is that sense in small town Wisconsin 604 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: he thinks he's better than us, and that that's what 605 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,280 Speaker 1: kids say when they're high schoolers or you know, twelve 606 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 1: years old, that guy thinks he's better than us. I do, 607 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: And Aaron doesn't help by putting Hollywood stuff all over 608 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 1: social media. But I do think there is this, you know, 609 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 1: the average marriage last seven or eight years. I mean, 610 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: I think you put up with certain things if somebody's 611 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 1: beautiful or somebody's talented. But there's that seven eight year 612 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 1: mark in relationships, just all of them, where you get 613 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 1: tired of people's shit, right, And I think I think 614 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,360 Speaker 1: Aaron and Green Bay was bound to be problematic, and 615 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,840 Speaker 1: I just think they've reached that line where they're tired 616 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: of each other shit and it's okay. By the way, 617 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 1: it doesn't mean you don't have two great people, but 618 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 1: I mean, Doug, it was never a natural fit. Aaron's 619 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 1: sort of a California cool guy. They were cheese hats. 620 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's it's like there are I mean, 621 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 1: like Eli and New York don't feel perfect, but it 622 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 1: worked for some reason. Eli and New York, the country kid, 623 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: the Southern kit. It worked far Ven Green Bay. To me, 624 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:37,479 Speaker 1: it worked. I've never felt Erin's Green Bay. I feel 625 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 1: like Aaron should be the quarterback for the Rams that 626 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 1: wraps it up for the week before heading into another 627 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,720 Speaker 1: big week. Here at the Volume. Make sure to subscribe 628 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 1: and follow us at the Volume Sports on Twitter and Instagram. 629 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:57,360 Speaker 1: The U