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Speaker 1: Owen's podcast. It's called Good Company with Jake Owen. He

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Speaker 1: guys have Whiskey Riff Raff. There basically a big country

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Speaker 1: So all that being said, like for a new podcasts,

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Speaker 1: So Dave Heywood, here we go. Thanks for listening to

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Speaker 1: Dave Heywood. From Lady annabelle Um, You're like the unicorn man,

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Speaker 1: like the magical unicorn. I've never had a one on

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Speaker 1: This is my first podcast ever. Oh is it? Yeah? Oh,

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00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,560
Speaker 1: were like, you know what, we're riding her coattails all

426
00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,119
Speaker 1: the way to the bank and to the We were like,

427
00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,639
Speaker 1: she's gonna make it, man, She's huge. Her voice was insane,

428
00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,280
Speaker 1: and so we were trying to write songs for her.

429
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Speaker 1: And the first song we wrote was called All We'd

430
00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,919
Speaker 1: Ever Need and it was off Hillary singing the lead vocal,

431
00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,720
Speaker 1: and we were writing it, and she was like, God,

432
00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:34,639
Speaker 1: I just think Charles, you should sing. You've got a

433
00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,320
Speaker 1: great voice. I think you should sing lead on the

434
00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,679
Speaker 1: second verse and kind of enter is like the second

435
00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:44,480
Speaker 1: you know, the male partner, uh, from a story writing perspective,

436
00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,840
Speaker 1: And so once we had the both vocals in there,

437
00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:52,400
Speaker 1: it was like, well, this feels really cool and different. Um,

438
00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,679
Speaker 1: but we're like we you can't have two vocalists. You

439
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,800
Speaker 1: can't have to vocalists in the band, so it's not

440
00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:59,960
Speaker 1: gonna work. But this is really interesting. Maybe we'll pitch

441
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,360
Speaker 1: Garth and Tricia or Sham and Faith or somebody doing

442
00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,120
Speaker 1: a duets record. But sure enough we started writing more

443
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,360
Speaker 1: duets and then more kind of Hillary leads, Charles lead,

444
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 1: and of course a lot of three part harmony all

445
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 1: over the place. So it was very again organic, and

446
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,640
Speaker 1: the way it all evolved and happened naturally, I mean

447
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 1: early on radio, I mean they told us to our face,

448
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 1: They're like, you know, we like you guys, but it's

449
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 1: not gonna work. You can't have two singers. You can't

450
00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 1: have two lead singers. Nobody. Everyone's gonna get confused. And

451
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,600
Speaker 1: we would reference you know, Fleetwood, Mac and the Eagles.

452
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,440
Speaker 1: I mean all these bands that had multiple people singing

453
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:40,119
Speaker 1: leading all of them. Yeah, I mean Timothy B. Schmidt

454
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,200
Speaker 1: is my favorite Eagles member. Uh just with his voice,

455
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,399
Speaker 1: you know, but uh yeah, I mean it's you know,

456
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 1: people said like, man, I don't think it's gonna work,

457
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,960
Speaker 1: and you know, we were like we we stuck to

458
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,680
Speaker 1: our guns. It felt organic, and it felt that's who

459
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,520
Speaker 1: we were. It's crazy to the organic nous of just

460
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 1: you and Charles actually knowing each other for that long,

461
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:04,359
Speaker 1: much less having working relationship with friendship. Because you brought

462
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,040
Speaker 1: up the fact that, you know, in the middle school,

463
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:08,880
Speaker 1: to have two people that are that talented though even

464
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,880
Speaker 1: in a small town, yeah, just as weird. It's almost

465
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,639
Speaker 1: the outlier effect. You had two people that were the

466
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:20,199
Speaker 1: same thing, whose personalities happened to work compatible, incompatible. What

467
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,359
Speaker 1: then you came to that is the odds of that

468
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 1: happening are crazy, it is. I mean, and and Charles

469
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 1: was like the only person. That's funny. You bring that up,

470
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,160
Speaker 1: You bring up good points. I mean, I just remember

471
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 1: being in Augusta thinking I hear music so different. I

472
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 1: just when I hear the radio and I hear songs,

473
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,679
Speaker 1: I hear production. I can't even articulate what goes on

474
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,160
Speaker 1: in my head. There's a bazillion things for every track

475
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 1: I hear. And I was like, I just don't No

476
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 1: one else understands that. But then when I met Charles

477
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,639
Speaker 1: and we started to kind of do some writing and

478
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 1: played in bands and did I was like, he gets it, man,

479
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 1: Like I think he here and we when when we

480
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,119
Speaker 1: started writing together in college at University of Georgia, I

481
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,959
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, we're on the same wavelength and and

482
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 1: it is rare. I mean, to both come out of

483
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 1: the same town. Um, it's a weird The creative brain

484
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 1: is just a it's a weird thing to explain, you know.

485
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,679
Speaker 1: I know people are always like, how do you write songs?

486
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 1: How do you come up with ideas? How do you

487
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 1: do stuff? And it's it's hard thinking like asking how

488
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 1: do you run fast? Which I can't do right? Well,

489
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 1: I don't know if I actually run, but it's for me,

490
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,640
Speaker 1: you know, how do you think quick? Yeah? Like I've

491
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:31,880
Speaker 1: got his gifted me with a talent, and I've learned

492
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 1: how to take this talent and put it into the

493
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 1: tunnel and drill it down. But I think we all

494
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:43,159
Speaker 1: have something that we're right naturally good at. Yeah, and

495
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 1: then that's the beauty of a talent. Again, like my

496
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,199
Speaker 1: dad told me, I didn't get what a talent was.

497
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 1: I didn't see it because it came easy to me.

498
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 1: I I figured a talent was like something you really

499
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,639
Speaker 1: had to like. Hope this doesn't sound backwards, but you know,

500
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 1: like something you had to work really hard. Like I

501
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 1: wanted to play sports. I just was not good at sports,

502
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 1: any of them really. Uh, And I wanted so bad

503
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: to be talented at sports, but I just wasn't. But

504
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 1: music was just easy. I was like, well, that's easy.

505
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 1: I know exactly what a song come on the radio.

506
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: I can mostly tell you what key gets in. You

507
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 1: can hear the key. Yeah, pretty much. That came off more.

508
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: That sounded really pretentious as I said it, But knowing

509
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 1: guitar so well, I just know what chords are playing.

510
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 1: The thing about podcast, most listeners are potentious. We're all good,

511
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: We're all the same potentious room together. Anyone's listening to

512
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 1: this as elite. If they made it the thirty minutes

513
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 1: in already, then this is there even more elite. So

514
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,120
Speaker 1: you say you and jokingly said that you and Charles,

515
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 1: We're gonna write Hillary's coattails and I don't use the

516
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: same term. But when you and Charles came to town,

517
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 1: did you just want to write for Charles and play

518
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: for Charles? I did so. When we got to town,

519
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: we were doing pop music. Um, you moved to Nashville

520
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: to pop music. I moved to Nashville to write music.

521
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 1: This is I love it going back. Man. We moved

522
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 1: to Nashville because to Josh Kelly. So Charles has Charles

523
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 1: has an older brother, Josh Kelly, who had a big

524
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 1: pop song called Amazing Um which was huge in two

525
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: thousand three, I think. And so he bought a house

526
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 1: in Cool Springs and said, dude, you guys man, he's

527
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: so nice. He's so kind. He said, y'all kind of

528
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 1: Nashville man, you guys have the talent like come and

529
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 1: just try to write music. So me and Charles moved

530
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: into his house and Cool Springs together under the goal

531
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: of just writing songs. We wanted to be songwriters. Once

532
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: we got there, Charles and I started to write songs

533
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 1: together a lot and made a CD under his name

534
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 1: to CDs under his name at UM at the home

535
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: studio there and so yeah, I mean we were doing

536
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 1: pop stuff under Charles name, and we travel all around

537
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: and play coffee shops and really small, really small places.

538
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: In your class of moving to Nashville, because it seems

539
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 1: everybody has a class. They all moved at the same time,

540
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 1: and they were My ours was around Luke Um, I remember,

541
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: because we were from Georgia. So I remember a bunch

542
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: of my friends from Georgia Southern you know, we were

543
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 1: going to move to Nashville, and they're like, dude, there's

544
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: this country guy. You know, Luke Brian. Keep an out

545
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: for him. He got a record deal about a year

546
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 1: before Um we did, I believe, And I remember he

547
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 1: was in that development deal and record deal around the

548
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: same time. So kind of the Luke Brian era. A

549
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: couple of those people, I mean Miranda was before us, um,

550
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,360
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean Luke was would be probably our closest, like,

551
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: both at the same record label, both from Georgia, new

552
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: mutual friends and stuff moved to Nashville. You and Charles

553
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: and one and I get to this in a minute,

554
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: and you talk about my Space and how it was

555
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: such a big part, but you don't even have a

556
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: Twitter page like social media was such a big part

557
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: of you guys a story, yet you don't have a

558
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: Twitter page and just got on Instagram. Personally, yes, Dave Heywood, personally,

559
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: I know you didn't. But again, there's a little bit

560
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 1: of beauty to the irony of social media being is

561
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 1: such a big part of the story of your life

562
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 1: and career and now you just aren't on it. Yeah.

563
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: I can talk about this for hours. You could do

564
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: a whole another podcast on social media. For me, I

565
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: know computer programming all up really well. That was my

566
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: major in college was um Information Systems Technology. That sounds

567
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 1: really nerdy for all the listeners out there, but I

568
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: was an m I s TA major at U g

569
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: A and so study computer programming. So I know backwards

570
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 1: and forwards Facebook when it came out, and social media

571
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 1: and what it does and how it operates, and I

572
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 1: love For a time, I loved being on it, and

573
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: our band started doing so much on my Space and

574
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 1: we did these webisodes once a week. UM. I feel

575
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: like we were on the first people to really have

576
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: a camera out a lot and capture a lot of

577
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: webisodes early on in country music, UM, and so that

578
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: was our main thing. But for me now I just

579
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: kind of kind of pulled back. I mean, just there's

580
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 1: kind of this thing that happens with me where my

581
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: personality type um aniagram nine. For all the Instagram listeners

582
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: out there, my personality type just doesn't do well with

583
00:27:55,359 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: tons and tons of exposure and critique with my personal stuff,

584
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: you know. So for me, UM, just to be completely

585
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: honest with you, there's just boundaries I have. UM They're

586
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 1: healthy boundaries that I've worked through that are best for me. UM.

587
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: I'll share once every few weeks what I'm kind of

588
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 1: doing with my family. But for me, I have to

589
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: kind of pull back and I have to have those

590
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: boundaries about things that are private between you know, stuff

591
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: with our kids and stuff with my wife. I don't know,

592
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: I there's a beauty and and letting people walk through

593
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: a journey with you. I really think there's a beauty

594
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: in that. UM. But for me, there's parts of personal

595
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: life that I just have some boundaries with. Personally, I

596
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: don't document every day what I do. UM, I just

597
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: kind of enjoy I feel pressure. My personality type feels

598
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: the pressure to perform. UM If I have to know

599
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: that every single day, I've got an instant story Instagram, Twitter, Facebook,

600
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: and know what I'm doing is really really awesome every day.

601
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: My personality type doesn't do well with that kind of

602
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: performance and pressure on a day to day basis, So

603
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: for me, I do better kind of pulling back and

604
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: then popping in with like hey check this out, we

605
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: had a baby, or you know, hey, we're doing this

606
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: in the studio. But for me, I just kind of

607
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: enjoy Um, I enjoy that boundary. Is that okay to say?

608
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: I think any boundary that you set up front is

609
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: a fair boundary. I think where people get in trouble

610
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: is if they're posting lots of things, and we'll talk

611
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: about social media specifically, they post and they put and

612
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden they demand, no, this is

613
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: my personal life. Yeah, it's you have to condition people

614
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: to be conditioned, and so if you're set in the boundary,

615
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: you can live within it. It's really talking about and

616
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: we won't see who we're talking about. Somebody in the

617
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: media earlier, and we My point about them was they're

618
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: always consistent. I enjoy that, regardless of if I agree

619
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: with them or not. I just enjoy consistency in humans

620
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: in media. I try to give it sometimes I'm consistently inconsistent,

621
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: and that's even a sort of consistent to see right

622
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: right right where. That took me a second. So with

623
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: social media, that the answer for me is if that's

624
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: your rule, don't we all play by it. Now. If

625
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: it's your rule, but you change it up and then

626
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: you demand other people follow your then it gets a

627
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: little squishy, right. I think that's completely fair. I just

628
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: saw the irony and my Space was a big part

629
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: of Lady and a Bellum. I can't find you on Twitter.

630
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: I can't go at Dave Heywood have hashtag Dave Heywood.

631
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: Just it's like at Charles Kelly l A and then

632
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: hashtag Dave Heywood because he doesn't exist. I'm in the

633
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: minority here. I understand that. Me uh me not being

634
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: on on all social media. I'm in the minority. I

635
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: get that. And I know I probably sound really old

636
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: school and people are going to roll their eyes at it.

637
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Speaker 1: But for me, again, my personality type just has to

638
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Speaker 1: have time for me to retreat, for me to process

639
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: things and to live my best life. I have to

640
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: pull back and when I go home, I have to

641
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: not share it. That um, and I'll give you just

642
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: a completly candid, completely candid and personal experience and story

643
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: about that end of last year. I had a little

644
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: season of anxiety in my life. Uh, some panic attacks.

645
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: Everything kind of came crashing down for a little bit.

646
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: And I said a million times for myself, if I

647
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: had the pressure every day that I would have had

648
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: to post on social media during that time, it would

649
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: have broken me down even more. Um, it was just

650
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: a season of a lot of things. And again I

651
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: have boundaries with what I even share, but I want

652
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: people to know that it's okay to go through those

653
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: things for me. I just I didn't have I would

654
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: have been so wrecked if I was going through all

655
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: this stuff personally and I had to post today was awesome,

656
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: Today was sick. You know. I just had the best

657
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: lit breakfast with my bros. Like I mean, I just

658
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I had a little rough patch of some

659
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: personal things. So I don't know. It's for me again,

660
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: it's my really, it's my um personality type that does

661
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: the best when I can have moments to retreat, process,

662
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: pull back and have time for me. I just have

663
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: to have are about time for me that's not shared.

664
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: If that's okay that anxiety. I was on some crazy

665
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: anxiety medicine for a long time. I've never really seen

666
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: and I never thought it was until I actually went

667
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: through it, and it would almost it felt like egg

668
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: coming over me that I couldn't get out of, or

669
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: like what you know, what the mind does the hands. Yeah,

670
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: it felt like that was around me and I couldn't

671
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: control it. And then I got into medicine. I couldn't

672
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: get off the whole thing. Yeah, absolutely, And it's you know,

673
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: I never, I never fully understood mental health. And I'll

674
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: be completely honest, and I actually I feel like I

675
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: can empathize now because I was trapped in in some

676
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: deep anxiety and panic attacks for about three months, and man,

677
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: it sucks. It completely sucks. You feel alone, you feel fear,

678
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,719
Speaker 1: nobody can understand. You feel like nobody understands. That's how

679
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: I felt. Yeah, people get butterflies and I get better.

680
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: But again, it's if you take a flamethrower of butterflies

681
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: and shoot them, ripe people a hole that into your body.

682
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: That's really what it feels like and you Yeah, and

683
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: I still have anxiety. I go to therapist all time.

684
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: I've been way too much money there you should. Man.

685
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: Counseling is so it's life changing. It's completely that changing

686
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: for me. It lets me look at me. Yeah, that's

687
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: the whole mirror I've ever had. It's like somebody gives you,

688
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: they hold a mirror and say, well, here's here's what

689
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: you're saying. Here's where awareness is. Self awareness it is

690
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: And that's my struggle is looking at myself in a

691
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: natural way. Right, And it's it's hard and you don't

692
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: want to do it sometimes. Yeah, it's I'm telling you

693
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: it's it's so worth it. It's been a life changer

694
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: for me. I mean I even spent some time at

695
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: this place called on Site, which is a spiritual girl's place.

696
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: You brought that up, listen, you went, okay, let me

697
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: tell you what happened. Because she's not gonnare I mentioned this.

698
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: So she just went two different people. Yeah, yes, before

699
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: and after and I know Miles the CEO. So I

700
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: did I did TED Oh now we're going so because

701
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: I got so many questions and uh so I did

702
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: a TED talk and I did a TED talk on

703
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: successful people and how losing and failure is pivotal and

704
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: success and we and that's counterintuitive to what we see

705
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 1: that we think somebody just goes, hey, I'm good at something,

706
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: that they just win life, and that's really not what happens.

707
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: Even the best people struggle, and the struggles what makes

708
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: them and separates them from the good. So I do

709
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: this Ted talk and Miles, who runs on site, I

710
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: meet him for the first time. He does it right

711
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: right before me or after me, and I say, hey,

712
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: because I'm big into therapy. Make jokes, but I'm big

713
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: into it. It's changed my life. So I say, you know,

714
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: I have this house and it's all right outside of Nashville.

715
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:46,919
Speaker 1: Shoul come check it out. I don't really think anything

716
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: about it. I'm in a charity event with my co

717
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: host Amy. I see him again and I bring it

718
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: up to him and say, may I want to come

719
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 1: out there. I just need to get away. Did you

720
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: check your phone? N't use it? That's crazy to me,

721
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: but which was fine because I don't have social media.

722
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: There's nothing for me. I guess for me, it's just

723
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: what if something happens to my dog? Yeah? What if

724
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: something and I don't have kids or a wife. There's

725
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: emergency protocol, they'll they'll there is Yeah, yeah, that's part

726
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: of it scares me so much. Any want to ask.

727
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: You could go to a specific place and say like, hey,

728
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: I've got to check on and they'll be like, okay,

729
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: so fine. They just don't want you to be what

730
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 1: we all do. You walk right out of counseling, you

731
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 1: hot back on your email and your text and everything.

732
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: That's what I would do. I would live. They have TV's,

733
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: um they don't. I don't know if I can. I

734
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: sleep with a TV on it. I sleep with the

735
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: TV on at night. I grew up. I never had

736
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: a bedroom, so I slep on the couch in the

737
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: living room. The TV stayed on because I lived in

738
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: the living room. I sleep with the TV on or

739
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: I get so anxious because since nine the TV has

740
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: been on when I sleep. I can't go somewhere and

741
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: sleep without a TV. Well, maybe you could do like

742
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: a white noise mission. I did. Stuff doesn't work. I

743
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: need to have King of Queens of the Honeymooners. Yeah,

744
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: it's got to be on in the background. I had

745
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: just need like the noise, like Seinfeld happening whatever it is.

746
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: This is how messed up out of my head. I

747
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: have to have already seen the episode because if I haven't.

748
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: I want to know what's going on, right, and I

749
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: like learning and if it's something that I think because

750
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: that Wikipedia things, just watching and I just Wikipedia things

751
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: and learned about them as a show happens. Background actors,

752
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: we're watching The Crown right now, and that's what we're

753
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: doing too. It's like, first, that's all I did the

754
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: first three episodes until I trusted it and then I

755
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: just went with it. But I fact checked every part

756
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: of The Crown. Fantastic, right, It's great, it's great. Do

757
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: you feel like you're learning because I did? I do.

758
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: I feel like I haven't learned in a long time

759
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 1: about history and gave zero craft about the royal family.

760
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: I'm totally invested in. I know, we're like, well, who's

761
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 1: going to be the next this? And who's the next

762
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 1: that you know going forward? And were you amazed that

763
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 1: Queen Elizabeth was never supposed to be the queen like

764
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 1: that blow wasn't even in a line for it and

765
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: her we're only like four episodes in, so don't well,

766
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: but that's the yeah, but I know that that that's

767
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: part of history. Yes, no, no, and that's in the

768
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: first four that's yeah. First thing her uncle was the

769
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: freaking king. He quit because he was dating a card

770
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 1: ashually and basically, Ah, it's mine wherever Dave Heywood lady

771
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,479
Speaker 1: in Belle, I'm talking about music. Let me talk about

772
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: this for a second. I'll talk to you about my

773
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,959
Speaker 1: sleep and number bed. Yes, it's probably ten feet away

774
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 1: from me, probably thirty ft away from me. And so

775
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: maybe you've considered getting new bed. You didn't know. Maybe

776
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: you thought, man, I hear about the sleep number, and

777
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: I hear about the sleep number setting, but is it

778
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: for real. I can just tell you my experience and

779
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: that I've had trouble sleeping and I still do have

780
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: trouble sleeping at times, not because of the bed. You know,

781
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: my bed. My sleep number has actually improved my quality

782
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: asleep because I went into the store and what happens

783
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: is they say, hey, lay on the bed, and you're

784
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: lay in the bed. There's a computer screen and it

785
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: measures your back, your neck. It says, okay, what if

786
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: we fix this, this this, and then they give you

787
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: a sleep number you're setting. Mine's thirty. My sleep i

788
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 1: Q score last night was in the nineties. Their newest

789
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: beds are so smart they sense your moves and automatically

790
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: adjust like this is the real life bed stuff here

791
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: that he's in technology to make it sleep better. They

792
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: cost about the Samish traditional mattresses. They last twice as

793
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: long nine at a ten hours. Recommend going during the

794
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 1: ultimate sleep number of it and say on an ultimate

795
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: limited edition bed plus Queen mattress Start at sleep Number

796
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: now has our five stores nationwide. Find the one yearest

797
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 1: you sleep number dot com slash bones. Okay, so we

798
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: can we can reset. This is reset and go go

799
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: back to our our music. Have a drink water, I

800
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: get a little excited about think sometimes and away we go.

801
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 1: You guys just went to New York for the Grammys.

802
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 1: I guess you and Charles did. Hillary just had the babies,

803
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: so she didn't go. Was that timing always? Oh? This

804
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: made cheat well. To be honest, I'll have to walk

805
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: you through it because it was, um just crazy the

806
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: way had happened. I mean, we were on the red carpet,

807
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: me and Charles went up to New York with our

808
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 1: wives to the Grammys and we have a four week

809
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: old little girl at home, and so we had to

810
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: leave her for the day, which we did. Okay, but really, Mr,

811
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: but um, we got up there, we're on the red carpet,

812
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: we're doing interviews and stuff, and we were kind of

813
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: joking because it's been kind of a the timeline of

814
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: when she's supposed to have When you have twins, you

815
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,720
Speaker 1: having a little early. Um, that's just what happens with twins,

816
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: because there's twice the fun in there. So you have

817
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: twins early, then what your schedule due date is? Um

818
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: for space reasons. Uh So, anyways, we knew it was

819
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: gonna be sometime soon. But we literally we get off

820
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: the red carpet or we get done with the show

821
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: and we go have dinner and we're just group texting.

822
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: We group text met Charles and Hillary. We like group

823
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: text all the time, just like oh my gosh, you know,

824
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: how are you feeling? What's going on? Just silly stuff,

825
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: animated jifts, the whole nine yards, just fun group text.

826
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: And we were texting at ten thirty or eleven, and

827
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: then we all went to bed at midnight or something

828
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: and I woke up at six to go to the

829
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 1: airport and had like ten miss texts. You know, when

830
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: you wake up and you have like all these mis texts,

831
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: You're like, oh god, what's going on. Sure enough, She's like,

832
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: we went to the hospital, blah blah blah, we had

833
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: the babies. I'm like, what we were texting at ten

834
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: o'clock last night and everything. She I thought she was

835
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 1: like joking about, like, you guys are making me laugh

836
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: with this cardboard cutout that we brought to the grand

837
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: us of Hillary. Y'all are making me have intractions and laugh.

838
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: And I thought I thought she was joking. I was like,

839
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: are you serious? You must have been serious about contractions.

840
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: But sure enough, so literally the night of the Grannies

841
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: she had the twin girls and so, um, I haven't

842
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: met him yet. Uh, they've just a few days ago,

843
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: and so it's it's awesome. We've been getting some beautiful

844
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 1: photos from her in texts and stuff. So um, but

845
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: I'm throwed for him. That's awesome. How what was the

846
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: dynamic with because hillary husband who I know? So I'm

847
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: talking about people like I don't know them, but who

848
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: I know, Like her husband's a drummer. How was that

849
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: whole thing with the band? And there's now there's another

850
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 1: influence that's kind of on the inside of the band

851
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: without actually being the band, Like that dynamic also has

852
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,720
Speaker 1: to change things up a bit right of having her husband.

853
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: And he's again he's on the inside because he's with Hillary,

854
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: but he's not really part of the band. No one

855
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 1: else could do it with him. He's a he is

856
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: such a he's such a team player and such a

857
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: great I mean, he's a badass drummer. Let me just

858
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: go ahead and leave with that. Uh, lead with that.

859
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: He is in our band because he is one of

860
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: the best drummers there is. He really is from a

861
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 1: technical standpoint, his power, his intuitiveness for where we go

862
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: on a live show. Um, again, it works great. I

863
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 1: mean really, it's not like a there's never been any

864
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: kind of like a dissension of like, um, you know,

865
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: I handle a lot of the band stuff, UM, and

866
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: so I reach out to him all the time independently

867
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: of like, hey, we gotta go do this rehearsal or

868
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: um our our keyboard players technically our band leader. But UM,

869
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: I kind of enjoy doing all that stuff and organizing that. UM.

870
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: I like I enjoy working with like the TV shows,

871
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: like when we performed on the A c M S

872
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: last year. UM, I really enjoyed like working with Rack

873
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: and working with the producers and U and LV and

874
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: the horn section and thanks. That was that was a

875
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: really cool looking man, thank you, And it kind of

876
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: everybody's eyes got real big. Yeah, it's very loud. God,

877
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: you should heard it backstage in the locker room. It's

878
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: like annoyingly loud. But it was a great moment. But

879
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: I love doing that stuff that. But I mean, Chris

880
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: has been such a amazing piece to our whole lady

881
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: A world. It really, I mean, it all just works.

882
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be I'm not trying to like

883
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 1: just always blow smoke. And I think we've said that

884
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: plenty of times. I mean it genuinely works between all

885
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: of us, really really well. So you can play guitar,

886
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: you play mandelin, I don't think things I've seen you

887
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: play on piano and guitar. I'd Sara my man main

888
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: two that you still play? Are you do you practice?

889
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 1: Do you still have to practice or is it mostly

890
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: up there? Um? I don't practice. I mean I kind

891
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: of play for fun. But I don't you ever just

892
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: grab it at home and play oh God all the time.

893
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: So you still enjoy oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I

894
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,919
Speaker 1: have a studio room upstairs. Um, much like this room

895
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: just a great kind of home studio room with a

896
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 1: full pro tools rig and then about twenty guitars and stuff.

897
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: So um bazooki, which is like a bigger mandolin, Irish mandelin,

898
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: and um, I can keep it decent. Yeah, I can

899
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: keep beat decent. I mean a lot of the stuff

900
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: you do now is programmed, so you like use a

901
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: little keyboard pad just to like get a kick and

902
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: snare and the wake up a mill of the the night

903
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: and go have an idea. You you have to go

904
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: get it out of your head. Yeah, I have to

905
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: go put it down. Um. And a lot of minor

906
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: musical you know. Um, I normally start musically, so for me,

907
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: it's a lot of like don't you know here a

908
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,399
Speaker 1: chord progression or um here a kind of groove or

909
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, I need you now open you know,

910
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: don't don't don't what done? What? What did that come from?

911
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 1: My Grosjas came up with that piano part. I have

912
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: to give him a hundred percent of the credit. Um.

913
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 1: But we wrote that with Josh kere Um early in

914
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: our career and it kind of went in the back

915
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: pocket for a while. I mean we wrote it after

916
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: our first record, which had don't live here um and

917
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: looking for a good time and uh, I run to

918
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: You were our first three singles, and let me have

919
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: some of this here here, here's like I'm just looking

920
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: for I run to you just said you've run to

921
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: It was on the first record again, just one test

922
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 1: well still gets play a lot, yeah, even though it

923
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 1: was from the first record, and listen to those lyrics.

924
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: Society Tom Douglas. Tom Douglas sat in that chair and

925
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: did he come here? Yeah, he talked about you guys

926
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: really yeah, and gathering around the piano. Yeah, he's got

927
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: a beautiful little farm and our beautiful home mountain, you know,

928
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: Franklin or whatever, and just an old piano. And he's

929
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: such a poet. It is just so artistic. I'm like,

930
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: I like want to be him. I would fangirl him

931
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: just even though we've written with him a dozen times. Like,

932
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: I would fangirl him just about everything. Yeah, I've been

933
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: lucky enough to sit next to some really mind blowing,

934
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 1: lee awesome people that I only appreciate way later because

935
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: in the moment, And that's got to be like that

936
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: with you at times. So you're doing this big and

937
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: then moment you're just trying to get through it and

938
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: not suck back at it and go, Yeah, that was awesome.

939
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: It was so cool. That was a poem which we

940
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: told that story, but our bass player jokes us about

941
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: that a lot, but it was it was a poem

942
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: time had written called I Run to You, and it

943
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: was just all these things that he runs from, pessimists

944
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:21,240
Speaker 1: and prejudice. He was like, he was like actually running

945
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: I think maybe the Music City Marathon, but he had

946
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: all these visions of things that you run from. I mean,

947
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: how deep is that? You know? Like I mean it's like, like,

948
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: why can't I think of that kind of stuff. He's

949
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: just that kind of guy and has lived a lot

950
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 1: of great life and and had you know, his ups

951
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: and downs that he writes and shares about. But yeah,

952
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: that started with a poem and we basically took his

953
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: poem and kind of put music to it um and

954
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: then we got into it so right. And for the

955
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,439
Speaker 1: next record, we had a writing compointment with Josh Kire

956
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: and we never written with him before, but he had

957
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: written before he cheats for Cary Underwood, and uh, we

958
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: went in there and wrote one song first for about

959
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: an hour, and it was kind of quick, and I

960
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: just it didn't feel like a good song. Um, that's

961
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: a quick right. It was a quick right. He had

962
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: had Um, he had had like half of it done.

963
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: It was a song called young Love, and it just

964
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: didn't feel like us. It didn't feel like us. And

965
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 1: we finished it and I was like, man, and then

966
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: it was like one of those things. Charles was like,

967
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: why aren't we just staying write another song? And I

968
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: was like, I mean, we're all single and nothing to do.

969
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: I was like, sounds great, I'm here. So we started

970
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: writing another song, and um, Charles had some melodies on

971
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: the guitar. He had just started playing guitar actually and

972
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: learned a few chords on the acoustics, so he came

973
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: up with some of the melody on the verse D

974
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 1: D D D no no um. And then we kind

975
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: of just sailed off from there and you know, we

976
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: wrote it really quick. I'd say in an hour as well.

977
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 1: Needs You Now happened fast. Some of the some songs

978
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 1: take like six hours or a few days or a

979
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 1: couple of writing sessions. Needs You Now was quick. I

980
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: Run to you was pretty quick. You finished Needs You Now?

981
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: And it's just a song. It's just a song. I

982
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 1: didn't think it would Um. We sat on it for

983
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: probably eight months, just sitting in our iTunes playlist and

984
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,240
Speaker 1: our very last label meeting to cut with Paul Worley

985
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: for that Needs You Now record, which it was not

986
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: obviously titled inn Um. I remember, and again it's just

987
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 1: a beautiful testament. I think Charles and his memory and

988
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 1: his passion and ear from music, He was like, what

989
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: about that? Remember that song we wrote Josh here that day.

990
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of like it sounds just like

991
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: it'd be a cool album track, you know, kind of

992
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: one of those like kind of insider songs that like

993
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: people just love the vibe, you know, it's it could

994
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: probably have like a cool vibe. Um, what if we

995
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: you know, in the the acoustic demo, I want to

996
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: play you some of that. I mean, the acoustic demo

997
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: is just we're fumbling all over the melody, you know,

998
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: it's like he messes up a lyric and it was

999
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 1: just all over the place. The acoustic demo was really

1000
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: just it was just a voice in the moe from

1001
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: our phone, and so it sounded really rough. But we

1002
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: were like a couple of the people in the room

1003
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,720
Speaker 1: Autumn House, Mike Dungan, Um, they all kind of perked

1004
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: up there like that could be kind of cool. Why

1005
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: don't you guys try that? And so still we didn't

1006
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: know what was happening. We got in the studio and

1007
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: recorded it, and I think once we got in there

1008
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: and Paul Worley got his hands on it, he made

1009
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: so the piano part, Mike Rojas was tinkering around, you

1010
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: know when you're warming up in the studio, and he

1011
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: started to kind of do that on the outro of

1012
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: the song, and we were like, man, do that on

1013
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 1: the intro. That's like a hook. That sounds like one

1014
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: of those big hooks. The baseline, this guy named Craig

1015
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: Young play that Paul Worley got. I could geek out

1016
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: on these guys names for for for hours. But um,

1017
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: some of the bass playing, piano, playing guitar, I mean

1018
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,760
Speaker 1: me and Paul played about acoustic guitars on that song.

1019
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: So when it gets to the chorus on the song, acoustics.

1020
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,399
Speaker 1: So this is an old Um, I won't go down

1021
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: this tangent forever. This is an old Crosby steals in

1022
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: Nash and Young trick that Paul worley knew where you

1023
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 1: kind of if you have like up to twenty to

1024
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 1: thirty acoustics, it makes it feel like the whole song

1025
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 1: chugs along really like it's like a wall of sound. Right.

1026
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:03,720
Speaker 1: So if you notice on the course there's just this jinging, jinginginging,

1027
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: straight kind of thing, And that's about acoustics in the background.

1028
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not the same. If you want to

1029
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: to in today's world, you could just duplicate him, yeah,

1030
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 1: but to have different guitars with different woods and different

1031
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: strings from different eras in different times, all surrounding in stereo,

1032
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: different guitars all playing. And you know, Paul plays a

1033
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: little different than I play, and I play a little

1034
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: different and finger some of the chords differently with different voicings.

1035
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: But just those little nuances on the track. When Paul

1036
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: Worlely got and and dug in with that song, I mean,

1037
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 1: I gotta give it to micro Haas. The piano stuff

1038
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 1: is amazing on that song, and I gotta give it

1039
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: to Paul worly Man. He is such a champion for

1040
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: great art and he takes his time with it, and

1041
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 1: that can be hard with patients and studio because We

1042
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: all want to just pump out a track in one day,

1043
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: but Paul will sit on it and work on it

1044
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: and work on it, and then two months later you're like, wow,

1045
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: this thing sounds timeless. So you write it, you think

1046
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: it's a song. Then it's sitting there and you think

1047
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 1: this is a song. Cut it. When do you realize

1048
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: that it could be special? Um? Once we cut it

1049
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 1: and we started showing it to people, so we recorded

1050
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: it and we started playing it for you know, our friends. UM.

1051
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 1: I mean I wasn't married at the time. I wouldn't

1052
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: say my wife, but friends and people the label and management,

1053
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: and they're like, man, that's like that could be really

1054
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 1: a crazy cool kind of first single. Um. And we're like, no,

1055
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: we need to have a tempo. Isn't that what you're

1056
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 1: supposed to do. You're supposed to have like the rocking

1057
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: tempo is your first song. And they were like, man,

1058
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: it just this feels like a piece of art. It

1059
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 1: feels like art. And we were all about it. We

1060
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: just thought it would be the album track, but we

1061
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: were all about it. I mean it was it was

1062
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: all of our favorite song that we had recorded for

1063
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: the needs you now for that record so you have

1064
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 1: the song and it goes to country radio first and

1065
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: it splashes, Yeah it does. At what point do you

1066
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: realize that the splash is bigger than what we expect

1067
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: did it to be? So we started getting calls. I mean,

1068
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: to this day, nothing will ever happen like this ever again.

1069
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: It just won't the stars aligned. I mean we started

1070
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: getting calls from every format um, and then all around

1071
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: the world. I mean literally, I'd have to pull up

1072
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 1: the emails. I remember emails from like, hey, there's just

1073
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: you know, the people in Italy heard it, people in

1074
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: Romania heard it, people in Russian and Australia and Japan,

1075
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:29,919
Speaker 1: all these people all around the world want to start

1076
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 1: spinning the song. And I was like what, like, how

1077
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: did you know? I mean it it literally spread like wildfire.

1078
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: I mean country radio. It went to number one for

1079
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: four or five weeks um, and stay there for four

1080
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: or five weeks, and then we sent it to pop radio, um,

1081
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 1: you know, which we caught a little flak four people.

1082
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: Do you know when you kind of crossover or send

1083
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 1: a song out to a different format and stuff. So

1084
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: I get that, but it went huge. It just went massive.

1085
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 1: I remember when the song came and that's when I

1086
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 1: remember when that band with the crazy name was the

1087
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 1: band of the song that we're playing a pop At

1088
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: what point did it feel like where did this is

1089
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: a whole new ball game. It's a whole new ball

1090
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 1: I mean the international stuff Canada and Europe. It took

1091
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 1: off in Canada and Europe and we started getting request to,

1092
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: you know, play in London, and play in Toronto, and

1093
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: go play in Australia. I mean that was like for me,

1094
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: we felt like the little kids from the country who

1095
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: get to go play in the big cities all around

1096
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: the world. Um, did you get lost in that? Was

1097
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: it so much in a quick beat? Or did you

1098
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: actually we're able to dissect it a bit and enjoy it.

1099
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 1: That's a tough one. That's a really tough question. There's

1100
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 1: definitely parts that we didn't dissect. I mean, we didn't

1101
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 1: have anything to gauge it off of, so it was

1102
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: all happening for the first time. You know. It's like

1103
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: whenever if anything ever happens and something takes off, you

1104
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: don't know what to gauge it against. This it never

1105
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,399
Speaker 1: happened before. Uh, did you reach out to anyone who

1106
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: had crossed over inside the That's always what I wonder,

1107
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: because there are a few that it crossed over inside

1108
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: the format that you said, Hey, I'm going into the

1109
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: pop world, in the hot A C world. You know,

1110
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: what are the things that happened to you that I

1111
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,479
Speaker 1: don't expect? Did you mean we didn't have anybody? I guess.

1112
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 1: I mean our manager, Gary Borman did a great job. Um,

1113
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: at the time, we were with Gary Borman, and he

1114
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: did a great job of having a lot of experience

1115
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:24,919
Speaker 1: with a lot of pop acts and also Keith Urban.

1116
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: He represents Keith Urban, and Keith had a lot He

1117
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: has a lot of music that really goes around the world.

1118
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 1: I don't know if people really realize how big he

1119
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 1: is in Europe, in Canada and Australian stuff. So he

1120
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 1: had some experience with with Keith with a lot of

1121
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 1: international success. But it was just the three of us

1122
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,439
Speaker 1: kind of strapping on from holding on for dear life.

1123
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: I mean, it was a wild, crazy ride. Um, it's

1124
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: so hard. You know. I watched people on TV now

1125
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: that go through these things, you know, when we were

1126
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: at the Grammys two, I'm watching Alicia Carra and all

1127
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: the new artists and you know when Sam Hunt was

1128
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: taken off, and then you know, you watch all these

1129
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: since Stapleton what he's going through, and whoa, it's crazy.

1130
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: I mean, it's insane are as, it's all the time,

1131
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: and you kind of lose yourself in that because you

1132
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 1: think you're supposed to say yes to everything, and you

1133
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: do say yes to everything. And I mean, I remember

1134
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: a vivid moment. Taylor Swift was about a year ahead

1135
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: of us in country music. She won New Artist of

1136
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 1: the Year at the A c m S and the

1137
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: c M A. She was kind of like a year

1138
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: ahead of us, winning a lot of the new new

1139
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 1: stuff when she was coming out in country and I

1140
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: just remember watching her in her trajectory and how much

1141
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: she just killed it and kept going and kept going.

1142
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: And I think we hit a point. So we after

1143
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: the night of the Grammys and oh nine or two

1144
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: thousand ten, I forget the year where we won for

1145
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: record and solid the year on five in one night

1146
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: Needs for Needs You now, I mean song of the

1147
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 1: Year and um single was single one of the Grant No.

1148
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: There there were a few country ones and then a

1149
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:59,959
Speaker 1: few of the and then the two all genres. Yeah,

1150
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 1: I mean like Um, I mean it was crazy. Dude,

1151
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: Live Your Life by Rhanna was in that category. You know.

1152
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 1: New York New York by Jay Z was in the category.

1153
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:11,240
Speaker 1: Were you getting people in the spectrum of not country going, Hey,

1154
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: I love that to you? Was like, whoa you even

1155
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: know who we are? Yeah? I mean like Lady Gaga

1156
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:19,320
Speaker 1: came up that year, and um, some of the guys

1157
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 1: from a couple of the other big bands, but yeah,

1158
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 1: you get some of the like hip hop artist John Mayor.

1159
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: We met John Mayor for the first time. Um, I

1160
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: loved your interview of his by the way, really cool

1161
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 1: because I grew up in Georgia. I loved his history

1162
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: at in Atlanta with Clay Cook and stuff. Um, which

1163
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: is the whole Clay cooking is crazy. It's crazy. Yeah,

1164
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: the whole for those are Clays now with Zach Brown,

1165
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 1: Clay is awesome. But him and John were together. I

1166
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: love Christian Bush was in a few days ago. There's

1167
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 1: one that just went up. You know, Christian was on

1168
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: the John and of course Christian was the first band

1169
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 1: to ever play at his attic and that's where John

1170
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 1: kind of came up. But again we're nerding on something.

1171
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: Was there a part of and again, I'm just jumping out.

1172
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: Let me finish that thought real quick, just because I

1173
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 1: was gonna say we as a band, I think made

1174
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 1: a conscious I didn't mean to cut you off with

1175
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: that felt, but we as a band. I remember after

1176
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,919
Speaker 1: we won all those Grammys, everything came in, go play

1177
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 1: around the world, do everything. I remember thinking, the three

1178
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: of us discussing because you know, we're like, I just

1179
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 1: don't I don't want to lose myself. I don't want to.

1180
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to work that much. You know, we

1181
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 1: kind of hit this point in our career where we

1182
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: said we could work three hundred and sixty five days

1183
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: a year because there's enough stuff that's coming in right

1184
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: now that we could. But I don't want to. Um,

1185
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 1: you know, I want to. I want to work and

1186
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: play hundred fifty two hundred shows, you know, do radio,

1187
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:43,359
Speaker 1: do some great fun things, and record, But I don't

1188
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 1: want to work every day of the year. And so

1189
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: everything came in where we could have lost ourselves in it.

1190
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 1: But I would say between the three of us and

1191
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: the perks of being in a group, you're able to

1192
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: have conversation with each other and work through things together.

1193
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 1: And we kind of said, you know what, this is

1194
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 1: amazing the success. Let's keep it going with with as

1195
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 1: much as we can in but not at the sacrifice

1196
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 1: of ourselves. So where my mind goes you're telling the

1197
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:09,320
Speaker 1: story is that instead of thinking how amazing this is,

1198
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 1: is that something great happens, how in the world do

1199
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: you follow it up? Because nothing's ever going to follow

1200
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: that up? Nothing, nothing, It was a perfect storm. So

1201
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: you know, what do you put out after when it

1202
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 1: doesn't do the same? Do you feel like a failure

1203
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 1: even though it's doing amazing relatively to everything else except

1204
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: that one lightning in a bottle? I mean, I can't

1205
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 1: ever use the word failure. I mean everything that we've

1206
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: done in music, I just feel lucky that we get

1207
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: to do music. Honestly. Um So, that was just beyond

1208
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: any wildest expectation, and it was just a rare moment.

1209
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, because it's also the first time

1210
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 1: somebody hears about it. Let me imagine the first time

1211
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: you hear about a band too. There's kind of that

1212
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:50,439
Speaker 1: you can't get enough of it. I mean the first

1213
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: time I heard about you know him this, you know

1214
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: pop trio, I was like, oh my god, I watched

1215
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 1: every YouTube you could possibly watch, which I love them

1216
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: and obsessed with them. Um female pop group that everybody

1217
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: wants to spell it. But yeah, I don't know if

1218
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 1: I said it right. That's how I don't either. And

1219
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: when you said this, I know you're smart. When you said, Jeff,

1220
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 1: that's how people that really know say it. But the

1221
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: rest of us say gift, and so all the term

1222
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 1: now with the normals, not you us, the normals the

1223
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 1: down below. Everybody says a gift. But when someone says Jeff,

1224
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: you know they really know what. Yeah, I didn't just

1225
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 1: come to play today. This is real? So need you now?

1226
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 1: Crushes it? What's The next single was the American Honey,

1227
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: which was But was there a bit of huh? I

1228
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: wonder if this one cross over because it was so

1229
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 1: big the time before. Yeah, of course, of course, I

1230
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: mean absolutely. I mean it's hard, it's really tough. You

1231
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: put all this pressure on yourself. I don't driving myself crazy? Yeah,

1232
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: did you telling the story? I'm going, Oh, I'm insane

1233
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: like that way through the ride because I'm going the

1234
00:58:58,200 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 1: next ride. I gotta start building. If I knew what

1235
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: how about my personality type and everything I've learned about

1236
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: myself in the last six months at you know, counseling

1237
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 1: and on site and everything. Oh my gosh, I would

1238
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: have it would have been It would have been helpful

1239
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 1: to know that much about myself. But maybe I'm grateful

1240
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: I didn't know as much about myself and I just

1241
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: we kept our foot on the gas and just kept going.

1242
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, you we ran into that for

1243
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 1: the next record, I think for the following record. But

1244
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 1: those songs did well at country. UM, we had Just

1245
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: a Kiss and we Own the Night, which came out

1246
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: on our third record. But I don't know, then we

1247
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 1: started asking. I think we hit a point where we

1248
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: started second guessing ourselves, you know, which is all let

1249
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 1: into I mean, you know, if anybody knows our evolution

1250
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 1: and our journey, you know, leading into a UM. You know,

1251
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: we had some songs. Maybe people don't know about them

1252
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 1: because they didn't work, But we had a few singles

1253
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 1: at radio that didn't do anything. Um, Goodbye Town was

1254
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 1: a struggle for us. UM Freestyle didn't really work. Hello

1255
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: World was really a struggle. UM. And why do you

1256
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 1: think those were a struggle? What? What moved well at

1257
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: that point in time? I think some lady and a belle,

1258
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 1: and fatigue began. I really do. I think there's too

1259
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 1: much lady A, too much, you know, and and it's

1260
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 1: just a natural cycle. I get it with anything. Sports

1261
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 1: teams that always win. I mean we had, we had,

1262
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: we had won a lot, and our songs have been

1263
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 1: all number ones for a while, and then you know,

1264
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 1: you get to a point where if the song isn't

1265
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 1: maybe as special, it's like, well we've heard, We've already

1266
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: heard that style from them. We get what they do.

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01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 1: So there were a couple of mrs for us. I

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01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: mean that kind of led into I think some second

1269
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 1: guessing for us as lady A. We kind of started

1270
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 1: to lean more on the business side of like, well

1271
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 1: we gotta get some hits again, guys. And then we

1272
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 1: just like what happened to us when we made music

1273
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: that we didn't care about where we lived in Josh

1274
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 1: Kelly's house and we wrote I Run to You, and

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01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:51,919
Speaker 1: we wrote love Don't live Here, and we wrote needs

1276
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 1: You Now? I mean, what happened to that? You know?

1277
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 1: How did we get that? And and those songs came

1278
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 1: about because we weren't thinking. And then we went into

1279
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 1: a period of our career where we started thinking too much.

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01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 1: I think and and I think anybody that probably hits

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01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: seven years, ten years, fifteen years, and there's been a

1282
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 1: lot of great people in this seat on your podcast

1283
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 1: that probably would say the same thing. There's just ebbs

1284
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 1: and flows, and you do you get to that point

1285
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 1: where you you lose a little bit of what got

1286
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 1: you where where you are. Do you feel like you've

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Speaker 1: got some of that back or all of that back,

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01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 1: or a different back. For Heartbreak, I think we got

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01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: I think we got it back. I really think we

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01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: got it back. Um. I think we said that we

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01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 1: got it back on some earlier records. Um. But you know,

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01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 1: we obviously had a break, had some time away, different

1293
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 1: projects were out, time to just kind of reconnect with

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01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 1: who we are. Uh. And and I think for Heartbreak,

1295
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 1: living together was just such a fun experience making the

1296
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 1: record that kind of that helped us get it back.

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01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 1: I mean to like wake up and you know, laugh

1298
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 1: and make coffee and you know, I mean living together.

1299
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 1: You're a part of every little facet of each other's lives.

1300
01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 1: And it it made us laugh again and made us

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01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 1: feel young and made us I think right innocent music again.

1302
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 1: I want to play something here and you'll know it.

1303
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 1: But it's something I pulled out all right, deepens. So

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01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 1: this is Never Alone Jim Brickman. And this is the

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01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 1: first time that you guys were on something together. So

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01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 1: this was this song actually was on the Hot Day

1307
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: C chart, right if I'm right, it did. It did

1308
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 1: pretty well. It's i mean, really impactful, weird and moving

1309
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:31,440
Speaker 1: song too. So tell people who Jim Brickman is. Yeah,

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01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:35,479
Speaker 1: Jim Brickman is an instrumentalist, piano player. Um. And we

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01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 1: were writing a lot with Victoria Shaw early on, and

1312
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 1: him and Victoria Shaw we're good friends. And uh, they said,

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01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 1: Jim's looking for a featured vocalist for this song Never

1314
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 1: Alone and Hillary when we killed the song. It's a

1315
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 1: perfect fit for her. She's so believable in the song.

1316
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 1: It was the first time Lady and Bellum was recognized

1317
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 1: as Lady and bell Um. It was before we had

1318
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 1: a record deal, before Surround. So what do you do

1319
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 1: on this song? I just sing some harmonies, Charles just

1320
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 1: sing some harmonies. Um. It was mostly Hillary, mostly Hillary

1321
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 1: singing lead. She wrote the song. Hillary wrote that she

1322
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 1: wrote the lyrics. Yeah. Hillary wrote that with Victoria Shaw

1323
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 1: and maybe somebody else. Please forgive me somebody else if

1324
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 1: you hear this. And I can't remember who it was,

1325
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 1: but yeah, so Jim Braakman was looking for a feature vocalist.

1326
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 1: That's kind of be cool to see your name on something.

1327
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 1: It was, you're a real entity whenever you're on Lady

1328
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 1: to see, uh, you know, when it's dark at night

1329
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 1: and you're in your car and the you know the

1330
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 1: radio letters, you know, they light up scrolling across. I

1331
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 1: mean to see like you know, when it goes across

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01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 1: Jim Brickman featuring parentheses or whatever. Lady in a Bellum.

1333
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll never forget it. I mean that was.

1334
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 1: That was before we had a record deal to Victoria.

1335
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 1: Victoria Shaw really was a huge champion um for that

1336
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 1: song and our She was a producer on our first record,

1337
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 1: and that was a big moment for us. You talk

1338
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 1: about being a songwriter aside from any of the Lady

1339
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 1: A stuff to meet Charles and Luke Crazy. We had

1340
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 1: no fun that day. It sounds like it sounds like

1341
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 1: a terrible day. So and I with songwriters, and I've

1342
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 1: gotten to know a lot of them on a much

1343
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 1: closer level because of doing this. This has been a

1344
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 1: great environment for me to get to know people, and

1345
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 1: they get to ask questions I would never ask in

1346
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 1: my life. And I've also learned that with some songwriters,

1347
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 1: when they tell stories about their big songs, they have

1348
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 1: to almost have revisionist history because they write so many

1349
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 1: songs and they don't remember, but they have to have

1350
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 1: a story because someone goes, tell me when you wrote

1351
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 1: the house that built me, And if you don't have

1352
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 1: a story, it kind of lets people down. So when

1353
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 1: I say, do I do you remember the day? Of course,

1354
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: that was the first time we had written with Luke Um.

1355
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 1: We had we had known Luke Brian and we had

1356
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 1: talked about writing. I mean, we were all like on

1357
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 1: our first record and stuff, and uh, you know, he

1358
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 1: called us out to his house. He's like, dude, if

1359
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 1: you guys want to come over and write, and he's

1360
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 1: a really awesome and chaotic guy, and I just remember

1361
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 1: it being so like, you know, there's just so much

1362
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 1: going on in his world and he's got such a awesome,

1363
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 1: crazy family that's all over the place. And we show

1364
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 1: up and so it was loud inside and so we

1365
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 1: came out onto the front porch and we sat on

1366
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 1: Luke's front porch. I mean it feels like like one

1367
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 1: of those classic like country moments um, you know, but

1368
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 1: like we sat on Luke Brian's front porch and had

1369
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 1: two guitars and and wrote this song. We wrote another one,

1370
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 1: but this one was definitely like an amazing one and

1371
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 1: what what what We wrote it with him and he

1372
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 1: had some of the verse stuff going and we really,

1373
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 1: I mean, Luke had I was. I have to give

1374
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 1: Luke credit. He had a lot of this song in

1375
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 1: pieces like a puzzle like I've got this melody man,

1376
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 1: you know, I've got this kind of thing, this idea.

1377
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 1: You know, I just think the lyric is brilliant. He

1378
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 1: had some of the lyric um and we really find

1379
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: Me and Charles helped him finish the song. So any

1380
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 1: songwriter would tell you there's always kind of like and

1381
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 1: it's different like some right I'll be there and I'll

1382
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 1: be like, dude, I got this whole track and I

1383
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 1: got this title and then we you know, in you know,

1384
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 1: some there's always like somebody that has a little bit more,

1385
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 1: and Luke had a lot of this kind of ready

1386
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 1: to go and so me and Charles were there to

1387
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 1: help him, finish it, come up with the bridge, finished

1388
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 1: them the lyrics, and I mean we we loved it

1389
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 1: because it was the first time. It was his first

1390
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 1: number one, his very first number one. It was the

1391
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 1: first time I'd really heard him on a ballad that

1392
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 1: was moving. It felt really moving to hear Luke, you know,

1393
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 1: because he's such a lot of his tracks are big

1394
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 1: party songs, but I like the ballads he does. I mean,

1395
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 1: drink a beer, you know for Luke. I love I'm

1396
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 1: I love ballads kind of more than anything because that

1397
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 1: you feel them. We record so many ballads. We've always

1398
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:36,440
Speaker 1: talked about should we just do an album of like

1399
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 1: the ballads? I mean, we just love. Do you remember

1400
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 1: the commercial when we were younger, because we're the same

1401
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 1: age relatively, where you'd wake up at one of the

1402
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 1: morning and it was like now for love songs and

1403
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 1: it was how am I supposed to live with thatch you?

1404
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 1: And it would go Richard Marks and Luther Vantage the

1405
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:56,920
Speaker 1: whole time, and then the one that they were singing

1406
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 1: would be in white highlight and then it would change

1407
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 1: those God, we got stuff on the bus last year.

1408
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 1: I think we've had a couple of whiskeys but we

1409
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 1: were all just like this is the greatest, and I

1410
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 1: think somebody in the band called and ordered it, you know,

1411
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 1: like there's such great little collections of music. But yeah,

1412
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 1: I mean I would I would sit and watch those

1413
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 1: things broll and they're like thirty minutes or infommercials, you know,

1414
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 1: so they would just go on and on and on.

1415
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 1: I caught myself in a rabbit hole of watching YouTube

1416
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 1: videos of nineties commercials and yeah, I know, and that

1417
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 1: was when I watched I think four different commercials of

1418
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 1: that serious time life, the time Life. Okay, I forgot

1419
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 1: about the songs of the nineties. I'm live Wow and

1420
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 1: again I just remember, Man tell me how most supposed

1421
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 1: to live at the piano just killing it? Man, Well,

1422
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:44,520
Speaker 1: you guys ever not play needs you now? Okay, So

1423
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 1: that's that's it. It's so fun to play. It still

1424
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 1: is fun. Um. I would imagine one day you get

1425
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 1: tired of it, but when the crowd responds that way,

1426
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 1: it's it's fun. I asked him, because we had a

1427
01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 1: show at the Rheman my band or my goofie band

1428
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 1: played the run and we added about people to come

1429
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 1: out and we had we flew Hanson into play. It

1430
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 1: was a charity thing, right, we do it for Saint

1431
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:07,680
Speaker 1: Jude every year. So it's the Raging Idiots, a million

1432
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 1: dollars show, and all we asked him without Dirk's everybody

1433
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:14,960
Speaker 1: comes played, So I brought Hanson in and they just

1434
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:18,719
Speaker 1: really only playing Humbob. But I don't know. Both times

1435
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 1: I had to say because they're very nice. They couldn't

1436
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 1: have been nicer. But I remember Taylor coming up saying, hey,

1437
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:28,840
Speaker 1: listen what we'd really love to do because everybody's doing

1438
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:31,759
Speaker 1: two songs you know. Wait, wait, Darius was out, Derek's

1439
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 1: came out, um and never known two songs, and I said, hey,

1440
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 1: we'd like to do this song instead. I said, great,

1441
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 1: wan't you do three songs? And you have to do

1442
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 1: umbob like the people want, that's what they want, and

1443
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 1: the people went crazy. I was watching thirty year old

1444
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 1: women climbed the side of stairs backstage to get a picture,

1445
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 1: and then they came up on the show and they

1446
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 1: didn't want to play it, and so I said, hey,

1447
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 1: would you guys just mind playing a verse in a chorus?

1448
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:57,839
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess that song for them though happened

1449
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 1: at a much younger Maybe you know, intersection in their

1450
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,639
Speaker 1: lives and maybe they're just that was a weird time

1451
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 1: for them maybe, But I mean we're all like, you know, older,

1452
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 1: and I mean weren't they like teenagers really young, you know,

1453
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:15,840
Speaker 1: I think the drummer maybe like nine, yeah, something like that. Yeah.

1454
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:18,679
Speaker 1: So anyways, I don't know. Darius does it really well too.

1455
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's a great champion for always

1456
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 1: playing hold my hand, let her cry, I want to

1457
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:25,760
Speaker 1: be with you. You know. In addition, all the number

1458
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 1: ones that country think he's a good word. And we're

1459
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 1: torm with him the summer, which is fun because we're

1460
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 1: going to kind of collaborate some and come in and

1461
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:35,680
Speaker 1: out and you know, I mean, I love playing on

1462
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 1: those songs. I want to play on that's my favorite. Darius.

1463
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 1: My first ever radio interview when I was seventeen, it

1464
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 1: was actually Darius, and so we've come up without the

1465
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 1: band or just I got they. I was again my

1466
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:51,599
Speaker 1: first ever interview as a teenager about to start freshman

1467
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 1: year college and I was a huge Hoody fan. So

1468
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 1: I drove an hour and a half. I don't know

1469
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 1: if they were gonna be Sony Dean. I had no idea,

1470
01:09:57,720 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 1: right and I was scared. Crap list and they said

1471
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 1: you get Darius, and I was like, holy crap, and

1472
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 1: I go and I was shaking, and he took the

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01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:06,680
Speaker 1: microphone and just held it and led me through the interview.

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01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 1: And so we've kind of come up parallel and we've

1475
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 1: both shifted formats naturally both got kicked back from it.

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01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 1: Then finally people said, Okay, we believe you. And so

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01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 1: he's we've always been close and he's been just a

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01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:22,719
Speaker 1: great friend to me. Yeah, more than he's ever needed.

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01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 1: But he's coming to flowing on charity events. He drove

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01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:27,120
Speaker 1: in from Charleston to do the Ryman Show. Yeah, he's

1481
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 1: so kind man, he really is. He's got some party

1482
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:31,680
Speaker 1: stories too, and I will always let him tell the

1483
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 1: party story. I never want to tell the but man,

1484
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:37,679
Speaker 1: the hoodie party stories. And he says, and he said

1485
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:39,559
Speaker 1: on the air before when when he finally writes the book,

1486
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 1: people are gonna go, dang, we heard that. You know

1487
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:44,680
Speaker 1: the who used the party? Wait till you know those

1488
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 1: got anybody in that era, uh, you know, to preface it,

1489
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 1: I don't party a lot, but anybody in those eras,

1490
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:52,640
Speaker 1: like you didn't have social media, so you could just

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01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 1: kind of party and go crazy and there was like

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01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:58,160
Speaker 1: no repercussions. I guess, you know, like when he played

1493
01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:00,640
Speaker 1: the show, I got him. He came out during one

1494
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:02,720
Speaker 1: but we were doing Purple Rain and he came out

1495
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 1: and scared us, and we know he's coming. It's like,

1496
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:06,200
Speaker 1: I do this song. He just jumped on stage started singing.

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01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:07,760
Speaker 1: I said, okay, cool, but we're gonna make you do

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01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:09,600
Speaker 1: an extra song. And so I was a geek for

1499
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:12,960
Speaker 1: Cracked Review and then I said, hey, let's do hold

1500
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 1: my hand and so we played it together, him and

1501
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 1: I up front, and it was that and better than

1502
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 1: Ezra had. Kevin come out from better than we did

1503
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 1: good and desperately wanting yes, total selfish. Yeah. I remember

1504
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:25,840
Speaker 1: running through the wet grass fall in and I was like,

1505
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 1: I'm in heaven. I mean heaven to me, those are

1506
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:30,559
Speaker 1: the songs when you're a kid, and the artist from

1507
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:32,880
Speaker 1: when you were a kid, I mean, more than a superstar.

1508
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 1: The nineties stuff too, man, that nineties rock, I mean

1509
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 1: who didn't love that stuff? Now? The Pearl jam that

1510
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 1: was going on Cracked Review, I mean that was I

1511
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:45,720
Speaker 1: was obsessed, so obsessed with Craig Review. There was an

1512
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:49,600
Speaker 1: album cut on that called Running from an Angel, and

1513
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:52,479
Speaker 1: it was running from an Angel, running to the Devil

1514
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 1: Deva and and I was talking Darius in Austin. He

1515
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 1: came into a cherry Ban said, Hey, dude, I haven't

1516
01:11:58,439 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 1: heard that song of forever. That was my Janie got

1517
01:11:59,880 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 1: Hig school for all practice. And he goes, man, he goes,

1518
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 1: I've played that song in ten years. And we're at

1519
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 1: the event and he goes, I got this for you.

1520
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 1: They worked it out and they played the all song.

1521
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:11,960
Speaker 1: Oh man, I think I got an direction. It was amazing.

1522
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:16,160
Speaker 1: Toner a musical, a toner, that's what they call it.

1523
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:18,679
Speaker 1: Pitch perfect. So you guys are going out with Darius.

1524
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 1: They the third one is coming out to pitch Perfect three.

1525
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 1: Maybe I should just at least leave my disclaimer that

1526
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:27,599
Speaker 1: my wife is obsessed and so I kind of been

1527
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:29,720
Speaker 1: the lunchbox. Just want the whole thing about high loves

1528
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:31,559
Speaker 1: pitch perfect. Kind of good though, that's what he said

1529
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 1: to I mean, Anna Kendrick's fun to watch, dude. She's

1530
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 1: a great singer. So you guys are out with Darius

1531
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:40,439
Speaker 1: all summer, all summer. Yeah, she'll be rocking, man. I mean,

1532
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:42,400
Speaker 1: she was really I'll give it to Hillary. She was,

1533
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 1: you know, like, guys, I'm ready to go back out.

1534
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:49,599
Speaker 1: Let's let's playing another tour, another big amphitheater tour. So um,

1535
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 1: it'll be fun. We've never like really done like um.

1536
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:54,720
Speaker 1: It just kind of this co headlining thing back and forth,

1537
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 1: so it's gonna be cool. Well, I gotta say I

1538
01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 1: was looking forward to this because you should be the

1539
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:05,040
Speaker 1: lead talker. No man, like this is if you have

1540
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:07,960
Speaker 1: like an hour, I can I can do like this is.

1541
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:10,679
Speaker 1: I'm just fantastic. I didn't know what to expect because

1542
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:13,680
Speaker 1: Charles has such a big personality and he's also the

1543
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:17,519
Speaker 1: front man talker to right and again, I like Charles

1544
01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:20,280
Speaker 1: and I get along with great with Charles. But you know,

1545
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 1: you come in and you know you you take your

1546
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 1: role and you go, yeah, when you need me, I'm here. Well,

1547
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 1: I just I don't feel like I can like I'm

1548
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 1: hard and like in a one to two minutes setting.

1549
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:31,519
Speaker 1: It's just hard for me to get deep because I

1550
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:34,720
Speaker 1: think I'm always thinking, you know, really deep, and so

1551
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 1: it's hard for me to like fully get there in

1552
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 1: a minute or two at radio. So I hope you

1553
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 1: feel like you got there. I totally feel like this

1554
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 1: was enjoyable. Thank you my first podcast. I get that

1555
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 1: guy over here. Look at this guy, Dave Haywood, the unicorn,

1556
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:53,120
Speaker 1: never by himself out. I've never had a conversation until

1557
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 1: you came over to the house. And thanks for coming

1558
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 1: up to hill, Thanks coming over the house. Thanks for

1559
01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 1: having me. Seriously, we've done an hour in hour in

1560
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:02,479
Speaker 1: ten minutes or it goes like that. Uh, that's awesome, man.

1561
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me twice you went huh. I've never

1562
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:07,280
Speaker 1: have been as said, oh that. Those are the rewards

1563
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:10,240
Speaker 1: for me when someone goes, you know what. I didn't

1564
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 1: thought about it that way. So I feel like it's

1565
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 1: been a good conversation. I learned a lot. Thank get

1566
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 1: this guy genius over here. Mike, you think you want

1567
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:21,559
Speaker 1: to add Yeah, me too, man, I'm completely satisfied. All right,

1568
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 1: Dave Heywood, go watch him and uh Charles and Hillary,

1569
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:27,640
Speaker 1: Ladiana Bellham and Darius throughout the summer and Heartbreak you

1570
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:29,759
Speaker 1: may listen to a year from now because podcasts Live Forever.

1571
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:33,720
Speaker 1: Their newest album after Heartbreak, it's called insert here is amazing.

1572
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 1: I love it. It's probably my favorite new record. When

1573
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 1: you agree with a lot of hard in this one.

1574
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:40,600
Speaker 1: You really found yourself in debating yes, yes, yes, all right,

1575
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:41,720
Speaker 1: we'll see you guys next time.