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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Cool People Did Cool Stuff, the

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Speaker 1: podcast about history and stuff and people and subjective qualities

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Speaker 1: like coolness. I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy. My guest is

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Speaker 1: not subjectively cool because she's objectively cool anymore. After an

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Speaker 1: introduction like that, anyone who gets introduced is less cool.

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Speaker 1: But it's not their fault. It's my fault. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: really set me up for failure that one. This is Sharid.

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Speaker 1: I am back. You're welcome. Yay. This week we are

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Speaker 1: running Rudderless without our captain slash producer Sophie, which means

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Speaker 1: we can finally tell you about the basement full of

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Speaker 1: You can't say that on Mike, Margaret, I mean, you

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Speaker 1: know who doesn't want you to know about it is.

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Speaker 1: But also we can talk about fucking gay rights, not

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Speaker 1: because Sophie would let us talk about this. Also, just

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Speaker 1: to be clear, I'm not trying to drive so for here.

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Speaker 1: This is part two of a four part series, so

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Speaker 1: you're gonna be a little bit confused. If you don't

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Speaker 1: go back and listen to the part one, you'll have

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Speaker 1: missed out on the guy with the leopard who founded

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Speaker 1: funded like most of the transhit in US for decades.

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Speaker 1: You all got to listen to that. You have to,

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Speaker 1: you have to. You'll have to learn about Henry, Henry,

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Speaker 1: gay rights, Henry the Leopard right Henry. He also funded

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Speaker 1: the Dun Dun Dun, the Daughters of Belitis. And if

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Speaker 1: you've been following along and listened and did not google

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Speaker 1: anything today, you will learn what that name means. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna learn what that name means because I was a

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Speaker 1: good listener and didn't google anything since Monday. Thank you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to make everyone wait a little bit longer

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Speaker 1: as we go on a side quest. A tangent on

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Speaker 1: this show that's unheard of, but don't worry. It's about

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Speaker 1: a lesbian crime lady, and it's good that's allowed. The

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Speaker 1: Daughters of Belitis were a response to lesbian bar culture

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Speaker 1: in the Bay. And which is the Bay of California?

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Speaker 1: What is the name of bay? San Francisco Bay. I'm

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Speaker 1: definitely well traveled. So let's talk about lesbian bars because

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Speaker 1: most gay bars at the time were criminal enterprises in

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Speaker 1: plenty more ways than one, because it was like illegal

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Speaker 1: to be gay but also run by criminals. Tommy Vassou

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Speaker 1: like cool criminals are like both, Yeah, and sometimes people

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Speaker 1: I wish that didn't turn me on. I do not

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Speaker 1: feel good about myself, like a big like anti hero

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Speaker 1: Gay rights was brought to you by the anti hero. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's a couple unabashed good people. But if you're being

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Speaker 1: faced with like terrible shit, you know, at least like

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Speaker 1: really think that's like my honest opinion. I think so too.

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Speaker 1: Tommy Vassou was a butch lesbian gangster who moved to

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Speaker 1: San Francisco in the forties from the Midwest. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: use she pronouns because those are very cool altogether. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: she she lived her life as a man, but I

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Speaker 1: which means that she had short hair. She wore double

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Speaker 1: She passed as a man completely. She used the men's restrooms,

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Speaker 1: and she was big in the crime scene doing crime stuff.

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Speaker 1: Love all that for her. Yeah, she was a pimp.

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Speaker 1: She dated sex workers. I don't know one way or

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Speaker 1: at least some of them she made her business partners

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Speaker 1: good as far as pimpsco. Yeah, Like she could have

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Speaker 1: been absolutely awful to her other workers. I have no idea. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know. Later she was a drug dealer, selling emphetamine's,

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Speaker 1: people don't want any People really want to whitewash gay history,

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Speaker 1: that's so interesting to me? You know, there's a couple

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Speaker 1: lines they see people like avoid a lot um. The

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Speaker 1: people who were harm reduction volunteers for no reason, You're like,

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Speaker 1: So Tommy, Tommy and her girlfriend owned a bar called

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Speaker 1: they're fucking boring. Yeah, And you get this moral panic right,

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Speaker 1: because it's like, because straight people aren't boring. Homophobes are boring?

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Speaker 1: I would recommend everyone read the book Stone Butch Blues

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Speaker 1: by Leslie Feinberg to talk about what it meant to

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Speaker 1: side note. There's a book called Hejab Butch Blues, a memoir.

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Speaker 1: of a cooperative front. Wait, can you repeat that? I

425
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,399
Speaker 1: want to hear that poetry? Yeah, what will be the

426
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 1: loss of the future lesbian fear scorn? This need not

427
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 1: be if lethargy is supplanted by an energized constructive program,

428
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 1: if cowardice gives way to the solidarity of a cooperative front.

429
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 1: M Basically, it's like, we fucking work together, we can

430
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 1: fucking do this shit. Yeah, that sounds like it would

431
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 1: be like from the Daughters of Belitas, just like the

432
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 1: way it is worded. Yeah, I know, I know. And

433
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,479
Speaker 1: the art on this magazine rules and it's worth looking at.

434
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,120
Speaker 1: It was eventually subtitled a Lesbian Review, the first time

435
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 1: in a magazine in the US used the word lesbian

436
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 1: like in its titling, and they ran a mail order

437
00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 1: for her to find lesbian books. They held the first

438
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 1: lesbian convention in the US, though cops came and made

439
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: sure no one was cross dressing. That's the weirdest whatever,

440
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 1: fucking cops. Yeah, and they organized lesbians to participate in

441
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 1: psychological studies, and then in the latter one of the

442
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: things that they did was spread information on how to

443
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 1: handle arrests. Quote, don't plead guilty, call your attorney, don't

444
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 1: volunteer information. In fact, don't talk to anyone about anything

445
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 1: that holds up. That's good advice. I was gonna say,

446
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 1: that's like, that's what we tell people now. Yeah, And

447
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 1: they had listicles like imagine this on the check outstand,

448
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 1: thirteen ways a woman can assert her rights in case

449
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 1: of arrest. Wow, their numbers, but that's just like, that's

450
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 1: those are the tabloids that I want back, you know

451
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: what I mean? I want those instead of Star. Yeah, like, yeah, anyways,

452
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,199
Speaker 1: I respect them. I respect that well. In episode four,

453
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about a queer organization called Star Don't worry,

454
00:24:55,240 --> 00:25:00,440
Speaker 1: Oh Street Trensvestite Action Revolutionaries. Wow. Oh, it's like a

455
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,360
Speaker 1: good acronym. Yeah, that's fucking sick. Yeah, I love an acronym.

456
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 1: Their numbers never get really high. The daughter's politism. A

457
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: bunch of different explanations are offered not by them, but

458
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 1: by like future historians or whatever. It was mostly for

459
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 1: middle class folks, predominantly white, but not overwhelmingly, so there's

460
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: very explicit racial inclusion. Many of its founders were Filipino,

461
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:22,959
Speaker 1: or at least one of the founders of Filippine. I've

462
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 1: heard that two of them were. It's some of its

463
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: leaders were people of color. They had a black president

464
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 1: for a while. They were trying yeah, most Yeah, and

465
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 1: frankly ahead of the curve for fifties and sixties for sure. Yeah.

466
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 1: I have to remind myself that that's that's the decade

467
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: it was in, because in my head it was like,

468
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: without realizing it, I'm like, oh, seventies or like eighties

469
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,120
Speaker 1: or whatever. But the fact that it was so long

470
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 1: ago is even more impressive. Yeah, but the assimilationist model

471
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 1: of it just didn't really light a spark in people.

472
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: And they talk a bunch of shit on butches and

473
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: gay bars, which is like where more of the lesbian

474
00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 1: cultures is happening. By the mid sixties, both the Daughters

475
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 1: of Bilitis and Matachine are both getting a little bit

476
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: more Actually society needs serious changing, and so they do

477
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,199
Speaker 1: start getting a little bit more radical in nineteen sixty four,

478
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: or they get more political. I guess it's a better

479
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: way to say it. In nineteen sixty four, the daughters

480
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: picketed a cathedral because a church guy inside had yelled

481
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: at another church guy for supporting queers, because actually religion

482
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 1: has never been united on the issues of gay people

483
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 1: in one direction or the other. And these groups all

484
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 1: together they get called the homophile movement movement. They used

485
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,360
Speaker 1: the word homophile to emphasize that it was about love,

486
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: which is sweet, But could you imagine the fucking discourse,

487
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 1: like if this was on Twitter? Like right, so you've

488
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: got another one of these groups around at this time.

489
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's more, but this one also had a

490
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: really metal name, the Janis Society JA and U Jis.

491
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: Could you imagine showing up at the like the big group,

492
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: the big thing that collected all the homophile groups is

493
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: called Echo. I think the East Coast homophile organizations are

494
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: least the eascast ones were. But could you imagine showing

495
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: up as like the Delaware Association of Guys who like

496
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: fucking other guys and everyone else is like Obliviator, the

497
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: Society of Destroyers. First of their name, you're Janis. Yeah.

498
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: So the Janis Society was a Philly area group that

499
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: had both men and women and They got their name

500
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 1: from the Roman god Janis, who had two faces, and

501
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: as the god of dualities and beginnings and endings and

502
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 1: just all kinds of metal shit. In nineteen sixty five,

503
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: Janus societal with a you yeah, Janis like ja and

504
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: you ask like the fucking movie logo. Okay, finally I

505
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: put together saying with that reference, I'm an idiot. I

506
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: was thinking of the white woman's name Janis this whole time.

507
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: But Janis is a really cool god. Yeah you say that,

508
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: and it's the fucking logo from that really cool company.

509
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 1: So anyway, but yeah, I don't know a company. It's

510
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: a it's a like a restoring or like film company

511
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: that like just do some really cool shit and like

512
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: helps restore old films. But logo itself is like a

513
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: two headed like a coin that has like two heads

514
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: on it. I'm pretty sure. Yeah. Cool. In nineteen sixty five,

515
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 1: they held us sit in just like straight up at

516
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: a lunch counter in Philly. We're queer people and cross dressers.

517
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: We were being refused service. After about one hundred and

518
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: fifty queer people had been denied service at this lunch counter.

519
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: Three teenagers, two boys, and one girl. Just sat the

520
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: fuck down and refused to leave, and they were arrested.

521
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: So then the president of the Janis Society, Clark Pollack,

522
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 1: he's a gay Jewish man and we're talking more about

523
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: him in a second. He got arrested next. During this

524
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: he just went and was like, all right, you're gonna

525
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: arrest these kids, You're gonna arrest me. So then three

526
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: more people come in and sit down, and this time

527
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: the cops refused to arrest them, and eventually the place

528
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: had to start serving queers, I think. But if nothing else,

529
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: they stopped arresting them, stopped kicking them out right. Janis Society,

530
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: in particular, that guy, Clark Pollak. They published a magazine

531
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: called Drum, which was a gay magazine that got its

532
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: name just like the sources of all their names. No, fascinating, Yeah,

533
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: I want to know. It got its name from that

534
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: book Walden by Throw, and it includes this quote in

535
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: every issue from that book. If a man does not

536
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he

537
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: hears the beat of a different drummer. And in this case,

538
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: the beat that this magazine heard was hot naked guys.

539
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: I love that these names have these like very deep

540
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: meanings that like you only know if you were in

541
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: on it. Yeah, I love that, And I don't know

542
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: the latter's meaning. I looked a little bit, but I

543
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: couldn't find it. I'm sure if I read an entire

544
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: book about the Daughters Blow to Right, I would know.

545
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: So this becomes the most popular game magazine in the

546
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: country because has hot naked guys in it. It also

547
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: gets in a lot of trouble. Its other motto was

548
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: less poetic and just as cool, put the sex back

549
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: into homosexuality. So you know where they would have been

550
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: in the Twitter discourse. Yeah, yes, yes, yes, that's amazing.

551
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: This scot Clark pullack A rested and sent to prison,

552
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: as did him running a peep show, and the magazine

553
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: disbanded because once again, sex work and gay stuff do.

554
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: It's not the same history, but it's a fucking huge

555
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: ven diagram. Yeah, and not everything that happened during this

556
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: era happened in the name of various organizations, in particular

557
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: what was called transvestites at the time. They're left out

558
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: a lot of the assimilations rhetoric because we're harder to

559
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: grapple with and explain something that's happening now. But while

560
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: organizations were more like trying to be respectable, the street

561
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: queers and LGBT across the spectrum, we're just fucking willing

562
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: to get rowdy. So now we get to talk about

563
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: some of the riots. Hell yeah, Los Angeles nineteen fifty nine,

564
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: there was a thriving queer community and scene, and the

565
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: cops kept fucking with it. They would arrest people and

566
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: they would print their names in the paper as queers

567
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: as a big scare tactic. It's like doxing back then. Yeah, basically,

568
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: that's so stupid. Yeah. In May nineteen fifty nine, some

569
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: queer folks were hanging out at a twenty four hour

570
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: donuts shop called Cooper Donuts on skid Row. And this

571
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: place was right between two different gay bars and was

572
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: totally fine with this clientele. It was a twenty four

573
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: hour donut shop between two gay bars. That's who you know.

574
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: Probably who fucking worked there, I don't know. So the

575
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: cops came in, which were fucking with people one night,

576
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: and one night they came in, they were fucking with

577
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: two drag queens, two male sex workers, and a guy

578
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: who was just outlook to get laid and So the

579
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: cops arrest a bunch of people, including this Mexican American

580
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: author John Retchie, and people watching this are like, no, no,

581
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: you're just you're just not actually gonna do that. So

582
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: they start throwing coffee and donuts and trash at the cops.

583
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that is incredible. That's the right that

584
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: I want to enjoy. That's great. That's so good. Coffee

585
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: and donuts particularly at cops, which is like they have

586
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: that whole fucking stereotype because and then it works. They

587
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: drive the cops off with no one getting arrested. And

588
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: it's usually presented as the first gay riot, And U asked,

589
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: I don't have any counter argument, and I yeah, I

590
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: love that it's throwing down. It's a cops are trying

591
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: to arrest a Mexican man and some cross dressers and

592
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: sex workers, and they fucking what and they fucking won.

593
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: That's amazing. I'm so glad you told me about that.

594
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: The visuals in my brain are so beautiful. Yeah, okay,

595
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: this next one's real good too. Hell yeah, Okay. August fifth,

596
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty one in Milwaukee, which I misspelled in my script,

597
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: nied you know who cares? Yeah, no One. Four Navy assholes.

598
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: They show up at a dare at an illegal gay

599
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: bar called Black Night. It was illegal asn't it didn't

600
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: bother having a liquor license. The four Navy guys they

601
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: refused to show idea to the bouncer, so the bouncer

602
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: was like, sorry, buds, you're leaving. You might enough hraise

603
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: it that politely. I don't know, so all four of

604
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: them jumped the bouncer. What they didn't take into account

605
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: was that the bouncer happened to be married to Josie

606
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: fucking Carter, a black drag queen who was ex Navy herself,

607
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: who was there to perform. She actually lived full time

608
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: as a woman, but it didn't identify as trends. She

609
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: had a parrot with her, just to set the scene.

610
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: Know that she always went to the bar with her parrot.

611
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: This is incredible. Josie fucking Carter, I'm adding that middle name,

612
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: walks out of a walks out with a beer bottle

613
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: on each hand, and just fucks up the Navy guys.

614
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: To quote her, this man turned on me. I thought,

615
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: I can't let him put his hands on me. He

616
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: was big and he kept coming at me. I thought

617
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: he would kill me in that moment, I could fight

618
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: off an army in a bathrobe. I let him have

619
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: everything that was in that bottle. He went down. That's amazing.

620
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: So the Navy guys fuck off and take the bottled

621
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: guy to the hospital. So a dozen more navy fucks

622
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: show up. They like, go and get their friends. They're like, well,

623
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,959
Speaker 1: we're gonna go up these quarters. Yeah. In the bar,

624
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: everyone's like, oh shit, what do we do? Do we run?

625
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: Josie says about it later a quote, But we did

626
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: not run from a fight. We did not run from nothing.

627
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: What a badess. Huh beer bottle? Yeah, it's probably at

628
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: the bar, but you know, yeah yeah, I mean yeah yeah.

629
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: So twelve Navy guys show up and they just start

630
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: literally tearing the bar apart, like I think it's like

631
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: a makeshift bar or something, and seventy five gay patrons

632
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: just fuck them up. Um, a bunch of people on

633
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: both sides get hospitalized. The cops kind of miraculously they

634
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: arrest the Navy guys and not the bar patrons. Wow,

635
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: but the charges are dropped the time I know, I know,

636
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: but the charges are dropped immediately. Say yeah, um, but

637
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 1: at least the gay folks defending themselves don't go to jail. Yeah,

638
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: all right, another riot San Francisco. Now are all amazing.

639
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: I think there's always something that makes it like crazy,

640
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,439
Speaker 1: and I know that the parrot, the donuts, yeah, like yeah, yeah.

641
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: Just the fact that she was like a Navy X person,

642
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: just like yeah, totally next ride on the list, San Francisco,

643
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,280
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty six. It's in the Tenderloin district, which apparently

644
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: gets his name from basically being the district where cops

645
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: can get bought off through like old timey slang. I've

646
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: always wondered that that's what it's from. It's from a

647
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: New York thing, um, tender Loin. I've always wondered the

648
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: origin of that, that's you know, And now I'm like,

649
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: I can't. I like looked up the exact origin and

650
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: then like summarized it that way, and I'm like, yeah,

651
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: but that doesn't Oh well, whatever, my bad memory. Whatever,

652
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: let's go with it. Yeah. Tenderloin In in San Francisco

653
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: the center of LGBT community in San Francisco at the time.

654
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,439
Speaker 1: It was also home to a large number of trans

655
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: women doing sex work there. Weren't a lot of jobs

656
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: available to non passing trans women then, unlike now. It

657
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: is better now, but it's not fucking easy as a

658
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: slightly yeah, like you know, it's like it's still a

659
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: point of contention unfortunately. Yeah, totally. Um. And also trans

660
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: women and cross dusters often weren't welcome at gay bars,

661
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: and we're gonna talk more about that later when we

662
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: talk about Stonewall. But like basically a lot of bars

663
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: were like no, this is for you know, there is

664
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: also like a discrimination with the same community that's sucks.

665
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: And it's hard to tell how much is like a no,

666
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: we're respectable, and how much is a know, what you're

667
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: doing illegal and we don't want the heat. So it's

668
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: hard to know whether it was like bigotry or cowardice

669
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: or some combination of the two. You know, it's either way. Yeah, stupid.

670
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: Neither are words that I like ascribed to me, you know,

671
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: I mean, like, just you're ostracizing and like, yeah, singling

672
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: out a group it's already so in need of defense

673
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:25,439
Speaker 1: or like I don't know whatever totally, and if you're

674
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: in need of defense is one of our ads Sometimes

675
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: simply safe. I'm just I'm trying to make it. I

676
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe let's ads are a thing that support

677
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: this podcast. Um, you don't have to listen to them.

678
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: I don't care. There's a forward button on your thing

679
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: that's a secret. Oh right, No, I mean you must listen.

680
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: Keep wondering if I remember, gonna get in trouble. So

681
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 1: he's not a sop. He's never stopped me either. And

682
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 1: we're back from those ads that we all care deeply about,

683
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: and you listen to the whole way through. That's right.

684
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: So no one cared about the street workers in the Tenderloin,

685
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: at least no one at an institutional level. They were

686
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: a combination of everything cops don't care about. They were

687
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 1: poor people, people of color, trans people, gay people, sex workers,

688
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: homeless people. They any one of these things is enough

689
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 1: to get you treated like shit, and a lot of

690
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: them were all of these things. So there's this chain

691
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: store cafe called Compton's Cafeteria, and it had a location

692
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 1: in the Tenderloin. It's twenty four hours. It becomes a

693
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: social hangout for trans workers, for trans sex workers in particular,

694
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: and the owners suck and they keep calling the cops

695
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: on them and getting them arrested for female impersonating the law.

696
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 1: That would have sounded old timey if we'd written this

697
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 1: only a year ago, but is now back on the books.

698
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: And I think I could get arrested for going to

699
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: the grocery store in Tennessee right now. That is so scary, genuinely, yeah,

700
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: do we ever? Humans don't change, society never changes. It's

701
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: genuinely the same. It's like groundhog Day, it really is.

702
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: I think we've had moments, long moments of good and

703
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: there's so many societies that aren't poisoned by Western stuff. Yeah,

704
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, it's good to remember that our world

705
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: is not the world. I guess that's a good point. Yeah,

706
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: but I no, I do agree that there has been

707
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: stretches of goodness. I just when when you're reminded of

708
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,439
Speaker 1: like the badness that's still there, it's just fucking upsetting. Yeah,

709
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: of course it is. I don't know. Yeah. In August

710
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty six, the queens are hanging out doing their

711
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: thing at Compton's when the cops show up and try

712
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: and arrest this lady. So she throws a cup of

713
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: coffee in the CoP's face. People just kind of fucking

714
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 1: blew up all their pent up rage. Tables are flying everywhere,

715
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: cops are getting pummeled with high heels and purses, the

716
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: windows are broken out, the fight moves into the street,

717
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: a cop car gets smashed up, and at the end

718
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: of it, Compton's go on, I'm just like smiling board. Yeah,

719
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: I know, it's great, it's great, you know, and it's

720
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, I can imagine you've just been putting

721
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,439
Speaker 1: up with a ship for so long. You know, there's

722
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: like purses at high heels and like, yeah, starting it

723
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: off with a cup of coffee. I'm the next Ryan

724
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: I go to. I will bring a company up a

725
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: coffee because I think that's the most amazing thing. A donut.

726
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: Just yeah, fuck you, Oh my god. I think it

727
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 1: was during the altar globalization stuff. There's these pictures of

728
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: I think it's in Canada, anarchists in black block with

729
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: them donuts on fishing polesh tangling them in front of

730
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: the cop That is so funny. It was so funny.

731
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 1: So Compton's bans the trans community for good after this,

732
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: and so no one went there anymore and it went

733
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 1: out of business. Hell m, that's what you fucking get

734
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: you assholes. Wait, so I interrupted you. Unfortunately I do

735
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: that sometimes I pologize. But you were talking about the

736
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: car getting smash. Is that like what happened after that? Yeah,

737
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: they kind of like the I don't have the like

738
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: specifics about how the riot, but were they like a

739
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 1: like I don't know, I don't know. Um, I I

740
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: found a bunch of I don't know because I have

741
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: a bad memory and I didn't put it in the script.

742
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: That is the ends. Well, I'm going to believe that

743
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: they drove the cops away, so that yeah, that's my take. Yeah,

744
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: and I know that there was like, um, there's this

745
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: whole other part of this where this uh radical queer

746
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: group was also like picketing and stuff at the place.

747
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: I just it ended up being like a level of

748
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: complexity more than I was going to include in the script.

749
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: But and all of this and the riot also it's

750
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: spark change. It's kind of like a it's funny, as

751
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: I would say, mini Stonewall, the riot was about the

752
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: same size as stone Wall, as I think maybe maybe

753
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: it was smaller, but like it had this like fairly

754
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 1: major local impact in that people knew that the queer

755
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: people fought back. Yeah, and also more services and stuff

756
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: started appearing and being built and like not being destroyed

757
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: as part of trying to make things better. Then one more.

758
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: This one's unfortunately a one sided police riot. LA. The

759
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: next year, nineteen sixty seven, the Black Cat Tavern, And

760
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: there's this new gay bar. It's doing this thing. It's

761
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: New Year's. As the year changes, some gay people kissed

762
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: each other. Just terrible thing, be awful gay kissing. Just

763
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: don't just don't think about that right now and smile.

764
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: That would be a terrible thing. Some gay people kissed

765
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,959
Speaker 1: on fucking New Years. So undercover cops in the crowd

766
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: just started beating the shit out of everyone, beat people unconscious,

767
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: arrested people. Customers fled to a nearby gay bar, where

768
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: cops found them and arrested them, being like, no, I

769
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: saw you two kiss I'm going to personally track you

770
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 1: through the streets. They have nothing better to do than

771
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: to go undercover at a fucking New Year's party at

772
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: a bar. Yeah, Like, are you shitting me? Yeah, they're

773
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: all fucking clown I know. I don't want to insult clowns. No, Yeah,

774
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,439
Speaker 1: And two of the men who kissed on New year's

775
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: became registered sex offenders, and the Supreme Court refused to

776
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 1: hear their case. They argued that they had the right

777
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: to equal protection under the law. The law did not

778
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:23,439
Speaker 1: agree with them. In response, this is the first group

779
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 1: I found called Pride, A group called Pride Personal Rights

780
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 1: in Defense and Education, which is the most bullshit accurate

781
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: the Personal Rights and Defense or whatever. It's Pride. A

782
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: group called Pride. They threw a protest and about two

783
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: hundred people showed up, and it was orderly because there

784
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: was it was way the fun contained by a very

785
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: militant lipd that Basically they're like, oh my god, the

786
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: homos are organizing and like, and this is seen as

787
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 1: one of the first protests for gay rights. I mean

788
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: there's other like small pickets and stuff like that, you know,

789
00:42:54,800 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: but this is um yeah, and organizational gay rights activists

790
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: also did a lot of stuff during this time. It

791
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: goes a little bit uncredited because it wasn't riots or

792
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: guess sort of dismissed as less radical because it was

793
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: less radical frankly, and I'm less interested in it, but

794
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: it's important. The Madachine Society, for example, got the Mayor

795
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: of New York to stop the policy ofven trapping gay

796
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: men for solicitation, and that fucking matters, you know, it

797
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: really does. In April nineteen sixty five, some folks from

798
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: the Mach Society led the first gay rights protest of

799
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: the White House. And I think this includes that guy

800
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: Frank we were talking about way at the beginning. Now

801
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 1: I said, just like woven into everything that isn't a riot.

802
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: In nineteen sixty seven, a man named Jack Nichols was

803
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: one of the first Americans to get on TV and

804
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: to be basically like, yeah, I'm gay, what do you want?

805
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: And he did this like he was a bit of

806
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: a like there's some contentious stuff about him that I

807
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: don't remember well enough to go into, but he did

808
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 1: this even though his dad was a fucking FBI agent

809
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 1: who said he would kill his own son if the

810
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: government ever found out that he was gay, Like if

811
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,280
Speaker 1: the son was gay, he was like, I will fucking

812
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,439
Speaker 1: murder you if you come out, and that Jack the son,

813
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: he did it anyway, and he got fired from the

814
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: hotel he worked out the next day. So people are

815
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,919
Speaker 1: like they'll talk about they'll be like, oh, the first

816
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 1: game in on TV, the big Landmark or whatever, not.

817
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: This man could have been murdered by his father and

818
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: was fired from his job. So Jack goes on to

819
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 1: found Gay Magazine in nineteen sixty nine, the first weekly

820
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: gay newspaper in the US, and as protests in the

821
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: US in general are starting to heat up, especially around

822
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: civil rights in the Vietnam War. Basically like, you start

823
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: seeing shit change about what people think is how people

824
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: should protest in things, and you start getting the first

825
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: regular recurring marches, the kind of thing that later becomes

826
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: the Pride marches. In a way, people like to argue

827
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,760
Speaker 1: about the exact lineage because everyone wants to fucking own pride.

828
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 1: Everyone wants to be like, no, it was us, No,

829
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: it was them, No, it was fucking all of us.

830
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: What do you fucking want? I'm like, can't we all

831
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: be happy that we're gay and alive and be proud

832
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 1: of all the gay dead people who came before us

833
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: as fucking literal battering rams. Yeah, I mean, in fighting

834
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: is always just what the bad guys always want. You're

835
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: doing the work for them basically over yeah, yeah, but

836
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:13,439
Speaker 1: the hateful meetings wat, you're doing their work for them. Yep.

837
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,439
Speaker 1: So there's criminal gays and respectable gays and gay people

838
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: of every gender and every type involved in all this

839
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: shit and these early gay marches, and they're called Annual Reminders,

840
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 1: which is kind of morbid and beautiful. They were held

841
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,240
Speaker 1: every July fourth from nineteen sixty five to nineteen sixty

842
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: nine in Philiate Independence Hall, which is the building that

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Speaker 1: the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution came from. And

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Speaker 1: they were organized by the Matachean Society, the Daughters of Bolitis,

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Speaker 1: and the Janis Society, coming together as echo the East

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Speaker 1: Coast homophile organizations. The only modern group I can think

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Speaker 1: of with as good of a naming convention is the

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Speaker 1: Journal Baden, which is named after the medieval English sort

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Speaker 1: of third sex transwomen or gay men anyway. Interesting these

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Speaker 1: Annual Reminders, they're very serious affairs. A dress code was enforced,

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Speaker 1: jackets and ties for the boys, dresses for the women.

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Speaker 1: Gays were supposed to be presentable and employable. They didn't

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Speaker 1: have huge churnouts because they're boring. Forty people or so

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Speaker 1: came the last one, July fourth, nineteen sixty nine. Two

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Speaker 1: women broke ranks from it and held hands and one

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Speaker 1: of the organizers was like, no, you can't do that

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Speaker 1: and tried to like separate the women holding hands. That

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Speaker 1: this is why I talked shit assimilation of stuff. It's silly. Oh,

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Speaker 1: it's stupid. It's like you're really doing the work of

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Speaker 1: your oppressors. That's through all it is. It's really backwards

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Speaker 1: that you lose the plot. That's what happens. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: totally And by nineteen sixty nine, this time for solemn

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Speaker 1: annual reminders was over. The time for gay liberation had

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Speaker 1: begun because of something that had happened one week earlier,

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Speaker 1: from July fourth, nineteen sixty nine, a thing that people

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Speaker 1: remember more than solemn picketing. People remember when people threw

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Speaker 1: fucking molotovs at cops who tried to arrest them for

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Speaker 1: cross dressing and kissing other boys or ever. People remember

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Speaker 1: the stonewall fucking riots, which we will talk about next week.

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Speaker 1: Who don't google anything, Yeah, or talk to any other person. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: no spoilers. Yeah, but that was good. I always learned

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Speaker 1: so much, like not to not to show on any

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Speaker 1: other podcasts. But I I'm always so engaged when you're

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Speaker 1: explaining stuff because I don't know, you just do it. Well.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's because it's a good stuff too. Maybe I

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Speaker 1: just don't want to remember the bad stuff, so I'm

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Speaker 1: like to get out. But but I really think I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I it's funny to be recorded as I

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Speaker 1: learned stuff. But I'm glad. I again, I'm representing the

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Speaker 1: dummies out there. I'm you and you're me, and it's okay. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's okay. And I was a dummy about all of

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Speaker 1: this last week. You know. That makes me feel like

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Speaker 1: a less dummy. Yeah. Yeah. People are like, wow, how

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Speaker 1: do you know everything? I'm like this every week I

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Speaker 1: read like two rats and like a ton of articles.

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Speaker 1: I am excited to learn how we upgraded from coffee

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Speaker 1: to Molotov cocktails because that's pretty oh yeah, pretty nice.

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Speaker 1: That is That is an escalation, I do confess, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: which is why if you ever need to now, we

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Speaker 1: already did that joke about making molotovs h But if

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Speaker 1: people want to make connection with your work, that was

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Speaker 1: that was you stumbled. But I will accept this. I

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Speaker 1: will I will pick you back up. Thank you. Um

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Speaker 1: uh yeah. You can follow me on the internet. My

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Speaker 1: Twitter is Shiro hero six six six because fill in

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Speaker 1: the blank, and then my Instagram is just Shiro Hero

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I made like a video essay recently that

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Speaker 1: if you want to watch it. That's what my brain

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Speaker 1: is on. It's called how can I be present when

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Speaker 1: photographs exist? And that's what I've been struggling with for

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Speaker 1: the last several months. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, it's also present.

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Speaker 1: It's especially important because Shiro Hero. The six to sixty

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Speaker 1: six comes from Shiro's birth year six six six, because

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Speaker 1: Shiro here is actually one of the original daughters of

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Speaker 1: Politis the Vampire. I was supposed to be revealed in

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Speaker 1: the last episode. But thank you for I mean, it's okay,

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Speaker 1: it's okay. It's good that they know, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: good that they know. Um. But yes, that is correct, Margaret,

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Speaker 1: thank you. Yeah. And if you want to follow me

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Speaker 1: on the internet, you can do so at Magpie Killjoy

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Speaker 1: on Twitter, or you can follow me on Instagram, where

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Speaker 1: I talk less about history and politics and more about

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Speaker 1: why I like my dog at Margaret Killjoy. And I

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Speaker 1: have a book out called Escape from Insul Island, and

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Speaker 1: I have a bunch of bands. One of them is

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Speaker 1: called Feminis School Band Camp, Feminist black Metal. And we

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Speaker 1: will see you all next week when we when you

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Speaker 1: all listen to our first or partner, or you already

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Speaker 1: listened half of it, see y'all soon. Yeahys, aren't sick

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