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Speaker 3: dot com. Turning now to Mitch McConnell.

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Speaker 1: Is he alive? Nobody knows? Well, I guess some people.

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Speaker 4: Now we have some great news for the audio.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Well, according to Scott Jennings, he may certainly

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Speaker 3: still be alive. And here he is on CNN where

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Speaker 3: he claims that he spoke with Mitch McConnell for twenty

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Speaker 3: minutes and he was totally cojin But when asked, can

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Speaker 3: we get him on the phone right now?

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Speaker 1: Crickets, let's take a listen.

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Speaker 5: Do you think he'd be willing to call into the show,

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Speaker 5: could we get him on the phone?

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Speaker 6: Now, you know, I wasn't really expecting him to call

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Speaker 6: the morning, to be honest, So when the phone rang

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Speaker 6: and I was able to talk to him, I was

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Speaker 6: I was frankly pretty grateful. I mean, as as I said,

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Speaker 6: I've known him since I was a teenager. If it

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Speaker 6: hadn't been for Mitch McConnell and the McConnell's Center at

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Speaker 6: the University of Louisville, you know, I would never have

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Speaker 6: been able to go to college. He's been my mentor,

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Speaker 6: and he changed the trajectory of my life. So you know,

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Speaker 6: when things happened to him and happened to people in

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Speaker 6: your life that you really care about, you know, you

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Speaker 6: just sort of naturally feel extremely worried. So when I

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Speaker 6: heard his voice today and he was clearly keeping up

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Speaker 6: with stuff, that made me happy to hear from him, because,

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Speaker 6: like everybody else, I've been, you know, somewhat in the

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Speaker 6: dark about it. But to hear him talking and that

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Speaker 6: know that he's also talking to the Senate leadership, it

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Speaker 6: made me pretty happy.

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Speaker 5: The mega media ecosphere, shall we say, has been driving

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Speaker 5: a lot of the questions about where Mitch McConnell has

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Speaker 5: been and what has happened to him. You, of course,

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Speaker 5: are in tune with that in the role you have

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Speaker 5: on your radio show. Do you think they should put

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Speaker 5: out a picture of Mitch McConnell, that he should release

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Speaker 5: more of the public to quiet this noise?

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Speaker 6: Yeah? I think I think Al had a good point

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Speaker 6: about McConnell's general disposition towards privacy. I sometimes wonder, like

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Speaker 6: if I were laying in a hospital bed, but I

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Speaker 6: want a bunch of.

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Speaker 1: People around photographing me.

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Speaker 6: Probably not, particularly if I were an eighty four year

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Speaker 6: old person who's normally private about his health. Probably not.

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Speaker 6: But I look, I take the criticism. I think it's

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Speaker 6: a fair question about transparency. I think it's a fair

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Speaker 6: question about whether they've done enough. But ultimately, these office holders,

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Speaker 6: you know, they're they're in charge of their own operations,

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Speaker 6: and and you know it may be somebody around him

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Speaker 6: says let's put out a picture and he doesn't want

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Speaker 6: to do it. I think I think that's a that's

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Speaker 6: a fair observation from Al. But all I can tell

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Speaker 6: you today is all the rumors about him being dead

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Speaker 6: or brain dead, or you know, being his body's being

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Speaker 6: hidden somewhere. I've seen all kinds of crazy things on

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Speaker 6: the internet. That's obviously not true, because he picked up

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Speaker 6: the phone and called me, and that was a that

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Speaker 3: That was a really long way of saying, No, I

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Speaker 3: can't get him on.

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Speaker 1: The phone, right Yeah, for a picture or a picture

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Speaker 4: I don't want to accuse you of lying, but because

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Speaker 4: that's an extraordinary thing to lie about. But that is,

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Speaker 4: this is so weird. So and now obviously now.

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Speaker 3: So our producer Mac thinks that there's an AIM campaign

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Speaker 1: That's not good for I'm.

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Speaker 4: Just floating Miss mccon's first.

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Speaker 3: He thinks that there's like somebody using it, which I mean,

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Speaker 3: it is possible in today's day, and who would put

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Speaker 3: it's so many of these Who was the guy walking

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Speaker 1: No Wickers still I think he's still all there. No

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Speaker 3: Everyone knew that he was. Everyone knew that and nobody

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Speaker 4: Was walking on with a diaper.

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Speaker 3: It was only afterwards, after I think he resign or

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Speaker 3: a long time, Like, well, it would have been nice

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Speaker 3: how could you put it above? Really like some sort

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Speaker 3: of lying campaign. Again, I'm not alleging in it any

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Speaker 1: Them up here.

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Speaker 3: This became a meme online. Is for example, like before

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Speaker 3: Scott went on the air, he said, I spoke to

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Speaker 3: my old friend Mitch McConnell this morning, the senior senator

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Speaker 3: from Kentucky, still recovering in the hospital. We talked just

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Speaker 3: sh I have twenty minutes about Iran, Ukraine all caps

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Speaker 3: for some reason, the unfolding situation in Maine, all caps,

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Speaker 3: my visit to the tr Presidential Library, and even a

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Speaker 3: little bit of Senate history. I told him we want

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Speaker 3: to see him back at work. As soon as possible.

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Speaker 3: And then there was also another statement that put out

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Speaker 3: from Senator Barasso. Senator Barasso and Senator McConnell had a

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Speaker 3: lengthy conversation early this afternoon. Their phone call lasted twenty minutes.

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Speaker 3: They caught up about the latest news impacting state Senate races, etc.

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Speaker 1: Et cetera.

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Speaker 3: McConnell is fully engaged, as fully an eager to get

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Speaker 3: back to the Senate, and so they claim. But now

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Speaker 3: we have this new statement from the governor, we could

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Speaker 3: put that one up there on the screen, guys, where

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Speaker 3: the Democratic Governor of Kentucky has now sent a letter

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Speaker 3: to the office of Mitch McConnell requesting an update on

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Speaker 3: his health and proof being one proof of life and

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Speaker 3: made growing concerns around the senator's ability to serve. We

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Speaker 3: have not yet received that statement.

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Speaker 4: So Thomas Massey has also come in and said that

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Speaker 4: he has spoken with McConnell. Yes, he posted, he said,

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Speaker 4: I spoke to McConnell for about twenty minutes this morning.

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Speaker 4: He said we should end the war with Iran, quit

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Speaker 4: giving aid to Israel, stop spying on Americans without a warrant,

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Speaker 4: and he's really sorry about how my primary turned out.

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Speaker 4: Since then, McConnell has not disputed the characterization of Massey

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Speaker 4: of this alleged phone call. Hassan Piker twitch streamer also said,

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Speaker 4: I can read his post. He said, just got off

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Speaker 4: the phone with miss McConnell. We had phone sex.

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Speaker 1: Oh, so he could deny it.

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Speaker 4: McConnell of course could deny this. It wasn't true.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, McConnell's should come out and he could deny it.

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Speaker 3: Of course we have not yet, and.

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Speaker 4: This tweet has three million views. So if McConnell is scrolling,

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Speaker 4: he has seen this and has yet to deny it.

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Speaker 4: Let's pit see for what was Producer Max produser Mac

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Speaker 4: had a good one too.

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Speaker 1: I hadn't seen his Mac.

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Speaker 3: You could send yours and we'll read it here on

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Speaker 3: the air. After I read this statement from Elaine Chow.

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Speaker 3: So Elaine Choo, his wife, the daughter of a Taiwanese

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Speaker 3: billionaire with deep ties to the Chinese Communist Party, who

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Speaker 3: recently just took a trip to China while her husband

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Speaker 3: was languishing in the hospital at eighty four years old,

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Speaker 3: two days after heart attack. Truly loved to see a

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Speaker 3: good love story here at the end, It's just like

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Speaker 3: the notebook, but she releases a statement saying the Secretary

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Speaker 3: her family's philanthropic endeavors. During the trip, she met with

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Speaker 3: a number of people, including the US ambassador. The senator's

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Speaker 3: health did not warrant an immediate return to the United States.

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Speaker 4: It could be read multiple ways.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they added, Chow has since returned from her trip.

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Speaker 1: Is back in the.

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Speaker 3: United States, not in Kentucky, that can be United States.

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Speaker 3: Her staff did not say if she's been in contact

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Speaker 3: with McConnell since returning home. You have to read Max, Okay,

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Speaker 3: what is it? What does he got? He says, just

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Speaker 3: got off the phone with Mitch McConnell. He told me, ah, shit,

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Speaker 3: it's hot. Fuck, there's so much fire. Oh that's good,

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Speaker 3: all right, got.

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Speaker 4: Too soon, But it's not too soon because he's alive

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Speaker 4: and well. The only reason this is funny as because

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Speaker 4: we know that he's alive and well and yeah, recovery

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Speaker 4: said joke. And he will return to work his old

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Speaker 3: Let's put the lyes Les put Ce five up here

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Speaker 3: on this screen inside the McConnell health Rumor Mill. This

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I can hear what they.

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Speaker 3: Say is Senate GOP leaders say they have spoken with McConnell.

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Speaker 3: As speculation swirls among MAGA influencers about the Kentucky Republicans health,

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Speaker 3: McConnell has been hospitalized for roughly three weeks no information

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Speaker 3: spoken with him. They had lengthy and substantive conversation. However,

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Speaker 3: influential MAGA voices have fueled speculation about his health status.

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Speaker 3: Laura Lumer has claimed, without evidence, the senator is brain

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Speaker 3: dead and hoked up to machines.

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Speaker 1: She is now alleging a cover up.

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Speaker 3: Glenn Beck says we need the truth about Mitch McConnell now.

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Speaker 1: It's unacceptable.

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Speaker 3: The party spent four years sizing Joe Biden's health is

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Speaker 3: now silent on mcconnald's. Under Kentucky state law, if the

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Speaker 3: Senate vacancy were to occur before August third, the special

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Speaker 3: election would be held quickly to fell the seat, Whereas

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Speaker 3: if a vacancy were to occur after August third, then

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Speaker 3: the Senator would be elected in November as planned, And

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Speaker 3: so obviously that's pretty important, especially in the midst of

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Speaker 3: the EMS call cardiac arrests audio that we played for

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Speaker 3: all of you. By the way, Trump is either in

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Speaker 3: on it or doesn't want to say. He was asked

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Speaker 3: yesterday a board Air Force one, do you know anything

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Speaker 3: about McConnell's health, and he said, I haven't spoken to him,

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Speaker 4: So Trump is at once the biggest liar on the planet.

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Speaker 4: But also you can't lie.

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Speaker 1: Yes, sometimes, yeah, you can't lie.

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Speaker 3: Right, That was the most that was In my opinion,

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Speaker 3: that was a very revealing thing because if he actually was,

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Speaker 3: you know, very healthy or whatever and was talking to people,

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Speaker 3: he would assume he would call the president. Look, I

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Speaker 3: have no idea. His wife is in China. It's weird

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Speaker 3: cardiac arrest. You only got three people aimed to have

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Speaker 3: no updates from his Health's been three weeks in the hospital.

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Speaker 3: He's an eighty four year old man. It's all very

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Speaker 3: very sketchy, sketchy. All right, let's get to Abdullah said.

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Speaker 4: The two remaining Senate candidates for the Democratic primary in

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Speaker 4: Michigan met for a debate this week. Abdul Elsaiad pressed

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Speaker 7: Explain what you've given away for APOC support in this race,

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Speaker 8: No one owns my vote and no one owns my policies.

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Speaker 8: Anyone who is contributing to my Senate campaign is doing

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Speaker 1: That was Romney.

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Speaker 4: He wrote that op ed Romney Robin. It really hurt Romney.

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Speaker 4: It's twenty twelve campaign. But internally Roma men had said

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Speaker 9: Congresswoman Haley Stevens, she's running for Senate in Michigan, said,

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Speaker 10: Have you.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's it's made her uncomfortable because she can't stand

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Speaker 9: You know, he's not She's I mean, I just want

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Speaker 8: It is very clear that mister Netnyahu has not made

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Speaker 8: This is why he was just trashing me today on CNN.

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Speaker 4: And so Sagar and the lead into that question, Dana

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Speaker 3: By the way, is that this raw Emmanuel Hailey Stephens

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Speaker 4: Because she had a debate that night against Abdul al Sayad.

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Speaker 4: It was her biggest defense against the fact that Apak

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Speaker 1: Right zoom out right.

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Speaker 3: Is that Dana Bash asked the question about Hayley Stephens

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Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe Dana Bash didn't know there was a debate

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Speaker 4: that night. Maybe it was a coincidence. In any event,

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Speaker 4: it was a very fortunate turn of events for Haley Stevens.

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Speaker 4: Now she also takes an enormous amount of corporate money,

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Speaker 7: To get their way and now you can buy a

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and it's the only reason you haven't released your

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I took the same extension that the congressman took

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Speaker 3: Returns extend.

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Speaker 8: There's a problem putting money in your pocketbook.

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Speaker 4: Right, So she's hitting him on having a filthy rich

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Speaker 4: that purports to believe in some sort of galitarian as right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, seeing on paper, if you ever look at a

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Speaker 1: What? How is that exactly?

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Speaker 4: I thought we had a progressive tax system.

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Speaker 3: And you said so much they're paying nothing in taxes. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: That's why Trump paid nothing for like twenty fours. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: So Meddi Hassan hit him on this a little bit.

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Speaker 10: Ailey Stevens has also attacked you and Mike Rodgers for

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Speaker 10: being millionaires who, she says, conveniently did not file their

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Speaker 10: Was this to avoid transparency with your vehters? Why not

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Speaker 7: No, just taxes get complicated my wife and her family

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Speaker 10: She said, you're a millionaire and you're hiding that.

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Speaker 7: Well, if you take my assets and hur my wife's

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Speaker 1: He's also he's sitting on a boatload rich.

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Speaker 4: Rich people always extend anyway, right, So they don't file

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Speaker 3: Exactly, and you have to pay in April, right, rich

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Speaker 3: Can I give a defense here of Abdul I was

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Speaker 1: Rich wife populism is as old as time.

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Speaker 3: If you look at some of the reformers throughout their

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Speaker 3: You've got Richie Stunach, right, I mean he's not a populist,

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Speaker 4: Cole Marx's wife is doing pretty well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, her father, Lennon's wife, I forget. I don't think so.

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Speaker 4: No, she was a revolutionary, right, But I mean it

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Speaker 3: Stuff very common, right, And you need a gentried, rich

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Speaker 4: You know, I support rich.

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Speaker 1: What's wrong with that?

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Speaker 3: Like Frederick Engels, Frederick Engels, you're exactly right. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: I have a total defense here of Abden of Abdul

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Speaker 1: He's not him sitting around doing this.

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Speaker 3: But he's like what he is he gonna do? He's

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Speaker 1: It's her money.

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Speaker 4: He's literally trying to pass federal legislation right to.

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Speaker 4: surgeon rather than a public health official. And that was

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Speaker 4: his He was the public health official for the state

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Speaker 4: of Michigan. He was widely credited as having done a

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Speaker 4: good job. That's been his kind of his calling card

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Speaker 4: in the campaign. But that means he also has never

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Speaker 4: been a practicing physician. Meddi. The right wing has been

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Speaker 4: beating him up on that. Helly Stephens consultants have been

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Speaker 4: beating him up on that. I don't quite think that

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Speaker 4: one lands Medi went back and forth him a little

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Speaker 4: bit on that. Let's roll D five.

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Speaker 10: You got attacked by your rivals for calling yourself a physician,

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Speaker 10: not just a doctor, even though you don't have a

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Speaker 10: valid state medical license in New York or Michigan, which

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Speaker 10: apparently is what you need legally to call yourself a physician.

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Speaker 10: Do you wish you'd just stuck to calling yourself a doctor,

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Speaker 10: which you are, to avoid all of this controversy and

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Speaker 10: attacks on your physicians.

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Speaker 7: You know, at the end of the day, it's not

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Speaker 7: about whether or not I'm a physician or a doctor.

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Speaker 7: The question is can you see doctor? It's not about

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Speaker 7: my education. It's about whether not your kid gives a

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Speaker 7: good education, so time.

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Speaker 10: But people would say it's also about did you tell

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Speaker 10: the truth?

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Speaker 7: Well, I would say that I was the health director

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Speaker 7: for the city Detroit, and I've done more to provide

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Speaker 7: more people health care or eliminate their medical debt than

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Speaker 7: most the doctors have done in their practice career.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how I feel.

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Speaker 4: So it was a Detroit, I said statewide. I thought

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Speaker 4: it was wide like Detroit.

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Speaker 3: Full tuition scholarship to the University of Michigan Medical School.

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Speaker 3: Did in two years there, he led the mission, then

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Speaker 3: went on to receive an MD. Yet did that in

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Speaker 3: twenty fourteen. He completed an MD at Columbia University, so

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Speaker 3: he has an MD, but he did not He also

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Speaker 3: went to Oxford. Yeah, it looks like he did. He

476
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Speaker 3: did a Rohose scholar a Rhodes scholarship, so he is

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Speaker 3: very highly educated.

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Speaker 1: We'll give it.

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Speaker 4: The guy's got the credentials.

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Speaker 1: But he is not a doctor.

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Speaker 3: Or if he's an MD, so the doctor is going

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Speaker 3: to get urias of me. He's an MD, but he's

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Speaker 3: not a board certified physician because he didn't do residency

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Speaker 3: or he didn't complete residency. Remember this was a controversy

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Speaker 3: with the Surgeon General woman who Withdrew Casey means because

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Speaker 3: she also never completed residency and she was going to

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Speaker 3: be a These are the scholar, no doubt, doctors get

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Speaker 3: very upset about these types of things about when I

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Speaker 3: get it, you all worked very very hard, you know,

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Speaker 3: just zooming out a little bit and looking at the

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Speaker 3: polling before we go to the property tax stuff, Ryan, what.

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Speaker 4: Is HD in public health at Oxford? If that makes sense?

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Speaker 4: But then the mds so many credittions.

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Speaker 3: What is your take here about these types of attacks

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Speaker 3: on Alsaiet because I mean, we shouldn't we shouldn't misrepresent

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Speaker 3: it like they are tied virtually in the pulse right,

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Speaker 3: it does seem to be a battle between the old

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Speaker 3: and the young Alsai. It's favorables with young people are astronomical.

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Speaker 3: So he's got a lot of the activists on his side,

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Speaker 3: and he's trying to do some more crossover appill with

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Speaker 3: old people, which we'll talk.

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Speaker 1: About it for in a second.

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Speaker 4: Turns out he wants to win.

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Speaker 1: He wants to win.

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Speaker 3: But just before we you know, do our fun segment

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Speaker 3: about property tax like, what's your read on the race

507
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Speaker 3: as it stands now? Like, how do you think she

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Speaker 3: came out of the debate? Especially looks he got some

509
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Speaker 3: great hits on her. But these have been really boosted

510
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Speaker 3: by the Republic. That's what we're showing it to you.

511
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Speaker 3: These Mandy Hassen clips, they're all over social media and

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Speaker 3: Michigan Mahaley Stevens campaign as well. Who are really using

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Speaker 3: them to attack ELSI? It's credibility. So I'm curious what

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Speaker 3: you think.

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 4: I mean, with enough money, everything makes something of a dent.

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Speaker 4: And I didn't think that was a great answer. It doesn't.

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Speaker 4: It was he had this can line, It doesn't matter

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Speaker 4: about my education. It matters about your kids education. It's

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Speaker 4: like if you went if you have a PhD in

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Speaker 4: an MD, and you went to your Rhodes scholar and

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Speaker 4: you went to Oxford and University of Michigan Medical School,

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Speaker 4: go ahead and say that, like, because they're going to

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Speaker 4: imply like people are going to take away from that. Oh,

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Speaker 4: he didn't even go to medical school, right. It's like

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Speaker 4: if you went to medical school and got a PhD

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Speaker 4: in public health and you were the City of Detroit's

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Speaker 4: public health director. What are we talking about. You're obviously

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Speaker 4: a doctor here, but it's you know, now it's a

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Speaker 4: head to head match, and she's going to be able

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Speaker 4: to outspend him through super Pac support significantly from not

532
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Speaker 4: a Democracy Project, APAC, super Pac plus, you know, the

533
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Speaker 4: entire kind of world that doesn't want to see el

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Speaker 4: Side's politics dominate. They're trying to use Platner against him, which.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's that's very much been happening because they share

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Speaker 3: because he's a manology Well no, no, it's because he

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Speaker 3: has the same type of online supporters. And actually that's

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Speaker 3: the next thing I want to put up. Can we

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Speaker 3: put up this NBC thing? I put it assented to

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Speaker 3: the chat. This was really fascinating. So the latest hit,

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Speaker 3: according to this NBC News article, which is about inside

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Speaker 3: the you know, slugfest of the Senate primary, is Hailey Stevens'

543
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Speaker 3: campaign wants to paint el Sayad quote as a sexist

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Speaker 3: podcast bro because he's appeared on a show like ours.

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Speaker 3: I think with Didney campaign with Hassan Piking they did right,

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Speaker 3: So it's things like that where they want to use

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Speaker 3: the podcast bro. Image of Maga from twenty twenty four

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Speaker 3: to basically smear him and say, oh, he's one of

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Speaker 3: these online bro.

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Speaker 1: In this sphere.

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Speaker 4: So Democrats in a year have gone from we need

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Speaker 4: our own Joe Rogan because we need to reach out

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Speaker 4: to men. Two.

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Speaker 3: He has been on podcasts, yes, and podcasts are bad.

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Speaker 4: Podcasts are bad, all of them. Here's a podcast bro,

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Speaker 4: and therefore he needs to be reject.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: That is a victory that spells defeat if I've ever

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Speaker 4: heard of.

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Speaker 3: It's a cynical, cynical take. Well, I don't know, because

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Speaker 3: it seems to me because it's a swing defeat long

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Speaker 3: term fair. Absolutely, it seems to me like people getably.

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Speaker 1: Going to win.

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Speaker 3: No, I mean, Mike Rogers, like, I'm sorry, you're cooked

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Speaker 3: in a wave election year where Trump Trump, I mean,

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Speaker 3: Michigan is what I would say is one of his

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Speaker 3: least strong states that he's He won it twice first

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Speaker 3: time twenty sixteen is like ten thousand votes. Second time

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Speaker 3: around for sorry, third time around. I forget exactly how

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Speaker 3: much he wanted. It wasn't a lot, like in terms

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Speaker 3: of the margin, like he won Pennsylvania, I believe more

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Speaker 3: than he won by Michigan. Michigan is a tough tough

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Speaker 3: place for Donald Trump. And so then if you factor

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Speaker 3: in less than one hundred thousand votes, less one hund

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Speaker 3: k votes, I mean, it's just not a lot of

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Speaker 3: votes Michigan. So if you got and Alyssa Slackin was

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Speaker 3: also able to win at the same time, So the

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Speaker 3: split ticket already and that's in a Republican wave election.

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Speaker 4: Hoopy win behind his back. He won by with the

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Speaker 4: way behind his back.

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Speaker 1: He barely wins, you know, that election.

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Speaker 3: If Gaza doesn't happen, or if Kamala does a does

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Speaker 3: a better job, she potentially wins Michigan just to those

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Speaker 3: noble didn't come out to vote. So all those people

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Speaker 3: are going to come out to vote for the Democrat

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Speaker 3: I think, no matter what.

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Speaker 1: So then it's a big question of like, okay, so

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Speaker 1: where the.

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Speaker 4: Deocrats, dearborn come out for Hailey Stevens.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't think.

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Speaker 3: I don't think she'll need it as much as Kamala did,

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Speaker 3: just because of the way that things are this time around.

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Speaker 3: So it's a very high, very high stakes primary, it

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Speaker 3: really is. And the the I think the CNN stuff,

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Speaker 3: the CNN manufacture.

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Speaker 1: Whatever you want to call it. I'm not alleging anything.

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Speaker 4: But allowed her to blunt that the most damaging attack.

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Speaker 3: On sure that I see lately I have and I

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Speaker 3: say this with like no morality or anything.

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Speaker 1: I admire the democratic establishments.

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Speaker 3: What'spa right, because they've taken so many l's recently in

602
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Speaker 3: all of these DSA elections, They're like, Okay, we can

603
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Speaker 3: no longer run on Israel itself, so what we need

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Speaker 3: to do is manufacture other is like me too with

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Speaker 3: Platner here, not manufacturer as in they're paying her or anything.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying like they they're certainly using it to

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Speaker 3: great effect to get him out of the race and

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Speaker 3: to take over the entire system. And then here they're like, oh, well,

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Speaker 3: what we do is we get BB to attack her

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Speaker 3: and then they use that as evidence that she's you know,

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Speaker 3: middle road or whatever.

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Speaker 1: On is that that may be enough?

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Speaker 3: You know, if some for some boomers who are out there,

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Speaker 3: who are largely it seems to be her constituent.

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Speaker 4: If you're a boomer watching Abdulla l Side wants to

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Speaker 4: cut your.

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Speaker 3: Property, yeah, don't do it, Ryan, don't do it. We're

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Speaker 3: not we are not stupid to that level. All right,

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Speaker 3: let's get to property tax, so as Ryan alluded to

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Speaker 3: in one of the most disappointing, disgusting, craven, repulsive statements

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Speaker 3: ever uttered by an American politician. Here's Abdul l said,

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Speaker 3: who clearly wants to win, who says he wants to

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Speaker 3: freeze senior property taxes.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 7: I think we need to be freezing property tax for seniors.

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Speaker 7: If you paid off your home at some point, we

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Speaker 7: can't expect you to keep up with property taxes that

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Speaker 7: are going up.

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Speaker 1: Now, how do we pay for that?

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Speaker 7: Well, again, if we tax billionaires their wealth, if we

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Speaker 7: were to invest in the Department of Education so that

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Speaker 7: we're paying centrally for public schools in an equitable way,

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Speaker 7: there are a lot of opportunities for us to lift

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Speaker 7: the burden office seniors who've done their job, They've worked

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Speaker 7: extra hard. They deserve a dignified retirement, and we've got

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Speaker 7: to be thinking about how to offer them.

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Speaker 3: That they deserve a dignified retirement. They they deserve a

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Speaker 3: federal bailout of Michigan Michigan schools, and we're just going

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Speaker 3: to pay for it with these fancy billionaire taxes. And look,

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Speaker 3: you know, I'm not some guy who's anti wealth tax

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Speaker 3: or anything. I don't particularly care you screw ultra rich

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Speaker 3: people whatever. Use it as punitive care, that's all fine.

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Speaker 3: But ultimately this is about bailing out seniors and a

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Speaker 3: false premise, which is, if you've paid off your home,

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Speaker 3: you deserve to live there forever. This is a literal

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Speaker 3: violation of the American dream, and specifically of the housing

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Speaker 3: mechanics and the way that it all works, right, because

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Speaker 3: first of all, it presumes if you've paid off the house,

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Speaker 3: that means you should no longer have to pay for

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Speaker 3: any public services whatsoever, from the roads to the police

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Speaker 3: to the fire department, when we actually know that old

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Speaker 3: people are disproportionately using them. Also, property tax, the vast

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Speaker 3: majority of that funding goes to local education. Now, his

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Speaker 3: presumption here that the federal government should bail out the

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Speaker 3: state of Michigan and all of their localities actually is

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Speaker 3: a conservative nightmare. And even if anybody who cares about localities,

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Speaker 3: it means that the Feds will have near total control

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Speaker 3: over what you can and can't do in your schools.

659
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,719
Speaker 3: One of the best things about America, specifically our education system,

660
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 3: if you want to say, is that if you live somewhere.

661
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,479
Speaker 3: Let's say you disagree with something it's happening in your school.

662
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 3: Because you pay in, you actually can change it. You

663
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 3: really can. We saw this with anti woke or even woke.

664
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 3: If you want whatever you want to do, COVID mass

665
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 3: parents actually got mad and in some cases they won.

666
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 3: They beat the system whenever it came to a showdown.

667
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 3: If it's all up to the Feds, you have no

668
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 3: power whatsoever.

669
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: Right.

670
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 3: And then let's talk about the housing mechanics part, because

671
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 3: this is the part that really bugs me.

672
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: And I'll be callous. I don't care because I'm not

673
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: a politician.

674
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 3: Which is, if you are a senior and you pay

675
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 3: off your home and then you no longer have to

676
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 3: have any property tax, there is no market incentive to sell,

677
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 3: you will never sell, which means that these neighborhoods will

678
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 3: not turn over.

679
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: And you have seniors who.

680
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,959
Speaker 3: Occupy the vast majority of the housing stock, who have

681
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 3: no financial pressure whatsoever, who will stay in these new homes,

682
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,959
Speaker 3: who will then not turn them over to the next generation.

683
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 3: People say it's unfair because the property tax has gone up.

684
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 3: The tax only goes up if the house value goes

685
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 3: up too, and So if you did not pull yourself

686
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 3: up by your bootstrap maybe and do enough saving over

687
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 3: the course of your life, and you didn't plan for

688
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 3: your property tax, why does that mean you get to

689
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 3: hold a financially appreciable asset, pay nothing to be able

690
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 3: to maintain it, receive all city services, give nothing back

691
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 3: to your community, and hold up all of the housing

692
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 3: stock that there is. This is slopulism, That's what it is.

693
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 3: It's a cynical way to win. Older voters who are

694
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 3: not currently voting or supporting abdulh sayat that's what it's

695
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 3: all about, and the unfortunate, and people are like, oh,

696
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 3: or why do you care so.

697
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: Much about this?

698
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 3: It would be funny if it weren't literally sweeping the nation,

699
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 3: which I'll approve to you all. There is now between California, Florida,

700
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 3: which is about to abolish property tax, and Texas, which

701
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 3: has just done the exemption. You will have nearly one

702
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 3: hundred million Americans by this time next year in a

703
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 3: boomer Reich system where they occupy all the housing stock.

704
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 3: They don't pay as much as you or I do

705
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 3: if we own a home for a property tax, and

706
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 3: they are depleting the system meanwhile demanding social security where

707
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 3: they say they have fixed income, which is literally cost

708
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 3: you know, which literally goes up by inflation. When is

709
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 3: the last time we got an inflation adjusted race? If

710
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 3: you're under sixty five, when's the last time you got.

711
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: An inflation adjusted race?

712
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 3: In fact, you almost certainly got a decrease because the

713
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 3: wages have not kept up with inflation since nineteen seventy

714
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 3: or whatever. So they get inflation adjusted rays. You get nothing,

715
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 3: and you get less services, and you need to pay

716
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 3: more in taxes. So I'm off my soapbox.

717
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 4: You though, the other thing that elderly homeowners would do

718
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 4: with this property tax abatement, and you could theoretically write in,

719
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 4: write in the legislation to try to preempt this, but

720
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 4: what they would do is move out, go somewhere else,

721
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 4: and then rent this property that they now don't have

722
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 4: to pay property tax on and then just collect the

723
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 4: rental income on it. So what it does is it

724
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 4: takes takes more housing stock off of the market, which

725
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 4: drives up home prices and just makes it harder for

726
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 4: people who don't own a home yet to buy one

727
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 4: because they aren't selling it. Because think about it, if

728
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 4: if you sell it to somebody younger. That younger person

729
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 4: now has to pay property taxes if they wanted to

730
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 4: rent it. The amount of profit that they would make

731
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 4: by renting it is reduced by the amount of property

732
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 4: tax they have. Corre, you don't have to pay the

733
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 4: property tax, so you're incentive then to rent it and

734
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 4: then just go somewhere else and buy another one that

735
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 4: you also don't have to pay property tax on.

736
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 3: Well, they'll they'll, they'll claim all kinds of nonsense, but

737
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 3: primary home and all this to get around this.

738
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: But look, even in the primary.

739
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 4: Could and live there for six months because because you're

740
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 4: traveling to the Danube, right.

741
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 3: Because I will say what nobody else wants to, which

742
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 3: sometimes you will have to sell. If your property has

743
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 3: gone up from one hundred and seventy grand to two million,

744
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 3: and you're drowning in property, then sell the home, move

745
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 3: into a million dollar house, take the profit. You can

746
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 3: keep your property tax forever. Oh and by the way,

747
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 3: somebody else can buy that home and maybe the raise

748
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 3: their family in it. You know, the most heartbreaking thing

749
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 3: is in localities across this nation. The neighborhood I grew

750
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 3: up in is a good example.

751
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: Full of kids. No longer full of kids.

752
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 3: Why everybody still lives there, right, same people still live there,

753
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 3: kids are grown and gone. Guess what kids? They all

754
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 3: live in another neighborhood. Now, it was a nice neighborhood.

755
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 1: I liked it there. And that's happening across the nation.

756
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 3: You got elementary schools closing because the fertility rate is down,

757
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 3: and because in a lot of the traditional suburbs, nobody

758
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 3: wants to leave. All the rich people, rich boomers are

759
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 3: all staying there. And then people who are in families,

760
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 3: they got nothing. They're either in the rent air class

761
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 3: or they got to go somewhere else and try and

762
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 3: do something. And look, you could say, well, oh that's

763
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 3: just the market reality. And the boomers are always you know,

764
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 3: coming back to me and it's like, well we had

765
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 3: fifteen percent interest rates. I'm like, and the same question

766
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 3: I always ask, what was the wasting? What was the

767
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 3: price income ratio? What was the pricing income ratio? It

768
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 3: is like two or three hundred percent more than it

769
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 3: was even twenty five years ago compared to the current

770
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 3: median home price, and that's four hundred and eighty five

771
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 3: thousand today is the median home price, but that factors

772
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 3: in all of these lower cost of living areas, and

773
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 3: if you were living in a medium or high cost

774
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,479
Speaker 3: we talked about San Francisco in our last show.

775
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: It's one point seven million.

776
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 3: That's an extreme example, I get it, But in many

777
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 3: higher cost of living areas trying to millions of dollars,

778
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 3: literally millions of dollars. And that's why the average first

779
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 3: time home buyer is anywhere between thirty seven and forty five,

780
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 3: and that the average buyer of a home today is

781
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 3: age fifty, right, is because they're the only people with

782
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 3: the cash to be able to do so. So that's

783
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 3: ultimately what Abdul is trying to set in. Let's put

784
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 3: E two up here on the screen. I took this

785
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,720
Speaker 3: from his website and this is again is the worst

786
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 3: possible thing. On his website, he says we will freeze

787
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 3: follow the senior, not the property. The assessment freeze does

788
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 3: not transfer on sale or death. When the home changes hands,

789
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 3: it will reassess it market value. This preserves local tax

790
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 3: based integrity over time, so as I if a senior

791
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 3: sells the property to an under sixty by person, they

792
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 3: will then be hit with a property tax reassessment to

793
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 3: current market value.

794
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: Now here's why I.

795
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 3: Think it's sick because this people took this the wrong way, saying, well,

796
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 3: anytime somebody sells a house that they get reassessment market value.

797
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 3: You're right, But the freezing of a property tax means

798
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 3: that there's no appreciation or incentive to sell. This is

799
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 3: what happened with California in proposition thirteen. It is exactly

800
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 3: why California's housing market is as messed up as it

801
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 3: is today. There is no incentive for people who bought

802
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 3: between the nineteen eighties and the nineteen nineties at very

803
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 3: very low values, who have frozen property tax or step

804
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 3: ladder increases, to sell, even though their homes have appreciated

805
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 3: in some cases by two, three, four, five hundred, even

806
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 3: one thousand percent in places like Santa Monica.

807
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: So what do you do?

808
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 3: What you'd have to do is it means that the

809
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 3: younger buyer has to have more cash on hand and

810
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 3: budget at a much higher price than the scene who

811
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 3: gets to live there, which locks the housing stock up forever.

812
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 3: It has destroyed the California housing market. Now, this would

813
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 3: be a proposition because Abdul Frankly, he's running for United

814
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,919
Speaker 3: States Senate. So he wants to do this nationally, all right.

815
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 3: I mean technically he doesn't have the authority, but somebody

816
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 3: could preempt that type of behavior. And I just want

817
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 3: to show you all what happens when states start doing

818
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 3: this stuff. Let's go to the next one. This is

819
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 3: from Florida. It just happened yesterday, all right, So Tampa,

820
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 3: the city of Tampa.

821
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: How many years.

822
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 3: Now you and I have been hearing? Oh, all these

823
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 3: families are moving to Florida. It's such a great place

824
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 3: to live. It's cheap, and they don't have to wear masks,

825
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 3: and you have all this freedom. Well here's part of

826
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 3: the freedom they're about to have. So in Florida, counties

827
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,919
Speaker 3: are now preparing for the total elimination of property tax

828
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 3: or a phase reduction. Hillsborough County, that's where Tampa is.

829
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 3: Here's what they write. A lengthy list of possible responses

830
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 3: to the elimination will include eliminating or reducing county services

831
00:38:56,040 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 3: like parks and aging services, closing underused facilities, and increasing

832
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 3: or adding new assessments such as higher fuel tax and

833
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 3: more park fees. So that means, Ryan, you got four kids,

834
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 3: I assume you live at that park, because right, it's

835
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 3: easy's free take them there if you let them run around,

836
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 3: burn some energy. Kids just started walking. So this is

837
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 3: we're in that phase right now. Now every time you

838
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 3: go though, pay up. You gotta pay. Say sorry, because

839
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,240
Speaker 3: these boomers over here, they don't want to pay property tax.

840
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 3: You when you take your kid to the park, you

841
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 3: gotta pay all right, fuel tax. You want to go

842
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 3: somewhere to take your kid to the park, Sorry, it's

843
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 3: gonna cost you.

844
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 1: All right.

845
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 3: There's toll roads everywhere in Florida. So this is what happens.

846
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 3: You got no income tax, you've got no property tax.

847
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 3: Now where's the money going to come from. It's going

848
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 3: to come from somewhere. The disney the Disney crew search

849
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 3: charge can be about to be five hundred dollars for

850
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 3: every person who comes out of state and the people

851
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 3: who live there.

852
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: It's going to be hell.

853
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 4: Should the fuel tax not apply to elderly people too?

854
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 3: Sure?

855
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: Why not?

856
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 3: Right? Oh?

857
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: They drive less, so why oh they don't use it?

858
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 1: All right?

859
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,720
Speaker 3: So this is what leads to this type of logic

860
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 3: where elder people when they were young to pay.

861
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 4: To pay a different tax rate based on your age

862
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 4: is crazy. Yes, Also for the age cohort that has

863
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 4: more wealth to pay less tax, I know than the

864
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 4: age cohort that has less wealth is completely insane. Right.

865
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 4: The whole idea of treating people differently based on their

866
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 4: ages on American it's maybe on constitutional like what about

867
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 4: equal protection?

868
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 1: And like, of course, what you think they're gonna they're anyone?

869
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: How can we even challenge it?

870
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,240
Speaker 3: And this person to show you about the slopulism point,

871
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 3: you can't even conceive how popular these things are if

872
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 3: you were to tell the two areas. I get the

873
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 3: most hate on weed and this actually maybe more energy

874
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 3: about this. I've received actual death threats over weed, but

875
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 3: I'm waiting for my real death threats that are coming

876
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,959
Speaker 3: from just saying, hey, we shouldn't have unequal tax codes

877
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 3: based on age.

878
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: Let's put E four up here. Take a look at

879
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: the polling. This just happened yesterday.

880
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 3: Two thirds a Florida vote support the property tax of course,

881
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 3: two thirds. So you got the old with this old state,

882
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 3: you know, uh, And they're all like, yeah, why not?

883
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 3: Why should we have to pay? Screw them? I don't

884
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 3: use the park anyways. Not my bid business, not my

885
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 3: problem schools. My kids are grown, doesn't matter. Who cares

886
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 3: about the next generation or my grandkids, doesn't matter. That's

887
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,959
Speaker 3: how selfish they are the people who support these types

888
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 3: of things, And that's that's why Abdel is doing this,

889
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 3: and that's why it's sickening, because you know, guys like

890
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 3: him there, they talks a big game about principles and

891
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 3: all that, and I'm sure you know, take a lot

892
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 3: of hits, but like, ultimately they're politicians. He looks his

893
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 3: poll numbers, he wants to win, and this is overwhelmingly popular.

894
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 3: And just in preparing for this segment, I found four

895
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 3: different state and localities, actually five, another one this morning,

896
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 3: E five.

897
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: Let's put it up here. This from Boston.

898
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 3: Okay, Michelle Wu, who is supposedly some lefty great person mehir.

899
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 3: Michelle Wu signs city order to expand property relief for

900
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 3: older homeowners. Okay, so to provide relief for these older homeowners.

901
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 3: Let's go to the next one. What do we find Indiana?

902
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 3: Indiana Governor Brown eyes property tax breaks for seniors and

903
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 3: assessment changes. Quote, once you get to sixty five, maybe

904
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 3: you ought to have some relief from your own government

905
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 3: to not have property taxes after that, he said, So

906
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,399
Speaker 3: I'll be looking for enterprising legislators to see if they're

907
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 3: hearing that too. The other thing I hear is, once

908
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 3: you've paid off your mortgage, why should you then have

909
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 3: a fixed cost Generally that's going to be later in life.

910
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 3: With a twenty five to thirty year mortgage, you'll be

911
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 3: approaching retirement. He says he doesn't want to starve local

912
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 3: units of government, but said that those expenses shouldn't rise

913
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 3: beyond what taxpayers can afford, and we could make up

914
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 3: the revenue elsewhere. Let's go to the next one, shall we.

915
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 3: Pennsylvania Democrats all right, Pennsylvania House It votes to funded

916
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 3: property tax cuts for seniors by levying targeting big tech companies. Now,

917
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 3: I don't care about big tech companies. That's totally fine.

918
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 3: Tax them, I don't give a shit. But what does

919
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 3: this mean is you have a property tax cut. They

920
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 3: will take that revenue and only make up for the

921
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 3: property tax of seniors, not for any of the other

922
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 3: younger home buyers. And that's that's you know, right now,

923
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 3: I'm just fighting for parody. But if I were really fighting,

924
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 3: what would I say. Let's say the people who got

925
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 3: the money bought the property tes for the first time,

926
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 3: for the first time home buyer will even means tested.

927
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 1: I don't care, all right, you know that's fine.

928
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 3: Of the three things, by the way that I just read,

929
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 3: only one of those was means tested for lower income seniors,

930
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 3: which is Boston. Even then, I'm against it just because, yeah,

931
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 3: I think it's unfair. It's like, why do you what

932
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 3: lowering lower income single mom doesn't get a break, the

933
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 3: lower income senior gets a break. Which one do you

934
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 3: think needs more of a break? If it is binary?

935
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 3: Ultimately because of the government. I mean, you can google

936
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 3: in even these states. Indiana, what have they done for

937
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 3: a young family in the last three months?

938
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: Nothing?

939
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,959
Speaker 3: Pennsylvania, same thing. What find me find find me something

940
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 3: and I will read it here on the show all

941
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 3: the energy and then find eight let's put it up

942
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 3: here Republicans. So this is bipartisan Ohio law machers approved

943
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 3: three hundred and fifty million in property tax relief for seniors.

944
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 3: So it's because they vote at the end of the day,

945
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 3: and that's what.

946
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 1: It's all about.

947
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 4: It's not just that they vote. It is definitely that

948
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 4: they vote. It's also a function of the population declined absolutely.

949
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 4: The number, like the number of people graduating high school

950
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 4: is now, has declined the last couple of years. And

951
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 4: this is something we can project with certainty basically with

952
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 4: immigration being the only variable, because we know who was

953
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 4: born eighteen years ago and who wasn't, and the population

954
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,240
Speaker 4: and the birth rate are going down, and as a result,

955
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 4: the young people in the voter pool, who participate at

956
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 4: a much lower rate anyway, are much fewer to begin

957
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 4: with relative to the biggest generation. Now, the boomers are

958
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 4: not going to be here forever, but they're going to

959
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 4: be here for a long time, right.

960
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 3: Last one, I just I literally found this one this

961
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 3: morning because a friend of mine overnight texted me this.

962
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: Let's put it up here on the screen.

963
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 3: One of the leading candidates for governor in South Dakota

964
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 3: name is Toby Dodin. He says, space, it's out property tax.

965
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,879
Speaker 3: Guess what, South Dakota. They don't even have an income tax,

966
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 3: just like Florida, who's gonna pay Where's the money coming from?

967
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,439
Speaker 1: It's outa sales tax. They have a low sales tax.

968
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 3: Alrighty, yeah, where's it gonna.

969
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: Come from from?

970
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 3: The people who drive through the state, who go to

971
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,720
Speaker 3: Mount Rushmore. I mean, where is the money.

972
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 4: Driving your soybeans on dirt roads?

973
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: Right exactly.

974
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 3: It's like so you read through and you're like, oh, okay,

975
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 3: so how's he gonna make up? And he said, oh,

976
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 3: maybe we'll do a luxury a luxury goods tax.

977
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I'm fine with me.

978
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 3: But ultimately what they write, because the South Dakota papers,

979
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 3: you know, went through their proposal, it's.

980
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: Not gonna make up the one point eight billion.

981
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 4: So where's a lot of luxury goods being purchased in

982
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 4: South Dakota.

983
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: It turns out no offense South Dakota, you know, no offense? What'so.

984
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful state.

985
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 3: But it's like, you know, even in these states, and

986
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 3: this is what I mean when it's sweeping the nation.

987
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 3: You got Florida, Texas, California, literally three out of the

988
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 3: four most populous states.

989
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure New York I haven't checked.

990
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 3: I'm sure they have some a BS exemption that already here,

991
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 3: which is.

992
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:03,720
Speaker 1: On the books.

993
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 3: Now you've got the senator potential from Michigan who wants

994
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 3: to enact this nationally.

995
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 1: We're talking about trillions.

996
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,399
Speaker 3: Of dollars in bailouts, if that were to become the

997
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 3: policy of the United States or even the smaller states.

998
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 3: Now they're like, oh, let's hop on the bandwagon. Vivig

999
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 3: Ramaswami Ohio. Guess what he picked it up. Yeah, let's

1000
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,320
Speaker 3: pay no, let's pay no sales tap everybody wants to

1001
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 3: Why not win win win, as in win for the boomers,

1002
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 3: win for the politician.

1003
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sickening.

1004
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 3: And you know, last thing, last thing is I said,

1005
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 3: I don't even have this one here in the show,

1006
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 3: but I read this Wall Street Journal story last night,

1007
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 3: and it was about schools, and as you just said,

1008
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 3: with population decline and fertility rate, he got all these

1009
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 3: schools were just rotting. Now nobody's even using them, so

1010
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 3: they're now converting them into luxury senior housing.

1011
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: That's a monument. People say, don't you want them to move?

1012
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 3: Yes, you're right, Thank you for moving and for going

1013
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 3: to see your housing. You're right, But is that not

1014
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 3: emblematic of the problem that we have.

1015
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: This is Japan.

1016
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 3: This is what it's all going to look like twenty

1017
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 3: thirty years from now. You know, the whole economy is

1018
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 3: going to be like this in terms of healthcare and

1019
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 3: aging services. We're already getting there, but twenty thirty years

1020
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 3: from now, that's what the whole thing is going to

1021
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 3: look like.

1022
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 4: My elementary school shout out to Warton Elementary School in

1023
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 4: Kent County is not a luxury condo yet, but it

1024
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 4: is shut down. They wouldn't be able to sell luxury

1025
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 4: condos there. My middle school was called Chestertown Middle School.

1026
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 4: It is now called Kent County Middle School. In other words,

1027
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 4: it is the only middle school in the entire county.

1028
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 4: My high school was called Kent County High School. It

1029
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 4: still exists. It's like half the population that it was before.

1030
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 4: And people say, seniors will say, well, we don't use

1031
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 4: the schools. You rely on the people who go to

1032
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 4: school to wait on you at the restaurants, to mow

1033
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 4: your lawn, you know. To as for home health aids,

1034
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 4: society produced.

1035
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 3: We live in a society. We live in a society period.

1036
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 3: It's like the mean, yes, you have to pay for

1037
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 3: the next generation. People are always like, oh, just because

1038
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 3: you had a kid and you want money now from

1039
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 3: the government, you exempt me. Put me in the legislation.

1040
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,240
Speaker 3: I will get nothing. I don't want anything. It's rough people,

1041
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 3: you know, it's just I just checked College Hill's elementary

1042
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:19,439
Speaker 3: shout out in College Station.

1043
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:20,399
Speaker 1: Looks like it's still going.

1044
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 3: So there we go.

1045
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: All right, we got we got something.

1046
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 3: But Texas one of the few places you can probably

1047
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 3: buy a home because it's cheap, or at least or

1048
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 3: cheaper than it's overall nationally. It's sad, man, it really

1049
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 3: is sad, and it's sweeping the country, and you're just

1050
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 3: going to see more and more and more. This just

1051
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 3: shows you five examples literally from across the political spectrum,

1052
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 3: six actually, including Abdul l Sayad.

1053
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: And it's just going.

1054
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:45,240
Speaker 3: It will continue to sweep this. I predict twenty twenty

1055
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 3: eight you will see mass freezing and or elimination of

1056
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 3: property tax in I'm gonna call half the states of

1057
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 3: the youth, half the states in the Union, and probably

1058
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 3: the two thirds of the US population in the next

1059
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 3: five years.

1060
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 4: As a politician, as you say no to this, you're dead.

1061
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 4: Your opponent's gonna be like, well, I'm gonna cut your

1062
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 4: property text exactly if peop were like, all right, well,

1063
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 4: good sweet, You're not gonna do anything else, so at

1064
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 4: least I'll take that.

1065
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 3: It only works if we all fight back all right,

1066
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 3: thank you very much for having me, Ryan, It's been

1067
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:12,919
Speaker 3: a lot of fun.

1068
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: Bro Show. Crystal'll be back next week, and.

1069
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 4: We'll be back as well.

1070
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: Well, we'll be back everything only restored.

1071
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,879
Speaker 4: Very convenient that they all traveled this week, Isn't that's right?

1072
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 3: Sticking us with the platinum situation. It's okay, that's fine.

1073
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 3: I stuck them with I'm sure if something bad happened

1074
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 3: whenever I was gone as well. All right, we will

1075
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 3: see you guys tomorrow Friday Show.

1076
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 1: See then,