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Speaker 1: Henry Suhudo returns to reclaim the bantamweight title when he

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Speaker 1: not merely talk about that fight to some extent, which

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Speaker 1: we will, but really reflect on his journey to get here. Welcome,

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Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen to the Morning Combat Henry Suhudo resume review.

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Speaker 1: My name is Luk Thomas, as I indicated, one half

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Speaker 1: of your hosting duo, joined by the gentleman who is

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Speaker 1: the King of Connecticut.

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Speaker 2: It is Brian Campbell. Hello, Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fired up to be here, Luke. I've got a

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Speaker 3: I love about it, Luke, And obviously, in a short

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Speaker 3: the legacy, the growing legacy of Henry Suhudo, that he

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Speaker 1: I had a similar response to going back and reviewing

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Speaker 1: and I took away a number of things, many of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I followed it from arm's length, but I certainly

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Yes, they do. They do.

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Speaker 3: But you nailed that. His brand in the momentum he

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Speaker 1: So to your point, he doesn't fight Scott Jorgenson, who

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Speaker 1: I can go to Flyway. Please let me go to Flyway.

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Speaker 1: So he's got three UFC fights at this point, three

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Speaker 1: unanimous decisions. Here's my takeaway from this up to this point,

437
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Speaker 1: which is he looks good, he looks fine. He's definitely

438
00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,280
Speaker 1: beaten these guys. He had Chico Camos and a cowcatcher

439
00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,919
Speaker 1: for a time, I mean, just way better. But I

440
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:48,639
Speaker 1: still didn't get future champion vibes. Where were you this

441
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Speaker 1: many fights in?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's still figuring it out. Look the second fight

443
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Speaker 3: that Chris Carrioso fight, Carriosa was just coming off of

444
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Speaker 3: losing to DJ and his title shot opportunities. So think

445
00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,640
Speaker 3: of what that showed you about where they thought Shudo

446
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Speaker 3: can come and potentially be and they put him in

447
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,480
Speaker 3: Dallas on the first opening fight of the pay per

448
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Speaker 3: view card. So he goes from early prelimbs almost like

449
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,639
Speaker 3: here's your tryout to oh, let's let's see what we

450
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,879
Speaker 3: got here and try to position it now. Luke Sudo,

451
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Speaker 3: even though he dominated Carriaso, it wasn't exciting. He gave

452
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Speaker 3: himself a d. He said the fatigue from the weight

453
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Speaker 3: cut affected his cardio. And this what was his UFC

454
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Speaker 3: debut at the one twenty five, the weight class that

455
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Speaker 3: he promised he could make. But I think the real key,

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Speaker 3: key fight that gets forgotten was that next fight in

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Speaker 3: Mexico City against Chico Camas, even though he would go

458
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Speaker 3: on to gain the unanimous decision here and we would

459
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Speaker 3: almost forget it. Sometimes we forget who Chico Camas ever

460
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Speaker 3: was in terms of you know, like one of those

461
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Speaker 3: guys that excelled in the gym against top competition, had

462
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Speaker 3: good wins, you know, had a UFC run, but was

463
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Speaker 3: never able to put it together completely. That's why he

464
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Speaker 3: came in as a twelve and one underdog against Suhudo here.

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Speaker 3: But I think this was the first fight where Shudo

466
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Speaker 3: couldn't win on his physicality, athleticism and Olympic pedigree alone

467
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Speaker 3: because Camus, surprised at this point in his career, really

468
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Speaker 3: put up the physical limitations of not just stuffing takedowns

469
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Speaker 3: consistently and making it difficult, but actually making Suhudo tired

470
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Speaker 3: by mixing in some strong striking and just being a

471
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Speaker 3: moving target throughout. And Luke Camos was trained in with

472
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Speaker 3: Ben Askron in Milwaukee. In this one, this one what

473
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Speaker 3: Camos has become the chief sparring partner for rosenami Unis

474
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Speaker 3: in that camp throughout her title run. So he still

475
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Speaker 3: it shows you like the mind that he is. But

476
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 3: remember so Hudo walked to that in the full as

477
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Speaker 3: tech costume with the head piece in Mexico City as

478
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Speaker 3: a nod to both of his parents who were born

479
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Speaker 3: in Mexico City, and ultimately you know, brought him to

480
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Speaker 3: La where he was born. But it's like his lean

481
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 3: in that area. But in the end, even though Camis,

482
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Speaker 3: I thought, really gave. This was the first time you

483
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,960
Speaker 3: had to see suhudo problem solve, particularly early in round three,

484
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Speaker 3: to really on the moment, in the moment, not get overwhelmed.

485
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Speaker 3: His poise is his greatest skill. And maybe it's all

486
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Speaker 3: those comfort behind winds on the Olympic Trail in wrestling,

487
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Speaker 3: whatever it was. Maybe it's his upbringing, what maybe it's

488
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 3: just the full picture, his poise under pressure. Think round

489
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Speaker 3: two and three against Marius after a slow start. This

490
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Speaker 3: is who he is. This is the greatness. It was

491
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Speaker 3: on display here because Camus made it hard and we

492
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 3: had to see Henry finally think a little bit. So

493
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:21,400
Speaker 3: again afterwards he would talk about the the elevation sea

494
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Speaker 3: level kne right, that that slowed him down. He also

495
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 3: revealed he had food poisoning and should have pulled out

496
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 3: of the fight. He had a bad taco, but he

497
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,959
Speaker 3: said I had to fight for the Mexican people. And

498
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 3: he was always very honest. Earlier he says, I was

499
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Speaker 3: disappointed myself. I was sluggish. He's always able to give

500
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Speaker 3: you the in the moment, you know, humble review, but

501
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 3: final point on him at least attempting to lean into

502
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Speaker 3: not just the all American hero with the gold medal,

503
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Speaker 3: but the Mexican Mexican hero whose parents were born in

504
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Speaker 3: Mexico City. He did most of that post fight interviews

505
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Speaker 3: in straight Spanish and did it like authoritatively and aggressively.

506
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Speaker 3: So I mean, he always had luke that charisma that

507
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 3: probably comes from the Olympic times, that like full confidence

508
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 3: and understanding of who he is. But this was him

509
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 3: leaning hard into let me try to max out this

510
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 3: this version of myself as a brand, as a character.

511
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Speaker 2: No doubt about it.

512
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Speaker 1: And as I mentioned, they go to Mexico back to

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Speaker 1: back with him. So we fast forward now to November

514
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Speaker 1: twenty first, twenty fifteen. Now we're in Monterey Monterrey, Mexico.

515
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Speaker 1: He wins a split decision over tested Brazilian juicier for me.

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Speaker 2: Guy.

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Speaker 1: You see, this is that one part where I began

518
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,439
Speaker 1: to realize, Wow, he's really changed. And again it's not

519
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,400
Speaker 1: a question of right or wrong. It's a question of

520
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: how these athletes view themselves, what pressures, what mantles they

521
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 1: want to accept or adopt, and who they want to

522
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Speaker 1: present themselves as and it's it's not right or wrong,

523
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Speaker 1: it's just what they want at that time. Well, he

524
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:51,439
Speaker 1: was really leaning in to that cross cultural identity, wearing

525
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: this az tech like outfit on his walk to the cage,

526
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Speaker 1: which you know, the UFC probably would not have agreed

527
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: to for most other fighters in most other circumstances, but

528
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: they want to make a splash in Mexico. They've got

529
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Speaker 1: this guy with the story that we all know at

530
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 1: this point, and he comes in there and he has

531
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: a good performance against a very tough guy. But the

532
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: audience was quiet the whole time. Like, here's what I'm

533
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: trying to point out. I'm not here to accentuate things

534
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 1: that didn't go right. What I'm saying is he hasn't

535
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Speaker 1: had a real galvanizing breakout moment at this run in

536
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Speaker 1: his career, despite fairly significant promotional pushes in different directions.

537
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Speaker 3: It's why, on any journey, any path to get somewhere,

538
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 3: sometimes things we look at in the moment, at setbacks

539
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 3: or hurdles we had to unnecessarily clear, but those become,

540
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 3: you know, in the end, the things that made us.

541
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Speaker 3: It's easy to look at the last two fights we

542
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 3: mentioned and now this Formiga fight, and maybe we did

543
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 3: this as journalists and fans in the moment and be like, Okay,

544
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 3: he's good, but he's not great yet, Luke. I think

545
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,160
Speaker 3: these are the most some of the most important fights

546
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Speaker 3: that made him who he was because Camus this was

547
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 3: a physical veteran president who could outthink him and really

548
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 3: make him have to show us a new side of himself.

549
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 3: For me, it was almost a fresher version of exactly

550
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 3: that you weren't gonna take him down easy. He was

551
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 3: tough his nails on the striking, even though he wasn't

552
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 3: a great striker, and obviously he was a threat on

553
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 3: the ground and could really match Sahudo at times. I

554
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 3: really think if we had Shudo here and we were

555
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 3: going point by point, he would circle a fight like this.

556
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 3: After having the weight issues, the illness, the fight before,

557
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 3: the elevation issues. Now he comes back in Mexico and

558
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 3: he was in a very again firm spot, third fight

559
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 3: from the top. But to come in here and give

560
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 3: another solid performance, he had to learn a lot in

561
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 3: these key moments to become that problem solver and that

562
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 3: thinker and not always lean. If he had just leaned

563
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 3: on the physical, Luke, he would have been a brawling

564
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 3: boxer in the UFC, even with the wrestling game, you

565
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 3: know what I mean, if he just would have came

566
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 3: in and just leaned on that and said, you know,

567
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 3: but like, this guy's a next level thinker, and you

568
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 3: can find it in small moments here because he never

569
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 3: looked great against Formiga, but he handled this business like professionally,

570
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 3: and it does remind you, Luke, looking back at a

571
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 3: fight like this, the Reebok era. I know I was

572
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 3: alone when I first started saying it, but I keep

573
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 3: saying it. That just looks classier, more business like, and

574
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 3: that you know, I mean, like the it does the kids.

575
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 3: It just gives this sport a high level a we feel, Luke,

576
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 3: that that's missing today. I'll tell you that much.

577
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 1: Well, it might be missing, but I don't know if

578
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: they're the antidote. Nevertheless, I like the way you put that,

579
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: which was you see him against through these four fights,

580
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 1: you see him begin to problem solve, You see him

581
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: begin to use some of that letticism win necessary, but

582
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 1: like in a you know, a thoughtful way, not just

583
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: a spamming you with it kind of way. And he

584
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 1: even through some of the difficulty. He's clearly just beating

585
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: these guys on a lot of natural ability, natural wrestling talent.

586
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: He's obviously been a good striker. He won the Bronze Gloves,

587
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: which is a you know, a very amateur title in

588
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: a regional level boxing basically, and so he you know,

589
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: he's always been comfortable as a striker. We saw that

590
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,040
Speaker 1: in the Dustin Comor fight and then so forth. But

591
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: to my point, he's got four decisions now. The last

592
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: of them was a split, although the scoring was weird.

593
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: He had two thirty twenty sevens, then one nine twenty eight.

594
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: Neither here nor there was kind of close. The point

595
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 1: I'm trying to make is what I said before.

596
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 2: He's beating these guys.

597
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 1: He's he's better than them, but you're not exactly seeing

598
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: a lot of razzle dazzle that you might get a

599
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: little bit later in his game. Because now we're about

600
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 1: to move into the big boys of the division. And

601
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 1: this is to me the reformation, the beginning of the

602
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 1: reformation of Henry Suhudo. We moved to UFC one ninety seven.

603
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 1: This is in April of twenty sixteen in Las Vegas, Nevada,

604
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: he fights the champion, Demetrius Johnson, and BC, I hate to.

605
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 2: Say it, but it is true. We all know the story.

606
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: He gets worked like a summer job. Demitrius Johnson finishes

607
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: him inside the first round. And while there was a

608
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: moment here or there where Sahudo got a takedown or

609
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: looked pretty good, in the end he was clearly overmatched,

610
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: didn't have an answer for the clinch or the variety

611
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: of the game of Demetrius Johnson. And this was a

612
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: major wake up call that, yeah, there's those guys in

613
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: the back of the pack and then there's this guy

614
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: at the front of the pack, and there is a

615
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: huge gap between them.

616
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so Hudo I talked a lot of junk

617
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 3: in the in the previous fights post fight about DJ

618
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 3: leans on his wrestling too much. If you look at

619
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 3: the root of all of DJ's greatness, it all leads

620
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 3: back to his wrestling, and he's like, I'm better than

621
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 3: him there. And I think this was you know, it

622
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 3: was too much, too soon, But I think it was

623
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 3: also a Sahudo who was a little bit too cocky

624
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 3: and needed, you know, this rare sort of being dragged

625
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 3: out in public in front of us because whatever great

626
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 3: game plan to Hudo might have had coming in, we

627
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 3: just never got to see it. And that's because of

628
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 3: DJ's greatness. And really the turning point was that bright

629
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 3: moment that Suhudo had when he got that early takedown

630
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 3: and showed that physicality and like went right into double

631
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 3: leg on him. DJ did like a two footed like

632
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 3: kip up where he just kicks the Hudo off him.

633
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 3: You were like, oh, damn, okay, it was like all

634
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 3: right where you know, that was sort of a wake

635
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 3: up call. DJ and minus six hundred favorite in this

636
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 3: one Suhudo plus four hundred. But I specifically remember just

637
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 3: disappointment when when the when the finish happened, of just

638
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 3: being like ah man, I mean, he never even got going.

639
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 3: He never got even you know, he never even got

640
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 3: to show us whether he could compete at this level.

641
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 3: But the reason why he lost was the combination of

642
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 3: DJ's greatness in DJ finding that one area where maybe

643
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 3: he's not up to speed and exploiting it. And just

644
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 3: so you know about DJ, this was his eighth title

645
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 3: defense and Rogan already calling him on the walk to

646
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 3: the cage the greatest fighter pound for pound of all time.

647
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 3: So that's exactly where we're at. And Dude, as much

648
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 3: as this is about what Suhudo didn't do and learn from, dude,

649
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 3: how about DJ's angles on those knees from the clint

650
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 3: Ty Clinch. I mean, dude, that was so nasty, the

651
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 3: the vicious and it was mixing up too. I mean

652
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 3: it was kind of like, see this were su Hudo

653
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 3: learned to Hudo? Did it? That sequence where DJ bodied

654
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 3: him up there, I've seen that again in future Suhudo fights.

655
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 3: It's almost like, you know, you see him learning in

656
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 3: the moment. But dude, let's give the mouse some credit.

657
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 3: Like this version of him right here, this performance would

658
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 3: have probably beaten anybody of all you know in history.

659
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's insane.

660
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean understand where he was at right to

661
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: your point with the wind streak. But he had beaten

662
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: Ian McCall, he had beaten Joseph Benavitez twice. He had

663
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: beaten John Dotson twice. He had beaten Ali baga Utinov,

664
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: he had beaten Chris Carriosso he'd beaten Kiogi Horregucci. That

665
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: remember that one is where he gets the arm bar

666
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: at the very last second, was a four fifty nine,

667
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: a round number five. I mean this was peak peak

668
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: Demitrius Johnson b C. What I remember from this is

669
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: just that I think this was the moment that Henry

670
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: Sejudo realized, Okay, I can beat all these other guys basically,

671
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: just as I am an athlete who trains, gets ready,

672
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: cuts weight, I can just do that. I can beat

673
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: almost all these guys that way. But I'm really not

674
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: going to be able to do anything else unless I

675
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: do more. And Dimitrius Johnson was from a technical from

676
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: an athletic perspective, would you really say Dimitris Johns and

677
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: his miles ahead of Henry Huddo.

678
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 2: I certainly would not say that. But for me technical, well, he.

679
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 3: Mixes it with with being a little bit smarter and

680
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 3: planning a couple steps ahead. I don't think Sukhudo had

681
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 3: ever met his match on somebody who could out thinking

682
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 3: out game plan him there before.

683
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

684
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: And also you're just dealing with, in terms of MMA,

685
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: a generational talent in Demitrius Johnson in his own right right,

686
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: like the one of the very best fighters independent of

687
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: weight class. Ever, the level of technical, sophistication and experience

688
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: obviously in MMA as well. Remember, so Hudo doesn't have like,

689
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: what's he at this point ten fights? I mean this

690
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: when he fought DJ that was his eleventh fight, right,

691
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: I mean we're talking about a next level in terms

692
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: of just what Demitris Johnson had in terms of MMA.

693
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: And I think it really really really showed up in

694
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: this contest. And I also think it mentally set him

695
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: back besee because it wasn't just that he lost to

696
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: a really good guy, even though that is part of

697
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: the story. I think it kind of shattered some illusions

698
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,719
Speaker 1: he was holding about himself. Oh yeah, because he got finished. Right,

699
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: Let's understand that he got put away inside the first

700
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: round against this guy. He takes into his next fight,

701
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: which we're talking about just a second, I think, not

702
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: a losing attitude per s ABC, but he still couldn't

703
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: quite get right following that very bad loss.

704
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 3: Let me tell you what it was. The loss set

705
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 3: up well, that look a loss at the highest level.

706
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 3: This was Suhuto had won the Olympic gold who had

707
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 3: told us all Grady was finally got his title shot

708
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 3: and said all the things would happened, and they didn't.

709
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 3: That's going to start an identity crisis. Obviously, the great

710
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 3: ones at this level and this sport are able to

711
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 3: spin that into regrouping and coming back and doing exactly

712
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 3: what Suhudo did, but it's not an overnight process. This

713
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 3: leads perfectly into the Joseph Benafitez fight. Why because Shudo

714
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 3: is in mid identity crisis right now. He knows that

715
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 3: there was something majorly lacking in his game to get

716
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 3: to the level of where DJ was. But again, they

717
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 3: were calling DJ the greatest fighter of all time, right,

718
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 3: I mean at that moment, he also had to figure out,

719
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 3: like the formula, should I be leaning more on my

720
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 3: chin aggressiveness and warrior spirit. He was in an identity

721
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 3: crisis and we benefited from it because he caught a

722
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 3: peaking Joseph Benavitez at exactly the right time. But the

723
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 3: reason why this fight was so important and spoiler alerts

724
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 3: who doesn't even win this fight, was because this was

725
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 3: his first after changing team his team dramatically. He only

726
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 3: had eight weeks to prep ahead of the Benavida's fight

727
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 3: with the new camp, which had trainer the captain Eric Alberacin,

728
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 3: who had been Shudo's like wrestling partner going back to

729
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 3: the Olympic days there, you know, so there's real family

730
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 3: trust in there. But they had that other guy, Luke,

731
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 3: the white guy was his name, Santiago like, it was

732
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 3: a completely new team, and that started the rewiring of

733
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,439
Speaker 3: the mind. I think it just was too soon here

734
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 3: against Benavitez, against a great fighter, like, let's give let's

735
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 3: give you know, uh, Megan's husband some love here. It

736
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 3: took the problem, but you got to watch the process

737
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 3: play out in a fun way in front of you

738
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 3: because he didn't he didn't know what he needed to

739
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 3: do yet, Luke, but he was willing to try it,

740
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 3: and it just was a good action fight at the

741
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 3: right time.

742
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: Yes, the loss to Demetrius Johnson set in motion a

743
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: certain mental awareness about where he was and where he

744
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: needed to be and what was missing. He's still, to

745
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: your point, working out the kinks against Joseph Benavidez, coming

746
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: off of a season where there are coaches on The

747
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: Ultimate Fighter. So of course we jumped out to December third,

748
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:31,439
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, the Ultimate Fighter Tournament of Champions Finale, where

749
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: these two guys were coaches, Joseph Benavitez and Henry Sahudo.

750
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: No Henry loses this contest. Now, BC, there's two things

751
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: to this contest that are important. I think your characterization

752
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: of like he's kind of in this middle ground where

753
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: he can still do a lot of stuff well, but

754
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: he wants to be more than that, but he doesn't

755
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: quite know how to get there, but he's willing to try.

756
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: He gets himself into a little bit of trouble. Number One,

757
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: he gets a point deducted in the first round for

758
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 1: low blows. I thought the referee was a little heavy handed,

759
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: but I'm not really all that mad at it. And

760
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: number two, even with that, I think you could argue

761
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: that Suhudo won, But I'm gonna say that the back

762
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 1: to back losses are what really fueled him to the

763
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: next level.

764
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 3: No question about it. And getting a deeper entrenchment with

765
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 3: a new team and figuring out what they can bring

766
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 3: in to add and work with what's already there. Look,

767
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 3: that stuff takes time and not to you know, be

768
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 3: labored the point about the identity crisis, But this was

769
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,479
Speaker 3: the tough season here where Sahudo, even though he'd lost

770
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 3: to DJ, was put back in another spot by the

771
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 3: UFC to be front facing because this card was the

772
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 3: ultimate Fighter Tournament of Champions finale that they were headlining,

773
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 3: but Benavidez chipped away Luke throughout that tough season and

774
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 3: they showed. You know, when you go back and you

775
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 3: watch this fight, you can see some of those clips

776
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 3: like where he was attacking that basically calling Suhudo like

777
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 3: a fake all American, like calculated at every turn. All

778
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 3: the things he says is pre written in advance, like

779
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 3: he's a politician. And I wonder if the timing of

780
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 3: all that really messed with Henry trying to figure out

781
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 3: who he is as a fighter, what's his identity? Where

782
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 3: it let in he was willing to throw, like in fact,

783
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 3: Anak in the first round was like, this is a

784
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 3: different urgency than we've ever seen from Suhudo, And that's

785
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,919
Speaker 3: a great way to sum it up. He wanted to fight,

786
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 3: he brought the fight, but I think he was leaning

787
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 3: too much on that other side, that machismos side, then

788
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 3: figuring out that right formula still in the process in

789
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 3: the lab here of how to be the thinker just

790
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 3: the same. But with that said, this may be the

791
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 3: best Joseph Benavitez there ever was, Like this night, this

792
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 3: portion of his career. He was riding a five fight

793
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,959
Speaker 3: win streak coming in since getting knocked out by DJ

794
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 3: in the rematch, he would go on, you know, to

795
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 3: not climb that mountain, but at least put himself back in.

796
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 3: And he had the two title fights there with Figuredo,

797
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 3: and it didn't go his way, and he walked away

798
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 3: as one of the best fighters in this sport who

799
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 3: never won a UFC title. To be fair, he's in

800
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 3: that list. Joseph Benavidez is of that ilk. But he

801
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 3: was really calculated in the cage too, in how he

802
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 3: never allowed Suhudo any of space to breathe to set

803
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 3: up like Benavetez was darting in and out like a

804
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 3: like an absolute prime champion.

805
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: Two of the things that would point out just statistically,

806
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 1: he stuffed six of seven shots from Henry Sahudo. Hendry

807
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: Sejudo only got one takedown in the first round, which

808
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: only ever afforded him a whopping ready for this six

809
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: seconds of control time, virtually nothing. He whiffed on all

810
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: takedown attempts there was actually none in the second round,

811
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: and then he whiffed on four in the third, so

812
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: he really shut him down there. And also like the

813
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 1: striking was really really close. Listen to these totals BC

814
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,760
Speaker 1: round of around. Now these are numeric, not qualitative totals,

815
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: but it tells you kind of what things had happened

816
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: for Benavidez and Sahudo goes as follows in round one

817
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: twenty two to twenty one, right next to each other,

818
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: Round two twenty two to twenty one, Round three twenty

819
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: five to twenty six.

820
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 2: I mean, they were right there.

821
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,479
Speaker 1: That one thing that I would say that I saw

822
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: from Henry in this fight, especially I think towards the

823
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: third round BC bodywork, body work from Henry Sahudo to

824
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: the point you raise about problem solving. Now we put

825
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: it together a little bit too late, but you're beginning

826
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: to see pieces of the game come to him, and

827
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: some of that body work he invested in in that

828
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: third round. I thought to me, I was like, hmm,

829
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: that's an interesting and interesting angle. But the reality was,

830
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 1: we see that wasn't enough to create separation from himself

831
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: and just Benavidez in the eyes of the judges, especially

832
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: after the losing that point.

833
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 3: Obviously, from what we know now we can say these

834
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 3: two losses he needed it. They allowed him the you

835
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 3: know self referential ability to look at what he's doing

836
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 3: how he can change it. And obviously now entering a

837
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 3: second camp with elber Sin and the new team and

838
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 3: all together. But like, I mean, this could have gone

839
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 3: another way. But yeah, imagine if he had won the

840
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 3: Benavidez fight by split decision. I think it got hailed

841
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 3: as the fight of the year in twenty sixteen. D

842
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 3: You can, people can dead wrong me here, but I

843
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 3: think it was. It wasn't as great on second watch,

844
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 3: by the way, as I remember in real time, but

845
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 3: it was a fun action fight at a high level.

846
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 3: If he had won that, Luke, you wonder if he

847
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 3: leans more on that on just coming in as a

848
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 3: slugger in the future, or if the second straight loss

849
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 3: and a high profile moment, right this is the ultimate

850
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 3: fighter finale after he coached that had to humble him

851
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,280
Speaker 3: and make him go, Okay, I've got to really figure

852
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 3: out and finish the science here and really figure out

853
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 3: how to get the most out of myself in another level.

854
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 3: And dude, that began with the next fight against Wilson Hayes,

855
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 3: where he was just on a different wavelength. Obviously the

856
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 3: opponent changes affect that to a large degree. But look,

857
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,439
Speaker 3: he was like a execution in this fight.

858
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. Fun fact, I went to a Wilson Hayes.

859
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: He used to train in this area round two thousand

860
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: and seven or so, and I went to one of

861
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: his seminars and the guy who gave him a black belt,

862
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 1: Huberto Goodoi shouts to Rob was a Ryan Hall and

863
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: Seph Smith adventure over at Nova MMA. So just a

864
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: little bit of making it all about me, b see,

865
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: which I love to do, all right, either here nor

866
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: there for.

867
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 3: A little bit about you a little bit.

868
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, September nine.

869
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 3: Not an aerial level of splashing the pool Luke.

870
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 2: Okay, you know what I mean.

871
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: That's that's tough to match. All right, Here we go

872
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: September ninth, twenty seventeen.

873
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 2: BC.

874
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,240
Speaker 1: It's a performance of the night. It's against Wilson Hayes.

875
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: Two things I want to say stand out to me

876
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: about this fight.

877
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 2: BC.

878
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: Number One, it's an Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. Now, it's not

879
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: fair to say that after the two back to back

880
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: losses to Demetrius in a title fight and then Joseph

881
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: ben Avidez coming off the Ultimate Fighter, that the UFC

882
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: had lost confidence in Henry Sujudo. But to me it

883
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: looks like they were hedging at least a little bit.

884
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: Now they put him on the main card in a

885
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: pay per view, but now they're not worried about, Hey,

886
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: can we put this guy in Mexico? Can we put

887
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: this guy in La Can we put this guy in

888
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: parts of you know, Texas that's got that crossover audience.

889
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: You're gonna ship your ass to Canada because you're just

890
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: gonna put you where we need you.

891
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 2: At this point you begin to see was.

892
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 3: Nudas Chefchenko too? So a great fight like for legacy

893
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 3: on paper, but not a fan like jumping out the

894
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 3: door to see it.

895
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 2: Not a huge card in that way.

896
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 3: Right he's in Siberia basically.

897
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was on the main card. So again

898
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 1: they're not they're not totally lost confidence. But I want

899
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 1: to put they clearly had begun to dial it back

900
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: a little bit. That's the first thing. But the biggest

901
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: thing I took away from this fight BC, and how

902
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: could you miss it? The new stance, the new swag,

903
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: the new verve. He comes out. He looked like a

904
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: man born again, born anew He had not just a

905
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: new style BC, but he had the confidence in it,

906
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: and it showed the entire time.

907
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 3: I mean just the crispness, the confidence. I mean, this

908
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 3: was We'd seen flashes of of what Henry could look

909
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 3: like doing this for a whole fight at this level before,

910
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 3: but not at this level. And it's like, Okay, well, Wilson,

911
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 3: Hayes isn't Benevetez or Johnson. But Hayes was coming directly

912
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,240
Speaker 3: off his title loss to Demetrius Johnson. So Henry along

913
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 3: the way really had to face, you know, tough guys

914
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 3: at tough times to find out how good he can be.

915
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 3: This was no different from that. Look. I thought it

916
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 3: was weird though. That's Huno came into this fight ranked

917
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,760
Speaker 3: two in the division despite being fresh off two straight defeats.

918
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 2: They always the guys who do the rankings.

919
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, the guys who do the rankings suck at

920
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: their jobs and in general, and what you often find

921
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 1: is that dude, if you if let's say I'm ranked

922
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: I don't know seven or something or no, maybe not

923
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: in that five, and you're ranked, you're the champion, and

924
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: I give you a tough fight, but I lose, they'll

925
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: make me number one contender, Like well, if you think

926
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: about it, he really just when in fact, I don't

927
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: deserve that ranking at all in that circumstance.

928
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 2: Granted. Now, I also want to say, at the time.

929
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: There was a little bit of dispute about the judging

930
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: in the Benavidez and Sahuta fight because of the point deduction.

931
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: You couldn't really cry that much, but it was very close.

932
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 3: The point deduction wouldn't have changed it back to a

933
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 3: Sahuda win or a draw.

934
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so.

935
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is all of it kind of

936
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,720
Speaker 1: not conspired, but all of it kind of worked together

937
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: to create more controversy in the end.

938
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 3: A Well, look, this was the fight I was referencing

939
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 3: that we remember when DJ finished Shudo and the humbled

940
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 3: him and how he worked the ty clinch at you know,

941
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 3: not necessarily Anderson Silver Rich Franklin levels, but dominant. Well,

942
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,760
Speaker 3: this was the fight against Wilson Hayes in the second round.

943
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 3: That's so Hudo did exactly that Luke. That was almost

944
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 3: it was almost virtuoso, like that stretch where he had

945
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 3: Hayes in the clinch and he would mix up kicks,

946
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 3: calf kicks, knees kicks to the body like he really

947
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 3: the variety of offense and how easily he would just

948
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 3: grab hold of Hayes and just trap him like he

949
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 3: was a man possessed. But he was a wrecking ball.

950
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 3: And the timing was great because Demetrius Johnson was front

951
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 3: row with his wife and had a huge smile on

952
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 3: his face and was like, I'm ready, bro, let's bring

953
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 3: this on. And interesting tidbit. So Hudo revealed after the

954
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 3: fight that he had trained with Leodo Machedah behind the

955
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 3: scenes and that was part of him changing his stance

956
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 3: to a more Machiitah like one. Macheda is also in

957
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 3: Mike Perry's corner ahead of his BKFC breakthrough win over

958
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 3: Luke Rockold. You do the math there, Luke.

959
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 2: Okay, no, very good.

960
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: But the one thing about Wilson Hayes heading into this

961
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: was he had some wins, he had some losses. He

962
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: was obviously a much bigger name at the time, well

963
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: even before that, really during the oughts, he was a

964
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: big name in the grappling circuit and on the ground

965
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: he is, you know, just not to be trifled with.

966
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: He is very, very good, but you know, he was

967
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: never a great striker, and even in this fight was

968
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: not a great striker, So I think I remember.

969
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 2: Folks being like, okay, it's a nice win by Henry.

970
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: He definitely looked good in the win, but he outstruck

971
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: a guy and out wrestled a guy essentially because he

972
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: had two takedowns in the fight as well, that he

973
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: should have done that too. They were in that particular dimensions,

974
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: or those two dimensions, he should be much better, and

975
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: in fact he was. So now we move along BC,

976
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 1: we go a little bit further. They keep him on

977
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: the pay per views UFC two eighteen, but he's in Detroit, Michigan.

978
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: UFC two eighteen took place December second and was headlined

979
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: by Holloway versus Aldo two. This fight, in particular took

980
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: place in the same one the last one did, which

981
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: was the third fight.

982
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 2: On the main card.

983
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: So he's still doing that kind of Northeast tour a

984
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 1: little bit on these On these decent sized pay per views,

985
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 1: he fights Sergio PETTESPI see to me an unremarkable fight,

986
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: but remarkable in one sense.

987
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:07,280
Speaker 2: If I may, yeah.

988
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: Off of the two losses to Demetrius and Benavidez, he

989
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,439
Speaker 1: has three more fights. We'll talk about the next one,

990
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: the rematch against DJ where it all begins to turn

991
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 1: for him. But the Hayes, Petis and Demetrius Johnson fights.

992
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: These are the last three fights he uses wrestling, and

993
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: his three fights after that he does not. Now he

994
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: uses it thoroughly in this contest. He gets takedowns on

995
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: all three. Basically, Pettis spends about three minutes in each round. Underneath,

996
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: there's not much more to the story or am I

997
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: missing something here?

998
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 3: I look back on this and a fight we easily

999
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 3: could have skipped that he easily could have forgotten. Yet

1000
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 3: like talking up those decision wins over Camus or Ducier Formiga,

1001
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 3: that can be forgettable. In the same way we can

1002
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,439
Speaker 3: look at how much shudo problem solved and grew. This

1003
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 3: is problem solving at a different level. He just came

1004
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:59,760
Speaker 3: off an offensively dominant performance in which he stopped Wilson Hayes,

1005
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 3: who was fresh off of fighting for the title. You

1006
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 3: would have thought he would lean more in that direction,

1007
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 3: Yet he looked at this. Pettis, who was just twenty four,

1008
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 3: was firmly established four fight winning streat coming in, and

1009
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 3: the last three were over moreno Moraga and Carriaso. So

1010
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 3: like he's showing you that he can beat the elites

1011
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 3: and that he's legit and five inch reach advantage and

1012
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 3: two inch height advantage. Though for Pettis, so you wonder

1013
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 3: if Sahudo's coming in and going if I try to

1014
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 3: be that technically brilliant that same way I was against

1015
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 3: you know, heyes, I'm not going to be able to

1016
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 3: bully him because Pettis moved so much. But with that reach,

1017
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 3: maybe this is potentially a losing battle. So he leans

1018
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 3: on the strength the foundation of who he is a fighter,

1019
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 3: and even with the crowd booing, look, this fight was

1020
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 3: about securing a title shot. I actually liked that he

1021
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 3: went out there and showed us once again. I know

1022
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 3: the last fight I leaned on my striking and I

1023
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 3: was nasty and dominant with the new stance in my

1024
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,879
Speaker 3: second fight with my new team. But if I need

1025
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 3: to at any point, regardless of your entertainment level of happiness,

1026
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 3: I could break this out and completely control a fight. Dude, Like,

1027
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 3: I respect looking back at how key with this was,

1028
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 3: knowing the rematch with DJ came directly after. Dude, he

1029
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 3: like needed this as elite level practice in a way

1030
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 3: to really formulate, round out and make all aspects of

1031
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 3: his game speak to each other and flow off of

1032
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 3: each other. That's another part of what he does. He

1033
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 3: doesn't just have all the ingredients. Everything blends, Luke. He's

1034
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 3: a very detailed technician in that regard.

1035
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: Also, the other thing though that I take away, I

1036
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: have a slightly different view on it, which is, you know,

1037
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: beating Wilson Hayes and the striking again, you're beating a

1038
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: guy with striking who's not good at it, beating Sergio

1039
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: Petis with predominantly, not exclusively obviously, but predominantly wrestling. It's like,

1040
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: you didn't fight the jiu jitsu guy on his terms

1041
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: against Hayes or against Petis. You didn't fight the striker

1042
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 1: on his terms to beat him, and of course you

1043
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 1: don't have to. In fact, part of the game is

1044
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: getting around that. But to me, running into Demitrius Johnson

1045
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: not once but twice made this guy so much better

1046
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 1: than he was I think ordinarily would have been because

1047
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: it made him confront the weak areas in a way

1048
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: that no other opponent really ever could. I mean, the

1049
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: reality is BC when you go to Pettis and Hayes

1050
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: and Formiga and Camus. Honestly, you could hide in those fights,

1051
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: so to speak, if you're Henry su Hudo, you can

1052
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 1: hide behind the fact that you don't have certain parts

1053
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: of your game developed and you can just work on

1054
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: the other ones and those are good enough to win.

1055
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: It is against Demetrius where there is no place to hide,

1056
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: and once you really get nakedly drawn out that way,

1057
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 1: that's when the worm begins to turn.

1058
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 3: And look, don't forget quickly, because I forget all the time.

1059
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 3: UFC two eighteen This card in Detroit. This gotta be

1060
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 3: one of the greatest pay per view cards in the

1061
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 3: history of the sport that we never talk about. This

1062
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 3: was the first seven fights. Tell me if I'm overplaying it, okay,

1063
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 3: Holloway Aldo two in ganu ovarim so hudo pettis, which

1064
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 3: is this fight Alvarez Gaichi Tisha versus Waterson, and the

1065
00:49:54,120 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 3: two featured prelims were Felder versus Charles Olivera and Yancy

1066
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,240
Speaker 3: Maderos in that Flight of the Year contending brawl against

1067
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:04,320
Speaker 3: Cowboy Olivera.

1068
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: Yeh h that's a pretty good one. That's a great

1069
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: one that Felder win. I forget that.

1070
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 2: If your folks are going to remember, that's the one

1071
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 2: where he.

1072
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: Like nailed Olivera into the canvas with elbows through his

1073
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: guard with utterly reckless and he still.

1074
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 2: Did it anyway. Yeah.

1075
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, So let's move it though to the point where

1076
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: I think this is where you get maybe maybe after

1077
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: the two losses between Hayes and Pettis, you got you know,

1078
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,919
Speaker 1: one point five, but this is really version two point

1079
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: zero against Demitrius Johnson. We moved to UFC two twenty seven.

1080
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 1: Now we're in twenty eighteen. And by the way, I

1081
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: was trying to like pinpoint when some of the cringe

1082
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: stuff started. It's around this time, or maybe a little

1083
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 1: bit after it, where it really begins to heat up.

1084
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: Obviously before the Dila Show fight, you're getting some of

1085
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: him leaning into this newer identity by this point, of course,

1086
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: took place at the Staple Center in Los Angeles, California,

1087
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,720
Speaker 1: with a decent attendance. Your main event on that card

1088
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,439
Speaker 1: was Dela Shaw versus garb Rand, where Dela Shaw wins

1089
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: two in the in that particular contest. This was the

1090
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 1: co main event BC. Here were the scores, because we

1091
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: should start there forty eight forty seven to one way,

1092
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 1: forty eight forty seven another way, and then finally Henry

1093
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 1: Sejudo gets the forty eight forty seven to two of

1094
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: them eight super close contest. What is the story of

1095
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 1: this fight? What did you learn about Henry Sejudo.

1096
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 3: That he not only needed to lose to DJ the

1097
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 3: first time, but the full totality of the back to

1098
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 3: back losses during the time that he's working with a

1099
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 3: new team and Henry Suhuto figuring it out because that

1100
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 3: identity crisis was so necessary because of the fighter he

1101
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 3: was in this fight, the switching stances with ease, the

1102
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 3: variety to his offensive attack that was at DJ's level,

1103
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 3: and then obviously when we know that he can take

1104
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 3: the fight to the ground and look, there was some

1105
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 3: just beautiful grappling exchanges between these two of reversing position.

1106
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 3: Like I forgot how much when this fight ends, did

1107
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 3: Rogan was going nuts? I mean not only the catchy

1108
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 3: line of Henry so Hudo you just shocked the world,

1109
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 3: but like going nuts of like man, this was a great,

1110
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 3: great fight. This was also something that I missed in

1111
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 3: real time, Luke, because I do think you know, there's

1112
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 3: a great case that DJ should have won this fight.

1113
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 3: I felt he wonted three rounds to two first time

1114
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 3: watching it. You look back, the DJ also had two

1115
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 3: major injuries that he would reveal after the fight coming

1116
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 3: into this one. And by the way, he fought great

1117
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 3: and you know, argued that he could have won, and

1118
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:31,879
Speaker 3: then he never fought again, didn't get a rematch, got

1119
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 3: traded away, yet gave literally the most humble post fight

1120
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 3: interview that any fighter could ever give. I mean, he

1121
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 3: came in here having broken the UFC record for eleven

1122
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 3: title defenses, you know, being called pomp for pound, the

1123
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 3: greatest ever, like with a bullet, Like was that dude

1124
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 3: loses in a great fight, has an argument that it

1125
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 3: was you know that he got screwed over, was injured

1126
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 3: on top of it, and then it's like, yeah, I'll

1127
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 3: be fine, man. My wife's gonna have a third child.

1128
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 3: Can't wait to go sit home and see my beautiful wife.

1129
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 3: Oh shock, see you guys later. But like, that's who

1130
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 3: DJ was, So I want to tip the cap to

1131
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 3: him in that regard. But rewatching it, you see the

1132
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 3: brilliance and the level that Suhudo's actually at and how

1133
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 3: he was able to raise his game at the end

1134
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,879
Speaker 3: of round two when Rogan's yelling we have a fight,

1135
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 3: when Suhudo finally secures like a clean takedown and really

1136
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 3: just starts to try to physically impose himself, Like, dude,

1137
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 3: looking back, this was a great fight, and he really

1138
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 3: had to notch you up his game to give DJ trouble,

1139
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 3: whether those injuries compromised him or not. But what you love, though,

1140
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 3: is that DJ will never lean on that and barely

1141
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 3: ever tell you about it.

1142
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: And now they're seemingly fast friends. I think they both

1143
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 1: have reverence for what the other guy has accomplished, both

1144
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 1: against one another, and then independent of that. I mean,

1145
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: the real story of this fight is definitely how Henry

1146
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: Sujuto made it much more competitive than I think some

1147
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 1: of the fans of Mighty Mouse would either like you

1148
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: to believe or would remember. On the other hand, the

1149
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: scoring is controversial, and here's why. Like again, these are

1150
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: numeric total, not qualitative. But Demitrius Johnson landing eighty one

1151
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: significant strikes, Henry Shudo just fifty one, thirty more than him.

1152
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: That's a lot when there's not that much overall volume

1153
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 1: to begin with. But the difference we see was the

1154
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: three takedowns by Henry Suhudo. He got one in the

1155
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 1: second round, he got one in the fourth, and he

1156
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:19,399
Speaker 1: got one in the fifth. And when he got him,

1157
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: he got control time a minute twenty nine, two minutes

1158
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: and fourteen seconds, and then about a minute in round

1159
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: number five. The scoring of those rounds actually ends in

1160
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: terms of the striking, ends up being really close. So

1161
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: that's where he begins to edge and folks were like,

1162
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 1: well did he do a lot of ground and pound?

1163
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 2: Did he not?

1164
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: Here's what I'll say again. If you wanted to make

1165
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 1: a case for Demetrius winning a fight, that's okay. But

1166
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 1: what I did think that Henry achieved here and not

1167
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: just breaking through and getting a win over a major name,

1168
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: but what he did was he brought Demetrius back to earth.

1169
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 1: Yeah right, Demetrius was so much better than these other

1170
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:53,919
Speaker 1: guys where he was just you know, sometimes the fights

1171
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: would go longer. Tim Elliot was bigger than you imagine,

1172
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: but you never really believe they were that close, you

1173
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 1: Henry Suhudo age, you believe they were actually pretty close together,

1174
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: that this was going to be a grind it out

1175
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:06,959
Speaker 1: to the fifth round, that maybe if he got lucky.

1176
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 2: I don't know things.

1177
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: There was just a certain level of parody between them,

1178
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: least seemingly it felt that way in real time that

1179
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: the scoring might not necessarily speak to And it wasn't.

1180
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:19,280
Speaker 3: Just that he put together more dynamic footwork pattern switching

1181
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 3: stances on the fly and striking, which you know allows

1182
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 3: him to get closer and suddenly he's right up on you.

1183
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 3: He was willing to eat DJ's big shots, and these

1184
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,439
Speaker 3: are the kind of shots that DJ sometimes finishes people.

1185
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 3: But there was a particular sequence in that first round

1186
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 3: where Shudo partially ate a pretty big head kick yet

1187
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 3: walked right through it, switch stances, rotated in and that

1188
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 3: was the first time he popped the crowd there when

1189
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 3: he landed a clean left hand to DJ, and as

1190
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 3: DJ was like turtle showing, he was putting it on

1191
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 3: him in the clinch. So it was the establishment of

1192
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 3: that physicality for sure. But like man I wish, I

1193
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,760
Speaker 3: didn't focus so much, and that's why it was hard

1194
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 3: when Shuto would go from here to not too long

1195
00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:59,959
Speaker 3: after get the chance to become a two division champion

1196
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 3: and being praised with saving this division. It was hard

1197
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 3: when I didn't feel like in real time he won

1198
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 3: this fight, but in hindsight, his adjustments, his ability to

1199
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 3: just always be on DJ and not letting not letting

1200
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 3: DJ flow and do the crazy stuff that he had

1201
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 3: just did against ray Borg, right, getting that ridiculous submission

1202
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 3: out of thin air. This was wild. And we have

1203
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 3: to also mention when we talk about Sujudo's mental toughness. Dude,

1204
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 3: he rolled his ankle. Basically, DJ cack kipped him so

1205
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 3: hard in the first round that Suhudo want to step

1206
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:30,959
Speaker 3: and his toes coiled under him and he pushed down

1207
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 3: and probably strained his ankle and yet recovered in a

1208
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 3: pretty miraculous way afterwards. So Shudo said in the postfin

1209
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 3: interview that he won the fight with composure. This is

1210
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 3: on full display against you know, arguably the best fighter

1211
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 3: of all time. Exactly why Sujudo deserves its flowers and

1212
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 3: why this night, even though Eric Albertine was going sick

1213
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 3: in the celebration and it was this feel good moment,

1214
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 3: you were right, we were actually starting the cringe eraw

1215
00:56:56,719 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 3: right here when it should have been. Hey, La, I've

1216
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 3: got an incredible backstory in this city, you know what

1217
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 3: I mean? My mom, single mom like just all the

1218
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 3: things and we got through it and I won Olympic

1219
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 3: gold and now I want a championship right here. Yet

1220
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,439
Speaker 3: now all we do after this, Luke is talk about

1221
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 3: how cringe his social media videos are. You know what

1222
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 3: I mean. I mean, it doesn't matter, right who cares?

1223
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 3: But I want to like, this is like this guy's

1224
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 3: a folk hero, Luke, this is ridiculous. So Henry Sujudo's

1225
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 3: MMA career is ridiculous. It really is. It really is.

1226
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: It's super unlikely. And I also feel like the confidence

1227
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: he gained from this just buoyed him in next level ways,

1228
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 1: like just the feeling of beating Dimitrius, because remember, through

1229
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: the Demetrius johnsonph He's got one stoppage. The rest of

1230
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 1: them are all decisions split or unanimous.

1231
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 2: That's it. He's got the one thing. So it's not

1232
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 2: like he's really put it on these guys.

1233
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: But beating a name this good, even though it was

1234
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:49,919
Speaker 1: so hotly contested, I think, really elevated him. And then

1235
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: after that BC he gets nothing but finishes without using

1236
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 1: his wrestling. It really did something to him internally.

1237
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 2: I think.

1238
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: Again, people can dispute the scoring, but he accepted it.

1239
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: I think the strength of that performance and again controlling

1240
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 1: DJ and as many times as he did, for as

1241
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: long as he did, we just you can maybe say

1242
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 1: you saw that in the Miguel Torres fight, but that

1243
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: was a different weight class, different era. This was this

1244
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 1: version of DJ. No one had done that to him,

1245
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: and I think it really bolstered Henry Sujudo's confidence. So

1246
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: BC that takes us too now because we're say.

1247
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 3: In the postfight interview, he would say, where's Dana White?

1248
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 3: I feel disrespected. I want the winner of the main event,

1249
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 3: which was Dila Shaw versus Guard Brandt two for the

1250
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 3: Bandam White title. So he's coming full out and saying like,

1251
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 3: now he's demanding. That's where you gotta give him credit.

1252
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 2: Luke.

1253
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 3: He did at every turn step up and be like,

1254
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 3: this is what I want, this is what I need

1255
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 3: to be great, Give me what I want. They gave

1256
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 3: him what he wanted, Luke.

1257
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 2: They did, and then some.

1258
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: So here we have a really special moment. We jumped

1259
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 1: to twenty nineteen. Excuse me, January nineteenth of twenty nineteen

1260
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn.

1261
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 2: New York.

1262
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: I was at I was at several of these events,

1263
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 1: but I was definitely at this one. Here's the story

1264
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: for this one. This was the very first for folks

1265
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: wo may not remember. This was the very first fight

1266
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 1: on ESPN Plus with the new UFC deal. This was

1267
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 1: the headlining bout. And remember this was Henry Shudo, now

1268
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 1: your UFC flyweight champion, defending against Dillashaw. But BC there

1269
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:21,919
Speaker 1: was a really big and important context of this which

1270
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with ESPN, but more about the

1271
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: flyweight division. The flyweight division had been gutted, you had

1272
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: mentioned following this loss. Eventually DJ finds his way over

1273
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 1: in one championship. They send over Ben Askrin, they let

1274
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 1: Shorty Torres go, They let a bunch of flyweights go,

1275
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 1: and it wasn't really clear if this division was going

1276
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 1: to live. And part of the way which this fight

1277
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 1: was promoted on this card was not just the bantaweight

1278
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 1: champion is going to try to drop ten pounds to

1279
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: take it from the flyweight champ, but that this is

1280
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 1: a fight to save the flyweight division. In the end,

1281
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 1: he succeeded, but it was fairly interesting and unique consequences

1282
00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 1: in this fight.

1283
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 3: And I'd be honest, I hate that this fight. I

1284
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 3: hate as a fan. I hate this fight because ultimately

1285
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 3: what it robbed me of of what could have been

1286
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 3: a great fight between two great fighters if this had

1287
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 3: been for the bantamweight title, like Suhudo asked, and I

1288
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 3: know originally it was thought that maybe this could be

1289
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 3: a two fight series. And when Sahudo finishes dil Shaw

1290
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 3: here in the first round, that's his talk of he

1291
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 3: don't worry TJ. I'll fight you again at bandaweight. Now

1292
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 3: they probably would have if not for TJ getting hit

1293
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 3: hard by Usada and then we brought in the marsh fight.

1294
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 3: But Luke I hate this because him against TJ at

1295
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 3: this point at bantamweight would have been a great fight,

1296
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 3: you know, stylistically in terms of their elite skill level

1297
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 3: thinking it would have been and could have been tremendous. Instead,

1298
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 3: they gave TJ the chance at greatness, which even TJ

1299
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 3: I felt at that moment. It's like, you know, I

1300
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 3: mean it used to be Lukeworth. You get a chance

1301
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 3: to fight for a title in a second weight class,

1302
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 3: maybe indifferent than a Kenny Floorian situation because he lost both,

1303
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 3: but they did kind of rush him against Aldough. But

1304
01:00:57,640 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 3: if you're trying to do it to become a two

1305
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 3: division champion. It almost used to be like there was

1306
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 3: this unofficial gate there that like you had to get

1307
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 3: a certain star level or earn a certain amount, you know,

1308
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 3: to get where they'd give you that. I thought it

1309
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 3: was interesting here that they gave it to TJ, and

1310
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 3: that they made it so much about the flyweights when

1311
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 3: even though TJ had t's for years that he could

1312
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 3: make the cut. Dude, we all and I was, you know,

1313
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 3: I was always a big TJ fan fighting for his

1314
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 3: pound for pound ranking when other people were talking about

1315
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 3: different things against him, some justified, some not. But uh,

1316
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 3: you know, he was compromised to I mean, he was

1317
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:34,479
Speaker 3: badly compromised on top of that, Luke, I still hate

1318
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:36,919
Speaker 3: this stoppage, even though I know you can slow down

1319
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 3: the video and you can show me how many times

1320
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 3: TJ was getting hit flushed there. I still don't understand,

1321
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 3: after watching the replays a million times, how he actually

1322
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 3: fell and was dropped because it didn't look like there

1323
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 3: was a clean strike that really did that. I do

1324
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 3: give credit it, No, I still don't understand. It was

1325
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 3: like a grazing, partial shot.

1326
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 2: Kind of ear. He gets hit behind the ear.

1327
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe that's maybe It's one of those equilibrium shots

1328
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 3: that just just uh think.

1329
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 1: He gets hit behind the ear, which is a delicate

1330
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 1: spot to get hit with at times, and he's drained

1331
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 1: himself to the most absurd degrees. There's a photo that

1332
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 1: I think Bretto Komoto maybe a ESPN had posted where

1333
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 1: you get this before TJ.

1334
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 2: I mean obviously for folk whom gonna remember you had

1335
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 2: referenced it.

1336
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 1: But following this fight is when Yusauto discovers that TJ

1337
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 1: is testing positive for EPO and he is suspended and

1338
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 1: everything else.

1339
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 2: But there's this picture that goes out.

1340
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 1: I hopefully our editors can find it where TJ is

1341
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 1: sitting at a table and there's, like I'm not kidding,

1342
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: like a hundred different pill bottles there and he's taking

1343
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 1: all of these different, apparently over the counterpills to help

1344
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:40,919
Speaker 1: him get his weight down. He does make the weight,

1345
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: but he.

1346
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 2: Just had no punch resistance at all.

1347
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 3: Look, even though the or even though the stoppage prevented

1348
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 3: him from most likely getting you know, clean, cold can

1349
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 3: cuss like I'm not doubting that in a championship fight,

1350
01:02:56,080 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 3: with his history of durability, even with the wake, I

1351
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 3: felt like it was an early stoppage.

1352
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean what ends up happening is he recovers

1353
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 1: from the initial shot, gets back up and then gets

1354
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 1: dropped a second time, and then basically after the second time,

1355
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 1: and then a subsequent punch without being uncontested. Then referee

1356
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 1: Kevin McDonald, who looks like the lead singer of a

1357
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 1: rockabilly band, jumps in and tries to save him there,

1358
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 1: and then you can see actually Dila Shaw immediately protests

1359
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 1: that have been stopped.

1360
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 3: This ties in, though it does tie in with if

1361
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 3: at the point, I'm like, well, so who didn't beat

1362
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 3: dj I thought that he got the wrong decision, and

1363
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 3: now he beats a compromised Dilla Shaw because now it's

1364
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 3: a different playing field for where Sahudo believes he's at

1365
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 3: and where the MMA public is ready to accept that

1366
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 3: he's at. Annex screaming after the stoppage, Henry Sujudo might

1367
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 3: have just punched his ticket to the Hall of Fame,

1368
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 3: and yet he's just getting started, And so Hudo would

1369
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 3: say the victory was bigger than me, This win was

1370
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 3: for the flyweights. He would also Luke, as you teased earlier,

1371
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 3: say where's Dana I challenge you and Hunter to have

1372
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 3: a meeting with me, because Henry Sejudo needs to get paid.

1373
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 3: So he really was allowed to elevate himself to like

1374
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 3: almost a McGregor, not McGregor level, but like out of nowhere.

1375
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 3: Henry Suhudo was like the star of stars who was

1376
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 3: looking to make the biggest fights possible, almost in a

1377
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 3: Connor like way, And I think what comes with that?

1378
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 3: And at the moment I was sort of like, man,

1379
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 3: you know, I love him, he's great, but I don't

1380
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 3: think he's really that. I think circumstances may have played

1381
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 3: a part in it. You know, in hindsight, I regret

1382
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 3: leaning on that, Luke. But when you are an opportunist

1383
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 3: and you're willing to hatch up great ideas and the

1384
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 3: company's willing to give you that chance, and you slide

1385
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 3: in there and then you perform like he did here,

1386
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 3: what am I going to say at the end of

1387
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 3: the day, Dude, He went out there and earned it,

1388
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 3: you know.

1389
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 2: Fair enough.

1390
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 1: But I think from this contest what I took was, yeah,

1391
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 1: TJ was compromised, there's no doubt about that, and the

1392
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 1: stoppage wasn't great. But for what we saw Henry Sahudo

1393
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 1: looked awesome. His punching looked heavy, his accuracy looked good,

1394
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 1: his finishing instinct was on point. I mean, he did

1395
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 1: everything within reason you could expect for him to do.

1396
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:14,479
Speaker 1: And I want to point out this was beforehand when

1397
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 1: remember he's doing props at the press conference where he's

1398
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 1: taken out a snake and then smashing it on the ground, right,

1399
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 1: because obviously at the time, Delashaw was still running with

1400
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 1: the whole snake metaphor from staking the Grass, which Connor

1401
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 1: had called in like he's truly going into the smashing

1402
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 1: Watermelons Gallagher portion of his career. But pc because he

1403
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 1: now has back to back wins over Demetrius Johnson and TJ.

1404
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 2: Delashaw. TJ.

1405
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 1: Dilshaw is super high at that point in his career. Well,

1406
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 1: he's playing with house money at this point. So that

1407
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 1: fight was in January, in February of twenty twenty, just

1408
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 1: the following month. Excuse me, no, what am I saying?

1409
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 1: February of twenty twenty, So about a year later. Basically,

1410
01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 1: Henry Shudo let's go of the flyweight title. He releases it,

1411
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 1: relinquishes it, then decides I'm going to go to bansamweight.

1412
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 1: Why because there is no bantamweight champion. Henry Sahudo is

1413
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 1: going to fight Marlon mo Reisch on June eighth of

1414
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen in Chicago, Illinois, at UFC two thirty eight

1415
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 1: for the title that TJ. Dillashaw was supposed to have

1416
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:20,439
Speaker 1: but had to let go. One of remind folks. After

1417
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 1: the fight is over, Henry Sahudo says to TJ in

1418
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 1: the cage, Hey, we can run this back at one

1419
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 1: thirty five. Almost we see this fight was supposed to

1420
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 1: be that. Instead it was marsh who was the number

1421
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:31,919
Speaker 1: one contender at the time.

1422
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 3: We got robbed that UFC allowed that fight to happen

1423
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 3: at one twenty five. Where I did. I mean, maybe

1424
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 3: that saves it, Maybe that saves the division, and I

1425
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 3: should show up because I do love the post Sahuto

1426
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 3: and dj Era have flyweight. It's been very fun. But

1427
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 3: that's situation. And if you're trying to remember, because you've

1428
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 3: had too many Marlon Moris one sided stoppage defeats in

1429
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:54,920
Speaker 3: your in your screen lately, how good Mariisch was entering

1430
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 3: this vacant title bout. He was a minus one sixty

1431
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 3: betting favorite to the plus one thirty Sahuto, and he

1432
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 3: had riding a four fight win streak in which he

1433
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 3: stopped al Jo, Jimmy Rivera and Hafiela sunsaw A. Sunshaw

1434
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 3: was the only loss and in eighteen fight stretch, and

1435
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 3: by the way, the loss was a controversial split decision

1436
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 3: that was disputed in which Marie was seventeen and one

1437
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 3: over an eighteen fight stretch, winning the World Series of

1438
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 3: Fighting Championship coming to UFC. Although he lost that first fight,

1439
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 3: He's stopping these dudes left and right, and Marl and

1440
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 3: Maris Looke looked like the freaking terminator in round one

1441
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 3: of this fight, like this was. Look, there are moments.

1442
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 3: Randy Coutur beating Tim Sylvia is one of them. I

1443
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 3: think Juliana Pana beating Newness is another one where it's

1444
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 3: like Paul Bunyan Captain America, the Battle of the human Spirit.

1445
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 3: Just this moment happens, Luke, this fight in Henry so

1446
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:55,800
Speaker 3: Hudo's arc is that larger than life moment and how

1447
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 3: he problem solved and how he figured it out. But dude,

1448
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 3: speak to that first round is a tank on wheels.

1449
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 1: Here, I mean, the leg kicks was really the story

1450
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:07,920
Speaker 1: of the first round. I think this fight is on

1451
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 1: YouTube on one of the free fights UFC gives out.

1452
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 1: If not, you can go to fight Pass and obviously

1453
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 1: the fight is there. Maybe you have it through an

1454
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 1: ESPN subscription. Really encourage folks to go back and watch

1455
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 1: that first round. Marlon mo Reish assassinates the legs of

1456
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:23,720
Speaker 1: Henry Sahudo to the point I was like, I don't

1457
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 1: even know how this dude's gonna make it to the

1458
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,640
Speaker 1: third round of it even goes that far. He was

1459
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 1: getting destroyed and not just landing leg kicks, Like what

1460
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 1: ends up happening to you see and tell me if

1461
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 1: I'm exaggerating any way, he got hit with a lot

1462
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 1: of inside leg kicks, right, So what ends up happening

1463
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:39,880
Speaker 1: is Maurish would hit the inside of the leg and

1464
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:42,639
Speaker 1: it hit so hard it would take the lead leg

1465
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 1: of Sahudo and then fling it backwards and he'd almost

1466
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 1: have to like jelly roll it back into place to

1467
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:51,599
Speaker 1: get back to his stance. It was like literally knocking

1468
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 1: him out of his stance in like heavy demonstrative ways.

1469
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:59,160
Speaker 1: He was changing stances to accommodate it. Like, let's be

1470
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:02,640
Speaker 1: very clear about this, Morrelan Marish was in total control

1471
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:03,840
Speaker 1: after a round.

1472
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 3: Yes, in fact, when Sahudo finally hit him with a

1473
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 3: big right hand to open round two, even though a

1474
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 3: lot of people still gave round two to Mariish, and

1475
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:14,640
Speaker 3: we could talk about that in a second, that was

1476
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 3: where Sahudo finally gained like a modicum of respect. That

1477
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 3: was the first time up to that point, what's six

1478
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:23,840
Speaker 3: minutes into the fight where he wasn't getting just you know,

1479
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 3: because the thing is, it wasn't just moriis loading up

1480
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 3: and landing his setup and delivery. I mean, he was

1481
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:31,639
Speaker 3: moving quick. He was just quick trigger response.

1482
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:31,840
Speaker 2: Man.

1483
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 3: It was physical and powerful. But to go back and

1484
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:40,880
Speaker 3: watch how Sahudo the computer you talk about his poise, Luke,

1485
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 3: it has to be talked about as his leading skill,

1486
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 3: even above the wrestling. I mean, he so calmly is

1487
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 3: absorbing these shots and circling away and still just trying

1488
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:54,600
Speaker 3: to figure out the problem of Okay, I'm gonna have

1489
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 3: to walk in downcoming traffic and make this a fight.

1490
01:09:57,320 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 3: He won this fight because he ultimately made this fight

1491
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 3: and wore down and gassed out and out dogged Ma Reich.

1492
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:07,800
Speaker 3: But the setup before that is so intriguing because he's

1493
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 3: still getting lit up to the legs yet the whole time,

1494
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 3: man just that calm okay, let me see this, let

1495
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 3: me try this. Oh not that, I mean just a

1496
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 3: just a like a scientist. And you know in the

1497
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:20,519
Speaker 3: field with the beakers, Luke pouring it back and forth,

1498
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:23,880
Speaker 3: only he's getting his legs turned into hamburger. But how

1499
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 3: he figured that out in round two, and how he

1500
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:29,720
Speaker 3: slowly lured Mariche into an action fight in which the

1501
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:32,599
Speaker 3: who had to one hundred percent show that he has

1502
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 3: a jaw and that he's willing to bring on an

1503
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:38,679
Speaker 3: entertain danger more than the Benavidez a fun action fight.

1504
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:41,720
Speaker 3: He walked into it. Luke took it head on like

1505
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 3: a freaking warrior. Why don't we tell me the answer?

1506
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:47,760
Speaker 3: Why don't we throw a dedector? Do for Henry's to

1507
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:50,680
Speaker 3: hooto more often? The man has balls, dude.

1508
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 2: We did it. After this fight.

1509
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:54,559
Speaker 1: The problem was the wind aged poorly in the sense

1510
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:57,760
Speaker 1: of what you brought up. It was basically heading into

1511
01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 1: this contest and through the first round, Marlin Maurie was

1512
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 1: the bantamweight terminator. Henry Shudo problem solved him, and then

1513
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 1: subsequent to that, everybody else did too. But it was

1514
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:11,639
Speaker 1: Henry who kind of broke the mold. It was Henry

1515
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:14,680
Speaker 1: who Henry did it. Let's be very clear about this.

1516
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 1: Henry didn't just beat Marlon re Reisch. He showed everyone

1517
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 1: else how to do it too, and most of them

1518
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:22,240
Speaker 1: copied his game plan. The one he eventually used to

1519
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 1: win to a tee was boxing, heavy forward pressure, backing

1520
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 1: him up.

1521
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 2: I mean, just listen to these stats. Right.

1522
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 1: So in the first round, despite the ends inside three

1523
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:34,599
Speaker 1: in the first round, Mariich lands nine or fourteen lay kicks.

1524
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 1: I mean he was chewing him up. In round two,

1525
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:39,439
Speaker 1: six of seven, it's still pretty good, but a little

1526
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 1: bit less. In round three, zero of one, he just

1527
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:45,080
Speaker 1: got walked down the entire time in that third round.

1528
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 1: The amount of gusto, the amount of grit you have

1529
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 1: to have to suffer through that punishment still be in

1530
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:55,840
Speaker 1: a space to problem solve. Your ideas actually have to work,

1531
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:58,720
Speaker 1: which they do. Then you tear the guy down off

1532
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:01,040
Speaker 1: of his base. Remember he rolls for an and konda choke,

1533
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 1: you can't finish it. Eventually puts the guy on his

1534
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:08,680
Speaker 1: back and pounds him into oblivion, up aweight class and

1535
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:10,839
Speaker 1: beats this dude to become the bantamweight champion.

1536
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:12,840
Speaker 3: And I want to dial it back one more time

1537
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:14,479
Speaker 3: to that second round because I think there was a

1538
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 3: key change in that he hits Marice with a big

1539
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 3: right hand early in that second round, so that gains

1540
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:21,599
Speaker 3: a little bit of respect. But look again, most judges

1541
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 3: gave Maris that round because there was a big right

1542
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:26,559
Speaker 3: upper cup midway through that opened to cut on Henry's

1543
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 3: eye that was not looking that good. And then dude,

1544
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:31,560
Speaker 3: he rocked Tahudo in the final five seconds with a

1545
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 3: right hand that if that round had continued let's say

1546
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 3: another you know, twenty thirty seconds, I mean, Sohudo could

1547
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 3: have been easily finished. He got rocked hard. But what

1548
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 3: did Suhudo do in round two to set up the

1549
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:45,439
Speaker 3: big round three? He slowed that pace down, dude, landing

1550
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:47,800
Speaker 3: a few big shots here and there on Maris really

1551
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:50,000
Speaker 3: got Maris to take a step back and slow down

1552
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:51,840
Speaker 3: a bit and dig a little bit deeper, and it

1553
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 3: was key body shots disorder. But it was sort of

1554
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 3: like once Suhudo got that chess game down to his terms,

1555
01:12:57,280 --> 01:12:59,720
Speaker 3: then he could start pickuping up the angles, but he

1556
01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:02,240
Speaker 3: didn't do it with chess. He had to walk in

1557
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:05,479
Speaker 3: and absolutely walk through hell. Look to see Sahudo turn

1558
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 3: that around at the start a round three and now

1559
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:11,519
Speaker 3: be leaning and laying all over Maris in the corner.

1560
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 3: He may have like beaten the dog out of him,

1561
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 3: like obviously.

1562
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:19,439
Speaker 1: In my VIEWBC, either through the blueprint or some of

1563
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:22,640
Speaker 1: the things, he changed either Mariis that night or he

1564
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:25,439
Speaker 1: changed his career that night, or maybe even both.

1565
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 3: Because like he was leaning on him just in so

1566
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:31,919
Speaker 3: in a way that was direct part of the strategy.

1567
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:34,599
Speaker 3: Let me gas this guy out. Obviously he to get

1568
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:36,360
Speaker 3: Muric's tired, he had to stand in there and take

1569
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 3: some shit. But dude, the smartness of knowing how to

1570
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:42,920
Speaker 3: do that and those elbows from top position where I

1571
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 3: mean that was almost like Dan Hendo against against uh,

1572
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:48,760
Speaker 3: you know the guy at one ninety nine Luke when

1573
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 3: he got all on yeah Hunky Lombard and you're like, damn,

1574
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 3: that looks like a street fight. Shit, I mean, just

1575
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 3: putting it on him.

1576
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:58,520
Speaker 1: I just want to point out, here's how many significant

1577
01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:03,719
Speaker 1: strikes Henry Sejudo landed in round one ready five, Here's

1578
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 1: how many he landed in round three forty seven. I mean,

1579
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 1: you want to talk about rising.

1580
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:12,840
Speaker 2: To the occasion.

1581
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:14,600
Speaker 1: And in round two he had thirty eight by the

1582
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 1: way Maurish had thirty one, but of course Murish had

1583
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 1: sixteen to his five in round one he had ten

1584
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:24,800
Speaker 1: to Shudos forty seven in round three, absolutely taking the

1585
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 1: fight too, having the fight brought to him, withstanding it,

1586
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:31,080
Speaker 1: and then returning the fight to the opponent and then

1587
01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:33,599
Speaker 1: overwhelming him in the end, breaking him in that moment

1588
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 1: and then changing the trajectory of his career that night

1589
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 1: an all time gutsy performance to claim his second weight

1590
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:42,680
Speaker 1: class title in the UFC, and I was third significant

1591
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:44,120
Speaker 1: combat sports achievement.

1592
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 3: Remarkable that moment hit when they stopped the fight and

1593
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 3: he beats Marais. I mentioned for me it was like

1594
01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:54,840
Speaker 3: Randy katurtim Sylvia feels of like a true American hero

1595
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:57,559
Speaker 3: went in there and just outwielled the guy. But obviously

1596
01:14:57,560 --> 01:14:59,720
Speaker 3: it was the skill to set up the outwill and

1597
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:03,800
Speaker 3: would exclaim that right there might be the greatest combat

1598
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 3: sports athlete in terms of resume of all time. Rogan

1599
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 3: jumps in and says, I don't even know how you

1600
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:13,799
Speaker 3: could debate it. So Hudo puts the titles on his shoulder,

1601
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:15,800
Speaker 3: grabs the mic, and look, whether it's quine or not,

1602
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 3: he always delivers in the moment. My name is Triple

1603
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:20,920
Speaker 3: C and I'm the best pound for pound fighter of

1604
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:24,679
Speaker 3: all time. Luke, that led, of course into mister Dana White,

1605
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:26,600
Speaker 3: wherever you are. I have a hit list, but I

1606
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:29,080
Speaker 3: want to start getting paid. I want that heavyweight money.

1607
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:30,680
Speaker 3: I'm a prize fighter. And he would go on to

1608
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:33,960
Speaker 3: name all the popular name bandam weights like Cruiz Gar

1609
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:37,600
Speaker 3: Brent Faber all that also put the seat out publicly

1610
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 3: that I'd like to fight for a title in a

1611
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:42,720
Speaker 3: third division at one hundred and forty five pounds. But Luke,

1612
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:45,200
Speaker 3: if you were doing what I was doing the whole way,

1613
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 3: which was kind of discounting, so Hudo at each turn

1614
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:51,599
Speaker 3: almost you know, pointing too much at holes in the narrative,

1615
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 3: this kind of was like, okay, you shut me up

1616
01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:58,720
Speaker 3: on him as the real fighter there. But he did

1617
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 3: ride a wave of right circumstance, right situation at right

1618
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:05,840
Speaker 3: time to go from a pretty good fighter to now

1619
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:08,400
Speaker 3: what the hell do we do with him all time?

1620
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:11,960
Speaker 3: Historically because he's a two division champion and he just

1621
01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:14,120
Speaker 3: went through kind of like hell to get there. It wasn't,

1622
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:15,880
Speaker 3: you know, a fluke. It wasn't the dills Shall fight.

1623
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:18,640
Speaker 3: So I can shut up now, right, he's really that

1624
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:23,679
Speaker 3: great now? He reveals also, I had a bad sprain

1625
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 3: the week of the fight, and I probably should have

1626
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:31,720
Speaker 3: pulled out. And I mean, look when Annix says that, Luke,

1627
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 3: what do you say when Anik is saying at this

1628
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 3: point in his career that this might be the greatest

1629
01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:38,200
Speaker 3: combat sports athlete of all time? Dude, that is a

1630
01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 3: McGregor like two year, three year, Like, I know you

1631
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:43,559
Speaker 3: knew who I used to be, but this is who

1632
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:45,720
Speaker 3: I am now and I'll forever be changed. I'm a

1633
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 3: legend in the in real time right now.

1634
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 1: It's a really difficult thing to measure, like who's the

1635
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:53,880
Speaker 1: greatest combat sports athlete because you begin to go like, well,

1636
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:56,559
Speaker 1: what if you have like four Olympic gold medals in wrestling?

1637
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:59,479
Speaker 1: You know, we're winning Olympic gold once every four years

1638
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 1: as one of the difficult things to do and human

1639
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 1: achievement to that point. Henry Suhudo got one and couldn't

1640
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:06,559
Speaker 1: even make the team for the next cycle, right, so

1641
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 1: you know he did it in one sport then did

1642
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 1: it in another. It raises interesting questions about how you

1643
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 1: compare the two. Certainly it puts him in a very

1644
01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:18,720
Speaker 1: rarefied era. One of three ever UFC fighters with a

1645
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:21,679
Speaker 1: gold medal in the Olympics and wrestling, the only one

1646
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:23,599
Speaker 1: to win a weight class title, and the only one

1647
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 1: to win fing two of them. He is obviously a unique,

1648
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:29,599
Speaker 1: unique specimen. And BC, I want to make one more point,

1649
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:32,000
Speaker 1: if I may, about this fight, not just rising to

1650
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 1: the occasion in the way that he did, but he's

1651
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 1: again at this point, he's just flapping the sales of

1652
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:40,760
Speaker 1: the USS cringe right, doing everything he can in this

1653
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:43,599
Speaker 1: point to get all the fights that matter to him.

1654
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 1: And you know, it's really I hate it because I

1655
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 1: find it just deeply unfunny and moronic. And I can't

1656
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 1: believe a thirty year old man plus is engaging in

1657
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:53,320
Speaker 1: this kind of behavior. But the other thing that I

1658
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 1: don't really like about it is it does work for him.

1659
01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:58,280
Speaker 1: I suppose in getting a name it obscures I think

1660
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:00,080
Speaker 1: to your point, like, why don't we give this I

1661
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:02,320
Speaker 1: have more flowers? One I think you retired a little early,

1662
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:05,320
Speaker 1: but two I think it obscures like that part of

1663
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 1: his career coincides with his best actual technical work, and

1664
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:15,000
Speaker 1: the storyline of it kind of overshadows the reality of it,

1665
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:17,200
Speaker 1: and as a consequence, you get what you get here.

1666
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 3: So look, he always wanted to fight the best. This

1667
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:21,920
Speaker 3: should have been Dilla Shaw in this fight, like we mentioned,

1668
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:23,840
Speaker 3: Instead it was Mariis. She had He got the best

1669
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:26,240
Speaker 3: version of Maris and look what he did, and he

1670
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:28,120
Speaker 3: was willing to come back over the last couple of

1671
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:31,759
Speaker 3: years to fight Volkanovski for the featherweight title. So even

1672
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 3: if you are a critic of him or you so

1673
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:36,280
Speaker 3: somehow now, don't think he ever was as great as

1674
01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:38,240
Speaker 3: he says he was, which I get it. The cringe

1675
01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:40,680
Speaker 3: gimmick is all about playing up also that you're the

1676
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:43,120
Speaker 3: greatest of all time, and that can get tiring and old.

1677
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:47,240
Speaker 3: First easily, you can't. You can't not like I mean,

1678
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:49,280
Speaker 3: going back and doing this step by step. Dude, we're

1679
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 3: watching We're watching one of the greatest. I mean, see,

1680
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:53,800
Speaker 3: I don't know where you put that in terms of

1681
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:55,960
Speaker 3: the greatest pump for pund combat sports. That same thing

1682
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:57,720
Speaker 3: when Holly Holm, you know, it's like, I don't know

1683
01:18:57,720 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 3: what to do with those resumes where they can do

1684
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:02,760
Speaker 3: it across multi sports. It's impressive as shit, though, and

1685
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 3: it does make you wish to Hudo had the chance

1686
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:07,040
Speaker 3: to fight more great ones. I kind of wish they

1687
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:09,840
Speaker 3: would have brought him back against Volkanowski. Are Go. I'm

1688
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:11,960
Speaker 3: the one who's saying, let's do some odd catchway bout

1689
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:15,240
Speaker 3: against Conor McGregor, just for fun, for greatness, and everyone's like, stop,

1690
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 3: that's stupid. I'm like, no, Sanatra, Henryson, Huda wants to

1691
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:20,320
Speaker 3: be in these type of fights. I'm looking forward to.

1692
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:22,559
Speaker 3: I mean, so you know he's gonna fight al Jabine Sterling.

1693
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:24,080
Speaker 3: He had one more fight on the journey, of course,

1694
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:26,759
Speaker 3: against Dominic Cruz, which felt in the moment like UFC

1695
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:29,360
Speaker 3: giving him a chance to fight a great name and

1696
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:33,439
Speaker 3: a payday producing opportunity and certainly a very viable name

1697
01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:35,760
Speaker 3: to have on your resume, and that that helps. I

1698
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:38,799
Speaker 3: don't think that hurts. I think that helps his overall resume.

1699
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 3: But Luke, we don't know if he's gonna beat Sterling.

1700
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:43,000
Speaker 3: We don't know how many more fights he's gonna add

1701
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:44,800
Speaker 3: on after that, or how much more chances he's gonna

1702
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 3: take his legacy unfortunately is incomplete, but it is great,

1703
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:55,040
Speaker 3: and he is all time great. I may have to

1704
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:57,479
Speaker 3: start leaving that door open in the upper room because

1705
01:19:57,479 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 3: if he comes back and beats Sterling, we can't keep

1706
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:01,280
Speaker 3: him out. We cannot keep this man out.

1707
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 1: We can't he if he beats Sterling again, remember that

1708
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:06,080
Speaker 1: record of from one twenty five to one seventy, how

1709
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:08,599
Speaker 1: many guys over thirty five have won in UFC title fights.

1710
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:10,519
Speaker 1: The record is two and twenty eight. If he wins it,

1711
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:12,839
Speaker 1: he'd be three. He'd be three and twenty eight. But okay,

1712
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 1: let's put a bow on it. The last of the

1713
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:18,559
Speaker 1: time we've seen him. May ninth, twenty twenty. For folks

1714
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:20,840
Speaker 1: you may I remember this was that Jacksonville card where

1715
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 1: the UFC finally got a state commission to regulate them

1716
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:26,360
Speaker 1: during the COVID shows because at the time Nevatta wasn't

1717
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:29,599
Speaker 1: going to regulate and California wasn't going to regulate. Florida

1718
01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 1: decides to regulate first, they go to Jacksonville. There's no

1719
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:34,320
Speaker 1: one in attendance. But this was the card that was

1720
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 1: headlined by Tony and Justin Gaegee were just In gay

1721
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:40,559
Speaker 1: Chee changed the career of Tony that night. But also

1722
01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:45,240
Speaker 1: that night, Henry Sahudo does yet more amazing shit. He

1723
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:48,759
Speaker 1: defeats Dominic Cruz on May ninth at four point fifty

1724
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:50,920
Speaker 1: eight of round number two. This is his back to

1725
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:54,800
Speaker 1: back to back now TKO's he only had one of

1726
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:56,720
Speaker 1: them in his UFC career. Now he has three in

1727
01:20:56,760 --> 01:21:00,439
Speaker 1: a row as a result of this and BC sorry.

1728
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 1: He had a great game plan from the word go.

1729
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:05,599
Speaker 1: There was a bit of an early rally from Dominic

1730
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:10,040
Speaker 1: Cruz in round two, but a beautifully timed knee followed

1731
01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 1: by a subsequent onslaught. Even if you want to say

1732
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:16,360
Speaker 1: Keith Peterson got in there early, you cannot say anything

1733
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:19,679
Speaker 1: other that Henry Suhuta looked dialed in.

1734
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:23,080
Speaker 3: From the opening bell like no audience too, which has

1735
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:25,559
Speaker 3: to be, you know, taken into account on that Jacksonville show,

1736
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:31,320
Speaker 3: just an empty arena. It's wild because you may not

1737
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 3: love the Sergio Petties fight. It got booed. But what

1738
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:37,439
Speaker 3: did he do? He dominated him with one skill. Probably

1739
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:41,160
Speaker 3: again as a problem solving idea, what's the problem that

1740
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:44,160
Speaker 3: even an aging Dominic Cruz brings in the idea that

1741
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:46,519
Speaker 3: with that footwork game plan, if he gets you into

1742
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 3: a track me and gets you chasing or second guessing.

1743
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:52,560
Speaker 3: That's his chance to expose you. He's not going to

1744
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:55,040
Speaker 3: hurt you right that. In fact, the second fight against

1745
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:57,920
Speaker 3: DJ went Suhuto won. I said it before, but I'll

1746
01:21:57,920 --> 01:21:59,760
Speaker 3: say it again. In the post vanderview he mentioned that

1747
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:02,320
Speaker 3: Jay's power didn't matter to him, didn't touch him, didn't

1748
01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:04,640
Speaker 3: bother him. When he knows he can. Your power is

1749
01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:06,800
Speaker 3: not going to bother you. He could probably chase you

1750
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 3: down and get him get you out of there anyway,

1751
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:11,320
Speaker 3: which he probably could have done against Cruise anyway. But

1752
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:14,559
Speaker 3: the quickest path to just shutting him down is to

1753
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:17,800
Speaker 3: go after the legs, which is exactly what happened to

1754
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:20,680
Speaker 3: him the fight before against marais that they did to

1755
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:23,519
Speaker 3: him just like DJ beat him the first time by

1756
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:26,920
Speaker 3: dominating him in that Muatai clinchon just bullying him, which

1757
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:29,759
Speaker 3: was the exact same thing so Hudo did to Wilson

1758
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:32,120
Speaker 3: Hayes when he turned it around and started the wind

1759
01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 3: streak that got him here. This guy is an in

1760
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:37,639
Speaker 3: the moment student of his craft and of the game.

1761
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 3: It just so happens he has those other intangibles too,

1762
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:44,200
Speaker 3: like poise, like a gas tank, like a fighting spirit

1763
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 3: to find victory no matter what. Yeah, dude was This

1764
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:49,840
Speaker 3: actually is one of the best wins on his resume

1765
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 3: because he was barely touched and he just took the

1766
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:55,479
Speaker 3: wheels right off of a beautiful car and dominant Cruz.

1767
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 3: And look, I hate it that we keep saying it,

1768
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:01,720
Speaker 3: but here's my final time saying it. Let's remove the

1769
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:04,679
Speaker 3: cringe game it completely. Let's never mention it again because

1770
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:06,479
Speaker 3: Henry su Hudo is one of the greatest of all

1771
01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:09,000
Speaker 3: time and it's been a pleasure to go up and

1772
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 3: down to remind myself of that special just a special

1773
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:19,000
Speaker 3: athlete mentally, physically, passionately. I love it, Luke, But man,

1774
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:20,920
Speaker 3: do I hate the cringe? Man doesn't suck.

1775
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:24,479
Speaker 1: It's so shitty. It's so shitty, it's so awful. There's

1776
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:26,439
Speaker 1: nothing good about it. You have to honestly be a

1777
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:29,720
Speaker 1: little bit brain damage to like it. But I'll say this, BC,

1778
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:31,000
Speaker 1: I want to point out a couple of things about

1779
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:32,920
Speaker 1: how awesome this performance was from Henry.

1780
01:23:33,439 --> 01:23:37,120
Speaker 2: You know, obviously there was a question about whether.

1781
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 1: Dominic really deserved it because he had lost to Cody Garber,

1782
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:41,120
Speaker 1: that had all that time off, and then this was

1783
01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:43,240
Speaker 1: his first fight back. But the reason that you have

1784
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:45,479
Speaker 1: seen made it was one he was available, two had

1785
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:48,400
Speaker 1: a big name, and then three it was like best

1786
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:51,240
Speaker 1: bantamweight ever or at least you know in that conversation

1787
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:53,799
Speaker 1: him and it Tim or TJ at this point versus

1788
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 1: this new guy, is there a way to like, you know,

1789
01:23:56,240 --> 01:23:58,080
Speaker 1: can we get a little extra rub for the new

1790
01:23:58,160 --> 01:24:00,439
Speaker 1: champion if he can get a win? And dude, here's

1791
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:02,240
Speaker 1: so that was part of it. But this is the

1792
01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:05,479
Speaker 1: part that I really remember. Remember how this whole conversation started.

1793
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:09,800
Speaker 1: The whole conversation started with Henry in twenty twelve is

1794
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:12,559
Speaker 1: doing weird stuff, leaving the Brands Brothers, not training with

1795
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:14,680
Speaker 1: elite teams, doing his own thing, and it blows up

1796
01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:18,439
Speaker 1: in his face. But here it's the opposite. Here he

1797
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 1: has a good team that he has slowly built himself

1798
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 1: around Eric Albertsin obviously putting at the center of that

1799
01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:27,639
Speaker 1: for many years at that point. But also he brings

1800
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:31,000
Speaker 1: in Eddie Cha, the striking coach, for this event, and

1801
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:34,920
Speaker 1: it gave him everything he needed to put Dominic Cruz

1802
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:37,840
Speaker 1: on his heels with his own chopping leg kicks early

1803
01:24:38,439 --> 01:24:40,040
Speaker 1: and put him in a position to win. So he

1804
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:43,559
Speaker 1: starts off making these weird calls about who he's going

1805
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 1: to be around and where he's going to train, and

1806
01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:47,800
Speaker 1: it blows up in his face. He ends, I mean,

1807
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:49,680
Speaker 1: obviously two eighty eight will be the next stop. But

1808
01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:52,120
Speaker 1: he ends his career up to this point by being

1809
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 1: in the totally opposite position. After having some struggles, mistakes,

1810
01:24:57,200 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 1: ups and downs. You can tell he's ready to win.

1811
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:01,800
Speaker 1: You can tell he's ready to do all these things

1812
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:04,679
Speaker 1: by how different the scenery around him.

1813
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:07,120
Speaker 2: Looks in the right way.

1814
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:09,479
Speaker 3: You know what, That's beautiful and right on, and you

1815
01:25:09,479 --> 01:25:11,320
Speaker 3: know what I want from him, because let's be fair,

1816
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:13,920
Speaker 3: the little flashes of him as a coach, him and

1817
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:16,799
Speaker 3: Eric albar saying teaming up, and remember they joined Wailey

1818
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:19,760
Speaker 3: Jong's camp and they made some big changes. Well, I mean, look,

1819
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:21,720
Speaker 3: I'm trying to forget. They joined like two or three

1820
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:26,200
Speaker 3: big fighters camp sort of John Jones Jones as a consultant,

1821
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:29,360
Speaker 3: and you can see the impact and the change. I

1822
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:32,200
Speaker 3: not only want to see where that lane goes for Suudo,

1823
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 3: I think he could be a great broadcaster if he

1824
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 3: if he got a little bit serious here.

1825
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:40,439
Speaker 1: I think he does some fight breakdowns on his YouTube channel,

1826
01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:41,400
Speaker 1: which people seem to like.

1827
01:25:42,240 --> 01:25:45,000
Speaker 3: So I'm saying, like UFC Live Fight pay per view,

1828
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:48,800
Speaker 3: like like d c Anak and Captain cringe. Like I'm

1829
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:51,320
Speaker 3: telling you, I think he actually could still be that

1830
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:54,800
Speaker 3: crossover star for them now, you know, as he's as

1831
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:57,639
Speaker 3: he's slowly transitioning to post career even though we're doing

1832
01:25:57,640 --> 01:25:59,880
Speaker 3: this exercise, because he's getting back in and fighting again,

1833
01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:04,120
Speaker 3: it all leads to dropping the cringe. But yeah, Luke,

1834
01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:06,679
Speaker 3: he is a smart mind that can help the sport

1835
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:09,519
Speaker 3: in many ways in a certain an asset, and I

1836
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:12,559
Speaker 3: don't know, like we saw the calculated effort by both

1837
01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:15,759
Speaker 3: him and at times the UFC to show the Mexican

1838
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:18,200
Speaker 3: boxing audience that they've been trying for years to cultivate

1839
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:21,040
Speaker 3: and crossover and bring in, and they're making big inroads there.

1840
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:23,960
Speaker 3: Like why didn't that ever work either, Luke? Why didn't

1841
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:28,519
Speaker 3: that ever make Sahudo as marketable and financially strong as

1842
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:30,280
Speaker 3: he always wanted to be as a fighter.

1843
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:31,960
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1844
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:35,360
Speaker 1: I don't know why certain things hit when they hit

1845
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:40,200
Speaker 1: or don't, or I don't have a good explanation for it.

1846
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:42,640
Speaker 1: That part misses me. But here's one thing I do

1847
01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:44,680
Speaker 1: think we should end on and just wrap up a

1848
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:48,879
Speaker 1: little bit BC. The two thousand and eight Men's Freestyle

1849
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:52,760
Speaker 1: Olympic Wrestling team have given so much to MMA, and

1850
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:55,920
Speaker 1: it's not done yet. So remember he Sahudo wrestled at

1851
01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:58,439
Speaker 1: fifty five kilos. There's a dooment of the name of

1852
01:26:58,439 --> 01:27:01,320
Speaker 1: Doug Schwab at sixty six. Ben Askron was the seventy

1853
01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:04,240
Speaker 1: four kilo representative. Any Rovat who I think went on

1854
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:06,400
Speaker 1: to I think he teaches college now or you know,

1855
01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:08,960
Speaker 1: coaches at the collegiate level. Daniel Cormier was your ninety

1856
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:11,680
Speaker 1: six rep. Steve Maco, the att coach, was your one

1857
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:12,719
Speaker 1: twenty kilo rep.

1858
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:13,800
Speaker 2: This is it.

1859
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 1: This is the last of the Mohicans for the Men's

1860
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:21,120
Speaker 1: Freestyle two thousand and eight Olympic Wrestling team. Henry Sahudo

1861
01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:23,360
Speaker 1: is the last one carrying the storch. And I don't

1862
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:25,599
Speaker 1: know what's going to happen at UFC two eighty eight,

1863
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:29,519
Speaker 1: but what a dramatic impact that team has had on

1864
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:32,080
Speaker 1: obviously wrestling because they did really well, and then obviously

1865
01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:33,160
Speaker 1: MMA thereafter.

1866
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:36,920
Speaker 3: That would explain. I took notice of the commentary on

1867
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:39,240
Speaker 3: a lot of these fights and I really liked having

1868
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:42,439
Speaker 3: DC paired with Shudo's last couple of big wins in

1869
01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:45,800
Speaker 3: fights because there does seem to be a connection, there

1870
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:48,240
Speaker 3: a spark, and that explains it. They're with the wrestling

1871
01:27:48,280 --> 01:27:50,599
Speaker 3: team background. And also, Luke, when we had John Anick

1872
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:53,800
Speaker 3: on RSD man, he put over Brian Stan as an analyst,

1873
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:56,439
Speaker 3: probably stronger than any other human could have, and it

1874
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:57,960
Speaker 3: was like I was thinking, in the moment, I'm like, Okay,

1875
01:27:57,960 --> 01:28:01,000
Speaker 3: I remember Brian Stan's NSCA was good. Dude. He was

1876
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:02,519
Speaker 3: on like four or five of these fights that we

1877
01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:05,160
Speaker 3: that we rewatched for this with Annik, and it was

1878
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:07,400
Speaker 3: a younger Annik who was still figuring it out. But

1879
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:10,880
Speaker 3: damn Brian Stan. He reminded me quickly that he was

1880
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:14,920
Speaker 3: like a finished broadcasting product that would be welcome now

1881
01:28:14,920 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 3: on UFC pay per views. I'd have to imagine if

1882
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 3: that was ever something he wanted to do again. Luke,

1883
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:20,320
Speaker 3: I mean, he was great at it.

1884
01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:21,760
Speaker 2: He was fantastic.

1885
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:25,160
Speaker 1: But we have a fantastic main event UFC two eighty eight,

1886
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:30,519
Speaker 1: Henry Sahudo returns from three years away basically to now

1887
01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:32,519
Speaker 1: come back and see if he can still beat a

1888
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:35,639
Speaker 1: new generation of Bantamwitz when he fights al jamn Sterling

1889
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:38,200
Speaker 1: in the main event. Thirty six years of age versus

1890
01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:40,559
Speaker 1: thirty three for al Ja man Sterling. So it is

1891
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:42,719
Speaker 1: an uphill climb. It's the last of the two thousand

1892
01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:45,880
Speaker 1: and eight men's freestyle team. It's so many interesting story

1893
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:48,040
Speaker 1: angles heading into that final fight.

1894
01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:50,960
Speaker 2: That is it. That is the resume of Henry Sahudo.

1895
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:52,439
Speaker 1: We gave you ninety minutes. I don't know who else

1896
01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:55,320
Speaker 1: would do that. That is Brian Campbell. I'm Luke Thomas.

1897
01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:57,439
Speaker 1: We thank you guys so much for watching A four

1898
01:28:57,640 --> 01:28:58,920
Speaker 1: escal go ahead.

1899
01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:01,040
Speaker 3: I had to interrupt it. I had interrupted. I had

1900
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:04,880
Speaker 3: to Was this a real resume review? Or is this

1901
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:08,200
Speaker 3: an intervention that maybe I should drop the cringe bullshit

1902
01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:11,879
Speaker 3: and really go go all in on being an American

1903
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:12,799
Speaker 3: hero and a legend.

1904
01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:16,920
Speaker 2: Well, you saying that is cringe. So I think you're

1905
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:18,479
Speaker 2: off to a very poor start.

1906
01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:20,320
Speaker 3: Right there we go all.

1907
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:22,880
Speaker 1: That is Brian Campbell. I'm Luke Thomas. Thank you guys

1908
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:24,559
Speaker 1: so much for watching. We hope you enjoyed it. What

1909
01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:27,920
Speaker 1: is your favorite memory from Henry Sejudo's career. Leave a

1910
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:30,400
Speaker 1: note in the comments below. We appreciate that We'll see

1911
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:33,519
Speaker 1: you guys next time, and until then, enjoy the fights.