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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna talk how much Taylor and Travis's wedding cost.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about the best city in the US, not

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Speaker 2: just according to us, and probably some of the greatest

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Speaker 2: American unsolved.

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Speaker 1: Mysteries and we're going to solve them today. So Eddie,

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Speaker 1: welcome back. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: When you were watching all the Tailor and Travis stuff, Yeah, did.

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Speaker 1: You have fomo? Did you have go Away? What'd you have? Dude?

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Speaker 1: I've always had a fomo, like I've had phono. Just

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Speaker 1: to be your friend, like to go to that wedding

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Speaker 1: would have been amazing and that what was really cool

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Speaker 1: is the footage of like people walking past security in

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Speaker 1: their suits and their and their dresses like oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: here's my scan, here's my code, and they're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: go ahead, sir. That looked really cool to me.

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Speaker 2: There was a story of one of Taylor Swift's co

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Speaker 2: writers who got the invitation in email and thought it

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Speaker 2: was spam and deleted it.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, yeah, so his wife was mad. That was

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Speaker 1: the story. Were they able to go though they were still?

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Speaker 2: I don't know that I didn't click into it enough.

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Speaker 2: So I have the numbers of how much the wedding cost.

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Speaker 2: Oh gosh, there's a wedding website that claims Taylor Swift

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Speaker 2: and Travis Kelsey's wedding costs between twenty and thirty million dollars.

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Speaker 1: Man, that's a lot. But I guess if you're that rich,

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Speaker 1: what is that? What is that couple hundred bucks?

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Speaker 2: If you have a couple billion, we could do that.

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Speaker 2: See what Taylor's worth and then do the twenty do

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Speaker 2: twenty five million, we'll do that.

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Speaker 1: And that's just Taylor's worth. Are you doing trousers too? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because he's really paid for the wedding. I'm actually Taylor

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Speaker 1: playing for the wedding.

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Speaker 2: But that's unfair of me to think, Like, wouldn't you

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Speaker 2: think Taylor's paying for the wedding?

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Speaker 1: Yes, because I don't think they're going to pay for

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Speaker 1: it halfway.

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Speaker 2: And if Kelsey's worth, they say, what eighty million?

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Speaker 1: Hu, that's a quarter of his networth to be paid

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Speaker 1: for the whole thing. So traditionally, the bride's father pays

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Speaker 1: for the wedding. Traditionally the groom's family pace for the honeymoon.

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Speaker 1: Do you think any of that was done with these families? Like,

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Speaker 1: do you think do you think Travis's family was like,

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Speaker 1: you know what, you guys got the wedding, let's just

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Speaker 1: do it traditionally, we'll get the honeymoon. No, not at all.

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Speaker 1: Why would they. Did they even offer? Probably not.

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Speaker 2: I mean when I married my wife, nobody paid for

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Speaker 2: anything except I. Did anyone offer like, I didn't allow them.

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Speaker 2: It was just set up front. Hey, it wasn't said

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Speaker 2: I should not say that. I did ask him. It

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Speaker 2: was okay, and then it was, Hey, I don't want

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Speaker 2: you to have to worry.

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Speaker 1: About the wedding. Got it all covered, dude? I hope.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I have all boys, so I guess I

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Speaker 1: would just pay for honeymoons. But I would hope like

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Speaker 1: I got that from like the the bride's family. Hey,

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Speaker 1: don't worry, we got all of it the bride's family.

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Speaker 1: What about if the bride, if the bride was super rich,

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Speaker 1: that'd be great too. Yeah, okay, Mike, what do you see?

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Speaker 3: So Taylor Swift is worth two billion dollars, If it

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Speaker 3: costs twenty five million, this would be one point three

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Speaker 3: percent of her total networth.

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Speaker 2: So what would it be to somebody who made eighty

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars?

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Speaker 3: So They say, the average typical American has a seventy

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Speaker 3: three thousand dollars a year. This would be them donating

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Speaker 3: one point nine one dollars a dollar ninety one cents.

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Speaker 1: A dollar and ninety one cents for the wedding. Way

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Speaker 1: a dollar ninety one is the comparison.

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Speaker 3: If they made one hundred thousand dollars, it'd be two

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Speaker 3: dollars and sixty cents.

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Speaker 1: So do they look at this as a like, wow,

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Speaker 1: what a steal? Like we got massive square garden. We're

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Speaker 1: just trying to get my head wrapped around this. You're

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Speaker 1: telling me she's worth two billion.

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Speaker 2: If they spent twenty five million on this wedding, that

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Speaker 2: was just a couple bucks to the average person that

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Speaker 2: it was a not even a Starbucks.

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Speaker 1: Not even a Starbucks. That's what you're telling me.

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Speaker 3: That's what the internet says.

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Speaker 1: Dude, cheaper than a pack of gum.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what gum costs these days. It's not

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Speaker 2: it's more than that a pack. I see the big

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Speaker 2: like canisters. Okay, holy crap. Okay, so here we go

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Speaker 2: the breakdown. It says anywhere from twenty to thirty million.

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Speaker 2: We'll just do twenty five it's from the not five

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Speaker 2: to ten million for renting Madison Square Garden.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would think that's the most expensive.

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Speaker 2: Including in the rental several days of load in and

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Speaker 2: load out because on the days you're loading you have.

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Speaker 1: To have it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And are you using their people plus infrastructure to

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Speaker 2: transform the venue?

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Speaker 1: Probably some their employees.

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Speaker 2: They wouldn't let any of the employees actually work inside

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Speaker 2: during the wedding. I read wow, and some of them

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Speaker 2: that I believe releasing information got fired. So you're using

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Speaker 2: some of the employees, Oh wow, but there were The

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Speaker 2: story that I saw was employees at Madison Square Garden

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Speaker 2: that released some of the information were fired immediately.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you should know that immediately. Like as soon as

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Speaker 1: you get that job, you're like, all right, all this

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Speaker 1: stuf's going to have to be pretty confidential. You have

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Speaker 1: some an NDA. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But then let's say you're making forty bucks an hour,

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Speaker 2: but someone's going to give you twenty grand for that information.

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Speaker 1: You're probably going, hey, did this job anyway? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So that's the venue rental, Yeah, I would, and I

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Speaker 1: would think that's the most expensive.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So let's say seven million dollars for the rental

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Speaker 2: to day gosh, And.

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Speaker 1: It's always hard because.

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Speaker 2: When we got married, we were going to go look

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Speaker 2: around at places.

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Speaker 1: What you look at Titan Stadium. We didn't bridge Stone.

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Speaker 2: We ended up just doing it in our backyard obviously.

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Speaker 1: But we built a venue.

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Speaker 2: I get a tent, Yeah, big tents, which was we

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Speaker 2: thought would be the smarter idea.

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Speaker 1: It ended up costing us more than had we got

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Speaker 1: a cool venue. Was it crazy to look because it

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Speaker 1: was your your tennis court or basketball court? Right? Was

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Speaker 1: it crazy to like think, wow, we're on the basketball

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Speaker 1: court right now. But it's actually it looks like a

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Speaker 1: really nice reception.

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Speaker 2: So I never saw while it was being built. And

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Speaker 2: then obviously the day of the wedding, I didn't go

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Speaker 2: down there. What I really worried about was how were

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Speaker 2: we gonna ge how's we gonna get the court to

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Speaker 2: look normally again? I want to play the ball on

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Speaker 2: we got because we had so many people and they

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Speaker 2: had to take part of the fence down from around

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Speaker 2: the ball court.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, I didn't really some.

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Speaker 2: Stayed up but because you had to like enter, Uh yeah,

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Speaker 2: it was weird, but it ended up costing us more

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Speaker 2: to build it. We thought we'd save money, but we

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Speaker 2: built a venue in the backyard. Five million dollars for

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Speaker 2: flowers that it's a lot of flowers.

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Speaker 1: Golly, that's every flower. That's a lot of flowers.

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Speaker 2: Because think, how do you get that many flowers? You

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Speaker 2: have to bring in flowers from flower shops all over America?

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Speaker 1: Forget that, dude, where are the fields? Like, where are

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Speaker 1: they coming from? Well, that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: It's like everywhere that they have to go and cut

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Speaker 2: flo Yeah, it's you're driving just trucks from Idaho with.

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Speaker 1: Flowers in it. Yeah. I think there were any fake

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Speaker 1: flowers there? No chance, no chance, dude. Can you if

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Speaker 1: they found a fake flower in there? That would just

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Speaker 2: Three million dollars for catering.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Did you see though that people were having to

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Speaker 1: stand up and sometimes the catering took forever. It took

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Speaker 2: I saw the story that people were having to stand

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Speaker 2: up at the buffet. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's and I

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Speaker 2: thought it was weird there was a buffet because that's

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Speaker 2: so normal.

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Speaker 1: Uh huh. Buffet is like what normal people do. I'd

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Speaker 1: love a buffet. I thought it was kind of.

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Speaker 2: Weird for that all you can eat, I would assume

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: But then I saw people were like saying that story

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Speaker 2: wasn't true that were at the wedding.

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Speaker 1: Oh really Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Then Jason Kelsey had over fifteen beers.

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Speaker 1: He said, I believe that. Yeah. I didn't know while

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Speaker 1: watching it if you wished you had been invited? Yes?

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Speaker 1: And then for a minute there I saw Mike was

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Speaker 1: in New York at that same time. I thought he

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Speaker 1: was going. No, I thought, because you know, Mike has

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Speaker 1: weird like connections through like booking the show, and he

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Speaker 1: knows people, And like, did Mike get invited to that

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Speaker 1: freaking wedding? Because I you got.

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Speaker 4: Invited, right, I asked him, and he didn't give me

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Speaker 1: So he hasn't given me a straight answer either, And

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Speaker 1: you won't give me a straight answer now, if you

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Speaker 1: were invited. I have a lot of friends that were

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Speaker 1: invited and it went.

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Speaker 2: Friends that went, which is pretty cool, but only one

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Speaker 2: of them that I'm close to will talk a little

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Speaker 1: Would you talk all about it if you went? No,

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Speaker 1: like to your friends? No, my mom immediately.

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Speaker 2: If I were to have signed something, I definitely wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: Oh you think they signed something too, like everybody did.

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Speaker 2: Of course, they all posted pictures on social media the

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Speaker 2: next day at the same time. It was almost like

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Speaker 2: they all got a text GOO and you're clear to post.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I think it was all pretty strategic. The

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Speaker 2: people that posted the most, I felt like were the

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Speaker 2: people that really didn't know where that well, were just like,

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Speaker 2: look at me, only crap.

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Speaker 1: I got invited?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because people some people kept posting over and over

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Speaker 2: and over again, like magical day in New York.

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Speaker 1: Something just happened in New York. It's a New York

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Speaker 1: kind of day.

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Speaker 2: I was like, we get it, you got invited because

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Speaker 2: you don't need to do seven different posts there.

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Speaker 1: What would you What would you think if I got

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Speaker 1: I invited you to my wedding and I made you

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Speaker 1: sign an NDA? We were going to do something ill legal.

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Speaker 1: That's the Bachelor party dude.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be the only reason that because why

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Speaker 2: would you have me sign an NDA to come to

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Speaker 2: a wedding?

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Speaker 1: Nia. I don't know. It just feels weird, but I

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Speaker 1: get it. Taylor and Travis, it's a different level. I

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Speaker 1: get it. But an NDA to a wedding, just that's

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Speaker 1: got to be so weird. I bet it's very, very

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Speaker 1: very rare.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And probably the NDA to not just go to

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Speaker 2: the wedding was probably not to share anything about it,

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Speaker 2: pre not to post about it. It was probably that

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Speaker 2: what was in it more so than but there was

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you can't talk about the wedding.

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Speaker 1: And there are still no photos from the wedding, like

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Speaker 1: What do you remember about it? Did It was pork belly.

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Speaker 2: Number one reader said, three hundred days of yearly sunshine,

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Speaker 2: I give you number five, it can't be somewhere that

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Speaker 1: I love Chicago. I love Chicago too. However, in the

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Speaker 1: It's different. It's fun.

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Speaker 1: But nice people. Yeah, the music's great. It's too hot.

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Speaker 2: It's muggy, and I don't mind hot, but it's like hot,

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Speaker 1: That's muggy. Number three Savannah, Georgia. Have been there. It's small.

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Speaker 2: I went to Savannah for American Idol. We did when

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Speaker 1: Isn't that where they shot Forrest Gum? It is?

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Speaker 2: And there's a bench. The bench is there and it's

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Speaker 1: We went. It's pretty cool. I've never been to Savannah.

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Speaker 2: It feels clean, everything moves fast.

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Speaker 1: And that's all I saw from TV. You know, it's like, oh, Man,

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Speaker 2: My outlier that no one's ever gonna pick because I

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Speaker 2: You go and it smells like crunch berries? What because

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Speaker 2: I really liked that trip and I liked our time

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Speaker 1: I like San Francisco. They wanted us to see what

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Speaker 2: I would say it was an abnormal day. We also

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Speaker 1: That's all right, that's right. Cool city. Yeah, very expensive city.

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Speaker 1: carry his bags. Oh that's right. And by we, was

442
00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,119
Speaker 1: it you or Red? It was you know? It was

443
00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:08,119
Speaker 1: me you Matt Castle, No, who carried his bags? I

444
00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:09,680
Speaker 1: think we all just because he had two bags. I

445
00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:11,199
Speaker 1: think we were like, all right, I'll carry this one

446
00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,320
Speaker 1: you carry that one? Did you almost die in San Francisco?

447
00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,280
Speaker 4: Well, so the first time I was carrying like a

448
00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:18,720
Speaker 4: bag that was like sixty seventy pounds because I had.

449
00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:20,280
Speaker 1: All my gear, it wasn't okay.

450
00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,159
Speaker 4: And then on the way back it was. It was

451
00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:30,760
Speaker 4: just super hilly, and halfway through, former NFL quarterback Matt

452
00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:35,040
Speaker 4: Castle offered to take my bag and which was super helpful.

453
00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, because by that point it's eighty or ninety pounds.

454
00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,440
Speaker 2: I bet it be your own, right.

455
00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:41,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny too, Like people walking down the hills,

456
00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,000
Speaker 1: you're just like skipping like that. Love this place. Walking

457
00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,119
Speaker 1: up You're like, oh gosh, it's crazy. It is never

458
00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:48,520
Speaker 1: gonna hang tight.

459
00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:53,920
Speaker 5: The Bobby cast will be right back. Wow, And we're

460
00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,800
Speaker 5: back on the Bobby Cast, which leads.

461
00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,320
Speaker 2: Me to the next thing, which is a perfect seguay.

462
00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:02,240
Speaker 2: So I have great American mister, that really haven't been solved.

463
00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:02,840
Speaker 1: Let's go.

464
00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,240
Speaker 2: We don't really know the answers, but we have to

465
00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,680
Speaker 2: give an answer. Okay, Number one speaking to San Francisco,

466
00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,080
Speaker 2: and I'll give you some details. Did the Alcatraz escape

467
00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:14,040
Speaker 2: actually work?

468
00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:15,600
Speaker 1: So it's an.

469
00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:20,199
Speaker 2: Island San Francisco prison, yep, prison on the island for

470
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Speaker 2: almost thirty years. Alcatraz was America's escape proof prison.

471
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

472
00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:27,840
Speaker 2: It's on the island, the middle of the San Francisco Bay,

473
00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:33,200
Speaker 2: freezing water, strong currents, several miles from shore. When they

474
00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,879
Speaker 2: built it, as it was a living prison, the FBI

475
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,680
Speaker 2: believe that nobody could actually make it.

476
00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:39,080
Speaker 1: Out of there.

477
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Speaker 2: June nineteen sixty two, three inmates changed what people thought

478
00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:50,439
Speaker 2: was possible. Frank Morris and the two brothers John and

479
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:54,600
Speaker 2: Clarence England had spent months secretly digging through the walls

480
00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,720
Speaker 2: of their cells using homemade tools made from spoons.

481
00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,560
Speaker 1: And a vacuum cleaner motor. Legit.

482
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,399
Speaker 2: They hid the holes with fake wall panels.

483
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. Have you seen the pictures of those fake wall panels?

484
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,160
Speaker 1: Who fell for that? Forbody?

485
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,000
Speaker 2: There was somebody that wasn't looking, or somebody that knew

486
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,240
Speaker 2: and didn't care, or the mannequins. Have you seen because

487
00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,280
Speaker 2: they put the fake faces that they put while they

488
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:17,719
Speaker 2: were they're supposed to be sleeping.

489
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Speaker 1: It really wasn't them, dude. Those look like terrible cartoons.

490
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,480
Speaker 2: Yes, So it's either people who didn't care or people

491
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,639
Speaker 2: who were like inmates who were paid off. Yeah, yeah,

492
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,480
Speaker 2: so they made the realistic dummy had Those were made

493
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,159
Speaker 2: of a soap, by the way, soap like, that's how

494
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:31,960
Speaker 2: they made those heads.

495
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Speaker 1: They shaved them out of soap.

496
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Speaker 2: You gotta kind of be a good artist to do

497
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 2: that too, even a bad one, a bad fake head.

498
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Speaker 1: It's hard to make out of soap. Yeah, but you

499
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Speaker 1: gotta think they have a lot of time. So like

500
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Speaker 1: if the first draft, if you gave me.

501
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 2: A year and a pencil on a notebook, I ain't

502
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:50,240
Speaker 2: drawn anything better than I would in five minutes. Uh,

503
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 2: they made it was soap. It was toilet paper. They

504
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 2: used real human hair that they had collected from the

505
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 2: prison barber.

506
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Speaker 1: No way, these guys were good and the guards walked

507
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Speaker 1: by thinking they were sleep.

508
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 2: Supposedly, once they escaped their cells, they climbed through maintenance tunnels,

509
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 2: got onto the roof, climbed down the outside of the prison,

510
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,159
Speaker 2: inflated a homemade or aft made from more than fifty

511
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:13,680
Speaker 2: stolen rain coats. Think about the ingenuity of these guys

512
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,360
Speaker 2: to do all of that, Yet they didn't do that

513
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:16,679
Speaker 2: before they got to prison.

514
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.

515
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 2: And they disappeared into the darkness. They were never seen again.

516
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 2: The FBI investigator of seventeen years and concluded they most

517
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 2: likely drowned in the Icy Bay. No bodies were ever recovered,

518
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:32,200
Speaker 2: even stranger family members claimed they received postcards and Christmas

519
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 2: cards from the brothers for years afterwards.

520
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Speaker 1: Let's Go Baby.

521
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,120
Speaker 2: In twenty thirteen, the San Francisco Police received a letter

522
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 2: supposedly written by John Angling, claiming he had survived and

523
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,440
Speaker 2: was living under a different name. The letter has never

524
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 2: been proven authentic.

525
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:49,920
Speaker 1: So that's the story. Yes, you want the three main

526
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 1: theories or do you want to tell me yours? Uh,

527
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 1: you can give me the three main theories. Number one,

528
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,639
Speaker 1: they drowned trying to cross the bay. Easy.

529
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 2: Number two, they successfully escaped and looked quietly under new identities.

530
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,439
Speaker 2: Three they made it to shore but died shortly afterward.

531
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Speaker 1: Oh. Interesting.

532
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 2: So the question is was it the greatest prison escape

533
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 2: in American history? Or do they die trying.

534
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with theory number two. I believe they

535
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:16,360
Speaker 1: made it. I believe they made it. If you look

536
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 1: at like, was it Ted Bundy, you know back then

537
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 1: and this was way before Ted Bundy back then? If like,

538
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 1: who was looking for him? The San Francisco Police Department. Yeah,

539
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 1: unless it was in your local newspaper.

540
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 2: You really didn't know much about it, Yeah, unless you

541
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 2: saw it on the news, and the news four states away.

542
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,679
Speaker 1: Probably wasn't talking about it exactly. Yeah. So if you

543
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 1: made it, which I think they made it, and it's

544
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 1: been proven so many times by like people swim, I

545
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 1: think they have a yearly swim from Alcatraz Island to

546
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 1: San francis another island. Sure, I get it, but I

547
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 1: mean they've proven that it's possible.

548
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,439
Speaker 2: They've proven but it's always been Olympic athletes doing it,

549
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 2: h not just normal people, but that when the normal

550
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 2: people do it, I believe they swim from that island

551
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 2: to a different island. I don't think they go all

552
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,159
Speaker 2: the way to mic on this, but I think the

553
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 2: swim is from Alcatraz Island to a different, smaller island.

554
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: And I mean we're assuming they tried to go to

555
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: San Francisco. Well, like, we don't know where they tried

556
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 1: to go. That's where you'd have to go. Now you

557
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 1: can go to some of the other islands on the

558
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 1: other side, right, Yeah, but eventually you're gonna have to

559
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 1: go to San Francisco. Yeah. Yeah, No, I think they

560
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 1: made it. I think that the whole theory of like,

561
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 1: oh no, that they they couldn't swim that far, or

562
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 1: the raft busted, the sharks got them all that like, No,

563
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: I think they made it, and then I think they

564
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 1: lived under fake identities.

565
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 2: It was a really good on Solid Mysteries back in

566
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 2: the day. Really, they did a really great episode on this,

567
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 2: and I didn't look at this up well, now it

568
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 2: probably doesn't hold up, but back then it was pretty cool.

569
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 1: You know what, we need a new movie because the

570
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: all we have is the Clin Eastwood movie. I've never

571
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: seen that. It's so old. It's I think it's from

572
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 1: the seventies. Maybe pretty good though, it's good, but we

573
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 1: need like an updated one. Mike, what do you see

574
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: about the swim that people do?

575
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, they swim from the Alcatraz Island to San Francisco.

576
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 1: They do. It's not another island. They're going straight. Normal

577
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: people mic or no people. Normal people. Wet suits, though,

578
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: do allow you to float. But these guys had forty ringcoats. No,

579
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: that was for a raft though.

580
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,880
Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm gonna say one or two of them

581
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 2: probably made it alive.

582
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: I think if they're three, they don't all three make it? Wow,

583
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: what are the odds? I'm just doing numbers here. No,

584
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: I think they died. You think they made that. They

585
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 1: died in the bag because.

586
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 2: It was nighttime. Think about a raft of raincoats. I

587
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 2: don't think the raft gets them very far. I think

588
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 2: the raft is kind of okay, let's go, get out,

589
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 2: get out, get out. Well, this sucks is going way

590
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 2: too slow. Who brought a paddle? I did, and I

591
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 2: thought you did? Oh god, there's no paddles.

592
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: I love that scenario. And then the swim.

593
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 2: Maybe one or two make it, but there's no way

594
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 2: all three of them made it.

595
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: Okay, but they committed to the bit I did. I'm

596
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,880
Speaker 1: telling you, through the years, I've changed my mind about it,

597
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 1: because at first, like when I was eleven years old,

598
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: I was like, this, give me a break. They died,

599
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: they didn't make it, they drowned. And then later you

600
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: start hearing just people being able to swim that far.

601
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 1: And I think we found out that there really aren't

602
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: sharks in that bay.

603
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 2: If there were, they wouldn't really allow the people with

604
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 2: the wet suits this one. I mean, if they felt

605
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 2: like and there may be different seasons where there's some

606
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 2: sharks in there. Yeah, okay, so you're gonna go with

607
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 2: they they made it. I'm gonna go with my official statement.

608
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 2: One of them made it.

609
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: I like that, and that one is the one sending postcards.

610
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 1: How ballsy though, to send postcards, that's the thing.

611
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 2: Maybe it was also just somebody that was like hoaxing postcards,

612
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:30,479
Speaker 2: like wanting attention.

613
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: Nancy got three weren't here because.

614
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 3: Missbusters recreated it and they found it was plausible. They

615
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 3: recreated the raft and everything in said it was possible

616
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 3: that they made it.

617
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: They do it at night.

618
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 3: Well I don't know about that, because this.

619
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 1: Was in the middle of the night. It wasn't the night. Yeah, okay.

620
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 2: Next up, did Amelia Earhart crash or survive? In nineteen

621
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 2: thirty seven, Amelia Earhart was attempting something that no woman

622
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 2: had ever done, fly around the world. She and her

623
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 2: navigator were on the final legs of the journey when

624
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 2: they lost radio contact somewhere over the Pacific Ocean near

625
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 2: a tiny island called Howland Island. Then nothing, no distress call,

626
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 2: no confirmed wreckage, no airplane. The US launched the largest

627
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 2: air and sea search in history and found absolutely nothing.

628
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 2: Nearly ninety years later, we still do not.

629
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: Know what happened. Here we go with the theories.

630
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 2: Number one, she simply ran out of fuel and crashed

631
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 2: into the Pacific.

632
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: From everything I've read, this is still most likely the scenario.

633
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 2: Number two, she managed to land on a remote island,

634
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 2: survived for days or weeks, and then died as a castaway.

635
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 2: Number three, she was captured by the Japanese while flying

636
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 2: near islands they controlled.

637
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: Oh wow, And the question is the.

638
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 2: Question is what happened? What do you think happened to

639
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 2: a million areheart? Was a crash, was it an island,

640
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 2: survived for a while, then death, or something else.

641
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the one. I'm going to go

642
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: with the one she ran out of fuel and just

643
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: went nose dive into the Pacific. How do you run

644
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: out of fuel?

645
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 2: Though, if you're flying that long and you have to

646
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 2: watch your fuel unless the tools are the gauge break.

647
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: She was making stops along the way, you know, to

648
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 1: my point, you feel she has makes something.

649
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 2: That's the number one thing to pay attention to if

650
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 2: you're flying all the way around the world.

651
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: But what year was this? Those gauges can't be trustworthy.

652
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 2: Had a Bronco that it didn't even work. Like the seventies,

653
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 2: I had a.

654
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: Car like that too, where like it couldn't go all

655
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 1: the way down because all the way down on the

656
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 1: gas meant like it was very very empty. So like

657
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: once it hit a quarter, you're like, dude, I'm in trouble.

658
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go.

659
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 2: She was captured by the Japanese because there's a blurry

660
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 2: photo that they can't quite make out who it is,

661
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 2: and it looks very similar to her body frame and style,

662
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 2: and it's from that time, and.

663
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: The Japanese have her m because they think she was

664
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: a spy. Oh, but she was just trying to be

665
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: the first woman to fly across.

666
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 2: But every spy is just trying to, you know, be

667
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 2: the soup eating champion, right, They never say working office building.

668
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, they never actually trying to spy. Have you seen

669
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: there's a guy who is like, I mean, he's dedicated

670
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: his whole life to prove that she's in the Philippine

671
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: or that she crashed on that island in the Philippines

672
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: and that just over time, brush soil all that has

673
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: just buried the aircraft. But it's still there somewhere. You

674
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: would think they would have found it. I know, I know,

675
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: but but also that land that where it's at is

676
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: also inhabited by indigenous indigenous people, and so they're kind

677
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: of like they're not welcoming.

678
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 2: The theory that she's a spy stemmed from rumors that

679
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 2: she was captured by the Japanese, which were fueled by

680
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 2: World War two propaganda films.

681
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: Was that around the same time, Yeah, I'm going with

682
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: spy though, okay, and you're going you're going with captured

683
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: by the Japanese.

684
00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 2: Yes, captured by Japanese and was a spy? Yeah, Well

685
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 2: what about aliens not spies? They come in check it

686
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 2: out themselves, and Japanese.

687
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: Never got ahold of them. Could she have been taken

688
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: by aliens?

689
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 2: I mean, on MythBusters it was plausible.

690
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: I'm just surprised that wasn't one of your options.

691
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 2: Next up, who killed John beIN A Ramsey?

692
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: Oh? Man, I you know, I don't know much about

693
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: this one. This is one American mystery I've never really like.

694
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: Dove deep in Well, let me tell you a little

695
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: about it.

696
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 2: On the day after Christmas in nineteen ninety six, six

697
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 2: year old John bin A Ramsey was reported kidnapp from

698
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 2: her family's home in Boulder, Colorado. Her parents found a

699
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 2: handwritten ransom note inside the house demanding one hundred and

700
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 2: eighteen thousand dollars. Hours later, police, before police had fully

701
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 2: searched the home, John Bennet's father, discovered her body in

702
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 2: the basement. That immediately changed a case from a kidnapping

703
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 2: case into a murder investigation. Almost every part of the

704
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 2: crime scene became controversial. The ransom note was unusually long,

705
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 2: there were signs of both head injury and strangulation. DNA

706
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: evidence was collected, but none has ever identified the killer.

707
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 2: Nearly three decades later, no one has been charged.

708
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: Okay, so she was kidnapped, but then they found her body.

709
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 2: Which went from she is not kidnapped, she's been.

710
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: Murdered in the house. Yeah.

711
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the main theories are someone from outside the

712
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 2: family entered the home and committed the crime. Number two,

713
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 2: someone inside the home was responsible, and the scene.

714
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: Was staged afterward. Three The real.

715
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 2: Answer is something that we have no idea about. So

716
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 2: do you believe it was an intruder, someone from inside

717
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 2: the house, or that we'll just never know. Anybody followed

718
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 2: this case or watching the movies or anything. Because Netflix

719
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,239
Speaker 2: has a movie I think they just bought that's going

720
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 2: to come out a boy this Oh that's cool. Just

721
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 2: from what you know limited, I don't know much other

722
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 2: than what you just told me, and that some people

723
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 2: sometimes think, uh, Megan Maroney is Jompany Ramsey Katie Perry.

724
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: For a while, my wife your wife? Yeahh yeah, yeah, yeah.

725
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: I think somebody inside the family or somebody connected with

726
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: the fair, somebody connected with the family. It just seems

727
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: like there's too much hiding stuff and the fact that

728
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: she was never kidnapped kind of weird ransom note who

729
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: would do that?

730
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 2: A really long ransom note? And then she wasn't even kidnapped.

731
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 2: She was dead, so they that was the staging of it,

732
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 2: meaning yeah, what do you think somebody probably well, I

733
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 2: think about the Elizabeth Smart story, I know, and they

734
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 2: thought that they thought it was they thought it was

735
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 2: the uncle, I know, but at first I thought it

736
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 2: was the parents, and they're like, we bet and the

737
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 2: parents like, investigate the crap out of us.

738
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:38,719
Speaker 1: We didn't do it.

739
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,479
Speaker 2: And the whole time, well, the documentary is like that

740
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 2: uncle's kind of weird, and.

741
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: Then they show clips of his interviews, and I'm like, oh,

742
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: he did a weird got his answering stuff for sure,

743
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: that uncle did it. He didn't do it. He didn't

744
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: do it. The documentary made us think dad, and so

745
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: did the news.

746
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: Made everybody think that too, because they were going, he's

747
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: a suspect.

748
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: They would show like clips of here in the background,

749
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: like making weird faces, and who knows, he might have

750
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: had a fly on his nose or something. I guess

751
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: he abducted her. He's crankling his nose at a weird time, right, Yeah,

752
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: So it's tough to blame it on a family member,

753
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: but I mean.

754
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 2: But it ended up being it did end up being

755
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,719
Speaker 2: somebody close to the family. It was somebody hired to

756
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 2: do some work around the house.

757
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: That's crazy.

758
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 2: So that's what I would, with the limited knowledge, assign

759
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 2: it to somebody close to the family.

760
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: Could be a family, but.

761
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 2: Somebody in that orbit that had access to get in

762
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 2: and do that and then probably staged it as well.

763
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 2: The fact there's all that DNA evidence and nothing.

764
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: I know, that's pretty wild. The weird thing about the

765
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: Elizabeth smart one is that how close she was to

766
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: the house for a while.

767
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 2: Oh, as she was abducted as she was abducted in the.

768
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: Woods, not that far away, and to think that there

769
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: were so many search parties that never found her and

770
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: she was really not that far away.

771
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 5: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor.

772
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 5: This is the Bobby cast.

773
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: Next up.

774
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 2: Who is Jack the Ripper? By the way, what do

775
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: you know about Jack the Ripper? Just from me saying

776
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 2: the name?

777
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: I think Jack was in London, that's right, right, and

778
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: rip people's faces off or something. He's a serial killer? Okay,

779
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: all right?

780
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 2: So eighteen eighty eight, ah, those were the years. Over

781
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 2: just a few months, at least five women were brutally

782
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 2: murdered in the Whitechapel district. Whoa the killer taunted police

783
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 2: with letters signed Jack the Ripper.

784
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: Although much like.

785
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 2: We mentioned Nancy Guthrie, we mentioned some of the other

786
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 2: ones here. Historians still debate whether he actually wrote them

787
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 2: or if somebody else wrote them for attention. The murders

788
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 2: terrified England. Newspapers covered it. Police interviewed hundreds of suspects.

789
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 2: It was the largest investigation.

790
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: Of that era.

791
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 2: No one was ever arrested. More than one hundred and

792
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,919
Speaker 2: thirty five years later, people are still trying to identify him. So,

793
00:34:55,200 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 2: but the guy was really good at ripping cutting. Oh okay, really,

794
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: so there are theories that he might have been a doctor,

795
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 2: a surgeon, or a surgeon.

796
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

797
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 2: Number one, he was an ordinary local man who blended

798
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 2: into the neighborhood. Number two, he was a doctor or

799
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,760
Speaker 2: surgeon because of the injuries that were inflicted onto the victims.

800
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 2: Number three he was someone connected to royalty or the

801
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 2: government was protected as then they found out and then

802
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 2: protected them because of who they were.

803
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: I don't think it's that one. I don't think he

804
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: was being protected. I just think back then, like they

805
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: didn't have the tools to catch people like it. It

806
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: was harder to unless you saw it. Yeah, it was

807
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: hard to find people unless you saw it.

808
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 2: You didn't know who did it at all, right, and

809
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 2: then people could just lie.

810
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: Then you just believe them, yes, yes, and people like

811
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 1: to lie.

812
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:45,919
Speaker 2: Or people's memories aren't always real life.

813
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

814
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 2: So I just typed in, like, odds are who was

815
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 2: Jack the Ripper for betting on it?

816
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: Okay, so odds are.

817
00:35:55,600 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 2: Jack the Ripper was Aaron Kozminski, a Polish immigrant and

818
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 2: barber living in the Whitechapel district at the time of

819
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 2: the nineteen eighty eight murders.

820
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: That'd be the worst detective ever. I'd be like, yep,

821
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: that's him. Put him away, barber. He's a ripper. He

822
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: lives in Whitechapel. Take him.

823
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: While a definitive legal conclusion is impossible due to the

824
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 2: age of the cold case, he is a prime suspect,

825
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,919
Speaker 2: but was also It's like, this is eighteen eighty eight.

826
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: I know, so you think like a barber could do

827
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 1: that too well, because I like the surgeons it. Yes,

828
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: I didn't watch the movie, but I've heard of it.

829
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 2: His office episode is really good about twenty todd. He

830
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 2: was the barber.

831
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: That's what he did. Yeah, let's see who the top

832
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:47,919
Speaker 1: three people?

833
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 2: They say, okay, odds are there's Aaron.

834
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: Who are that? I'm gonna ask a different ai.

835
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 2: Who are the top three suspects as Jack the Ripper?

836
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: And why? I think, like.

837
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 2: You, it was probably somebody who did it was pretty

838
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 2: good at hiding and then just got away with it,

839
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 2: because how do you prove Yeah, it's eighteen eighty eight.

840
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 1: But see even then though they would have just like,

841
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 1: I'm surprised they didn't just take.

842
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 2: That guy or just pick somebody and go you the guy,

843
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:15,240
Speaker 2: the guy kill him?

844
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: Okay.

845
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 2: So number one Aaron kauz Minski.

846
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 1: Wow, dude, if it wasn't Aaron, I'd.

847
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 2: Be well all the Kaminsky's gotta be pissed because now their.

848
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: Name's been run to the mud.

849
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 2: Like that's terrible because Minsky's from down on Main Street

850
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 2: are like, what's happening here? Uh?

851
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: Yeah? So again?

852
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 2: A Polish Jewish immigrant worked as a barber. He was

853
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 2: diagnosed with several mental illnesses.

854
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: Of course, he.

855
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 2: Had a documented hatred of women and suffered auditory hallucinations.

856
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: He was committed to an asylum in eighteen ninety one.

857
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: Hey man, it's not looking really good for Aeron, Like

858
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: all that stuff there sounds like it's Aaron.

859
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 2: The weaknesses are there's no physical evidence, Yeah, no confession.

860
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: Modern DNA claims.

861
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 2: That there's a shawl and there it's he's not on it.

862
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: Oh really yeah okay, like from one of the victims.

863
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he still considered the leading suspect.

864
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: Number two. I'm sorry real quick, how do they how

865
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: did they take get DNA from like, okay, I get

866
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,240
Speaker 1: the shawl that's they still have that, but from him family.

867
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 2: Remember, I would assume there was just a crime scene

868
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 2: and they just fingerprinted.

869
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: It wasn't even about taking DNA. They didn't know what

870
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: DNA was, I think, but you said modern day DNA.

871
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,280
Speaker 2: Of all the stuff they saved from the crime, they

872
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 2: would just go back on it and go, Okay, now

873
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 2: that we understand how to take DNA, let's see if

874
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 2: there's any that's still alive on any of this stuff.

875
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: Okay. And they found it, but it didn't match Aaron.

876
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 2: Of the shawl that they had when they found DNA

877
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 2: on it didn't match him. Now, they didn't have a

878
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 2: lot because they weren't saving DNA, but any of the

879
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 2: evidence that they had his evidence.

880
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: Or yeah, yeah, evidence from all the DNA they pulled,

881
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: they didn't have any that matched. Okay, that guy got it.

882
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 2: And it's not even then like you'd wear gloves to

883
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 2: hide your fingerprints, because you know what that crap wasn't

884
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 2: he They also.

885
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 3: Compared it to DNA from his family's living relatives.

886
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: Okay, and they didn't match. Okay, So yeah, I did

887
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: see a documentary about another crime that they they solved

888
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: because they were able to get DNA from a family member,

889
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 1: like two generations and it matched someone from my family

890
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 1: or locked their crap down.

891
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 2: If I'm on the hook for possibly doing it, and

892
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 2: you think there's a five percent chance, do not share

893
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,720
Speaker 2: my DNA. No, not share your DNA. Don't pee in anything,

894
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 2: don't eat anything public, and I'll give you the top

895
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 2: three here. Number two is Montague John Drewett. Okay, he

896
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 2: was an educated.

897
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: Barrister. And I don't know what a barrister was. Do

898
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 1: you make barristers? What's a barrister? Isn't nothing on a stairwell?

899
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: H the real well? I thought it was a barista

900
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: at first. Yeah, what's a barrister?

901
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 2: An educated barrister and school teacher, came from a family

902
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,720
Speaker 2: with mental illness, was dismissed from his teaching job, committed

903
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 2: suicide in the river just weeks after the final murder.

904
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: Did he like women? Well, let's see, Mike, what's a barrister?

905
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 3: What they call a lawyer in the UK?

906
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 1: Okay?

907
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 2: Oh, a lawyer and we're on in the UK on

908
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 2: this show on Netflix.

909
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: Sorry, Okay, I just no rule him out.

910
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 2: The police chief at the time said he was the guy.

911
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: Okay, listed him as either the main or one of

912
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: his prime suspects.

913
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 2: His suicide shortly after the murders made people go interesting.

914
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: But he already had mental health issues. The only I

915
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: did too? Yeah, I know.

916
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 2: Some theorized he had a psychological breakdown. He didn't live

917
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 2: in Whitechapel. There's no evidence putting him really there. In

918
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 2: many details came years after the murder.

919
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, let him go. I don't know, man, did you

920
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: still hold him?

921
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 2: I'm still hold him in the cell right now, I'm

922
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 2: holding Okay, one other one George Chapman Ready, okay, So

923
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 2: so Polish immigrant barber slash surgeon.

924
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: There we go. Now we're getting there. He ain't making

925
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 1: enough money just doing surgery. You had to be a

926
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: barber too. Maybe he was like sometimes I buzz cut

927
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: my kids. Like maybe, like he just does it on

928
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: the side. What if you pay a little extra while

929
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: you're having surgery to get a hurricane buzz them up?

930
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 2: Uh later became a convicted serial killer.

931
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: Okay, was he from Whitechapel.

932
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 2: He poisoned three wives and was executed in nineteen o three.

933
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 2: That sounds they lived in Whitechapel during the murders. He

934
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 2: had medical knowledge. The inspector who investigated the ripper at

935
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 2: the time also believed he definitely could have been the ripper.

936
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: Wow, like in Live Time.

937
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 2: The weaknesses are his known murders were poisonings, not knife attacks.

938
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 2: But you could counter that with he was a surgeon.

939
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 2: Maybe you just didn't know about the murders he did

940
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 2: right with knives and serial killers though normally don't do.

941
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: Multiple methods of killing. That's the generally just from.

942
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 2: The history, they have one way to do it, but

943
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 2: there's no direct evidence. But those are the three that

944
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 2: AI says it probably is. Most people think it's one.

945
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,919
Speaker 2: I've never been someone like in the nineties. I wasn't

946
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 2: a Bulls fan or a Cowboys fan.

947
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: I don't really chase you know. That's not a popular opinion.

948
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I don't want to go for

949
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 2: the winner. So I'm not going with the kaz Minskis.

950
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 2: And if you got the Kamiski's, if you're watching, I

951
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 2: apologize for everything you're going through. It's not fair. Yeah,

952
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 2: it's not fair to you. So I'm going with number three,

953
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 2: George Chapman, the barber surgeon.

954
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: Okay, you know what, I like George Chapman as well,

955
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: because I was all about Aaron put Aaron Away. But

956
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 1: I feel like whenever they throw mental you know, disorder

957
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: or whatever, it's like, hey, guys, we're all a little

958
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: messed up, Like you know, back then, it's just like, oh,

959
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: this guy's got adhd kill him.

960
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Like it's so defferent brained

961
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 2: his ankle, put him down.

962
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: He's worthless to us here on the farm. Yeah, so

963
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go chatman with you.

964
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 2: There was one honorable mention that they put here. And

965
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 2: so this guy, Francis Tumbolty. He was an American doctor.

966
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 2: People thought he was weird.

967
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:14,720
Speaker 1: Hated women.

968
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 2: He collected preserved female organs.

969
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: Okay, that's crazy those two go together. Hated women. I

970
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 1: wonder how people know that collected.

971
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,240
Speaker 2: Preserved female organs, according to reports, and he also fled

972
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 2: England immediately after the murders. That's s us evidence is then,

973
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 2: but evidence is then all of them.

974
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, because no one ever saw him do it, Like,

975
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: can't we just have one person like I saw him

976
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:40,439
Speaker 1: do it? That's him?

977
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, because Minski's I hope it ain't you, guys, I'm

978
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 2: rooting for you.

979
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: So they don't know who Jack the Repper is. But

980
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: that's the story. There you want one more? Yeah, I

981
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 1: love these. I've spent a lot of time reading about

982
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: this one.

983
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 2: Malaysia Airlines flight three seventy oh man, a plane that

984
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 2: just disappeared.

985
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know much about this.

986
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 2: In March of twenty four, Tina Boeing seven seven seven,

987
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 2: carrying two hundred and thirty nine people, took off from

988
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 2: Kuala Lumpur bound for Beijing. Less than an hour into

989
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 2: the flight, the pilots said goodnight. Those were the last

990
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 2: known words from the cockpit white box.

991
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, or you can hear you know. The recordings.

992
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 2: Shortly after, the plane's transponder stopped responding or transmitting.

993
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: So it was shut off.

994
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 2: Military radar show the aircraft turning around and flying back

995
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 2: across Malaysia before disappearing all together like an unscheduled turn.

996
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 2: For years, satellites helped the investigators guess.

997
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: So they would go.

998
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 2: And look in the about the ocean super deep and

999
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 2: just vast wide.

1000
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1001
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 2: So they searched forever and the plane just ran out

1002
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 2: of fuel, goes down. They searched tens of thousand of miles.

1003
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 2: It's been the most expensive search ever. Only a few

1004
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 2: confirmed pieces of debris have ever washed ashore, but some have.

1005
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 2: The main wreckage has still never been found. But someone

1006
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 2: in there shut it off the plane, the or the

1007
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 2: communication equipment, and then the plane ran out of gas.

1008
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: So when he said good night, who do you say

1009
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: good night to the people on the plane or the

1010
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: air traffic controller. I don't know the last thing that

1011
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: was that was heard, because that's creepy. Was it good

1012
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: night as in like all right, we're I haven't going

1013
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: to bed? Or is it good night as in like

1014
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: you're never gonna see us again? I haven't heard it.

1015
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 2: So they did, and Mike, I feel in fact check

1016
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 2: me on this, one of the pilots. They went and

1017
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 2: they were invest investigating him, and because they investigated everybody,

1018
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 2: obviously they went and he had a flight simulator that

1019
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 2: he was using and had practiced the exact thing that

1020
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 2: happened here.

1021
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: Oh really, well, I didn't know that. That's crazy. Also

1022
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: might have made it up. I'm being honest. I'm having

1023
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: a mic, but I hope not. I believe, but that's true.

1024
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: I don't think I didn't make it up for like,

1025
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: just for giggles.

1026
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 2: But the main theories are that someone in the cockpit

1027
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 2: intentionally diverted the plane before it eventually crashed into the ocean.

1028
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 2: A catastrophic mechanical or electrical failure left the plane flying

1029
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 2: on autopilot intil a Rando fuel. Wow, there's some other

1030
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 2: explanations that they haven't shared because it's in the middle

1031
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 2: of an investigation.

1032
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: But the wreckage has never been located. Why would they

1033
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: turn around?

1034
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,399
Speaker 2: No, it just so you wouldn't go to the land,

1035
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 2: so you just go out more over water.

1036
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 1: Mike thoughts.

1037
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, they collected and seized a flight simulator from somebody's

1038
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 3: home who was a pilot, and they recovered deleted log

1039
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 3: files on it that had the exact same route that

1040
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 3: ended up happening. That shows him going into a remote

1041
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 3: part in the Southern Indian Ocean.

1042
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 1: I mean that right there to me is like this

1043
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: was planned.

1044
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 2: Also, I'm glad I didn't make that up because that

1045
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 2: had been Ye.

1046
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you look smart. So that that's probably what happened.

1047
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: That's probably I'm going to go with, that's happen.

1048
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 2: And the only other thing that I would think, because

1049
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 2: I think there stuff gets planted all the time and

1050
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 2: it ain't our government, and our government.

1051
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 1: Plants crap all the time.

1052
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 2: That'd be an easy thing to go, oh, look, here's

1053
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,479
Speaker 2: this data of this guy doing this when he really didn't.

1054
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 2: If it was shot down, there is another theory of

1055
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 2: it landing on another island, like a military island that

1056
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 2: was somewhat nearby and people.

1057
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 1: Were taking hostage that type.

1058
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 2: There's there's a lot of theories and ideas about this,

1059
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 2: but it would just be so easy to plant that

1060
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 2: evidence and make it seem like, well, that's so easy

1061
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 2: if the guy was flying on a flight simulator and

1062
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 2: had the same path, right.

1063
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you said that, and it sounds very easy,

1064
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: like what are we questioning? Right?

1065
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 2: Like, it's open and shut if that's the case.

1066
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 3: My thoughts, Yeah, because if it was shot down, couldn't

1067
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 3: it like sparked a war? If like somebody for sure,

1068
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 3: and they're like, we don't.

1069
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: Want to start a war.

1070
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 3: Let's just say this guy crashed it in to the

1071
00:47:58,880 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 3: ocean yep.

1072
00:47:59,719 --> 00:47:59,919
Speaker 1: First.

1073
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 2: Sure, And that's why I think, because that's so on

1074
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 2: the nose and you go, yeah, that's it. But it's

1075
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 2: so on the nose that it makes you go, is.

1076
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: That, yeah, it's that simple? How long ago is this fourteen?

1077
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: I said, not long ago? You don't remember it. I

1078
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 1: do remember it, I just didn't remember if it was

1079
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: like super super long ago. What about what about like

1080
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: the scenario of the TV show Lost, that they're on.

1081
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 2: An island somewhere, Well, that was one of the theories

1082
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 2: was that they flew to this island add a massive

1083
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 2: like a military base, but Lost, they're like in purgatory

1084
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 2: or something.

1085
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: Whoa dude, spoiler. I never watched Loss, but I but

1086
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 1: that's it. Spoiler.

1087
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 2: There was that one documentary though about the people that

1088
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 2: flew over the ocean that went back in time.

1089
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 1: Oh, Manifest a documentary Legit. Yeah, yeah, that was really good.

1090
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: But then like season two got weird. But yeah, season

1091
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: one was really good at Manifest.

1092
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 2: The number one theory, according to check GPT the pilot

1093
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 2: deliberately through the planet of the ocean. He was disabling communications.

1094
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,280
Speaker 2: The aircraft made a deliberate turn back six more hours

1095
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 2: just down, no fuel boom. It's just so on the

1096
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 2: nose about that flight simulator that it makes me question

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Speaker 2: if that's true. I know, I'm just gonna go with

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Speaker 2: that's what happened. There are some people think it was

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Speaker 2: a hijacking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I then you would get on the radio

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00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: and be like we're being hijacked, and maybe they did. Again.

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Speaker 2: I also think people hide stuff for, like Mike said,

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00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 2: political reasons too, like you don't want to start a war.

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Speaker 1: If you can hide certain things, you do. Sure, but

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00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 1: probably it was someone who was sad he decided to

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00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: take everyone down without a way to do it. Yeah, Mike,

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Speaker 1: is there a good documentary or a movie on this,

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00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,720
Speaker 1: not that I've seen. Okay, they're crazy.

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Speaker 2: Theories are One, it landed at a secret military base.

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00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. Two North Korea captured it. Somebody always

1111
00:49:58,280 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 1: captures it.

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00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 2: Three the US military I shot it down, and we

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00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 2: created this story I hope not, and we would have

1114
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 2: shot it down based on who was on it. For Russia,

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00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 2: Russia hijacked it. Number five, which I don't think is

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Speaker 2: that crazy. Aliens or UFO has made it disappear.

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00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: No, I mean, let's definitely consider that. The crazy thing

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Speaker 1: is we still have found the plane. Yeah, but the

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00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 1: ocean is very, very deep. The fact that they've they've

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Speaker 1: found a couple pieces means that it's in many pieces.

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00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: It's probably not. There are probably a lot of tiny

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00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 1: pieces left of that plane. And dude, the ocean. They're

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Speaker 1: probably probably gone.

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Speaker 3: But if it was shot down, they wouldn't want to

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Speaker 3: recover all the evidence of it being shot down because

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Speaker 3: would be.

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Speaker 1: Able to tell if it was shot down. So you

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Speaker 1: think they picked up all the stuff. I would think

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Speaker 1: if they were trying to hide it, they would get

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Speaker 1: rid of it. Oh my gosh, now I'm back to

1131
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: their hiding it. That's why they found some pieces of it.

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Speaker 1: This is crazy.

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Speaker 2: If I had a thousand dollars to bet on it,

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Speaker 2: and I'd get pretty good odds.

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Speaker 1: Because this is not the most popular aliens. We shot

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Speaker 1: it down.

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00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 2: Somebody shot it down and then created the story because

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00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 2: that's so on the nose about the pilot in the

1139
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,240
Speaker 2: flight simulator practicing that flight.

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Speaker 1: That's such a lay up.

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00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 2: So i'd make good money because I don't think that's

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00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 2: the favorite theory, but I think that's what I would pick.

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00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 3: Could just imagine how scared people would be to fly

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00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 3: anywhere if that's what happened.

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00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: If what happened, if a shot he got shot down

1146
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: and that was the news, like, yeah, this is what happened,

1147
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: he got shot down, I'd never want to get on

1148
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: a plane again. Well, i'd also be scared if one

1149
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 1: pilot had all the power to take a whole plane

1150
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 1: down too. But that's but that can easily happen. That's

1151
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: why you put two up there. Yeah, but can't they

1152
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: be friends and be like, let's do it together. You know?

1153
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: Odds of that I don't know, like a pack, I

1154
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: don't know.

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00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 2: I don't I would think of the odds be even less.

1156
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 1: Yea thousand bucks. I'm just gonna take it for what

1157
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:00,439
Speaker 1: it is. Simulator pilot just wanted to end it. Yeah,

1158
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: I'm going I'm going with a favorite Alcomes Razor. What's

1159
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 1: probably assumed probably is most most plausible. So yeah, when

1160
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,439
Speaker 1: they did this, it was unplausible. On MythBusters, they tried

1161
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 1: the same thing and as possible. Okay, and that we're

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00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: not doing JEFFK. So we don't have time to do

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00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 1: a dude for sure. So we did Taylor Swift. Yeah,

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00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 1: we did Best Cities.

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00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, we did great American mysteries that haven't been solved

1166
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 2: that we just went ahead and solved them for everybody.

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00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 2: Put this tape in the Smithsonian. Thank you to everybody

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00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 2: for watching Mike. Anything I said wrong that we want

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00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 2: to correct before I get a.

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Speaker 1: Bunch of DMS NO, that was all right. That's it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you guys for watching. For watching on Netflix, we

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Speaker 2: really appreciate it. And if you're listening on podcast, equally

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Speaker 2: appreciated and we will see you guys next week.

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Speaker 5: Byeyboddy, Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast auction