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Speaker 1: Let's address the elephant in the room. I was so

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Speaker 1: called b beef. Yeah, let me ask you a question

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Speaker 1: that I didn't asked you the other day. What was

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Speaker 1: it that I said that made you think I.

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Speaker 2: Didn't like you?

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Speaker 3: The part with the direct messages that we had, you

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Speaker 3: to hate and stuff like that. So I just took

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Speaker 3: that as dame, you don't like me. Then I was

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Speaker 3: later on in my career, But during my career, I

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Speaker 3: just felt like just watching like T and T. It

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Speaker 2: I was like, Hey, is he really pissed off at me?

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Speaker 3: So you know what I'm saying, it's just little things.

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Speaker 3: I was like, it's big bro. But you know what

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Speaker 3: I'm saying. It wasn't like for me, it's like, man,

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Speaker 3: I want to go at him and do this. That

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Speaker 3: and the third it's just like I didn't have understanding.

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Speaker 3: Did you get mad? Did I get mad?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 3: Really like not, I'm not that that didn't really make

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Speaker 2: You know, it's just like what is he own? Like

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Speaker 2: why is he doing this?

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Speaker 3: But then uh, after I played in Taiwan and stuff

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Speaker 2: The last time I talked that was I started.

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Speaker 3: I saw myself getting a little bit angry about nothing

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Speaker 3: that it wasn't even no reason for me to get

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Speaker 1: So do you think you should have got angry when

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Speaker 1: people talk about you?

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Speaker 2: Nah, that's where you're wrong. Okay, Well why why would

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Speaker 2: you think I should get angry at people talking about me?

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Speaker 1: Because I know when you get mad, you dominate. Stan

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Speaker 1: Van Gundy made you mad all the time. And what'd

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Speaker 1: you another question. I'm gonna let you talk. I don't

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Speaker 1: want you think I'm doing the man.

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Speaker 3: Well, stan Stan did get at me, but he allowed

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Speaker 2: He didn't. He didn't go off on me and make

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Speaker 3: I was already upset to play, but I just showed

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Speaker 3: it with a smile on my face. So me having

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Speaker 3: I didn't want people to see me, you know, upset,

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Speaker 3: because when I really was too upset, I was getting

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Speaker 2: I was getting technical foules. I was not playing the

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Speaker 3: So I think the way that I showed my demeter

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Speaker 2: And was Kobe Brandt hard on you? And I don't

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Speaker 2: think it was hard on me? Did you? Alwayused to

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Speaker 3: We got into one scuffle during the game, and after

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Speaker 3: Me being a younger player, my expectation was, I'm thinking

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Speaker 3: So I just think he had checked out with me

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Speaker 1: And who do you think he got that from? He

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Speaker 1: probably got it from you exactly. So what is it?

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Speaker 1: As I told you at the bar, I was playing

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Speaker 1: Like I told you before, if I said anything that

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Speaker 2: I can understand that when.

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Speaker 1: I tell you to drive Kobe crazy, people thought we

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get my twenty eight fifteen, Like I told

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Speaker 1: triple team. I need another guy. I used to drive

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Speaker 1: and you as big guys. Whose fault is it.

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Speaker 2: It's our fault exactly.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna push every but whether they like it

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Speaker 3: To the Understan saying that, But you were teammates with

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Speaker 2: Because you were there with them all the time.

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Speaker 3: I'm watching you from Afar and playing against you, you know,

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Speaker 3: I need twenty eight to fifteen from you. You got

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Speaker 3: You can do better than this. As your big brother,

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Speaker 3: I didn't have. There wasn't a lot of people you know,

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Speaker 2: You got to keep him in a good boat. No,

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Speaker 2: I wanted you mad. You needed to be mad.

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Speaker 3: I understand it, But I'm saying that like how we're

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Speaker 2: Hey, big bro, hey little bro, I need you to

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Speaker 1: I understand that, But from where the place where I

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Speaker 1: But when I saw you at the dunk contest do that.

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Speaker 1: And once I got to work, I said, you know

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Speaker 2: He is Will.

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Speaker 1: Average like he is? It is it something like I

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Speaker 1: I'm averaging thirty your boy doing all that otherwhile we losing.

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Speaker 1: He said, Shaq, Kareem's coming close to your records. He's

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Speaker 1: But I always said to myself, is there is the

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Speaker 2: Ma'am. I'm fifty. I ain't doing all that.

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Speaker 1: And we both have the same week spot your mama

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Speaker 1: never gonna happen. I am the big brother, and it

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Speaker 1: You see, I don't come in everybody only only that

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Speaker 1: Javel I pissed him off some much that he he

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Speaker 1: we need Javel McGee shaking fools no, because I couldn't.

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Speaker 1: Was focused was dominating? He was playing well, all right?

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Speaker 1: So when was I never? When was I never focused

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Speaker 1: averaging twenty six and you should be averaging forty for us,

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Speaker 1: they saying we're not focused. See what I'm saying, of

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Speaker 2: I had to average.

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Speaker 2: You know what that was like.

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Speaker 1: So when I say you're not focused, I want you

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Speaker 1: It's all a play on words. But I think you're right.

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Speaker 1: I probably should have came at you, but that's not

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Speaker 1: I just but I wanted you to play at that.

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Speaker 2: I understand that.

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Speaker 3: I just I'm not a I'm not angry mad person

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Speaker 2: You are.

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Speaker 1: I've seen you when you get mad. Don't tell me.

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Speaker 1: You know when you get mad, you talk and you

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Speaker 3: And Okay, me being that person, I feel like it

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Speaker 3: When I done played on some teams and being mad

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Speaker 3: I couldn't be as physical, I couldn't do those the

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Speaker 2: What is it? So I just was kind of confused.

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Speaker 1: That's true, and I agree that, like when you got

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Speaker 3: Getting penalized for it though, even even even what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: I saw it. I saw it. Yeah, I saw.

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Speaker 3: Then they say, well, y'all didn't win, so it wasn't right.

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Speaker 3: I'm damn if I do Damn if I don't. So

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Speaker 3: I get I get everything that you're saying.

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Speaker 2: And that's the life that we live. Damn if you

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Speaker 1: Guess what it ain't And it ain't nothing we can

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Speaker 1: Certain people get one ring and oh my god, he's

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