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Speaker 1: So I want to go ahead and get started with
Speaker 1: Legally hype A B.
Speaker 2: Tucker, who is.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite attorneys and someone who is absolutely
Speaker 1: skilled and brilliant on the issues we're going to discuss today.
Speaker 1: I stepped into it yesterday with some of y'all and
Speaker 1: it's fine. We're gonna talk about where I'm wrong, where
Speaker 1: I know I'm right, and I'm sure that Legally Hypo
Speaker 1: have some things to add them, maybe a little different,
Speaker 1: So we can go ahead and get started. Now. We
Speaker 1: are talking Prop fifty, which is on the ballot in
Speaker 1: California in this upcoming election on November fourth, and we're
Speaker 1: also talking about you have a new sum So let's
Speaker 1: get started. Hey, hey girl, Hey, how are you. I'm
Speaker 1: excited about this so y'a frames your glasses are so cute.
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you that in one of the
Speaker 1: posts you put up the other day with a little
Speaker 1: will go to yeah, you should have rocked it today.
Speaker 1: Since everybody want to be a thug in.
Speaker 3: My comments, I know, and I normally do when I
Speaker 3: do my Prop fifty stuff.
Speaker 2: You called me slipping a little bit.
Speaker 1: Hank go hug you. Okay, Well, I want to do
Speaker 1: this first because I think this is the most important thing.
Speaker 1: Hearing the objections around timing, I want to start with
Speaker 1: what's most important. The main thing right now is the
Speaker 1: election that's coming up on November fourth. So I would
Speaker 1: love for you to tell people in your labman's terms
Speaker 1: and you gonna lay women's terms, what is Prop fifty and
Speaker 1: why should California voters care and why should the rest
Speaker 1: of the country be good allies?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean so, the way I've been framing it for
Speaker 3: my audience is Prop fifty is basically our way to
Speaker 3: buck up against racism in this country. Right, So you
Speaker 3: have Republican led states, right, you got red states.
Speaker 2: This what we're doing in California.
Speaker 3: Is pretty much on the back of where Texas had
Speaker 3: us messed up. They started redrawing their districts so that
Speaker 3: they had the Republicans would have more political power in Congress,
Speaker 3: right to a point where people didn't even know that
Speaker 3: that's how representatives were chosen, like, oh, you could read
Speaker 3: all the lines, yes, right, so they read draw them
Speaker 3: so that black people and brown people would basically have
Speaker 3: less of a stay in their boat, right, and so
Speaker 3: we wouldn't have the same type of representation when we
Speaker 3: got to Congress. So what California said where Prop fifty
Speaker 3: was like, okay, bet Texas, we got some for you.
Speaker 2: You want to read.
Speaker 3: All your lines, we can get our pencils and we
Speaker 3: can redraw them too, but we're gonna one up you
Speaker 3: with that one, as opposed to just slick slick this
Speaker 3: in our constituents, right, slick dis in Californias and being like,
Speaker 3: we just gonna do what we want to do. We're
Speaker 3: gonna let California choose. Is this what you want to
Speaker 3: do do?
Speaker 2: They went low, do you want to squabble up?
Speaker 3: So went Prop fifty is basically California's way to squabble
Speaker 3: up against Texas and say no, we're not gonna play
Speaker 3: with you like that. We're gonna we're gonna balance out
Speaker 3: the score, right, And what we're gonna do is, if
Speaker 3: y'all still some Republican seats, we're gonna make them seats
Speaker 3: Democrat in California, and it's gonna be even, it's gonna
Speaker 3: be balanced. So it's basically like a head head up
Speaker 3: fade against Texas.
Speaker 1: Right now, did that make sense? That makes service sense
Speaker 1: to me. It makes perfect sense to me. Now for
Speaker 1: those of you who are like I want to know
Speaker 1: what the Secretary of State's official voter guide says or
Speaker 1: read that to you. Prop fifty authorizes temporary changes to
Speaker 1: congressional district maps in response to Texas partisan redistricting legislative
Speaker 1: constitutional Amendment. I want to take this moment to shout
Speaker 1: out Jelanda Jones, who many of us got to know
Speaker 1: from her very fierce advocacy around what was happening in
Speaker 1: Texas and the co coliar I did her first interview
Speaker 1: when she decided to say, okay, well, since y'all don't
Speaker 1: want to do nothing, I'm gonna be right here and
Speaker 1: they so we're gonna lock you on the House Shabor floor.
Speaker 1: And she was like, mine, somebody bring me some snacks.
Speaker 1: So we're very clear that this is not just something
Speaker 1: that's impacting California as California voters. It is across the country.
Speaker 1: The math does not really math for us. I think
Speaker 1: we should be honest about that. Yeah, in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways, this is going to be an uphill battle.
Speaker 1: But yes, unquestionably vote yes on Prop fifty. For additional
Speaker 1: information on Prop fifty, the guest voters, that's the only
Speaker 1: information I'm willing to give you right now is at
Speaker 1: Stop Election Rigging dot com. This is a ballot measure
Speaker 1: that is being championed by Governor Gavin Newsom. It is
Speaker 1: also a ballot measure that was passed and that's how
Speaker 1: it got on the ballot to begin with, by the
Speaker 1: California State Legislature. So let's be very clear about that now.
Speaker 1: This is where the trouble began, your friend. So yesterday,
Speaker 1: first of all, I want to shout out our new
Speaker 1: social team.
Speaker 2: But our new social team is with all the smoke.
Speaker 1: Okay, so they are captioning things in ways then you know,
Speaker 1: maybe I wouldn't capturing it that way, but it's fine.
Speaker 1: It's a learning lesson. We're learning a pattern. And there
Speaker 1: was a lot of engagement on the posts, and I
Speaker 1: thought it was actually healthy because there are folks who
Speaker 1: do have misinformation on what's going on in California, not
Speaker 1: really clear about what happened with Gavin Newsom last week.
Speaker 1: And the reparations measures that we're calling reparations measures that
Speaker 1: I actually have an argument for, they're not necessarily reparations
Speaker 1: as we would normally see them. And then the timing,
Speaker 1: So some of the things that came up sis is
Speaker 1: folks felt like I shouldn't have posted that video because
Speaker 1: the timing is bad given the Prop fifty vote, which
Speaker 1: is in two weeks now, it's roughly two weeks. And
Speaker 1: then of course early voting has already began here, folks
Speaker 1: who are mailing in ballots are already mailing in ballots,
Speaker 1: so they're like, why you got to do this right now?
Speaker 1: Why you messing with Gavin right And then the other
Speaker 1: thing that came up is somebody said, well, I don't
Speaker 1: know why you're doing this. We're never getting reparations. Not
Speaker 1: willing to see that point. And then the other thing
Speaker 1: that has come up quite a bit is why would
Speaker 1: you attack Gavin Newsom when he's the only fighter we
Speaker 1: have against Donald Trump, and I think that some of
Speaker 1: my issue with that is I think that people have.
Speaker 2: To walk into gum at the same time.
Speaker 1: And when I say that, people are like, all right,
Speaker 1: well you you are saying that we can walk at
Speaker 1: your gum, but people can't ever really discern or decipher
Speaker 1: what's on a ballot what's not.
Speaker 2: And I would just say to that, I resent that.
Speaker 1: Because, like, first of all, if you a black girl
Speaker 1: in America, we learned how to double dutch, that is
Speaker 1: better than walking into and at the same time. Okay,
Speaker 1: they might not know about double dutch, but I know
Speaker 1: about double dutch. And I think like, if we can walk,
Speaker 1: we can drive, we can wrap while we drive it,
Speaker 1: we can stop at the light, we can signal, we
Speaker 1: can do multiple things at once. And right now we're
Speaker 1: in an environment where we got to walk into gum
Speaker 1: because of the shut Now we got to walk into
Speaker 1: gun because of the attacks on the Monica MacIver and
Speaker 1: Tis James and Fannie Willis who they're now going after.
Speaker 1: We have to walk into gum because we are seeing
Speaker 1: trouble on every side. Not to mention this man has
Speaker 1: decided to tear a hole in the in the east
Speaker 1: wing of the White House and is seeking his own
Speaker 1: reparations restitution from the Department of Justice to the tune
Speaker 1: of two hundred and thirty million dollars. That would be
Speaker 1: our taxpayer dollars. But every time black folks need something,
Speaker 1: my good sister, we have to wait our turn, wait
Speaker 1: in line.
Speaker 2: It's not time.
Speaker 1: And I think that that is actually a great disservice
Speaker 1: to our folks.
Speaker 2: So here's my issue. I want to know why.
Speaker 1: We cannot say we should vote yes on Prompt fifty
Speaker 1: because that is in our strategic best interest, that is
Speaker 1: in a line with our political power, that ensures that
Speaker 1: we have access to the ballot box. And then when
Speaker 1: we go, there are people who think and hopefully also
Speaker 1: look like us when we go, because what they've done
Speaker 1: in Texas and what they're doing in North Carolina, what
Speaker 1: they're doing in Missouri, and what they're doing in Indiana
Speaker 1: and Texas absolutely is racist. Yeah. So if that's the case,
Speaker 1: we have to have people who will be filters in
Speaker 1: combat that. But I want them to keep that same
Speaker 1: energy when black people need to be made whole. So
Speaker 1: now that's what I wanted to say about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I agree, So I don't think that we're
Speaker 3: incapable of walking and chewing gum, right, But going back
Speaker 3: to the driving analogy, like you still have to learn
Speaker 3: how to drive, and everybody hasn't got their lesson, I
Speaker 3: think is what the argument is in the comment section, right.
Speaker 2: So I don't think.
Speaker 3: That you're wrong in addressing it, right, putting it out
Speaker 3: there and being like we need to look at both
Speaker 3: sides of this. But I think what people are concerned about.
Speaker 3: But it seemed like what I read comments people are
Speaker 3: concerned about is what we're learning is a lot of people.
Speaker 2: Just can't walk and choose them right.
Speaker 3: They either learn how to walk and then learn how
Speaker 3: to chew, right, or didn't learn how to walk and
Speaker 3: learn how to chew and now we're having to teach
Speaker 3: them simultaneously.
Speaker 2: Majority, I don't want to say majority.
Speaker 3: What we're finding out is a lot of people are
Speaker 3: more civically illiterate than we probably assume. So I think
Speaker 3: it's more of a concern from those who are one
Speaker 3: check minded, right that Okay, well we're not explaining to people,
Speaker 3: you know about Prop fifty. People are unable to separate
Speaker 3: Prop fifty from Gavin Newsom, and there in lies the issue.
Speaker 1: So why let's talk, let's stop, let let's be right there,
Speaker 1: let's be right there.
Speaker 3: Why Because Gavin is the face and that's all people understand, right,
Speaker 3: Gavin is the face of Prop fifty. Gavin is the governor. Right,
Speaker 3: people don't understand it's levels to this. It's the whole
Speaker 3: state legislator that had to write this and redraw this.
Speaker 2: He andrew map the.
Speaker 3: First Okay, I'm pretty sure he didn't sit in that meeting.
Speaker 3: They probably the legislative sat in that meeting, decided what
Speaker 3: they wanted to do and then put it on his
Speaker 3: desk and said this will be rolling with. Right, But
Speaker 3: he is the face, right, all they see is two faces,
Speaker 3: Chump and Gavin, two white boys duking it out. And
Speaker 3: that's where we come here to educate and say, Gavin
Speaker 3: is one thing. Gavin is the artist and Prop fifty
Speaker 3: is the song. So you're gonna have to separate the
Speaker 3: artists from the song.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: You ain't really gotta like the artists. You ain't gotta
Speaker 3: like everything they do, how they move, but that song
Speaker 3: is a.
Speaker 2: Banger right there.
Speaker 3: Right, You don't gotta agree with everything they wear or
Speaker 3: how they speaking, how they talk.
Speaker 2: And matter of fact, if they do somebody line, you
Speaker 2: should call them out.
Speaker 3: But that doesn't mean that this one here right here
Speaker 3: ain't no banger.
Speaker 4: Right, So it's teaching people, look this this my gem
Speaker 4: might even gonna hold you, But I ain't gonna sit
Speaker 4: at dinner right with.
Speaker 3: The artists because I don't really fool with you like that, Right,
Speaker 3: That's what we have to get people to like recognize
Speaker 3: as we start to as we work towards doing better
Speaker 3: at educating people about how civics works and the bureaucracy
Speaker 3: of it all. But also at different levels, people only
Speaker 3: know executive, judicial, and legislative.
Speaker 2: They don't know who where.
Speaker 1: I also question if they even know that, because that's
Speaker 1: the point. Right, Like you are talking about like they're
Speaker 1: like timing, I'm like, I didn't choose the timing if
Speaker 1: I were if I were on his team, and I don't.
Speaker 2: Know that you would do this, but if I would
Speaker 2: have if I'm.
Speaker 1: On his team, I'm saying, Hey, if you're waffling at
Speaker 1: all about doing what's in the best interests of black
Speaker 1: folks right now, you should hold this until after the election.
Speaker 2: That's what I would do. And then that's not I
Speaker 2: don't know if.
Speaker 1: Peoples advised that and didn't listen or what. But I'm like, y'all,
Speaker 1: I'm not the timing issue here. This happened last week
Speaker 1: for Mamaria's birthday. We got reparation vetos. Do you understand?
Speaker 1: And my thing is this, like he has one role
Speaker 1: and as an executive, he has to sign into a
Speaker 1: lot or veto legislation that comes to him from the
Speaker 1: state legislature. That is important to understand. In addition to that,
Speaker 1: we have a role as the citizens. We can say
Speaker 1: that ain't cool. I don't like that. I'm gonna hold
Speaker 1: you accountable on that. But what I'm not about to
Speaker 1: do over here is lose my political power. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to be further restricted. I'm not gonna have ninety
Speaker 1: Gavins now or worse, ninety Trumps right, because you're not
Speaker 1: going to represent my best interest. So I'm gonna make
Speaker 1: sure you do. And the only way I can make
Speaker 1: sure you do is tell you what my agenda is. Now,
Speaker 1: here's the real issue on timing. I'm not your timing problem. Friends, Okay,
Speaker 1: we have not been in alignment on what a black
Speaker 1: agenda looks like. We would say and maybe you might
Speaker 1: be a little younger than me, so you may not
Speaker 1: remember this. But when when Barack Obama was sworn into office,
Speaker 1: black people are like, finally we about to get free, y'all.
Speaker 1: Now people wrote articles like, oh, we're post racial now right,
Speaker 1: racism is over. It's bad hallelujah. They said, Okay, now,
Speaker 1: I know he's black. But what we gotta do is
Speaker 1: we gotta wait till the second term. See, because in
Speaker 1: the second term, that's when black people gonna get free.
Speaker 1: Howbolition is going to be realized when Barack Obama's second
Speaker 1: term comes. And what we don't always understand is that
Speaker 1: there are windows of opportunity. If you lose a majority,
Speaker 1: the window is gone. If you lose you know, the
Speaker 1: running make the window could be gone. If you lose
Speaker 1: a particular outline an issue, the window is gone. So
Speaker 1: what we have to understand is there is never a
Speaker 1: bad time a poor time to seek justice.
Speaker 2: You gotta do that.
Speaker 1: And so what my my urging would be, since you're
Speaker 1: talking about people being typically engaged, is one for the
Speaker 1: folks who think they are political strategists and have no
Speaker 1: political background whatsoever.
Speaker 2: I'm fine with that. You could educate you too.
Speaker 1: Make sure you know that right now is not the midterms, baby,
Speaker 1: midterms are in twenty twenty six. If you want to
Speaker 1: be a political strategist and advise people, make sure you
Speaker 1: let them know that their obligation is to go to
Speaker 1: the polls. That's their role, but they also that's not
Speaker 1: the only role we have as citizens.
Speaker 2: We also have a role to hold the.
Speaker 1: Elected officials accountable, whether we voted for them or not. Right,
Speaker 1: I want to vote, But if that wasn't your person,
Speaker 1: that's not the person that you wanted. They still work
Speaker 1: for you because your taxpayer dollars pay them, and so
Speaker 1: you have every right to hold them accountable because you're
Speaker 1: accountable at the ballot box. Right.
Speaker 2: But I think also like.
Speaker 3: Sorry not to cut you off, but like also emphasizing
Speaker 3: that part of your civic engagement and civic duty is
Speaker 3: to have discourse and disagreement and to be able to
Speaker 3: call out government.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: That's the whole purpose of the First Amendment is to
Speaker 3: be like, oh, you got me messed up. I need
Speaker 3: to say something about this, And it does not benefit
Speaker 3: us not to speak up, because what happens is we
Speaker 3: play quiet, and we play passive and then we get
Speaker 3: passed over, but it's our opportunity, right.
Speaker 2: For something to turn for us.
Speaker 3: We see everybody else getting loud and proud and ignorant
Speaker 3: and whatever, and they get exactly.
Speaker 2: What they're asking for, right, So we also have to.
Speaker 3: Be mindful of if we don't say nothing, they don't
Speaker 3: know we watch it, you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 3: I always tell people, if that is your RSVP, if
Speaker 3: you don't speak up and say nothing, you're not URSVP.
Speaker 3: So why should they care about your issues? So as
Speaker 3: things go down the timeline right and we start stretching,
Speaker 3: he starts seeking other positions and other opportunities. We didn't
Speaker 3: forget how you did us back in October of twenty
Speaker 3: twenty five, right when you got aspirations for another day
Speaker 3: in the future, right, Like that needs to be done.
Speaker 3: It's also a learning lesson for Gavin and his team
Speaker 3: as well, because if you didn't pay attention to the
Speaker 3: fact that this could have caused could cause a ripple.
Speaker 2: Effect that none of us won't.
Speaker 3: You'll pay attention to it later and know better than
Speaker 3: to do some crazy stuff like that ahead of time. Right,
Speaker 3: Like you said, the tiiny issue is not on you.
Speaker 3: His team put that out there. They allowed it to
Speaker 3: be out there. He signed that paper on whatevery date
Speaker 3: he signed it. He knew somebody was gonna have to
Speaker 3: say something about it. What you shouldn't underestimate is the
Speaker 3: power of the black voice to call you out about
Speaker 3: it and people to feel some type of way you
Speaker 3: should be put on notice that what you did is.
Speaker 2: Out of line.
Speaker 3: Black people don't like it and they disagree with it,
Speaker 3: and that could be an issue for you later, even
Speaker 3: if it's not one with regards to Prop fifty right now.
Speaker 3: And I think that's I think that's it too, because
Speaker 3: what I and I even said is somebody was like,
Speaker 3: why don't he come on the show.
Speaker 2: I was like, he's welcome on the show.
Speaker 1: I want to hear his justification for this right and
Speaker 1: I want to say, like, I think Prop fifty your idea.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: One of the reasons why I think Prop fifty has
Speaker 1: been hitched to Gavin Newsom is because he was like, oh.
Speaker 2: You're doing that, I got answers. I love that.
Speaker 1: I think that he has been a formidable sparring partner
Speaker 1: with Donald Trump. Formidable. I also think he can do
Speaker 1: better by black people. Yeah, it is not either or
Speaker 1: it is both. In you can be a formidable opponent
Speaker 1: to this fascist and you can also do right by us.
Speaker 1: That is just what it is. And I don't want
Speaker 1: I'm not in the mentality or and I no longer
Speaker 1: have the interest to wait my turn. We've been waiting
Speaker 1: our turn since sixty nineteen. We've been waiting our turn
Speaker 1: for something that belongs to us because we ask her to.
Speaker 1: We'd ask to be here to begin with. And so
Speaker 1: I think the other thing that I want to do,
Speaker 1: and then I want to I want to lest some
Speaker 1: folks in. I want to just touch briefly on on
Speaker 1: the bills that he did veto, because I think it's
Speaker 1: worth people in understanding. I also kind of don't like
Speaker 1: the fact that they're called reparations bills because they're not
Speaker 1: traditional reparations packages. Folks got creative, and I want to
Speaker 1: also apply the legislators that dropped these bills. So again,
Speaker 1: this is not about voting no on PROD fifty vote
Speaker 1: yes on PROD fifty, to be very clear, because I
Speaker 1: know people get confused when too much time goes back.
Speaker 1: So Assembly Bill seven was introduced by Assembly Member Isaac
Speaker 1: Bryant past the legislature. This was for post secondary education
Speaker 1: admissions preference for descendants of slavery. Right, they have Assembly
Speaker 1: Member Tina mckinner AB fifty seven. This is the California
Speaker 1: Dream for All program for descendants of formerly enslaved people.
Speaker 1: And this is this is a measure that also passed.
Speaker 1: Tina is based in Inglewood. Here's yeah, Okay, we keep going.
Speaker 1: The next one by Tina mckinnery is civil Rights, the
Speaker 1: Civil Rights Department racially addressing racially motivated imminent domain. And
Speaker 1: then there are two more Assembly members shaw D El Harary.
Speaker 1: I think I'm saying that right, a Department of Consumer
Speaker 1: Affairs measure and licensing in particular that would give preference
Speaker 1: to applicants who are descendants of slaves and of enslaved people,
Speaker 1: I like to say. And that Assembly Bill seven sixty
Speaker 1: six by doctor lache Sharp Collins. This was with state
Speaker 1: agencies and departments that involve ensuring DEE and I included
Speaker 1: in strategic plans with state departments. Now, this is my point.
Speaker 1: This is something that these are bills that, like, we
Speaker 1: had measures like this that protected us at least three
Speaker 1: of the five on the federal government level, these things
Speaker 1: have been eliminated. So if you want to be a
Speaker 1: formidable opponent against Donald Trump, that means you have to
Speaker 1: bring back the things that he's eliminated. That means you
Speaker 1: have to protect us on the state level where we're
Speaker 1: no longer covered. That is the theme. Formidable opponent is
Speaker 1: not just sparring, it's not just trolling in Twitter. It's
Speaker 1: also making sure that your policies are the antithesis of fascism.
Speaker 1: So what he did approve was a study. And this
Speaker 1: is my other beef. Fopa all that smoke for Wes Moore,
Speaker 1: for Governor Wes Moore and Maryland for saying, I'm veat
Speaker 1: on in this study because we juste studied enough, we
Speaker 1: are clear, and I'm gonna tell y'all that's my guy.
Speaker 1: I was mad at him. I was like, you can't
Speaker 1: beat all this because the message is is bad and
Speaker 1: he was like, no, I'm ready to move to action.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, okay, well what's the action. So here's
Speaker 1: this is the exact opposite situation. Black people introduce measures
Speaker 1: to say here are the actions we would like to see.
Speaker 1: And he said, nah, I'm good, I'm gonna take a study.
Speaker 1: Bertie had a study. San Francisco did a study. People
Speaker 1: are saying that reparations is not likely in this environment.
Speaker 1: Maybe they got reparations in Ebston, they got them in Charlottesville,
Speaker 1: thinks our good brothers Wes Bellamy. We've seen it.
Speaker 2: Happen in Tulsa.
Speaker 1: It's not what we want, but it is something. So
Speaker 1: I need the people who are saying they represent us
Speaker 1: to be moving in the right direction. That makes us
Speaker 1: something like Prop fifty easy because we're seeing our political power,
Speaker 1: because we're.
Speaker 2: Feeling empowered in other areas as well.
Speaker 1: We come into both.
Speaker 2: We got to do both.
Speaker 1: So let's let's see.
Speaker 2: Who we got in here.
Speaker 1: If you all are interested in raising a point, let's
Speaker 1: say you mad, you mad at something I said, you
Speaker 1: mad at something they be said. You want to come
Speaker 1: in and be an an amen corner, We're gonna let
Speaker 1: you in. The rules of engagement are don't call nobody
Speaker 1: out their name. Not only would you get removed from
Speaker 1: the conversation, will likely be blocked from further speaking with
Speaker 1: either of us. Make sure that you have factual information,
Speaker 1: otherwise either one of us is liable to cut you off.
Speaker 2: We can't even help it. It's the attorney innur.
Speaker 1: The thing. We have to make sure that we are
Speaker 1: having respectful factual discourse. Yes, it's prop fifty all day,
Speaker 1: but we also want to hear that wherever you are,
Speaker 1: you take care of black people. I take my nails
Speaker 1: after that shut out so to get them paid.
Speaker 3: Look you see, I got my hands down. Normally talk
Speaker 3: on my hands, but yeah, you know, okay.
Speaker 1: If you want to win in, make sure you send
Speaker 1: it a request and I'm gonna put you in. There
Speaker 1: were some people who had already requested. I don't know
Speaker 1: if they are still wanting to.
Speaker 2: We do look k and eye glasses time. They said,
Speaker 2: it's the glasses for me. We look at you and.
Speaker 1: Our little friend jerious hijerious. Okay, So if anybody wants
Speaker 1: to win in what have.
Speaker 2: You, let's let me see.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 1: Let's see it's y'all they do. You know, I want
Speaker 1: us to be great. We're gonna have to answer your
Speaker 1: questions in the comments because for whatever reason, every time
Speaker 1: I try to add another person to the chat, it
Speaker 1: kicks off the entire life.
Speaker 3: It's so frustrated. But attain like they watch it. We know,
Speaker 3: not chopping to have you on the list. I'll put
Speaker 3: the big wretch.
Speaker 1: Listen, listen, but I you know, this is the thing.
Speaker 1: Somebody was in here just over and over again, and
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna acknowledge him.
Speaker 2: So he feels seen. He's just like delete the post.
Speaker 1: And that's one of the things that kept coming up
Speaker 1: to people, are like, well you said this, and I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: See what you don't understand about me is I'm a
Speaker 1: truth teller. No matter what, I'll tell the truth about
Speaker 1: me and let you know, like, hey, I messed up.
Speaker 2: For those of you who just came in, I said.
Speaker 1: One of the things that I do see as challenging
Speaker 1: is I didn't love the name of the sticker that
Speaker 1: was across our video from our social team. But it's fine.
Speaker 2: You know, it was a betrayal. I think it's not.
Speaker 1: It doesn't it's not town and Mount to sitting at
Speaker 1: home and not voting on Prop fifty. You should vote. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm Prop fifty. But they're different. They're different, and I
Speaker 1: don't think that we should conflate the two issues. We
Speaker 1: have an obligation to be accountab with the voting booth.
Speaker 1: He has an obligation not to for sake, Black people
Speaker 1: who have been the Democratic Party's base in every city,
Speaker 1: in almost every city in most states throughout the Union.
Speaker 1: And there's just an obligation.
Speaker 2: So I don't know.
Speaker 1: If people have questions, we're gonna have to answer them
Speaker 1: for me.
Speaker 3: Yea son said, I'm new to politics. What do you
Speaker 3: want me and other black men to do? Vote and
Speaker 3: then talk to each other about it. And if you
Speaker 3: don't understand it, find somebody you know, find a trusted source.
Speaker 2: You know on this source you can follow me to get.
Speaker 3: The information a way that you can understand it and
Speaker 3: ask questions. That's one issue, like, don't be afraid to
Speaker 3: ask questions, especially if you don't understand what's going on.
Speaker 2: That's gonna help you more than anything. Because you don't
Speaker 2: ask questions.
Speaker 3: If you let somebody feed you a bunch of bullcraps,
Speaker 3: at some point it's gonna start sounding good to you.
Speaker 3: So make sure you ask questions and get clarity. But
Speaker 3: vote yes on Prop fifty.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, And if you're in California and.
Speaker 3: You have a felony, you may it will be eligible
Speaker 3: to vote as long as you are not inclustrated. So
Speaker 3: just because you got a feeling, you don't mean you
Speaker 3: don't need to go and cast your votes.
Speaker 2: You should.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, exactly. I love that, somebody said, And now
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find it. They say, Oh, I'm from Oakland, California.
Speaker 1: I've voted yes and mailed my ballot already. Good, tell
Speaker 1: your mom and take your friends, make.
Speaker 2: Sure that they all go vote.
Speaker 1: Now here is this other issue. I think it's important.
Speaker 1: I think that we should be able to criticize, to challenge,
Speaker 1: to hold accountable our elected officials. We started talking about
Speaker 1: that on the last live that just surprisingly and somehow
Speaker 1: went out.
Speaker 2: But I think that we've got to.
Speaker 1: Be able to do both things, and part of that
Speaker 1: is being really informed. So at the top of the
Speaker 1: last live, we talked about what Prop fifty was. There's
Speaker 1: somebody in here asking if they can vote for Prop
Speaker 1: fifty even though you live in New Jersey. You can't
Speaker 1: if you're not a California voter. But there should be
Speaker 1: some version of it that comes out of New Jersey.
Speaker 2: You all have an election.
Speaker 1: If you're registered to vote in New Jersey, there's an
Speaker 1: election that's very very important. It's your gubernatorial election. That is,
Speaker 1: who is going to be the next governor of New Jersey.
Speaker 1: That is very very important because it will dictate this
Speaker 1: outcome and how New Jersey responds to this same thing
Speaker 1: that California has responded to, which is this nationwide decimation
Speaker 1: of black political power. What Donald Trump is doing, in
Speaker 1: lockstep with Republican legislatures, with Republican governors, is trying to
Speaker 1: prevent us from being able to exercise our franchise and
Speaker 1: if we do, having to vote for people who don't
Speaker 1: necessarily represent our best interests. So one of the things
Speaker 1: that's super scary to me a B is being a
Speaker 1: former executive director of the Congressional Black Caucus. They're talking
Speaker 1: about the caucus could be shrunk its sixty two right now,
Speaker 1: it should be sixty three, but Gray Abbott wanted to
Speaker 1: wait until November four to fill So that's your turner
Speaker 1: seat after he passed. May God rest his soul. But
Speaker 1: what they're saying is we could end up with half
Speaker 1: the size of the caucus. That we could end up
Speaker 1: with only thirty somethings members of the caucus. That is devastating.
Speaker 1: There were more than that when we were celebrating the
Speaker 1: fortieth anniversary of the CVC when I was the ED.
Speaker 1: So that's also very very very important for us to understands.
Speaker 1: California is doing its part, but this isn't just on California,
Speaker 1: this is itself.
Speaker 2: The nation has a responsibility to respond.
Speaker 3: Because we'll also lose our political capital, right and our
Speaker 3: political seniority within the CVC right Congression of Black Caucus.
Speaker 2: That's another major thing.
Speaker 3: So when you talk about people sitting on these different committees,
Speaker 3: in different committee assignments, you know, we got seniority in
Speaker 3: those places, so we have voices in them, put in
Speaker 3: those on those assignments. For a reason, these people would
Speaker 3: love to put black folks in some RinkyDink assignment. And
Speaker 3: not that none of them like they all matter, right,
Speaker 3: but they would love to make sure we don't have
Speaker 3: access to things like oversight, right, like they don't want
Speaker 3: to send in those positions judicial whatever the you know,
Speaker 3: they will do everything they can to keep us out
Speaker 3: of there. And so again this affects everybody, but it's
Speaker 3: separate again, voting.
Speaker 2: For Prop fifty, voting in favor.
Speaker 3: Of voting yes on Prop fifty is separate from criticizing
Speaker 3: a politician, right, holding them accountables, hold an accountable here
Speaker 3: that we should.
Speaker 2: Also like reframe that like if so.
Speaker 1: For example, ABA, you know this, counselor when you have employees,
Speaker 1: somebody works for you and they're not doing they're not
Speaker 1: performing as you want them to perform you want them.
Speaker 1: You're saying, hey, you didn't turn in your weekly report
Speaker 1: last week, and I need to know what you did.
Speaker 1: You get the.
Speaker 2: Information on what they did, and you're like, well what
Speaker 2: was you doing? Us?
Speaker 1: Asking people who work for us.
Speaker 2: Who we pay with our taxpayer dollars is the same.
Speaker 1: As reviewing your employee. How are they performing? Did they
Speaker 1: meet the mark, did they meet the goal, did they
Speaker 1: meet the deadline? Did they perform as you expected them
Speaker 1: to perform? You laid out what you wanted. Now this
Speaker 1: is the part where I think is on us. But
Speaker 1: you lay out ideally what you want, and you judge
Speaker 1: them based on whether or not they meet the needs,
Speaker 1: the priorities, the objectives that you.
Speaker 2: Laid out for them.
Speaker 1: When they do not do that, you can hold them accountable.
Speaker 1: You can challenge them in a meeting, you can challenge
Speaker 1: them in a public forum, or you can challenge them
Speaker 1: at the ballot box by not voting for them. Now,
Speaker 1: the other thing that's been scary to me is the
Speaker 1: number of people who thought that Gavin Newsom was up
Speaker 1: for reelection, because that's not what we were talking about. Now,
Speaker 1: to AB's earlier point, you might have been the face
Speaker 1: of Prop fifty. He might have been the first one
Speaker 1: to say I'm feeling froggy and I'm leap unless go Texas,
Speaker 1: which was great, but like, he's not running for office
Speaker 1: right now. He is telling us to find our voting
Speaker 1: power and to recognize that, to realize that, to exercise
Speaker 1: it by supporting Prop fifty. That is a different ball
Speaker 1: of wax. Completely.
Speaker 2: Absolutely mm hmm.
Speaker 3: I agree, And I think that's where we need to separate,
Speaker 3: right and we have to stop. I understand that people
Speaker 3: are on different levels when it comes to their civic education,
Speaker 3: but we don't learn if we don't speak up. And
Speaker 3: in addition to that, this is the other thing. If
Speaker 3: you have never said nothing, it would have been a
Speaker 3: whole hooping negross.
Speaker 2: Who would have been like.
Speaker 1: People nothing out flouting right.
Speaker 3: So then the one time, not saying that this is
Speaker 3: the only time, but the one time were like, okay,
Speaker 3: well this discacle, this is specifically for black people, and
Speaker 3: we're speaking up people that you trust, you know, in
Speaker 3: leadership positions.
Speaker 2: Then spoke up and said so that now you're like.
Speaker 1: But you should have said it, say tomorrow, next week, I.
Speaker 3: Can tomorrow or just catch up, because if not, we're
Speaker 3: going to continue to be left behind. And I think
Speaker 3: this also puts it on us as leaders, us as communicators,
Speaker 3: right those of us who understand what's happening to also
Speaker 3: have those conversations. And I've been screaming this since the
Speaker 3: Pop fifty stuff went down. We got to talk to
Speaker 3: people who we don't necessarily always agree with or always
Speaker 3: want to talk to, or who don't look like us.
Speaker 2: We have to get outside of our circles.
Speaker 3: My number one thing with Prop fifty, which is why
Speaker 3: I always earn my goals when I do, we'll talk
Speaker 3: about Prop fifty because I told them, folks, I want
Speaker 3: to talk to the auntie who come outside with her
Speaker 3: shower capone and her cigarette hanging out her mouth. She
Speaker 3: got a three leg dog named Toto, and all she
Speaker 3: wears flip flops right yup.
Speaker 2: Because she's a.
Speaker 3: Voter too, and this is going to affect her and
Speaker 3: she may not be in my inner circle of people,
Speaker 3: but I have to know how to communicate with her
Speaker 3: because what happens to her is going to have an
Speaker 3: effect on me. So I have to educate her and
Speaker 3: the best way I possibly can and inform her this
Speaker 3: is what's going on. But in addition to that, I
Speaker 3: also have the responsibility to give you the tool and say,
Speaker 3: but if they got you messed up, for me to
Speaker 3: say something about it, right, I cannot make you feel
Speaker 3: shackled to a vote.
Speaker 2: That's not how it's words. Stuff feels slavery.
Speaker 1: And here's the thing. So I want to go into
Speaker 1: this because a lot of this is where when you
Speaker 1: started talking about this part, because they probably missed your
Speaker 1: whole Prop fifty part, which is the problem with the
Speaker 1: sound by culture we live in. Right, we did a
Speaker 1: whole thing on why it's so important to vote for
Speaker 1: Prop fifty. What is Prop fifty Red Street? From the
Speaker 1: official Voter's Guide from the Secretary of State's website.
Speaker 2: We passed that, Yes, we passed that. Now we're in
Speaker 2: the nuance.
Speaker 1: Of what it takes for people to feel seen in
Speaker 1: the process. So for those of you in the comments,
Speaker 1: let me make something really clear to you. I've spent
Speaker 1: my life's work doing this. I just spent my entire
Speaker 1: summer and part of the spring, going to state after state,
Speaker 1: city after city, listening to and hearing from people, not
Speaker 1: talking to them about voting, but just asking them how
Speaker 1: they're doing, just asking them what they need and where
Speaker 1: we kind of meet that. I think we mess up
Speaker 1: right now. Ab is we will come at somebody and
Speaker 1: be like, oh, what is somebody you doing? I need
Speaker 1: you to go vote. We didn't ask them how they're doing.
Speaker 1: We didn't ask them about their child who's incarcerated. We
Speaker 1: didn't ask them about that student loan debt that they're carrying.
Speaker 1: We didn't ask them about the food as if they're
Speaker 1: living in We didn't ask them if they have clean
Speaker 1: drinking water. And my argument is the only way to
Speaker 1: grow the base, to grow the pull of voters is
Speaker 1: to make sure that you're taking care of people's basic
Speaker 1: needs and not bypassing them. When somebody has a disagreement
Speaker 1: or something that is worthy of a response, you don't
Speaker 1: just say, oh, you just ignorant and your timing is off.
Speaker 1: That's not what we do. I think that there's something different.
Speaker 1: There's somebody in the comments right now saying we're bad
Speaker 1: mouthing the governor. No, we do. We're asking the governor
Speaker 1: to think tactically about what he's doing. If you need voters,
Speaker 1: if you need to engage in the politics of addition
Speaker 1: and multiplication, what you don't do is something that is
Speaker 1: going to cause them to sit down right before a
Speaker 1: critical election, the critical election for the other folks in
Speaker 1: the there who are saying, well, who do you have?
Speaker 1: If it's not Gavin, then who is it? Gavin is
Speaker 1: not on the ballot, friends, So you want to be
Speaker 1: the person engaged in educating the folks who you need
Speaker 1: to get to the ballot box for Prop fifty And
Speaker 1: you don't even know it's not a mid term You
Speaker 1: don't even know that Gavin Newsom is not on the ballot.
Speaker 1: You're telling me that we're doing the same thing that
Speaker 1: we did to Kamala Harris.
Speaker 2: No ideaable.
Speaker 1: What you don't know is that's a big sister to me.
Speaker 1: I would never What you should be asking is what
Speaker 1: Gavin was doing to Kamala Harris. Now we'll hold that
Speaker 1: to November fifth. He was not right or died for Kamala.
Speaker 1: So y'all out here caping for this man and this
Speaker 1: man ain't on the ballot. Prop fifty's on the ballot.
Speaker 1: Your voting rights are on the ballot, Your voter representation
Speaker 1: are on the ballot. There's a case before the Supreme
Speaker 1: Court right now where they're probably going to gut Section
Speaker 1: two of the voting rights at we're the ones that
Speaker 1: need to support. Barack Obama did a live yesterday with
Speaker 1: and that's great. He should people should vote. Yes, I'm
Speaker 1: Prop fifty. But let me tell you something. We partially
Speaker 1: are in this mess because there are people y'all go
Speaker 1: google who who wanted independent redistricting commissions. So you should
Speaker 1: go and look who those people are, because they're the
Speaker 1: same people who probably thought that we were in a
Speaker 1: post racial era, that we had overcome, that we no
Speaker 1: longer needed affirmative action, that we probably would never get reparations.
Speaker 1: They're probably the same people. I am not willing to
Speaker 1: sacrifice black progress to make a white anybody feel good.
Speaker 1: You're going to have to do us in the best
Speaker 1: needs of my community if you want our votes. That's
Speaker 1: how that works. But on this particular measure, he's not
Speaker 1: on the ballot. You're on the ballot. Prop fifty is
Speaker 1: about our voter representation, and guess what the reason why
Speaker 1: it really doesn't matter is because Prop fifty and congressional
Speaker 1: redition doesn't impact Gavin either. It impacts whether or not
Speaker 1: someone who looks like ab has a seat to actually
Speaker 1: run in. Do you understand, Like, let's be very clear
Speaker 1: about what is on the table. So y'all want to
Speaker 1: argue whether or not he's gonna be your next president,
Speaker 1: that's up to y'all. Right, that's fine, but that election
Speaker 1: is three long years away. Donald Trump has made us
Speaker 1: feel like it's been one hundred years. We've been a
Speaker 1: hundred years of slave baby, Like whoa and you want
Speaker 1: I mean, we're not even on that yet.
Speaker 2: This is the longest twenty years on my life and
Speaker 2: we ain't even a year. And yet you go on.
Speaker 1: He started on Martin Luther king Day and I had
Speaker 1: a dream of a nightmare ever since, honey, Okay, I
Speaker 1: can't wake up. Yeah, And then that's crazy. They really
Speaker 1: can't understand. And this is so sad, Doug, I see
Speaker 1: you in the comments. We're not bashing your governor. We're
Speaker 1: asking You're asking me about timing. Ask your governor about
Speaker 1: timy why he couldn't hold his veto at least to
Speaker 1: the other side of this vote. If he was gonna
Speaker 1: veto it. He shouldn't have been beatoing these bills anyway,
Speaker 1: and then saying that, well, it's because it violates Prop.
Speaker 2: Two on nine.
Speaker 1: Prop two on nine is an anti affirmative action measure
Speaker 1: from the nineties. Whether or not you're the descendant of
Speaker 1: an insulat person does not matter in Prop two or nine.
Speaker 1: If your lawyers know how to argue the thing, right,
Speaker 1: come on, counselor m hm.
Speaker 2: So that's the point they saying it.
Speaker 1: I'm blessing, so I'm gonna go here to be I
Speaker 1: was passionate.
Speaker 2: I wasn't trying to get cash.
Speaker 1: I know it.
Speaker 2: No, it's okay to be passionate.
Speaker 3: I know someone that come and says like, how do
Speaker 3: we make it simpler to combat the GOP? Right? And
Speaker 3: I think again, part of it is, this is us
Speaker 3: simplifying it for you, right, This is us engaging in
Speaker 3: the conversation and saying, okay, well somebody missed something somewhere,
Speaker 3: so let's go back and let's talk about it.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Don't be mad at the eight students.
Speaker 3: Right when we come in trying to teach the A
Speaker 3: medio class, right, we do our best. We got to
Speaker 3: work together, right, And it's not to say that you
Speaker 3: know people are dumb, but it's to say that you're
Speaker 3: not as advancing the knowledge. And that'say, okay, we too
Speaker 3: are learning how to recommunicate right to the environment that
Speaker 3: we're in now to get y'all ready, get y'all civically
Speaker 3: engaged in in client right. So you also have to
Speaker 3: help us help you by being willing to do the
Speaker 3: work and being willing to learn. And again that goes
Speaker 3: back to asking questions too, because during the election, all
Speaker 3: I did was sit and talk to people, and I
Speaker 3: got called slow, stupid, dumb and retarded so much that
Speaker 3: I don't know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: You don't understand. You don't live in the hood no more.
Speaker 3: You elevated da dada, And I'm like, and I still
Speaker 3: have family, I still have friends, I still got issues.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna job.
Speaker 3: I just graduated law school, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So I still have the same issues. So the reality
Speaker 3: is that we doing our best to communicate, but we
Speaker 3: cannot do the work that's supposed to be done right.
Speaker 3: We cannot speak up on behalf of the black community
Speaker 3: just because some people may be confused then that mean
Speaker 3: you need to nudge your neighbor and be like, did
Speaker 3: you get it?
Speaker 1: You got the notes?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You need some help.
Speaker 2: Hey, I don't quite get it.
Speaker 3: Let me ask the question before you start attacking people.
Speaker 3: And then we can't get mad when you go attack
Speaker 3: people and then you get attacked back.
Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but don't look you come
Speaker 2: at me. We're gonna tell for top.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: This is a I think it's a learning experience for
Speaker 3: experience for all of us. But then also like we
Speaker 3: need to stop being concerned about combattling with the GOP
Speaker 3: because they full of crap and a lot of these
Speaker 3: you know, Republicans, especially in the House, are maga Republicans.
Speaker 2: They came in with Trump. They already believed that they
Speaker 2: have already been sold on that idea and those ideas.
Speaker 2: That is where they are.
Speaker 3: We now have to reach to our youth right and
Speaker 3: have these conversations and realize that we having this conversation
Speaker 3: with youth and adults. So now we all have to
Speaker 3: work together in community to communicate and teach each other
Speaker 3: about how democracy works. And part of a democratic society
Speaker 3: is to be able to say, yes, I'm passing my
Speaker 3: vote for this, but I still need to let you
Speaker 3: know you out of pocket.
Speaker 2: Right when Martin Luther King Jr. It was him and
Speaker 2: Lyndon Johnson, right, they was doing this.
Speaker 3: They did this all the time. You ain't all the
Speaker 3: way right. I don't agree with how you moving. Black
Speaker 3: people need that right to buy vote. You need to
Speaker 3: sign the vote in the right side, do X, Y
Speaker 3: and Z right. But you we're still calling out your racism.
Speaker 3: We're still calling out.
Speaker 2: Where you are wrong.
Speaker 1: Right, both things. The blind s could be a blind spot. Yeah.
Speaker 1: One of the things that I really appreciate about the
Speaker 1: conversation we're having is like, how do how could if
Speaker 1: we were advising Governor Newsom, what would we have said
Speaker 1: to not have him in the crosshairs around timing that
Speaker 1: y'all are trying to project on me. It's not my
Speaker 1: timing issue. I reported out something he did just last week.
Speaker 2: It's not last year.
Speaker 1: It was last week again on my mother's eighty second birthday. Now,
Speaker 1: what I want to say is this, we're both saying
Speaker 1: we would have advised it. Bruh. If you're gonna make
Speaker 1: your wrong decision, make that decision after the November fourth election.
Speaker 1: But really you should reconsider some of the veto notes
Speaker 1: that I'm reading through. When they veto a bill, governors
Speaker 1: respond with their rationale for why in the bill about
Speaker 1: the preferential consideration for descendants of enslaved people. He said,
Speaker 1: they can already do that. I don't need to sign this.
Speaker 1: This law is unnecessary. Just sign it because what it says, right,
Speaker 1: what it says is that, like we have something a
Speaker 1: ab I know you know this. In Congress when a
Speaker 1: bill is submitted, sometimes they have something in the almost
Speaker 1: like a preamble of the bill that's called a sense
Speaker 1: of Congress. The sense of Congress establishes intention. Treat that
Speaker 1: bill like intention, and just sign it into law, you know.
Speaker 1: Just it's one of those things where you're like, I
Speaker 1: want you to know the governor of this state is
Speaker 1: in alignment with you on values because he goes in
Speaker 1: some of these and he argues why his administration has
Speaker 1: already done some of these things, if they've already been done, say,
Speaker 1: these things.
Speaker 2: Have already been done. But here's where we can continue
Speaker 2: to make advances. Not a problem.
Speaker 1: Again, for those of you who are joining late, we
Speaker 1: are not arguing against Prop fifty, We are arguing yes
Speaker 1: for Prop fifty, that responsibility belongs to the voters in California.
Speaker 1: But we're also saying that Governor Newsom can make some
Speaker 1: different decisions to grow that base, to grow that.
Speaker 2: Pull of voters, especially when we need them the most.
Speaker 3: And I think that's just what it is, right, And
Speaker 3: I think to the point of growing the base too. Again,
Speaker 3: like we have to talk and we have to speak
Speaker 3: up for that to be a thing. Right, if we
Speaker 3: are silent and were like, no, we don't we don't
Speaker 3: want to off tokaydle Right, we don't have a base, right,
Speaker 3: we don't have a voice because.
Speaker 2: They're gonna be like, oh, y'all stuff.
Speaker 3: They're not chipping off their stuff, so we're not chipping even, right,
Speaker 3: And like you said, the blind spots if you don't
Speaker 3: have people, which is why representation matters, which is why
Speaker 3: Prop fifty is so important, which is why we are
Speaker 3: stressing get out to vote, because if you don't have
Speaker 3: people who look like you, think like you, understand your history,
Speaker 3: understand what you're going through, who have done the research,
Speaker 3: who can and will communicate with you, you will not get represented.
Speaker 3: And there will be a lot of blind spots, right,
Speaker 3: and they will be intentional right, and some may just
Speaker 3: be like, oh, you know, we dismissed it, but we
Speaker 3: have to be aware that that is an issue too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me go to this really quick, Sunshine and CALLI.
Speaker 1: I believe you were dming.
Speaker 2: Me as well.
Speaker 1: You say, no one is disagreeing with what you're saying, Angela,
Speaker 1: with all due respect, the timing is the issue. We
Speaker 1: love you and we thank you for all that you do. Sis,
Speaker 1: I love you too. I want you to take a
Speaker 1: monk moment now and just say what timing is the issue?
Speaker 1: Are you mad that my podcast talked about what Gavin
Speaker 1: Newsom had done Monday on Thursday? Are you mad that
Speaker 1: it was just posted yesterday? Are you mad at Gavin
Speaker 1: Newsom for having vetoed these measures three weeks before a
Speaker 1: critical vote, not one where he's on the ballot, but
Speaker 1: where Prop fifty is on the ballot where we need
Speaker 1: to exercise our franchise to demonstrate our power. Who's timing?
Speaker 1: Are you mad at? I think y'all are projecting that
Speaker 1: on me because all I did was report out just
Speaker 1: like any news outlet, anybody with an opinion on political matters,
Speaker 1: would report out. Here's the you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like they're talking about the timing if you said it
Speaker 1: now or three years from now. I'm not gonna wait
Speaker 1: three years for black people to get justice. I'm just
Speaker 1: not gonna do that.
Speaker 2: So I'm so sorry that you think that we have
Speaker 2: time to wait.
Speaker 1: Maybe talk to Lamonica mc ivor and Fannie Williams and
Speaker 1: Tis James. There is no time to wait. The more
Speaker 1: that they dehumanize us any And this isn't just on
Speaker 1: Gavin Newsommer of the State of California, this across the board,
Speaker 1: across the board.
Speaker 2: Yeah, these are.
Speaker 1: Issues that we face for centuries in this country. Our
Speaker 1: humanity has been questioned for centuries. So I can say, hey,
Speaker 1: I am questioning your judgment here, and I can still say,
Speaker 1: but over here you was a g Prop fifty is great,
Speaker 1: but yes I'm Prop fifty. And also, you're not doing
Speaker 1: my people like this over here, right, I'm not waiting
Speaker 1: because our lives are on the line, Like right now
Speaker 1: where you and I are talking, it's somebody that's just
Speaker 1: realizing when this weekend comes, they're not about to get
Speaker 1: their next pay check. TSA Workers have not been getting
Speaker 1: a check since the end of September. Timing is everything,
Speaker 1: and we have to move different. We have to be
Speaker 1: strategic in this moment when the federal government is saying,
Speaker 1: if you do this, we're not checking for you. There
Speaker 1: are a lot of governors, and you know, there's two
Speaker 1: mayors who are saying, finally, just won't.
Speaker 2: Get federal funds. In one of his veto knows.
Speaker 1: He literally says he's not going to be able to
Speaker 1: do this because this is for the californ and Dream
Speaker 1: for All program, where there would have been ten percent
Speaker 1: of the fund set aside for descendants and form of
Speaker 1: enslaved people. He says here that they already made historic
Speaker 1: investments to expand equitable access to home ownership, but he
Speaker 1: also says that expanding the program in this way could
Speaker 1: jeopardize access to federal mortgage markets. Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 1: This is the same federal government that has dismantled or
Speaker 1: decimated or defunded Civil Rights Division offices in every government agency.
Speaker 1: We can't do what the government will approve because the
Speaker 1: government isn't doing what's needed for the people. This is
Speaker 1: the same government that is willing to let healthcare premiums
Speaker 1: rise two, three, four, even five times. We can't do
Speaker 1: what what is gonna work for federal funding?
Speaker 2: For me?
Speaker 1: Spoke, we gotta do the right thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: If people's only issue is timing, then well then we're
Speaker 3: doing good.
Speaker 1: I can agree on the substance we just don't agree
Speaker 1: on when you raise.
Speaker 2: I hear that, all right, then we're doing it. Okay.
Speaker 2: You don't like when when it.
Speaker 3: Got done, then you could be mad at Gavin Toode
Speaker 3: for signing it right before this happened or not or.
Speaker 2: Not signing it. Yeah, sorry, not signing this, you know.
Speaker 1: Excuse me?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I mean I need to study.
Speaker 1: If you still can't get federal funding, what we're gonna do.
Speaker 3: And again, like the issues have to get get red
Speaker 3: roads right, we have to.
Speaker 2: Talk about them.
Speaker 3: But if they follow you interpret what you said, we're
Speaker 3: not doing anything that Gavenue is says.
Speaker 2: Okay, so.
Speaker 3: This is an interpretation issue and not a communication issue.
Speaker 1: Right, understand what she's saying. She didn't even answer me.
Speaker 1: I'm tiring she didn't wrot up a new argument. I
Speaker 1: responded to seeing people in California, they follow you, interpret
Speaker 1: what you said, as we're not doing anything that Gavin
Speaker 1: Newsom says yes to, including Prop fifty. They didn't say that.
Speaker 2: That's all I know about.
Speaker 1: So I think we'll just tell him to say yes
Speaker 1: for me at a B because me and AB said
Speaker 1: say yes to prophem.
Speaker 2: Yes I'm Prop fifty, right, Yes, I'm Prop fifty.
Speaker 1: And I think that they're gonna harm themselves. Gavin Newsom
Speaker 1: is not going to be in a redrawing congressional district.
Speaker 1: He's a governor. This isn't for Gavin Newsom. This is
Speaker 1: for our political power, and he's termed out.
Speaker 2: He's leaving next year.
Speaker 3: He is termed out. Right, this is his last rodeo
Speaker 3: as governor. He got a little bit of time to
Speaker 3: get his team together for whatever he decided he's gonna
Speaker 3: do next.
Speaker 2: Right, but he's turned out at this point.
Speaker 1: He is just a.
Speaker 3: Face, right, and now we have to learn how to
Speaker 3: separate the face from the proposition.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's just what it is.
Speaker 3: Prop fifty is about us as citizens, as American people, period.
Speaker 3: Prop fifty is about us, about us having representation, about
Speaker 3: us choosing our electors and not them choosing us. About
Speaker 3: people who look like us, think like us, breathe like us,
Speaker 3: talk like us, and been through what we've been through,
Speaker 3: having an opportunity to go represent us in the federal government.
Speaker 2: That is what Prop fifty is about. It.
Speaker 3: Don't gotten when when Gavin Newsom is long and damn gone,
Speaker 3: Prop fifty gonna still be what it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, well.
Speaker 1: Only until twenty thirty.
Speaker 2: That's the other thing.
Speaker 1: This is a TIARS thirty six, and so that's the next.
Speaker 2: Thing I want to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say, because come twenty thirty, they're
Speaker 3: going to be going back to our commission.
Speaker 2: Right, we end up legislators don't have nothing to do.
Speaker 3: They're going back to looking at the senses, which is
Speaker 3: when we were supposed to readraw lines anyway, But Republicans
Speaker 3: decided to cheat because they know they can't win during
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty six mid terms without cheating. You ain't
Speaker 3: got to rig the game if you good, if you
Speaker 3: know what you're doing, if you're balling the way you're
Speaker 3: supposed to be bothering, you ain't got to inflate your ball.
Speaker 2: If your skills is.
Speaker 3: On point, if the people agree with you and they
Speaker 3: rocking with what you're saying, if you have as many
Speaker 3: black people jumping over to the Republican bandwagon as you said,
Speaker 3: if you have as many black men jumping over, if
Speaker 3: you have as many Latino men and women jumping over
Speaker 3: to your bandwagon as you said, and if the only
Speaker 3: people voted for Democrats are as y'all say, illegals and criminals,
Speaker 3: then you shouldn't have nothing to worry about. You had
Speaker 3: everything in the world to worry about, which is.
Speaker 2: Why they let off the gun.
Speaker 3: And every Republican state is trying to figure out where
Speaker 3: they can grab some more seats.
Speaker 2: You don't have to cheat.
Speaker 3: If it's cool people have voted the way they wanted
Speaker 3: to vote. But a lot of these red states have
Speaker 3: been jerrymander and the reality is they are are undoing
Speaker 3: the things that civil rights leaders y'all, granny's y'all auntie,
Speaker 3: your great auntie, your great grandmother who marched.
Speaker 2: And may have gotten beat right and may have.
Speaker 3: Gotten ridiculed, may have lost their job, may have gotten threatened.
Speaker 3: The people whose houses got burned down because they wanted.
Speaker 2: The right to vote.
Speaker 3: And now all we gotta do is show up and
Speaker 3: mark yes on Prop fifty that have that opportunity and
Speaker 3: we're arguing.
Speaker 1: About not criticizing some white man.
Speaker 2: That's the issue.
Speaker 3: It's not about Timy, It's about where our minds are
Speaker 3: at right now. We have to fight for ourselves. The
Speaker 3: white man ain't gonna save us, so he might have
Speaker 3: to get cussed out from time to time, whether we
Speaker 3: agree or disagree. They ain't got no problem telling us
Speaker 3: how they feel about.
Speaker 2: Us at no point in time.
Speaker 3: Before a trial, after a trial, before an election, during
Speaker 3: the election, in the middle of an election where we
Speaker 3: ain't even thinking about an election, they do it at
Speaker 3: all times. It is us who have to get out
Speaker 3: of the mindset. We gotta be cool and shut the
Speaker 3: job around Messa.
Speaker 1: We not slaves no more.
Speaker 3: But if we continue to think that like that, they
Speaker 3: will have control over us and the way, we will
Speaker 3: never come out of this.
Speaker 1: So right about now, our focus is yes on Prop.
Speaker 3: Fifty so that we continue to have our rights and
Speaker 3: we continue to have an opportunity to fight. We cannot
Speaker 3: fight with our hands tied behind our back. They are
Speaker 3: dismantling devoting rights at They plan in our face every
Speaker 3: which way. And we see here arguing about telling the
Speaker 3: white man you out of line for some stuff that
Speaker 3: Ain't got nothing to do with him and everything to
Speaker 3: do with us.
Speaker 1: I'm done well, I agree, and with that, the doors
Speaker 1: of the church are open.
Speaker 2: We began and we'll end.
Speaker 1: This Instagram live There will also be available as a
Speaker 1: special episode of Native Lampid, a solo pod. Y'all have
Speaker 1: me working this week. I already did Tuesday, but AB
Speaker 1: came through us and assists. I'm really troubled by some
Speaker 1: of the things that I'm seeing, particularly just the division
Speaker 1: amongst our folks. I think that we can say vote yes.
Speaker 1: I'm Prop fifty again. It's a bill that authorizes our
Speaker 1: proposition that authorizes temporary changes to congressional district maps in
Speaker 1: response to texas As partisan redistricting efforts. It is a
Speaker 1: legislative constitutional amendment. It requires an action by the voters.
Speaker 1: And at the same time, we are requiring that those
Speaker 1: who we pay, who are in elected office, who pay
Speaker 1: them with our hard earned taxpayer dollars, that they also
Speaker 1: are accountable to us. But they also taking a consideration
Speaker 1: what we need for policy. And here's one more thing
Speaker 1: I'll just add, y'all, I want you to continue engaging
Speaker 1: in this conversation. Don't play politics as a zero sum game.
Speaker 1: You don't win that way. It's all about nuance, It's
Speaker 1: all about what's in the gray. And it's important for
Speaker 1: you to be educated throughout. When people are trying to
Speaker 1: educate you and you still find that their position is
Speaker 1: different than yours or there's a slight disagreement or a
Speaker 1: slight variation, you ain't got to call people out their names.
Speaker 1: You ain't got to disrespect people. You don't have to
Speaker 1: come at people and start talking about out. You know,
Speaker 1: oh you sold out? Are you getting paid to do this?
Speaker 1: Let me be clear for both of us. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: talk to talk about me and my sister here. Don't
Speaker 1: nobody pay us for our positions.
Speaker 2: Okay, we walk.
Speaker 1: Up like this. Okay, we're very clear about who we are,
Speaker 1: what we stand for, and we are going to collectively
Speaker 1: work towards deliberation of our people at all times, especially
Speaker 1: in these dangerous and unprecedented times. So yes, bo, Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm Prop fifty and that is the least you can do.
Speaker 1: I urge you to get involved. I urge you to
Speaker 1: make demands. A shout out to state to the people.
Speaker 1: We had a black papers policy project that was led
Speaker 1: by David.
Speaker 2: Jermaine Johns, Doctor David Johns got.
Speaker 1: Over one hundred policy experts to write more than thirty
Speaker 1: five black papers. You can see what an agenda will
Speaker 1: look like when we come together. That then got pulled
Speaker 1: off in six weeks. We can do hard things. It's
Speaker 1: our version of Project twenty twenty five, and it's one
Speaker 1: that advances the needle on our stuff because we have
Speaker 1: every right to make demands of this government. We built
Speaker 1: this thing. We're gonna make sure that we are seen,
Speaker 1: heard and protected by this thing, and if not, we're
Speaker 1: gonna build a new one. That's that on that Welcome home, y'all,
Speaker 1: Love you, ad love you, thank you for having me,
Speaker 1: Thank you, Sis, I'll take you care. Bye bye. Native
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